[12:03] <solt> so if i had a choice between in-kernel ntfs and ext3, i'd choose ext3. having captive-ntfs to it, i'd choose captive-ntfs
[12:03] <solt> that's my 0.03$
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: it's also very slow
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: and crappy
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: about 50% slower
[12:04] <fatejudger> solt: Windows external ext3 support doesn't decrease in speed
[12:05] <solt> well, because it's a driver, not a wrapper. that's a point.
[12:05] <fatejudger> solt: which is why my setup is faster and better
[12:06] <solt> not always, you are not counting the time to shutdown/reboot/boot/copy
[12:06] <fatejudger> solt: ?
[12:06] <fatejudger> solt: why would I need to shutdown and reboot?
[12:06] <solt> copying directly gives you the opportunity, to copy to the drive, shutdown, and take it some place else :-)
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: try putting your files in "/home/windows/Windows 2000 Professional" it might be easier for you to dowload VMware Workstation Trial then create the virtual machine and then uninstall it and install VMware player
[12:06] <solt> because you'd might be taking the disk to another place (not booting it, but attaching to another computer)
[12:07] <solt> that's my scenario 2 years ago
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: right, so I might be taking my INTERNAL HD somewhere else
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: and someone or another I wouldn't have an internet connection
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: to install the Windows ext3 drivers
[12:07] <solt> :-)
[12:07] <fatejudger> solt: sounds like a VERY likely scenario to me
[12:07] <solt> well, you're right.
[12:07] <Snake__> Hey guys, someone want to trouble shoot?
[12:07] <solt> hehe
[12:08] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ wine
[12:08] <Snake__> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:08] <fatejudger> solt: and well worth the slowness associate with NTFS wrappers
[12:08] <fatejudger> solt: :P
[12:08] <sebastian> I think I am getting some where, because I just tryed it.  and got a message saying I didn't have enough disk space or whatever.  so about to change the RAM setting
[12:10] <Snake__> anyone?
[12:10] <solt> Snake__: ask da question :-)
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : how much ram do you have ? anything less than 128 for the vm will make it unusably slow
[12:10] <solt> Snake__: eg. don't ask to ask, just ask.
[12:10] <Snake__> solt: I did
[12:10] <sebastian> not sure how much RAM I have
[12:10] <sebastian> how to find out?
[12:11] <Snake__> solt: lookie:
[12:11] <holy_fool> reboot ^^
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> Hey guys, someone want to trouble shoot?
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < solt> hehe
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ wine
[12:11] <Snake__> [18:07]  < Snake__> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:11] <solt> Snake__: aah, sorry, my eyes are tired by now
[12:11] <me2win> !restricted
[12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:12] <sebastian> I bet there is some command prompt command to find out how much RAM I have?
[12:12] <Snake__> sebastian: "top"
[12:12] <Guest483> hi, kann mir wohl jemand bei der live cd helfen?
[12:13] <Snake__> very informative
[12:13] <solt> sebastian: free
[12:13] <Snake__> !de
[12:13] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[12:13] <solt> wow, the bot recognized german language ?
[12:13] <Snake__> solt: smart bot aint it?
[12:13] <zangetsu001> hi
[12:13] <Snake__> :)
[12:13] <Guest483> could anyone help me with the live cd of kubuntu?
[12:13] <holy_fool> na wie geht denn das
[12:13] <holy_fool> hilfe
[12:14] <Snake__> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <holy_fool> it was snake
[12:14] <Snake__> hehe
[12:14] <holy_fool> =)
[12:14] <solt> my turn
[12:14] <_mindspin> !de
[12:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[12:14] <solt> szukam pomocy
[12:14] <Phazeman> does anybody know for some alternative to chkconfig in kubuntu/ubuntu ?
[12:14] <holy_fool> !pl
[12:14] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu.pl
[12:14] <solt> :-)
[12:14] <solt> hehe
[12:15] <holy_fool> =)
[12:15] <Snake__> anywho, i g2g guys
[12:15] <Snake__> peace
[12:15] <solt> cool, does he know anything about cyryllic
[12:15] <solt> !ru
[12:15] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. # russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[12:15] <solt> nope :-)
[12:15] <holy_fool> gotta question for what purpose do i need 4 desktops (virtual)
[12:16] <solt> holy_fool: well, if you have several windows on one desktop
[12:17] <holy_fool> im a native windows user alt+tab is my natur =)
[12:17] <solt> you may want to move one or two windows to another desktop, so as not to clutter it up
[12:17] <solt> example
[12:17] <solt> i am running amarok, a couple of terminal sessions, IM, Konversation, and say a browser
[12:18] <solt> if i am not using amarok,IM and the browser heavily i can move it to another desktop
[12:18] <holy_fool> or just minimize it, but its only my opinion
[12:18] <sNake> i didnt do nothin
[12:18] <sNake> ;)
[12:18] <sebastian> getting the message.  saying it carn't find anything to boot from again
[12:18] <sebastian> hummmmmmmm
[12:18] <holy_fool> i thought there is maybe a special purpose for it
[12:18] <solt> the point is not to minimize i think.
[12:19] <solt> anyway, you'll find out, with time all the things that are here show a reason they have been coded.
[12:19] <holy_fool> ok thx
[12:20] <solt> i wonder if dapper or dapper+1 will ship a -ck kernel
[12:20] <solt> i really see an improvement with -ck kernels
[12:20] <crimsun> no, we won't ship a -ck
[12:21] <solt> what is the reason?
[12:21] <crimsun> because one kernel source is enough headache?
[12:22] <Phazeman> can someone please suggest some kind of web based PIM server for ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[12:22] <sebastian> this is how I tell VMware player  where the ISO  yes?  ide1:0.fileName = "/home/sebastian/W2POEM_EN.iso"
[12:22] <sebastian> where the ISO is
[12:22] <Phazeman> anyone please ?
[12:23] <sebastian> ide1:0 means though?
[12:23] <_mindspin> what's a PIM server?
[12:23] <Blissex> solt: -ck kernel not bad, there are several other things that can improve things greatly.
[12:23] <solt> personal information management. i think he's referring to an application to store/access/modify/publish his personal information, like name/addresses/etc (a guess)
[12:24] <holy_fool> how do i get a write permision for /usr/share/wallpapers
[12:24] <Blissex> solt: these suggestions make a lot of difference: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051008
[12:24] <solt> well, here's what i have done: -ck kernel, prelink, ati.com drivers, turn off some effects
[12:25] <solt> Blissex: i'll check it out, thanks
[12:25] <Blissex> holy_fool: don't, put wallpapers in your own directory....
[12:25] <holy_fool> ?
[12:26] <holy_fool> than where to?
[12:26] <_mindspin> "/home/holy_fool/wallpapers"
[12:26] <bytewalker> guyz i turned the mouse accelerattion to max in system settings, but i have a touchpad and it still works SUPER slow
[12:26] <bytewalker> any ideas?
[12:26] <holy_fool> k thx
[12:27] <Phazeman> _mindspin: it;s some personal information manager
[12:27] <Phazeman> solt: yes i do
[12:28] <Blissex> holy_fool: most KDE directories have a per-user counterpart under '~/.kde/'
[12:28] <solt> ok, lower read-ahead make some sense, i am using cfq, my computer does not use swap at all, so swappiness and swap-ahead logic is kind of useless here.
[12:28] <Blissex> solt: then not much else needs doing. Perhaps this:
[12:28] <Blissex> solt: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-1st.html#060323
[12:29] <Blissex> holy_fool: have you seen the 'Get new wallpapers' in the desktop configuration panel?
[12:30] <bytewalker> !tell bytewalker about wireless
[12:30] <bytewalker> yay
[12:30] <holy_fool> hehe cool thanks
[12:30] <solt> hmm
[12:30] <Blissex> holy_fool: also, you can select wallpapers from _any_ directory. using the ''browse'' button next to 'Background:Picture'
[12:30] <solt> !tell solt about wireless
[12:30] <holy_fool> only local director
[12:30] <holy_fool> y
[12:31] <solt> :-)
[12:31] <Blissex> holy_fool: there are actually _three_ rules where to put things...
[12:31] <holy_fool> but i have an dir for wallpaper in my home dir now
[12:31] <Blissex> holy_fool: 1) under /bin, /lib ... and /usr never put stuff that you install manually, only via the package system.
[12:32] <Blissex> holy_fool: 2) for manually installed stuff that can be used by all login names, put stuff under '/usr/local'.
[12:32] <Blissex> holy_fool: 3) for manually installed stuff for one use, put it under their home dir.
[12:32] <holy_fool> hm cool thanks for the advice
[12:33] <borelia> anyone use Tor ?
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> How to change/customize the image (the big K) for the K Menu in KDE?
[12:35] <solt> Blissex: hm, this patch is not in 2.6.16 (exactly 2 months now since publishing to lkml) I won't experiment with it. Have you applied that?
[12:36] <Blissex> solt: yes and makes things a lot better when doing a lot of writes, like disk-disk backups or compiles...
[12:40] <holy_fool> isthere alsow a utton for more screensaver?
[12:41] <solt> the only i/o problems i am experiencing now are when i try to run something (like adept) having a bunch of apps running (+2 cpu-eaters: boinc+cpushare). the load is around 2 to 3. the sound is playing fine, applications all are ok, but the app that is going to be started (like adept) take soo much time to start. that's all.
[12:41] <solt> i reduced read-ahead, if it won't help, i try that patch. saving it now :-)
[12:41] <bytewalker> is therea metapackage to install all the stuff i need to compile C programs?
[12:42] <solt> bytewalker: well, just gcc should get gcc and dependencies
[12:43] <solt> this will give you gcc-4.0.1
[12:43] <solt> if you need earlier versions just fetch gcc-3.4
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : can you boot up and get the vmware bios ?
[12:44] <sebastian> I nearlly left
[12:45] <sebastian> vmware bios how to get that
[12:45] <bytewalker> is it a bad idea to use debian repositories?
[12:45] <sebastian> and I think it might be the disk that is cuasing me problems
[12:45] <bytewalker> kubuntu doesnt seem to have alot of stuff
[12:45] <solt> bytewalker: have you enabled universe and multiverse repositories?
[12:45] <sebastian> you can get loads of programs for any Linux distro
[12:48] <sebastian> I think I am going to do all this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b
[12:52] <spiritz> I'd like to use the daap:/ ioslave, however it seems to be absent from my distribution (daap:/ triggers google search). Does anyone knows more about that?
[12:52] <solt> hmm, i just noticed that some strange hosts created pages on my wiki setup. another worm? some people are just braindead
[12:52] <solt> what is daap?
[12:53] <Simian__> !daap
[12:53] <ubotu> Simian__: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:53] <solt> !42
[12:53] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, solt
[12:54] <jtshaw> heh
[12:54] <solt> intriguing...
[12:54] <Simian__> !beer
[12:54] <jtshaw> Hi Mr. ubotu, my cat's name is Beamish
[12:54] <jtshaw> :)
[12:54] <Simian__> lol
[12:54] <spiritz> solt : DAAP is the itunes music sharing protocol
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : and you didn't do it before ?
[12:55] <solt> thanks
[12:55] <Simian__> can i aks a none kubuntu question?
[12:56] <Simian__> i have been playing around with apache and i've got 1 linux box reading web pages from another over a lan, but how would i let anyone view those pages?
[12:57] <Simian__> do i need a static ip or something or can i just set it up now?
[12:57] <spiritz> Simian__: all u have to do is to give out your ip to some else so he can connect
[12:57] <sebastian> I don't understand a part of that tutorial
[12:57] <solt> Simian__: well, if you're IP is private (like 192.168.1.2, or 10.2.3.4) then you would need to have a DNAT rule on your router
[12:58] <Simian__> yes it's 192.168.and so on
[12:58] <solt> yes
[12:58] <sebastian> where to store the images part. that's confussing with the commands it has given so on.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b
[12:59] <solt> so, there is a router on your network that has a public IP
[12:59] <Simian__> solt:  where would i find that
[12:59] <solt> so you have to make the router forward packets incomming to it to your computer
[12:59] <solt> do you have access to the router? does it have port forwarding? is it linux by any chance?
[12:59] <sebastian> anyone go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu#head-bb5f242664002ce9fc9d070468856d05f6144e7b  and tell me what it is trying to get me to do.  the store the images part that is
[01:00] <sebastian> the commands it has given so on is confussing
[01:00] <Simian__> it's a lynksys
[01:00] <holy_fool> what packer do i use best under linux?
[01:00] <Simian__> i think that's linux isn't it?
[01:00] <sebastian> it's not being clear where to cd so on
[01:01] <solt> linksys, maybe it runs linux..., anyway what you need is to create a mapping
[01:01] <solt> let's say your public IP on the router is 150.160.170.180
[01:01] <spiritz> Simian__: you have to connect to the admin website of ur linksys, and tell him to redirect port 80 from public internet to your webserver ip. Or you can type its ip as DMZ, so everything coming from the internet will  connect to it.
[01:02] <solt> so you have to make it forward packets from 150.160.180.180, port 80 TCP to 192.168.2.3, port 80 TCP
[01:02] <solt> yes, like spiritz says
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: just telling you to create some directories you could do mkdir -p ~/vmware/windows then cd ~/vmware/windows
[01:02] <Simian__> ok i think i can follow that
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : But then you would have to change the location in the config file
[01:04] <sebastian> I just done what it said
[01:04] <sebastian> in my home folder
[01:04] <sebastian> and I had some vmware folder from before
[01:05] <sebastian> the image is how much space I am going to give 2k yes?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : whats the problem then ? If you copied just every command from the wiki then it would work
[01:06] <sebastian> that's what I should of done I guess
[01:06] <sebastian> ,but
[01:06] <sebastian> I didn't
[01:06] <Simian__> solt: my router has DMZ Host IP Address (enter address here)
[01:06] <sebastian> did the first bit, but not the last
[01:06] <Simian__> solt: is that what i'm looking for?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : You would then have a windows installation called dapper
[01:07] <sebastian> I know obviouslly some things I will be doing differently
[01:07] <sebastian> like instead of calling the folder dapper I called it windows2000profesional for example
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : are you installing from cd or iso ?
[01:07] <sebastian> I can do either.  the CD or ISO
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> sebastian :iso is probably faster
[01:08] <holy_fool> how do i execute executable files?
[01:08] <sebastian> that's what I thought.  since it don't have to do it from a CD
[01:08] <jindiaz> hey umm which is faster to use, or easier, rpm or gz?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : so have you made the image
[01:08] <sebastian> the image file. is how much space I give it yes?
[01:09] <sebastian> it says something about it getting bigger as more stuff goes there.  or does it mean.  when more things are put there in 2k?
[01:09] <sebastian> ,but the actsual space 2k has will be the same that I give it?
[01:11] <Simian__> how can i find out my routers ip address?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> sebasian: just give it a fixed size
[01:11] <jindiaz> anyone?
[01:11] <sebastian> how much space doesk 2k take when it's installed?
[01:11] <sebastian> 6GB I was thinking, but that's quite a bit for 2k and well I won't be using it for much
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : mine is 4gb and hardly any of it is used
[01:12] <sebastian> 4GB
[01:12] <sebastian> sounds good
[01:12] <solt> Simian__: Um, if i understand correctly, this is a place to put your IP to make the router forward packets to. I think so. I have limited experience with these devices, i usually have computer servers running as routers, but give it a shot :-)
[01:13] <sebastian> ok the image is created now it seems
[01:13] <jindiaz> .
[01:13] <jindiaz> anyone?
[01:13] <jindiaz> .
[01:13] <solt> btw, anybody got opera9 (weekly snapshots) running on kubuntu?
[01:13] <solt> jindiaz: on kubuntu we use .deb
[01:14] <jindiaz> uh oh
[01:14] <tristanmike> jindiaz, rpm's are designed for Red Hat and the like, .deb is what we use, and .gz, bz2 are compression formats
[01:14] <jindiaz> ummm im trying to install kbarcode
[01:14] <solt> rpm is a redhat-made format, you could install software from rpm, but i would discourage
[01:14] <solt> if you can't have deb, go for tar.gz
[01:14] <solt> it propably contains sources to compile
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : I would get rid of what you don't need in windows - (sound / usb) usb makes it dog slow to bootup
[01:15] <sebastian> I want sound though
[01:15] <sebastian> for my game
[01:15] <jindiaz> ok cool thats there
[01:15] <jindiaz> ummm how do yu do that?
[01:15] <sebastian> USB you mean the USB stick for example?
[01:15] <jindiaz> sry styll new, havenmt installed anything like this yet
[01:15] <jindiaz> been primarily using adept
[01:16] <Phazeman> could someone please try sshing to phazeman.kicks-ass.net
[01:16] <Phazeman> ?
[01:16] <solt> well, tar.gz file is a compressed archive, which you should extract, and see what's in it
[01:16] <solt> it's like zip or rar, so no automatic gizmos there
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : Yeah you can still access it in linux anyway
[01:17] <solt> to uncompress a tar.gz file try in shell: tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[01:17] <solt> in case of tar.bz2 type: tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : Have you never thought of trying to get stuff working and then adding stuff that is not necessary afterwards
[01:17] <solt> usually these archives contain sources, and in these there might be an instruction what to do in a file called README, INSTALL or something similar
[01:17] <sebastian> not really I don't think
[01:17] <jindiaz> uhhhhh okkk.. so in the console, just type that command in?
[01:17] <solt> what is it that you are trying to extract?
[01:18] <jindiaz> o man that would be nice, let me check
[01:18] <jindiaz> kbarcode
[01:18] <solt> jindiaz: yes, provided you are in the path where that file is, if not, provide the path
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : also games under vmware are dog slow
[01:18] <solt> jindiaz: kbarcode is in the repositories, you do not have to do that
[01:19] <solt> sudo apt-get install kbarcode
[01:19] <jindiaz> AWWWWWWWWWW man, damn why didnt it come up in adept?  ok, maybe, how do yu search the repositories?  is there another way or something?
[01:19] <jindiaz> hey thanks again man btw
[01:19] <sebastian> well i'll try it on VMware.  and if it don't work good well
[01:20] <sebastian> I can either use it how it is
[01:20] <sebastian> or
[01:20] <sebastian> boot up crappy XP
[01:20] <sebastian> dual boot that is
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> sebastian what game is it ?
[01:20] <sebastian> an old game so shoudn't be to bad under VMware I expect.  altough they  come out with a lot of patches now
[01:20] <sebastian> have done
[01:20] <sebastian> Worms Armaggeddon
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: just give me the location of the files and I will write a config file for you to try in a min
[01:24] <solt> jindiaz: apt-cache search kbarcode
[01:24] <solt> apt-cache search <phrase>
[01:24] <solt> :-)
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : what the filename for the disk and iso are (and there locations)
[01:25] <sebastian> oh right
[01:25] <sebastian> ok
[01:27] <chouette> hiho
[01:28] <jindiaz> ooooooooooooo really!  cool, thanks man!
[01:29] <chouette> Can someone help me to make my heaphones work ? sound works but the headphone doesnt...is there something to do so it can be recognize ?
[01:31] <sebastian> ok    /home/sebastian/vmware/qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmdk and /home/sebastian/W2POEM_EN.ISO  I hope the ISO will work.  since I was sent it from someone in Canada :D
[01:32] <sebastian> 1
[01:34] <sebastian> still here h3sp4wn?
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> yep
[01:34] <sebastian> so doing the file?
[01:35] <sebastian> can 2k in vmware.  for sound use Linux?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> maybe
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> it can in linux I don't know whether it can with arts or esd
[01:36] <sebastian> by the wy where you from and how old?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> England 24
[01:37] <sebastian> England 18 I am.  where in England?
[01:37] <solt> i bet you guys are neighbours :-)
[01:37] <solt> or better yet: brothers
[01:37] <sebastian> brothers nah.
[01:37] <sebastian> my brother is to ignorant at computers to be in here
[01:38] <sebastian> :d
[01:39] <chouette> and if someone know how to install java...i found a lot of java things whit Adept but i dont know wich one is useful to install Java runtime environnmt ?
[01:40] <sebastian> Java never liked installing that on Windows.  on Linux it can be a bit of a thing to hummm
[01:40] <sebastian> Java
[01:40] <sebastian> you want for your browser yes
[01:40] <sebastian> you use Firefox or?
[01:41] <chouette> yes, but for somme applications too
[01:41] <chouette> yes firefox
[01:41] <sebastian> well I got it installed for my FIrefox and stuff
[01:42] <sebastian> this should be of help:  http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2
[01:43] <sebastian> h3sp4wn still here?  I thought you said you were going to make me a file?
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10733 - save it as qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmx
[01:44] <sebastian> ok
[01:44] <sebastian> cheers
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> You are pretty impatient and starting to annoy me
[01:44] <sebastian> :D
[01:47] <sebastian> you forgot/missed ide0:0.fileName = "vmware-dapper.vmdk"  ,but I know what to change that to
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Its what happens if you try to something quickly (doing something else that has to have priority)
[01:48] <sebastian> what else you doing?
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> doesn't matter
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : so has that worked ?
[01:51] <sebastian> about to edit the file
[01:52] <sebastian> hummmm  ide0:0.fileName = "vmware-dapper.vmdk"
[01:52] <sebastian> and
[01:52] <sebastian> ide1:0.fileName = "/home/sebastian/vmware/qemu-Windows2000Professional.vmdk"
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> change the second one to the path to the iso
[01:52] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[01:53] <sebastian> the second is the ISO and the first is the vmdk file?
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> anyone care to help with a DVD question?
[01:54] <sebastian> you carn't play DVD's on Kubuntu or Ubuntu yes?
[01:54] <KaoticEvil> dont see why you couldnt
[01:55] <sebastian> is that your problem
[01:55] <sebastian> they won't play?
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> as long as you have the codecs installed, they should play fine
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10736 : thats the fixed one
[01:55] <sebastian> oh right you do have the codecs installed
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> i need to make an image of the DVD on my harddrive
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> basically, rip the entore disc
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> entire*
[01:55] <sebastian> I carn't really help you.  since I Haven't even bothered to set up DVD's on Ubuntu yet :D
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> any suggestions/recommendations on an app to use/try?
[01:56] <sebastian> K3B is a good  CD burning program
[01:56] <sebastian> maybe it makes ISO's to
[01:56] <chouette> What should i chose if i want to install Java from here ? http://java.com/fr/download/index.jsp
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> i tried that...
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> it wont rip a DVD
[01:56] <chouette> http://java.com/fr/download/linux_manual.jsp here sorry
[01:56] <verwilst> congratulations!! :D
[01:56] <sebastian> I don't know French so
[01:56] <verwilst> oh
[01:56] <verwilst> sorry
[01:57] <verwilst> wrong channel
[01:57] <verwilst> hehe
[01:57] <sebastian> rip you mean copy?
[01:57] <sebastian> or make into the ISO?
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> it wont read it at all
[01:58] <sebastian> you want to copy a DVD?
[01:58] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[01:58] <sebastian> GnomeBaker is a CD/DVD writer
[01:58] <sebastian> Gnome :d
[01:58] <sebastian> and your using Kubuntu with KDE aren't you?
[01:58] <sebastian> ,but you can run Gnome Baker on Kubuntu anyway I think
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> i'd be happy enough to just reauthor it to include only the main title and then make that into an iso format that will fit on a DVD5-R
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> actually, ive got gnome installed as well :)
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> but yes, it would run on KDE even without gnom installed
[02:00] <sebastian> I think GnomeBaker will
[02:00] <sebastian> haven't used myself
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : are you going to try it it should work I can't be bothered messing around
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: hi :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hey KaoticEvil
[02:00] <sebastian> yes I will try it now.  was helping this guy
[02:00] <Hobbsee> they screwed the latest version of wpasupplicant!
[02:00] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> that sucks :(
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: you know kubuntu pretty good... would GnomeBaker do what i need?
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> i need to reauthor a DVD and burn it to an ISO
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> its gotta fit on a DVD5-R
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hmm...i've never used gnomebaker
[02:01] <Hobbsee> k3b is pretty good for burning though
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> know of a KDE app that would do it?
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> it wont rip the DVD tho
[02:02] <KaoticEvil> my g/f has netflix man...
[02:02] <KaoticEvil> do the math ;)
[02:02] <sebastian> what am I calling the file
[02:03] <chouette> .rpm are for all Linux distributions  ?
[02:03] <sebastian> something .vmx I guess
[02:03] <sebastian> .rpm is not for Ubuntu/Kubuntu or Debian
[02:03] <sebastian> ,but there is a program called Alien that can get them working
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> .vmx
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> the same as you called the disk
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> .vmx
[02:03] <sebastian> ok
[02:03] <chouette> How do i install something from a rpm pls ?
[02:04] <sebastian> isant' there a tar.gz or something of the program you want?
[02:04] <chouette> yes there is one
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> apt-get install alien ; alien *.rpm
[02:05] <chouette> But i dont know how to use tar.gz too
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i *.deb
[02:05] <chouette> i only know apt-get
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> you need to use alien to convert an rpm to a deb
[02:05] <chouette> apt-get install alien ; alien *.rpm >> this with the name of the rpm instead of * ?
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> yes
[02:06] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. if i install dvdrtoold, it might work :D
[02:06] <jindiaz> hey anyone knoe a good fan speed monitor?
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> then dpkg -i name of the new deb
[02:06] <sebastian> saved the file now i'll try it
[02:08] <jindiaz> actually, how do you install a .bz2 file?
[02:08] <jindiaz> ive never installed from source
[02:09] <solt> bz2 is an archive
[02:09] <sebastian> how to install Linux software
[02:09] <solt> like zip
[02:09] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:09] <solt> you don't install zip files
[02:09] <solt> you unpack them
[02:10] <sebastian> how to install LInux software:  http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:10] <solt> jindiaz: why aren't you using the kubuntu package for kbarcode?
[02:10] <jindiaz> hahaha yah i got that one, im trying out kprobe now
[02:10] <solt> oh
[02:10] <jindiaz> ive been looking for something similar to the asus version
[02:10] <jindiaz> this looks pretty good, wanna give it a test spin
[02:10] <solt> well then
[02:10] <solt> tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[02:10] <solt> cd file
[02:11] <sebastian> hummmmmmmm not a valid virtual machien file
[02:11] <solt> if that's the directory name
[02:11] <sebastian> hummmmmmm
[02:11] <solt> and look for INSTALL or README files
[02:11] <jindiaz> yah the readme says nothing
[02:11] <__mikem> Hello
[02:11] <solt> usually if the source is written to use autoconf and automake the installation boils down to 3 commands
[02:11] <solt> ./configure
[02:11] <solt> make
[02:11] <solt> sudo make install
[02:12] <solt> well, try to look on the website for help
[02:12] <solt> it's a common practice to put installation information on the website and in the tarball (tar file)
[02:12] <__mikem> does anyone know if there are torture test programs like prime95 available for linux
[02:13] <jindiaz> ok cool, umm can yu like help me thru this so i get a feel for it for the future
[02:13] <__mikem> I need to know if my laptop is stable
[02:13] <chouette> how do i know the name of the deb i create with alien ?
[02:14] <sebastian> you mean the rpm
[02:14] <sebastian> deb is Ubuntu Kubuntu Debian so on
[02:14] <sebastian> RPM is Fedora Core  Mandrake/Mandriva so on
[02:14] <sebastian> Redhat
[02:14] <jindiaz> soooooooooo i just write sudo make install into the terminal?
[02:14] <chouette> well i create a deb from a rpm
[02:14] <sebastian> look at this link jindiaz
[02:14] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : get vmware-workstation (If you have already pirated windows 2000 from canada it shouldn't be an issue for you) it will give you it in a nice hold your hand type way
[02:14] <sebastian> it tells you what to do
[02:14] <jindiaz> ok ill check it out
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> it will be the same as the rpm name with .deb on the end
[02:15] <sebastian> I will just edit one of the already made files
[02:15] <sebastian> .vmx
[02:15] <sebastian> and then it should work I hope
[02:15] <sebastian> altough I have thought about maybe piraitng the actasul VMware workstation
[02:15] <sebastian> pirating
[02:15] <sebastian> or buying
[02:15] <sebastian> ,but it's rather expensive
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> you install it using dpkg -i (install the deb with dpkg -i)
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> get the trial and then create the virtual machine then you don't even need it anymore
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> I only have it because someone else paid for it.
[02:17] <jindiaz> erm, how do i make it find the directory, its on my desktop
[02:17] <ryanakca> hmmm.. just checking, but is this conversation ummm... "legal" ?
[02:17] <[Nige] > hello
[02:18] <sebastian> which convo :D
[02:18] <sebastian> are Microsoft 100% legal.  uhmmmmmmm no.  they have broken loads of anti trust laws.  hence why the Europen Commision and so on have tryed to sue them
[02:20] <__mikem> someday linux will take the man (microsoft) down. Haven't you heard the news, they are afraid of us, they are terified
[02:20] <darkmatter137> hello
[02:20] <__mikem> lol
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol
[02:20] <darkmatter137> can someone help me with installing kubuntu dapper drake from a dvd?
[02:20] <[Nige] > does anyone know how to get daul screens and different backgrounds for each monitor working in kubuntu / kde?
[02:20] <sebastian> so pirating 2000 when someone has legal 98 and XP.  I mean so what really.
[02:20] <sebastian> 2000 being like a cross between 98 and XP
[02:21] <darkmatter137> I cant get it to recognize my hard drives
[02:21] <__mikem> um, a lot of dvd drives don't support booting from dvd yet
[02:21] <darkmatter137> oh, it boots from it fine
[02:21] <darkmatter137> loads live fine
[02:21] <__mikem> oh, interesting
[02:21] <__mikem> so what goes wrong
[02:21] <sebastian> Dapper Drake is still in Alpha
[02:21] <sebastian> it's not been released yet
[02:21] <sebastian> June 1st
[02:21] <sebastian> for the Ubuntu one
[02:21] <darkmatter137> ok, the live cd works fine, but when I tell it to install it says device not recognized
[02:21] <ryanakca> Alpha means its still buggy/being tested
[02:21] <jindiaz> argh....
[02:22] <sebastian> yep that's right ryanakca
[02:22] <jindiaz> ok how do i install this thing from the desktop?
[02:22] <ryanakca> hmmm... what device?
[02:22] <darkmatter137> I have a fresh secondary hard drive that i bought specifically for linux
[02:22] <darkmatter137> 250gb
[02:22] <sebastian> altough with open source.  most programs.  when they are in Alpha.  are pretty damn stable so on
[02:22] <jindiaz> the website isnt helping much
[02:22] <jindiaz> lol
[02:22] <__mikem> darkmatter137 does the installer at some point ask you what device/partition you want to install ubuntu on?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> no
[02:23] <ryanakca> jindiaz: what thing?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> you boot from the cd and it gives you several options
[02:23] <chouette> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot). >> It says this when i want to convert with Alien
[02:23] <darkmatter137> live cd, install, install in oem mode, check disk
[02:23] <__mikem> what are those options
[02:23] <sebastian> sudo you mean?
[02:23] <darkmatter137> install server
[02:23] <sebastian> yes you have to sudo
[02:24] <__mikem> ok, so you do install I assume, then what happens
[02:24] <jindiaz> this kprobe app
[02:24] <sebastian> fake root no such thing.  it's called sudo.  and that's root, but for only that thing
[02:24] <jindiaz> ive never installed from a bz2 file
[02:24] <ryanakca> eh hunh. ah, I see
[02:24] <ryanakca> ok
[02:24] <ryanakca> open a console
[02:24] <jindiaz> kool
[02:24] <sebastian> http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/build.html
[02:24] <sebastian> go here jindiaz
[02:24] <jindiaz> no man, ive tried that
[02:24] <jindiaz> lol
[02:24] <chouette> ok now it says file not found lol..
[02:24] <jindiaz> it didnt like work
[02:24] <darkmatter137> I do install, it says device not recognized, i the command line to install to hda, hdb, hdc, hdd, hda1, hdb1, hdc1, hdd1
[02:24] <jindiaz> hjahaha
[02:24] <ryanakca> thanks sebastian
[02:25] <ryanakca> !didnt work
[02:25] <ubotu> ryanakca: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:25] <chouette> I dled the file to my desktop..
[02:25] <darkmatter137> I change*
[02:25] <jindiaz> do i have to put something to make it install from the desktop
[02:25] <jindiaz> ?
[02:25] <__mikem> do you know what the name of the secondary hd is
[02:25] <ryanakca> jindiaz, please be specific
[02:25] <jindiaz> tar xzvf kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2
[02:25] <jindiaz> i put that
[02:25] <darkmatter137> well, in windows its "new volume (F)
[02:25] <ryanakca> even though it would be uber uber cool, I cant read your mind
[02:26] <ryanakca> ah
[02:26] <jindiaz> but it didnt work, how do i make it specfifc to the deskjtiop?
