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mhzneurogeek: ping05:36
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neurogeekmhz, pong05:39
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drbreenhello10:31
drbreeni am an admin of a small internet cafe in a school - no more than 5 clients - and i wonder10:31
spaceyhi10:32
Burgundaviadrbreen: welcome10:32
drbreenif i install edubuntu, that gives me a working ltsp environment out of the box ?10:32
Burgundaviayes10:32
drbreenbecause i have some trouble with the current solution which also includes clients that boot over ethernet but10:33
drbreensometimes it does not work10:33
drbreeni use kernels on floppy disks that mount their root file system over nfs10:33
spaceyaha10:34
spaceyso currently you still run all the applications locally. With LTSP they would all run on the server10:34
drbreennow when i tried to move the system to kubuntu breezy and installed ltsp-standalone-server i encountered numberous problems with dhcp and tftp10:34
drbreennay. i run nearly all the apps on the server for i set up X clients10:35
drbreenand most people only use x apps10:35
drbreenso the clients get a 50 mb or so base system and then aks kindly if they get XDMCP permission or something like this10:36
spaceyah ok10:36
drbreenthe problem i now have is:10:37
drbreeni installed ltsp on my kubuntu breezy server with:10:37
drbreensudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client && sudo emacs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart10:37
drbreennow my etherboot clients sometimes do not find an dhcp server, but more often they just do very little else than printing dot after dot after10:37
drbreenLoading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" after they got their ip adress10:37
drbreeni suppossed tftp was not running, but ps aux gives me:10:37
drbreennobody  6922 0.0 0.1 2040 604 ?    S  10:24 0:00 in.tftpd -r blksize -s /var/lib/tftpboot10:37
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drbreenand if i cannot get this fixed fast (over the weekend, it is saturday here) i would prefer to use edubuntu10:38
spaceyyou added correct etherboot section to dhcpd.conf?10:38
drbreenwait i will post it10:39
spaceyuse pastebin :)10:39
spaceyhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org10:39
spaceyI don't use etherboot myself. We only use PXE10:39
spaceydrbreen: do you know if PXE works?10:40
drbreenno10:40
drbreenbut my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is10:40
drbreenauthoritative;10:40
drbreensubnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {10:40
drbreen  range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.199;10:40
drbreen  option domain-name "eternal";10:40
drbreen  option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;10:40
drbreen  option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;10:40
drbreen  option routers 192.168.0.1;10:40
drbreen  option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;10:40
drbreen  filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";10:40
drbreen  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";10:40
drbreen}10:40
spacey<spacey> use pastebin :)10:41
spacey<spacey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org10:41
spaceynext time please:)10:41
drbreeno sorry10:41
spaceyso10:41
drbreenplease forgive me10:41
spaceyyou dhcpd.conf only provides PXE10:41
spaceynot etherboot10:41
drbreenthe problem is most clients i have here are build from junk and do not have pxe capabilities i suppose10:41
drbreenthey are really old10:41
drbreenso what do i have to change 10:42
drbreento provide etherboot capabilities10:42
drbreen?10:42
spaceydrbreen: or you should fix etherboot, needs extra images and stuff. it should be in the wiki sometimes10:42
spaceyuh10:42
spaceys/sometimes/somewhere10:42
spaceydrbreen: if you need quick fix you can also10:42
spaceyuse www.rom-o-matic.net10:42
spaceyand put it on a floppy10:42
spaceythen it will PXE boot from there10:43
drbreenyeah i _have_ a correct rom from  rom-o-matic but it does _not_ work10:43
spaceythen look in the logs10:43
drbreenit just says "loading 192.168.0.2:/blah/blah" and makes dots10:43
spaceydrbreen: but you got PXE image from rom-o-matic10:43
spaceybecause in that case10:44
