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mhz | neurogeek: ping | 05:36 |
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neurogeek | mhz, pong | 05:39 |
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drbreen | hello | 10:31 |
drbreen | i am an admin of a small internet cafe in a school - no more than 5 clients - and i wonder | 10:31 |
spacey | hi | 10:32 |
Burgundavia | drbreen: welcome | 10:32 |
drbreen | if i install edubuntu, that gives me a working ltsp environment out of the box ? | 10:32 |
Burgundavia | yes | 10:32 |
drbreen | because i have some trouble with the current solution which also includes clients that boot over ethernet but | 10:33 |
drbreen | sometimes it does not work | 10:33 |
drbreen | i use kernels on floppy disks that mount their root file system over nfs | 10:33 |
spacey | aha | 10:34 |
spacey | so currently you still run all the applications locally. With LTSP they would all run on the server | 10:34 |
drbreen | now when i tried to move the system to kubuntu breezy and installed ltsp-standalone-server i encountered numberous problems with dhcp and tftp | 10:34 |
drbreen | nay. i run nearly all the apps on the server for i set up X clients | 10:35 |
drbreen | and most people only use x apps | 10:35 |
drbreen | so the clients get a 50 mb or so base system and then aks kindly if they get XDMCP permission or something like this | 10:36 |
spacey | ah ok | 10:36 |
drbreen | the problem i now have is: | 10:37 |
drbreen | i installed ltsp on my kubuntu breezy server with: | 10:37 |
drbreen | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client && sudo emacs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 10:37 |
drbreen | now my etherboot clients sometimes do not find an dhcp server, but more often they just do very little else than printing dot after dot after | 10:37 |
drbreen | Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" after they got their ip adress | 10:37 |
drbreen | i suppossed tftp was not running, but ps aux gives me: | 10:37 |
drbreen | nobody 6922 0.0 0.1 2040 604 ? S 10:24 0:00 in.tftpd -r blksize -s /var/lib/tftpboot | 10:37 |
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drbreen | and if i cannot get this fixed fast (over the weekend, it is saturday here) i would prefer to use edubuntu | 10:38 |
spacey | you added correct etherboot section to dhcpd.conf? | 10:38 |
drbreen | wait i will post it | 10:39 |
spacey | use pastebin :) | 10:39 |
spacey | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | 10:39 |
spacey | I don't use etherboot myself. We only use PXE | 10:39 |
spacey | drbreen: do you know if PXE works? | 10:40 |
drbreen | no | 10:40 |
drbreen | but my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is | 10:40 |
drbreen | authoritative; | 10:40 |
drbreen | subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { | 10:40 |
drbreen | range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.199; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option domain-name "eternal"; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option routers 192.168.0.1; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; | 10:40 |
drbreen | filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; | 10:40 |
drbreen | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; | 10:40 |
drbreen | } | 10:40 |
spacey | <spacey> use pastebin :) | 10:41 |
spacey | <spacey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | 10:41 |
spacey | next time please:) | 10:41 |
drbreen | o sorry | 10:41 |
spacey | so | 10:41 |
drbreen | please forgive me | 10:41 |
spacey | you dhcpd.conf only provides PXE | 10:41 |
spacey | not etherboot | 10:41 |
drbreen | the problem is most clients i have here are build from junk and do not have pxe capabilities i suppose | 10:41 |
drbreen | they are really old | 10:41 |
drbreen | so what do i have to change | 10:42 |
drbreen | to provide etherboot capabilities | 10:42 |
drbreen | ? | 10:42 |
spacey | drbreen: or you should fix etherboot, needs extra images and stuff. it should be in the wiki sometimes | 10:42 |
spacey | uh | 10:42 |
spacey | s/sometimes/somewhere | 10:42 |
spacey | drbreen: if you need quick fix you can also | 10:42 |
spacey | use www.rom-o-matic.net | 10:42 |
spacey | and put it on a floppy | 10:42 |
spacey | then it will PXE boot from there | 10:43 |
drbreen | yeah i _have_ a correct rom from rom-o-matic but it does _not_ work | 10:43 |
spacey | then look in the logs | 10:43 |
drbreen | it just says "loading 192.168.0.2:/blah/blah" and makes dots | 10:43 |
spacey | drbreen: but you got PXE image from rom-o-matic | 10:43 |
spacey | because in that case | 10:44 |
spacey | you don't use etherboot | 10:44 |
drbreen | so i am dumb, are i ? | 10:44 |
spacey | so you don't have to worry about that | 10:44 |