[02:26] <__mikem> it is probably hdb
[02:26] <jindiaz> hahahahahahaha
[02:26] <darkmatter137> and my main hd is C
[02:26] <jindiaz> yah that would be mad helpful
[02:26] <darkmatter137> I tried hdb
[02:26] <darkmatter137> and hdb1
[02:26] <darkmatter137> but it wouldnt recognize
[02:26] <darkmatter137> :/
[02:26] <__mikem> are you sure those drives are mounted
[02:26] <ryanakca> I see, zxvf means extract gzipped file, extract tar file, verbose, use archive file
[02:27] <darkmatter137> is the breezy badger installer easier?
[02:27] <darkmatter137> mounted?
[02:27] <__mikem> the breezy badger installer is easier atleast on cd, never tred dvd
[02:27] <ryanakca> you want "tar xvfj kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2"
[02:27] <jindiaz> ummmm ok... what does that mean exactly, relative newb here.  lol
[02:27] <jindiaz> ok let me try that
[02:27] <__mikem> mounted means is the hard drive loaded and accessable by the computer
[02:27] <__mikem> basicly
[02:27] <darkmatter137> yes
[02:27] <darkmatter137> by my windows system
[02:27] <ryanakca> tar zxvf is for whatever.tar.gz , tar xvfj is for whatever.tar.bz2
[02:28] <darkmatter137> I want to dual boot you see
[02:28] <solt> does anybody know if dapper is goind to have glibc-2.4 ?
[02:28] <darkmatter137> actually, I have the choice of OSX, vista, or linux
[02:28] <darkmatter137> but i chose linux
[02:28] <__mikem> yes, do me a favor, go into the bios and tell me if that drive is a master or a slave
[02:28] <sebastian> you want to dual boot Linux and Windows?
[02:28] <[Nige] > does anyone know how to get daul screens and different backgrounds for each monitor working in kubuntu / kde?
[02:28] <[Nige] > sorry
[02:28] <sebastian> you have a Mac with OS X?
[02:28] <jindiaz> oooooooooo ic ic, wow thats some usful info, going in my notepad, but umm yah that didnt work either
[02:28] <darkmatter137> no
[02:28] <jindiaz> lol
[02:28] <[Nige] > I need to get new repos for kde
[02:28] <darkmatter137> I have a PC
[02:28] <darkmatter137> but, in front of me
[02:28] <sebastian> you have Linux and the Vista Beta on a PC?  and Mac OS X on a Mac?
[02:28] <ryanakca> lol
[02:29] <jindiaz> tar: kprobe-0.2a.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[02:29] <jindiaz> styll got that msg again
[02:29] <darkmatter137> I have the disks for, Vista, OS X, and Dapper Drake kubuntu
[02:29] <[Nige] > good place to find them? I want to upgrade to kde 3.5
[02:29] <darkmatter137> and i chose kubuntu
[02:29] <darkmatter137> to dual boot with my xp
[02:29] <__mikem> darkmatter please go into the bios and tell me if your secondary drive is a master or a slave
[02:29] <koolatron> jindiaz: bunzip2 it first
[02:29] <darkmatter137> mikem
[02:29] <sebastian> I thought you said your dual boot wasn't working
[02:29] <sebastian> ok nevermind
[02:29] <darkmatter137> how would i do that?
[02:29] <__mikem> reboot the computer
[02:29] <sebastian> you want to dual boot with XP?
[02:29] <ryanakca> this channel is scrolling to fast
[02:29] <darkmatter137> k
[02:29] <solt> jindiaz: he's getting no such file, so he's not in the directory where the tar.bz2 file is
[02:29] <ryanakca> heh
[02:29] <solt> either cd to that directory
[02:30] <darkmatter137> then what?
[02:30] <__mikem> hit f1 several times when its flashing the memory
[02:30] <koolatron> solt: ha
[02:30] <solt> or proide a full path
[02:30] <darkmatter137> k
[02:30] <__mikem> did a screen come up
[02:30] <darkmatter137> well, i only have 1 comp
[02:30] <darkmatter137> lol
[02:30] <__mikem> oops
[02:30] <darkmatter137> im writing this down
[02:30] <solt> ok, gotta sleep
[02:31] <solt> bye bye
[02:31] <darkmatter137> bye
[02:31] <__mikem> if the f1 key doesn't work, try the del key
[02:31] <darkmatter137> k
[02:31] <__mikem> my reasoning is, the drive MUST be a secondary master in order for you to install any OS on it
[02:32] <darkmatter137> hmm
[02:32] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:32] <darkmatter137> if it isnt
[02:32] <darkmatter137> can i change it somehow without opening the case and changing the hardware?
[02:32] <__mikem> you should be able to set it as one in the bios
[02:32] <darkmatter137> k
[02:32] <darkmatter137> :)
[02:32] <darkmatter137> that makes me happy
[02:32] <__mikem> be careful when your doing that though
[02:32] <darkmatter137> why?
[02:32] <__mikem> Id have someone supervise you when your in the bios because if you don't know what your doing you can screw things up badly
[02:33] <darkmatter137> how badly?
[02:33] <__mikem> windows won't boot badly
[02:33] <darkmatter137> damn
[02:33] <darkmatter137> :/
[02:33] <darkmatter137> even if im not messing with my windows hard drive?
[02:33] <darkmatter137> I have absolutely nothing on this hard drive
[02:34] <__mikem> any mistake you make is reversable
[02:34] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:34] <darkmatter137> what mistakes might I make?
[02:34] <darkmatter137> so I am forewarned
[02:34] <__mikem> you might accidently set your primary master as a slave, you might accidently turn on network boot,
[02:35] <darkmatter137> k
[02:35] <__mikem> or
[02:35] <darkmatter137> but if i turn primary master to slave, then i just go back and turn it to master
[02:35] <darkmatter137> right?
[02:35] <__mikem> yes, anything you do can be reversed, so remember what you did
[02:35] <darkmatter137> k
[02:35] <__mikem> and having someone supervise you wouldn't hurt
[02:36] <darkmatter137> i dont have anyone to supervise me
[02:36] <darkmatter137> I wish I did
[02:36] <__mikem> do you have the instruction manual
[02:36] <darkmatter137> for my hd or for my motherboard?
[02:37] <__mikem> for the bios
[02:37] <darkmatter137> I have the instructions for my motherboard right next to me
[02:37] <darkmatter137> um
[02:37] <darkmatter137> i didnt know there was instructions
[02:37] <darkmatter137> I thought it was universal
[02:37] <__mikem> look in the motherboard manual
[02:37] <darkmatter137> k
[02:37] <darkmatter137> chapter 4, bios setup
[02:38] <__mikem> briliant
[02:38] <frank23> for what? I think the only way to change a drive from master to slave is to change to jumper on the drive
[02:38] <__mikem> only if its specifically jumpered a certain way
[02:38] <__mikem> I am hoping that its not set by the jumpers
[02:39] <darkmatter137> if its sata isnt it cable select always?
[02:39] <darkmatter137> i know how to change the jumpers for an ultra ata
[02:39] <darkmatter137> but there are none for sata
[02:39] <darkmatter137> right?
[02:39] <frank23> darkmatter137: oh... I've never even seen a sata drive
[02:39] <__mikem> darkmatter137 I am not really a hardware guy
[02:40] <darkmatter137> k
[02:40] <__mikem> I can only tell you that that drive must be a secondary master before you can install the os on it
[02:42] <__mikem> frank, it shouldn't matter what kind of drive it is, but I don't know how I am going to walk him through making the necessary system changes without knowing what kind of system he has
[02:42] <__mikem> frank123 did you get that
[02:42] <frank23> what is the problem exactly?
[02:42] <darkmatter137> what kind of system?
[02:43] <__mikem> he can't get the install cd for drapper to see his secondary hard drive
[02:43] <__mikem> I surmised that the drive is probably not designated as a master
[02:43] <darkmatter137> I cant get it to see any hard drive though
[02:43] <__mikem> ???
[02:43] <__mikem> any at all
[02:43] <darkmatter137> nope
[02:43] <__mikem> not even the main drive
[02:43] <darkmatter137> nope
[02:43] <frank23> darkmatter137: can the 2nd drive be seen by windows?
[02:43] <darkmatter137> frank, yes
[02:44] <__mikem> Id say try an install CD at this point as apposed to a dvd because if it doesn't see any of your drives then your bios settings are NOT the issue
[02:45] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:45] <frank23> darkmatter137: my guess is that the hardware setup is correct. the problem might be with the installer, sata controller maybe?
[02:45] <__mikem> I assume you downloaded that dvd as an ISO
[02:46] <__mikem> right?
[02:46] <frank23> what is the motherboard model?
[02:47] <darkmatter137> asus P4800-E Deluxe
[02:47] <__mikem> I use an asus motherboard in my for my amd64
[02:47] <darkmatter137> yeah, im downloading the cd right now
[02:47] <darkmatter137> for breezy
[02:48] <darkmatter137> just go mainstream, hopefully it will be easier
[02:48] <__mikem> The CD shouldn't have any such problems
[02:48] <__mikem> and should be much easier
[02:48] <darkmatter137> do you know if there is a way to know if my secondary is slave or master from within windows?
[02:48] <darkmatter137> I get nervous talking about bios
[02:48] <__mikem> no, but as I said, if its not seeing any of your drives, that may not be the imediate problem
[02:49] <darkmatter137> k
[02:49] <__mikem> as far as the breezy cd goes, all you need to do is follow the prompts, and the most difficult thing it will ask you is what language youw want your installation to use by default
[02:49] <darkmatter137> oh, hmm, I dont see the secondary in my boot menu
[02:49] <darkmatter137> could that mean its slave?
[02:50] <__mikem> not sure what a "boot menu" is, what do you mean
[02:50] <darkmatter137> like, when I choose which device to boot from, such as live cds
[02:50] <__mikem> yes, it is posible
[02:50] <darkmatter137> damn
[02:50] <__mikem> um, but not definite
[02:50] <darkmatter137> when I dual boot, will that be how I do it?
[02:51] <darkmatter137> or is there a graphical or some other interface
[02:51] <darkmatter137> that i can use
[02:51] <__mikem> it depends on how you have it set up, some BIOSes can be configured so it gives you a menu at startup
[02:52] <darkmatter137> but that would probably mean major surgery
[02:52] <__mikem> yes
[02:52] <darkmatter137> right..
[02:52] <__mikem> as I said, you really need to know what your doing
[02:53] <darkmatter137> so, when I use this installer cd, if its a slave drive, it will tell me?
[02:53] <__mikem> if its a slave drive, chances are it won't even show up when it prompts you to choose where to install ubuntu
[02:53] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:53] <__mikem> if it shows up, its a good sign
[02:54] <frank23> darkmatter137: you can go into the bios and check though. If you choose exit without saving to exit the bios. there is no way you can screw up anything
[02:54] <darkmatter137> ok
[02:54] <darkmatter137> well, im well into downloading the iso for breezy
[02:54] <__mikem> the manual should atleast tell you how to get in
[02:54] <darkmatter137> so ill get that done first
[02:55] <__mikem> frank123 I was actually more worried about what would happen if he touched the clock speed
[02:55] <darkmatter137> for my cpu's?
[02:55] <__mikem> yes
[02:56] <frank23> well I don't think it's that easy to accidentaly change bios settings
[02:56] <__mikem> in my old system, the boot sequence and the clock speed were dubiously placed in the same menu
[02:56] <__mikem> I forget what kind it was
[02:56] <frank23> __mikem: lol
[02:56] <darkmatter137> I looked at some screenshots in my manual
[02:56] <darkmatter137> i should be fine
[02:57] <darkmatter137> hard drives in one box
[02:57] <darkmatter137> everything is separated
[02:57] <__mikem> cool, you said, you had an asus motherboard
[02:57] <darkmatter137> most damage i could do would be to change raid settings or something
[02:57] <darkmatter137> yeah
[02:57] <__mikem> Yes, I do to
[02:58] <__mikem> I have an amd64 running at 3Ghz
[02:58] <__mikem> in that box
[02:58] <darkmatter137> overclocked?
[02:58] <__mikem> no
[02:58] <darkmatter137> never heard of a 3ghz amd
[02:58] <darkmatter137> fx60 or something?
[02:58] <frank23> __mikem: do you mean 3000+
[02:58] <__mikem> yup
[02:58] <darkmatter137> thats not 3ghz
[02:58] <darkmatter137> thats like 2.13
[02:59] <darkmatter137> or something
[02:59] <darkmatter137> but dont worry
[02:59] <darkmatter137> it would pwn a p4 at 3ghz
[02:59] <frank23> my 3200+ is 2.2 GHz
[02:59] <__mikem> my dad said specifically when he bought the thing it runs at 3 ghz
[02:59] <__mikem> now, I can check if you want
[03:00] <frank23> __mikem: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:00] <__mikem> its a windows machine, I am on my laptop right now
[03:01] <__mikem> hmm, your right, its only running at 2.1 right now
[03:01] <__mikem> Oh well, I can try overclocking it later
[03:01] <__mikem> if my dad lets me
[03:02] <darkmatter137> heh
[03:02] <darkmatter137> if it works fine, why risk it?
[03:03] <__mikem> for the fun of it, and I will ofcourse use caution when doing so
[03:03] <darkmatter137> hmm, interesting
[03:03] <__mikem> brb
[03:03] <darkmatter137> looks like linux is already making a move on ps3
[03:03] <frank23> __mikem: yeah if you make sure the system stays rock stable, the cpu should be ok.
[03:03] <darkmatter137> support for cell processors in 2.6.16
[03:04] <ubuntu> ..
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ..
[03:04] <ubuntu> ...
[03:04] <darkmatter137> /
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ...
[03:04] <darkmatter137> .
[03:04] <ubuntu> ....
[03:04] <darkmatter137> .....
[03:04] <ubuntu> ......
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ........
[03:04] <ubuntu> ..........
[03:04] <frank23> __mikem: the problem is if you overclocked cpu is stable in the winter, it might not be in the summer
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ................
[03:04] <ubuntu> .............................
[03:04] <frank23> stop that! ;)
[03:04] <darkmatter137> ...............................................................
[03:04] <ubuntu> .
[03:04] <darkmatter137> haha
[03:04] <darkmatter137> sorry
[03:05] <ubuntu> lol anyways i have a question
[03:05] <ubuntu> i am running kubuntu from a cd...
[03:05] <ubuntu> how the heck do i install win32 codecs
[03:05] <frank23> !tell ubuntu about restricted
[03:05] <ubuntu> i own windows xp so it shouldnt be a copyright issue
[03:06] <__mikem> right now, I have the fans set on low, so I can always do that
[03:06] <__mikem> set them higher I mean
[03:07] <__mikem> as you can tell, I aint a hardware guy
[03:07] <frank23> ubuntu: I finally understand why so many people named ubuntu come the channel. It's because the run the live cd. I previously thought they were idiots for naming themselves ubuntu.
[03:07] <frank23> It finally makes sense
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:07] <ubuntu> i apologize... ill change th enick
[03:07] <ubuntu> lol
[03:07] <__mikem> lol, I figured that out a long ime ago
[03:07] <frank23> ubuntu: no no it's fine
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I never really thought about it.
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:08] <__mikem> ubuntu, don't worry I don't mind
[03:08] <frank23> !tell ubuntu about restricted
[03:09] <__mikem> once, I went into VMware, took a system snap shot, and typed "sudo rm -r ~" just to see what what it would be like
[03:09] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:09] <ubuntu> this is the first time im on linux... so all this code stuff makes nil sense to me lol
[03:09] <__mikem> rm -r ~ means remove everything from your home dirrectory
[03:09] <ubuntu> but i have to say i never realized how efficent ubuntu os are compared to windows
[03:09] <ubuntu> i was always a windows user
[03:10] <__mikem> all linux distributions are good, its just a matter of learning how to use them
[03:10] <ubuntu> lol i cant even install realplayer...
[03:10] <__mikem> its like learning how to drive a stick shift after driving an automatic for so long
[03:11] <ubuntu> it said save at desktop and unpack and then type ./realplayer10gold.bin or something
[03:11] <__mikem> you can't rely on the os doing a lot of the greasy stuff for you
[03:11] <__mikem> yes
[03:11] <ubuntu> do i open a terminal window for this?
[03:11] <__mikem> no you don't
[03:11] <ubuntu> when i do that it cant find the file or folder
[03:11] <__mikem> not yet anyway
[03:11] <__mikem> ubuntu, rightclick on the ,bin file
[03:11] <__mikem> and go to properties
[03:11] <frank23> ubuntu: you should follow the instructions in the link I sent you
[03:11] <ubuntu> i apologize... i have no clue abt this so bear with me lol
[03:11] <ubuntu> ok
[03:11] <ubuntu> thanks alot
[03:11] <__mikem> go to permissions
[03:12] <__mikem> in properties
[03:12] <ubuntu> k
[03:12] <__mikem> and check all three check boxes under the word executable
[03:12] <sebastian> ubuntu
[03:12] <sebastian> forget realplayer
[03:12] <sebastian> use Mplayer instead :)
[03:12] <frank23> ubuntu: It's always preferable to install software with synaptic. If its not there, use a .deb file. or compile from source.
[03:12] <sebastian> that's not WIndows Media Player by the way
[03:12] <ubuntu> lol i figured
[03:13] <__mikem> sebastian, don't patronize the newb
[03:13] <sebastian> Mplayer can play like all the audio types
[03:13] <ubuntu> i understand frank... but my programming or usage experience in linux is nil...
[03:13] <__mikem> ubuntu, what kind of programming do you do
[03:13] <ubuntu> whats synaptic...
[03:13] <sebastian> your using Gnome or KDE Ubuntu?
[03:13] <ubuntu> none... used to do javascripting, vb asp and html
[03:13] <__mikem> its the package manager for gnome
[03:13] <sebastian> Ubuntu or Kunbutu?
[03:14] <frank23> ubuntu: You don't to be able to program. Using the terminal is useful and you'll learn over time. you can do most things without it if you want as well
[03:14] <ubuntu> im using kubuntu
[03:14] <sebastian> then you should of called yourself kubuntu since people think your using Ubuntu since you called yourself Ubuntu
[03:14] <ubuntu> how do i install mplayer?
[03:14] <__mikem> I am actually prety new to linux myself, but I got a nice book called he Linux Bible by Christopher Negus
[03:14] <frank23> ubuntu: oh yeah the kubuntu equivalent is adept but I like synaptic better
[03:14] <kubuntu_noob> there we go
[03:15] <__mikem> lol, talk about low selfesteme
[03:15] <__mikem> lol
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> hey first day
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> on linux
[03:15] <kubuntu_noob> im sure u guys were learning too on ur first day :)
[03:15] <__mikem> I still am learning actually
[03:15] <sebastian> same here
[03:15] <sebastian> used LInux for about two years though
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> as am I
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> well im trying to install realplayer... and run those damn videos and mp3s
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> used linux for a few months.
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:16] <sebastian> ah ha
[03:16] <sebastian> just rememberd
[03:16] <__mikem> hey sebastian, what is the actual name of the package for mplayer
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> mplayer
[03:16] <sebastian> there is a good page on the wiki
[03:16] <sebastian> Ubuntu wiki
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> I think
[03:16] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: I remember at first the file system organisation totally scared me!
[03:16] <sebastian> about getting MP3's so on to work
[03:16] <kubuntu_noob> it is scaring me!
[03:17] <sebastian> I used Gnome first :)
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> im like wtf is going on... where is th emy computer gone?
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:17] <sebastian> KDE yuck
[03:17] <__mikem> KDE yum
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup, mplayer
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> is there a noob site for installing this stuff?
[03:17] <sebastian> i'll get the link for getting mp3's so on to work on Ubuntu
[03:17] <kubuntu_noob> like mplayer with the codecs
[03:17] <sebastian> that should help you
[03:17] <__mikem> I tried a sudo apt-get install mplayer, and it says package not found
[03:18] <kubuntu_noob> thanks... im trying to make sense of th elink frank sent me, thanks!
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> funny. in apt-cache search mplayer is shows mplayer
[03:18] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  is great to start with
[03:18] <frank23> !restricted
[03:18] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:18] <kubuntu_noob> thanks
[03:19] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats has everything about audio/video/dvd/java
[03:19] <kubuntu_noob> i guess tonight it will be dedicated to linux till 12 lol
[03:19] <sebastian> yep  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[03:19] <kubuntu_noob> thanks i really appreciate it
[03:19] <sebastian> yep this is the link  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[03:21] <kubuntu_noob> ok one question... i dloaded the bin file to my desktop for realplayer
[03:21] <kubuntu_noob> i went to properties and checked all the executable and write etc stuff
[03:21] <sebastian> don't bother with the actsaul Real realplayer
[03:21] <sebastian> just download and get working mplayer
[03:21] <sebastian> that will take care of like everything
[03:22] <kubuntu_noob> how do i do that? i mean i cant seem to open any file with ./
[03:22] <kubuntu_noob> it keeps telling me the file doesnt exist
[03:22] <sebastian> yes MP3's don't just play by default in Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:22] <sebastian> and many other LInux distros
[03:22] <sebastian> ,because of legal reasons.  they are patented or whatever
[03:23] <sebastian> and same thing with DVD's  they won't just play either
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> yeah i know... i checked that with the windows ppl
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> i own windows xp so they said it is fine
[03:23] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: you should install realplayer as explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. you have to cd Desktop to go to the Desktop directory
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> but i need to install win32 codecs... ok before i ask any more stupid questions ill read the link frank sent me
[03:23] <sebastian> I tryed to install Relaplayer myself before.  and well it's not very uhmmmm nice
[03:23] <kubuntu_noob> thank you for your patience guys
[03:23] <sebastian> yes install win32 codecs
[03:24] <__mikem> sebastian, it aint in my apt-cache, I piped the output of apt-cache pkgnames through grep mplayer and couldn't find any
[03:24] <__mikem> just so you know
[03:24] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: it may be "morally" fine. but I'm sure it's still not legally fine at least in the US. I doubt anybody cares about that though (including Microsoft)
[03:24] <sebastian> this is the site for mplayer:  www.mplayerhq.hu/
[03:24] <sebastian> you have to download it I think
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Did you enable universe and multiverse repositories?
[03:24] <sebastian> carn't just get it from the package manager I think
[03:24] <kubuntu_noob> thanks
[03:25] <frank23> __mikem: mplayer is not in amd64 ubuntu
[03:25] <frank23> !info mplayer
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-amd64
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:25] <frank23> !info mplayer-386
[03:25] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 3568 kB, Installed size: 8132 kB
[03:25] <frank23> mplayer is in multiverse
[03:26] <kubuntu_noob> so i have to dload the source, codecs, fonts and maybe a skin
[03:26] <kubuntu_noob> and run them :)
[03:26] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: for mplayer? no need for any of that.
[03:27] <kubuntu_noob> it says on the site... for a complete installation u need to do all this
[03:27] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: are you running i386 version of ubuntu?
[03:27] <michael__> sorry, I have a busted cooling fan on my laptop and it just overheated
[03:27] <kubuntu_noob> i have a 64bit processor, not sure exactly which one im running...
[03:27] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: what image did you download?
[03:27] <sebastian> so your running kubuntu on a 64bit PC?
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> yes an amb 64bit 1.8ghz
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> amd
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:28] <michael__> hey, is there a moderator in here
[03:28] <sebastian> maybe
[03:28] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why?
[03:28] <frank23> michael__: why?
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:29] <sebastian> yeah I am a moderator :D and if you piss me off I will kick you out :D
[03:29] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh the readme for mplayer... this might help on how to install
[03:30] <michael__> the screen name __mikem is me, my laptop died, and aparently for some reason my the irc session didn't terminate
[03:30] <sebastian> do you even know how to use a package manger yet?
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> nope
[03:30] <sebastian> kubuntu noob
[03:30] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: no no no.... there are much easier ways to install stuff in ubuntu
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> :(
[03:30] <michael__> do you think you can kick that name so I can use it
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, even if you kick it from the channel, you can't use it.
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> im all ears frank...
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> It has to disconnect from the server.
[03:30] <kubuntu_noob> should i follow the link u sen tme?
[03:31] <michael__> unless it times out, it isn't going to disconect on its own
[03:31] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: first learn to use adept (link) and add universe and multiverse (2nd link)
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> thanks alot frank...
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> they insturctions are very clear
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> ok will do!
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:31] <kubuntu_noob> :D
[03:32] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: after that you can install mplayer (and about 15000 other packages) with adept
[03:32] <kubuntu_noob> i did try and install some mp3 library codes etc... earlier
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> but the mp3s still didnt run... i need the win32 codecs i think... the manager prob doesnt have them to download
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> but yeah now im getting the hang of this...
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> noe trying to install th emultiverse thing :)
[03:34] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: for mp3s, did you try to follow the restrictedformats page?
[03:34] <kubuntu_noob> i am trying to... it says type commands. not sure where i should type them in...
[03:35] <kubuntu_noob> open a terminal window?
[03:35] <kubuntu_noob> or the run thing
[03:35] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: yeah. it's called konsole in the menu
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Press Alt+Space and type in "Konsole"
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> wow
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, awesome app, isn't it? :D
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> man... this is just like grade 2 when i got my very first pc
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:36] <kubuntu_noob> the thing just popped out of nowehere
[03:36] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: all the sudo apt-get install  stuff can be done with adept. they do the same thing: install programs from the repositories
[03:36] <___mikem> sebastian check the user id of me and __mikem, they both say n=michael@201-106.24.70.tampabay.res.rr.com
[03:36] <sebastian> yep  LInux is about typing commands in for loads of stuff.  so start getting used to it now Kubuntu noob
[03:37] <sebastian> I was joking when I said I was a moderater.  mikem
[03:37] <kubuntu_noob> one question what are respositories?
[03:37] <kubuntu_noob> just for info
[03:37] <sebastian> uhmmmmm basically
[03:37] <___mikem> THats a real bummer, because there is no irc client currently connected to __mikem, I can guarintee you
[03:37] <sebastian> places where you can download stuff
[03:38] <sebastian> programs
[03:38] <sebastian> servers where you can download the programs from
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> so its like a holding place... which have small programs in them
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> u can dload as u need them?
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> The repositories are places where you download the packages, then apt will automatically install them.
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:38] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: servers that contain programs for ubuntu.  apt is the package management system for ubuntu.
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> adept is a GUI for apt
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> so ubuntu.com or whatever stores all these little programs we all make to add on
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> niceee
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> so this think keeps improving all the time...
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, they only store certain programs, but basically, yes.
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> shit... so much more power than windows
[03:39] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: not just little programs. A large part of all open source software is in there. 15000 packages
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> ahh i see
[03:40] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: if something is not there, it usually means, it's new, unstable or that not many people use it
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Usually new
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[03:41] <darkmatter137> hello again
[03:41] <sebastian> yep open source is more powerful then Windows and that
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Such as the rather annoying Firefox 1.5.0.1 not being there. :\
[03:41] <__mikem> ok, looks like the account timed out
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> one thing i dont get is why arent there any vruses or secutrity holes on linux bases os...
[03:41] <sebastian> you can install Firefox 1.5.0.1  Cheese Buger Man inside your Kbuntu
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> i mean with all this power and access...
[03:41] <kubuntu_noob> u guys can do whatever u want
[03:42] <__mikem> because virus writers count on the fact that most people use windows
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> sebastian: I tried, but it told me it needed a lib that I already had.
[03:42] <kubuntu_noob> sorry but im really curious
[03:42] <darkmatter137> maybe becuase insidious hackers use linux, and like linux peeps :)
[03:42] <sebastian> well I got Firefox 1.5.0.1 on my  Ubuntu.  I followeed a nice wiki page
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> and because anyone can get to the code, people can patch security flaws without being part of the 'official tema'
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> team*
[03:42] <sebastian> there have been some virus's for Linux
[03:42] <sebastian> ,but
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> I followed the wiki page too, and got the same error
[03:42] <sebastian> they tend to stay in the lab
[03:43] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh i see... so open source can go both ways
[03:43] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: and even the holes that do exist tend to cause less damage because user programs are run with user priviledge while Windows home users run everything as administrator
[03:43] <darkmatter137> hehehe
[03:43] <__mikem> most vulnerabilities in linux stem from buffer overruns based on what I heard
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> frank23: not all windows users run as admin - I don't, and setup my mom so she doesn't either. ;)
[03:43] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:43] <frank23> CheeseBurgerMan: You're not the average home windows user then ;)
[03:43] <__mikem> I run as admin on my windows machine
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:44] <darkmatter137> admin allows you to gain access to almost any computer easily
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> i dont think ur mom would be the cause of spyware or viruses
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:44] <__mikem> I am actually using vmware to run ubuntu right now
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> kubuntu_noob: Regardless, it's still safter. ;)
[03:44] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:44] <sebastian> well I been trying to get VMware player
[03:44] <sebastian> working this evening
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: VMWare is a bit slow on my comp (at least with Windows, not installed it in Linux)
[03:44] <darkmatter137> do i need to use a firewall with linux?
[03:44] <sebastian> so I can install 2k pro inside Ubuntu :)
[03:44] <darkmatter137> or antivirus?
[03:45] <sebastian> Ubuntu has a anti virus
[03:45] <sebastian> there are some anti virus's for Linux
[03:45] <sebastian> just in case
[03:45] <sebastian> and yes it is a good idea to  use a firewall if your using it on The Internet
[03:45] <sebastian> whatever operating system you are using
[03:45] <__mikem> You shouldn't try running vmware server because that is very slow
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> Which you are. ;)
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: I didn't. It was the VMware player
[03:45] <__mikem> but vmware workstation version works fine
[03:45] <sebastian> VMware player
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> my 'puter just isn't the fastest. :)
[03:45] <kubuntu_noob> not running a firewall on this os... but windows i have zonelabs
[03:45] <__mikem> I use vmware workstation
[03:46] <sebastian> ,but Gnome or whatever is being stupid.  and keeps on turning my Virtual Machine file into a text file at the moment
[03:46] <sebastian> hummmmmmm
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> i think the university server im on right now has its own firewall in place too
[03:46] <MaterMaravillae> __mikem: how much ram have you got?
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> i gb
[03:46] <kubuntu_noob> 1gb
[03:46] <frank23> darkmatter137: antivirus is basically useless. Firewall...  can be useful but by default ubuntu has no open ports that can accept connections
[03:46] <__mikem> I only have 512mb right now
[03:46] <sebastian> yes I expect they have a firewall your uni
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I've only got 512MB
[03:46] <darkmatter137> ok
[03:46] <darkmatter137> wait
[03:46] <darkmatter137> if ubuntu has no open ports
[03:46] <darkmatter137> how do you use bittorent?
[03:46] <MaterMaravillae> ok, ty. im trying vmware right now and ive got 512, and i didnt know if it was enough
[03:47] <__mikem> Firewall is good if you are running ubuntu on a server
[03:47] <frank23> darkmatter137: well bittorrent opens those ports but you need them opened anyways.
[03:47] <darkmatter137> ah, i c
[03:47] <sebastian> whatever operating system if  your using it on the internet. you should have a firewall
[03:47] <__mikem> we are all closet vmware users and now we are all coming out?
[03:47] <__mikem> lol
[03:47] <darkmatter137> :)
[03:47] <MaterMaravillae> lol
[03:47] <sebastian> I am not a vmware user just yet
[03:47] <darkmatter137> im burning the install disk
[03:48] <sebastian> since I haven't got it working with 2k pro just yet
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> whats universe and multiverse?
[03:48] <frank23> __mikem: And all law abiding vmware player users I'm sure
[03:48] <sebastian> differnet resporitories
[03:48] <darkmatter137> once i have it installed, how will I boot into kubuntu since my winxp is my main
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> im adding it... but would like to know exactly what they are
[03:48] <sebastian> nope 2k pro is a pirate :d
[03:48] <__mikem> I got my copy of vmware workstation lagitimately
[03:48] <sebastian> someone in Canada sent me
[03:48] <sebastian> ,but I have legal 98 and XP
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> lol im in canada
[03:48] <kubuntu_noob> toronto
[03:48] <__mikem> my brother happened to have an unactivated version of workstation lieing around so he gave it to me
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter137: It will install GRUB into the MBR which allows you to chose between windows and Kubuntu
[03:48] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <darkmatter137> it will install grub by default?
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[03:49] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <__mikem> Is it alright to recomend a good book I resently bought on learning linux here
[03:49] <darkmatter137> so, I have windows on my primary, i install kubuntu on secondar, grub will let me choose?
