[01:57] <verwilst> this is the first time EVER that a standard install is so amazingly professional-looking
[01:57] <verwilst> great job Riddell and co
[01:58] <verwilst> for years, the first thing i have to do with kde is resize/change the fonts, change the colorscheme, the widgets, ...
[01:58] <verwilst> and it still looks clumsy
[01:58] <verwilst> some fonts are too small, some too large
[01:58] <verwilst> but now...
[01:58] <verwilst> it's like gnome and windows :d
[01:58] <raphink> tonio has done a great work on this
[01:58] <verwilst> fonts are perfect
[01:59] <raphink> on the default look
[01:59] <verwilst> it's really great :)
[01:59] <raphink> fonts, tabs, etc
[01:59] <raphink> and fwwii is still working on the default artwork
[01:59] <verwilst> first time ever that i didn't go straight to kcontrol :d
[01:59] <verwilst> i don't like the kdm splash though :)
[01:59] <verwilst> but hey
[01:59] <verwilst> :p
[02:00] <Hobbsee> verwilst: ugh, no
[02:00] <verwilst> Hobbsee: no? what no?
[02:00] <verwilst> :p
[02:00] <raphink> verwilst: kwwii is doing the artwork from scratch again
[02:00] <raphink> and began about 2 weeks ago
[02:00] <Hobbsee> to the kdm splash
[02:00] <verwilst> oh :d
[02:00] <verwilst> sweet :d
[02:00] <verwilst> great to hear
[02:01] <verwilst> hmmm
[02:01] <verwilst> how i missed my kde :$
[02:01] <verwilst> damned gnome
[02:02] <raphink> :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i hope there are old versions of wpa supplicant..
[02:24] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[02:24] <crimsun> unfortunately scott and reinhard didn't really preserve any upgrade paths
[02:24] <Hobbsee> the new one wont connect with knetworkmanager
[02:24] <crimsun> what does knetworkmanager do?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> and i upgraded it from tonio_'s repo today
[02:24] <crimsun> rather, how does it hook into wpasupplicant?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> kde equivalent of networkmanager
[02:26] <crimsun> does it use wpa_cli?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:26] <Hobbsee> you dont ahve to modify the wpa supplicant files with it
[02:26] <Hobbsee> and it's set to being default 0
[02:26] <crimsun> right, my kludgy script is now (thankfully) obsoleted
[02:33] <Hobbsee> right!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> there was a version uploaded to universe, which replaced tonio_'s version
[02:34] <Hobbsee> installed tonio's version, everything works again
[03:17] <mornfall> Riddell: so http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz -- i haven't tested it much, so may be a good idea to test before upload (or ask someone)
[03:17] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll go sleep now... if unsure, wait with upload till i appear
[03:18] <mornfall> good night all
[03:19] <hanover> simon still around?>
[09:11] <mornfall> Riddell: morning
[09:12] <mornfall> anyone willing to test new adept beta?
[09:13] <mornfall> come on, not everyone at once ;-)
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> good morning
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> why not :)
[09:13] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: you can use debuild right? :)
[09:13] <mornfall> (good morning too)
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> right
[09:14] <mornfall> here: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.1.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[09:14] <mornfall> it may take a bit to compile :-)
[09:14] <mornfall> thanks :-)
[09:16] <mornfall> i will be specifically happy if you can reproduce the "adept does not start through kdesu" thing... have you ever experienced it?
[09:17] <OculusAquilae> no sorry 
[09:17] <mornfall> interesting :)
[09:17] <mornfall> at least it is not too widespread in that case (it didn't happen to me either :)
[09:17] <OculusAquilae> :)
[09:24] <freeflying> anyone wanna test qt-3.3.6
[09:25] <freeflying> http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/
[09:25] <mornfall> hola freeflying 
[09:26] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[09:26] <mornfall> i haven't reproduced the scim thing :|
[09:28] <freeflying> mornfall: set locales to en_US , start SCIM 
[09:29] <freeflying> mornfall: it's hang up at filtering
[09:29] <mornfall> for now skim refuses to start
[09:30] <mornfall> but let's try
[09:30] <freeflying> mornfall: you can try with scim 
[09:31] <mornfall> skim is now running (but debian version, kubuntu one does not start over remote X)
[09:32] <mornfall> hmm, still works
[09:32] <mornfall> let me try installing some input method
[09:32] <mornfall> or maybe scim
[09:32] <freeflying> you are using sid ?
[09:32] <mornfall> yes
[09:33] <freeflying> seems I'd test on a sid box , hmh
[09:33] <mornfall> improvement -- skim does not segfault right away
[09:34] <mornfall> but it still filters just fine
[09:34] <freeflying> mornfall: has patches for qt 
[09:37] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: compiles well, but is it known that adept_installer scales so strange
[09:37] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: hmm, does it?
[09:38] <OculusAquilae> it scales the buttons but not the rest
[09:40] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/adept_installer.png
[09:40] <mornfall> ooooh
[09:41] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: no that's not known :)
[09:41] <OculusAquilae> same for adept_updater
[09:41] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: was about to say that :)
[09:42] <mornfall> lame, scim so does not work for me
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: should adept_batch compile?
[09:45] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: oh damn, yes it should -- i knew i would leave lots of stupid bugs in -- thanks :)
[09:45] <OculusAquilae> :)
[09:49] <mornfall> okey, both issues should be fixed
[09:49] <OculusAquilae> nice
[09:53] <mornfall> updated the source package
[10:06] <seaLne> hung during dist-upgrade and wouldn't boot after that
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink!
[10:32] <raphink> hi mornfall
[10:32] <raphink> :)
[10:33] <raphink> how are you?
[10:34] <mornfall> fairly fine
[10:34] <mornfall> a bit underslept
[10:34] <mornfall> was hunting bugs till 3:30am
[10:34] <raphink> hehe
[10:34] <raphink> just woke up too
[10:34] <mornfall> hey i'm up for an hour now ;-)
[10:34] <raphink> hehe
[10:48] <seaLne> w00t fixed dist-upgrade distruction and now i have dual head working (never worked with these cards in breezy)
[10:58] <Tonio_> hello girls ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:30] <raphink> Tonio_: toi-mme :p
[11:30] <raphink> lol
[11:31] <raphink> how are you doing Tonio_?
[11:32] <Tonio_> raphink: fine ;)
[11:32] <raphink> good :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> packaging new knetworkmanager and submitting to revu in the first place
[11:32] <raphink> great :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> then we'll have to discuss what to do with wlassistant
[11:32] <Tonio_> and knetworkmanager ;)
[11:32] <raphink> ok
[11:32] <Tonio_> I think chances are better for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager
[11:32] <raphink> I'm implementing support for yet another XML standard in Quanta ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> and knetworkmanager in main, as nm-applet, but not installed by default
[11:33] <raphink> ok
[11:33] <raphink> yes
[11:33] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> let's go ;)
[11:33] <raphink> just as for kpowersave I guess
[11:34] <raphink> raah les bourins qui ont fait le support docbook dans quanta
[11:34] <raphink> lol
[11:42] <Tonio_> raphink: si j'ai des sources qui sont aps un tarball
[11:43] <raphink> cd?
[11:43] <raphink> du svn par exemple?
[11:43] <Tonio_> tu me conseilles de faire un make -f Makefile.cvs avant de faire le tarball
[11:43] <Tonio_> ou dans le build process ?