spaceyyou don't use etherboot10:44
drbreenso i am dumb, are i ?10:44
spaceyso you don't have to worry about that10:44
spaceyi don't think so :) but if you insist ;)10:44
ogra sudo apt-get install mknbi && cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ && sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.ltsp --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img10:45
drbreenwhere are said logs if i have a normal ltsp installation?10:45
ogramorning :)10:45
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ogrause the above line to create etherboot kernels, ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp defaults to PXE ...10:45
EliasGood Morning. At next days I install Edubuntu to use LTSP. Please advise me how to install/use LTSP on server and on clients. The clients are NEC POWERMATE VT (Celeron 788/128/66/1.65V or Celeron 733/128/66/1.7V), (RMA 128MB), floppy, NIC Compex 10/100, VGA, M/B GA-6WMM7 Rev.2. The server Pentium4, 1GB ram, 80GB hdd.10:45
spacey<drbreen>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";10:46
spaceythat line is also wrong path IIRC10:46
ograoh, yes, you need to adjust that for etherboot ...10:46
ograshould be  filename "/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp"10:47
drbreenok i will try.10:47
drbreenmany thanks10:47
ograand restart the dhcp server after the change :)10:48
drbreenok10:48
=== ogra .oO(wonders if he should look into that for next release, should be possible to make dhcpd pick up changes on the fly)
ograElias, edubuntu does nearly everything for you ... see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes10:50
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spaceybbl10:51
ograjust put the CD into the server, hit enter, answer 5 (or so) questions, wait 1h, reboot, follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ... done10:51
ograthe clients will netboot out of the box if the cards are PXE capable10:52
Elias(ogra) What is PXE?10:57
ograa netboot protocol10:57
ograits the default methid to boot from the network for newer NICs10:58
ogra*method10:58
ograolder ones used the etherboot protocol ...10:58
Eliasok....Thanks a lot. I study and I come back when install all of this. Thanks again..10:59
ograif your NICs dont support either, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe10:59
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drbreenhello again11:11
drbreeni did as i was told11:11
drbreenbut now its just he same11:11
drbreenthe clients print lines like "loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" and slowly many dots11:12
drbreenand do nothing11:12
drbreenmaybe i r really dumb11:12
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PygiJaneW: around?11:20
drbreenisnt anyone there who could help me ? i feel like every dot takes as long as all dots before together11:20
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Pygispacey: fine?11:25
Pygiaround?*11:26
spaceyPygi: hi11:27
Pygihi hi11:27
Pygime Mario11:27
=== spacey herman :P
spaceywhat did you want to discuss11:27
Pygiwell, I wanted to help you maintain the Cookbook and write articles ;)11:27
spaceythats great :)11:27
spaceyi'm happy about that11:27
spaceyi figure you have read my whole mail about the cookbook status/future11:28
spacey?11:28
Pygiyes, I did11:28
spaceymain focus is the basic stuff to get a new person introduced to Edubuntu and its workings11:28
PygiFor deadline, we should go that book should be done one week and a half before the dapper release11:28
Pygithat way, we can do a real good work on QA11:28
spaceyyeah11:29
spaceybut11:29
spaceyit slightly depends11:29
spaceyif ogra want to ship it as a package as well11:29
spaceyit probably needs to be done earlier11:29
spaceyogra: ?:)11:29
Pygio joy, but it depends how much people we will have writing11:29
spaceyyup11:29
Pygianyone except me and you for now?11:29
drbreenwhat are you going to write11:30
drbreeni am just curious11:30
PygiI'll spread the word about the book, so I'll try to collect more people ^_^11:30
drbreen?11:30
spaceyPygi: i wanted to spread the word after the meeting next week11:30
Pygidrbreen: The Edubuntu Cookbook aka How to cook the Edubuntu ;)11:30
spaceyso we have a clear vision of what needs to be written11:30
spacey:>11:30