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes
[03:49] <sebastian> I thought about pirating VMware workstation or buying it, but then well this VMware player so I am like i'll just use this
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Go ahead
[03:49] <darkmatter137> cool
[03:49] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: universe is programs that are not officially supported by ubuntu. they may or may not get security updates. multiverse is like universe but closed source
[03:50] <darkmatter137> well
[03:50] <darkmatter137> im off to install
[03:50] <darkmatter137> see yas
[03:50] <darkmatter137> :)
[03:50] <__mikem> Get the Linux Bible by Christopher Negus
[03:50] <kubuntu_noob> thanks again frank
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> __mikem: Too late, already got it. :P
[03:50] <__mikem> Looks like my laptop just came back up
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> 2005 edition though
[03:50] <sebastian> Hoary headgehog had Gnome and Kubuntu,  but Breezy no Kubuntu hummmmmmm
[03:51] <sebastian> ,but I installed KDE on my Ubuntu to
[03:51] <__mikem> Theres kubuntu for breezy, or atleast there was
[03:51] <__mikem> !kde
[03:51] <ubotu> methinks kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[03:51] <kubuntu_noob> whats breezy?
[03:51] <frank23> sebastian: breezy has kde too. what are you talking about?
[03:51] <__mikem> yup
[03:51] <kubuntu_noob> and kde?
[03:51] <sebastian> Yes I got KDE on my Ubuntu  that's what I said, but on Hoary Headgehog there was Gnome and Kubuntu
[03:51] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: breezy is 5.10   hoary was 5.04
[03:52] <kubuntu_noob> man i sound like a 10 yr old kid... so much curiousity i love it!
[03:52] <sebastian> what are the differences between Kubuntu and just installing KDE on Gnome?
[03:52] <__mikem> kubuntu_noob I was (and some times still am) the same way
[03:52] <kubuntu_noob> ahh different versions of kubuntu....
[03:52] <sebastian> I mean just isntalling KDE on Ubuntu
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> sebastian: None, except that you still have GNOME.
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: Default apps.
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> I have GNOME, KDE, and XFCE.
[03:52] <__mikem> could someone explain what kde is to kubuntu_noob, I would but I don't know how to explain it
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: I'll give it a shot.
[03:53] <__mikem> ok
[03:53] <sebastian> so will I
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:53] <__mikem> lol
[03:53] <sebastian> Linux is all about choice Kubuntu noob
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: You coming from a Windows background?  (I'm making an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong.)
[03:53] <frank23> kubuntu_noob: kde is the desktop environment you're using. If you had ubuntu, you would be using gnome instead and things would look quite different on your screen
[03:53] <kubuntu_noob> yeah
[03:53] <sebastian> there are loads of Desktop Environments Graphical User Interfaces to choose from on Linux
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> ahhh guis
[03:54] <sebastian> KDE is the most populast apparanatlly
[03:54] <__mikem> enlightenment
[03:54] <__mikem> xfce, kde gnome
[03:54] <sebastian> and Gnome is the second
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> :)
[03:54] <sebastian> and XFCE is the 3rd I Think
[03:54] <__mikem> cde (for you old time unix users)
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> so kubuntu runs on kde?
[03:54] <frank23> sebastian: yeah but gnome is more popular among (k)ubuntu users
[03:54] <__mikem> kde runs on kubuntu
[03:54] <__mikem> actually
[03:54] <kubuntu_noob> lol yeah
[03:54] <sebastian> Kubuntu uses KDE by default.  and Ubuntu uses Gnome by default
[03:54] <__mikem> linux is just the kernel
[03:55] <__mikem> the kernel is like a car engine
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> that makes sense!
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: When you logged into Windows, you had a pretty little interface, with the Start menu, clock, My Computer, and all that kind of stuff that made up the desktop.  That sort of package deal is similar to a desktop environment like KDE (though not quite the same, because there's all sorts of little components to compare too).
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> yeah i got it... thanks
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> i feel a lot smarter now
[03:55] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Wonderful!
[03:55] <__mikem> you need more than just an engine to get around
[03:55] <__mikem> you need more than just a kernel to use your computer
[03:55] <sebastian> and Gnome is more user fridnly then KE I reckon.  and of course since this is the Kubuntu channel here I guess loads of people here disagree or whatever
[03:56] <sebastian> user friendly that is
[03:56] <sebastian> and KDE
[03:56] <sebastian> not KE
[03:56] <__mikem> different distributions of linux use different software to interface with the kernel, just like different cars have different bodies and still use the same engine
[03:56] <__mikem> its what I like to call a modular opperating system
[03:56] <sebastian> there are also loads of file managers for Linux
[03:56] <sebastian> Kubuntu noob
[03:57] <sebastian> KDE uses Konquerer which is also a browser.  Gnome uses Natuilus
[03:57] <__mikem> because things like the desktop environment, the package managers, and stuff like that are like moduals to the kernal
[03:57] <sebastian> and there is even a file manager which is rather much like Windows :d :)
[03:57] <__mikem> is that a good synopsis
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Main difference on that front Linux vs. Windows - you have a choice.  And you can run more than one.  WinXP you basically get one desktop, and can either theme it as XP or Classic.  Here, you can have KDE, Gnome, XFCE, IceWM, Fluxbox, Openbox, Motif, and some others all installed at the same time, and if you really feel like it, all running at the same time.
[03:57] <__mikem> motif is just a window manager,
[03:58] <sebastian> XP with 3rd party programs can theme it as well
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: True, nm.
[03:58] <__mikem> XFCE is also just a window manager but it works nicely with gdm
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Things like Konqueror and Nautilus would be roughly equivalent to Windows Explorer (not to be confused with Internet Explorer, although Konq. fulfills that role too, but not Nautilus)
[03:59] <sebastian> Linux is about choice being able to choose what you want to use for like everything.  where as Windows is about vender lockin and well having to use there shit
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> their
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> __mikem: Speaking of which, how can I get desktop icons and such in XFCE?
[03:59] <__mikem> I don't know, I found xfce difficult to use when I tried it
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> CheeseBurgerMan: Thank you for nabbing that one :)
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> My pleasure. :P
[04:00] <__mikem> its nice, but as I said, difficult to use
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> yeah konquerer i understood was a web browser
[04:00] <sebastian> it still is
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> lol
[04:00] <sebastian> Konquerer is both
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> hahaha
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Yes, and a filesystem browser at the same time.
[04:00] <__mikem> conquer is as I said like windows explorer because like windows explorer, it is both a windows manager and a web browser
[04:00] <kubuntu_noob> so its like ie...
[04:00] <sebastian> yes in a way
[04:00] <__mikem> yup
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, but cooler. :P
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> kubuntu_noob: Except it works and won't expose you to every security hole known to man.
[04:01] <Snake|ONAIR> Can I intrest anyone in tuning into my radio. I got 3 spots lef on the server. It's predominatly rock, but theres going to be a 30 min techno block coming up. Anyone intrested?
[04:01] <sebastian> ,but unlike IE, because of it's link to Explorer.  well the whole of Windows crashes then.  anwyay with KOnquerer if Konquerer crashes
[04:01] <sebastian> the whole of Linux won't crash
[04:01] <__mikem> The only reason why I don't use kde is because for some reason it won't run on my machines at resolutions higher than 1024x768
[04:02] <__mikem> I always hated that about IE
[04:02] <beefsprocket> is there a way to remove all mimetype associations and revert to the default?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use it at 1280x768
[04:02] <beefsprocket> I keep getting an octet popup problem or some such error
[04:02] <sebastian> altough Firefox is the better  than Konquerer as a web browser I guess
[04:02] <__mikem> Long live Firefox
[04:02] <Snake|ONAIR> Opera for life
[04:03] <__mikem> lets not start any cola wars in here
[04:03] <kubuntu_noob> where is the repositories option in adept?
[04:03] <sebastian> IE is shit.  stops the whole Internet from becoming much better, because of it's lack of web standards suppourt
[04:03] <sebastian> as in the webpage coding it suppourts and how.  Yep lack of CSS so on
[04:03] <sebastian> suppourt
[04:03] <__mikem> microsoft claims that it can't not include ie with windows even though they were told they needed to stop
[04:04] <sebastian> IE 7 will be a slight improvement, but not a good enough one.  and by the way IE 7 has tabs
[04:04] <sebastian> which is a long over due feature for them
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: So I've heard, but a little late.
[04:04] <Snake|ONAIR> __mikem: and they were proved rong
[04:04] <Snake|ONAIR> wrong*
[04:04] <__mikem> yup, the amazing thing is, as bad as microsoft is, Mac is getting to be worse
[04:04] <sebastian> is it? why?  how?
[04:04] <__mikem> look at what they are doing with the IPod and Itunes
[04:05] <__mikem> beefsprocket, wish I could help, we aren't ignoreing you though
[04:05] <beefsprocket> I didn't think you were, just scrolling quite a bit is all
[04:05] <sebastian> apparantlly Mac OS X has the best GUI though?
[04:05] <__mikem> definitely
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> never used it
[04:06] <sebastian> I have seen it in videos and stuff.  damn I want a Mac
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:06] <__mikem> beefsprocket, try uninstalling and reinstalling all the mime types
[04:07] <sebastian> thing is with open source.  I mean come on.  surely they can make something better than Mac OS X's GUI?
[04:07] <__mikem> IT would be nice if we could have open source music
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, I know those who would say that open source has made something better than OS X's GUI
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> But that's the same guy who makes bash scripts for fun.
[04:08] <__mikem> CheeseBurgerMan, apple is very good at GUI Design
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> As I said, I've never used it.
[04:08] <__mikem> Ive used them before
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've not. :P
[04:08] <__mikem> they are beautiful
[04:08] <sebastian> well I guess they have to
[04:08] <sebastian> since most of there users/customers
[04:08] <sebastian> are multimedia peopel graphics designers
[04:08] <sebastian> so on
[04:08] <sebastian> people
[04:08] <__mikem> bingo
[04:09] <__mikem> and those people are so abundant that APple is targeting them
[04:09] <__mikem> and they even put a big dent in WIndows credibility when it comes to Multimedia Design
[04:10] <__mikem> most people will say that Macs are better at graphic design than a PC will ever be
[04:10] <sebastian> ,but they forced people to buy there hardware
[04:10] <sebastian> hence why Mac OS X
[04:10] <sebastian> did not become so popular
[04:10] <sebastian> ,but now we got these Mactels hummmmmm
[04:10] <__mikem> like I was saying, Apple is really becoming worse than microsoft
[04:11] <__mikem> Another interesting fast fact about Mac OSX, Its based on BSD
[04:11] <sebastian> and Safari there browser is based on Konquerer
[04:11] <Snake|ONAIR> __mikem: not totally
[04:11] <sebastian> well it's rendering engine
[04:11] <Snake|ONAIR> Its more based on...whats that other OS...
[04:12] <sebastian> Unix?
[04:12] <Snake|ONAIR> No
[04:12] <__mikem> BSD is UNIX
[04:12] <sebastian> I know
[04:12] <Snake|ONAIR> NeXT I think
[04:13] <sebastian> and Linux is Linux, but quite a lot of people like to call it a Unix
[04:13] <Snake|ONAIR> Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernel and the BSD implementation of Unix, which were incorporated into NEXTSTEP,
[04:13] <nalioth> linux is a *nix
[04:13] <__mikem> I was looking at FSU as a petential college I might go to in a year. The woman in the computer science department had the gaul to say that Unix is going to be obsolete
[04:13] <sebastian> Unix is becoming obsolote
[04:13] <sebastian> it's true
[04:13] <sebastian> companies that use Unix for servers so on
[04:13] <sebastian> are going to Linux :)
[04:14] <__mikem> I said, to her funny, there are plenty of Linux distributors that are doing quite well
[04:14] <sebastian> that's interesting females in a computer science department.
[04:14] <sebastian> the majority of females and computers hummmmmmm
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:15] <__mikem> Yeh, its a new thing
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> there are some smart females in computers. I Just don't know any. :P
[04:15] <sebastian> indeed same ehre
[04:15] <__mikem> LOL
[04:15] <sebastian> here
[04:15] <Hobbsee> sebastian: yes, they exist
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heck, I've been asked "How do I get to my desktop"
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> :|
[04:16] <__mikem> I used to know a girl who was prety good with computers. HOwever she kicked the hobby after she tried a computer programming class and bit off a bit more than she could chew
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:16] <sebastian> are there any females here?
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> CheeseBurgerMan: I know some that try, fewer that succeed.
[04:16] <sebastian> girls find computers for geeks,  but yet obbsses over there mobiles phones.  which are really computers by the way
[04:16] <__mikem> It took me several tries to get into computer programming
[04:16] <sebastian> they don't see a mobile phone as being a computer
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sebastian: do you have any idea how horrible you're sounding?
[04:17] <sebastian> teenage girls
[04:17] <sebastian> at least around here
[04:17] <sebastian> other countires maybe not so much
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe - __mikem already knows :P
[04:17] <__mikem> you should see how things are down here in floriDUH
[04:17] <sebastian> Hobbsee are you are female?
[04:17] <sebastian> I was thinking that from when you started talking to me so on
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, he guessed it
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sebastian: what an interesting conclusion.  yes.  there are other females around here too, btw
[04:18] <__mikem> Hobbsee, I kept my mouth shut does that make me a gentalman
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe it does __mikem
[04:18] <__mikem> cool
[04:18] <sebastian> well that's pretty damn cool.  at least some females here :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: what, the one about girls not existing on the internet?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> !women
[04:19] <ubotu> I guess women is Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ to learn how to act, mister!
[04:19] <darkmatter1> hey
[04:19] <darkmatter1> help.... lol
[04:19] <__mikem> ubotu lart sebastian
[04:19] <Snake|ONAIR> !love
[04:19] <ubotu> Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the ice weasels come.
[04:19] <darkmatter1> I just installed kubuntu, it rebooted
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> As I said, there are some, but I don't really know any. (since I don't really know you - just that you were a female, and that from a pastebin that you did which showed your home folder)
[04:19] <darkmatter1> then
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> But I'll digress. ;)
[04:19] <Snake|ONAIR> Who needs women, when you have love
[04:19] <darkmatter1> grub 1.5 loading
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> dark_suic: Good...
[04:19] <darkmatter1> grub starting
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Err
[04:19] <darkmatter1> error 21
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Nope, the one about dealing with attitudes and behaviors towards those in the Linux community, or that you are trying to encourage to get into it.
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1
[04:19] <darkmatter1> yeah
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not so good
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:19] <Hobbsee> sebastian: you might want to read http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27  :P
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> Amarok = ALL THE CHICKS
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> All girls love amarok.
[04:20] <Snake|ONAIR> :)
[04:20] <darkmatter1> well, what does it mean, and how do i fix it?
[04:20] <darkmatter1> :(
[04:20] <__mikem> lart Snake|ONAIR
[04:20] <__mikem> !lart Snake|ONAIR
[04:20] <__mikem> ouch
[04:20] <__mikem> lol
[04:20] <beefsprocket> !gam_server
[04:20] <ubotu> beefsprocket: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:21] <__mikem> !good bot
[04:21] <ubotu> :)
[04:21] <darkmatter1> is there anyone here that can help me?!?
[04:21] <darkmatter1> i mean, my system wont boot
[04:21] <darkmatter1> :/
[04:21] <__mikem> darkmatter CheeseBurgerMan is working on it
[04:21] <darkmatter1> ok
[04:21] <darkmatter1> thx
[04:22] <__mikem> hey hobbsee, type !lart sebastian
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, I've found lots of stuff on error 21, just not a solution.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> +1 to the last paragraph of 1.1 of that page!
[04:22] <Hobbsee> __mikem: i know about lart
[04:22] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[04:22] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I have a feeling you'll be +1-ing it a lot; it's quite the article.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> __mikem: and there are far more effective ways of dealing with him :P
[04:22] <darkmatter1> well, what is error 21/
[04:22] <darkmatter1> to start with
[04:23] <__mikem> lol
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> I still have no idea
[04:23] <__mikem> hey CheeseBurgerMan, you might want to start a private chat with him
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why? This way if I find a solution everyone can see and learn. ;)
[04:23] <__mikem> so he doesn't have to deal with the scrooling
[04:24] <__mikem> I know when I am in his position, I usually find a scrolling chatwindow hard to deal with
[04:24] <Hobbsee> solutions are good in here too
[04:24] <__mikem> then again, the people have spoken
[04:24] <darkmatter1> oh shit
[04:24] <darkmatter1> 21 is selected disk does not exist
[04:24] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: language.
[04:24] <darkmatter1> sorry
[04:24] <darkmatter1> but I really am screwed
[04:25] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: you get to the grub screen?
[04:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> !grub
[04:25] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:25] <darkmatter1> this is what ive gotted
[04:25] <Hobbsee> check that the partition numbers are actually correct - you can edit it with e
[04:25] <__mikem> Selected disk does not exist, sound like the problem he had earlier
[04:25] <Hobbsee> sebastian: yes.  i wont tell you, due to what you've already said, and that i suspect you'll try hitting on me if i do.
[04:25] <darkmatter1> loading grub 1.5      loading grub, please wait      error 21
[04:26] <darkmatter1> and now im on the grub manual
[04:26] <darkmatter1> and it says, that 21 is selected disk does not exist
[04:26] <__mikem> Im thinking find an old laptop, and just do a "takeover" instalation of that machine
[04:26] <darkmatter1> 21 : Selected disk does not exist
[04:26] <darkmatter1> This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: did the partition somehow get deleted, or did grub screw up?
[04:26] <darkmatter1> no
[04:27] <darkmatter1> the install went fine
[04:27] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: quickest way is probably to reinstall grub, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-32d586a32fe70f9e1accb80d55cf3d3f0600175a
[04:27] <darkmatter1> I was pleasantly happy
[04:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:27] <__mikem> darkmatter1, if you really want a machine with ubuntu on it, you could also find an old laptop you don't use and do a "takeover" install on that
[04:27] <darkmatter1> hobbsee
[04:27] <darkmatter1> without grub, how could i get into kubuntu?
[04:27] <darkmatter1> you see, I have a problem
[04:27] <sebastian> without a boot loader your f ucked
[04:27] <darkmatter1> I cant get into windows or ubuntu
[04:28] <sebastian> you need a boot loader to boot Linux
[04:28] <__mikem> sabastian, do you mean get a date with her or get her to use ubuntu?
[04:28] <sebastian> 14 is to young for me.  and she has a boy friend
[04:28] <__mikem> oh lol
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: Well, you can always run a fixmbr in the Windows recovery console, but that won't let you boot into Kubuntu
[04:28] <sebastian> I am 18.  and I have a feeling your about the same age mikem?
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's a last resort.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: what are you using now?
[04:28] <__mikem> 17
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: Probably live CD
[04:29] <darkmatter1> a different computer
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Close. :P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> sebastian: language.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> darkmatter1: then load that webpage on your other computer
[04:29] <unix_infidel> how do i check which version of kde i have installed.
[04:29] <__mikem> why do you ask sebastian
[04:29] <Hobbsee> which gives you instructions on how to reinstall grub using the install cd
[04:29] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: konversation --version
[04:29] <__mikem> US
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> USA
[04:29] <Hobbsee> AU
[04:29] <sebastian> ,becasue I could tell by the things you were saying that you were about my age
[04:30] <__mikem> oh
[04:30] <sebastian> in other words your imaturiety lol no offence :d
[04:30] <__mikem> Don't worry, I get that a lot
[04:30] <unix_infidel> how would i go about updating kde to 3.5.1
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's spelled wrong, but I can't figure out how to spell it right. :P
[04:30] <unix_infidel> wikipedia says that's available in repos for breezy.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.1
[04:31] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[04:31] <Hobbsee> sebastian: did you not see people's answers above?
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ubotu takes my job. I can't fetch links when he does it all. :P
[04:31] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CheeseBurgerMan
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oops
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: From US, living currently / attending school in Canada.
[04:31] <__mikem> Hobbsee ;-)
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Dangit, not for you.
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> sebastian: ^^
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:32] <sebastian> nope I guess I just missed them
[04:32] <__mikem> lmao
[04:32] <sebastian> I just read above
[04:32] <darkmatter1> :/
[04:32] <darkmatter1> really ultra nervous
[04:32] <unix_infidel> wait, so its not available in official repos?
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> unix_infidel: It is an official repo
[04:33] <__mikem> darkmatter1 just be glad you aren't trying to deal with using different partitions on the same disk
[04:33] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: but with what i already have in sources.list
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> just not included in the default install because KDE 3.5.1 was released after breezy was.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> it's a semi-official repo...  well, it's official, but it's not into main, as it was released after feature freeze.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> it's in dapper
[04:33] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: but the repos havent been updated to include 3.5.1
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> What Hobbsee said
[04:33] <unix_infidel> they only include what's available for that release.
[04:33] <exobuzz> i wish laptop makers didnt suck, so they could make machines without broken firmware/bios so i wouldnt have to fuck around trying to get linux to work.. :-)
[04:33] <unix_infidel> they arent updated to include updated software.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sebastian: wish my school would change.  then again, looks like my uni is using partly linux
[04:34] <__mikem> I don't use beta software, but when drapper becomes stable, I have to remember to send away for more pressed CDs
[04:34] <sebastian> that's good Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: language, please.  what problems are you having?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> my laptop works fine, under dapper :)
[04:34] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: language?
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> That was exobuzz, not unix_infidel.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> lol.
[04:34] <exobuzz> sorry
[04:35] <__mikem> !tell unix_infidel about language
[04:35] <sebastian> school ay Hobbsee so your about my age to then I guess.  and no this is not a suck up.  I meant that
[04:35] <exobuzz> it was me. i had a foul mouth
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:35] <unix_infidel> moron.
[04:35] <sebastian> ah
[04:35] <sebastian> I meant
[04:35] <sebastian> to put
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sorry unix_infidel
[04:35] <robotgeek> !coc
[04:35] <ubotu> methinks coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:35] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: talking about __mikem
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sebastian: i left school last year
[04:35] <unix_infidel> ok so to my actual question.
[04:35] <sebastian> I meant to put.  school ay Hobbsee.  so your about my age to then I guess.  and your quite mature.  and no this is not a suck up.  I meant that
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> ooh, we have a code of conduct?
[04:35] <exobuzz> really. laptops can be a pain.. this laptop. is mostly great. but it has a broken bios.. after 1 year, a patch got into kernel 2.6.16
[04:35] <exobuzz> phew
[04:36] <unix_infidel> the "official" kubuntu repos arent updated to include newest packages?
[04:36] <exobuzz> and thanks to the dapper devs the patch is going into 2.6.15
[04:36] <exobuzz> phew
[04:36] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> unix_infidel: No
[04:36] <unix_infidel> newest "stable"
[04:36] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: blah, ok.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ack!!!   darn!!!
[04:36] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: so how do i update kde and nothing else?
[04:36] <__mikem> Well, I am out for now. TTYL
[04:36] <sebastian> bye miek
[04:36] <sebastian> mike
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> The updated KDE updates all KDE packages.(including Konversation, Kopete, Krita, etc_
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> )*
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> So you have to update those.
[04:37] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: that's fine. but how do i updated with apt-get upgrade <meta-package>
[04:37] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: they are.  like i say, kde 3.5.1 is in dapper.
[04:37] <exobuzz> the f word surely is not being misused when referring to laptop manufacturers who build there bios's using m$ tools which create broken ACPI code
[04:37] <sebastian> I think I should be going off now to or soon.  3:37am here
[04:37] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:37] <unix_infidel> so i dont have to update the entire system.
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> You can't AFAIK.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sebastian: i thought you said you were in australia
[04:38] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: that's pretty asinine.
[04:38] <sebastian> no I said i was in ENgland
[04:38] <boogerhead> I guess an old guy doesn't belong in a world of teenie boppers...
[04:38] <unix_infidel> ah well, i guess i gotta bite the bullet and blame you guys if the system breaks.
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> I said AFAIK, not that it's impossible
[04:38] <sebastian> Hobbsee you come here quite a lot or?
[04:38] <unix_infidel> CheeseBurgerMan: lol, yea, but no one seems to know :P
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:39] <exobuzz> sebastian: where is that ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i must have misread
[04:39] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <sebastian> what exobuzz?  England in Europe :d
[04:39] <nalioth> sebastian: Hobbsee is a fixture here
[04:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not here as often as i was - i'm at uni now
[04:40] <sebastian> Hobbsee comes here a lot ok
[04:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, Hobbsee is the faucet, while robotgeek takes on the honorable position of refridgerator.
[04:40] <exobuzz> sebastian: mate, i live in england.. i know, since its friday night (saturday morning) and weve had the local chav scum drunk causing trouble outside on the way home from the pub again
[04:40] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:40] <exobuzz> as usual
[04:40] <sebastian> oh right :d
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:40] <sebastian> where abouts in England you from?
[04:40] <exobuzz> didcot, oxfordshire
[04:40] <exobuzz> u ?
[04:40] <sebastian> near Bristol
[04:40] <exobuzz> not so far. my littel sister is studying there
[04:40] <exobuzz> little
[04:41] <sebastian> what at University West of England?
[04:41] <exobuzz> she runs kubuntu.. ON TOPIC!
[04:41] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:41] <sebastian> well someone from my school.  well he is doing computer science at Oxford University now
[04:41] <robotgeek>  /whois Hobbsee
[04:41] <robotgeek> oops
[04:41] <exobuzz> she studies at Bristol university. (is ther more than one i dont know). Kubuntu (on topic) :D
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:41] <sebastian> I think there are about two or three
[04:42] <sebastian> or something like that
[04:42] <exobuzz> shes doing law.. which ever one ...
[04:42] <sebastian> heh I did Law GCSE last year at college, but well  the teachers were s hit and yeah
[04:42] <exobuzz> I never made it to Uni.. I got a cr*p job instead..  :D
[04:42] <sebastian> woudn't help us with coursework and stuff
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[04:42] <sebastian> I think most of the class failed
[04:42] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:42] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it should say #kubuntu-offtoipc
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it should say #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:43] <sebastian> you want to go to that channel exobuzz?  since I carn't private message here since not registerd
[04:43] <exobuzz> you can do law gcse ? (utilising the excellent kubuntu ) ? :D ok. ill stop now... ehm. no more offtopic
[04:43] <Hobbsee> for kubuntu
[04:43] <exobuzz> k
[04:43] <sebastian> ok go to other channel
[04:44] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:44] <ubotu> methinks kofftopic is Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:44] <Massacration> hi reveryone
[04:44] <Massacration> could anyone help this poor little boy?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> !+anyone
[04:45] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[04:45] <Massacration> ok thanks host guy
[04:47] <Massacration> i'm upgrading my kubuntu with the latest packges but i do get the message that the kdegraphics-kfile-plugins will not be upgraded
[04:47] <Massacration> what should i do? and what's that package for?
[04:47] <Massacration> bobesponja ajua ai nego
[04:48] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[04:48] <Massacration> thanks for the tip, I didn't know about that
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> you don't need the install IIRC
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> At least, I never use it
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is what I use.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:49] <Hobbsee> -install, yes
[04:49] <Massacration> but here i got the message: "couldn't find the dist-upgrade package
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:50] <Massacration> now the same olde message
[04:51] <Massacration> won't upgrade that package
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, try sudo apt-get upgrade kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
[04:53] <Massacration> same old message...
[04:53] <Massacration> thanks anyway
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grr, there's gotta be a reason for it.
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just don't know why
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:53] <Massacration> it says sothing about broken packages
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:54] <Massacration> Depende: libpoppler0c2-qt (>= 0.4.0) mas no vai ser instalado
[04:54] <Massacration> Depende: libpoppler0c2-qt (>= 0.4.0) mas no vai ser instalado
[04:54] <Massacration> depends on that package above
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, so some dependency is missing
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Doesn't apt automatically install all dependencies? :o
[04:55] <Massacration> yeah I though so...
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> CheeseBurgerMan: always as for me
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> has*
[04:56] <Hobbsee> it should
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Massacration: does it say that it's not installable, or that it's not going to be installed?
[04:56] <Massacration> another strange thing in my system, is that the whole system is in english, only the aptget is in portuguese brazilian... don't know why...
[04:56] <nalioth> Massacration: are you using non ubuntu repos?
[04:56] <Massacration> I will list my rep
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> use pastebin
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> as it says in the topic. :P
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> Otherwise you'll be automatically kicked for flooding
[04:57] <Massacration> how do i use it?
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Go to the site, paste your message, and press submit
[04:58] <Massacration> which site?
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> and it's send, not submit
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> but close. ;)
[04:59] <GNU_Style> can I compile and mane xconfig the kernel on another hdd not in usr/src --- cause my / is low on space
[04:59] <darkmatter1> hey....
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: Try the directions in the link?
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNU_Style: Not a clue
[04:59] <darkmatter1> yeah...
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> And?
[05:00] <darkmatter1> wouldnt work
[05:00] <Massacration> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/621161
[05:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grrrrrr
[05:00] <Kyral> GNU_Style: you can do it anywhere
[05:00] <darkmatter1> :/
[05:00] <Kyral> GNU_Style: /usr/src is just recommended because its usually the first place programs look for the resulting headers
[05:00] <darkmatter1> so there is no way for me to get into either os....
[05:01] <darkmatter1> or to fix this
[05:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> You can boot from the CD, and try either reinstalling GRUB, or installing LILO
[05:01] <Massacration> cheeseburgerman any coment about my reps?
[05:01] <darkmatter1> i tried reinstalling grub
[05:01] <darkmatter1> not working
[05:01] <darkmatter1> and what is LILO?
[05:01] <GNU_Style> but if I create a symlink to the extracted source file and cd in the symlink make xconfig ---it says permission denied even if i sudo or even if im root
[05:01] <Massacration> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/621161
[05:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> LILO is LInux LOader - basically the same thing as GRUB
[05:02] <darkmatter1> well
[05:02] <darkmatter1> how am I to install it?
[05:03] <Massacration> meanwhile I wait for an answer... Any good theme for KDE?
[05:03] <darkmatter1> are we sure this is a problem with grub anyways?
[05:03] <darkmatter1> the installation seemed fine to me
[05:03] <regeya> define 'good theme', Massacration
[05:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Massacration: Everything looks OK to me, but I'd hardly consider that a difinitive answer on the subject.
[05:04] <Massacration> different than the default ones
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Massacration: see kde-look.org
[05:04] <Massacration> thanks anyway cheeseburguerman
[05:04] <Massacration> but any ideas? any different theme that worth installing?
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use "Web"
[05:05] <GNU_Style> how do I use chmod to change file group and ownership?
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> changing ownership is chown
[05:05] <regeya> I mean, right now I'm using the Baghira windowborder style with a Milk scheme, the Lipstik widget style, NuoveXT icons, and a colorscheme that makes Aqua Graphite look way too flashy, and I think it's awesome.  but you might think it looks like crud, Massacration.  as someone else said, http://kde-look.org
[05:05] <regeya> !theme
[05:06] <darkmatter1> are we sure this is a problem with grub anyways?the installation seemed fine to me
[05:06] <Massacration> thanks for the long aswer man!
[05:06] <regeya> !tell Massacration about KDETheme
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> darkmatter1: I'm not sure what to suggest, sorry.
[05:06] <darkmatter1> damn
[05:07] <regeya> !tell Massacration about KDEThemes
[05:07] <darkmatter1> is there any way to get my old system back up?
[05:07] <darkmatter1> can i just tell it to boot from c/
[05:07] <darkmatter1> ?
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Boot from you Windows CD, go into the recovery console, and type in "fixmbr"
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> your*
[05:07] <darkmatter1> will i still have all my files/
[05:08] <regeya> CheeseBurgerMan: I've added that to my list of things to do to fix a windows install
[05:08] <regeya> thx
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[05:09] <darkmatter1> and, if I call a computer repair guy or something, would he know how to fix all of this?
[05:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes, you'll still have your files, it just overwrites the MBR with a standard Windows MBR
[05:09] <darkmatter1> k
[05:09] <darkmatter1> ive g2 eat
[05:09] <darkmatter1> bye
[05:13] <GNU_Style> how do I change ownership and group of <filename.tar.bz2> to <user> <group>
[05:14] <Hobbsee> sudo chown user.group /path/to/filename.tar.bz2
[05:16] <callie> ha blue yonder suck
[05:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i like part 3.7 of that guide!  wish more people would obey it!
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Which part's that again?  (It's been a while.)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> 3.7. Don't make sexual advances towards women
[05:30] <callie> darn
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Ah.  Right.  (btw, on an unrelated note, you've been opped for half an hour now.)
[05:30] <callie> lol
[05:30] <Hobbsee> good point
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i thought i might need them
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, it happens.  Just heeding Seveas' advice to point that out (since he's so guilty of it himself).
[05:31] <Massacration> Who here can consider itself addicted to computers?
[05:31] <callie> Me!