[11:43] <Tonio_> voila
[11:43] <raphink> hmmm
[11:43] <Tonio_> c mme pas du svn
[11:43] <raphink> avant
[11:43] <Tonio_> je pense aussi ;)
[11:43] <Tonio_> bon bah c bon :)
[11:43] <raphink> tu fais un truc propre
[11:43] <raphink> tu te fais un orig avec
[11:43] <Tonio_> vivi, bah c'est le cas :)
[11:43] <raphink> et ensuite tu package
[11:43] <raphink> et tu mets dans le changelog que tu as clean la source
[11:43] <Tonio_> le orig la il est extrait depuis les sources du packet rpm de chez suse
[11:44] <raphink> argh :s
[11:44] <Tonio_> c degueu, donc autant le refaire propre
[11:44] <raphink> clair
[11:44] <raphink> ok
[11:44] <Tonio_> y a pas de svn pour knetworkmanager pour le moment
[11:44] <raphink> ok
[11:44] <raphink> c'est mieux que rien
[11:44] <Tonio_> vi
[11:45] <Tonio_> bon bah ca a l'air de builder ;)
[11:46] <raphink> oki :)
[11:51] <Lathiat> in konqueror
[11:51] <Lathiat> 'focus searchbar' -> ctrl+s 
[11:51] <Lathiat> but that doesnt work for me
[11:51] <Lathiat> can anynone confirm?
[11:51] <Lathiat> interestingly if i set it myself
[11:51] <Lathiat> and change it bac to default
[11:51] <Lathiat> it works
[11:54] <Tonio_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2167
[11:54] <Tonio_> reviewers needed
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_: 
[12:22] <Hobbsee> and Lure, i think
[12:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: helloooooooooo
[12:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> you run the kubuntu.no-ip.org repo?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, it is my personnal repo
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: a FYI - the universe wpasupplicant is overwriting your version, and the universe version does not work with knetworkmanager at all
[12:26] <Tonio_> for tests only
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I know
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yes, of course
[12:26] <Tonio_> that's a problem
[12:26] <Hobbsee> oh ok, i dindt know if you did :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> bump your version?
[12:26] <Tonio_> does the universe one work with networkmanager also ?
[12:26] <Tonio_> I assume no
[12:26] <Hobbsee> dont know, i dont run gnome
[12:26] <Tonio_> that's why wpasupplicant as to go in main
[12:26] <Hobbsee> want me to ask?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: plz yes ;)
[12:27] <Tonio_> but I think wpasupplicant in main is actually discussed
[12:27] <Tonio_> because it is needed for networkmanager to work
[12:27] <Tonio_> not to compile of course
[12:27] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:28] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager itself doesn't use wpasupplicant
[12:28] <Tonio_> networkmanager does
[12:28] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager is just a frontend
[12:28] <Hobbsee> ah...yes...and networkmanager is different from network-manager-gnome
[12:28] <Tonio_> yes
[12:28] <Tonio_> networkmanager-gnome is just a frontend also
[12:28] <Hobbsee> gotcha.  brain is kinda dead from work
[12:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:28] <Tonio_> network-manager is the base
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yep, thougth so
[12:29] <Hobbsee> and did you make some nice kubuntu-desktop packages that allowed you to run either kpowersave or klaptop as well?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: raphink did, and the packages are on my repo
[12:32] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[12:32] <Hobbsee> :) i like having them work
[12:32] <Tonio_> you have the list here
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yes, i have it :P
[12:32] <Tm_T> moin
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T 
[12:33] <mornfall> raphink: i haven't found no more testers
[12:33] <mornfall> only a big python flame
[12:34] <mornfall> which was lame
[12:34] <mornfall> i should stay away from python flames
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee!
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hello
[12:34] <Hobbsee> is Hobbsee squared as well?
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i am sure you want to test adept 1.91
[12:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:35] <Hobbsee> what sort of testing?
[12:35] <mornfall> compile and run
[12:35] <mornfall> if you can spot some obvious RC bugs
[12:35] <mornfall> :-)
[12:36] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.1.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[12:36] <Hobbsee> both?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> compile both, i take it?
[12:36] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:36] <mornfall> Hobbsee: yes, in the order pasted (first is build-dep of latter)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yep, gotcha
[12:36] <mornfall> just run debuild on it
[12:37] <mornfall> if it breaks, it's probably my fault
[12:37] <freeflying> mornfall: 1.91 can not works too
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no response on the wpasupplicant and networkmanager yet
[12:39] <mornfall> freeflying: damn
[12:40] <mornfall> freeflying: but since you already compiled it, can you try without scim?
[12:40] <mornfall> freeflying: (and paste me the stdout/stderr with scim enabled?)
[12:40] <freeflying> mornfall: will try it later 
[12:41] <mornfall> freeflying: terminal output with scim? pretty please :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: out of curiousity, why isnt the directory inside the .tar.gz named correctly?
[12:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: probably because i make the tarball in a very hacky way :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: riddell always fixes it for me ;-)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> you didnt use the *gasp* evil program, did you?
[12:44] <mornfall> i don't use program, i just run debuild in a hand-crafted checkout directory O:-)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> you cant just rename the directory?
[12:44] <mornfall> it's too complicated
[12:44] <mornfall> i can't use the mv program
[12:44] <mornfall> never recall the spelling
[12:44] <mornfall> you know all that :-)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[12:44] <mornfall> i will write a script one day
[12:45] <mornfall> that will make proper tarballs
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:45] <mornfall> or something :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> mornfall: first one compiles
[12:50] <mornfall> yay
[12:50] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> so i dont have to install that stuff now, and can do it thru adept?
[12:51] <mornfall> *blink*?
[12:51] <mornfall> what build depends? :)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> deps on kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <mornfall> it won't build without kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <Hobbsee> errors out without that package though - compiling, and installing again
[12:52] <Hobbsee> other way around
[12:52] <mornfall> obviously, you can't compile kde programs without kdelibs headers :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:54] <Hobbsee> you can try to override it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> but it errored out over the xincludes
[12:54] <mornfall> :-)
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: pingy pingy? :)
[12:55] <mornfall> Riddell: or you
[12:55] <raphink> pingu pingu
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i guess i couldnt get it to build in a pbuilder...pity
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: how willing are you to fix the packages before uploading? :)
[12:55] <mornfall> Hobbsee: oh?
[12:55] <raphink> hmmm
[12:55] <raphink> how do you mean?
[12:55] <raphink> the adept one you mean?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> mornfall: because adept depends on the other, which pbuilder will not regard as installed
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: well, the things you do for packages that come from debian... appending ubuntu1 to version and such
[12:55] <Hobbsee> and is not in repos
[12:56] <raphink> my will depends more or less of the number of hours I stay awake in the day
[12:56] <mornfall> Hobbsee: ah, right, usual pbuilder problem
[12:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:56] <mornfall> Hobbsee: there's a section on it in debian wiki
[12:56] <raphink> mornfall: the general rule when syncing/merging packages from Debian are to keep the diff as small as possible
[12:56] <Hobbsee> oh ok...i'll have to have a look
[12:57] <mornfall> Hobbsee: http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks
[12:57] <raphink> mornfall: so if it can be kept with no -0ubuntu1 it's better 
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: i don't know what Riddell does to the packages in fact
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: but it's a native package
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: so that's maybe why (you would have exactly same version as debian with different content)
[12:58] <raphink> well if it builds in Dapper and we have no particular patch to apply to it, we just sync it
[12:59] <raphink> is the package in Debian already?
[12:59] <mornfall> not yet :)
[12:59] <raphink> ok
[12:59] <mornfall> and it will go to dapper first this time
[12:59] <raphink> ah ok
[12:59] <raphink> so it's not a sync really
[12:59] <raphink> it's more convenient when it enters debian first
[12:59] <raphink> so we can measure the diff
[12:59] <raphink> and be sure to stay as close to debian as possible
[12:59] <raphink> it's less of a problem with adept since it's a package in main
[12:59] <Hobbsee> cool!
[12:59] <mornfall> raphink: well, you get from me the thing that will be uploaded to debian
[01:00] <raphink> so we can deal with the diff more
[01:00] <raphink> Hobbsee: what,
[01:00] <raphink> ?
