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| mhz | guys, I know we have discussed about "alternative ways" to generate and work with XMLs | 12:38 |
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| mhz | Has any of you ever tried Texmacs | 12:39 |
| mhz | I know it is meant for scientific texts | 12:39 |
| mhz | BUT | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | for .xml ? | 12:39 |
| mhz | LaserJock: oh, well, IMHO, xml = docbook | 12:39 |
| mhz | :D | 12:39 |
| mhz | far from reality? | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | so what are you doing? | 12:40 |
| mhz | texmacs does allow to export to XML or Save As "Scheme" | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | well, so does openoffice ;-) | 12:41 |
| mhz | yeah, but I remember we dont use OOO for some reason | 12:41 |
| mhz | do same reasons apply to Texmacs? | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it depends on how "nice" or clean the XML is that it outputs | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if texmaker can output to XML too? | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | I do a far amount of latex but I usually use emacs or vim | 12:45 |
| mhz | well, as you know, I know just the theory of Latex and xml | 12:47 |
| mhz | so, I could hardly tell how clean the output is | 12:47 |
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| john_the_linux_n | Hey guys | 01:26 |
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| john_the_linux_n | Any ubuntu guys free for a couple of questions? | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | hi john_the_linux_n | 01:27 |
| john_the_linux_n | its supposed to read newbie | 01:28 |
| john_the_linux_n | I've been playing with this for a couple of days | 01:28 |
| rob | john_the_linux_n, try #ubuntu | 01:28 |
| rob | this isn't a help channel :) | 01:28 |
| john_the_linux_n | Oh sorry guys | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | np | 01:29 |
| Burgwork | why do so many people assume -doc is a help channel? | 01:52 |
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| rob | dunno | 01:53 |
| Burgwork | anyway, I am leaving work now | 01:53 |
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| `6og | is moving a wiki page an easy process or do i have to delete it then re add it? | 02:35 |
| Burgundavia | `6og: what page do you want to move? | 02:35 |
| Burgundavia | `6og: oh, and your nick is really really annoying to type | 02:36 |
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| Burgundavia | thanks | 02:36 |
| kgoetz | should be easier | 02:36 |
| Burgundavia | it was made worse by thefact that the ` is not labelled as such on my laptop, it being a physically a UK keyboard, but logically a US one | 02:37 |
| kgoetz | Burgundavia: i want to move this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqN1000C so it has "CompaqEvoN1000C" (it's currently missing the 'Evo') | 02:37 |
| kgoetz | heh. oh sorry. | 02:37 |
| Burgundavia | it is pretty easy | 02:38 |
| Burgundavia | first, click on the page title to see if there are any pages that refer to it | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | it so, find those links and fix them | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | then google the full page url "http://wiki.ubuntu...." | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | if you find any links out in the wild, leave a redirect behind with #REDIRECT NewPageName | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | but before you do that, to actually move a page, go the drop down menu on on the page and select "Move page" | 02:40 |
| kgoetz | i'll give it a shot, thanks. | 02:40 |
| kgoetz | wheres this drop down menu? | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | it is called "More Actions" | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | oh right, the realy obvious one :$ | 02:44 |
| kgoetz | that's got it, thanks Burgundavia | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | kgoetz: np | 02:49 |
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| Burgundavia | kgoetz: for future reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MovingWikiPages | 02:51 |
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| Burgundavia | I am very glad I splurged on a $225 CDN router. download speeds are great | 02:59 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 08:14 |
| na7e- | howdy | 08:15 |
| kgoetz | gday | 08:15 |
| robitaille | hi Madpilot | 08:15 |
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| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot, robitaille | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | what are you doing tomorrow night? | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | Saturday night? Nothing much at this point | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | shall you, I and clive have beer and food together? | 08:33 |
| Madpilot | I'll ask Clive if he'll be in; he's just gone to bed | 08:34 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm, wonder why the totem-plugin is in universe | 09:22 |
| robitaille | oh, that's why it is not available in Firefox by default like in Breezy. I was wondering about that | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | both xine and gstreamer plugins are in unvierse | 09:26 |