[05:31] <Massacration> me too
[05:32] <Massacration> I'm trying to quit
[05:32] <callie> im so addicted i have a spare computer so if this on dies i dont have to kill myself or wait ot get a new one
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Massacration: I'm not. :P
[05:32] <Massacration> I've spent to many of my lifetime in front of this...
[05:33] <Massacration> I use computers everyday since I was 9...
[05:33] <[Nige] > how do I install firefox 1.0.5 on kubuntu?
[05:33] <Massacration> I'm 22 now...
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Let's ddos him! Flood his ports! hack his computer! Use an rm -rf / on it!
[05:33] <[Nige] > i have downloaded the tar.gz from them
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> !firefox
[05:33] <Massacration> extract wherever ypu ant the firfox
[05:33] <[Nige] > okay
[05:33] <Massacration> and run it
[05:33] <[Nige] > where is the better place to install it?
[05:33] <[Nige] > /usr/share?
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> You don't install
[05:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just...extract
[05:34] <[Nige] > okay
[05:34] <Massacration> extract where you can't modify
[05:34] <Massacration> can modify
[05:34] <[Nige] > okay
[05:34] <Massacration> so otherwise u won't be able to update it on the future
[05:34] <Hobbsee> !tell [Nige]  about firefox1.5
[05:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, firefox1.5 - I was close.
[05:36] <Massacration> Just curious how old are you guys?
[05:38] <callie> not that curious!
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Apparently not
[05:40] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: you know, i'm starting to think this article is more and more accurate, the more of it that i read.  and maybe starting to think that i'm not so paranoid after all :P
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Yeah, we just need more people to read it now.  So feel free to drop a factoid once in a while or something I guess.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> or stick it in my quit/part message
[05:41] <Hobbsee> !women
[05:41] <ubotu> I guess women is Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ to learn how to act, mister!
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe, there we go
[05:43] <[Nige] > okay
[05:43] <[Nige] > I followd that, but it loses all my themes I apply and use when I close firefox
[05:43] <[Nige] > :S
[05:44] <oxez> I added a MIME-type in Konqueror, I named it: audio/guitar-pro. I added the files associations *.gp4, *.gp3, *.GP3, *.GP4, changed the icon that type of file. But, in konqueror (and on my desktop), those files still have the blank icon :/
[05:45] <oxez> But they open with the correct program (guitar pro 4)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Very nice.
[05:54] <GNU_Style> how do I mount my FAT32 as my <username> no root
[05:54] <callie> GNU_Style, you cant mount unless its as root, but you can give your username access
[05:55] <GNU_Style> how to do that?
[05:55] <callie>  !fstab
[05:55] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[05:56] <callie> hope that helps GNU_Style
[05:56] <GNU_Style>  /dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0111,dmask=0000)
[05:57] <GNU_Style> but still I cant extract a tarball using tar jxvf <filename.tar.bz2> it says something about permissions
[05:57] <callie> whats does it say exactly?
[05:58] <callie> it may be the mount point that needs sorting GNU_Style
[05:58] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: where are you trying to extract it to?
[05:58] <metalhedd> how do I brose the software in adept by category? is it possible?
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> metalhedd: Not that I've found. I use Kynaptic for that.
[06:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh wait
[06:00] <metalhedd> kynaptic eh? never heard of it.
[06:00] <metalhedd> i'm going to check it out.
[06:00] <callie> GNU_Style, you can just do #chown <username> /media/sda7
[06:00] <[Nige] > its a permission problem :)
[06:00] <[Nige] > did a grep to find it
[06:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> In the "Easy Tag Filter" look in Use
[06:01] <metalhedd> CheeseBurgerMan: not sure I get what you're saying. i dont see 'use' anywhere.
[06:01] <metalhedd> also kynaptic isn't in  the repo's?
[06:01] <GNU_Style> i must put the '#' before #chown?
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> !repos
[06:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> You might want to do that, metalhedd
[06:02] <callie> GNU_Style, # means as root
[06:02] <metalhedd> CheeseBurgerMan: already did. i have multiverse and universe enabled
[06:02] <metalhedd> using dapper actually
[06:02] <callie> GNU_Style, and $ mean as a user
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[06:02] <metalhedd> maybe thats why?
[06:02] <GNU_Style> callie: when extracting it says --tar: linux-source-2.6.12: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted
[06:02] <metalhedd> can I install it anyway?
[06:02] <crimsun> GNU_Style: your user needs to be in the 'src' grop
[06:02] <crimsun> group^
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> metalhedd: Yeah, that's why
[06:03] <callie> GNU_Style, or just do it as root
[06:03] <GNU_Style> yep my user is in the src group, when I used the 'groups' command
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's not in dapper's repos
[06:03] <GNU_Style> when I do it as root I cannot menu xconfig
[06:03] <metalhedd> would it work if I just found a deb somewhere?
[06:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22850
[06:04] <callie> is there a way in bash to get info on groups? their definitions that is?
[06:04] <GNU_Style> callie: im not sure
[06:05] <metalhedd> man... how did my tab completion get so damn smart?
[06:06] <metalhedd> it's way better than i remember it being in breezy
[06:11] <regeya> anyone here running dapper, and if so, any idea what would cause the initramfs-tools setup to hang?
[06:12] <metalhedd> i'm running it, but I have no idea. my install went just fine
[06:12] <regeya> dang.
[06:13] <regeya> ah.  it seems to be hanging on /usr/sbin/evms_query info, which when I run it manually, returns 'evms_open_engine() failed with error code 13: Permission denied'.
[06:13] <frank23> callie: in /etc/group ?
[06:14] <frank23> regeya: try #ubuntu+1 for dapper
[06:14] <regeya> ty frank23
[06:15] <callie> frank23, i was reffering more to what those actual groups mean as in what they give access to, ok with some its obvious but others maybe not so
[06:17] <frank23> callie: oh. i don't know I'm sure many of those are standard on linux. googling might help
[06:17] <metalhedd> ok.. debtags.  brilliant. now I understand how to use this thing
[06:17] <callie> frank23, im sure i could find out, i just wandered if there was info somewhere on the computer itself
[06:18] <frank23> callie: I don't know
[06:29] <regeya> dcc send
[06:30] <GNU_Style> dcc send
[06:30] <Teknoenie> evening all
[06:30] <Teknoenie> i can't seem to get XviD support to work again in dapper
[06:30] <Teknoenie> any ideas
[06:30] <Teknoenie> w32codecs is installed
[06:31] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: DO NOT USE THE EXPLOIT, UNLESS YOU WANT A KLINE!
[06:31] <GNU_Style> I have done a apt-get dist-upgrade but kde is still 3.5 not 3.5.1?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: did you get the repo added?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> regeya:  DO NOT USE THE EXPLOIT, UNLESS YOU WANT A KLINE!
[06:33] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: yah I did as instructed in kubuntu
[06:33] <robotgeek> Hobbsee was nice enuf to give you a warning
[06:33] <crimsun> someone's puttin' the smack down
[06:33] <crimsun> :)
[06:33] <robotgeek> hey crimsun , how you been?
[06:34] <crimsun> robotgeek: not bad, yourself?
[06:34] <robotgeek> crimsun: good, keeping myself busy with various things kubuntu
[06:35] <crimsun> cool, cool
[06:35] <regeya> Hobbsee, my apologies, and thanks for informing me that it's an exploit.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> regeya: no problems.  but it is a pain
[06:36] <regeya> Hobbsee: is it?  as far as I could tell, it's jsut a pain for the poor person instructing someone else to...well, you know.
[06:37] <regeya> you make me wonder about something in #debian, though...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> regeya: as i'm one of the people who's affected each time this is run, unless i connect to a different port (which i now do), it is rather a pain, yes!
[06:37] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: what EXPLOIT are you taking about?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: the one that you tried to use.
[06:38] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: whats that?I dont even have an Idea?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> GNU_Style: you dont need to know.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> just dont type in random commands that you dotn understand
[06:38] <regeya> no kidding.  I'm getting threatened with a kickban, and getting a fair amount of hostility, for doing what seemed to be merely taunting the bot once, and it seemed to inconvenience only myself.  Again, I'm sorry to have to cause someone to vent their spleen
[06:38] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: anyways why my KDE is still 3.5?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> i dont know
[06:39] <regeya> Setting up evms (2.5.4-5ubuntu3) ... <- hoboy
[06:39] <GNU_Style> Hobbsee: can I apt-get it manually?
[06:40] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: did you add the repos for kde 3.5.1?
[06:40] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: yes I did as instaructed in kubuntu wiki and apt-get update to download the headers
[06:41] <robotgeek> regeya: nevermind, but that was a common irc exploit causing a lot of pain to everyone
[06:41] <robotgeek> !kde3.5.1
[06:41] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:41] <unix_infidel> !kde3.5
[06:41] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:41] <frank23> Riddel said kde 3.5.2 is out for testing too
[06:41] <regeya> GNU_Style: let's just say you shouldn't ask anyone to send you files via irc, or you'll cause yourself to be kicked and apparently a large hammer to fall on Hobbsee's head.
[06:42] <robotgeek> regeya: you did it publicly, which was how the exploit was triggered
[06:42] <unix_infidel> !kde3.5.1
[06:42] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:42] <regeya> I see.
[06:43] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: what is an exploit?
[06:43] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28computer_security%29
[06:44] <VRWarper> meh with the new dapper theme for kdm
[06:44] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: the URL tells me how to add the repos but doesnt say how to install>
[06:44] <VRWarper> the background.. color.. doesnt extend the full screen
[06:44] <regeya> robotgeek, I've been workign way too hard lately to have been following any security lists...is there some sort of exploit in some popular client or something, and if so, well, I'm sorry to hear that the author/package maintainers are too inept to have fixed it yet, and I must confess I was ignorant of it.  a simple explanation rather than a glib 'you don't need to know' would have sufficed
[06:45] <VRWarper> on my laptop (which has a wider-than-normal screen)
[06:45] <VRWarper> its not really a problem except it looks ugly
[06:45] <VRWarper> :|
[06:45] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: any ideas how?
[06:46] <robotgeek> regeya: check server window
[06:46] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <frank23> VRWarper: only the background is the problem? or is it the resolution?
[06:46] <VRWarper> background
[06:46] <VRWarper> heh the resolution itself is fine
[06:46] <regeya> that's a great frank herbert bio, but hardly relevant
[06:46] <VRWarper> its not a major problem
[06:47] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: i did that already, it kust updates my 3.4 into 3.5 not 3.5.1
[06:47] <VRWarper> after i login, my own personal background stretches across the screen
[06:47] <frank23> VRWarper: well select stretch in the wallpaper configuration dialog
[06:47] <VRWarper> in kdm?
[06:47] <VRWarper> in kdm the "background" does not stretch and the login is off centered
[06:47] <frank23> VRWarper: oh.. kdm I don't know
[06:47] <VRWarper> heh
[06:48] <frank23> VRWarper: ask #ubuntu+1  maybe it's a bug
[06:48] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: can you paste your sources.list to the pastebin
[06:48] <VRWarper> also, xgl +kde crashes at the end of startup on my laptop as well (ati x700 mobile)
[06:48] <VRWarper> :( gnome runs just fine though
[06:48] <VRWarper> xgl+compiz+gnome that is
[06:49] <VRWarper> i never get far enough with xgl+kde to start compiz heh
[06:51] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: http://pastebin.com/621278
[06:52] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: ?
[06:52] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: looking, second
[06:53] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: http://pastebin.com/621281 use that as your sources.list
[06:54] <callie> time for sleep
[06:54] <callie> night guys
[06:54] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: k
[06:55] <bucky> regeya: so just because you were "threatened with bannination" its my fucking fault
[06:56] <crimsun> um
[06:56] <crimsun> let's keep that out of here, 'k?
[06:56] <crimsun> thanks.
[06:58] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: now downloading thanks for your help
[06:59] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: cool. enjoy
[07:21] <rob_> hi.. im running dapper (just reinstalled after destorying my breezy) ive installed wpa_supplicant but its missing the init.d script to start it up. can someone explain why its not there anymore or send me the script so i dont have to manually start wpa_supplicant?
[07:22] <poningru> rob_: you are supposed to use it with something else like network manager or wifi radar or whatever
[07:22] <poningru> there are many init scripts floating around
[07:22] <poningru> just google it
[07:22] <me2win> !seen eleaf
[07:22] <rob_> yea..
[07:22] <ubotu> eleaf is currently on #ubuntu+1 (13m 1s) #ubuntu-offtopic (13m 1s) #ubuntu (13m 1s)
[07:24] <poningru> rob_: if you cant find it in like 5 mins come back and bug me I will go looking around for it
[07:24] <rob_> thanks
[07:24] <luansheng> anyone could tell me than some tools for clean the trash files in the ubuntu? thanks
[07:25] <graeme> dialup modem gives lcp: timeout  sending Config-Requests with my ISP but connects to another ISP (not mine)
[07:26] <poningru> luansheng: what do you mean?
[07:26] <luansheng> my meaning is that how to clean the ubuntu for making it thin because my diskspace is very pretty
[07:26] <poningru> I still dont understand what you mean
[07:26] <poningru> rm -r ~/.Trash/*
[07:26] <poningru> just go do that
[07:27] <luansheng> ok
[07:27] <luansheng> let me try
[07:27] <poningru> what exactly do you want to do?
[07:27] <poningru> why not just go in konq and delete the stuff in that file?
[07:27] <luansheng> I want to make get more disk space
[07:28] <poningru> then just go delete it
[07:28] <luansheng> how to delete the stuff? poningru
[07:28] <nalioth> ubotu: tell luansheng about cli
[07:28] <poningru> but no I am sure we can resolve this without cli
[07:28] <poningru> he simply wants to delete the stuff from his trash
[07:29] <poningru> in konq
[07:29] <poningru> go to ~/.Trash
[07:29] <poningru> select them all and delete
[07:29] <luansheng> no, i want to get more diskspace
[07:29] <poningru> buy a new hard disk
[07:29] <poningru> OH
[07:29] <poningru> I think I understand what you are saying
[07:30] <poningru> you dont want all the extra packages that are installed by default in kubuntu?
[07:30] <Red_Herring> anyone have a spare hard drive?
[07:30] <luansheng> i also delete some unusful package that i don't know
[07:30] <Red_Herring> sudo apt-get clean
[07:30] <Red_Herring> fyi
[07:30] <poningru> luansheng: run that ^^^
[07:31] <luansheng> i have do it
[07:31] <Kyral> okay this is sketchy
[07:31] <Kyral> why does this freeze...
[07:32] <luansheng> what's cli?
[07:32] <Red_Herring> command line interface
[07:32] <luansheng> can you tell me?
[07:32] <luansheng> i want to try it
[07:32] <Red_Herring> sure
[07:32] <Red_Herring> open up a terminal
[07:32] <poningru> luansheng: what language do you speak?
[07:33] <Red_Herring> THERE YOU GO
[07:33] <luansheng> i speak chinese
[07:33] <poningru> I am sure we have support for your language
[07:33] <poningru> hmm hold on
[07:34] <luansheng> i am sorry about my pretty english
[07:34] <luansheng> I open the konsole'
[07:34] <frank23> luansheng: I don't know about breezy, but dapper (the next version of ubuntu) is supposed to have much better asian language support
[07:36] <luansheng> now i am use breezy 5.10
[07:37] <frank23> luansheng: you can try #ubuntu-zh   #ubuntu-cn  or #ubuntu-tw  but they are almost empty
[07:38] <frank23> luansheng: actually more people in 0tw
[07:38] <luansheng> ok,let me try it.
[07:38] <luansheng> i want ask a question about kubuntu
[07:39] <GNU_Style> my firefox is using a diferrent cursor from KDE apps why?
[07:39] <luansheng> i know very little pople use this os,they mostly use the windowsxp
[07:40] <frank23> GNU_Style: it's a mouse theme thing...  the forums have instructions on how to fix this I think
[07:40] <nige_> is there a bug with kubuntu and its taskbar no showing all applications?
[07:42] <me2win> nige_, not that i know of
[07:44] <nige_> okay
[07:44] <nige_> because I run dual monitors, and I only get the applications from monitor 1 showing on the application bar
[07:44] <GNU_Style> frank23: I cant find the fix
[07:45] <GNU_Style> any help
[07:45] <nige_> me2win, i post a screenshot
[07:45] <nige_> http://nige.gotdns.com/screenshot.png , its huge and I am sorry for that, but see schat is being displayed correctly
[07:51] <frank23> nige_: when I last tried dual screen it did that too. It might be normal. There might be a way around it too, I don't know
[07:52] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[07:52] <me2win> nige_, i have a big monitor, heh so i can see most of it at once width wise
[07:52] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[07:53] <_benny_> hi guy how are oyu
[07:53] <nige_> lol nice :)
[07:54] <nige_> i created a 2nd panel, so it displays both
[07:54] <nige_> :)
[07:54] <murac|> hmmh...how to install xmms ?....apt-get install cant find xmms from those repositories
[07:54] <murac|> im newbie
[07:55] <murac|> :)
[07:55] <murac|> i mean Adept
[07:55] <chavo> murac|, why xmms?
[07:55] <murac|> which is better ?
[07:55] <murac|> to play mp3
[07:55] <murac|> i dont know much ..
[07:55] <chavo> I like amarok or juk
[07:56] <chavo> they are both kde apps
[07:56] <murac|> hmmh....amarok...can i found it from default repositories ?
[07:56] <chavo> amarok is very advanced and juk for the simple player
[07:56] <chavo> it should be yes
[07:56] <murac|> hmh..ill test
[07:57] <frank23> chavo: hmm.... juk wants to remove kubuntu-desktop for me
[07:58] <murac|i> it says Package juk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:58] <murac|i> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:58] <murac|i> is only available from another source
[07:58] <murac|i> E: Package juk has no installation candidate
[07:58] <murac|i> sory to paste so long lines..
[07:58] <frank23> murac|i: xmms should be available. something is wrong with your sources
[07:59] <frank23> murac|i: using apt-get or adept?
[07:59] <frank23> murac|i: try a reload/update
[07:59] <murac|i> hmm...there is default only cd source...
[07:59] <chavo> hmm I have both juk and amarok here
[07:59] <chavo> I'm running dapper thoiugh
[07:59] <murac|i> should i add universe repositories ?
[07:59] <murac|i> from adept
[07:59] <murac|i> frank23: i used apt-get
[08:00] <frank23> chavo: juk and amarok should be fine... the problem is akode gets removed by juk
[08:00] <murac|i> frank23: which one you recommend to use ?
[08:00] <murac|i> it depends....i know :)
[08:00] <chavo> frank23, yes I see that now
[08:01] <frank23> chavo: you shouldn't need universe for xmms or juk. either is fine.  try sudo apt-get update then try install again
[08:01] <murac|i> and one more thing...how can i set default eth1 from start
[08:01] <murac|i> i had to do eth1 up
[08:01] <murac|i> dhclient eth1
[08:01] <murac|i> could u help with that
[08:01] <murac|i> :)
[08:02] <frank23> murac|i: maybe take out the cd line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <murac|i> frank23: ye i tought so...because there are only default and old packages..
[08:02] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[08:02] <frank23> murac|i: I don't know about the network thing
[08:02] <murac|i> well....i manage it myself
[08:02] <nige_> its been bugged already
[08:02] <nige_> have a look http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117835
[08:02] <Kyral> Wanna see someting reeally screwed up?
[08:03] <Kyral> Konversation and Kontact running nicely in GNOME 2.14 :D
[08:03] <me2win> i finally got my processes PHP script working. To display currently running processes on my apache server
[08:03] <murac|i> hey...does superkaramba allso found on some default repositories ?...or are there some .deb repositories for that kand if programs...(like Superkaramba)
[08:03] <frank23> GNU_Style: is superkaramba installed? I have it in the utilities menu
[08:03] <me2win> murac|, its in multiverse/universe
[08:04] <murac|i> me2win: oh...if i add them i should find superkaramba allso trough adept ?
[08:04] <me2win> yeah
[08:04] <murac|i> nice
[08:04] <murac|i> ill take out that cd breezy and add those repositories..
[08:06] <GNU_Style> frank23: KDE website say superkaramba is embeded in KDE 3.5.1
[08:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell murac|i about repos
[08:06] <nalioth> murac|i: enable the universe and multiverse repos
[08:06] <murac|i> nalioth: there are only universe repositories shown..
[08:07] <murac|i> not multiverse at all..
[08:07] <frank23> GNU_Style: ok maybe it is. try superkaramba in a console
[08:07] <nalioth> murac|i: read the wiki page ubotu just PMd you
[08:07] <murac|i> havent done anything...just installed kubuntu
[08:08] <murac|i> why the uinverse and main restricted repository addresses are same ?
[08:09] <murac|i> and should i add deb-src repos...or are those only for source code ?
[08:10] <frank23> murac|i: they are only for source
[08:11] <murac|i> ok
[08:15] <nalioth> murac|i: you may add them if you wish, they are good to have enabled
[08:21] <murac|i> nalioth: now i found superkaramba etc..
[08:21] <murac|i> i followed wiki
[08:21] <murac|i> had to write manually that multiverse....dont know why
[08:22] <murac|i> i think these wikis are really good help for beginners
[08:22] <murac|i> like TLDP howtos
[08:22] <murac|i> :E
[08:22] <nalioth> murac|i: we think so, too. that is why we write them
[08:23] <murac|i> ye..its easy to learn fast if there are specific wikis to follow
[08:23] <murac|i> i have used solaris before but its little different from this...its unix
[08:23] <murac|i> hmmh...kind same
[08:23] <murac|i> tough
[08:27] <murac|i> nalioth: which were the good mp3 players...amarok and ?
[08:28] <murac|i> and which one is good movie player which plays divx,xvid and all formats of video...
[08:28] <nalioth> murac|i: the nice thing about linux is all the programs are free
[08:28] <murac|i> nalioth: i know... i have used unix
[08:28] <nalioth> murac|i: use them all and keep the one(s) you like
[08:28] <murac|i> im programmer..
[08:28] <murac|i> but little newbie with linux
[08:29] <murac|i> nalioth: thats very true....all is free
[08:29] <murac|i> and legal etc..
[08:29] <murac|i> :)
[08:30] <murac|i> sorry my little bad english...i have used to write so fast that i dont think specific words
[08:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell murac|i about multimedia
[08:30] <frank23> murac|i: I use kaffeine-xine     install w32codecs
[08:30] <nalioth> more wiki pages coming your way, murac|i
[08:30] <murac|i> sure..
[08:30] <murac|i> nalioth: oh that bot gave me instructions :)..nice
[08:31] <Psi-Jack> Now, that was totally unexpected. :)
[08:31] <Psi-Jack> I found a 1.9GB logfile in my /var/log tree. :)
[08:31] <murac|i> :D
[08:31] <murac|i> haha
[08:31] <murac|i> why so big ?
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> For something, I never used, even. It was the crossfire-server logfile. :)
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> But, I do have a situation.
[08:33] <Psi-Jack> In X, I can't seem to use CTRL+ALT+Fx to switch to a console.
[08:37] <GNU_Style> escputil
[08:37] <GNU_Style> how to run superkaramba in KDE 3.5.1 they say its included in the release?
[08:40] <murac|i> well now my repositories are working fine...
[08:40] <murac|i> i think ubuntu finds nearest/fastest repositories..
[08:40] <murac|i> well..not ubuntu but adep
[08:54] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. Time to try out XFCE 4 for a change. :)
[09:04] <hara> hello. any ati owners around?
[09:11] <kosh> yeah I have two ati cards in this machine
[09:13] <hara> with 3d-accel working with latest ati-drivers?
[09:18] <glick> hello?
[09:19] <glick> scuse me what version of kde are you all using?
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Does XFCE4 for Breezy have extreme problems or something?
[09:20] <glick> i dont think so why?
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> Because, first time I started it. It was just a rounded corner background image. And nothing more.
[09:21] <nalioth_zZz> Psi-Jack: did you install "xubuntu-desktop" ?
[09:21] <glick> ?
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, No, I didn't.
[09:22] <glick> what kde version are you all running?
[09:22] <nalioth_zZz> Psi-Jack: try that, it will give you a full xfce4 desktop
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.. I see.. How do I remove the old xfce session/configuration stuff?
[09:24] <nalioth_zZz> Psi-Jack: it's not necessary
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> nalioth_zZz: But, I got it to partially work, one out of 3 times I started it. heh
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> But, different times, it does different things.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> Sometimes, the right-click and middle-click will actually DO something on the desktop, sometimes now.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> not
[09:26] <Psi-Jack> And the xfce settings doesn't work.
[09:28] <Psi-Jack> So.. I think it matters, that nothing works. :)
[09:28] <nalioth_zZz> then rm ~/.xfce  no? Psi-Jack
[09:30] <Psi-Jack> Huh. This is even wierder. When I startx, it starts to start, and I see the background, and what looks like the panel, but then it dies and leaves back to console. I'd been running it from kdm.
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> Well, this is quite upsetting.
[09:36] <cycus_zwisus> has anyone tried to upgrade to kde 3.5.2 recently?
[09:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, 3.5.2 is out?
[09:40] <cycus_zwisus> Psi_Jack, not officialy yet but there are already packages for breezy and dapper
[09:40] <Psi-Jack> Wow. Heh
[09:40] <heinkel_111> good morning :)
[09:41] <Psi-Jack> What was this about KDE 3.5.1? Is there official packages for it?
[09:41] <reon> Psi-Jack: Yip look at the Kubuntu home page. Been there for a while
[09:42] <Psi-Jack> I know 3.5.0 has, but didn't know about 3.5.1.
[09:43] <cycus_zwisus> kubuntu.org/packages
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> I keep having a major problem with KDE, keeping it running for days, and it bogging down so horribly bad, that it pretty much locks up my system.
[09:44] <heinkel_111> restart KDE ?
[09:44] <heinkel_111> unless you have something precious running on top of course
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> heinkel_111: Well, generally, I'm the only one that uses it. :p
[09:45] <wawa_> v
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> But, I'd like to also not have ot restart it, as if it were a windows system, either. Not quite as bad, as a full reboot, (which I still do regularly even in VMWare'd Windows :p), but still, annoying.
[09:46] <kosh> if you run top what is taking up all the time?
[09:47] <heinkel_111> Psi-Jack: wintendo has to be restarted...in kubuntu at least you can restart only the dekstop environment :)
[09:47] <heinkel_111> i think one of your apps must be moemory leaking
[09:49] <kosh> actually most of the reasons that windows has problems now is hardware and software that is not part of the os
[09:49] <kosh> ie norton software can bring anything to its knees
[09:49] <kosh> and a bad power supply will screw over anything
[09:49] <kosh> and most people have very bad pos power supplies
[09:50] <kosh> just because something says 300W and your computer only need 200W does not mean it will work since the cheap power supplies seem to become unstable at half their rated power or so
[09:50] <kosh> so your video card goes under voltage during load, generates something weird as a result, the driver freaks out and windows dies
[09:51] <kosh> windows sucks in a lot of ways but most stability problems are hardware and very bad software
[09:52] <heinkel_111> and the way people use ut
[09:52] <heinkel_111> us it
[09:52] <heinkel_111> omg the typos
[09:52] <heinkel_111> USE IT
[09:52] <heinkel_111> I know people that keep reformatting all their disk and reinstalling etc. every 3rd month on windows
[09:53] <heinkel_111> how do they get all that malware?
[09:53] <heinkel_111> 1. it exists and it works on their system
[09:53] <kosh> I know I have managed to run some w2k boxes that have no spyware and have not been reinstalled in about 2 years
[09:53] <heinkel_111> 2. they don't do the necessary precautions like running a GOOD AV system and spyware cleaner
[09:54] <heinkel_111> kosh: same here, but not without precautions
[09:54] <kosh> the primary way people get nailed is running IE and downloading random crap
[09:54] <heinkel_111> yup :)
[09:54] <kosh> use firefox and don't download screensavers, shareware games etc
[09:54] <hatake_kakashi> running everything as administrator is a pure sign for trouble.. more or less the same theory applies to running everything as root
[09:55] <Psi-Jack> Oh. D'uh me.
[09:55] <mornfall> or remove winders :)
[09:55] <Psi-Jack> I have 3.5.1. LOl
[09:55] <heinkel_111> the most important  part of any protection system is 60 cm from the screen :P
[09:55] <heinkel_111> mornfall:  removing windows is a cheap soution
[09:55] <mornfall> in the spirit that there are no other errors than pebkac
[09:56] <Wingede> when is the next version due out? - sorry if this is asked all the time :)
[09:56] <heinkel_111> no more hardwork with all the spyware cleeaning, firewall constructions etc etc
[09:56] <hatake_kakashi> !tell Wingede about dapper
[09:56] <Psi-Jack> Supposed to be next month sometime. :)
[09:56] <Psi-Jack> Making it, 6.4
[09:56] <Wingede> ty hatake_kakashi
[09:57] <kosh> my point though it that windows is not as bad as many people make it out to be stability wise
[09:57] <kosh> since w2k whenever I have found a windows box constantly crashing it has almost always been hardware
[09:57] <mornfall> no, but they are horrible usability-wise -- at least for a long time kde/unix person
[09:57] <kosh> or something like starforce
[09:57] <kosh> I have been using kde since one of the betas before 1.0
[09:58] <kosh> and I have used linux for all my desktop and work stuff for about 10 years now
[09:58] <kosh> I just have windows for games
[09:58] <mornfall> i can't get a grip on a system that doesn't resize windows on alt-drag
[09:58] <kosh> however I like accuracy of information and I still have had to deal with windows boxes
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh, StarForce. Most annoying thing for legit buyers.
[09:58] <hatake_kakashi> bad programming and/or corporate greed has more or less cause the instability of windows
[09:58] <mornfall> or move them
[09:58] <heinkel_111> kosh...i think that windows for games will change
[09:58] <heinkel_111> sometime soon
[09:58] <reon> Psi-Jack: Give dapper a try, you will be pleasently supprised. Looks shithot
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> reon: Shithot, eh? That's a new term for webster. :)
[09:59] <kosh> well if I had nvidia cards on this box instead of ati I would probably try to do the games more under linux
[09:59] <heinkel_111> 64 bit linux is just more effective...i don't know why performance hungry gamers use a 2nd rate OS
[09:59] <reon> lol
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> reon: I've been waiting for it to release before actually going with it.
[09:59] <mornfall> kosh: not to mention ctrl+h, ctrl+w not working
[09:59] <mornfall> kosh: did i mention the shell being useless? :)
[09:59] <mornfall> etc
[09:59] <mornfall> every now and then i have to do something to some windows box
[09:59] <kosh> I like to know the truth about various products not just the bs that people repeat on forums
[09:59] <mornfall> and more time passes the more lost i get :)
[09:59] <hatake_kakashi> you can still play games on linux via ATI, but your options maybe limited. However, I am soon to test that theory fully out
[10:00] <reon> Psi-Jack: I installed it yesterday and I must say it looks much better than breezy and also feels way faster
[10:00] <reon> and i havent even updated my nvidia drivers yet
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> reon: Did you clean install? heh
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> Xorg 7, mind you, itself is a bit faster, so that makes some difference.
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> Beyond that, I don't see how it could be any faster ,unless the kernel was compiled differently, with more desktop-oriented settings.
[10:01] <reon> Psi-Jack: Yes, I basically said _uck it and popped the cd in
[10:01] <Psi-Jack> reon: That's why it seemed faster, then, most likely.
[10:01] <Psi-Jack> A clean system always feels faster. :)
[10:02] <reon> It definately feels faster, not my imagination. Bootup times have also been reduced. Overall a very polished package so far
[10:02] <reon> Anybody seen Riddell around, maybe he can comment on the speed issue
[10:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I assume there's not any Breezy to Dapper upgrading docs, yet?
[10:05] <reon> I would not do a dist-upgrade, prefer a clean install
[10:05] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: I have two radeon cards, the binary ati driver will only activate one of them, that is true under linux and windows
[10:05] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: crossfire?
[10:05] <Psi-Jack-v2> Well, one of the big reasons, out of all the other binary-based distributions of Linux there are, why I chose Kubuntu, was because of dist-upgrade.
[10:05] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so I can't use it with 3d, I already checked with nvidia and they sent me a config file for running two of their cards at a time with 4 monitors and 3d accel on all of them
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: no I have an x850 and a 9250
[10:06] <hatake_kakashi> ahh
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: if the cards are different the ati driver won't start both of them
[10:06] <Psi-Jack> And, so, when I upgrade to dapper, it'll be dist-upgraded to it.
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so my next upgrade is definitely to nvidia which not only has a far better documented driver but when I asked the question I got a config file
[10:07] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: my point about windows though is people nail them for so much crap that is their own fault instead of looking at what they do right and also nailing them for what they really did do wrong
[10:07] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: afaik, the last I heard is that they use optimisation codes to rig the benchmarks against ATI, some rumors are still floating around declaring that is true
[10:07] <reon> I just had a though. You know when you can't always remember a command. It would be nice to have a feature similair to Cisco IOS cli. You can start typing what you think the command is follow by a question mark and it will give you all commands that start like that.