[01:00] <mornfall> raphink: most of the time
[01:00] <raphink> ok
[01:00] <Hobbsee> raphink: refering to the link from mornfall 
[01:00] <raphink> if you don't miind I'll have a look at it later mornfall
[01:00] <raphink> cause I have to pack and go 
[01:00] <raphink> and I'm not going to move if I stick to the comp like that
[01:01] <mornfall> raphink: ok
[01:01] <raphink> can you upload to revu and send me the link by email?
[01:01] <mornfall> raphink: i may catch riddell in which case it'll be less work for you :)
[01:01] <raphink> I'll look at it tonight or tomorrow if you don't mine
[01:01] <raphink> s/mine/mind/
[01:02] <mornfall> bah revu :|
[01:02] <raphink> mornfall: or send me the packages if you prefer :)
[01:02] <raphink> or send me a link to the packages on the net ;)
[01:02] <mornfall> i'd have to go through the whole upload thing that way... i thought that's what sponsors are for :)
[01:02] <raphink> huh?
[01:02] <raphink> no
[01:02] <mornfall> raphink: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.1.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[01:02] <raphink> on REVU I would just add your key to the keyring
[01:02] <raphink> then you can upload what you want
[01:03] <mornfall> i am joking
[01:03] <raphink> mornfall: can you please send them by mail? it's more convenient :)
[01:03] <mornfall> i mean, i would have to do the whole upload dance
[01:03] <raphink> otherwise I'm sure to lose them ;)
[01:03] <mornfall> raphink: links or tarballs?
[01:03] <raphink> links
[01:03] <raphink> to raphink@u.c
[01:04] <raphink> and I promise I'll look at them this weekend
[01:04] <mornfall> raphink: sent
[01:04] <raphink> ty
[01:04] <mornfall> raphink: i'll try to recall to mail you in case Riddell appears
[01:04] <mornfall> and does the upload
[01:04] <raphink> ok 
[01:05] <raphink> I'll see it in dapper changes if that happens
[01:05] <raphink> but right now I better hurry up 
[01:05] <mornfall> laters :)
[01:05] <raphink> I've got about 4 hours to drive
[01:05] <raphink> ++
[01:05] <mornfall> ouch
[01:05] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i'll wait for your results with Riddell summoning =)
[01:06] <mornfall> well i should be writing homeworks :|
[01:06] <mornfall> lame
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hee
[01:09] <mornfall> yes?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> both compile...
[01:09] <mornfall> yay
[01:10] <Hobbsee> could not find something...octet stream
[01:13] <Hobbsee> mornfall: error message, after you put in kdesu adept:  
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Could not find mime type
[01:13] <Hobbsee> application/octet-stream
[01:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: yay
[01:13] <Hobbsee> well, launching from the kmenu, with command of:  adept %i %m -caption "%c"
[01:13] <Hobbsee> how's that yay?
[01:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it's a bug in kdesu/kubuntu/ubuntu not in adept :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: but it would cause hangs at times
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: before the fix that makes it pop up right away
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you can ignore it though
[01:14] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: if you click it away adept will work ok
[01:14] <Tonio_> hum........ knetworkmanager ftbfs because libs name are different in main than on my repo.....
[01:15] <Tonio_> why did they change that ?
[01:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try running kdesu kbuildsycoca if it fixes the problem?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i will in a minute - just installing kde-devel now
[01:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: sure
[01:16] <Hobbsee> and i'm pleased to see that it will install, without trying to upgrade packages
[01:16] <Hobbsee> *upgrade other packages
[01:19] <Hobbsee> mornfall: same thing.  seems to work fine.
[01:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: same thing = ?
[01:20] <mornfall> Hobbsee: do you sometimes use adept? if yes, have you ever experienced the adept does not start problem?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: same thing, as in, i get the same error.
[01:20] <mornfall> Hobbsee: after buildsycoca run?
[01:20] <mornfall> interesting
[01:20] <Hobbsee> occasonally, i do use it.  even today, it did not start first time
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: which version?
[01:21] <Tm_T> hum hum hum
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try reproducing it? and if it happens paste the stdout of it? (presuming you run it from terminal)
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it would be a huge help -- i can't reproduce it at all :'(
[01:21] <Hobbsee> mornfall: all of them
[01:21] <Tm_T> 13:56:23 up 2 days, 19:45,  4 users,  load average: 9.15, 7.57, 5.88
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i mean, 1.91?
[01:21] <Tm_T> now load average: 6.06, 5.14, 5.24
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes, when i tested it out the first time.  i didnt run it thru terminal
[01:22] <Hobbsee> after buildsycoca run, the error about octet stream is still ther,e yes
[01:22] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try reproducing it in terminal? *please please*
[01:23] <Hobbsee> trying - but it's being nice, and starting up properly now...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> rebooting kde...
[01:23] <mornfall> i want to get rid of this bug
[01:29] <Hobbsee> damn thing
[01:29] <mornfall> Hobbsee: what?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> what is it about bugs, that lets them be reproducable the first time you boot, every time, but as soon as you *want* them to reproduce, tehy dont
[01:30] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you reproduce it without terminal?
[01:31] <mornfall> oh
[01:31] <mornfall> maybe it just happened tom e?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:32] <mornfall> but, but... it did not deadlock
[01:32] <mornfall> either it died right away, or i closed it without remembering
[01:32] <mornfall> which is the likely scenario :\
[01:32] <Hobbsee> mornfall: who knows.  this usually happens
[01:32] <Hobbsee> but it's working now
[01:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: could you please look at your .xsession-errors?
[01:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it could have some trace of the nonstarting adept
[01:43] <Hobbsee> mornfall: even with not being able to reproduce thru console
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mornfall: nothing of interest there - cos i rebooted, and so lost teh old session error
[01:45] <mornfall> damn
[01:54] <mornfall> that's lame
[01:54] <mornfall> adept starts up every single time for me
[01:54] <mornfall> about ten times in a row
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:54] <Hobbsee> try a reboot, then starting it
[01:54] <Hobbsee> once it starts once, it seems to always start up
[01:55] <Tm_T> moin hapo 
[01:55] <hapo> I would be interested in maintaining the package of an application that's not currently present in multiverse
[01:55] <hapo> how much work would that involve?
[01:55] <hapo> Tm_T: hejsan
[01:55] <Tm_T> hmm, is there debian maintainer for it?
[01:56] <hapo> an intresting question
[01:56] <hapo> 
[01:56] <Tm_T> because afaik it could simplify it a lot
[01:56] <hapo> eh, +e
[01:56] <Tm_T> like, all you need to do is repackage or so
[01:58] <hapo> yup, as I've currently been doing with my unofficial packages
[01:58] <hapo> however, I've done them from other unofficial ones
[01:58] <hapo> that can be found on kmplayer's website
[01:58] <Tm_T> let's see...
[02:00] <Tm_T> AGH! debian.org is down again
[02:01] <tvo> it's been announced on debian-devel, it will be down till 21 UTC iirc
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ugh
[02:03] <tvo> "This Saturday (2006-03-25) between 13:00 - 21:00 UTC, the debian.org machines hosted by HP are going down due to maintenance in their cage on the power systems."
[02:04] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:13] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[04:13] <Tonio_> I need to reactivate wifi :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> back in 10 minutes
[04:14] <Lure> Tonio_: ok
[04:17] <freeflying> Lure: how about the new qt 
[04:17] <Lure> freeflying: need to restart download - it got stalled...
[04:24] <mornfall> Riddell: so
[04:25] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[04:25] <mornfall> Riddell: i guess i won't make any further changes -- the tarball is updated to have the race fix in it
[04:25] <mornfall> i very much hope it fixes the adept fails to start problems
[04:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not able to connect with knetworkmanager anymore.........