spacey | i don't think so :) but if you insist ;) | 10:44 |
ogra | sudo apt-get install mknbi && cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ && sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.ltsp --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img | 10:45 |
drbreen | where are said logs if i have a normal ltsp installation? | 10:45 |
ogra | morning :) | 10:45 |
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ogra | use the above line to create etherboot kernels, ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp defaults to PXE ... | 10:45 |
Elias | Good Morning. At next days I install Edubuntu to use LTSP. Please advise me how to install/use LTSP on server and on clients. The clients are NEC POWERMATE VT (Celeron 788/128/66/1.65V or Celeron 733/128/66/1.7V), (RMA 128MB), floppy, NIC Compex 10/100, VGA, M/B GA-6WMM7 Rev.2. The server Pentium4, 1GB ram, 80GB hdd. | 10:45 |
spacey | <drbreen> filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; | 10:46 |
spacey | that line is also wrong path IIRC | 10:46 |
ogra | oh, yes, you need to adjust that for etherboot ... | 10:46 |
ogra | should be filename "/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" | 10:47 |
drbreen | ok i will try. | 10:47 |
drbreen | many thanks | 10:47 |
ogra | and restart the dhcp server after the change :) | 10:48 |
drbreen | ok | 10:48 |
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ogra | Elias, edubuntu does nearly everything for you ... see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 10:50 |
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spacey | bbl | 10:51 |
ogra | just put the CD into the server, hit enter, answer 5 (or so) questions, wait 1h, reboot, follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ... done | 10:51 |
ogra | the clients will netboot out of the box if the cards are PXE capable | 10:52 |
Elias | (ogra) What is PXE? | 10:57 |
ogra | a netboot protocol | 10:57 |
ogra | its the default methid to boot from the network for newer NICs | 10:58 |
ogra | *method | 10:58 |
ogra | older ones used the etherboot protocol ... | 10:58 |
Elias | ok....Thanks a lot. I study and I come back when install all of this. Thanks again.. | 10:59 |
ogra | if your NICs dont support either, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 10:59 |
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drbreen | hello again | 11:11 |
drbreen | i did as i was told | 11:11 |
drbreen | but now its just he same | 11:11 |
drbreen | the clients print lines like "loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" and slowly many dots | 11:12 |
drbreen | and do nothing | 11:12 |
drbreen | maybe i r really dumb | 11:12 |
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Pygi | JaneW: around? | 11:20 |
drbreen | isnt anyone there who could help me ? i feel like every dot takes as long as all dots before together | 11:20 |
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Pygi | spacey: fine? | 11:25 |
Pygi | around?* | 11:26 |
spacey | Pygi: hi | 11:27 |
Pygi | hi hi | 11:27 |
Pygi | me Mario | 11:27 |
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spacey | what did you want to discuss | 11:27 |
Pygi | well, I wanted to help you maintain the Cookbook and write articles ;) | 11:27 |
spacey | thats great :) | 11:27 |
spacey | i'm happy about that | 11:27 |
spacey | i figure you have read my whole mail about the cookbook status/future | 11:28 |
spacey | ? | 11:28 |
Pygi | yes, I did | 11:28 |
spacey | main focus is the basic stuff to get a new person introduced to Edubuntu and its workings | 11:28 |
Pygi | For deadline, we should go that book should be done one week and a half before the dapper release | 11:28 |
Pygi | that way, we can do a real good work on QA | 11:28 |
spacey | yeah | 11:29 |
spacey | but | 11:29 |
spacey | it slightly depends | 11:29 |
spacey | if ogra want to ship it as a package as well | 11:29 |
spacey | it probably needs to be done earlier | 11:29 |
spacey | ogra: ?:) | 11:29 |
Pygi | o joy, but it depends how much people we will have writing | 11:29 |
spacey | yup | 11:29 |
Pygi | anyone except me and you for now? | 11:29 |
drbreen | what are you going to write | 11:30 |
drbreen | i am just curious | 11:30 |
Pygi | I'll spread the word about the book, so I'll try to collect more people ^_^ | 11:30 |
drbreen | ? | 11:30 |
spacey | Pygi: i wanted to spread the word after the meeting next week | 11:30 |
Pygi | drbreen: The Edubuntu Cookbook aka How to cook the Edubuntu ;) | 11:30 |
spacey | so we have a clear vision of what needs to be written | 11:30 |
spacey | :> | 11:30 |
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Pygi | spacey: perhaps, but more people on the meeting, means more ideas ;) | 11:30 |
spacey | true | 11:30 |
spacey | Pygi: i will blog about it too | 11:31 |