[10:07] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: like naling them for their crappy file locking system, the fragmentation issue for long running processes and realloc etc
[10:08] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: ati just got nailed for cheating in 3dmark06 also
[10:08] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: however I don't care about the benchmarks, I want quad head xinerama with opengl acceleration
[10:09] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so I can use aigl or xgl to offload tasks to the video cards that the cpu are currently doing
[10:09] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: yeah then in that case Nvidia is better
[10:09] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: quad head is fairly cpu intensive
[10:11] <kosh> however while windows is not a very good os, linux and bsd are only slightly better ,none of them will ever be very reliable or secure without a complete redesign
[10:12] <kosh> http://www.coyotos.org/  that should be fundamentally far more stable and secure but even something like qnx now is far more stable then linux will pretty much ever get to
[10:13] <mornfall> people that can use debuild, running dapper and willing to test new adept beta?
[10:14] <hatake_kakashi> There was also another one, something like plan9 or something, some person ranted on in another channel declaring its security is superior from ground up
[10:14] <rumple> Hi everyone...
[10:15] <kosh> hi rumple
[10:15] <hatake_kakashi> Guten Tag
[10:15] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: plan9 is probably a fair bit better then the unixes and windows but worse then those that I listed
[10:15] <mornfall> not everyone at once...
[10:15] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: however even the languages we use to write software in is not very well suited to making better software
[10:16] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: well what can I say.. 'Its built by humans for humans' :)
[10:16] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: the functional style languages are FAR easier to parallelize and don't run into issues with threads and race conditions
[10:16] <heinkel_111> does anyone have any experience with automatix? if so do you  recommmend it or would you rather do the the install work manually?
[10:17] <hatake_kakashi> !tell heinkel_111 about automatix
[10:18] <kosh> early next year quad core chips will be coming out from amd and intel
[10:18] <heinkel_111> hatake_kakashi: thank you...*goes back to wrestling with the right repositories, sudo apt-get and all that*....
[10:18] <nalioth_zZz> heinkel_111: it's best if you do it manually
[10:18] <kosh> and they are supposed to get even more cores
[10:18] <kosh> however writing code in c,c++,java,etc that scales efficiently is VERY VERY hard
[10:18] <xst> Where do I report bugs for the Kubuntu Dapper release?
[10:19] <nalioth_zZz> !bugtracker
[10:19] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:19] <kosh> I did an upgarde from breezy to dapper and that was interesting to get it working right :)
[10:19] <kosh> since xorg changed a lot
[10:19] <kosh> so my config file would not work anymore
[10:22] <xst> ok - in the same bugtracker as ubuntu? Apparently
[10:22] <nalioth_zZz> xst: ubuntu is the name of the distro, dapper is the code name for the next version
[10:23] <kosh> and if you tell anyone about the code there will be very bad consequences from the penguin mafia :)
[10:28] <duality> hi, is there any way of adjusting the graphics cards shared memory unde kubuntu? i chose 256Mb under windows and now i need to change it to lower
[10:29] <duality> i cant change it in bios either, but in windows i had 128/256Mb option
[10:29] <kosh> sorry no clue on that one
[10:29] <kormi> hi there all:)
[10:29] <duality> k
[10:29] <duality> hi
[10:29] <kormi> I am here new
[10:29] <heinkel_111> welcome kormi :)
[10:29] <kosh> how do you know how much it is using under linux?
[10:29] <kormi> thank u :)
[10:29] <kormi> just installed for the first time kubuntu :)
[10:30] <duality> i got 1024 in total and when i boot it shows about 750 from bios
[10:30] <duality> so that means its using 256
[10:30] <heinkel_111> kormi: you will find newbies like me and you here, and more experienced users that are quite helpful, thankfully :)
[10:30] <raphink> congrats kormi
[10:31] <kormi> :)
[10:31] <kormi> I have little problem now :D
[10:31] <kormi> I am on Compaq Presario M200, and my wifi seems to be down
[10:31] <kormi> hmm
[10:31] <frank23> duality: you have a shared memory video card using 256 MB of RAM?? Is it any good? If you don't play games change that to like 8 or 16 MB
[10:32] <kormi> i enabled it , and it disabled it in a while
[10:32] <kormi> interesting :)
[10:32] <root> hmm
[10:32] <root> mein Ubuntu geht wieder o,O
[10:32] <root> also die neue version
[10:32] <root> auch gut
[10:32] <root> WAH warum heis ich root xD
[10:32] <duality> frank23: i know but how do i change it? its the UMA buffer or something, i had the option to change it under windows, but how do i do it in linux?
[10:32] <kosh> no idea what you are saying
[10:32] <kevsti> ups falscher chan -.-
[10:32] <kosh> however rule #1 DO NOT IRC AS ROOT
[10:33] <mornfall> kosh: well -- it's he who will get rooted not you ;-)
[10:33] <frank23> duality: you could do it in windows? that was probably the driver doing it. is it intel? not sure if there is an equivalent way in linux
[10:33] <kormi> Does anybody now st about WIFI in KUBUNTU ?:) pliz msg me
[10:33] <kormi> :)
[10:34] <duality> frank23: yes, the ati tools
[10:34] <frank23> duality: what options do you have in bios?
[10:34] <duality> frank23: i dont have the option to change it in bios
[10:34] <duality> lol @ ati
[10:34] <kosh> mornfall: it is a very bad idea anyways and all newbies should be told that
[10:34] <kosh> it sould not even be possible to run these programs as root
[10:34] <heinkel_111> kormi: did you try a search on http://www.kubuntuforums.net
[10:34] <heinkel_111> ?
[10:34] <kosh> by default root should not be allowed to run anything and only specific programs should then be added to the allowed apps that root can run
[10:34] <kormi> hmm, not :)
[10:35] <kormi> should I? ;)
[10:35] <heinkel_111> i dont have wifi on linux myself, but i think it is not unusual to have some problems that needs fixing
[10:35] <heinkel_111> no ... don't do it :P
[10:35] <duality> ill have to install windows and change it then reinstall Kubuntu i think =(
[10:35] <frank23> duality: do you think changes stick like that?
[10:36] <mornfall> kosh: unix has a long tradition of absolutely not getting in your way when you want to shoot yourself
[10:36] <duality> frank23: they do
[10:36] <raphink> mornfall: lol
[10:36] <frank23> duality: what does cat /proc/meminfo give you?
[10:36] <kosh> mornfall: some things are deviating from that
[10:36] <duality> frank23: the changes show in bios at boot, for how much RAM is counted
[10:36] <mornfall> kosh: (or alternatively, unix gives you enough rope to hang yourself... and then few meters more just in case)
[10:36] <kosh> mornfall: like kde and gnome both warning you if you try to do stuff as root
[10:37] <kosh> mornfall: and some server programs refusing to run as root like zope for instance, even if you start it as root it will switch to another user, you can not force it to run as root
[10:37] <frank23> duality: that option should be in bios. If not, it still should be
[10:37] <duality> frank23: wich line should i look at?
[10:37] <kosh> frank23: it is probably in the bios on the video card and can only be programmed from the windows driver
[10:37] <frank23> duality: memtotal
[10:37] <duality> its not in bios belive me, ive even upgraded to newest bios
[10:37] <kosh> you probably have to change it from windows
[10:37] <mornfall> kosh: yes i know -- but those apps are usually so full of holes you *really* don't want them to access root, aren't they? ;-)
[10:37] <duality> MemTotal:       773436 kB
[10:38] <duality> but i got 2 512 MB sticks
[10:38] <frank23> kosh: ok. I didn't know that existed. is it only ati cards shared on ati chipset MB?
[10:38] <kosh> mornfall: well zope is probably the most secure environment out there
[10:38] <frank23> duality: I guess you're right
[10:38] <kosh> frank23: all video cards have a bios in them
[10:38] <kosh> frank23: you just normally don't notice it
[10:38] <duality> frank23: yeah, ati XPRESS 200M
[10:38] <mornfall> kosh: zope?
[10:38] <mornfall> kosh: are you sure?
[10:38] <frank23> kosh: yeah I know that...
[10:39] <mornfall> isn't it built on python?
[10:39] <kosh> mornfall: web app server
[10:39] <frank23> duality: there still might be a linux utility that can do it though. I don't know
[10:39] <kosh> yup it is built in python
[10:39] <duality> yeah ill keep looking a bit before reinstalling , thnx anyways frank23
[10:39] <mornfall> i don't trust python the slightest bit (ever tried to run it in valgrind?)
[10:39] <kosh> it has better security then any java, php, perl, ruby, etc framework
[10:40] <duality> i thought id choose 256MB for XGL
[10:40] <mornfall> that's a bold statement too :)
[10:40] <duality> will 128 be enough
[10:40] <duality> ?
[10:40] <kosh> check the security reports on it
[10:41] <mornfall> i would almost say that by the virtue of complexity it has to be less secure than simplistic systems :)
[10:41] <kosh> the entire codebase has been audited many times
[10:41] <frank23> duality: my guess is even less than 128 would be enough for XGL. not much happening compared to a game
[10:41] <mornfall> kosh: i think that's true for sendmail and it doesn't give it much in terms of security reputation :)
[10:41] <duality> frank23: k
[10:42] <mornfall> kosh: there were 3 fairly unfortunate advisories abot zope in 2002
[10:42] <mornfall> i guess it's comparable to bind9 in these terms :)
[10:43] <kosh> not exploitable without an account with edit privelages and document creation privelages
[10:43] <kosh> so a user of the website can't exploit it
[10:43] <mornfall> ZCatalog plug-in index support capability for Zope 2.4.0 through 2.5.1
[10:43] <mornfall> allows anonymous users and untrusted code to bypass access
[10:43] <mornfall> restrictions and call arbitrary methods of catalog indexes. (CAN-2002-0688)
[10:43] <mornfall> it says anonymous user
[10:44] <kosh> that one is not harmful in practice
[10:44] <mornfall> and a dos that allows shutting down zope with forged headers
[10:44] <kosh> you can call the method but the return from the method is checked for security and it gets blocked for that
[10:44] <mornfall> there's one denial of service with bind9 since 2002 -- and it's still considered insecure
[10:44] <kosh> so one part of the security failed but another part catches it
[10:44] <glick> hey does xgl work with any desktop?
[10:44] <kosh> still a bug but not very serious
[10:45] <mornfall> and, well, i wouldn't trust zope to manage my boots
[10:45] <frank23> duality: oh and xgl only works in dapper
[10:45] <mornfall> (boots as in shoes)
[10:45] <mornfall> no matter
[10:45] <kosh> mornfall: it has the best security record of any of the frameworks I have seen
[10:46] <mornfall> kosh: the only thing that tells to me is that web app frameworks have poor security record (which is nothing new) :)
[10:46] <kosh> mornfall: the java, perl, php, ruby etc frameworks I have looked at usually accumulate more problems in a week then zope has in the last 7 years
[10:46] <ganymed> hallo
[10:46] <ganymed> i need some help with kvpnc
[10:46] <kosh> mornfall: that seems like a darn good record, only about 5-6 problems in the last 7 years and none serious
[10:46] <glick> is anyone running kde 3.5.1?
[10:47] <ganymed> yes
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: the linux kernel and just about everything else has a FAR worse record then that
[10:47] <mornfall> i can't seem to find any security advisory about RoR for that matter
[10:47] <glick> ganymed, is that much more stable then 3.4?
[10:47] <ganymed> what do you mean?
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: ror does not even include any kind of security framework, everything is allowed by default
[10:47] <glick> ganymed, oh i thought you were saying "yes" to me
[10:47] <ganymed> ?
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: hard to have a broken security setup that way ;)
[10:48] <glick> ganymed, nevermind
[10:48] <mornfall> ruby has sandboxing as part of the language as far as i know
[10:48] <heinkel_111> will this be a correct url for the multiverse repository? ---> http://countrycode.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[10:48] <mornfall> either way, i do not use web frameworks... useless
[10:48] <ganymed> all the progs that used to work still work, the ones that do not, still don't (except the network modul, which i haven't tested, yet)
[10:48] <mornfall> so i could care less
[10:49] <[Nige] > how do I disable the system bell?
[10:49] <kosh> mornfall: so how would you suggest to build large corporate intranet systems with tens of thousands to millions of documents?
[10:49] <ganymed> kvpnc always wants that i enter a password for my wlan, but it doesn't provide me with a prompt or sth. vpn works... any ideas?
[10:50] <mornfall> definitely not by using python :)
[10:51] <kosh> mornfall: http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/release24-maint/Misc/README.valgrind
[10:51] <simian> yesterday i took my first apache step and set up 2 linux box on a network and made one of them an apache web server and the other could read the pages off of it
[10:51] <kosh> mornfall: by default valgrind does not work with how python allocates memory correctly even though it does not leak
[10:51] <simian> but that was only usung a lan ip 192.168 and so on - what do i have to do to let everyone access it?
[10:52] <mornfall> kosh: python interpreter is a massive kludge -- not unlike the language itself :)
[10:53] <[Nige] > any ideas?
[10:53] <mornfall> kosh: as for valgrind, i am not talking about leaks
[10:53] <mornfall> more about ==8952== ERROR SUMMARY: 893 errors from 113 contexts (suppressed: 0 from 0)
[10:53] <mornfall> that's valgrind running on an empty program
[10:53] <kosh> mornfall: so what do you think the problem is? about the only language I can think of that is probably better would be something like lisp
[10:53] <mornfall> (no other interpreter i used suffers from this)
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[10:54] <mornfall> kosh: python is awful language sorry
[10:54] <kosh> mornfall: that is covered in the url I gave to you, valgrind gets confused because python uses pymalloc
[10:54] <kosh> mornfall: so can you actually answer any question other then just trolling?
[10:55] <simian> rumple: ok i better get my ruters manual out thatn...thanks
[10:55] <mornfall> kosh: the problem? the language is inconsistent, most features are bolted on the original design and somehow don't fit
[10:55] <mornfall> kosh: scoping is all messed up
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[10:56] <mornfall> i was thruogh this flame long ago so i don't even recall everything
[10:56] <mornfall> i have stayed away from python after trying to use it few times
[10:56] <kosh> mornfall: so can you give a single specific thing and not just throw generalizations?
[10:56] <kosh> mornfall: however you still did not cover how you could do a very large app without using any of the frameworks, any security you write yourself will end up being far worse
[10:57] <kosh> mornfall: and zope and python both have better security records then the kernel, apache and darn near everything else except qmail or postfix
[10:59] <Tonio_> hi
[11:01] <ganymed_> how do i setup kwallet?
[11:02] <kosh> ganymed_: hmm just run alt-f2 kwallet and it should walk you through the setup
[11:03] <glick> i dont get what kwallet is exactly
[11:04] <ganymed_> is kwallet used by kvpnc?
[11:04] <kosh> and encrypted password repository
[11:04] <puckman> anyone read this: http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127
[11:04] <kosh> no idea if it is used by that program
[11:04] <ganymed_> kosh: doesn't work
[11:05] <ganymed_> seems to be kwalletmanager
[11:05] <glick> is anyone running kde 3.5.1?
[11:05] <ganymed_> glick: are u asking again the same stuff?
[11:05] <kosh> I am running 3.5.1
[11:05] <glick> kosh, is it more stable then 3.4.3 cause i had some issues with that
[11:06] <ganymed_> great, kwalletmanager crashes...
[11:07] <glick> who would i send a pmount bug report too?
[11:08] <glick> the ubuntu project or the Author
[11:08] <glick> ?
[11:08] <kosh> glick: I have not had crashes in pretty much any version of kde in a very long time
[11:08] <kosh> glick: the arts crashes went away for me with 2.0 or so
[11:08] <glick> kosh, kongueror crashes ALL the time on me
[11:09] <heinkel_111> hello!
[11:10] <heinkel_111> how do i change default font size in kde for my root account?
[11:10] <locomorto> kosh: Have you used 3.3?
[11:10] <locomorto> That thing segfaulted on me like no tomorrow
[11:10] <heinkel_111> in Adept i get letters the size of "Jesus Comes" newspaper headlines
[11:10] <kosh> locomorto: I have used every version of kde since something before 1.0
[11:10] <glick> amarok is a sweet app
[11:10] <kosh> I almost never have konqueror crash
[11:11] <kosh> the only pages I have run into where ones that had really nasty javascript
[11:11] <heinkel_111> amaroK <3 <3 <3 
[11:11] <locomorto> amaroK > sliced bread
[11:11] <kosh> however I don't have flash installed and won't allow it anywhere on this network and I usually leave javascript turned off
[11:11] <glick> whats wrong with flash?
[11:11] <locomorto> it well, sucks :)
[11:11] <glick> its not bad
[11:12] <glick> my friend developed this cool addictive ass game in flash calle quadradius
[11:12] <glick> ever hear of it?
[11:12] <locomorto> Well it depends, sometimes it works smooth as butter, and other times causes the house to come burning down even time you think of looking at a flash file :/
[11:13] <locomorto> No actually, link?
[11:13] <glick> www.quadradius.com
[11:13] <glick> the lobby is prolly dead now cause its 5am here
[11:13] <kosh> glick: well flash has had a bunch of security problems that macromedia seems to be happy to ignore for one
[11:14] <kosh> glick: it allows any flash app to write data locally that can be read by any other flash app
[11:14] <kosh> glick: it is probably the most annoying plugin ever
[11:14] <mornfall> kosh: for a small extract -- self. (or was it this.) everywhere, __foo__, (still?) impossible to inherit builtin types, runtime extension of objects only possible with big nasty hacks, no continuations, crippled closures (due to awkward scope rules)... that would be about what i can recall without much looking at it again
[11:14] <heinkel_111> (CRIES uhuuuuhuhu *Teaaars*) where in the world can I find the  gstreamer0.8-lame package?
[11:14] <kosh> glick: and by getting rid of you you block nearly all the crap
[11:15] <glick> heh
[11:15] <mornfall> kosh: anyway i do not want to debate the individual items -- you wanted concrete things so here they are
[11:15] <kosh> mornfall: you can inherit from any builtin type and have been able to do that for many years now, extending objects at runtime is trivial, self. is there on purpose and will not be changed since it is better to be explicit
[11:15] <kosh> mornfall: oh yeah and continuations have existed for about 3 years now also
[11:16] <mornfall> kosh: continuations? you mean stackless? stackless isn't python
[11:16] <kosh> mornfall: no I mean things like generators
[11:17] <glick> yeah kde apps are pretty sweet
[11:18] <locomorto> hopefully xgl and kde will play nice in time for dapper
[11:18] <glick> i think ill be perfectly happy with a humble 2-d desktop
[11:18] <glick> i just want to do work on my computer
[11:19] <mornfall> kosh: well, python generators... are they iterable yet? i'm not sure if this is what my problem with this was, but can i iterate a generated sequence like i would iterate normal iterator?
[11:19] <mornfall> kosh: (and no, generators are not it)
[11:19] <locomorto> Well its more the performance increases. Ok I lied. But there there :)
[11:19] <glick> if i want to see hot 3d eye-candy ill go to my local  strip club
[11:21] <kosh> mornfall: generators are always iterable
[11:22] <kosh> mornfall: all iteration in python is done with the iteration protocol, generators adhere to that protocol  that is how you can do for line in somefile:  and it will read the file in fairly small chunks at a time instead of all at once, the file object is a generator among other things
[11:23] <glick> heh k3b says my medium doesnt support write speed at 7024450x turning down speed to 8x
[11:23] <glick> hehe no crapp
[11:24] <kosh> this kind of stuff is why I try to get accurate information on things
[11:24] <kosh> glick: hehe, but wouldn't it be cool if that worked :)
[11:24] <glick> hehe
[11:24] <glick> mybe when quandum drives come out
[11:25] <hatake_kakashi> coasters.. anyone? :)
[11:25] <locomorto> What is this whole times thing anyway? I think they should just set 1x as 1bit per second then we culd have 1.024 x 10^12 x drives!
[11:27] <mornfall> kosh: for some reason my list-extended class is not iterable
[11:27] <glick> im runnin k3b on ubuntu-desktop
[11:27] <mornfall> ah okey
[11:27] <mornfall> i got it
[11:27] <simian> where can i find out my ip address (public)
[11:27] <mornfall> whatever :)
[11:27] <locomorto> www.whatismyip.com
[11:28] <reon> Anyone here know superkaramba ?
[11:28] <kosh> what I am looking forward to is later this year samsung is supposed to have 30gb flash drives come out for regular computer usage
[11:28] <mornfall> kosh: well, before i disappear, can you tell me how to extend an existing object?
[11:28] <nico8481> hi
[11:28] <simian> locomorto: thanks
[11:28] <glick> kosh, im sure the'll be nice and expensive too
[11:28] <kosh> $750, about 5% the power of a regular drive and 3 times faster with no moving parts
[11:28] <locomorto> only $1 dollar per megabyte too! I can just see it :'(
[11:28] <kosh> mornfall: you mean like just inheriting from a class or something else?
[11:29] <locomorto> only 3 times?
[11:29] <kosh> well at $750 for 30 gigs that is great for a database server
[11:29] <mornfall> kosh: hmh? no, i get an object from something and i want to add a method to the instance
[11:29] <kosh> yeah itis not a fast as regular ram
[11:29] <kosh> mornfall: oh instance.somemethod = method
[11:29] <locomorto> kosh: what about the limited writes?
[11:30] <kosh> mornfall: for example you can do def foo(self, args): dosomething     and you can do anyobject.somemethod = foo
[11:30] <locomorto> I don't know if its just my flash file as well, but they seem to have a very low i/o operations per second
[11:30] <kosh> locomorto: about 500K writes/cell and the drive takes care of that on its own
[11:30] <locomorto> = not good for a database
[11:30] <kosh> locomorto: you will stop using the device before you exceed the writes on it
[11:31] <kosh> locomorto: if you just replace the drives every few years you will have no issues, most hard drives don't survive long enough to even get that many writes to a sector
[11:31] <locomorto> I thought the whole point of putting a flash drive in a server would be that it wouldn't die often?
[11:32] <mornfall> kosh: i know i tried that but it did not work for me (i probably needed to add a whole bunch of methods eventually not knowing their names -- extend an object with a new class)
[11:32] <kosh> mornfall: in python all functions are first class objects, there is no distinction between a string attribute and a method that you add
[11:32] <locomorto> It not like its cheaper (yet)
[11:32] <locomorto> Its*
[11:32] <kosh> mornfall: all functions are is just callable objects
[11:32] <glick> omg!
[11:33] <kosh> locomorto: it would still end up being cheaper, you would save a lot in power
[11:33] <glick> when k3b finihes burnin whos bright idea was to make it play a bugle thingie
[11:34] <locomorto> *tries to remember physics from last year*
[11:34] <mornfall> kosh: shame i rmd the code i wrote for that, but i know the foo.x = something did not work for the situation (it ended up being horribly messy by either hardcoding what i add to the object or using some method_missing equivalent that had to look up methods in different objects)
[11:35] <glick> hey does kubuntu come with a decent firewall setup app?
[11:36] <mornfall> kosh: (which is generally the problem with python i have, things that i expect to work (like, when you use some language you expect some things to work -- works with ruby very well, works with c++, works with scheme) -- they don't... they have somehow different semantics or just don't support what i want to do... python always felt terribly limiting in what it allows me to do, and, well, kludgy in that many of the concepts did not extend ...
[11:36] <mornfall> ... to their usual generality)
[11:36] <heinkel_111> anybody here knows how to install lame? i cannot find any lame-related package?
[11:36] <kosh> python is more closely related to lisp then it is to c++ and java
[11:37] <mornfall> it is probably me (well not only me, i know many people having this same problem with python)
[11:37] <kosh> people that come from c++ and those style of languages often have a harder time
[11:37] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3228.0 <---guide in this thread doens't work because packages are not where they are said to be
[11:37] <mornfall> c++ and java are not too related for that matter
[11:37] <kosh> that is the problem of people that say they know 10+ programming languages but they really just know 1 and write it in all of them
[11:37] <mornfall> c++ is a very different language from what many people use it as
[11:38] <kosh> however the way that many people use c++ is how java is designed in part
[11:38] <mornfall> not really, i definitely don't write ruby in c++ nor the other way around
[11:38] <kosh> they have similar semantics
[11:38] <mornfall> my ruby is usually full of blocks and closures
[11:38] <mornfall> and c++ full of templates :)
[11:38] <mornfall> java does generics, which are very far from templates
[11:38] <mornfall> c++ can do mixins a lot better than java
[11:39] <mornfall> but java can do it at runtime, unlike c++
[11:39] <mornfall> (but you can only mix in an interface, not a full object, which is shame)
[11:39] <mornfall> same thing, extending java objects through proxies works fine, but when you try to use it on a full object it fails
[11:40] <mornfall> in a dynamic language (as java is), one would probably expect it to work
[11:40] <sniff> anyone anble to tell me the command to use apt-get to download, compile and install from source please?
[11:40] <mornfall> (what is such a problem in extracting an interface from an existing object?)
[11:40] <kosh> sniff: why do you want to do that?
[11:41] <sniff> why not ;)?
[11:41] <sniff> i would like to try at least
[11:41] <mornfall> kosh: hmm, AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'test'
[11:41] <mornfall> kosh: i probably did it wrong? >>> foo.test = mymethod
[11:41] <sniff> i read the man for apt-get, but i'm still unsure which commands i need to use
[11:42] <kosh> mornfall: you can inherit from the built in types and add things to what you have inherited from but you can not alter the built in types
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: bultin types are not objects?
[11:43] <kosh> mornfall: however it isnot necessary to alter the built in types since your object could be used anywhere the bult in type could be used
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: instances of them that is
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: but i need to add methods to something i get from someone else
[11:43] <kosh> mornfall: they are objects but they don't allow alteration for predictability
[11:44] <mornfall> kosh: when i get something i don't know what it is (just an object), can i add my methods to it?
[11:44] <kosh> mornfall: so take what you got from someone else and turn it into another object like make a mylist and hand it the list object
[11:44] <mornfall> kosh: what happens if that someone returns a tuple instead?
[11:44] <locomorto> ok whoever said the flash drive would save money over time (lower power consumption)
[11:44] <kosh> mornfall: the reason that all the built in stuff can not be altered is so you don't have a situation where a string object does not behave like a string object, if something is going to be different it has to be different
[11:45] <kosh> locomorto: I did
[11:45] <locomorto> total cost of a typical hardrive running 24/7 for 6 years is ((30 x 24 x 365 x 6) / 1 000) * .14 = $AU 220.75200
[11:45] <mornfall> kosh: right, but that is a poor substitute for type safety that is also very limiting :)
[11:45] <kosh> mornfall: you can wrap it in anything, you could make a trivial wrapper class
[11:45] <locomorto> It took so long because I had to check how much it costs per kilowatt hour
[11:45] <kosh> mornfall: the whole thing is still type safe,  the reason for not altering built ins has nothing to do with type safety
[11:46] <locomorto> Note, that is pricing in australia, not america so it may be less/more then the exchange rate
[11:46] <kosh> mornfall: it is the same reason python does not have a macro system yet, it won't be added until a way can be figured out for it not to change behavior of code without it looking different
[11:47] <kosh> locomorto: the more heat you product the more cooling you need also, so a hard drive burns energy in the power it takes it but also in the power it takes to cool it, you also have a problem of a far higher failure rate which has to be averaged into the cost for running it
[11:47] <mornfall> kosh: but why is that only limited to bulitin types? if a library has its type it is ok to twist and change it to your liking but not a bultin? what's so special about builtins
[11:47] <kosh> locomorto: and you also have the issue of it taking more hard drives to get the same performance out of the database
[11:47] <kosh> mornfall: it is so the language is predictable, you can't change the language structures either
[11:48] <kosh> mornfall: it is all for maintenance purposes, readability etc
[11:48] <mornfall> kosh: right, bondage and discipline -- i was looking for the term wrt python since morning :)
[11:48] <mornfall> kosh: exactly what i am not looking for in a language
[11:49] <kosh> if you do a = "something" then it is ALWAYS a simple string type and it will behave in a certain way period
[11:49] <mornfall> kosh:
[11:49] <kosh> you can not redefine that all of those things should compare differently, redefine how upper works etc
[11:50] <kosh> my experience working on c++ projects where people did change the basic structures of the language have been disasterous
[11:50] <kosh> debugging became largely futile
[11:50] <locomorto> Still, I don;t think your going to get more performance out a flash drive in a database server.
[11:50] <kosh> and even in lisp they recommend to never do that
[11:50] <mornfall> kosh: so if i want to get an ordered container of strings in army ordering (length first, then lexicographic), i will have to go through some hoops i guess? does the sorted sequence in python allow passing own compare function? :)
[11:50] <kosh> locomorto: you should get at least a 3x boost out of it if not a little more since all seeks are constant time
[11:51] <kosh> mornfall: you can pass any kind of comparison function you want
[11:52] <kosh> locomorto: databases are largely random access io which is a worse case for a regular hard drive
[11:52] <ganymed_> does anybody know why kvpnc asks for a user password on the debug console, though the password is entered in the conf dialogue?
[11:52] <mornfall> kosh: hmm, what's the python sorted container called i can't seem to find it :|
[11:52] <kosh> list
[11:53] <mornfall> sorted as in sorted
[11:53] <mornfall> ascending/descending, iterable in sorted order after insertion
[11:53] <mornfall> something like std::set -- you need sorted sets of items all the time
[11:54] <kosh> I don't know of a built in for that however you can use a list for that, you can sort the list, it will retain its order and you can do sorted insertions
[11:54] <mornfall> *blink*
[11:54] <mornfall> so i have to write own sorted set? well at least the builtin one does not suffer from the sort-order specification problem
[11:55] <kosh> to be honest I can't think of a single time in the last 10 years when a datatype like what you describe would be useful to me
[11:55] <simian> i think that i have forwarded all trafic from port 80 to 192.168.2.102   but when i enter my ip address i just get some info about my router
[11:55] <mornfall> kosh: you must be coding very different things than me
[11:55] <kosh> mornfall: in the last few years all items I want sorted I use a generator with so I only have on in existance at a time
[11:55] <kosh> mornfall: or coding in a very different way
[11:55] <mornfall> kosh: binary search trees are very fundamental
[11:55] <mornfall> in algorithm design
[11:56] <mornfall> it gives you lots of nice asymptotic guarantees
[11:56] <kosh> mornfall: for instance I will pull a list of records from a db but it will be sorted when I get them and I will iterate over them as I go
[11:56] <mornfall> well, i guess people nowadays use sql to do intersections on data sets
[11:56] <sniff> what program can i use to convert a dvd to... say... divx/xvid?
[11:56] <kosh> most of the time I don't sort anything
[11:57] <kosh> mornfall: a round trip to the database is so expensive it is far faster for you to tell the database to do as much of the work as possible and just hand you the set to work with
[11:57] <mornfall> it's been long time since i wrote a program that did not use sorted container :)
[11:57] <mornfall> kosh: i don't work with databases -- sql is not flexible enough most of the time and as you say, roundtrips are too expensive
[11:58] <kosh> mornfall: I recently replaced a system that had about 1000 lines of sql in one query and did over a hundred round trips to the database, the new query is about 20-30 lines and makes no round trips just a single call
[11:58] <kosh> morrow: mostly I work with object databases but I do some relational db work, when you have a client with a lot of data though you need some kind of database
[11:59] <kosh> mornfall: since you can't do financial stuff directly to a filesystem since they are not acid compliant
[11:59] <mornfall> i am a computer science man, no databases
[11:59] <mornfall> databases are the boring courses, nothing much else :)
[12:00] <mornfall> i am not meant to be practical
[12:00] <kosh> I build stuff for clients that have to adhere to all kinds of regulations
[12:00] <kosh> if we lose credit card information, don't handle it properly etc we are in trouble
[12:00] <mornfall> fortunately i don't have that kind of clients
[12:01] <kosh> we have some clients whose websites consist of about 30K pages with about 3K people that edit it
[12:01] <kosh> each of them with different permissions on what they can edit etc
[12:02] <mornfall> you'll probably sooner catch me doing distributed verification than anything related to web
[12:03] <mornfall> and i don't take your python from you, many bondage and discipline languages are very successful (java and python among others) -- management loves languages that enforce policies
[12:03] <kosh> the most freeform language would be lisp
[12:04] <kosh> however everyone defines bondage and discipline differently
[12:04] <mornfall> lisp and perl :)
[12:04] <mornfall> and probably ruby, it is also very freeform
[12:04] <kosh> I certainly think that c++,c and java define stuff far more strictly then python does
[12:04] <mornfall> and c++ -- which is why i don't know why it is so widely used in business apps
[12:04] <kosh> lisp is more freeform then ruby and perl are
[12:04] <mornfall> yes and no
[12:05] <mornfall> lisp has no syntax
[12:05] <kosh> actually there are ways in python that you could redefine some of the basic things, however if you do it you will probalby end up being shot
[12:05] <mornfall> perl and ruby have lots of syntax
[12:05] <kosh> it is possible although not advised and not very well documented but you can modify the parse tree in python
[12:06] <mornfall> it may also break with new version, may it not?