[04:35] <Tonio_> seen that problem already?
[04:35] <Lure> yes ;-)
[04:36] <Lure> Did you remove wallet and rc file?
[04:36] <Tonio_> what is the issue ?
[04:36] <Tonio_> yep
[04:36] <Lure> Then it is strange... WEP or WPA?
[04:36] <Tonio_> Idid not remove wallet, but I purged knetworkmanager settings
[04:36] <Tonio_> from the wallet ;)
[04:36] <Lure> Tonio_: that is what I did also....
[04:36] <Tonio_> wep
[04:36] <Lure> did you remove knetwrokmanagerrc file?
[04:37] <Lure> Tonio_: you cannot connect as it crashes (my report) or do you get asked for WEP key and then it does not work?
[04:37] <Tonio_> no
[04:37] <Lure> BTW, no new knm package in your repo - did you uplolad
[04:37] <Tonio_> no prompt..........
[04:37] <Lure> You should
[04:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I will purge and reinstall everything, and see
[04:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I uploaded yes
[04:38] <Tonio_> network-manager-kde
[04:38] <Tonio_> install this
[04:39] <Tonio_> okay, I'm pruging all settings and reboot
[04:39] <Tonio_> we'll see
[04:39] <Lure> I had installed it before, but it does not upgrade now
[04:43] <Tonio_> Lure: that's okay :)
[04:43] <Tonio_> I just had to reboot
[04:43] <Tonio_> so what's the bug you were talking about
[04:44] <Tonio_> ?
[04:44] <Lure> #knetworkmanager?
[05:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at knetworkmanager for dialup
[05:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think patching this will be quite impossible
[05:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: methods for ading, appening, remove and connect to dialup connections are about everywhere in the code........;
[05:27] <Tonio_> that would result a patch about impossible to maintain with updates.........
[05:34] <Riddell> just remove dialup then
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok ;)
[05:50] <Riddell> how does nm-applet do dialup?
[05:50] <Riddell> "Kaffeine 0.8 released"  hmm
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't ;)
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to test latest kaffeine
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: dialup connections is something specific to knetworkmanager/yast
[05:54] <Tonio_> this is not in any other part of networkmanager
[05:54] <Tonio_> that's why I would suggest to remove that ;)
[05:55] <Riddell> "added: support for KDE 3.5's system:/ - patch by Christopher Martin "  ooh
[05:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, please package it up
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go ;)
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a good news ;)
[05:57] <Tonio_> kaffeine is the application for which system:/ is the most handicaping
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that works, shouldn't we consider removing my crappy patch ?
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[05:58] <Tonio_> still an issue with kate, but well..... nobody's launching kate + 50 MB text files everyday ;)
[06:02] <Riddell> mornfall: new adept working lovely for me, I'll upload
[06:08] <verwilst> any idea when kopete 10.2 beta2 kubuntu debs will be out for dapper?
[06:10] <Riddell> Tm_T sometimes makes them
[06:10] <Tm_T> yeah, I should
[06:11] <Tm_T> I try tomorrow, today I feel very sick
[06:14] <mornfall> Riddell: cool
[06:14] <mornfall> Riddell: i talked few people into testing it this time, so hopefully caught the silliest bugs :-)
[06:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:18] <Tm_T> I wonder...
[06:19] <Tm_T> should I just play around with Kopete sources or do I need something from kdenetwork
[06:19] <Tm_T> for puilding package
[06:19] <Tm_T> b
[06:19] <Tm_T> ...hey, looks like these drugs work, dizzy \o/
[06:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: I assume they're releasing stand alone tars for kopete, so use that but make sure you use a compatible number scheme
[06:20] <Tm_T> ok
[06:20] <Tm_T> yeah, as you told me to do one day
[06:21] <Riddell> number it 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu1kopete1 or something
[06:22] <Tm_T> any mirrors to http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ ?
[06:22] <Tm_T> I assume that I should somewhat follow that ;)
[06:24] <Tm_T> hmm, there's no patches we use? I think no... do we need sametime protocol support (novell groupware I think)
[06:24] <Riddell> we have a separate kopete-meanwhile package for that
[06:25] <Tm_T> ah ok
[06:25] <Tm_T> hmm, and we can do separate jingle package then too?
[06:26] <Riddell> yes
[06:26] <Tm_T> but then we have to get back libortp0 (0.71)
[06:26] <Tm_T> aye sir
[06:27] <Riddell> Lure: did you test kde 3.5.2 on breezy?
[06:30] <Lure> Riddell: not yet - need to nail down one k-n-m crash first
[06:30] <Lure> I can do it later today (at least install and basic tests)
[06:30] <Lure> If it does not work I will have at least a reason to install Dapper for work partition ;-)
[06:31] <raphink> mornfall: Riddell uploaded adept right?
[06:32] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[06:32] <raphink> thanks :)
[06:32] <raphink> sorry I couldn't do it, I really had to drive :)
[06:40] <mornfall> raphink: right
[06:40] <raphink> :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: pfiuuuuuuuuuu ! kaffeine requires lots of changes :)
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need to rewrite all patches, do I use the kubuntu_ prefix, or do I keep the actual names ?
[06:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: add a kubuntu prefix
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[06:52] <raphink> hmm
[06:52] <raphink> the display module still won't work 
[06:52] <Riddell> is my usual way anyway, the debian maintainers will take it back when they package it
[06:53] <Riddell> anyone had problems with amarok and taglib?
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no debian sync for those packages no ?
[06:53] <Tonio_> I mean "autosync"
[06:53] <raphink> fabo: le module display marche chez toi?
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[06:53] <Tonio_> raphink: display module never worked on any of my computers
[06:54] <raphink> it worked a few days ago here Tonio_
[06:54] <raphink> and now it's broken again
[06:54] <Tonio_> raphink: what about the "delay to shuddown screen" ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> are you able to change it ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> I can change it, when going back to settings after closing systemsettings, nothing changed
[06:55] <Tonio_> the module launches, but that's the only thing it does for me ;)
[06:55] <Tonio_> and yes, the module doesn't even launch actually
[06:56] <Tonio_> raphink: unable to launch blabla
[06:56] <Tonio_> that's what I get
[06:56] <raphink> oui aussi
[06:56] <Tonio_> tout pareil
[06:56] <Tonio_> we need to ping _Sime_
[06:56] <raphink> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'
[06:56] <raphink> error: *** runFunction failure
[06:56] <raphink> or fabo
[06:56] <_Sime_> hey
[06:57] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hello ;)
[06:57] <raphink> hi _Sime_
[06:57] <_Sime_> whatsup?
[06:58] <raphink> _Sime_: it seems to me like the display module was fixed a few days ago
[06:58] <raphink> and it is broken again now
[06:58] <_Sime_> it might just not be fixed for you. ;-)
[06:58] <raphink> nope 
[06:58] <raphink> it was fixed a few days ago on this machine
[06:59] <raphink> and it's broken for tonio too
[06:59] <raphink> _Sime_: can you test please?
[07:00] <raphink> _Sime_: http://pastebin.com/621895
[07:00] <raphink> and I'm totally up-to-date
[07:02] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can confirm
[07:02] <_Sime_> Tonio_: same problem?
[07:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yep
[07:05] <Tonio_> _Sime_: exactly the same, and I don't run a ppc architecture, but an i386 one
[07:06] <_Sime_> mmm
[07:07] <raphink> _Sime_: did  you test ?
[07:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I don't have exactly the same output
[07:07] <Tonio_> here is my one : 
[07:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: http://pastebin.com/621911
[07:07] <Tonio_> a bit different, but same result ^^
[07:08] <_Sime_> Tonio_: email me your xorg.conf, there appears to be a bad character in it.
