=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] guys, I know we have discussed about "alternative ways" to generate and work with XMLs [12:39] Has any of you ever tried Texmacs [12:39] I know it is meant for scientific texts [12:39] BUT [12:39] for .xml ? [12:39] LaserJock: oh, well, IMHO, xml = docbook [12:39] :D [12:40] far from reality? [12:40] so what are you doing? [12:40] texmacs does allow to export to XML or Save As "Scheme" [12:41] well, so does openoffice ;-) [12:41] yeah, but I remember we dont use OOO for some reason [12:41] do same reasons apply to Texmacs? [12:42] well, I think it depends on how "nice" or clean the XML is that it outputs [12:44] I wonder if texmaker can output to XML too? [12:45] I do a far amount of latex but I usually use emacs or vim [12:47] well, as you know, I know just the theory of Latex and xml [12:47] so, I could hardly tell how clean the output is === john_the_linux_n [n=John_the@pool-71-98-92-60.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:26] Hey guys === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:27] Any ubuntu guys free for a couple of questions? [01:27] hi john_the_linux_n [01:28] its supposed to read newbie [01:28] I've been playing with this for a couple of days [01:28] john_the_linux_n, try #ubuntu [01:28] this isn't a help channel :) [01:29] Oh sorry guys [01:29] np [01:52] why do so many people assume -doc is a help channel? === Burgwork is baffled [01:53] dunno [01:53] anyway, I am leaving work now === `6og [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:35] <`6og> is moving a wiki page an easy process or do i have to delete it then re add it? [02:35] `6og: what page do you want to move? [02:36] `6og: oh, and your nick is really really annoying to type === `6og is now known as kgoetz [02:36] thanks [02:36] should be easier [02:37] it was made worse by thefact that the ` is not labelled as such on my laptop, it being a physically a UK keyboard, but logically a US one [02:37] Burgundavia: i want to move this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqN1000C so it has "CompaqEvoN1000C" (it's currently missing the 'Evo') [02:37] heh. oh sorry. [02:38] it is pretty easy [02:39] first, click on the page title to see if there are any pages that refer to it [02:39] it so, find those links and fix them [02:39] then google the full page url "http://wiki.ubuntu...." [02:39] if you find any links out in the wild, leave a redirect behind with #REDIRECT NewPageName [02:40] but before you do that, to actually move a page, go the drop down menu on on the page and select "Move page" [02:40] i'll give it a shot, thanks. [02:43] wheres this drop down menu? [02:43] it is called "More Actions" [02:44] oh right, the realy obvious one :$ [02:49] that's got it, thanks Burgundavia [02:49] kgoetz: np === Burgundavia grumbles about implicit linking [02:51] kgoetz: for future reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MovingWikiPages === kgoetz visitis [02:59] I am very glad I splurged on a $225 CDN router. download speeds are great === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as1533.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === na7e- [n=na7e@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:14] hi all [08:15] howdy [08:15] gday [08:15] hi Madpilot === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:29] salut Madpilot, robitaille [08:29] hi Burgundavia [08:29] what are you doing tomorrow night? [08:32] Saturday night? Nothing much at this point [08:33] shall you, I and clive have beer and food together? [08:34] I'll ask Clive if he'll be in; he's just gone to bed === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dean_ [n=dean@host86-129-15-80.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === na7e- [n=na7e@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dean_ is now known as dsas === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:22] hmm, wonder why the totem-plugin is in universe [09:24] oh, that's why it is not available in Firefox by default like in Breezy. I was wondering about that [09:26] both xine and gstreamer plugins are in unvierse === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:28] personally I never had a good experience with that plugin in breezy; it was crashing on me more often than not [09:30] trailers.apple.com seems to be working perfectly with ffmpeg === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz is now known as Kaiser_Away [10:20] g'night all === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-233.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Kaiser_Away is now known as kgoetz === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: 31 March 2006, 2100UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Madpilot at Mon Mar 20 10:04:17 2006 === kgoetz is now known as Kaiser_Sleeps === lakin_ [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-209.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:50] are we having a wiki meeting === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:52] not afaict [09:52] (nothing on fridge or in this channel's topic, at least) [09:52] (unless you meant cookbook?) [09:52] well it was on the ML === nalioth [n=nalioth@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:02] is it meeting time? [10:04] is it? I haven't seen anybody else [10:04] i got a msg in the ubuntu-doc mailing list for 2100 UTC today here [10:05] yeah, I did too but I don't see Naaman === duncan_nz [n=duncan@56342AB5.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] hi duncan_nz [10:08] (sorry I'm late) [10:08] hi lazer [10:08] well we haven't started anything === nalioth has been raiding the fridge [10:09] but we're here to talk about the wiki right? [10:10] I'm always here ;-) [10:10] oh, well I'll chill and wait to see if the other turn up, with europe changing from winter to summer time tonight - it was maybe a bad day to choose. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:57] hmm, so are we going to try it again? [10:57] ompaul: what are you doing here? [11:06] nalioth, i don't know beenhere for months [11:10] i guess the meeting is a no-go at this time? [11:14] oops, I'm here [11:14] the window didn't start flashing... [11:15] nalioth - still there? [11:15] yes [11:16] i was just pointing out that nobody has joined (except ompaul ) since you have [11:16] oh, but you and I should talk i think :) [11:17] alrighty then [11:17] I'm here but I'm not much help [11:17] well, are you : Naaman Campbell [11:18] nalioth? [11:18] no sir, i'm an unofficial ubuntu documentarian [11:18] duncan_nz: Naaman is bustacap I think [11:19] oh, he was the one who suggested this meeting... [11:19] nalioth, I thought you were Naaman - he's the guy I need a word with. [11:20] I'll ask anyway ... [11:20] What do people suggest to make the wiki a more useful resource? (my opinion comes soon) [11:22] is there a way to have a rating system or something. I think the most difficult things about the wiki are 1) finding the pages you want 2) figuring out the quality (reliability) of the page [11:27] one of the things that is very frustrating on the wiki has to be pages that tell the same story [11:28] i was under the impression that the docteam had oversight for fallacious/incomplete/etc content [11:29] I don't know how defined the role of the docteam is with respect to the wiki [11:29] that's why this meeting was called - so i thought. [11:29] the docteam is supposed to have oversight [11:29] noone else has care of the wiki, and it _is_ documentation [11:30] I've made some proposals and keep getting shut down [11:30] the wiki team is just a group of active wiki contributors [11:30] the wiki is open to everybody [11:31] ah, but laser, some people are running aound reverting peoples work. [11:31] (that really pissed me off) [11:31] duncan_nz: well, yes that can happen but I think that is what meetings, this channel, and the ML are fore [11:31] anyone know why we use moinmoin - it's a bit lame compared to others like what wikimedia uses. [11:32] yes, the wiki is open to everyone, but there must be oversight to keep "to fix your Xserver problems type 'malicious command goes here' [11:32] duncan_nz: well, that has been a bit of a discussion [11:32] duncan_nz: right now we are using moinmoin but we have disscussed using mediawiki in the past [11:32] i think we seriously need more features. [11:33] well, I think that is a goal for sure [11:33] is there a specific agenda for this? [11:33] ohh [11:33] i'm most frustrated by the lack of internal structure. [11:33] so... [11:33] BetterWikiDocs is a spec on what the doc team would like to do with the wiki [11:33] it is now 22:33 UTC === nalioth pours a case of nuac mham on ompaul. No agenda [11:33] I suggested that a link to FrontPage be placed on every user homepage with a note about why. [11:36] duncan_nz: what would that do exactly? [11:36] just so users can get back to the FrontPage easily? [11:37] I hope it would be a step in making people aware that there is a place that things should have a relationship to... [11:37] At the moment people can create a page anywhere and it can so easily get lost becasue people don't know where it should be in some hierarchy. [11:38] would better use of subpages help? [11:39] I think that would also help, but not much the way it is now - it'd need to be more like wikinooks. [11:39] (wikibooks) [11:39] (duncan is reading BetterWikiDocs) [11:40] yeah, it would be nice to find an example of what you would like to see [11:40] I just don't have enough experience with wikis to know what you can do [11:41] have a look at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction [11:41] ... yes I've written a lot of it ... you'll notice when you click around that it's easy to get back up the hierarchy. [11:42] yeah, that seems nice [11:43] if we want people to find help , then structure structure and predictability are key. [11:43] I think if we did something like that in combination with moving the doc wiki pages it would make things much cleaner [11:45] also I think people need to move towards a standard wiki markup - and wikimedia will probably be the standard. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:45] ahh hi Burgundavia [11:45] Burgundavia: we are discussing the wiki [11:46] Have you seen the php.net online manual? Take a look: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php [11:47] There they have a synced copy of the docs _and_ spave for comments below... [11:47] I would like to see the same thing with synced docs from each release, and wiki editing space below. [11:48] yeah [11:48] LaserJock: ok [11:48] That way comments can evolve below each page and be included in the docs as the doc writers see fit. [11:49] So, if someone thinks a new seciton 'skinning ells' should be added to the 'how not to burn toast' section they just add the link in the wiki and write the new page. [11:50] This also serves the purpose of keeping the 'official' and 'community' docs clearly seperate - without divorcing them. [11:50] ...am I rambling? [11:50] no [11:51] I think these issues are things we have been thinking about [11:52] yes, I just gopt down to the 'Hosting of html documentation on the new wiki' section. [11:53] actually no, that looks like it's just trying to solve html issues. === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] well, so far the spec hasn't been approved so we are still trying to work on it === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:59] Burgundavia: I just noticed you are a WikiTeam admin. Can you add me to that team please? [11:59] duncan_nz: I think the main thing is that people can more or less do whatever they want with the wiki so sometimes problems happen [12:00] Laser: surely you don't type 'duncan_nz' each time do you? I can't work out how to get your nick to come up when I'm replying to you. [12:00] duncan_nz, have you proposed yourself for the team? [12:00] duncan_nz: ;-) [12:01] duncan_nz: the key is great [12:01] according to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/wikiteam/ I have to ask an admin. [12:02] TAB don't do it here? Just pressing tab? How does it know who I'm replying to? [12:02] duncan_nz: the LP page says you have to be approved not that you have to ask first [12:02] duncan_nz: go ahead and join and then you can be approved [12:03] so i have to ask before i can be approved right! sooo - tell me who to ask. [12:03] no [12:03] you join the team in LP [12:03] duncan_nz: type las [12:03] nalioth: aha! [12:03] duncan_nz: or nal [12:03] nalioth: cool! [12:03] and then the team owner/administrator will approve you [12:03] duncan_nz: can you propose yourself?