[12:06] <kosh> no it is standardized
[12:06] <fek> moin
[12:06] <kosh> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/277940   that is an example of it
[12:07] <mornfall> anyway, as for language strictness -- i don't mostly speak of what can be done
[12:07] <mornfall> it's all turing complete -- everything can be done
[12:07] <mornfall> it's on what is fluently and naturally expressed in the language
[12:08] <mornfall> i guess you can't even overload operators in python
[12:08] <kosh> you can
[12:08] <mornfall> like you can't in java
[12:09] <mornfall> kosh: that is then very much against the immutability of core language philosophy :)
[12:09] <kosh> and unlike java you have multiple inheritance, can define any inheritance resolution function you want (most people leave it at the default) and you can change the inheritance at runtime
[12:10] <kosh> mornfall: it is not against that at all, multiple inheritance won't change the meaning of the built in structures in any way
[12:10] <mornfall> kosh: operator overloading
[12:10] <mornfall> kosh: when + starts doing modular addition with some arbitrary modulus, that's definitely change in language
[12:10] <Tsagadai> ive still got problems with kde windows,fonts and icons being too big
[12:11] <glick> mornfall, pythn does have operator overloading
[12:11] <mornfall> __mul__ ew
[12:12] <mornfall> talk about ugliness...
[12:12] <kosh> mornfall: 5 + 5 can't be overridden  5 + yourcustomobject can be
[12:12] <mornfall> was it added somewhere in the course of language development? (it looks like it)
[12:12] <kosh> mornfall: nope that was there from the beginning
[12:12] <glick> mornfall, whats so ugly about it?
[12:13] <mornfall> the __decoration__
[12:13] <glick> deal
[12:13] <glick> or use c++
[12:14] <graeme> what is the latest version of KDE for 64bit
[12:16] <kosh> mornfall: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/98  that example shows adding a method to a class, instance, and instance inherited from a base type at runtime
[12:17] <mornfall> let's put a stop to this
[12:17] <mornfall> it's a waste of everyone's time
[12:17] <kosh> well I am going to bed anyways
[12:19] <kosh> there are things about python that are bad, there are things about every language that are bad, however I don't like inaccurate information
[12:20] <kosh> most of the things people believe are not true and it causes many problems
[12:32] <nico8481> re
[12:33] <Henk> Is there any way to speed up loading of firefox? keeping it persistant or something like that ?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Henk: IIRC, there's a howto on ubuntuforums.com for this
[12:35] <holy_fool> gotta question. i downloaded unrar(rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz) unpacked it to an dir, but what to do next with the files....
[12:36] <Hobbsee> !+compile
[12:36] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[12:36] <holy_fool> thx
[12:45] <Henk> Hobbsee, i could find swiftfox (wich indeed is somewhat faster) and fasterfox (wich does not seem to speed up load times, just has some network option like preloading wich i dont need) was that what you meant or did i overlook something
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yes.  a custom user.js file is also useful
[12:46] <Hobbsee> i'll pastebin mine for you - it's not commented, but it works really nicely
[12:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: that sort of reminds me about my dotfile hacks... they aren't commented either but they work really nicely (for me)
[12:48] <mornfall> sometimes
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Henk: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/621487
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i got the stuff off the net, and didnt comment off it as i copy pasted
[12:48] <Henk> is there btw a way to stop the "application loading" with bouncing logo that keeps running until it times out after starting a second firefox ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Henk: when you find it, please tell me
[12:53] <Henk> Hobbsee, i will
[12:54] <Sechs> Hi
[12:54] <Sechs> Someone knows if i can convert from fat32 to ntfs, without losing the data on the partition ?
[12:55] <Sechs> I suppose it's ok with Partition magic, but i'm affraid to lost my data if i convert
[12:55] <VRWarper> windows xp has a conversion tool as well
[12:55] <_mindspin> I would do it with the windows tool
[12:55] <VRWarper> why would you convert it to ntfs? >_>
[12:55] <RogueJediAxl> Me too
[12:56] <Sechs> Wel i have part magic so the tool itself isnt the problem..just wanted to know if i'll lose my data if i convert the HD ?
[12:56] <Sechs> VRWarper>> because Linux can't write on NTFS right ?
[12:56] <_mindspin> when you do it with partition magic , it could be not working properly
[12:56] <Sechs> Only on FAT32 ?
[12:57] <Sechs> Or i misunderstood...
[12:57] <ganymed_> does anybody know why kvpnc asks for a user password on the debug console, though the password is entered in the conf dialogue?
[12:57] <Sechs> FAT32 is ok for Linux to write and all ?
[12:57] <VRWarper> right
[12:57] <VRWarper> i really have to get a new keyboard
[12:57] <VRWarper> anyway
[12:57] <Sechs> Partition magic worked great till now...but yeah i can  try the XP tool if you say it's better
[12:58] <_mindspin> I ve messed a whole HD with partition magic once
[12:59] <crrj> Whenever you're messing with partitions it is a good idea to make a backup of your data before starting.
[12:59] <Sechs> So just 2 questions before i make something stupid and lost all my data : NTFS isnt' Linux's friends, but it will work great with FAT32 right ? And...i'm sure no to lost my data if i convert the disk taht contains them ?
[01:00] <crrj> Or, if you're using XP there are tools to allow you to mount ext2/3 file systems in XP as though they were native. I use it on my dual boot box and it works quite well
[01:00] <VRWarper> why does it take so long to format ntfs >< why oh why ><
[01:00] <VRWarper> i had to install xp on a machine with a 300gb harddrive
[01:01] <VRWarper> the formatting took at least an hour -_-
[01:01] <Sechs> that's what i have
[01:01] <Sechs> (with partitions)
[01:01] <Sechs> But one hour seems a little too long
[01:01] <Sechs> It's more like 45 mn anyway..
[01:01] <VRWarper> for 300GB?
[01:01] <Sechs> It's still ong :p
[01:01] <VRWarper> ><
[01:01] <VRWarper> its long very long
[01:02] <VRWarper> so long that i installed linux,, installed all the programs that i needed
[01:02] <VRWarper> on another machine
[01:02] <VRWarper> then left
[01:02] <VRWarper> :D i decided that ill continue on monday
[01:02] <Sechs> U can make partitions too with 300 giga like me : one for XP, on for Linux and one for datas
[01:03] <_mindspin> or wipe out XP at all which seems for me the best solution ;-)
[01:03] <Sechs> Well i think XP will say good bye soon anyway
[01:03] <Sechs> :D
[01:04] <crrj> If I were installing XP on a drive that size I'd have about a 50 gig partition for the OS then the rest for data. That way if the OS gets hosed you don't have to worry about the data in a reformat.
[01:04] <VRWarper> :< but i still want to play games
[01:04] <crrj> also faster for the initial install
[01:04] <VRWarper> then again, truth be told i dont play games very often
[01:05] <Henk> Hobbsee, Rightclick firefox icon in kde [menu|bar] . -> configure -> application -> advanced option -> deselect 'launch feedback'
[01:06] <Sechs> There is not a lot of games on Linux, right ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Sechs: there are a fair few, but a lot arent windows games...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> as in, often the windows games dont have a linux port
[01:07] <Sechs> I didnt search for the answer since i dont play often, but i'd like too and it's the only bad point for Linux
[01:07] <Sechs> It's a shame still...the editors should think Linux too :/
[01:08] <VRWarper> there are also some windows games that cant run in linux via wine/winex
[01:08] <Sechs> But i assume it's a lot of work too
[01:08] <Blippe> there is cedega and wine for the most popular...
[01:08] <crrj> Would you really want a game that's as addictive as Civ IV available in Linux?
[01:08] <Sechs> Just for example, what's the best doom like on Linux ?
[01:08] <VRWarper> rofl WoW
[01:08] <Blippe> crrj, we got freeciv, it is worse...
[01:09] <crrj> Being stuck on dial-up online games are not really an option
[01:09] <mornfall> freeciv is a real timekiller yes
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Henk: cant see it..will have more of a look later
[01:09] <RogueJediAxl> Also, Alpha Centauri and Civilization: Call to Power run natively on Linux
[01:09] <crrj> Blippe, so far I've managed to resist the urge to install that package
[01:09] <Sechs> Yeah but no FPS ?
[01:09] <Blippe> keep on being strong!
[01:10] <Sechs> (yes i know, i'm basic)
[01:10] <VRWarper> cs is said to work fine in linux :)
[01:10] <JakubS> quake3, ut2004, enemy territory
[01:10] <Blippe> Sechs, there are a few. some people are for example playing doo4
[01:10] <VRWarper> not that i paly cs :/
[01:10] <mornfall> Blippe: try nexuiz
[01:10] <RogueJediAxl> Isn't nexuiz a bit resource-hungry?
[01:10] <mornfall> Blippe: especially if your card can do shader effects :)
[01:10] <JakubS> mornfall: does it have any online servers
[01:10] <JakubS> ?
[01:10] <mornfall> JakubS: no idea
[01:11] <JakubS> i915 kinda works, but i had to disable effects :-(
[01:11] <mornfall> i have i915 too :)
[01:11] <mornfall> but it doesn't do shader anything
[01:11] <mornfall> well, not in >5 fps
[01:11] <Sechs> Nexuiz looks not too bad judging from some pics
[01:11] <mornfall> which is a tad bit little for FPS :)
[01:11] <JakubS> what is quite weird because i915 is supposed to have hw shading
[01:12] <mornfall> JakubS: is it?
[01:12] <mornfall> i thought i915 was about as low-end as it gets
[01:12] <Sechs> Oh, totally other question, but i'm trying to install java runtime since yesterday, and soooo..nothing.
[01:12] <VRWarper> well..
[01:12] <Sechs> I already read helps and all but i can't understand
[01:12] <VRWarper> i wonder if its possible to get i810 to run it
[01:12] <JakubS> http://www.intel.com/design/graphics/gma900/
[01:12] <Sechs> ANd i realy need it for some appz
[01:13] <JakubS> 'pixel shader 2.0'
[01:13] <Henk> did anyone see novel's xgl demo with the 3d game running smoothly on the side of the 3d desktop cube.... damn that looked cool
[01:13] <Sechs> So if someone know how to...
[01:13] <Sechs> He'll be my god for the day :p
[01:14] <VRWarper> java runtime?
[01:14] <glick> Henk, yeah your the only who who just saw it
[01:14] <andrzej> how i can download my contact list in kopete witch gadu gadu?
[01:14] <Sechs> Yes VRWarper
[01:14] <Blippe> Sechs, let me count the ways possible to install suns java!
[01:14] <Sechs> do so
[01:14] <VRWarper> meh are you installing by downloading from sun?
[01:14] <JakubS> andrzej: it is downloaded from server automatically when you connect with kopete
[01:15] <andrzej> but not download
[01:15] <Sechs> I dl it from sun yes...i have an rpm bin and a bin
[01:15] <Sechs> I dont know wich one and how to use it
[01:15] <Blippe> i don't even know where to start, but i guess ubotu knows
[01:15] <Blippe> !javadebs
[01:15] <andrzej> JakubS jeste z polski?
[01:15] <Sechs> I heard i should convert or somthng ?
[01:15] <JakubS> hm, i have still nexuiz installed, maybe i can find a server :-)
[01:15] <JakubS> andrzej: priv
[01:15] <Sechs> !javadebs
[01:16] <Blippe> Sechs, alien converts, but it aint a good idea!
[01:16] <Sechs> k...then another way maybe ?
[01:16] <Blippe> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:16] <mornfall> JakubS: well, my i915 desktop is headless now
[01:16] <Sechs> i386 yes...but if have amd64 ?
[01:16] <VRWarper> unofficial debs are nice :] 
[01:16] <VRWarper> :|
[01:17] <JakubS> mornfall: i thought this chipset is only used in laptops
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: and i guess it's not the right game for a laptop
[01:17] <VRWarper> why amd64 why oh why ><
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: hmm
[01:17] <Sechs> lol
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: let me check :)
[01:17] <VRWarper> theres no particular advantage _yet_
[01:17] <VRWarper> just more pain
[01:17] <JakubS> if you connect normal mouse...
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: ah, i910
[01:17] <Sechs> oh or i'm maybe mistaken on this..wait...everest works on lniux ?
[01:17] <VRWarper> you mean like a living one?
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: almost :)
[01:17] <Sechs> or an app to see his process type
[01:17] <andrzej> JakubS nie moge do ciebie nic wyslac
[01:18] <andrzej> nie jestem zarejestrowany
[01:18] <mornfall> JakubS: fwiw, it should be same apart from memory controller? (ddr vs ddr2)
[01:18] <Sechs> I'm not sure now...i only know it's a sempron 3000
[01:18] <JakubS> mornfall: yes, it is almost the same
[01:18] <Sechs> How do i know if it's amd64 or i386 ?...mine should be amd64 right ?
[01:18] <JakubS> and graphic chip is uma900 in both cases
[01:19] <JakubS> i found nexuiz server, with nice ping too :-)
[01:21] <Sechs> No one can tells me for AMD64 pls ?
[01:21] <noteventime> ?
[01:22] <n3storm> Sechs: What is your question?
[01:23] <Blippe> Sechs, haeve you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64?highlight=%28java%29
[01:24] <JakubS> eh, nice ping wasn't so nice after all -> slideshow :-(
[01:26] <Sechs> Yes but Blippe, just to be sure, AMD 64 is for all Athlon and sempron processors ?
[01:26] <Wingede> anyone experienced issues with IBM netvista's - more so along the lines of crashing after being idle? .. doesn't seem to be kubuntu specific either
[01:26] <Sechs> I386 only for Intel ?
[01:26] <Wingede> Sechs: no i386 for AMD also
[01:27] <Wingede> but if you have a 64bit you probably want to use a x64 installation
[01:28] <Blippe> btw does the i in i386 stand for intel or ibm, i never remebers?
[01:28] <Sechs> ah damn...then how do i know what i have ?
[01:28] <Sechs> some app to identify i386 or amd64 ?
[01:28] <Blippe> what processor do you have?
[01:28] <DanielC> How do I configure my QT fonts? I can't read the QT toolbars.
[01:28] <Wingede> identify your processor or install type?
[01:29] <VRWarper> sechs
[01:29] <VRWarper> just reinstall
[01:29] <VRWarper> use i386
[01:29] <VRWarper> >< its the least painful method
[01:29] <Blippe> Sechs, in konsole "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[01:30] <VRWarper> otherwise youll have to use chroot (which essentially installs a 386 build anyway) for 386 apps that are not available in amd64
[01:30] <VRWarper> and for most people there is not much of a gain to use the 64bit vs 32bit (yet)
[01:30] <Blippe> DanielC, in the system settings!
[01:30] <DanielC> Blippe: I'm running Gnome.
[01:31] <DanielC> Blippe: My system settings only affects Gtk apps.
[01:31] <Blippe> DanielC, ok, start kcontrol then!
[01:31] <DanielC> thanks!
[01:33] <Blippe> DanielC, you might need another package for it to take effect, i'm not sure...
[01:33] <DanielC> Blippe: Nope. It worked fine. Thanks :)
[01:33] <Blippe> great, thanks for the info!
[01:38] <kokurya-kai> hi
[01:40] <kokurya-kai> what could be the problem if the system is running without any problems (2 sata drives), but wenn i connect two ide drives i get an grub 22 error or grub doesn't even start...
[01:42] <Sechs> back, sorry i was helping someone on...XP :( lol
[01:43] <Sechs> Yes identify my processor, it's a sempron 3000 and i dont know if its amd64 or i386
[01:43] <Sechs> i'll try your command lin
[01:44] <epinephrine> why would apt-get install wpasupplicant not install any config files or init scripts?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> epinephrine: it does, you have to enable and configure them
[01:45] <epinephrine> ../etc/init.d/wpasupplicant doesn't exist, nor does /etc/default/wpasupplicant, and I could have sworn they were example files to be edited
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:46] <angel__> hola
[01:46] <Hobbsee> nor /etc/wpasupplicant.conf?
[01:46] <epinephrine> nope.
[01:47] <angel__> algun kubuntero espaol en la sala?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> !es
[01:47] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:47] <Blippe> so Sechs what does it say?
[01:47] <epinephrine> I've spent more than 3 hours trying to get such a simple thing to work :<
[01:47] <epinephrine> given up on rt2x00 altogether, not a tiny bit of automaticness
[01:48] <Sechs> I copy paste ?
[01:48] <Sechs> on PM ?
[01:48] <Sechs> cause i cant find the usefull line
[01:48] <epinephrine> (it doesn't support wpasupplicant)
[01:50] <Blippe> Sechs, just paste the model name line here!
[01:51] <Sechs> model name      : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+
[01:53] <Blippe> Athlon sempron 3000+ is based on Athlon xp (that is 32 bits) and the 3100+ is based on Athlon 64 (that is 64 bits)
[01:53] <Blippe> you should have the i386-packages
[01:54] <Blippe> Sechs, it does have a 2000 MHz clockrate, rigth?
[01:54] <Sechs> Honnestly...i dont know lol
[01:54] <Sechs> I little more i think
[01:54] <Blippe> the line cpu MHZ what does it way?
[01:55] <Sechs> 1799
[01:55] <Sechs> .84 :)
[01:56] <Blippe> Sechs, you know which socket it has?
[01:57] <Sechs> It says nothing about this
[01:57] <Sechs> but i suppose it's an I386 finally ?
[01:58] <Blippe> well, either way, i386 works on both 64 and 32 bits processors!
[01:59] <Sechs> oh cool...so this is ok. now about the repositories (since i should add one for java)... i think i didnt quite understood how to add them
[01:59] <Sechs> For example : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages, i add only this line ?
[01:59] <Sechs> (ine Adept)
[01:59] <Sechs> *in
[02:00] <Blippe> Sechs, do you use the 64 bits kernel?
[02:00] <Sechs> I..don't think so
[02:00] <Sechs> Since i dont even know what it is..
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Sechs: no, you go to that link, and do what it tells you to do
[02:01] <Blippe> you see Amd aint all that nice, they sell two processors with the same name, one 64bits (usually running at 1800mhz, and a 32bits (at 2000mhz) so you got the 64 bits one. i know you could use the i386 kernel and software all the way through but i don't know if youre able to mix (i would guess not)
[02:02] <Sechs> hm ok, i add the lines who starts with deb and deb src
[02:02] <Blippe> Sechs, do as Hobbsee  tells you to!
[02:02] <Blippe> :D
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] (Russel/#kubuntu) is there no album -> export to html plugin in digikam?
[03:53] (Russel/#kubuntu) or should i install another plugin?
[03:56] <_warren> hello
[03:57] <Mi|o> hi
[03:57] <_warren> hi just wanted to see if this works.. I just installed Kubuntu
[03:57] <Mi|o> nice
[03:57] <_warren> :)
[03:58] <_warren> is this like a help channel ?
[03:58] <Mi|o> i don't know but if someone there knows, i think they will help
[03:59] <_warren> ok so you are here to chat?
[03:59] <_warren> thee is alot of ppl on the list  ---->
[04:00] <Mi|o> well i said that I don't know if this is a help channel
[04:00] <Mi|o> :P
[04:01] <metalhedd> it is a help channel, what else would it be?
[04:02] <_warren> it could be many things I guess
[04:02] <Mi|o> :P
[04:02] <Mi|o> i guess is better if you just ask :P
[04:03] <_warren> ya well I didnt want to be asking questions in the wrong place
[04:03] <bert> It's really a porno site in disguise
[04:04] <glick> anyone going to the boston linux expo?
[04:05] <bert> where's boston?
[04:06] <_warren> in united states
[04:07] <bert> near LA?
[04:07] <_warren> no closer to newyork
[04:09] <bert> new york was bombed
[04:09] <_warren> again?
[04:10] <inuka> hey, is there a kde version on BUM (boot up manager)? i just realised it installs a bunch of gnome libraries..
[04:10] <tijn> !xivd
[04:10] <ubotu> tijn: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:10] <tijn> 1xvid
[04:10] <tijn> !xvid
[04:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tijn
[04:10] <tijn> darn
[04:10] <tijn> !w32codecs
[04:10] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[04:18] <Sechs> Ok i need great help before i'm going crazy...one half day spent to find how to install java and still nothing  >_<...i tried eveything so if someone have it already and have a method...
[04:18] <Sechs> I installed it from repositories i found on apt-get.org but it says it's broken
[04:18] <laptop> hi,  can any1 help me with bypassing packet filters in kubuntu?
[04:18] <Sechs> Is there another site like this maybe ? Listing repositories
[04:21] <Mi|o> i have the same problem that Sechs has since like 3 months now
[04:21] <reon> hi
[04:21] <skribe> lo all
[04:22] <glick> c'mon
[04:22] <glick> why is it so hard to install java
[04:22] <reon> anyone here running xgl+compiz on Dapper i386+nvidia ?
[04:22] <glick> the wiki clearly explains how to install it
[04:22] <Mi|o> it doesn't want to get installed :P
[04:22] <Mi|o> let me check, i haven't done that
[04:22] <Mi|o> and it installs the plugin for firefox?
[04:23] <glick> yeah it tells you how to do it step by step
[04:23] <Mi|o> ok, lets see
[04:23] <Sechs> Well i tried many methods but nothing...the kubuntu wiki ?
[04:23] <Mi|o> i have my little brother without playing chess in yahoo because of this :P
[04:24] <glick> look up restricted formats in the ubuntu wiki
[04:25] <skribe> can anyone help with a weird kubuntu (live) problem on a flatscreen please?
[04:27] <Sechs> damn...i add 2 repositories in adept, it crashed and know it wont start :/
[04:27] <Sechs> Someone know how to fix this ?
[04:27] <_warren> you mean it wont re-boot?
[04:28] <Sechs> no, just i cant start adpet anymore
[04:28] <Sechs> *adept
[04:28] <Sechs> os synaptic
[04:28] <mornfall> apt-get update?
[04:28] <Sechs> *or
[04:28] <_warren> anytime i screw somthing up a re-boot usually fixes it
[04:28] <Sechs> no the graphical one
[04:28] <mornfall> sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <mornfall> that is
[04:28] <mornfall> Sechs: run that
[04:28] <mornfall> it may solve
[04:28] <Sechs> k
[04:28] <mornfall> if no, it will hint you what's wrong
[04:29] <Sechs> it says line 1 is bad in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:29] <Sechs> i should suppress it from here maybe
[04:29] <mornfall> that's it then
[04:30] <Sechs> whats the line already, to modify /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:30] <mornfall> i guess adept should syntax-check sources.list
[04:30] <mornfall> Sechs: sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:31] <laptop> can any1 guide me to a guide that can help me bypass packet filtering, It makes my gaming slow
[04:32] <Sechs> K it worked :)...thx mornfall
[04:33] <skribe> is there any known problem with the live DVD not displaying properly? can't find anything on the web at all...
[04:34] <Sechs> how do i change the path in the terminal ?
[04:37] <_martin> Hi. Can anyone recommend a cheap (probably less than 60 / $100) scanner that will work OOTB with Kubuntu Breezy? Brand new PC, so USB probably ideal. Epson? HP? What works for you?
[04:38] <n3storm> martin: epson is good choice
[04:38] <Sechs> Oh, i can't take it anymore :/...i think i'll go back to XP
[04:38] <zerovertex> Sechs export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/whatever   that will add whatever to the existing path
[04:39] <Sechs> like a half day to install something...
[04:39] <Sechs> It's annoying
[04:39] <_martin> n3storm: any particular model?
[04:39] <Sechs> (thx zero)
[04:39] <zerovertex> np
[04:39] <_warren> ya I dont think kubutu is ready to replace xp yet :(
[04:39] <Sechs> But damn i tried all the methods to install java and all fails...
[04:39] <n3storm> mm 64something are very good, but they need tweaking
[04:40] <n3storm> low numbers work directly
[04:40] <zerovertex> Automatix?
[04:40] <n3storm> 32sombething
[04:40] <Sechs> I think it warren, till i cant install a simple thing
[04:40] <n3storm> also, _martin , the multifuncitonal devices works ok without tweaking
[04:40] <zerovertex> Does Automatix do Java?
[04:40] <Sechs> XP >> DL, click, installed. Kubuntu >> rying 20 methods and still nothing
[04:40] <Chousuke> don't use automatix
[04:41] <n3storm> Chousuke: late for me, any way to go back?
[04:41] <_martin> n3storm: the m/f CX 6xxx devices?
[04:41] <Sechs> So dont tell me XP isnt more simple...
[04:41] <Chousuke> Sechs: Well, if Java was free, you could just aptitude install java. :)
[04:41] <n3storm> _martin: thats right
[04:41] <_warren> i just started using kubutu and it is alot of work to try and duplicat what comes natural to win xp
[04:42] <zerovertex> Sechs try one more think Automatix http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[04:42] <n3storm> _martin: have a look at this url
[04:42] <Chousuke> Sechs: but it's not, and sun doesn't even allow you to distribute it, so...
[04:42] <zerovertex> err..thing
[04:42] <Chousuke> !automatix
[04:42] <ubotu> automatix is, like, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[04:42] <Chousuke> !easyubuntu
[04:42] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[04:42] <n3storm> http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/index.html
[04:42] <zerovertex> well, Automatix worked like a champ for me.
[04:42] <Chousuke> but it's unsafe.
[04:43] <Sechs> how does easy ubuntu works ?
[04:43] <zerovertex> I didn't know that
[04:43] <_martin> n3storm: ok, great. If I can't stretch to the 100 ($180) or so for a m/f device, any specific version number of a scanner-only device you know of that works OOTB?
[04:43] <Chousuke> _warren: Don't try to use kubuntu like you would use windows :)
[04:43] <n3storm> cx32xx worked for me
[04:44] <_martin> n3storm: checking url -- thanks a lot
[04:44] <Chousuke> Personally I find Linux and Ubuntu to be much more usable than windows. :P
[04:44] <Sechs> O rly ? Then why can't i install something after hours of Googling ?
[04:44] <_warren> I realize that ..but simple things like scanners and cd should be a problem for any os
[04:44] <Sechs> No seriously, some things are still a little hard
[04:44] <glick> kubuntu is a Unix OS
[04:44] <glick> what do you expect dude?
[04:45] <Chousuke> Ubuntu has always worked like a charm for me.
[04:45] <zerovertex> Sechs, is there a Linux User group in your area
[04:45] <noteventime> Me too
[04:45] <Chousuke> then again, I haven't used windows in two years.
[04:45] <Sechs> Nope zero
[04:45] <Mi|o> :/ i'm not having look with java :P
[04:45] <Chousuke> Sechs: Try easyubuntu.
[04:45] <Sechs> k...
[04:45] <glick> _warren: i mean what do you want?
[04:45] <Mi|o> is better automatix
[04:46] <Mi|o> i guess :P
[04:46] <zerovertex> Sechs, I suggest finding the closest LUG and join the mailing list so you can meet others that are using Linux and learn from them.
[04:46] <_warren> does easy ubuntu have to be installed or is it lurking within the os somewhere?
[04:46] <zerovertex> I'll have to give easyubuntu a try also
[04:46] <_warren> downloaded i mean
[04:46] <Chousuke> I think easyubuntu was created because some ubuntu devs decided that automatix is unsafe.
[04:46] <Chousuke> _warren: it's not installed by default. read the wiki page.
[04:46] <sniff> !easyubuntu
[04:46] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[04:46] <glick> its just called following instructions
[04:47] <glick> following simple written instructions
[04:47] <_warren> ok i will give it a go:)
[04:47] <skribe> arghle... has anyone used the 5.10 DVD to boot a kubuntu live?
[04:47] <Chousuke> someone needs to package easyubuntu and stick it into main :P
[04:48] <Chousuke> or not.
[04:48] <sniff> i used automatix many times, i don't like it. I wrote a script that sets up my fave software better than automatix
[04:48] <Chousuke> it can't be in main since it installs non-free stuff :/
[04:48] <_warren> save as or open with ARK
[04:48] <zerovertex> easyubuntu looks sweet. I'll have to try that on my next reinstall which is due any day now.
[04:48] <tristanmike> !automatix
[04:48] <ubotu> automatix is probably unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[04:48] <Mi|o> where is that software sniff ?
[04:48] <Chousuke> _warren: save as.
[04:48] <_warren> k ty
[04:49] <Chousuke> _warren: then you need to do those commands shown in the page in the terminal
[04:49] <sniff> Mi|o: which software?
[04:49] <_warren> ok i will try now:)
[04:49] <Chousuke> _warren: in fact, you didn't have to download the package with firefox at all :P
[04:49] <Chousuke> since the terminal instructions include wget.
[04:49] <Chousuke> which downloads the package.
[04:50] <_warren> lol
[04:50] <Kr4t05> Eh
[04:50] <Mi|o> the software that you wrote sniff
[04:50] <sniff> so just skip the wget part right
[04:50] <Kr4t05> I can't get Kmid to work properly.
[04:50] <sniff> ah
[04:50] <_warren> ok i will let the terminal download it
[04:50] <sniff> Mi|o: it's on my computer :)
[04:50] <Kr4t05> I try to play a file and I get no output.
[04:50] <Mi|o> come on, what about the linux spirit? :P
[04:50] <Chousuke> _warren: learning your way around the terminal pays off.
[04:51] <Chousuke> _warren: it's more complicated than the GUI, but a lot more powerful for many tasks :)
[04:51] <sniff> i didn't like automatix installing totem in kubuntu, along with all those other softwares, such as 2 BT clients
[04:51] <Sechs> Ok i dled Easykubuntu and extracted it, but what now ?
[04:51] <_martin> n3storm: thanks for your help. bfn.
[04:51] <_warren> ok so I just copy those lines in the terminal
[04:51] <Mi|o> i like the bt clients, not totem
[04:51] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to open a terminal and cd to the directory that you extracted the package into.
[04:51] <n3storm> _martin: not at all!
[04:51] <sniff> why do i need two clients? anyway i like ktorrent or utorrent (in x-office) better
[04:52] <Mi|o> Sechs: why don't you go to ubuntu forums, i installed it with the instructions given there
[04:52] <Mi|o> you know what i hate now that i moved to kubuntu!
[04:52] <Mi|o> that I have gnome and kde applications mixed :(
[04:52] <Kr4t05> Gee, this may seem redundant, but why won't Kmid play midi files? That is what it's supposed to do, right?
[04:52] <Chousuke> Sechs: crash course to unix terminal: cd changes current directory,  ls lists files, cp copies files and mv moves them.
[04:52] <sniff> Mi|o: i really hate that too
[04:52] <Mi|o> jajaja Kr4t05
[04:53] <Mi|o> actually i found some instructions sniff but they didn't work
[04:53] <sniff> instructions for what?
[04:53] <Sechs> ok i see...but i still don't get the thing  to install from files i dled ?
[04:53] <sniff> seperating the menus>?
[04:53] <Mi|o> they are supossed to separate the gnome and kde applications to their respective environments
[04:53] <Mi|o> but it is not working
[04:53] <sniff> yeah that would be good
[04:53] <Chousuke> Sechs: did you run the easyubuntu python script?
[04:54] <Chousuke> actually hmm
[04:54] <sniff> all i could do was remove both the gnome libs and then reinstall my fave gnome apps
[04:54] <_warren> ok now where will easyubunto show up
[04:54] <Mi|o> i'll have to do that, i guess
[04:54] <sniff> but be careful you don't remove all your kde stuff too
[04:54] <Sechs> I'd like to...but as i say chousuke, i downlded the tar of easykubuntu, but now i dont know what to do with it...i'll check the forums anyway
[04:54] <Chousuke> _warren: I don't think it'll install itself in any menu or anything
[04:55] <_warren> ok
[04:55] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to follow the instructions on this page: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html :P
[04:55] <sniff> Mi|o: I just wrote a script that does: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts gstreamer0.8-mad gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg mozilla-mplayer libdvdread3  libstdc++5 flashplayer-mozilla j2re1.4 && sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh && sudo apt-get install xine-ui mplayer-686
[04:55] <Chousuke> Sechs: just copy and paste the second box into your terminal
[04:56] <sniff> and then another to: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install build-essential gftp kgpg digikam kipi-plugins digikamimageplugins unrar-nonfree zip gnome-nettool kino kinoplus ktorrent kaffeine-xine audacity
[04:56] <sniff> i just execute these two and my system is back up and running
[04:57] <Mi|o> ok, let me copy all that :P
[04:58] <Sechs> ok i pasted the second box...its supposed to work now ?
