=== mhz is now known as mhz_dinner === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@56-240-90.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_dinner is now known as mhz === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x is now known as arkan0x_work === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.243.89] has joined #edubuntu [05:36] neurogeek: ping === zbyte [n=hi@cpe-66-75-238-203.san.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:39] mhz, pong === Ju [n=Ju@AAubervilliers-153-1-8-249.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek is now known as peyote === mhz is now known as mhz_backIn20min === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === peyote [n=neurogee@201.209.243.89] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_backIn20min is now known as mhz === yvesC [n=yves@lns-bzn-50f-81-56-207-189.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === drbreen [n=drbreen@p54B7D291.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:31] hello [10:31] i am an admin of a small internet cafe in a school - no more than 5 clients - and i wonder [10:32] hi [10:32] drbreen: welcome [10:32] if i install edubuntu, that gives me a working ltsp environment out of the box ? [10:32] yes [10:33] because i have some trouble with the current solution which also includes clients that boot over ethernet but [10:33] sometimes it does not work [10:33] i use kernels on floppy disks that mount their root file system over nfs [10:34] aha [10:34] so currently you still run all the applications locally. With LTSP they would all run on the server [10:34] now when i tried to move the system to kubuntu breezy and installed ltsp-standalone-server i encountered numberous problems with dhcp and tftp [10:35] nay. i run nearly all the apps on the server for i set up X clients [10:35] and most people only use x apps [10:36] so the clients get a 50 mb or so base system and then aks kindly if they get XDMCP permission or something like this [10:36] ah ok [10:37] the problem i now have is: [10:37] i installed ltsp on my kubuntu breezy server with: [10:37] sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client && sudo emacs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [10:37] now my etherboot clients sometimes do not find an dhcp server, but more often they just do very little else than printing dot after dot after [10:37] Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" after they got their ip adress [10:37] i suppossed tftp was not running, but ps aux gives me: [10:37] nobody 6922 0.0 0.1 2040 604 ? S 10:24 0:00 in.tftpd -r blksize -s /var/lib/tftpboot === Elias [n=chatzill@r-gym-kanith.eyv.sch.gr] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] and if i cannot get this fixed fast (over the weekend, it is saturday here) i would prefer to use edubuntu [10:38] you added correct etherboot section to dhcpd.conf? [10:39] wait i will post it [10:39] use pastebin :) [10:39] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [10:39] I don't use etherboot myself. We only use PXE [10:40] drbreen: do you know if PXE works? [10:40] no [10:40] but my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is [10:40] authoritative; [10:40] subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { [10:40] range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.199; [10:40] option domain-name "eternal"; [10:40] option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; [10:40] option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; [10:40] option routers 192.168.0.1; [10:40] option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; [10:40] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [10:40] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [10:40] } [10:41] use pastebin :) [10:41] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [10:41] next time please:) [10:41] o sorry [10:41] so [10:41] please forgive me [10:41] you dhcpd.conf only provides PXE [10:41] not etherboot [10:41] the problem is most clients i have here are build from junk and do not have pxe capabilities i suppose [10:41] they are really old [10:42] so what do i have to change [10:42] to provide etherboot capabilities [10:42] ? [10:42] drbreen: or you should fix etherboot, needs extra images and stuff. it should be in the wiki sometimes [10:42] uh [10:42] s/sometimes/somewhere [10:42] drbreen: if you need quick fix you can also [10:42] use www.rom-o-matic.net [10:42] and put it on a floppy [10:43] then it will PXE boot from there [10:43] yeah i _have_ a correct rom from rom-o-matic but it does _not_ work [10:43] then look in the logs [10:43] it just says "loading 192.168.0.2:/blah/blah" and makes dots [10:43] drbreen: but you got PXE image from rom-o-matic [10:44] because in that case [10:44] you don't use etherboot [10:44] so i am dumb, are i ? [10:44] so you don't have to worry about that [10:44] i don't think so :) but if you insist ;) [10:45] sudo apt-get install mknbi && cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ && sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.ltsp --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img [10:45] where are said logs if i have a normal ltsp installation? [10:45] morning :) === Rondom [n=Rondom@87.193.52.52] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] use the above line to create etherboot kernels, ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp defaults to PXE ... [10:45] Good Morning. At next days I install Edubuntu to use LTSP. Please advise me how to install/use LTSP on server and on clients. The clients are NEC POWERMATE VT (Celeron 788/128/66/1.65V or Celeron 733/128/66/1.7V), (RMA 128MB), floppy, NIC Compex 10/100, VGA, M/B GA-6WMM7 Rev.2. The server Pentium4, 1GB ram, 80GB hdd. [10:46] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [10:46] that line is also wrong path IIRC [10:46] oh, yes, you need to adjust that for etherboot ... [10:47] should be filename "/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" [10:47] ok i will try. [10:47] many thanks [10:48] and restart the dhcp server after the change :) [10:48] ok === ogra .oO(wonders if he should look into that for next release, should be possible to make dhcpd pick up changes on the fly) [10:50] Elias, edubuntu does nearly everything for you ... see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes === spacey gonna try open up his laptop [10:51] bbl [10:51] just put the CD into the server, hit enter, answer 5 (or so) questions, wait 1h, reboot, follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ... done [10:52] the clients will netboot out of the box if the cards are PXE capable [10:57] (ogra) What is PXE? [10:57] a netboot protocol [10:58] its the default methid to boot from the network for newer NICs [10:58] *method [10:58] older ones used the etherboot protocol ... [10:59] ok....Thanks a lot. I study and I come back when install all of this. Thanks again.. [10:59] if your NICs dont support either, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:11] hello again [11:11] i did as i was told [11:11] but now its just he same [11:12] the clients print lines like "loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp" and slowly many dots [11:12] and do nothing [11:12] maybe i r really dumb === Elias [n=chatzill@r-gym-kanith.eyv.sch.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] JaneW: around? [11:20] isnt anyone there who could help me ? i feel like every dot takes as long as all dots before together === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@87.193.52.242] has joined #edubuntu [11:25] spacey: fine? [11:26] around?* [11:27] Pygi: hi [11:27] hi hi [11:27] me Mario === spacey herman :P [11:27] what did you want to discuss [11:27] well, I wanted to help you maintain the Cookbook and write articles ;) [11:27] thats great :) [11:27] i'm happy about that [11:28] i figure you have read my whole mail about the cookbook status/future [11:28] ? [11:28] yes, I did [11:28] main focus is the basic stuff to get a new person introduced to Edubuntu and its workings [11:28] For deadline, we should go that book should be done one week and a half before the dapper release [11:28] that way, we can do a real good work on QA [11:29] yeah [11:29] but [11:29] it slightly depends [11:29] if ogra want to ship it as a package as well [11:29] it probably needs to be done earlier [11:29] ogra: ?:) [11:29] o joy, but it depends how much people we will have writing [11:29] yup [11:29] anyone except me and you for now? [11:30] what are you going to write [11:30] i am just curious [11:30] I'll spread the word about the book, so I'll try to collect more people ^_^ [11:30] ? [11:30] Pygi: i wanted to spread the word after the meeting next week [11:30] drbreen: The Edubuntu Cookbook aka How to cook the Edubuntu ;) [11:30] so we have a clear vision of what needs to be written [11:30] :> === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@87.193.52.130] has joined #edubuntu [11:30] spacey: perhaps, but more people on the meeting, means more ideas ;) [11:30] true [11:31] Pygi: i will blog about it too [11:31] so it will get on planet ubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] spacey: great ;) I'll talk with some people that I think would be glad to participate, spread around the forum and such ;) [11:31] Pygi: ok thats fine [11:31] :) [11:31] Pygi: i'm not on the forums at all [11:31] About collaboration method, I think Wiki is the best for now ... thoughts? [11:32] Pygi: yes i think so too [11:32] because else the barrier is to high to contribute [11:32] I registered on forums like a week ago when I needed to inform people about new N-M ;) [11:32] spacey: agreed [11:32] :) [11:33] we should also find some native english grammer nazi's :) [11:33] ;-) [11:33] hrhr [11:33] voor the QA [11:33] s/voor/for [11:33] dutch sneaked in :o [11:33] lol ;) [11:34] and i expect ogra to do some technical QA :P [11:34] I really think that we need to revise chapters [11:35] Pygi: yup [11:35] and seriously limit the scope [11:35] yes, at least for Dapper [11:35] yup [11:35] spacey: so you need non-native english speakers then ;) [11:35] then we can go bigger ;) [11:35] Yagisan: :) [11:35] Yagisan: hehe ;) [11:35] They are welcome as well, as long as they can write reasonably good ;) [11:36] my wife (non-native) is constantly correcting my grammer (I'm native) [11:36] :> [11:36] spacey: so let's go with the chapters? [11:36] suggestions? ;) [11:36] Pygi: let me get the stuff [11:37] kk [11:38] argh [11:38] some stuff is double [11:38] spacey: huh :-/ [11:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Introduction [11:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_1_-_Introduction [11:38] but first one seems the most recent one === juliux_ [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] Pygi: anyway I wanted all the stuff that is about how cool it is and benifits etc. out of the cookbook for now. [11:39] better place on the website imho [11:39] yes, and no time [11:40] exactly [11:40] agreed [11:40] same for testimonials [11:40] much better for website [11:40] are this current chapters? [11:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet [11:40] what about Philosophy? [11:40] any thoughts on that [11:41] vision and goals or? I don't see philosophy? [11:42] its not in the worksheet [11:42] oh it is [11:42] well, I am not lookin at woorksheet ;) [11:42] Philosophy, Goals, Testimonials [11:42] its on both [11:42] it's linking on interwiki ;) [11:42] we should make a new Wiki page [11:42] Pygi: it doesn't exist [11:42] :) [11:43] spacey: agreed, new wiki page, a organized one ;) [11:43] CookbookNG :P [11:43] bah, why not "How to cook Edubuntu" ;) [11:43] ok :) [11:43] sounds great [11:44] go ahead [11:44] "Cooking Edubuntu for Dummies" [11:44] nah [11:45] Pygi: you make/i make the page? [11:45] spacey: workin' on it right now [11:45] I have to do some work as well ... I can't just sleep now when I offered you help to maintain it ;) [11:45] "Edubuntu - Cooking humanity in school" [11:45] :> [11:45] err [11:45] COCKing humanity in school :) [11:46] common typo [11:46] Pygi: i have to go out for 15 minutes [11:46] spacey: k, will talk to you later ^_^ [11:46] yeah i'll brb :) === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084E892.