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| robitaille | personally I never had a good experience with that plugin in breezy; it was crashing on me more often than not | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | trailers.apple.com seems to be working perfectly with ffmpeg | 09:30 |
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| Madpilot | g'night all | 10:20 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: 31 March 2006, 2100UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Madpilot at Mon Mar 20 10:04:17 2006 | ||
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| LaserJock | are we having a wiki meeting | 09:50 |
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| crimsun | not afaict | 09:52 |
| crimsun | (nothing on fridge or in this channel's topic, at least) | 09:52 |
| crimsun | (unless you meant cookbook?) | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | well it was on the ML | 09:52 |
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| nalioth | is it meeting time? | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | is it? I haven't seen anybody else | 10:04 |
| nalioth | i got a msg in the ubuntu-doc mailing list for 2100 UTC today here | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I did too but I don't see Naaman | 10:05 |
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| LaserJock | hi duncan_nz | 10:08 |
| duncan_nz | (sorry I'm late) | 10:08 |
| duncan_nz | hi lazer | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | well we haven't started anything | 10:08 |
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| duncan_nz | but we're here to talk about the wiki right? | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | I'm always here ;-) | 10:10 |
| duncan_nz | oh, well I'll chill and wait to see if the other turn up, with europe changing from winter to summer time tonight - it was maybe a bad day to choose. | 10:10 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, so are we going to try it again? | 10:57 |
| nalioth | ompaul: what are you doing here? | 10:57 |
| ompaul | nalioth, i don't know beenhere for months | 11:06 |
| nalioth | i guess the meeting is a no-go at this time? | 11:10 |
| duncan_nz | oops, I'm here | 11:14 |
| duncan_nz | the window didn't start flashing... | 11:14 |
| duncan_nz | nalioth - still there? | 11:15 |
| nalioth | yes | 11:15 |
| nalioth | i was just pointing out that nobody has joined (except ompaul ) since you have | 11:16 |
| duncan_nz | oh, but you and I should talk i think :) | 11:16 |
| nalioth | alrighty then | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm here but I'm not much help | 11:17 |
| duncan_nz | well, are you : Naaman Campbell | 11:17 |
| duncan_nz | nalioth? | 11:18 |
| nalioth | no sir, i'm an unofficial ubuntu documentarian | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: Naaman is bustacap I think | 11:18 |
| duncan_nz | oh, he was the one who suggested this meeting... | 11:19 |
| duncan_nz | nalioth, I thought you were Naaman - he's the guy I need a word with. | 11:19 |
| duncan_nz | I'll ask anyway ... | 11:20 |
| duncan_nz | What do people suggest to make the wiki a more useful resource? (my opinion comes soon) | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | is there a way to have a rating system or something. I think the most difficult things about the wiki are 1) finding the pages you want 2) figuring out the quality (reliability) of the page | 11:22 |
| ompaul | one of the things that is very frustrating on the wiki has to be pages that tell the same story | 11:27 |
| nalioth | i was under the impression that the docteam had oversight for fallacious/incomplete/etc content | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | I don't know how defined the role of the docteam is with respect to the wiki | 11:29 |
| duncan_nz | that's why this meeting was called - so i thought. | 11:29 |
| nalioth | the docteam is supposed to have oversight | 11:29 |
| duncan_nz | noone else has care of the wiki, and it _is_ documentation | 11:29 |
| duncan_nz | I've made some proposals and keep getting shut down | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | the wiki team is just a group of active wiki contributors | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | the wiki is open to everybody | 11:30 |
| duncan_nz | ah, but laser, some people are running aound reverting peoples work. | 11:31 |
| duncan_nz | (that really pissed me off) | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: well, yes that can happen but I think that is what meetings, this channel, and the ML are fore | 11:31 |
| duncan_nz | anyone know why we use moinmoin - it's a bit lame compared to others like what wikimedia uses. | 11:31 |
| nalioth | yes, the wiki is open to everyone, but there must be oversight to keep "to fix your Xserver problems type 'malicious command goes here' | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: well, that has been a bit of a discussion | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: right now we are using moinmoin but we have disscussed using mediawiki in the past | 11:32 |
| duncan_nz | i think we seriously need more features. | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | well, I think that is a goal for sure | 11:33 |
| ompaul | is there a specific agenda for this? | 11:33 |
| ompaul | ohh | 11:33 |
| duncan_nz | i'm most frustrated by the lack of internal structure. | 11:33 |
| duncan_nz | so... | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | BetterWikiDocs is a spec on what the doc team would like to do with the wiki | 11:33 |
