[05:36] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[05:39] <neurogeek> mhz, pong
[10:31] <drbreen> hello
[10:31] <drbreen> i am an admin of a small internet cafe in a school - no more than 5 clients - and i wonder
[10:32] <spacey> hi
[10:32] <Burgundavia> drbreen: welcome
[10:32] <drbreen> if i install edubuntu, that gives me a working ltsp environment out of the box ?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:33] <drbreen> because i have some trouble with the current solution which also includes clients that boot over ethernet but
[10:33] <drbreen> sometimes it does not work
[10:33] <drbreen> i use kernels on floppy disks that mount their root file system over nfs
[10:34] <spacey> aha
[10:34] <spacey> so currently you still run all the applications locally. With LTSP they would all run on the server
[10:34] <drbreen> now when i tried to move the system to kubuntu breezy and installed ltsp-standalone-server i encountered numberous problems with dhcp and tftp
[10:35] <drbreen> nay. i run nearly all the apps on the server for i set up X clients
[10:35] <drbreen> and most people only use x apps
[10:36] <drbreen> so the clients get a 50 mb or so base system and then aks kindly if they get XDMCP permission or something like this
[10:36] <spacey> ah ok
[10:37] <drbreen> the problem i now have is:
[10:37] <drbreen> i installed ltsp on my kubuntu breezy server with:
[10:37] <drbreen> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client && sudo emacs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[10:37] <drbreen> now my etherboot clients sometimes do not find an dhcp server, but more often they just do very little else than printing dot after dot after
[10:37] <drbreen> Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" after they got their ip adress
[10:37] <drbreen> i suppossed tftp was not running, but ps aux gives me:
[10:37] <drbreen> nobody  6922 0.0 0.1 2040 604 ?    S  10:24 0:00 in.tftpd -r blksize -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[10:38] <drbreen> and if i cannot get this fixed fast (over the weekend, it is saturday here) i would prefer to use edubuntu
[10:38] <spacey> you added correct etherboot section to dhcpd.conf?
[10:39] <drbreen> wait i will post it
[10:39] <spacey> use pastebin :)
[10:39] <spacey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:39] <spacey> I don't use etherboot myself. We only use PXE
[10:40] <spacey> drbreen: do you know if PXE works?
[10:40] <drbreen> no
[10:40] <drbreen> but my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is
[10:40] <drbreen> authoritative;
[10:40] <drbreen> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[10:40] <drbreen>   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.199;
[10:40] <drbreen>   option domain-name "eternal";
[10:40] <drbreen>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
[10:40] <drbreen>   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
[10:40] <drbreen>   option routers 192.168.0.1;
[10:40] <drbreen>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[10:40] <drbreen>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[10:40] <drbreen>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[10:40] <drbreen> }
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[10:41] <spacey> next time please:)
[10:41] <drbreen> o sorry
[10:41] <spacey> so
[10:41] <drbreen> please forgive me
[10:41] <spacey> you dhcpd.conf only provides PXE
[10:41] <spacey> not etherboot
[10:41] <drbreen> the problem is most clients i have here are build from junk and do not have pxe capabilities i suppose
[10:41] <drbreen> they are really old
[10:42] <drbreen> so what do i have to change 
[10:42] <drbreen> to provide etherboot capabilities
[10:42] <drbreen> ?
[10:42] <spacey> drbreen: or you should fix etherboot, needs extra images and stuff. it should be in the wiki sometimes
[10:42] <spacey> uh
[10:42] <spacey> s/sometimes/somewhere
[10:42] <spacey> drbreen: if you need quick fix you can also
[10:42] <spacey> use www.rom-o-matic.net
[10:42] <spacey> and put it on a floppy
[10:43] <spacey> then it will PXE boot from there
[10:43] <drbreen> yeah i _have_ a correct rom from  rom-o-matic but it does _not_ work
[10:43] <spacey> then look in the logs
[10:43] <drbreen> it just says "loading 192.168.0.2:/blah/blah" and makes dots
[10:43] <spacey> drbreen: but you got PXE image from rom-o-matic
[10:44] <spacey> because in that case
[10:44] <spacey> you don't use etherboot
[10:44] <drbreen> so i am dumb, are i ?
[10:44] <spacey> so you don't have to worry about that
[10:44] <spacey> i don't think so :) but if you insist ;)
[10:45] <ogra>  sudo apt-get install mknbi && cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ && sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.ltsp --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img
[10:45] <drbreen> where are said logs if i have a normal ltsp installation?