spacey | so it will get on planet ubuntu | 11:31 |
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Pygi | spacey: great ;) I'll talk with some people that I think would be glad to participate, spread around the forum and such ;) | 11:31 |
spacey | Pygi: ok thats fine | 11:31 |
spacey | :) | 11:31 |
spacey | Pygi: i'm not on the forums at all | 11:31 |
Pygi | About collaboration method, I think Wiki is the best for now ... thoughts? | 11:31 |
spacey | Pygi: yes i think so too | 11:32 |
spacey | because else the barrier is to high to contribute | 11:32 |
Pygi | I registered on forums like a week ago when I needed to inform people about new N-M ;) | 11:32 |
Pygi | spacey: agreed | 11:32 |
spacey | :) | 11:32 |
spacey | we should also find some native english grammer nazi's :) | 11:33 |
Pygi | ;-) | 11:33 |
drbreen | hrhr | 11:33 |
spacey | voor the QA | 11:33 |
spacey | s/voor/for | 11:33 |
spacey | dutch sneaked in :o | 11:33 |
Pygi | lol ;) | 11:33 |
spacey | and i expect ogra to do some technical QA :P | 11:34 |
Pygi | I really think that we need to revise chapters | 11:34 |
spacey | Pygi: yup | 11:35 |
spacey | and seriously limit the scope | 11:35 |
Pygi | yes, at least for Dapper | 11:35 |
spacey | yup | 11:35 |
Yagisan | spacey: so you need non-native english speakers then ;) | 11:35 |
Pygi | then we can go bigger ;) | 11:35 |
spacey | Yagisan: :) | 11:35 |
Pygi | Yagisan: hehe ;) | 11:35 |
Pygi | They are welcome as well, as long as they can write reasonably good ;) | 11:35 |
Yagisan | my wife (non-native) is constantly correcting my grammer (I'm native) | 11:36 |
spacey | :> | 11:36 |
Pygi | spacey: so let's go with the chapters? | 11:36 |
Pygi | suggestions? ;) | 11:36 |
spacey | Pygi: let me get the stuff | 11:36 |
Pygi | kk | 11:37 |
spacey | argh | 11:38 |
spacey | some stuff is double | 11:38 |
Pygi | spacey: huh :-/ | 11:38 |
spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Introduction | 11:38 |
spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_1_-_Introduction | 11:38 |
spacey | but first one seems the most recent one | 11:38 |
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spacey | Pygi: anyway I wanted all the stuff that is about how cool it is and benifits etc. out of the cookbook for now. | 11:39 |
spacey | better place on the website imho | 11:39 |
Pygi | yes, and no time | 11:39 |
spacey | exactly | 11:40 |
Pygi | agreed | 11:40 |
spacey | same for testimonials | 11:40 |
spacey | much better for website | 11:40 |
Pygi | are this current chapters? | 11:40 |
Pygi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet | 11:40 |
spacey | what about Philosophy? | 11:40 |
spacey | any thoughts on that | 11:40 |
Pygi | vision and goals or? I don't see philosophy? | 11:41 |
spacey | its not in the worksheet | 11:42 |
spacey | oh it is | 11:42 |
Pygi | well, I am not lookin at woorksheet ;) | 11:42 |
spacey | Philosophy, Goals, Testimonials | 11:42 |
spacey | its on both | 11:42 |
Pygi | it's linking on interwiki ;) | 11:42 |
spacey | we should make a new Wiki page | 11:42 |
spacey | Pygi: it doesn't exist | 11:42 |
spacey | :) | 11:42 |
Pygi | spacey: agreed, new wiki page, a organized one ;) | 11:43 |
spacey | CookbookNG :P | 11:43 |
Pygi | bah, why not "How to cook Edubuntu" ;) | 11:43 |
spacey | ok :) | 11:43 |
spacey | sounds great | 11:43 |
spacey | go ahead | 11:44 |
drbreen | "Cooking Edubuntu for Dummies" | 11:44 |
spacey | nah | 11:44 |
spacey | Pygi: you make/i make the page? | 11:45 |
Pygi | spacey: workin' on it right now | 11:45 |
Pygi | I have to do some work as well ... I can't just sleep now when I offered you help to maintain it ;) | 11:45 |
drbreen | "Edubuntu - Cooking humanity in school" | 11:45 |
spacey | :> | 11:45 |
drbreen | err | 11:45 |
drbreen | COCKing humanity in school :) | 11:45 |
drbreen | common typo | 11:46 |
spacey | Pygi: i have to go out for 15 minutes | 11:46 |
Pygi | spacey: k, will talk to you later ^_^ | 11:46 |
spacey | yeah i'll brb :) | 11:46 |
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Pygi | spacey: read mail once ur back | 12:02 |
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drbreen | hello | 01:51 |
drbreen | i am watching "Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp ............" on my diskless client for approx. 2 hours | 01:52 |
drbreen | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargl | 01:53 |
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 15 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 5 is out, grab it while its hot http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ | ||
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cortsenc | hello | 05:43 |
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flint | ogra, ping | 05:59 |