[04:58] <Sechs> let's try...
[04:58] <Chousuke> Sechs: did it run all the commands?
[04:58] <sniff> and then i have some scripts to compile the acpi module for the kernel too
[04:59] <Chousuke> Sechs: if it worked, you should get a nice GUI with which to install java :P
[04:59] <sniff> btw firestarter rocks
[04:59] <Chousuke> Sechs: make sure you run the last command in terminal too
[04:59] <sniff> Mi|o: you must make sure you have the universe/multiverse repositories enabled though
[04:59] <Mi|o> i don't know if install that because it will block the connection and i don't know how to set it up
[05:00] <Mi|o> i will print the instructions (firestarter)
[05:00] <sniff> i once used automatix to install firestarter and it broke my internet
[05:00] <Mi|o> ok, let me check the repositories
[05:00] <sniff> but i installed it myself and it worked a treat
[05:00] <Mi|o> it doesn't block anything
[05:00] <Mi|o> like when you install a firewall in windows
[05:00] <sniff> after installing firestarter run "kdesu firestarter" from a terminal, and then run the firestarter wizard. So easy.
[05:00] <Mi|o> you know it blocks everything
[05:01] <Mi|o> a, ok
[05:01] <sniff> firestarter helped my setup DHCP, routing and port forwarding
[05:01] <sniff> excellent
[05:02] <_warren> ok so how do you start easyubuntu
[05:04] <sniff> to get the flash=plugin working in konqueror you must tell konqueror to scan for plugins from the options
[05:04] <sniff> Mi|o: the only other thing is to make sure dma is enabled
[05:04] <sniff> !dma
[05:05] <sniff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[05:05] <Mi|o> everything is cool
[05:09] <_warren> ok i understand I think
[05:09] <_warren> but my cd plays now with now sound
[05:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:15] <_warren> i think everyone went for lunch:P
[05:16] <ziza> i consider upgrading to Dapper Drake at the moment. are there any major bugs in Dapper Drake that are of a serious nature?
[05:16] <slow-motion> i eat pizza
[05:17] <ziza> any upgraders here? :)
[05:19] <inuka> does anyone know how to install java on kubuntu? i followed the wiki guidelines, but that's just the runtime environment.. i want to be able to compile too.. but when i search in aptitude, there isn't another java there :/
[05:20] <ziza> haven't done something with java in a long time... maybe you should look for a java sdk?
[05:21] <inuka> yeah i was looking in apttude for the sdk, but it isn't there.. ideally i'd like 1.5.. thanks, i'll take another look on the forums :)
[05:21] <ziza> k :)
[05:21] <juke> i try to start game then my kubuntu says could not load "libGL.so.. where i can get that file?? :P
[05:22] <noteventime> Install libgl1-mesa
[05:24] <azertyuuu> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[05:24] <azertyuuu> hey all, i want to install my WLAN drivers with ndiswrapper, but if i enter [ndiswrapper -i (drivername).inf]  , i get this error :
[05:24] <azertyuuu> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[05:25] <azertyuuu> please help me
[05:25] <cnb_> you probably want to do sudo ndiswrapper -i (drivername).inf
[05:26] <azertyuuu> doesn't help
[05:27] <cnb_> please try "locate ndiswrapper|grep bin"
[05:27] <cnb_> and give the output
[05:28] <_warren> i had autmatix installed before and i seemed to work good
[05:28] <juke> i already have libgl1-mesa installed but it still saying could not load "libGL.so.. have any idea?? :P
[05:29] <_warren> some one here earlier was saying it is not safe
[05:31] <juke> please help me!! 8-)
[05:31] <skribe> ok, it's a problem with my gfx chips, not the monitor...
[05:31] <skribe> has anyone used kubuntu with a mini-itx board at all?
[05:31] <inuka> _warren: i didn't think automatix was safe because it uses the --force-yes option in apt-get and the man pages says that it could potentially destroy your system!!
[05:32] <_warren> i had it before and it worked fine
[05:32] <_warren> so should I be okay again
[05:33] <_warren> by system you mean?
[05:33] <Kr4t05> Gee, this may seem redundant, but why won't Kmid play midi files? That is what it's supposed to do, right?
[05:34] <juke> Is this Konversation good irc program or is it there better ones??
[05:34] <ovidiu> hello everybody?
[05:34] <juke> hi
[05:34] <_warren> hiya:)
[05:34] <ovidiu> how can I connect to undernet network?
[05:34] <ovidiu> where are the ubuntists from?
[05:35] <juke> finland :P
[05:35] <ovidiu> romania here..
[05:35] <metalhedd> ovidiu: /server eu.undernet.org
[05:35] <_warren> Canada
[05:35] <trappist> juke: I like irssi
[05:35] <ovidiu> im glad to see that there is no spam here, like...JOIN ..BUY...Discounts
[05:35] <crrj> juke, konversation isn't bad, there are other IRC clients. My suggestion is give each a try and stick with one that you like.
[05:36] <_warren> ok well i am going to install automatix see what happens..I ran it before no problems
[05:36] <juke> trappist: irssi?? is there others..
[05:37] <Mi|o> restarting :P
[05:37] <ovidiu> I am using both ubunt and XP but I will buy a laptop and will dedicate it 100% to ubuntu
[05:37] <trappist> juke: dozens of others.  BitchX is another console client.  xchat is a popular gui one.
[05:38] <crrj> There is an X interface to BItchX, can't remember the name off the top of my head
[05:38] <adsl> hi, did anyone manage to get compiz running on kubuntu?
[05:38] <trappist> I like a console client so I can run it in a screen and connect to it from anywhere.  this way I never have to disconnect.
[05:39] <crrj> that works
[05:40] <inuka> _warren: sorry, i'm not sure.. i was reading on the forum about how it apparently messes with dependencies.. but i've also used it in the past with no problems, so i'm not sure.. it *should* be ok i guess
[05:40] <_warren> ok i just downloaded it now
[05:40] <trappist> then I run bitlbee to proxy all my IM traffic through irc, so all my chat happens in one window, and I have access to it wherever I am
[05:40] <inuka> does anyone know if it's safe to conver the java sdk rpm to a deb file and install from that? this is the rpm i downloaded fromt eh sun microsystems site..
[05:41] <Sechs> [16:55]  <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to follow the instructions on this page: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html :P >> ok this...didnt worked.
[05:41] <trappist> !tell inuka about javadebs
[05:41] <trappist> inuka: that's not really the way to do it
[05:41] <Sechs> I think there's no way to do it.
[05:42] <_warren> what had happened is that I had originally installed ubuntu from the disc then decided to change it to kubuntu and that worked ok but it was a mixup ok ubuntu and kubuntu but Idid have automatix runing at that time and it did wonders for getting things going
[05:42] <inuka> trappist: ah.. i followed the instructions on the wiki and that worked fine but it's just the runtime environment, i can't fine the installation files for the sdk (sdk 5.0)..
[05:42] <_warren> no i installed kubuntu from the kubuntu iso an things look better now so I will run automatix to help the rest alont the way
[05:42] <trappist> inuka: if nothing else you can download the sdk from java.sun.com and install that
[05:43] <inuka> trappist: yeah, that's the file i downloaded.. they don't have a deb.. tere's just an rpm.. thanks
[05:43] <Chousuke> Sechs: there is.
[05:44] <Chousuke> Sechs: You obviously did something wrong. :/
[05:44] <inuka> _warren: yeah, i agree, it's amazing just to get  your system so things just work :)
[05:44] <_warren> kool :)
[05:44] <trappist> inuka: when you download from sun.com you have an option - rpm or tarball.  they're both .bin files but one extracts to an rpm and one doesn't.
[05:45] <Chousuke> meh
[05:45] <Chousuke> You wish people would instinctively do things the correct way.
[05:45] <ROBOd> hello
[05:45] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu breezy and i installed the kde-metapackage
[05:46] <Sechs> Ok this : sudo apt-get install j2re1.5-mozilla-plugin
[05:46] <_warren> ok it seems to be working find now
[05:46] <Sechs> should work right ?
[05:46] <Sechs> But no.
[05:46] <ROBOd> i want to remove my kde installation and ... i want to try to install a minimal kde
[05:46] <Sechs> I doesnt see what i do wrong here
[05:46] <Chousuke> Sechs: not really.
[05:46] <Sechs> lol
[05:46] <Sechs> no, really ?
[05:46] <Chousuke> Sechs: that requires you to have java in you apt sources
[05:46] <ROBOd> i did go into synaptic ... and selected for removal the kde metapackage
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: which, by default due to unavoidable circumstances, you don't
[05:47] <ROBOd> it won't remove all those tens (maybe hundrends) of packages
[05:47] <ROBOd> how to do it?
[05:47] <Sechs> So this is a mater of repositories ?
[05:47] <ROBOd> i don't want to pick each package
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: yeah
[05:47] <ROBOd> anybody? please
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: there is no repository that can legally distribute Java in Ubuntu's package format.
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: thank Sun for that ;P
[05:48] <Sechs> Hmhm...but..not...legally ?
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: you can download the binary yourself though and convert it to .deb.
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: that's legal.
[05:48] <ROBOd> guys? :)
[05:48] <Sechs> ok, back to this : then, i convert with alien ?
[05:48] <Chousuke> ROBOd: I don't think there's any easy way. :/
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: no, not alien
[05:48] <_warren> could you not just start from scratch Rob
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to download the .bin install file, not the rpm.
[05:49] <ROBOd> _warren: how?
[05:49] <Sechs> I have a rpm.bin
[05:49] <_warren> how did you install it in the firt place
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: then you need to use this tool called make-jpkg (apt-get install java-package) to turn that .bin into a debian package.
[05:49] <Sechs> not this ?
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: not the rpm one.
[05:49] <Sechs> k...
[05:50] <Chousuke> Java is probably one of the most difficult apps to install on Ubuntu :P
[05:50] <ROBOd> _warren: apt-get install kde
[05:50] <ROBOd> _warren: apt-get remove kde won't do the trick
[05:50] <_warren> I meant to start over agan from the istallation disc
[05:50] <Chousuke> all because you can't legally include it in the repositories ;/
[05:50] <Sechs> That, i'm glad to hear Chousuke
[05:50] <_warren> i remember seeing advanced instalation
[05:51] <Sechs> Cuz it's really somthng that makes me regret XP
[05:51] <ROBOd> _warren: dude ... this is my main computer
[05:51] <Sechs> And i dont wont to :/
[05:51] <Chousuke> Sechs: yeah. most apps are available through APT.
[05:51] <ROBOd> _warren: i can't reinstall my computer every minute :)
[05:51] <_warren> ok then sorry I cant help you
[05:51] <Chousuke> ROBOd: I think you can just remove something that most of the KDE stuff depends on.
[05:51] <Chousuke> ROBOd: like kdelibs
[05:52] <ROBOd> lemme see
[05:52] <Chousuke> (the exact name of that package might be kdelibs3 or something)
[05:53] <Sechs> I didnt really understood how to convert ?
[05:54] <ROBOd> Chousuke: thanks, that's very helpful
[05:54] <ROBOd> Chousuke: i already selected *many* packages
[05:57] <Sechs> I still can't understand for easy ubuntu...a site says i just have to DL the file, unzip it, and click on  the file inside..but it does nothing, weird...
[05:59] <_warren> did you install easyubuntu
[06:04] <Sechs> nope warren, doesnt work...i try this : http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html and it works, till the last line
[06:04] <Sechs> last line does nothing :/
[06:06] <macko> j trnava
[06:07] <_warren> it worked for me
[06:07] <_warren> but then i decided to install automatix
[06:07] <Sechs> bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:07] <Sechs> says this for me
[06:07] <_warren> i forgot what you were trying to do in the first place:(
[06:07] <Riddell> kdesu in kubuntu
[06:07] <Sechs> i forgot too warren lol
[06:07] <_warren> lmao
[06:08] <Sechs> So many things that wouldnt work i forgo the first :p
[06:08] <Sechs> Java i think...
[06:08] <ryanakca> I know that this is completly and absolutly offtopic, but seeing that I can't figure out what the license is, you know the thinklinux background that has tux in the apple, tuxinapple shows up in many things (kmenu icon, background, etc), so could you use it as a favicon?
[06:08] <Sechs> automatix, how did you install it ?
[06:08] <ryanakca> sorry if my question doesn't make sense...
[06:08] <_warren> 1 sec i get you the instructions
[06:09] <_warren> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[06:09] <tristanmike> !automatix
[06:09] <ubotu> I heard automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:09] <tristanmike> for a comparison of easyubuntu and automatix see...http://nalioth.hostdestroyer.com/comparison.html
[06:10] <Sechs> thanx
[06:10] <_warren> it asks you if you want to overwrite configuration on install
[06:11] <_warren> it explains it and gives you a choice
[06:11] <_warren> how ever a brief explanation
[06:11] <tristanmike> EasyUbuntu:Uses self-contained sources.list. Does not touch YOUR sources.list at all. Makes no changes to system settings.     Automatix:Uses a non-official sources.list. Changes system settings permanently.
[06:12] <Sechs> Damn o_o...it says the packet doesnt macth (i386) with my system (amd64)...so i guess installing kubuntu amd64 was a huge mistake finally.
[06:13] <_warren> maybe thats not such a bad thing as it seems to be the only thing that allowed me to get flash and windows media working was automatix
[06:13] <heinkel_111> hmm dows Konqueror actually run on very much mozilla code?
[06:14] <heinkel_111> can i install the mozilla flash plugin and it will work in Konquerer?
[06:14] <tristanmike> if someone feels more comfortable using automatix, that's ok, just please don't recommend it here.
[06:14] <_warren> there is different versions of Kubuntu Sechs
[06:14] <Sechs> yes..and i noticed i install the amd64 one
[06:15] <_warren> oh
[06:15] <Sechs> but my processor is i386
[06:15] <Sechs> so taht's maybe where some problems come from i dont know ?
[06:15] <_warren> could be none the less you should have the right version
[06:15] <tristanmike> that's it, you can't install the 64 bit version on a 32 bit machine, which is what an i386 machine is
[06:16] <MenZa> lol
[06:16] <Sechs> can i install a kubuntu i386 over a amd64 one ?
[06:16] <MenZa> You should never install the 64-bit one, even on a 64-bit cpu, in my opinion. Never gave me anything but trouble.
[06:16] <Sechs> yes but i read "AMD" and tought i was for the AMD processors...nevermind :/
[06:17] <Sechs> I just hope it's possible to install i386 over this one..
[06:17] <Sechs> someone tried this aleady ?
[06:17] <heinkel_111> hello...do flash plugins for mozilla work with konqueror?
[06:17] <knoppix> After updating two nights ago, my wireless network doesnt work. I think what happened is that a package called dhcp3-client got installed and the package dhcp-client was removed. I removed the former package but adept wont let me install the latter. When I run ifup wlan0 it says "network is down"
[06:18] <Sechs> Well, most generally, can i install a Kubuntu version over another ?
[06:20] <Sechs> No one know :( ?
[06:20] <tristanmike> Sechs, when installing just delete the "ext3 and swap" partitions, then set the free space to automatically configure, you should be good to go
[06:20] <Sechs> yeah right, i can delete anywya...
[06:20] <tristanmike> that's what you're going to have to do
[06:21] <tristanmike> are you dual booting ?
[06:21] <Sechs> with XP ?
[06:21] <Sechs> yes
[06:21] <tristanmike> yes, or any other os
[06:21] <Sechs> XP ^^
[06:21] <tristanmike> ok
[06:22] <tristanmike> Sechs, do what I said, delete the ext3 and swap partitions and reinstall on the free space, you should be good to go
[06:22] <Sechs> ok thanks :)
[06:23] <tristanmike> enjoy and have fun :)
[06:23] <Sechs> Oh and since i can cha,nge the distribution since i will delete this partitiion, : is Ubuntu similar to Kubuntu except for the KDE environnmt ?
[06:25] <tristanmike> yes, Ubuntu uses Gnome, but you can then install Kubuntu along side of Ubuntu as well ;)
[06:26] <tristanmike> and you can install virtually any package for Kubuntu and run it under Ubuntu, amaroK for instance ;)
[06:26] <tristanmike> if you choose not to install Kubuntu that is
[06:26] <_warren> the whole thing is very confusing to new users
[06:26] <_warren> lol
[06:27] <tristanmike> yeah choice can be a scary thing when you've never had it :P
[06:27] <_warren> to profound :P
[06:28] <sebastian> I have been trying and trying to get my .vmx file to stay as a .vmx file, but when I open click on it in Gnome/KDE.  It turns into a .txt file.  Also in VMware player it is a .txt file.
[06:28] <sebastian> anyone know how I can make sure it stays as a .vmx file?
[06:28] <Sechs> Well then, cya guys, have a nice day
[06:29] <Sechs> (and thanx)
[06:29] <tristanmike> good luck :)
[06:31] <Elsan_> Is there any danger to uprading to Dapper? I know some people who did it and it beautifully but I'm still wondering...
[06:31] <Chameleon22> Elsan_, always a danger, back everythign up or better yet ghost the system so you can recover fast and try
[06:31] <raphink> Elsan_: depends how well you can deal with your system
[06:31] <tristanmike> Dapper is in testing, i *may* break, there is always a danger
[06:32] <Elsan_> Ok
[06:32] <tristanmike> s/i/it
[06:32] <raphink> however, dapper is already a bit more stable than breezy
[06:32] <raphink> imho
[06:32] <raphink> esp. when it comes to kubuntu
[06:32] <raphink> which is horrible in breezy by default
[06:32] <tristanmike> yeah, they expect by the middle of april it to be pretty much there, the extra weeks are for polish and a few nicities
[06:33] <tristanmike> or so I've heard...:P
[06:33] <ninHer> hi all
[06:33] <raphink> well it was originally planned for the middle of april indeed
[06:33] <raphink> and I personally plan to keep this goal
[06:33] <raphink> as much as possible
[06:33] <raphink> otherwise there's no point in adding 6 weeks
[06:33] <raphink> hi ninHer
[06:34] <silke> 'llo. Can sompeone explain me where the media:/ stuff is stored?
[06:34] <Elsan_> What's really new with Dapper for Kubuntu? I alreayd have Koffice 1.5 and KDE 3.51...
[06:34] <raphink> stored?
[06:34] <raphink> Elsan_: polish, polish :)
[06:34] <raphink> + adept
[06:34] <crimsun> as in on the file system? /media/*
[06:34] <raphink> adept updater & installer
[06:34] <taneli> hey... im just installing xorg-driver-fglrx for radeon X300 card...and it asks cards bus identifier ?...
[06:34] <silke> yes I know what /media is
[06:35] <taneli> my card is at pcie
[06:35] <silke> but how come some things ARE found there and other arn't?
[06:35] <taneli> what should i put there ?
[06:35] <taneli> anyone have installed xorg-driver-fglrx for ATI ?
[06:35] <taneli> meaby all of you :)
[06:36] <silke> When I connect my digital camera he gives an error "couldn't find media:/sda" so how can I tell him what to look for?
[06:36] <Elsan_> raphink: Yeah 'cause I still use Synaptic even though I have adept
[06:36] <crimsun> silke: where is it mounted instead?
[06:36] <raphink> Elsan_: adept has been worked on a lot in dapper
[06:37] <raphink> Elsan_: although I personally only use apt-*
[06:37] <Elsan_> raphink: Yeah, saw some screens. Is there a new theme like for Ubuntu?
[06:37] <raphink> kwwii is working on the artwork currently
[06:37] <raphink> he began some time ago
[06:37] <raphink> so it's a work in progress
[06:37] <raphink> but I believe it'll be great in the end
[06:37] <raphink> given that he's the author of the SuSE look since 7 years ;)
[06:37] <Elsan_> Ok, as long as it's ready for the final release!
[06:38] <silke> crimsun: I don't know if it IS mounted
[06:38] <Elsan_> :o
[06:38] <raphink> and SuSE looks really cool ;)
[06:38] <Elsan_> :O
[06:38] <raphink> it'll be don't worry
[06:38] <crimsun> silke: then check with ``mount''
[06:38] <raphink> Elsan_: btw, if you prefer we can talk on -fr ;)
[06:38] <Elsan_> I'm just impressed
[06:38] <silke> well since I mounted it manually before, I'm pretty sure it's not :p
[06:39] <silke> so now I have to mount it manually every time, but that auto-mount-&-display-in-konqueror doesn't work
[06:39] <raphink> Elsan_: the default settings of KDE 3.5.1 have also reworked a lot in Dapper
[06:40] <raphink> thanks to Tonio_ :)
[06:40] <Tonio_> raphink: ^_^
[06:40] <crimsun> silke: do other removable storage devices like usb thumbdrives automount?
[06:40] <silke> I don't know, the cd-rom drive does
[06:40] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe ;)
[06:41] <Tonio_> raphink: I'm working on kaffeine 0.8 actually
[06:41] <raphink> ah great :)
[06:41] <raphink> I just arrived in Paris and wired the laptop ...
[06:41] <raphink> I should get a rest and unload the car
[06:41] <raphink> lol
[06:41] <Tonio_> it resolves system:/ issues :)
[06:41] <crimsun> silke: what does ``dmesg'' tell you regarding the kernel's detection of it?
[06:41] <raphink> Tonio_: really? how?
[06:41] <PoorYoric> Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[06:42] <PoorYoric> Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual
[06:42] <PoorYoric>  address 00000000
[06:42] <PoorYoric> Does this evoke something to anyone ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> raphink: it wasn't manging the kio plugins, simply
[06:42] <PoorYoric> (except "oops")
[06:42] <Tonio_> that doesn't resolve any issue with other apps, but kaffeine will now work
[06:42] <raphink> Tonio_: how about other programs, e.g. kpdf ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> raphink: in your ass ;)
[06:42] <raphink> Tonio_: hmmm...
[06:42] <Tonio_> hehe
[06:43] <raphink> ok on va s'expliquer en PV :p
[06:43] <Tonio_> sorry for this darling ;)
[06:43] <Tonio_> no but seriously, there is no way to completly fit with that stupid system:/ applet
[06:43] <Tonio_> all applications have to be adapted for compatibility
[06:43] <Tonio_> which means that will NEVER work with gnome apps
[06:43] <raphink> remove it :p)
[06:44] <silke> [4298116.437000]  SCSI device sda: 999936 512-byte hdwr sectors (512 MB)
[06:44] <raphink> who uses the system:/ applet in the bar ?
[06:44] <silke> crimsun: looks good
[06:44] <Tonio_> raphink: I would like to, but that's complicated
[06:44] <raphink> raise your hand?
[06:44] <Tonio_> and my patchfor this is crappy
[06:44] <Tonio_> I do, and most users do
[06:44] <raphink> ok
[06:45] <Tonio_> but we need a cpp coder to do a better patch than mine
[06:45] <silke> anyway, gtg for now, food... I'll just hope the problem will fix itself.
[06:45] <marwan> Hi, can any one help me, i am trying to install CrossOver office can any one give me link i can put in my list
[06:45] <jtshaw> Tonio_: What package is it in exactly?
[06:45] <Tonio_> jtshaw: kdebase :)
[06:46] <Tonio_> jtshaw: that's the problem, it is not easy at all to patch
[06:46] <disc-q> how do i delete autostart entries?
[06:46] <jtshaw> Tonio_ that is what I feared.. you mind sending me your patch?
[06:46] <Tonio_> disc-q: rm ;)
[06:46] <Tonio_> jtshaw: my patch is in actually
[06:46] <jtshaw> Tonio_: ah, ok
[06:46] <Tonio_> but it creates a little issue with the konqueror's sidebar
[06:46] <disc-q> Tonio_, rm /etc/init.d/sshd e.g.?
[06:46] <Tonio_> the system part of the sidebar doesn't work....
[06:47] <Tonio_> disc-q: yes
[06:47] <Tonio_> disc-q: ut if you just want that it doesn't start
[06:47] <Tonio_> use systemsettings
[06:47] <Tonio_> and disable autostart features
[06:47] <Tonio_> jtshaw: if you feel able to do better, plz do ;)
[06:48] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I dunno about "better":)
[06:48] <pahlooka> ubuntuforums down for anyone else?
[06:49] <disc-q> Tonio_, ah. thx
[06:49] <Tonio_> jtshaw: working like mine for systemapplet, and doesn't corrupting the sidebar ;)
[06:49] <marwan> CrossOver any idea here?>
[06:49] <pahlooka> ne1 running Dapper?
[06:49] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I'm going to look at it at the very least, but I make no promises
[06:49] <marwan> i need some help here guys
[06:50] <jtshaw> pahlooka: yep
[06:50] <disc-q> do i need the ppp daemon if i connect with a router?
[06:50] <pahlooka> jtshaw: are you getting an md5sum mismatch on universe packages.bz2 today?
[06:50] <PoorYoric> So, no idea for my kernel oops ?
[06:50] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Dunno, haven't updated today.. I'll check
[06:50] <schorem> @disc-q: No ppp daemon is for connecting thru a modem. As in the old times
[06:51] <disc-q> schorem, so i don't need it right?
[06:51] <pahlooka> jtshaw: you may not notice it unless you use apt-get update....synaptic and aptitude don't show the error, but of course I get no packages from universe
[06:51] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Appears to be fine today
[06:52] <schorem> @disc-q. Nope. Does your router have a dhcp server?
[06:52] <disc-q> yes. the dhcpclient starts while booting
[06:52] <PoorYoric> well, I'll restart with different kernel options
[06:52] <jtshaw> pahlooka: I used apt-get update and got no errors from the us mirrors
[06:52] <pahlooka> jtshaw: did u use apt-get to update the packages list?
[06:52] <schorem> @disc-q: well it should work fine then? can you connect to the internet or network
[06:52] <pahlooka> jtshaw: ok
[06:53] <disc-q> sure :)
[06:53] <disc-q> i will a have a try and stop ppp
[06:53] <disc-q> wasn't running :)
[06:53] <pahlooka> jtshaw: I'm going straight to archive.ubuntu.com (uk?) I was gonna leave a msg on ubuntuforums but its down for me too :O
[06:53] <schorem> @dis-q: just apt-get remove/purge ppp
[06:54] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Odd, the forums are fine for me as well...
[06:54] <schorem> does anyone here use dapper?
[06:54] <pahlooka> jtshaw: interesting.... thanks for checking
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: yep
[06:55] <schorem> any bugs?
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: yeah, a few, I can't get mp3 playing under ubuntu (kubuntu fine tho)
[06:55] <jtshaw> schorem: certainly a few... nothing show stopping on my system
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: I'm already happier with dapper than with breezy
[06:56] <schorem> Should I upgrade or stay at breezy?
[06:56] <knoppix> pahlooka, do you have wireless networking?
[06:56] <knoppix> pahlooka, just curious if it has improved.
[06:56] <pahlooka> schorem: The usual advice....don't upgrade your production machines
[06:56] <pahlooka> knoppix: yep
[06:57] <pahlooka> knoppix: improved??  Its always worked for me
[06:57] <schorem> thnx
[06:57] <jesusfish> anyone know where I can find a kdetv deb that works on dapper?
[06:57] <pahlooka> knoppix: wlan has worke for me since warty
[06:57] <knoppix> pahlooka - kwifimanager was a little tempermental for me.
[06:58] <knoppix> pahlooka, its not great for changing networks though.
[06:58] <pahlooka> knoppix: Ah, yes, ok, I hate that app - its ugly and don't really work.
[06:58] <pahlooka> knoppix: Let me check the dapper version now
[06:58] <knoppix> pahlooka, thanks!
[07:00] <sebastian> I got a .vmx file, but instead of it being a .vmx file it is a .txt file.  anyone know how I can solve this problem?
[07:03] <jesusfish> stupid dependencies for kdetv are all screwed up
[07:03] <pahlooka> knoppix: seems to work.  scans ok now, but as I don't have any hotspots near me except my own accesspoint I can't really tell if it will roam successfully
[07:04] <knoppix> pahlooka, you could try connecting to your already connected network. If it says "could not connect due to an invalid WEP key", then things havent changed much.
[07:04] <disc-q> anybody here who uses virtual machines?
[07:04] <pahlooka> knoppix: ok, I'll give it a try
[07:06] <pahlooka> knoppix: ok, you are right - its incorrectly thinking my AP is using WEP (it isn't) and gives the error you describe
[07:07] <knoppix> pahlooka, thanks for checking.
[07:07] <pahlooka> knoppix: np
[07:07] <knoppix> I have the exact same problem.
[07:13] <sebastian> hummmmmm
[07:14] <sebastian> I just got pissed off since no one was able to help me.  in the Ubuntu channel.  so I spammed it :D  and got a bann hummmmmmmm. I only wanted to get kicked out.  not to have some stupid bann is that a pernament bann on my IP?
[07:14] <Red_Herring> well
[07:14] <Red_Herring> whats your question?
[07:14] <crimsun> dude, stop being an ass. Seriously.
[07:15] <crimsun> If you aren't able to find help RIGHT THIS INSTANT, stand up, walk away, and come back in 5 minutes. Then ask again.
[07:15] <Red_Herring> dude, lets not spam channels, and also, if no one can help you
[07:15] <Red_Herring> ask later
[07:15] <Red_Herring> so ask NOW
[07:15] <ryanakca> sebastian: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[07:15] <ryanakca> my favorite website :)
[07:15] <sebastian> so that bann is not pernament?
[07:15] <crimsun> no, you're not banned. You're muzzled.
[07:16] <sebastian> muted?
[07:16] <crimsun> When you learn to stop spamming, I'll remove it.
[07:16] <ryanakca> heh... I'm surprised ubotu doesn't have a comment about spamming :)
[07:16] <crimsun> there are 675 other people in there. Nothing makes you any more special than any of the rest of us.
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[07:17] <ryanakca> 675 people in #ubuntu ??? wow... So are there more ubuntu users the kubuntu users... seeing that we have 193 people in here? or is kubuntu easyer than ubuntu or ???
[07:17] <sebastian> I have a .vmx file, but well it is a .txt file
[07:17] <Snake__> ryanakca: ubuntu is older
[07:17] <sebastian> I have tryed and tryed to get it to stay as a .vmx file
[07:17] <sebastian> ,but it just won't do it
[07:18] <ryanakca> Snake__: ah, I see
[07:18] <Red_Herring> well, it does have senority
[07:18] <ryanakca> Snake__: and is xubuntu older than kubuntu, or younguer
[07:18] <crimsun> even younger.
[07:18] <Snake__> ryanakca: I believe younger
[07:18] <Red_Herring> but in my opinion, ubuntu is about 6 months more mature than kubuntu
[07:18] <Red_Herring> younger
[07:18] <ryanakca> heh, and Zubuntu is younger than xubuntu :)
[07:19] <raf> Hello all!
[07:19] <Red_Herring> hi
[07:19] <Snake__> Red_Herring: ubuntu is about a year older
[07:19] <raf> Just a question:
[07:19] <ryanakca> geee... we almost have a buntu alphabet :)
[07:19] <pahlooka> zubuntu????
[07:19] <Red_Herring> Snake__: i know, but about 6 months more mature
[07:19] <sebastian> does VMware player have it's own channel?
[07:19] <sebastian> some where
[07:19] <ryanakca> Z series ubuntu or something like that
[07:19] <tristanmike> #vmware
[07:19] <Red_Herring> for servers
[07:19] <Snake__> lol
[07:19] <Snake__> ah
[07:19] <tristanmike> maybe?
[07:19] <pahlooka> oh
[07:19] <raf> just one technical question please:
[07:19] <raf> Do you know when the next release of kubuntu is expected??
[07:20] <tristanmike> yup, #vmware
[07:20] <ryanakca> June 1st methinks
[07:20] <Red_Herring> may
[07:20] <_jonathan> yeah
[07:20] <Snake__> raf: June first
[07:20] <pahlooka> 6.06
[07:20] <ryanakca> oh, my bad :)
[07:20] <_jonathan> june 1
[07:20] <Red_Herring> dang
[07:20] <Red_Herring> off
[07:20] <sebastian> nope I just created #vmware by j9oining it
[07:20] <ryanakca> ok then, I was right :)
[07:20] <Red_Herring> its june 1
[07:20] <raf> thanks!
[07:20] <_jonathan> lol....first part of june
[07:20] <trappist> sebastian: typo? wrong server? #vmware is there
[07:20] <Red_Herring> WHAT??!?!? there is no channel #nerds?
[07:20] <sebastian> which server?
[07:21] <sebastian> trapist
[07:21] <tristanmike> sebastian, yeah, me and the other 40 people
[07:21] <Snake__> sebastian: freenode...