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === Pygi pokes JaneW [12:02] spacey: read mail once ur back === mario__ [n=mario@83-131-249-96.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === spacey back === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084E892.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === peyote is now known as neurogeek [01:51] hello [01:52] i am watching "Loading 192.168.0.2:/ltsp/vmlinuz.ltsp ............" on my diskless client for approx. 2 hours [01:53] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargl === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 15 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 5 is out, grab it while its hot http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Wed Mar 15 13:01:22 2006 === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F272.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === cortsenc [n=cortsenc@47.red-62-57-49.user.auna.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:43] hello === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@200.29.183.22] has joined #edubuntu === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:59] ogra, ping === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@200.29.183.22] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] morning edubuntu people! [07:05] hey LaserJock [07:10] ogra: so in general how is edubuntu doing for dapper? Mostly bug fixing now? [07:10] yep [07:10] not much else i can do anymore [07:11] the Cd is constantly oversized, so my main job with edubuntu is shuffling packages around to make them fit in 700MB [07:11] currently the main tasks are documentation and bugfixes ... [07:13] so are the packages that go on the CD in Main? [07:14] yeah. ogra still won't put mplayer in edubuntu-desktop ;) [07:14] yep [07:14] as all packages for all CDs need to be ... [07:14] cdimage.ubuntu.com only knows main ... [07:15] yeah, that is what I thought. I knew it was that way for Ubuntu and Kubuntu [07:18] so it would be nice to get some universe meta-packages that might help with easily installing some extra packages [07:19] yep [07:19] i want to go into app selection mode for dapper+1 again and drop as much kde stuff as we can ... [07:19] so there should be more room for new apps [07:20] has there been any thought about an Edubuntu-extras cd that could have the meta packages? [07:20] i'm thinking about an edubuntu-language CD [07:20] because I would think that educational institutions would like to have everything on cd [07:20] the DVD is what they should take ... [07:20] ah, yeah. so there is a DVD? [07:21] and we should get the most intresting apps into main, so it ends up on the DVD [07:21] sure [07:21] ubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu there are DVDs [07:21] I'm a little behind, I haven't "installed" Ubuntu since Breezy was released [07:23] the DVD contains the live and the install isos as well as all of main [07:23] but we cant ship edubuntu on DVD since the majority of our users are in third world countries where its relatively unlikely to find a DVD drive [07:25] right, that was why I was thinking of an -extras cd but I guess that might defeat the purpose of trying to keep things small [07:27] i guess we wont get around thinking about a better solution for dapper+1 [07:27] currently i cant change it, since we'll be on shipit with dapper [07:27] well, yeah for sure. I was just thinking about Dapper+1 ;-) === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:32] even in 1st world contries DVDs would be a problem, the site I work at has very little funding afterall [07:33] yep [07:34] while i'd assume you have decent HW to run a ltsp server though .. [07:34] has anyone ever tried using edubuntu /w openmosix? [07:34] "decent" is relative [07:34] but actually im thinking about using edubuntu, havn't deployed it yet... [07:34] no. haven't had a recent release, and I'm not going back to 2.4.x for it [07:35] and ubuntu doesnt support 2.4 at all [07:35] hmm, ok [07:35] if a 2.6.x tarball comes out, I may try again but all the userspace tools changed [07:35] neuralis from #ltsp and #ubuntu-devel did some resarch [07:35] about openssi [07:35] uses more network bandwidth though IIRC [07:36] I did a test of ltsp setups with it with ltsp a few years ago. [07:36] s/ltsp setups/openmosix setups [07:37] night all [07:37] sleep tight [07:37] the reason why I ask is because some of the client machines are somewhat decent, while others are really lousy [07:37] thx though === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === moonbeam [n=moonbeam@d235-226-227.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:01] hello [08:02] Any know issues with Joliet CDs? I have several that after being mounted give an empty listing. [08:02] They're Windows CD with children [08:02] games [08:03] They've worked in the past... I'm just puzzled why they're behaving like this on #ubuntu. === NickGarvey [n=NickGarv@cpe-24-195-249-41.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] what happens when there are multiple thin client servers on a network and you try to network boot? [08:13] as long as you dont run multiple dhcp servers and configure your dhcp to point certain clients to certain servers, thats fine [08:13] oh alright thank you [08:15] you can also have a centralized server only for booting and have multiple servers serving the user sessions ... 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