[07:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay
[07:09] <Tonio_> _Sime_: email address plz ?
[07:09] <_Sime_> simon@simonzone.com
[07:09] <raphink> I don't have the unicode error
[07:10] <_Sime_> raphink: yes, I see that. What is your email address?
[07:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: email gone
[07:10] <raphink> I have an attributeerror instead
[07:10] <raphink> _Sime_: raphink@u.c
[07:10] <Tonio_> but my xorg.conf works perfectly ;)
[07:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you working on kaffeine 0.8?
[07:11] <raphink> I also get error messages on the sharing section. can you confirm tonio?
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[07:12] <Tonio_> there are many little things to clean, like xpm file etc......
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be okay in 30 minutes
[07:12] <Riddell> cool, thanks, I'll wait and batch my upstream version freeze exception requests then
[07:13] <raphink> Tonio_: tu as une erreur quand tu cliques sur "sharing" dans systemsettings?
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:13] <Tonio_> raphink: je te dis ca
[07:13] <raphink> ok
[07:13] <raphink> moi j'ai
[07:13] <raphink> Impossible de trouver le module   .
[07:14] <Tonio_> raphink: unable to find module << >>
[07:14] <raphink> Impossible de trouver le module   .
[07:14] <Tonio_> :)
[07:14] <raphink> oui
[07:14] <raphink> et il me le refais
[07:14] <raphink> quand je clique sur les onglets Lisa et lan:/ ioslave
[07:14] <raphink> enfin dmon lisa
[07:15] <Tonio_> raphink: tout pareil
[07:15] <apachelogger> raphink: hi, if there is a new version of kblogger which fixes the blogger.com issue, is it possible to get into dapper?
[07:15] <raphink> oki
[07:15] <raphink> apachelogger: request an UVF exception
[07:16] <raphink> see the ubuntu-motu ML for instructions
[07:16] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[07:16] <raphink> Tonio_: ok this is a problem with the lanbrowser module it seems
[07:16] <raphink> i'll check it
[07:17] <_Sime_> Tonio_: did you reinstall dapper recently?
[07:17] <Tonio_> k
[07:17] <Tonio_> _Sime_: not myself
[07:17] <Tonio_> _Sime_: my installation is about one month
[07:18] <_Sime_> Tonio_: did you use accented chars in xorg.conf? or did the installer do that?
[07:18] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the installer does that unfortunately
[07:18] <Tonio_> I know that's not nice at all.......;
[07:19] <_Sime_> Tonio_: was that always so? or was it recently changed?
[07:19] <Tonio_> _Sime_: that was always
[07:19] <raphink> _Sime_: the module was fixed for me a few days ago
[07:19] <raphink> then yesterday it was broken again
[07:19] <raphink> not sure when it happened
[07:19] <Tonio_> xorg installer uses "carte video gnrique"
[07:19] <Tonio_> and that causes crappy xorg.conf
[07:19] <_Sime_> raphink: did you get my mail?
[07:19] <raphink> nope
[07:19] <raphink> not yet
[07:20] <Tonio_> raphink: do you confirm you already saw that with xorg configurator ?
[07:20] <raphink> huh?
[07:20] <Tonio_>         Identifier      "cran gnrique"
[07:21] <Tonio_> raphink: something like that
[07:21] <_Sime_> raphink: ok, this time I
[07:21] <Tonio_> it is not nice to have accents in a config file.....
[07:21] <raphink> mhm
[07:21] <_Sime_> raphink: I've got the address right.
[07:21] <raphink> I don't have the unicode error Tonio_
[07:21] <_Sime_> Tonio_: 0.6.3 should be able to handle it.
[07:22] <raphink> ok wait a min 
[07:22] <raphink> I'm gonna track this LISa bug in kcontrol
[07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I can reproduce your problem here BTW.
[07:22] <raphink> for a short while, before I got out ;)
[07:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: cool ;)
[07:23] <raphink> _Sime_: sent back
[07:23] <raphink> very nice idea to make such a program :)
[07:23] <Lure> Riddell: kwin just crashed on console switch with keyboard (KDE 3.5.2)
[07:23] <_Sime_> raphink: thanks.
[07:24] <raphink> :)
[07:24] <_Sime_> Tonio_: there is something dumb happening in python's csv module.... :-/ I've opened the file with right encoding but BOOM! I'll work it out.
[07:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, thanks :)
[07:27] <_Sime_> raphink: what are you running dapper on?
[07:27] <raphink> powerbook g4
[07:29] <raphink> :(
[07:29] <raphink> aaaww :(
[07:29] <raphink> _Sime_: I'm sorry, it just worked 3 days ago I'm sure
[07:29] <raphink> now it says the module can't be found
[07:30] <_Sime_> raphink: all your old xorg.conf file are backed up in /etc/X11/
[07:30] <_Sime_> raphink: maybe you can see what has changed in the last few days.
[07:31] <raphink> you think this is ap roblem with xorg ?
[07:31] <_Sime_> maybe
[07:31] <_Sime_> with the data you sent me I can probably reproduce the exception here.
[07:31] <raphink> ok
[07:31] <raphink> lets see
[07:31] <_Sime_> but first it is time to go do the food thing.
[07:32] <raphink> I have no xorg.conf backup
[07:32] <Riddell> Lure: can you reproduce that crash?
[07:32] <raphink> and the creation date of the current one is from 15 days ago
[07:32] <Riddell> Lure: 3.5.2 installed ok otherwise?
[07:32] <raphink> i.e. when I installed dapper on this machine
[07:32] <raphink> so it hasn't be changed
[07:33] <raphink> hence I doubt this is it _Sime_
[07:33] <Lure> Riddell: yes 3.5.2 installed fine and running w/o any noticable problems.
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: great, many thanks
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: could you test koffice 1.5 rc1 as well?
[07:33] <Lure> I now has also freeflying's qt - this might be an issue, but I can also downgrade if you think needed
[07:34] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15rc1/ breezy main
[07:34] <Riddell> nah, new qt needs testing too
[07:34] <Lure> Riddell: I do not use koffice, but can install... ;-)
[07:35] <Lure> Riddell: BTW, this crash was on dapper (did not boot into breezy yet) and before I installed qt 
[07:36] <Lure> Riddell: one thing I noticed after login qith new qt - tray icons were updated very visible - never noticed it before
[07:36] <Lure> like they would be refreshed several times (too many times), when new icons were added
[07:37] <Lure> will pay attention next time I log in
[07:38] <Riddell> Lure: so you only tested 3.5.2 on dapper?
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: yes, up to now 
[07:38] <Riddell> it's breezy that needs testing
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: will do today.
[07:39] <Lure> BTW, this switch-desktop-slowness due to (probably) crystal is making me nervous
[07:40] <Riddell> I've not had that problem, can you turn off crystal kwin deco to make sure that's what it is?
[07:45] <raphink> Riddell: confirmed and filed a long time ago 
[07:45] <raphink> for ppc
[07:46] <raphink> and when I say it is slow, I really mean it
[07:46] <raphink> it freezes everything
[07:46] <raphink> including the keyboard
[07:46] <raphink> for 5 minutes when I start KDE
[07:46] <raphink> and it's due to the crystal win deco _exclusively_
[07:46] <raphink> I checked it 
[07:47] <raphink> furthermore, as some people pointed on forums and blogs, this deco resembles the vista one too much
[07:47] <raphink> which is another point against using it ;)
[07:47] <raphink> anyway
[07:47] <raphink> gtg
[07:47] <raphink> later guys 
[07:52] <luka74> Riddell: slowdown is only with new login session immedeately after login
[07:52] <luka74> first click on another desktop is fast, but then immediate click on another desktop takes 15 sec or so
[07:53] <luka74> Then my machine hangs on End session (ATI), so I had to reboot and now downloading kde 3.5.2
[07:54] <luka74> Riddell: is it OK that packages are not signed (brezzy kde 3.5.2)?