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LaserJock | morning edubuntu people! | 06:55 |
ogra | hey LaserJock | 07:05 |
LaserJock | ogra: so in general how is edubuntu doing for dapper? Mostly bug fixing now? | 07:10 |
ogra | yep | 07:10 |
ogra | not much else i can do anymore | 07:10 |
ogra | the Cd is constantly oversized, so my main job with edubuntu is shuffling packages around to make them fit in 700MB | 07:11 |
ogra | currently the main tasks are documentation and bugfixes ... | 07:11 |
LaserJock | so are the packages that go on the CD in Main? | 07:13 |
Yagisan | yeah. ogra still won't put mplayer in edubuntu-desktop ;) | 07:14 |
ogra | yep | 07:14 |
ogra | as all packages for all CDs need to be ... | 07:14 |
ogra | cdimage.ubuntu.com only knows main ... | 07:14 |
LaserJock | yeah, that is what I thought. I knew it was that way for Ubuntu and Kubuntu | 07:15 |
LaserJock | so it would be nice to get some universe meta-packages that might help with easily installing some extra packages | 07:18 |
ogra | yep | 07:19 |
ogra | i want to go into app selection mode for dapper+1 again and drop as much kde stuff as we can ... | 07:19 |
ogra | so there should be more room for new apps | 07:19 |
LaserJock | has there been any thought about an Edubuntu-extras cd that could have the meta packages? | 07:20 |
ogra | i'm thinking about an edubuntu-language CD | 07:20 |
LaserJock | because I would think that educational institutions would like to have everything on cd | 07:20 |
ogra | the DVD is what they should take ... | 07:20 |
LaserJock | ah, yeah. so there is a DVD? | 07:20 |
ogra | and we should get the most intresting apps into main, so it ends up on the DVD | 07:21 |
ogra | sure | 07:21 |
ogra | ubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu there are DVDs | 07:21 |
LaserJock | I'm a little behind, I haven't "installed" Ubuntu since Breezy was released | 07:21 |
ogra | the DVD contains the live and the install isos as well as all of main | 07:23 |
ogra | but we cant ship edubuntu on DVD since the majority of our users are in third world countries where its relatively unlikely to find a DVD drive | 07:23 |
LaserJock | right, that was why I was thinking of an -extras cd but I guess that might defeat the purpose of trying to keep things small | 07:25 |
ogra | i guess we wont get around thinking about a better solution for dapper+1 | 07:27 |
ogra | currently i cant change it, since we'll be on shipit with dapper | 07:27 |
LaserJock | well, yeah for sure. I was just thinking about Dapper+1 ;-) | 07:27 |
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zbyte32 | even in 1st world contries DVDs would be a problem, the site I work at has very little funding afterall | 07:32 |
ogra | yep | 07:33 |
ogra | while i'd assume you have decent HW to run a ltsp server though .. | 07:34 |
zbyte32 | has anyone ever tried using edubuntu /w openmosix? | 07:34 |
zbyte32 | "decent" is relative | 07:34 |
zbyte32 | but actually im thinking about using edubuntu, havn't deployed it yet... | 07:34 |
Yagisan | no. haven't had a recent release, and I'm not going back to 2.4.x for it | 07:34 |
ogra | and ubuntu doesnt support 2.4 at all | 07:35 |
zbyte32 | hmm, ok | 07:35 |
Yagisan | if a 2.6.x tarball comes out, I may try again but all the userspace tools changed | 07:35 |
ogra | neuralis from #ltsp and #ubuntu-devel did some resarch | 07:35 |
ogra | about openssi | 07:35 |
Yagisan | uses more network bandwidth though IIRC | 07:35 |
Yagisan | I did a test of ltsp setups with it with ltsp a few years ago. | 07:36 |
Yagisan | s/ltsp setups/openmosix setups | 07:36 |
Yagisan | night all | 07:37 |
ogra | sleep tight | 07:37 |
zbyte32 | the reason why I ask is because some of the client machines are somewhat decent, while others are really lousy | 07:37 |
zbyte32 | thx though | 07:37 |
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moonbeam | hello | 08:01 |
moonbeam | Any know issues with Joliet CDs? I have several that after being mounted give an empty listing. | 08:02 |
moonbeam | They're Windows CD with children | 08:02 |
moonbeam | games | 08:02 |
moonbeam | They've worked in the past... I'm just puzzled why they're behaving like this on #ubuntu. | 08:03 |
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NickGarvey | what happens when there are multiple thin client servers on a network and you try to network boot? | 08:11 |
ogra | as long as you dont run multiple dhcp servers and configure your dhcp to point certain clients to certain servers, thats fine | 08:13 |
NickGarvey | oh alright thank you | 08:13 |
ogra | you can also have a centralized server only for booting and have multiple servers serving the user sessions ... | 08:15 |
LaserJock | ogra: so you'd like to get rid of the KDE apps? | 08:37 |
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