| ompaul | it is now 22:33 UTC | 11:33 |
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| duncan_nz | I suggested that a link to FrontPage be placed on every user homepage with a note about why. | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: what would that do exactly? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | just so users can get back to the FrontPage easily? | 11:36 |
| duncan_nz | I hope it would be a step in making people aware that there is a place that things should have a relationship to... | 11:37 |
| duncan_nz | At the moment people can create a page anywhere and it can so easily get lost becasue people don't know where it should be in some hierarchy. | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | would better use of subpages help? | 11:38 |
| duncan_nz | I think that would also help, but not much the way it is now - it'd need to be more like wikinooks. | 11:39 |
| duncan_nz | (wikibooks) | 11:39 |
| duncan_nz | (duncan is reading BetterWikiDocs) | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it would be nice to find an example of what you would like to see | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | I just don't have enough experience with wikis to know what you can do | 11:40 |
| duncan_nz | have a look at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction | 11:41 |
| duncan_nz | ... yes I've written a lot of it ... you'll notice when you click around that it's easy to get back up the hierarchy. | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that seems nice | 11:42 |
| duncan_nz | if we want people to find help , then structure structure and predictability are key. | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | I think if we did something like that in combination with moving the doc wiki pages it would make things much cleaner | 11:43 |
| duncan_nz | also I think people need to move towards a standard wiki markup - and wikimedia will probably be the standard. | 11:45 |
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| LaserJock | ahh hi Burgundavia | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: we are discussing the wiki | 11:45 |
| duncan_nz | Have you seen the php.net online manual? Take a look: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php | 11:46 |
| duncan_nz | There they have a synced copy of the docs _and_ spave for comments below... | 11:47 |
| duncan_nz | I would like to see the same thing with synced docs from each release, and wiki editing space below. | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: ok | 11:48 |
| duncan_nz | That way comments can evolve below each page and be included in the docs as the doc writers see fit. | 11:48 |
| duncan_nz | So, if someone thinks a new seciton 'skinning ells' should be added to the 'how not to burn toast' section they just add the link in the wiki and write the new page. | 11:49 |
| duncan_nz | This also serves the purpose of keeping the 'official' and 'community' docs clearly seperate - without divorcing them. | 11:50 |
| duncan_nz | ...am I rambling? | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | no | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | I think these issues are things we have been thinking about | 11:51 |
| duncan_nz | yes, I just gopt down to the 'Hosting of html documentation on the new wiki' section. | 11:52 |
| duncan_nz | actually no, that looks like it's just trying to solve html issues. | 11:53 |
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| LaserJock | well, so far the spec hasn't been approved so we are still trying to work on it | 11:55 |
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| duncan_nz | Burgundavia: I just noticed you are a WikiTeam admin. Can you add me to that team please? | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: I think the main thing is that people can more or less do whatever they want with the wiki so sometimes problems happen | 11:59 |
| duncan_nz | Laser: surely you don't type 'duncan_nz' each time do you? I can't work out how to get your nick to come up when I'm replying to you. | 12:00 |
| Madpilot | duncan_nz, have you proposed yourself for the team? | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: <tab> ;-) | 12:00 |
| nalioth | duncan_nz: the <tab> key is great | 12:01 |
| duncan_nz | according to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/wikiteam/ I have to ask an admin. | 12:01 |
| duncan_nz | TAB don't do it here? Just pressing tab? How does it know who I'm replying to? | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: the LP page says you have to be approved not that you have to ask first | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | duncan_nz: go ahead and join and then you can be approved | 12:02 |
| duncan_nz | so i have to ask before i can be approved right! sooo - tell me who to ask. | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | no | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | you join the team in LP | 12:03 |
| nalioth | duncan_nz: type las<TAB> | 12:03 |
| duncan_nz | nalioth: aha! | 12:03 |
| nalioth | duncan_nz: or nal<tab> | 12:03 |
| duncan_nz | nalioth: cool! | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | and then the team owner/administrator will approve you | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia | duncan_nz: can you propose yourself? | 12:03 |
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