[07:54] <luka74> and actually I have koffice1.5beta1 on my breezy (not really used), so I can try to upgrade too
[07:55] <luka74> can you repeat the repository URL again?
[07:55] <Riddell> luka74: packages should be signed (by me)
[07:55] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15rc1/ breezy main
[07:55] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[07:56] <luka74> they are not - have downloaded your key again
[07:57] <luka74> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[07:58] <luka74> I did install key again as described here:
[07:58] <luka74> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-amarok-beta2.php
[07:58] <luka74> (this was last announcement on kubuntu.org where your key is mentioned)
[08:00] <Riddell> hmm, confirmed
[08:06] <Lure> Tonio_: I am trying to get pbuilder on my breezy (while waiting for 3.5.2 to install)
[08:07] <Lure> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper 
[08:07] <Lure> this fails with debootstrap error
[08:07] <Lure> I am going through the steps described in PbuilderHowto (wiki)
[08:07] <Riddell> you need debootstrap from dapper to build a dapper chroot
[08:08] <Lure> OK, then I will just do it in dapper - I just tried to get used to while waiting...
[08:10] <Riddell> archive signing should be fixed now
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: 3.5.2 installed - no scary messages, only this one worth mentioning:
[08:10] <Lure> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/etc/kde3/magic': Directory not empty
[08:11] <Lure> will now upgrade also koffice and then reboot to test
[08:12] <Lure> Riddell: got this from apt-get update when added koffice-15rc1 repository
[08:12] <Lure> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got dapper)
[08:12] <Lure> ugly...
[08:13] <Lure> has nothing to do with koffice - also get this without that repo...
[08:14] <Lure> not sure what could have caused this (beside kde3.5.2 or my try with pbuilder)
[08:15] <Lure> in my /e/a/sources.list, I have standard repos (with si. prefix) + backports + amarok-1.3.8 + wine
[08:15] <Lure> all have breezy (wine has binary/), no mention of dapper
[08:16] <Lure> maybe your authentication fix? ;-)
[08:16] <Riddell> hang on a sec
[08:20] <Riddell> should be fixed now
[08:22] <Lure> Riddell: new one:
[08:22] <Lure> : GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[08:27] <Riddell> ok fixed
[08:27] <Riddell> not sure what caused that
[08:28] <Lure> Riddell: ok now, koffice upgrade in process (did not complain about not being signed)
[08:28] <Riddell> phew :)
[08:29] <verwilst> oh, kaffeine 0.8 is out?
[08:30] <Riddell> apparantly so, quite a silly time for it to be put out
[08:31] <verwilst> why's that? :)
[08:31] <Riddell> there's a pending security update for kaffeine
[08:32] <verwilst> oh
[08:32] <verwilst> and it's fixed in 0.8?
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5346 in kaffeine "Kaffeine crashes konqueror when trying to play embedded movies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5346
[08:32] <Riddell> I think everyone will be hoping that
[08:33] <verwilst> annoying bug eh :d
[08:40] <Riddell> uh oh
[08:40] <Riddell> ah hah!
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure: success?
[08:40] <Lure> Riddell: so far, so good...
[08:44] <Riddell> koshell working?
[08:51] <Lure> Riddell: it comes up, not sure what it should do... ;-)
[08:51] <Lure> I just used kword/kspread and krita until now
[08:51] <Riddell> Lure: start a new kword document or something
[08:52] <Lure> started one of each, looks good...
[08:53] <Riddell> great, thanks for that Lure 
[08:53] <Lure> actually, koffice look really nice - great improvement from 1.4
[08:53] <Lure> will it get into dapper?
[08:54] <Riddell> no idea
[08:55] <Lure> otherwise my key apps still work as expected (kontact (could not test imap), konqi, kopete, konversation, ...)
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: anything else you would like me to test on breezy? otherwise I will go to dapper to fix knm
[08:57] <Lure> if anything pops up, you will here from me next week (I have to work on this breezy, you know ;-))
[08:58] <Riddell> Lure: I think that's all the testing needed for now
[08:59] <Lure> ok, be back after reboot
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine packages okay
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: gui changes a LOT
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange feeling in some point........
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna test ?
[09:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[09:03] <Riddell> anyone running kde 3.5.1 able to test something?
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: gonna eat, but I can test what you want in 15 minutes
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: back on dapper and can confirm that crystal is responsible for slowness (app start, desktop switch)
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can install new kaffeine using my repo
[09:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: URL?
[09:04] <Riddell> Lure: I've e-mailed the author
[09:04] <Lure> I have now Platik and Dapper is snappy again - I almost forgot the feeling...
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/
[09:04] <Tonio_> Lure: using a ppc ?
[09:04] <Lure> no, i386
[09:05] <Tonio_> hum, I don't have problems with crystal
[09:05] <Tonio_> Lure: talking about the window decoration ?
[09:05] <Lure> Tonio_: do a new login session, click on another desktop, followed with click on third desktop
[09:05] <Lure> on my system first switch of desktop, then it is 15 sec delay
[09:06] <Tonio_> hum, will test :)
[09:06] <Lure> and each app startup is slower by a sec or so (just first time I would say)
[09:06] <Lure> just switch to Plastik and you will notice the difference
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: system:/home causes the issue anyway.........; kaffeine 0.8 doesn't resolve anything.........
[09:07] <Lure> Tonio_: :-(
[09:07] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, do i need to subscribe to each bug individually in malone or there's some trick i missed?
[09:07] <Lure> mornfall: you can subscribe a package
[09:08] <Lure> when you browse and have source URL of you package, just add /+subscribe
[09:08] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+subscribe
[09:08] <mornfall> okey, it is under bugmail
[09:09] <mornfall> now if only this thing could remember my sort settings
[09:09] <mornfall> clicking few times totally confuses me every time
[09:09] <mornfall> because it reorders the bugs while i don't look
[09:09] <mornfall> :|
[09:09] <Riddell> mornfall: you can subscribe to a package (although it won't subribe you to existing reports, only new ones)
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't get kaffeint to play anything
[09:10] <mornfall> oh lord
[09:10] <Lure> Riddell: but you can nicely go to package list of bugs
[09:10] <mornfall> i will just hope the bugmail thing works
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange, works for me.......
[09:10] <Tonio_> did you remove kaffeinerc ?
[09:10] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/people/lure/+packagebugs
[09:10] <mornfall> can anyone give me a hint on how to add columns to the bug list?
[09:11] <mornfall> i must be utterly clueless :|
[09:11] <Lure> mornfall: nice try... ;-) this is not bugzilla...
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just opened an avi/xvid file, an ogm file, an wmv file, and everything is nice.......
[09:11] <mornfall> i know it's not bugzilla
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you install the new kaffeine-xine ????
[09:12] <mornfall> Lure: but a custom bug view is a fairly basic thing
[09:12] <mornfall> Lure: like, what you do when you have 200 bugs?
[09:12] <Lure> mornfall: cry?
[09:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: installing kaffeine-xine fixes it, we need kaffeine to depend on a versioned kaffeine-xine
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;) I would have done the oposite :) making kaffeine-xine depending kaffeine
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing that right now
[09:14] <Tonio_> but first, gonna eat or I will die :)
[09:15] <Lure> Riddell: interesting - in my case kaffeine-xine was auto upgraded
[09:15] <Lure> you did not have it installed before?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: I think riddell didn't upgrade using my repo, and simply installed "kaffeine"
[09:16] <Tonio_> that's the reason
[09:16] <Tonio_> actually kaffeine-xine depends on kaffeine, but not the oposite
[09:16] <Lure> ok, I got it for free as I use your repo for nm
[09:16] <Lure> ;-)
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: so if you update, that works
[09:16] <Riddell> hmm, news.bbc.co.uk media player doesn't want to work for me with new kaffeine
[09:17] <Lure> should it depend the opposite? what if you use gstreamer?