[10:45] <ogra> morning :)
[10:45] <ogra> use the above line to create etherboot kernels, ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp defaults to PXE ...
[10:45] <Elias> Good Morning. At next days I install Edubuntu to use LTSP. Please advise me how to install/use LTSP on server and on clients. The clients are NEC POWERMATE VT (Celeron 788/128/66/1.65V or Celeron 733/128/66/1.7V), (RMA 128MB), floppy, NIC Compex 10/100, VGA, M/B GA-6WMM7 Rev.2. The server Pentium4, 1GB ram, 80GB hdd.
   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[10:46] <spacey> that line is also wrong path IIRC
[10:46] <ogra> oh, yes, you need to adjust that for etherboot ...
[10:47] <ogra> should be  filename "/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp"
[10:47] <drbreen> ok i will try.
[10:47] <drbreen> many thanks
[10:48] <ogra> and restart the dhcp server after the change :)
[10:48] <drbreen> ok
[10:50] <ogra> Elias, edubuntu does nearly everything for you ... see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[10:51] <spacey> bbl
[10:51] <ogra> just put the CD into the server, hit enter, answer 5 (or so) questions, wait 1h, reboot, follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ... done
[10:52] <ogra> the clients will netboot out of the box if the cards are PXE capable
[10:57] <Elias> (ogra) What is PXE?
[10:57] <ogra> a netboot protocol
[10:58] <ogra> its the default methid to boot from the network for newer NICs
[10:58] <ogra> *method
[10:58] <ogra> older ones used the etherboot protocol ...
[10:59] <Elias> ok....Thanks a lot. I study and I come back when install all of this. Thanks again..
[10:59] <ogra> if your NICs dont support either, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[11:11] <drbreen> hello again
[11:11] <drbreen> i did as i was told
[11:11] <drbreen> but now its just he same
[11:12] <drbreen> the clients print lines like "loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" and slowly many dots
[11:12] <drbreen> and do nothing
[11:12] <drbreen> maybe i r really dumb
[11:20] <Pygi> JaneW: around?
[11:20] <drbreen> isnt anyone there who could help me ? i feel like every dot takes as long as all dots before together
[11:25] <Pygi> spacey: fine?
[11:26] <Pygi> around?*
[11:27] <spacey> Pygi: hi
[11:27] <Pygi> hi hi
[11:27] <Pygi> me Mario
[11:27] <spacey> what did you want to discuss
[11:27] <Pygi> well, I wanted to help you maintain the Cookbook and write articles ;)
[11:27] <spacey> thats great :)
[11:27] <spacey> i'm happy about that
[11:28] <spacey> i figure you have read my whole mail about the cookbook status/future
[11:28] <spacey> ?
[11:28] <Pygi> yes, I did
[11:28] <spacey> main focus is the basic stuff to get a new person introduced to Edubuntu and its workings
[11:28] <Pygi> For deadline, we should go that book should be done one week and a half before the dapper release
[11:28] <Pygi> that way, we can do a real good work on QA
[11:29] <spacey> yeah
[11:29] <spacey> but
[11:29] <spacey> it slightly depends
[11:29] <spacey> if ogra want to ship it as a package as well
[11:29] <spacey> it probably needs to be done earlier
[11:29] <spacey> ogra: ?:)
[11:29] <Pygi> o joy, but it depends how much people we will have writing
[11:29] <spacey> yup
[11:29] <Pygi> anyone except me and you for now?
[11:30] <drbreen> what are you going to write
[11:30] <drbreen> i am just curious
[11:30] <Pygi> I'll spread the word about the book, so I'll try to collect more people ^_^
[11:30] <drbreen> ?
[11:30] <spacey> Pygi: i wanted to spread the word after the meeting next week
[11:30] <Pygi> drbreen: The Edubuntu Cookbook aka How to cook the Edubuntu ;)
[11:30] <spacey> so we have a clear vision of what needs to be written
[11:30] <spacey> :>
[11:30] <Pygi> spacey: perhaps, but more people on the meeting, means more ideas ;)
[11:30] <spacey> true
[11:31] <spacey> Pygi: i will blog about it too
[11:31] <spacey> so it will get on planet ubuntu
[11:31] <Pygi> spacey: great ;) I'll talk with some people that I think would be glad to participate, spread around the forum and such ;)
[11:31] <spacey> Pygi: ok thats fine 
[11:31] <spacey> :)
[11:31] <spacey> Pygi: i'm not on the forums at all
[11:31] <Pygi> About collaboration method, I think Wiki is the best for now ... thoughts?