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Pygispacey: perhaps, but more people on the meeting, means more ideas ;)11:30
spaceytrue11:30
spaceyPygi: i will blog about it too11:31
spaceyso it will get on planet ubuntu11:31
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Pygispacey: great ;) I'll talk with some people that I think would be glad to participate, spread around the forum and such ;)11:31
spaceyPygi: ok thats fine 11:31
spacey:)11:31
spaceyPygi: i'm not on the forums at all11:31
PygiAbout collaboration method, I think Wiki is the best for now ... thoughts?11:31
spaceyPygi: yes i think so too11:32
spaceybecause else the barrier is to high to contribute11:32
PygiI registered on forums like a week ago when I needed to inform people about new N-M ;)11:32
Pygispacey: agreed11:32
spacey:)11:32
spaceywe should also find some native english grammer nazi's :)11:33
Pygi;-)11:33
drbreenhrhr11:33
spaceyvoor the QA11:33
spaceys/voor/for11:33
spaceydutch sneaked in :o11:33
Pygilol ;)11:33
spaceyand i expect ogra to do some technical QA :P11:34
PygiI really think that we need to revise chapters11:34
spaceyPygi: yup11:35
spaceyand seriously limit the scope11:35
Pygiyes, at least for Dapper11:35
spaceyyup11:35
Yagisanspacey: so you need non-native english speakers then ;)11:35
Pygithen we can go bigger ;)11:35
spaceyYagisan: :)11:35
PygiYagisan: hehe ;)11:35
PygiThey are welcome as well, as long as they can write reasonably good ;)11:35
Yagisanmy wife (non-native) is constantly correcting my grammer (I'm native)11:36
spacey:>11:36
Pygispacey: so let's go with the chapters?11:36
Pygisuggestions? ;)11:36
spaceyPygi: let me get the stuff11:36
Pygikk11:37
spaceyargh11:38
spaceysome stuff is double11:38
Pygispacey: huh :-/11:38
spaceyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Introduction11:38
spaceyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_1_-_Introduction11:38
spaceybut first one seems the most recent one11:38
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spaceyPygi: anyway I wanted all the stuff that is about how cool it is and benifits etc. out of the cookbook for now.11:39
spaceybetter place on the website imho11:39
Pygiyes, and no time11:39
spaceyexactly11:40
Pygiagreed11:40
spaceysame for testimonials11:40
spaceymuch better for website11:40
Pygiare this current chapters?11:40
Pygihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet11:40
spaceywhat about Philosophy?11:40
spaceyany thoughts on that11:40
Pygivision and goals or? I don't see philosophy?11:41
spaceyits not in the worksheet11:42
spaceyoh it is11:42
Pygiwell, I am not lookin at woorksheet ;)11:42
spaceyPhilosophy, Goals, Testimonials11:42
spaceyits on both11:42
Pygiit's linking on interwiki ;)11:42
spaceywe should make a new Wiki page11:42
spaceyPygi: it doesn't exist11:42
spacey:)11:42
Pygispacey: agreed, new wiki page, a organized one ;)11:43
spaceyCookbookNG :P11:43
Pygibah, why not "How to cook Edubuntu" ;)11:43
spaceyok :)11:43
spaceysounds great11:43
spaceygo ahead11:44
drbreen"Cooking Edubuntu for Dummies"11:44
spaceynah11:44
spaceyPygi: you make/i make the page?11:45
Pygispacey: workin' on it right now11:45
PygiI have to do some work as well ... I can't just sleep now when I offered you help to maintain it ;)11:45
drbreen"Edubuntu - Cooking humanity in school"11:45
spacey:>11:45
drbreenerr11:45
drbreenCOCKing humanity in school :)11:45
drbreencommon typo11:46
spaceyPygi: i have to go out for 15 minutes11:46
Pygispacey: k, will talk to you later ^_^11:46
spaceyyeah i'll brb :)11:46
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Pygispacey: read mail once ur back12:02
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drbreenhello01:51
drbreeni am watching "Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp ............" on my diskless client for approx. 2 hours01:52
drbreenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargl01:53
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 15 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 5 is out, grab it while its hot http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
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cortsenchello05:43
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flintogra, ping05:59
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LaserJockmorning edubuntu people!06:55