[07:21] <tristanmike> "/join #vmware"
[07:21] <simian> my laptop made a few high pitched noises then i reset it and now it says there is no hard drive....any thoughts?
[07:21] <darkspirit> hi all
[07:21] <Snake__> simian: dead HDD would be your most probible cause
[07:21] <sebastian> in there now
[07:21] <gleesond> whats the command to open control center?
[07:21] <pahlooka> simian: DEAD HDD MAN
[07:21] <sebastian> hopefully I will be able to get help there
[07:21] <ryanakca> simian: your hard drive died like mine
[07:21] <pahlooka> oops, sorry for the caps
[07:21] <ryanakca> hopefully you had backups :)
[07:21] <Snake__> gleesond: alt+f2 and type kcontrol and press "run"
[07:22] <darkspirit> i have one question?
[07:22] <simian> great (sarcasm)
[07:22] <gleesond> Snake__: thatnks
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: just ask
[07:22] <darkspirit> is there a fench kubuntu's channel?
[07:22] <simian> so there is nothing i can do about that?
[07:22] <Red_Herring> !languages
[07:22] <ubotu> methinks languages is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&value=languages&titlesearch=Titles
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: french**?
[07:22] <pahlooka> simian: not usually
[07:22] <tristanmike> #kubuntu-fr
[07:22] <darkspirit> yea
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: ^^
[07:22] <Snake__> rigt there
[07:23] <darkspirit> ok thx for the hand
[07:23] <darkspirit> :-)
[07:23] <simian> pahlooka: what about an external hard drive - is it worth it?
[07:25] <gleesond> I guess I don't see where to configure the theme for KDM
[07:25] <pahlooka> simian: Umm...might work, but it depends on whether your machine will boot from it
[07:26] <Rayman> any idea of specs needed to run xubuntu?
[07:26] <gleesond> I thought there was a place in control center but I don't see it
[07:26] <pahlooka> simian: you could always take your lappy to the shop and have a new hdd put in....shouldn't cost more than 200-300
[07:26] <Snake__> gleesond: go into apperances
[07:26] <sebastian> no one talking in  Vmware channel :(
[07:26] <Snake__> gleesond: then configure whatever you want to configure
[07:26] <tristanmike> !patience
[07:26] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
[07:27] <gleesond> Snake__: I'm trying to configre the login screen
[07:27] <Snake__> gleesond: Oh...I dont think thats configuarble without editing the image files themselves >.<....dont  hold me to that tho, but thats how I did it
[07:28] <Clockworker> one question ist kde4 avaible alpha or other previews?
[07:28] <sebastian> is there like a general Linux channel?
[07:29] <Snake__> sebastian: #linux?
[07:29] <sebastian> I tryed that
[07:29] <Red_Herring> hehehe
[07:29] <sebastian> and it said it had moved
[07:29] <sebastian> or something
[07:29] <Red_Herring> how about #linux-newbies?
[07:29] <Snake__> hmm
[07:29] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: kde4 is not out in any way shape or form yet
[07:29] <sebastian> I have a file that is supopused to be a .vmx file.  ,but instead Linux thinks it is a .txt
[07:29] <sebastian> anyone know why that is?
[07:29] <sebastian> and how to solve this problem?
[07:29] <Red_Herring> it doesnt work ATT ALL
[07:29] <aaron> I need to update my sources.list file...   I'm not getting any good packages listed in adept.. like macromedia flash or acroread
[07:30] <Clockworker> thx Red_Herring
[07:30] <aaron> or mplayer
[07:30] <cycus_zwisus> help!!i can't update kde language pack to version 3.5.2
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about sources
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about restricted
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about easyubuntu
[07:31] <tristanmike> aaron, that should get you started ;P
[07:31] <Red_Herring> tell tristanmike to stop telling aaron about things
[07:31] <Red_Herring> :-P
[07:31] <Red_Herring> jkjk
[07:31] <sebastian> stupid IRC I am probably better off trying a forum
[07:31] <bobyfixer> any one compiled mechcommander 2 under linux ?!!!!
[07:31] <Red_Herring> no
[07:31] <tristanmike> sebastian, help comes in all forums, lol get it :P
[07:32] <sebastian> .vmx file is created by putting the stuff in a text editor.  and saving it as filename.vmx.  ,but my .vmx files Linux thinks are .txt and so they won't work
[07:32] <sebastian> anyone know how to solve this problem?
[07:33] <aaron> I've looked for a list of kubuntu repositories.. thanks guys!
[07:33] <me2win> aaron, did you need to find more repos?
[07:35] <aaron> me2win: .. yes.. actually just ones that have good stuff that won't break my breazy badger
[07:35] <me2win> ubot tell aaron about repos
[07:35] <me2win> ubotu, tell aaron about repos
[07:36] <tristanmike> aaron, look at the 3 pm's ubotu sent you
[07:48] <cycus_zwisus> after installing ati drivers shouldn't it be enough to edit xorg.conf and substitute "ati" with "fglrx"?
[07:49] <jesusfish> what would cause KDE to work when using failsafe, but not normally?
[07:49] <jesusfish> it just boots me back to KDM
[07:50] <jesusfish> it was working fine before I did an upgrade
[07:50] <n3storm> read the .xsession-errors at your home
[07:50] <jesusfish> n3storm: I didn. nothing there
[07:50] <n3storm> have you tried other user, jesusfish
[07:50] <jesusfish> n3storm: and yes, I tried another user
[07:50] <nferreira> How can I play DVD in Kubuntu with kaffeine ??
[07:51] <aaron> so, to upgrade from 5.10 to 6.04 all I have to do us change from breezy to hoary ?
[07:51] <n3storm> jesusfish: and thesame prob?
[07:51] <jesusfish> n3storm: yup
[07:51] <aaron> actually.. all I need is a list of repositories.. my kubuntu 5.10 did not come with a good list of repositories
[07:51] <jesusfish> n3storm: if I do failsafe, and use "startkde" in the xterm, it boots KDE fine
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: aja
[07:52] <jesusfish> n3storm: ?
[07:52] <nferreira> how can i paly DVD with kaffeine in Kubuntu
[07:52] <me2win> aaron, there arent a LIST of repositories, you just uncomment the ones you need in sources.list
[07:52] <Red_Herring> !libdvdcss
[07:52] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[07:52] <aaron> I enabled all of them that were commented out in adept, but they don't look anything like the screenshots at the wiki
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: that used to happen long time ago, what distro you installed?
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: to dapper?
[07:53] <me2win> aaron, thats because the wiki screens are using gnome, not KDE
[07:53] <jesusfish> n3storm: I had it working after I bumped up to dapper
[07:53] <jesusfish> n3storm: was working fine after I installed XGL/compiz too
[07:53] <n3storm> remove kdm
[07:53] <n3storm> and use gdm
[07:53] <n3storm> just to check
[07:54] <jesusfish> k
[07:54] <jesusfish> brb
[07:55] <aaron> me2win: I mean the repositories listed in the screen shot
[07:56] <me2win> !repos
[07:56] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:56] <me2win> aaron, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[07:56] <me2win> there is a list of the repos
[07:56] <me2win> the ones in the screenshot dont matter, its just an example of what you are supposed to see if you wwere using gnome
[07:56] <aaron> I understand the gnome / kde difference .. oh easysource..
[07:57] <nferreira> I already installed  libdvdcss, but the kaffeine player keep saying that don't have the plugin to play DVD
[07:58] <OBe> I cant even get a music cd to play in Kaffine :(
[08:03] <jesusfish> n3storm: ya, gdm works
[08:03] <jesusfish> n3storm: though its not setup to use Xgl atm so I didn't have any windecs
[08:04] <n3storm> jesusfish: no windecs, sounds funny :)
[08:04] <jesusfish> lol
[08:04] <n3storm> so it's something about the description of the session at kdm
[08:04] <n3storm> mmm
[08:08] <jesusfish> n3storm: shouldn't it have an error in .xessions-errors then?
[08:09] <n3storm> not sure
[08:09] <n3storm> what do you have in there?
[08:09] <jesusfish> n3storm: the only line in there is that the session was started
[08:11] <n3storm> jesusfish: I am using kde 3.5.1, shall we check kdm configuration?
[08:11] <n3storm> but I am using breezy, though
[08:11] <n3storm> .
[08:12] <jesusfish> n3storm: ya, I've been plugging through the config
[08:12] <jesusfish> n3storm: what is called on a normal session that isn't on a failsafe?
[08:14] <n3storm> xdmcp?
[08:14] <ryanakca> if an image is gpl, and you use it as a favicon, how do you give the person who sees it a copy of the gpl license?
[08:14] <jesusfish> k, I'm gonna try the default kdm
[08:17] <n3storm> ryanakca: write down the link to the copy as a comment in the html
[08:17] <ryanakca> n3storm: ah, ty
[08:20] <jesusfish> n3storm: interesting...its the Xgl servercmd line that does it
[08:22] <n3storm> jesusfish: bad news and good news
[08:22] <jesusfish> n3storm: yet, when I use failsafe, Xgl still works
[08:23] <jesusfish> n3storm: and the Xgl command itself works, as I tried it too
[08:24] <n3storm> dapper: beta
[08:27] <Zechs> Hi again
[08:28] <Zechs> I just installed Kubuntu but my screen is in 648X480...how do i pass to 1024 ?
[08:29] <Red_Herring> !resolution
[08:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:31] <jesusfish> n3storm: figured it out
[08:32] <jesusfish> n3storm: I had to comment our main() in the displayconfig-restore file to get XGL to work (as per the HOWTO), and it got overwritten after my update
[08:32] <n3storm> jesusfish:didn't apt ask you when replacing the file? :P
[08:33] <jesusfish> n3storm: no, cuz its a file in /usr/bin, not a config
[08:33] <n3storm> aha, I see
[08:38] <_normal1> hey
[08:39] <Zechs> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesnt work...
[08:40] <Zechs> I have selected 1024 but still nothing
[08:40] <_normal1> hey how do i install a .sh ?
[08:40] <_normal1> sorry i'm just starting linux =\
[08:40] <n3storm> "dotslash .sh" _normal1
[08:40] <n3storm> "./whatever.sh"
[08:40] <trappist> or 'sh filename.sh'
[08:40] <_normal1> cool
[08:40] <_normal1> thanks =)
[08:41] <n3storm> welcome
[08:41] <_normal1> normal1@iismonitor:~/Desktop/mothra3$ ./ build.sh
[08:41] <_normal1> bash: ./: is a directory
[08:41] <_normal1> =\
[08:41] <_normal1> am i doing it right ?
[08:42] <n3storm> no spaces
[08:42] <_normal1> now i get gmake command not found
[08:43] <n3storm> _normal1: what are you trying to do?
[08:43] <_normal1> install a program
[08:43] <n3storm> the program is trying to compile
[08:44] <_normal1> should i download another compiler ?
[08:44] <frank23> _normal1: what program are you trying to compile?
[08:45] <_normal1> mothra3
[08:45] <_normal1> its some banner grabber
[08:46] <frank23> _normal1: did you install build-essential ?
[08:47] <_normal1> didn't see any
[08:48] <frank23> _normal1: you should install   build-essential with adept
[08:48] <_normal1> how would i do that
[08:48] <frank23> !adept
[08:48] <ubotu> from memory, adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:48] <_normal1> thanks
[08:48] <frank23> _normal1: in K->System
[08:50] <Zechs> !diskmounter
[08:50] <ubotu> diskmounter is, like, to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[08:51] <_normal1> got it, the only proablem is i don't know what to install
[08:51] <frank23> _normal1: what do you mean?
[08:51] <frank23> _normal1: did you click commit changes to do the install?
[08:52] <Zechs> how do i get to the desktop path in the console pls ?
[08:52] <frank23> Zechs: cd Desktop
[08:52] <Zechs> thx
[08:52] <ryanakca> do you need to put <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" />  on every page of your website, or can you configure apache to use it as a favicon?
[08:52] <_normal1> i don't really understand what i need to install the program mothra3
[08:53] <_normal1> when i ./
[08:53] <_normal1> it says something about gmake
[08:53] <_normal1> do i need to install that
[08:53] <Rayman> ryanakca: just put the favicon.ico to the document root. Most browser query it on every request anyway.
[08:54] <frank23> _normal1: well since you will need to compile mothra, you need compilation tools:  gcc, make..   build-essential  installs those
[08:54] <_normal1> cool thanks
[08:55] <ryanakca> Rayman: kk, thanks
[08:57] <frank23> _normal1: I found your program. build.sh does this:    cd src/ && gmake && cp m3 ../ && cd -        I think you'll have to change gmake for make.   not sure what gmake is exactly
[08:59] <_normal1> make and gcc have tons of different related software
[08:59] <_normal1> =\
[09:01] <frank23> _normal1: do you have a fast connection
[09:02] <frank23> _normal1: the regular way to install programs is with adept. compiling is only for things that are not in the repositories
[09:02] <_normal1> exaclly this isn't in a repository
[09:03] <Zechs> When i try to run automatix, it says : AUtomatix will not run alongside an independant instance of dpkg please run just one of them at the time.
[09:03] <philipp> the best is to use a graphical interface for apt (adept) like synaptic
[09:03] <Zechs> Wwhat's wrong ?
[09:03] <philipp> zechs, close synaptic or any other packet managment software
[09:03] <Zechs> there isnt any open lol...
[09:03] <frank23> Zechs: automatix is know to screw up things sometimes. easyubuntu is safer
[09:03] <Rayman> what is this mothra3 anyway
[09:04] <philipp> nothing?
[09:04] <frank23> !automatix
[09:04] <ubotu> I heard automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[09:04] <_normal1> some banner grabber
[09:04] <Zechs> easyubuntu doesnt want to install so..
[09:04] <_normal1> hmm
[09:05] <philipp> @zechs can you run "sudo apt-get update" ?
[09:06] <Zechs> ok
[09:06] <Zechs> true taht i didnt do it since i install
[09:07] <Zechs> maybe this is the problem
[09:12] <flavio> Sorry for the question, Kubuntu 5.10 had some problem with DCOP demon, someonoe know why ?
[09:19] <nico8481> re
[09:20] <Zechs> Any idea why Adept doesnt start anymore ?
[09:20] <frank23> Zechs: make sure no adept/apt/dpkg processes are running
[09:21] <Zechs> how do i check this ?
[09:21] <Zechs> because i see nothing running
[09:21] <Zechs> If there is another way to see whats running...?
[09:21] <philipp> ps -e
[09:21] <philipp> can you do a apt-get update?
[09:21] <frank23> Zechs: ps aux | grep apt
[09:23] <Zechs> it's ok, it worked for update thx
[09:23] <Zechs> but it's weird, its not the first time adept work one time / 2
[09:23] <frank23> Zechs: you mean you click adept and nothing happens?
[09:24] <Zechs> no it worked now but yes...i clicked, it load, and nothing
[09:24] <frank23> Zechs: I think it might be a problem with kdesu. you just click a second time and it usually works
[09:25] <philipp> zechs, maybe synaptic works better for you
[09:25] <Zechs> k i'll try to DL synaptic
[09:26] <frank23> Zechs: not sure if it will work better but I like synaptic much more than adpet
[09:28] <philipp> me2
[09:36] <djk_> does adept log its actions
[09:37] <mornfall> nah
[09:37] <Naail> hmm my firefox seems to lag quite a bit.... :(
[09:38] <djk_> mornfall: was that directed at me?
[09:39] <mornfall> probably
[09:39] <djk_> then that's probably a reason why adept sucks.
[09:51] <jordan> hey all
[09:51] <jordan> I need help installing this script called "lomoco." anyone ever use it or think they can give me a hand?
[10:00] <l091548> good afternoon all
[10:01] <raul> hola a todos
[10:01] <raul> acabo de instalar kubuntu y la verdad no soy capaz de echar a andar el amsn, alguien me ayuda a migrar de windows?
[10:02] <raul> acabo de instalar kubuntu y la verdad no soy capaz de echar a andar el amsn, alguien me ayuda a migrar de windows?
[10:03] <Zechs> can someone help me with this "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. " ? this is what i get when i try to apply on adept
[10:04] <Zechs> (and i cant install anything, that's why i dont have synaptic instead)
[10:08] <beemer> Zechs - I've run into that error before getting wine from the wine repositories - it usually means it couldn't get the whole package download.
[10:08] <beemer> is it downloading the package 100%?
[10:08] <Sechs> yeah but it does this with all the packages...
[10:08] <Sechs> nope, i have none of it
[10:08] <Parkotron> Where can I find KRandR?
[10:08] <Sechs> Maybe my repositories are bad ?
[10:08] <Sechs> Is there a good website for repositories ?
[10:09] <beemer> Not sure sechs
[10:10] <Sechs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? >> it says this too whn i try to update, but i dont know how to kill those process since i see nothing open..
[10:10] <beemer> are you running another copy of adept?
[10:10] <Sechs> nope, thats whats weird
[10:10] <Sechs> If i reboot, all processes will be shut right ?
[10:10] <beemer> that error i've found is when adept is running or maybe dpkg from the command line
[10:11] <beemer> yeah - a reboot should clear errant processes
[10:11] <Sechs> I mean if i reboot this problem should disappear ?
[10:11] <Sechs> ok
[10:11] <Sechs> thx, let's try
[10:15] <Sechs> Cool, it works now...btw, isnt there any other to kill processes without rebooting ?
[10:15] <djk_> does anyone here use azureus?
[10:15] <tristanmike> I do
[10:18] <jesusfish> hmmm...apparently dapper has a version of mythv that is not compatible with mysql-server-5.0
[10:18] <beemer> sechs - from a command line: ps -ef
[10:18] <beemer> that will give you a list of all running processes
[10:18] <beemer> you can then: kill {process_id}
[10:18] <Sechs> yes for the list...but u cant kill them from here ?
[10:18] <Sechs> ah k
[10:20] <beemer> anyone know anything about ext dvd drives in kubuntu?  Mine runs but only at cd rom speed
[10:39] <Unity> how should i reintsall kde from scratch? kde no longer works
[10:39] <zblach> Unity, what is your problem exactly?
[10:40] <Unity> zblach: i get two segfaults when i do startkde
[10:40] <Unity> /usr/bin/startkde: line 205:  6444 Segmentation fault      ksplash --nodcop
[10:40] <Unity> /usr/bin/startkde: line 213:  6445 Segmentation fault      LD_BIND_NOW=true kdei
[10:41] <zblach> think the problem could be resolved entirely just bu correcting that file?
[10:41] <Unity> zblach: this peristed after a sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:41] <Unity> zblach: what would i do to the file?
[10:41] <zblach> Unity, just an upgrade never fixed anytihing
[10:42] <zblach> erm, go to a terminal (konsole) and take a look at the file. (vim /usr/bin/startkde)
[10:42] <Unity> zblach: looking at now
[10:42] <zblach> anything wonky with those lines?
[10:42] <Unity> like 205 is just
[10:43] <Unity> "fi" there shouldn't be any segfaults in "fi"
[10:43] <Unity> here is line 213: LD_BIND_NOW=true kdeinit +kcminit
[10:44] <zblach> guess we have different files
[10:44] <Unity> ideally that shouldn't happen
[10:44] <Unity> KDE 3.4.3 here
[10:44] <zblach> oh
[10:44] <Unity> maybe upgrading will fix it
[10:44] <zblach> dangerous thinking
[10:44] <Unity> yep, but what do i have to lose?
[10:44] <Unity> a non-working kde?
[10:45] <zblach> if it does break, it'd be harder to debug
[10:45] <Unity> i don't mind, i'm ready to reinstall ubuntu altogether
[10:45] <zblach> *nods* okay, then you don't really have anything to lose
[10:46] <Unity> or debian since i've spent about four hours trying to fix various ubuntu things and i've had it
[10:46] <Unity> !kde
[10:46] <ubotu> kde is, like, A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[10:46] <Unity> !wiki
[10:46] <zblach> bit of advice: if you do a full reinstall, put /home/ onto a seperate partition. it really makes a reinstall a cleaner process
[10:46] <zblach> i'll give you the deb addresses
[10:46] <Unity> zblach: yup i learned that today
[10:47] <Unity> zblach: i'm gonna have to move everything out to reinstall now
[10:48] <zblach> Unity, can you get pm's?
[10:48] <zblach> i can't just copy & paste into here
[10:49] <Unity> zblach: yes
[10:49] <Unity> oh i didn't identify...
[10:52] <ryanakca> can you find a hostname based on an ip address? ie 24.226.20.171 to d226-20-171.home.cgocable.net    .... if so, would that be a security risk?
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: `host 24.226.20.171`
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: you need a certain package to use host, although i'm not sure which
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: it doesn ip to hostname and vice-versa
[10:57] <ryanakca> Unity: but is that a security risk?
[10:57] <thinkloop> im trying to get my mail servers to work but having problems. Anyone know where exim4 creates its mailbox?
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: nope i don't see anything wrong with it
[10:57] <ryanakca> kk, good
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: d226-20-171 <
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: that much is enough to find your ip
[11:01] <f8> i just installed kubuntu desktop and the log in screen is kubuntu but it loads in gnome... can someone help?
[11:01] <f8> should i uninstall gnome?
[11:02] <nox> you have kdm set as default login manager.
[11:02] <f8> yeah nox.
[11:02] <nox> and it is loading gnome
[11:02] <nox> ?
[11:02] <f8> yeah
[11:03] <nox> IIRC you can change the default login from the kdm login screen
[11:07] <nuky>  where can you get the public keys for the repositories? when i try to update, i get an error saying that the http://koti.mbnet.fi breezy/ has NO_PUBKEY available..
[11:07] <kwtm1> I think I'm getting an error with updates: every time I try to "Fetch updates", Adept reports an error with the multiverse repositories.  Is this the correct line in the repositories file (I think it's /etc/apt/sources.list)?
[11:07] <kwtm1> deb  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  breezy  multiverse
[11:09] <Kasei^> Hi, anybody using NowPlaying Script in amaroK? I cant make it export to ftp.
[11:09] <Cilindrador> hello
[11:09] <Cilindrador> Cilindrador ive installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop. how can i update Breezy all the way to 3.5.1?
[11:10] <kwtm1> Cilindrator: 3.5.1?  You mean turn it into kubuntu completely?
[11:10] <Cilindrador> no no
[11:10] <Cilindrador> ivve had a kubuntu-cd
[11:10] <Cilindrador> and apparently kubuntu has its wifi broken
[11:10] <Cilindrador> from root
[11:11] <Sechs> Oh, i've got i stupid question but is it possible to get to Gnome from Kubuntu ?
[11:11] <Cilindrador> however i have no probs with this ubuntu+kubunt-desktop installation
[11:11] <Sechs> Cuz the first distrib i tried is K but i'd like to see gnome without to reinstall all
[11:11] <nalioth> !kde3.5.1
[11:11] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:11] <kwtm1> Sechs: I think so: install gnome-desktop or something. Later you can uninstall kde-desktop
[11:11] <Cilindrador> ok tks
[11:11] <Sechs> kthx
[11:11] <nalioth> Sechs: install ubuntu-desktop and then you can choose it at your login menu under 'sessions'
[11:12] <Sechs> ah, nice thx
[11:15] <Cilindrador> ok lets try it then
[11:15] <kwtm1> Question: (k)Ubuntu Badger is now failing to detect my USB printer (HPpsc1210), where it had worked fine under Badger before.  Not sure what changed.  What utilities can I use to tinker/diagnose?  The usual CUPS web page at http://localhost:631 has been disabled, and the KDE ctrl centre just plain doesn't detect my printer.
[11:17] <Cilindrador> wtf adept does not boot
[11:18] <Cilindrador> hm how do i use the public key thing?
[11:18] <Cilindrador> i tried using konsole and get this: W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn                                                 't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D50                                                 88
[11:18] <Cilindrador> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problem
[11:19] <tristanmike> Cilindrador: on the page where you got the line for your sources should have intstruction on how to add the key
[11:20] <Cilindrador> crap why wont adept boot?
[11:20] <tristanmike> dapper ?
[11:20] <Cilindrador> breezy
[11:21] <tristanmike> I've heard some people with adept errors today, I don't know if they're related
[11:21] <Cilindrador> mine just has that bouncing thing
[11:21] <Cilindrador> for a while (~30s?)
[11:21] <Cilindrador> and then nothing
[11:21] <tristanmike> mine opens...
[11:23] <Cilindrador> what other pack. manager is there (except synaptic)
[11:24] <ryanakca> Cilindrador: aptitude
[11:25] <Cilindrador> ok ill try that one
[11:25] <slow-motion> n8
[11:25] <ryanakca> Cilindrador: go into konsole, go "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade" and then "sudo apt-get install aptitude"
[11:26] <Cilindrador> whats the difference between update and upgrade?
[11:26] <ryanakca> (they might have release a fix for adept allready, who knows)
[11:26] <tristanmike> update finds updates, upgrade applies them if i'm not mistaken
[11:26] <Cilindrador> ah ok
[11:26] <ryanakca> correct
[11:27] <kleinlappies> help
[11:27] <kleinlappies> #join
[11:28] <kleinlappies> hi there can anyone help me with some repos i tried a few sourcers.list files but none that work quite so lekka.
[11:30] <Cilindrador> aleluia
[11:30] <Cilindrador> or not?
[11:30] <Cilindrador> progress
[11:30] <nalioth> !repos
[11:30] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:30] <Cilindrador> i got adept to ask for the password
[11:31] <heinkel_111> does anybody know how to set the separation between tracks when burning cds with K3b?
[11:32] <heinkel_111> i need to have 0 separation, for a 1 hr long  mix
[11:32] <heinkel_111> but i still want the track markers
[11:32] <Cilindrador> how do i kill a process using its name only (case in point: adept)
[11:32] <glick> sudo killall adept
[11:33] <Cilindrador> tks
[11:33] <Cilindrador> ALELUIA
[11:33] <Cilindrador> IT WORKS
[11:34] <osh_> heinkel_111: no idea.
[11:34] <Russel> hello, i have a problem:
[11:35] <heinkel_111> :(
[11:35] <Russel> at the moment udev makes a symlink from hda to dvd, but i want it from hdb to dvd... the hda is my dvd-rw
[11:35] <glick> damn i have a prestine kde install
[11:35] <Russel> anybody know what to change?
[11:35] <heinkel_111> got to burn off some cheap CDs then, and find out by fail and fail :P
[11:35] <glick> nothing works yet
[11:35] <glick> and im too lazy to start installing mp3 support and all the plugins :/
[11:36] <aaron> I can't fix the date on my system
[11:36] <Cilindrador> use easyubuntu
[11:36] <kleinlappies> ubotu thanks
[11:36] <ubotu> kleinlappies: no worries
[11:36] <osh_> aaron: try the command "date".
[11:36] <glick> Cilindrador: i dont mind doing it, im just too lazy to do it now
[11:36] <aaron> I think the UTC clock is right, but I can't fix it using ;the "adjust time / date" from the clock in kicker
[11:37] <aaron> osh_: ... the system clock is correct.. it's just not dealing with the timezone...
[11:37] <glick> whats absolutely rediculous is that in kde the clock applet i cant choose it to be 12 hour format
[11:37] <Cilindrador> now i just need the wpasupplicant
[11:37] <Cilindrador> i hope that thing works well
[11:37] <Tm_T> glick: ?
[11:38] <glick> Tm_T: the panel clock
[11:38] <Tm_T> you can
[11:38] <osh_> aaron: /etc/timezone?
[11:38] <glick> Tm_T: how?
[11:38] <Tm_T> rightclick it -> date/time format
[11:38] <Tm_T> etc
[11:39] <Tm_T> yeah, it follows systemwide settings
[11:39] <aaron> cat /etc/timezone
[11:39] <aaron> America/Los_Angelesaaron@chopper:~$
[11:39] <glick> hehe ok lemme log out and see
[11:41] <aaron> osh_: the timezone is correct
[11:41] <aaron> osh_: it's just... the kde clock won't update.. and it says it's in UTC
[11:42] <glick> sweetness!
[11:42] <glick> thanks, whoever it was that told me about that
[11:42] <aaron> and I hit "apply" after selecting los angeles.. and it switches to pst (correct) and it says the correct time... but then I hit apply again and it does nothing...  I reopen it, and it doesn't work
[11:42] <aaron> er.. it didn't work
[11:43] <dragonkh> hello
[11:43] <dragonkh> anyone using xgl ?
[11:45] <sledge> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[11:45] <sledge> :/
[11:45] <nalioth> dragonkh: ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:45] <Phazeman> hi all. i'm trying to do some "project" here... i have a new user (my fife's father) that doesn't know anything about computers at all. all he knows - internet explorer - open the internet (thats what he says when he come to me - open the internet please). i've found some old PII 350+256MB and installed kubuntu on it. now i want to create him a user that will not be able to do ANYTHING but using the stuff that is on the desktop or in h
[11:45] <nalioth> sledge: are your repos enabled?
[11:45] <sledge> nalioth: yes.
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: any user you create will have limited permissions
[11:46] <sledge> adept and apt-get use the same sources.list, right?
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: when YOU installed kubuntu, YOU are the superuser or administrator. make your paw-in-law an account and let 'im loose
[11:46] <Phazeman> nalioth: so just create a regular user and setup the desktop for him will be enough ?
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: yup
[11:47] <pulsar84> Hallo!
[11:47] <Cilindrador> im about to download easyubuntu
[11:47] <Cilindrador> what do i get?
[11:47] <Cilindrador> "bleeding edge" or "nightly snapshot"?
[11:47] <Phazeman> nalioth: thanks much
[11:48] <nalioth> Phazeman: np
[11:48] <sledge> what's the difference? ;)
[11:48] <nalioth> Cilindrador: get the svn version
[11:48] <Cilindrador> svn == snapshota?
[11:49] <pulsar84> Anyone here using Superkaramba and willing to help me? :)
[11:49] <Cilindrador> nalioth, whats the svn? snapshot?
[11:49] <tristanmike> i'm using it...what's the problem?
[11:50] <nalioth> Cilindrador: the svn version is the absolute latest version
[11:50] <glick> Phazeman thats a regular user?
[11:50] <nalioth> Cilindrador: it is the version that is recommended
[11:50] <bojan> kubuntu doesnt seem to want to keep my display settings
[11:50] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Ever developed own themes? :)
[11:50] <Phazeman> glick: regular user yeah
[11:50] <tristanmike> oh, no, not that much, I wish
[11:50] <Phazeman> glick: that doesn't understand anything at all
[11:50] <bojan> every time i log off, it switches the resolution, and keeps that one when i log on again
[11:50] <tristanmike> pulsar84: but great for you man!
[11:50] <bojan> not the one i set up
[11:50] <glick> Phazeman im saying if hes just a regular user on the system he cant screw anything up
[11:50] <redguy> what does KDE use as a spellchecker?
[11:51] <redguy> aspell? ispell?
[11:51] <Phazeman> glick: i hope so :)
[11:51] <pulsar84> tristanmike: :/
[11:51] <glick> Phazeman put another ram simm in there for your father
[11:52] <glick> dont be cheap
[11:52] <Phazeman> glick: i don't have any.. its something antique that you cant even find in the local stores...
[11:52] <Phazeman> its 256MB... i think it's enough for firefox and xmms
[11:54] <glick> god im such a lazy tub of lard
[11:54] <glick> i havent done jack all day cept lie in bed
[11:54] <Armagguedes> (Cilindrador here; XP pc)
[11:54] <Armagguedes> where was that ubuntu guide in how to install the latest version of firefox and then linking things
[11:54] <Armagguedes> to make it work properly
[11:54] <Armagguedes> and all that
[11:55] <nalioth> !firefox15
[11:55] <ubotu> it has been said that firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[11:55] <tristanmike> pulsar84: are you finding it difficult to do ? aside from the current problem?
[11:55] <glick> anyone running kde 3.5 stead of 3.4?
[11:55] <glick> and is there a big diffrence?
[11:55] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Not really. Needed to learn some Python Basics and had to read quite much docs, but I got around it. :)
[11:56] <sledge> nalioth: turns out I forgot to add the universe and multiverse keywords to a source. sorry. :>
[11:56] <f8> what do i have to install to get all the control pannel options: control center....
[11:56] <nalioth> sledge: good to hear you are sorted
[11:57] <sledge> \o/
[11:57] <sledge> _o/
[12:01] <kwtm1> I have a problem: my printer is stopped.  I can't seem to restart it.  Under System Settings > Hardware > Pinters > that particular printer (in Administrator Mode), I can see that the printer is stopped.  But there's no button for starting it again.  I can't print!  Can someone help?
[12:01] <simian__> !virtual host
[12:01] <ubotu> simian__: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:01] <simian__> !virtualhost
[12:01] <ubotu> simian__: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/