[11:32] <spacey> Pygi: yes i think so too
[11:32] <spacey> because else the barrier is to high to contribute
[11:32] <Pygi> I registered on forums like a week ago when I needed to inform people about new N-M ;)
[11:32] <Pygi> spacey: agreed
[11:32] <spacey> :)
[11:33] <spacey> we should also find some native english grammer nazi's :)
[11:33] <Pygi> ;-)
[11:33] <drbreen> hrhr
[11:33] <spacey> voor the QA
[11:33] <spacey> s/voor/for
[11:33] <spacey> dutch sneaked in :o
[11:33] <Pygi> lol ;)
[11:34] <spacey> and i expect ogra to do some technical QA :P
[11:34] <Pygi> I really think that we need to revise chapters
[11:35] <spacey> Pygi: yup
[11:35] <spacey> and seriously limit the scope
[11:35] <Pygi> yes, at least for Dapper
[11:35] <spacey> yup
[11:35] <Yagisan> spacey: so you need non-native english speakers then ;)
[11:35] <Pygi> then we can go bigger ;)
[11:35] <spacey> Yagisan: :)
[11:35] <Pygi> Yagisan: hehe ;)
[11:35] <Pygi> They are welcome as well, as long as they can write reasonably good ;)
[11:36] <Yagisan> my wife (non-native) is constantly correcting my grammer (I'm native)
[11:36] <spacey> :>
[11:36] <Pygi> spacey: so let's go with the chapters?
[11:36] <Pygi> suggestions? ;)
[11:36] <spacey> Pygi: let me get the stuff
[11:37] <Pygi> kk
[11:38] <spacey> argh
[11:38] <spacey> some stuff is double
[11:38] <Pygi> spacey: huh :-/
[11:38] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Introduction
[11:38] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_1_-_Introduction
[11:38] <spacey> but first one seems the most recent one
[11:39] <spacey> Pygi: anyway I wanted all the stuff that is about how cool it is and benifits etc. out of the cookbook for now.
[11:39] <spacey> better place on the website imho
[11:39] <Pygi> yes, and no time
[11:40] <spacey> exactly
[11:40] <Pygi> agreed
[11:40] <spacey> same for testimonials
[11:40] <spacey> much better for website
[11:40] <Pygi> are this current chapters?
[11:40] <Pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet
[11:40] <spacey> what about Philosophy?
[11:40] <spacey> any thoughts on that
[11:41] <Pygi> vision and goals or? I don't see philosophy?
[11:42] <spacey> its not in the worksheet
[11:42] <spacey> oh it is
[11:42] <Pygi> well, I am not lookin at woorksheet ;)
[11:42] <spacey> Philosophy, Goals, Testimonials
[11:42] <spacey> its on both
[11:42] <Pygi> it's linking on interwiki ;)
[11:42] <spacey> we should make a new Wiki page
[11:42] <spacey> Pygi: it doesn't exist
[11:42] <spacey> :)
[11:43] <Pygi> spacey: agreed, new wiki page, a organized one ;)
[11:43] <spacey> CookbookNG :P
[11:43] <Pygi> bah, why not "How to cook Edubuntu" ;)
[11:43] <spacey> ok :)
[11:43] <spacey> sounds great
[11:44] <spacey> go ahead
[11:44] <drbreen> "Cooking Edubuntu for Dummies"
[11:44] <spacey> nah
[11:45] <spacey> Pygi: you make/i make the page?
[11:45] <Pygi> spacey: workin' on it right now
[11:45] <Pygi> I have to do some work as well ... I can't just sleep now when I offered you help to maintain it ;)
[11:45] <drbreen> "Edubuntu - Cooking humanity in school"
[11:45] <spacey> :>
[11:45] <drbreen> err
[11:45] <drbreen> COCKing humanity in school :)
[11:46] <drbreen> common typo
[11:46] <spacey> Pygi: i have to go out for 15 minutes
[11:46] <Pygi> spacey: k, will talk to you later ^_^
[11:46] <spacey> yeah i'll brb :)
[12:02] <Pygi> spacey: read mail once ur back
[01:51] <drbreen> hello
[01:52] <drbreen> i am watching "Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp ............" on my diskless client for approx. 2 hours
[01:53] <drbreen> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargl
[05:43] <cortsenc> hello
[05:59] <flint> ogra, ping
[06:55] <LaserJock> morning edubuntu people!