ograhey LaserJock 07:05
LaserJockogra: so in general how is edubuntu doing for dapper? Mostly bug fixing now?07:10
ograyep07:10
ogranot much else i can do anymore07:10
ograthe Cd is constantly oversized, so my main job with edubuntu is shuffling packages around to make them fit in 700MB07:11
ogracurrently the main tasks are documentation and bugfixes ...07:11
LaserJockso are the packages that go on the CD in Main?07:13
Yagisanyeah. ogra still won't put mplayer in edubuntu-desktop ;)07:14
ograyep07:14
ograas all packages for all CDs need to be ...07:14
ogracdimage.ubuntu.com only knows main ...07:14
LaserJockyeah, that is what I thought. I knew it was that way for Ubuntu and Kubuntu07:15
LaserJockso it would be nice to get some universe meta-packages that might help with easily installing some extra packages07:18
ograyep07:19
ograi want to go into app selection mode for dapper+1 again and drop as much kde stuff as we can ... 07:19
ograso there should be more room for new apps07:19
LaserJockhas there been any thought about an Edubuntu-extras cd that could have the meta packages?07:20
ograi'm thinking about an edubuntu-language CD07:20
LaserJockbecause I would think that educational institutions would like to have everything on cd07:20
ograthe DVD is what they should take ...07:20
LaserJockah, yeah. so there is a DVD?07:20
ograand we should get the most intresting apps into main, so it ends up on the DVD07:21
ograsure07:21
ograubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu there are DVDs07:21
LaserJockI'm a little behind, I haven't "installed" Ubuntu since Breezy was released07:21
ograthe DVD contains the live and the install isos as well as all of main07:23
ograbut we cant ship edubuntu on DVD since the majority of our users are in third world countries where its relatively unlikely to find a DVD drive07:23
LaserJockright, that was why I was thinking of an -extras cd but I guess that might defeat the purpose of trying to keep things small07:25
ograi guess we wont get around thinking about a better solution for dapper+1 07:27
ogracurrently i cant change it, since we'll be on shipit with dapper07:27
LaserJockwell, yeah for sure. I was just thinking about Dapper+1 ;-)07:27
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zbyte32even in 1st world contries DVDs would be a problem, the site I work at has very little funding afterall07:32
ograyep07:33
ograwhile i'd assume you have decent HW to run a ltsp server though ..07:34
zbyte32has anyone ever tried using edubuntu /w openmosix?07:34
zbyte32"decent" is relative07:34
zbyte32but actually im thinking about using edubuntu, havn't deployed it yet...07:34
Yagisanno. haven't had a recent release, and I'm not going back to 2.4.x for it07:34
ograand ubuntu doesnt support 2.4 at all07:35
zbyte32hmm, ok07:35
Yagisanif a 2.6.x tarball comes out, I may try again but all the userspace tools changed07:35
ograneuralis from #ltsp and #ubuntu-devel did some resarch07:35
ograabout openssi07:35
Yagisanuses more network bandwidth though IIRC07:35
YagisanI did a test of ltsp setups with it with ltsp a few years ago.07:36
Yagisans/ltsp setups/openmosix setups07:36
Yagisannight all07:37
ograsleep tight07:37
zbyte32the reason why I ask is because some of the client machines are somewhat decent, while others are really lousy07:37
zbyte32thx though07:37
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moonbeamhello08:01
moonbeamAny know issues with Joliet CDs?  I have several that after being mounted give an empty listing.08:02
moonbeamThey're Windows CD with children08:02
moonbeamgames08:02
moonbeamThey've worked in the past... I'm just puzzled why they're behaving like this on #ubuntu.08:03
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NickGarveywhat happens when there are multiple thin client servers on a network and you try to network boot?08:11
ograas long as you dont run multiple dhcp servers and configure your dhcp to point certain clients to certain servers, thats fine08:13
NickGarveyoh alright thank you08:13
ograyou can also have a centralized server only for booting and have multiple servers serving the user sessions ...08:15
LaserJockogra: so you'd like to get rid of the KDE apps?08:37
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