[09:17] <Riddell> crashes konqueror
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will make deep tests toonight
[09:17] <Riddell> Lure: if we get the gstreamer plugin again it should depend on kaffine-xine | kaffeine-gstreamer
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: got it!
[09:18] <Riddell> ah, we want kaffeine-xine to depend on = kaffeine version not >=
[09:18] <mornfall> trac is not optimal but it seems to be a lot better anyway
[09:20] <mornfall> and it's in python
[09:21] <verwilst> well
[09:21] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably remove nm-applet/knetworkmanager packages - or not?
[09:21] <verwilst> i love the work you guys keep pouring into kubuntu!
[09:21] <verwilst> so keep up the good work!
[09:21] <verwilst> now i'm going to a friend's birthday party
[09:21] <verwilst> wish me luck on finding some nice girls
[09:21] <verwilst> :d
[09:21] <verwilst> ;)
[09:22] <verwilst> ( i congratulated you guys, it's the least you can do in return! )
[09:22] <verwilst> hehe ;)
[09:24] <sebas> Girls only distract from coding.
[09:25] <verwilst> well, i usually have the opposite :p
[09:25] <verwilst> i'm more productive when i have a girl
[09:25] <verwilst> :p
[09:25] <verwilst> not in quantity, but in quality ;)
[09:25] <sebas> Mine is away for the weekend, a friend has come by and we're hacking along.
[09:25] <verwilst> cool :)
[09:25] <sebas> Yeah :)
[09:26] <verwilst> anyways, got to run, 2 minutes left to be at a friend's house! :p
[09:26] <sebas> hf :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: eating and making the changes
[09:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: that may end up with messed up keyboard ;-)
[09:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: does news.bbc video work for you?
[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: crashes
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://jt.france2.fr/13h/
[09:34] <Tonio_> french news work for me :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> we need to test a few other video websites
[09:34] <Riddell> yeah but who needs the french news, it's all just more riots :)
[09:40] <Lure> mornfall: is "could not find mime/type" with adept 1.91 expected?
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well videos work on lots of websites for me, but konqueror is generally crashing when changing page
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I confirm it doesn't work on news.bbc
[09:51] <Riddell> working but crashing when changing page is normal
[09:51] <Riddell> news.bbc worked with 0.7 though
[09:51] <Riddell> kmplayer works fine with news.bbc on the other hand
[09:51] <Riddell> although the kmplayer standalone user interface is not great
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: only if your system is broken :)
[09:52] <Riddell> hapo: kmplayer-app isn't needed and kmplayer package is empty
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: but otherwise yes
[09:52] <Tonio_> kmplayer is way better for embedded videos
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: tell Riddell 
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: i told him ;-)
[09:52] <toma> kmplayer rocks
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't the god solution having both ?
[09:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: hardly ideal but maybe we should do that
[09:52] <Tonio_> kmplayer for streaming and kaffeine for local ?
[09:52] <Lure> Riddell: my system is broken (confirmed by mornfall) ;-)
[09:53] <Riddell> Lure: I can't recreate that problem
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: when I'm saying "ideal" I mean "regarding bugs, the ideal blabla" ;)
[09:53] <Riddell> which is a pain
[09:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I'm not convinced by this latest kmplayer........;
[09:54] <Tonio_> gui is "strange" on smoe points, and all those encoding functions are not of any use, and duplicate already insalled stuff...
[09:55] <Riddell> yes
[09:55] <Tonio_> I don't see, in fact, what is "better" with this version........
[09:55] <mornfall> Riddell: happens on many systems... hobbsee would confirm if she was there
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: kmplayer or kaffeine?
[09:55] <Tonio_> kaffeine
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: so lets stay with kaffine 0.7 I guess
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: waiting for dapper+1, I think that's better
[09:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we should consider kmplayer for konqueror :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> which is really, really great
[10:00] <mornfall> Lure: anything else with new adept? :-)
[10:00] <mornfall> Lure: hammer on it
[10:01] <mornfall> especially if you own some sort of AMD cpu
[10:01] <mornfall> sempron = best
[10:01] <Tonio_> Could not find mime type
[10:01] <Tonio_> application/octet-stream
[10:01] <mornfall> Tonio_: tell Riddell 
[10:01] <Tonio_> I have that too Lure ;)
[10:01] <Lure> mornfall: it seems to start faster - I am more apt-get user,
[10:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm lure's issue, just upgraded and adept doesn't work anymore
[10:01] <Lure> mornfall: I have i386
[10:01] <Riddell> wah
[10:01] <mornfall> Tonio_: huh? :)
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: it should work
[10:02] <Lure> Tonio_: doesn't work or just warning
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: just dismiss the dialog
[10:02] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes, after the error, it works (second try)
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: what happened in the first try?
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure: I though doesn't work, but next attempts, it is just warning
[10:02] <mornfall> damnit what happened first time
[10:02] <Tonio_> mornfall: error message and nothing happened....... I had to relaunch adept
[10:03] <mornfall> Tonio_: please recover your .xsession-errors before its late
[10:03] <mornfall> i need the data
[10:03] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[10:03] <mornfall> as much as i can get that is
[10:03] <Lure> mornfall: is adept updater gone - I just see adept in system menu (and adept notifier)
[10:03] <mornfall> Lure: it's available through notifier only
[10:03] <mornfall> Lure: i did not invent that
[10:04] <Lure> make sense...
[10:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: I backed it up :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: but don't consider my computer as an example, I did so many tests that my profile is completly crappy
[10:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: it should not hang at start anyway
[10:06] <mornfall> Tonio_: if you can extract the relevant output and paste it, i would be happy :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: let me have a look :)
[10:06] <mornfall> Tonio_: i spent hours hunting down those damn elusive startup bugs
[10:06] <mornfall> if there's some left i want to know about it
[10:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: I know kdesu isn't your best friend ;)
[10:06] <mornfall> problem is that it never happens on my machine
[10:07] <mornfall> not with sudo, not with upstream kdesu and not with kubuntu kdesu
[10:07] <Tonio_> mornfall: guess what ? :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> no pb with sudo adept
[10:07] <mornfall> what? :-)
[10:07] <mornfall> Tonio_: that's nothing new
[10:07] <mornfall> Tonio_: the problem is in root's ksycoca i bet
[10:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: but that's besides the point, there's a different issue that causes startup problems
[10:08] <mornfall> i have probably fixed a kdbgstream related deadlock
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: good news ;)
[10:08] <mornfall> but if there's something left, it could use fixing :)
[10:08] <Tonio_> adept %i %m -caption "%c" -> mime problem
[10:08] <Tonio_> kdesu adept -> no problem
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall:  I would suggest simply patching the desktop file
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: no ?
[10:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: what about %m?
[10:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: can you remove it and retry?
[10:09] <Tonio_> yes
[10:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: %i and -caption is fairly useful
[10:09] <mornfall> %m is useless relict on the other hand :-))
[10:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: no, still the problem
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: oh yew
[10:10] <Tonio_> but simply "kdesu adept" is perfect
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: i would like to have the faulty component fixed :)
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: why not simply using this ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: testing option by option :)
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: sudo --icon adept -caption works or breaks?
[10:10] <mornfall> err
[10:10] <mornfall> sudo adept ...