[07:05] <ogra> hey LaserJock 
[07:10] <LaserJock> ogra: so in general how is edubuntu doing for dapper? Mostly bug fixing now?
[07:10] <ogra> yep
[07:10] <ogra> not much else i can do anymore
[07:11] <ogra> the Cd is constantly oversized, so my main job with edubuntu is shuffling packages around to make them fit in 700MB
[07:11] <ogra> currently the main tasks are documentation and bugfixes ...
[07:13] <LaserJock> so are the packages that go on the CD in Main?
[07:14] <Yagisan> yeah. ogra still won't put mplayer in edubuntu-desktop ;)
[07:14] <ogra> yep
[07:14] <ogra> as all packages for all CDs need to be ...
[07:14] <ogra> cdimage.ubuntu.com only knows main ...
[07:15] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I thought. I knew it was that way for Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[07:18] <LaserJock> so it would be nice to get some universe meta-packages that might help with easily installing some extra packages
[07:19] <ogra> yep
[07:19] <ogra> i want to go into app selection mode for dapper+1 again and drop as much kde stuff as we can ... 
[07:19] <ogra> so there should be more room for new apps
[07:20] <LaserJock> has there been any thought about an Edubuntu-extras cd that could have the meta packages?
[07:20] <ogra> i'm thinking about an edubuntu-language CD
[07:20] <LaserJock> because I would think that educational institutions would like to have everything on cd
[07:20] <ogra> the DVD is what they should take ...
[07:20] <LaserJock> ah, yeah. so there is a DVD?
[07:21] <ogra> and we should get the most intresting apps into main, so it ends up on the DVD
[07:21] <ogra> sure
[07:21] <ogra> ubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu there are DVDs
[07:21] <LaserJock> I'm a little behind, I haven't "installed" Ubuntu since Breezy was released
[07:23] <ogra> the DVD contains the live and the install isos as well as all of main
[07:23] <ogra> but we cant ship edubuntu on DVD since the majority of our users are in third world countries where its relatively unlikely to find a DVD drive
[07:25] <LaserJock> right, that was why I was thinking of an -extras cd but I guess that might defeat the purpose of trying to keep things small
[07:27] <ogra> i guess we wont get around thinking about a better solution for dapper+1 
[07:27] <ogra> currently i cant change it, since we'll be on shipit with dapper
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, yeah for sure. I was just thinking about Dapper+1 ;-)
[07:32] <zbyte32> even in 1st world contries DVDs would be a problem, the site I work at has very little funding afterall
[07:33] <ogra> yep
[07:34] <ogra> while i'd assume you have decent HW to run a ltsp server though ..
[07:34] <zbyte32> has anyone ever tried using edubuntu /w openmosix?
[07:34] <zbyte32> "decent" is relative
[07:34] <zbyte32> but actually im thinking about using edubuntu, havn't deployed it yet...
[07:34] <Yagisan> no. haven't had a recent release, and I'm not going back to 2.4.x for it
[07:35] <ogra> and ubuntu doesnt support 2.4 at all
[07:35] <zbyte32> hmm, ok
[07:35] <Yagisan> if a 2.6.x tarball comes out, I may try again but all the userspace tools changed
[07:35] <ogra> neuralis from #ltsp and #ubuntu-devel did some resarch
[07:35] <ogra> about openssi
[07:35] <Yagisan> uses more network bandwidth though IIRC
[07:36] <Yagisan> I did a test of ltsp setups with it with ltsp a few years ago.
[07:36] <Yagisan> s/ltsp setups/openmosix setups
[07:37] <Yagisan> night all
[07:37] <ogra> sleep tight
[07:37] <zbyte32> the reason why I ask is because some of the client machines are somewhat decent, while others are really lousy
[07:37] <zbyte32> thx though
[08:01] <moonbeam> hello
[08:02] <moonbeam> Any know issues with Joliet CDs?  I have several that after being mounted give an empty listing.
[08:02] <moonbeam> They're Windows CD with children
[08:02] <moonbeam> games
[08:03] <moonbeam> They've worked in the past... I'm just puzzled why they're behaving like this on #ubuntu.
[08:11] <NickGarvey> what happens when there are multiple thin client servers on a network and you try to network boot?
[08:13] <ogra> as long as you dont run multiple dhcp servers and configure your dhcp to point certain clients to certain servers, thats fine
[08:13] <NickGarvey> oh alright thank you
[08:15] <ogra> you can also have a centralized server only for booting and have multiple servers serving the user sessions ...
[08:37] <LaserJock> ogra: so you'd like to get rid of the KDE apps?