[10:11] <Tonio_> mornfall: so here is the point :
[10:11] <Tonio_> kdesu adept in K menu works for me
[10:11] <Tonio_> but "adept" and "use different user" checked, doesn't work :)
[10:12] <mornfall> hah
[10:13] <mornfall> either way, if this doesn't get fixed till rc, i'll flip it for rc
[10:14] <mornfall> in .desktop
[10:14] <mornfall> Tonio_: so now for the hang :)
[10:14] <mornfall> or crash
[10:14] <mornfall> or what it was
[10:14] <mornfall> that's more interesting
[10:15] <toma> i'm motivated
[10:15] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay, tests finished
[10:15] <Tonio_> mornfall: ALL options are faulty :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> only "adept" with no option works
[10:16] <mornfall> i can promise beers for important info leading to bug resolution :-)
[10:16] <Tonio_> adept  %i, adept  %m or adept "%c"
[10:16] <Tonio_> all of that is creating the issue
[10:17] <mornfall> as usual ;-)
[10:17] <Tonio_> mornfall: what is the need of those options in fact ?
[10:18] <mornfall> Tonio_: translated captions for one i think
[10:18] <mornfall> Tonio_: and overriding app icons in .desktop file
[10:18] <Tonio_> but what actually uses it ?
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: it's standard kde
[10:19] <Tonio_> simple "adept" works exactly the same for me........
[10:19] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: the app with such desktop file will get the desktop's icon and caption
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: makes customisation easier
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: (without the options, you would have to change binaries)
[10:20] <Riddell> "Accepted network-manager 0.6.1-0ubuntu1"
[10:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: when can we upload knetworkmanager?
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is wpasupplicant in main now ? cause the actuall nm package ftbfs without wpasupplicant
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can ust now :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> as long as I'm sure it builds correctly ;)
[10:21] <Riddell> wpasupplicant is in main
[10:21] <Lure> Riddell: did n-m build? 
[10:21] <Lure> ok, then it probably went through...
[10:22] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/network-manager/0.6.1-0ubuntu1  dep-wait
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing knm build now, and if it is okay, we can upload it
[10:25] <Tonio_> mornfall: adept-_installer craches very often for me actually........
[10:25] <mornfall> uhmh
[10:25] <mornfall> that'd be first ever reported crash in _installer
[10:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: I will recreate my profile........ it is too crappy
[10:26] <mornfall> Tonio_: get me details *before* that
[10:26] <mornfall> even if the profile is borked the data is valuable
[10:26] <mornfall> borked profile may expose otherwise hard to reproduce bugs
[10:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: simply clicking in it a few times and then the windows dissapears
[10:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: no error message, nothing
[10:28] <mornfall> Tonio_: backtrace? sudo gdb adept_installer to run it
[10:28] <Tonio_> mornfall: testing
[10:31] <mornfall> still no crash
[10:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: just craches
[10:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: about 50 clicks needed ;)
[10:32] <mornfall> right
[10:33] <mornfall> Tonio_: culprit -- back to program selection
[10:33] <Tonio_> culprit ?
[10:33] <mornfall>       n : someone who perpetrates wrongdoing [syn: {perpetrator}] 
[10:34] <mornfall> :-)
[10:34] <mornfall> anyhow, i now know where the problem is
[10:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: it mostly happen when changing the application selection from kde to gnome or the oposite
[10:36] <mornfall> Tonio_: it will happen after applying changes reliably -- only matter of time
[10:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay ;)
[10:37] <mornfall> as usual a stupid bug
[10:37] <mornfall> i'll hopefully have a patch in 5 minutes or so
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: libnm-util-dev missing, and knetworkmanager doesn't build
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to wait for network-manager to be built
[10:43] <Riddell> ok, fair enough
[10:43] <Riddell> would be cool to have knetworkmanager in for flight 6
[10:44] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I'm finally getting to looking at the system:// thing...
[10:44] <Tonio_> jtshaw: ok cool ;)
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be okay for tomorrow, we just need nm to be built
[10:45] <mornfall> (once i test the patch)
[10:45] <mornfall> and it turns out to work :))
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: about flight 6, do you think about adding knm by default ?
[10:49] <Tonio_> jtshaw: that's a vey annoying bug ;)
[10:50] <Tonio_> jtshaw: have you well understood what is needed exactly ? I haven't been very clear this afternoon I think
[10:52] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/36639
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36639 in ept adept "Kubuntu 6.04 DapperAdept Manager not always accessible" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[10:52] <mornfall> ^^ what should i make out of that?
[10:53] <Riddell> mornfall: yes, can upload a fix
[10:54] <jtshaw> Tonio_: More explination couldn't hurt
[10:54] <jtshaw> Tonio_: Your patch is in the patch file already right? (my internet connection is being slow.. source package is still downloading...)
[10:54] <Lure> jtshaw: Tonio_ left....
[10:55] <jtshaw> opps...
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure gets the beastie master of the day award
[10:56] <Lure> Riddell: since Tonio_ is not here - what is the fastest way to get debug build (-g) of the package 
[10:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll follow ubuntu for where we install network-manager
[10:56] <Riddell> which is currently on live and ship
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: ;-) only when I know how to build debug builds...
[10:58] <Lure> df
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: which -g package needed ?
[10:59] <Lure> knm
[10:59] <Lure> I would think I can pass CFLAGS=-g somehow
[10:59] <Tonio_> you need a debug version ?
[10:59] <Lure> yes
[11:00] <Tonio_> hum, need to check sources for this, but I can do it
[11:00] <Lure> I thought this is the same for all packages...
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: it is a configure option, I can build the package if you want
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I would rather do it myself in case I need multiple tries...
[11:02] <jtshaw> Tonio_: Is there a bug report with on launchpad with the full description of the problem?
[11:02] <Tonio_> lure : CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are set to "-g -Wall -O2" by default. (from cdbs documentation)
[11:03] <Tonio_> but adding this : COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS := --debug
[11:03] <Tonio_> could dothe job
[11:03] <Tonio_> jtshaw: there are so many ;)
[11:03] <Tonio_> jtshaw: want a resume in private ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> that'll be easier
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: so -g option is the default........
[11:04] <jtshaw> tonio_ sure
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: interesting, why I did not get stack trace with that crash - will start from fresh knm install again
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks.
[11:05] <Tonio_> Lure: add the --debug configure option in rules
[11:07] <Lure> Tonio_: BTW, you should update chaneglog (still note about of noVPN)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Added patches/kubuntu_02_noVPN.patch to remove vpn support
[11:09] <Tonio_> what's the problem ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> the patch is still there :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> did we actually make vpn working ?
[11:09] <Lure> but we should remove it - n-m has VPN support
[11:10] <Lure> but you are right, we need to wait for n-m build, then we can test our build
[11:10] <Tonio_> hu ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> vpn working ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> interesting
[11:10] <Lure> exactly - Keybuk decided tha VPN is not an issue anymore and included it
[11:10] <Lure> we were all suprised
[11:10] <Tonio_> great ;)
[11:11] <Tonio_> Lure: updating the package
[11:11] <Tonio_> thanks for the info
[11:12] <Lure> Tonio_: will not build unless you have n-m-dev from offical repo (with VPN headers)
[11:12] <Lure> I have compiled it myself manually today w/o problems (no patches at all)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Lure: that's wy I updated source package only :)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Lure: how many hours is the cycle for packages to be build ?
[11:14] <Tonio_> 6 hours I think ?
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want a knetworkmanager entry in the kmenu ? or do I hide it like adept_updater -as it autostarts)
[11:22] <Riddell> hide it
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:25] <Lure_> Tonio_: stack trace is there (not sure where I was looking last time)
[11:25] <Lure_> Dialog crashes on QDialog::show
[11:25] <Tonio_> hum.......
[11:26] <Lure_> I suspect dialog is not properly constructed for my case (WPA2-PSK)
[11:26] <Lure_> will also send stack trace to Timo (author)
[11:40] <Lure_> Tonio_: nice, it does not crash under valgrind
[11:40] <Lure_> but luckily, valgrind has lot's to tell about him... ;-)