[12:17] whiprush: stars source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [12:17] whiprush: stars source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.12+1-2 [12:17] hmm, how should I fix this? [12:17] whiprush, sorry W: got expanded to your username === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] i believe you can ignore those [12:20] but lintian -v might tell more [12:20] zyga: nmu warnings don't apply to Ubuntu, they are for Debian [12:21] okay [12:21] It's Lintian being brain-dead. [12:21] As per usual. [12:21] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/stars/+bug/36451 [12:21] Malone bug 36451 in stars "stars - No .desktop file installed" [Minor,Confirmed] [12:21] I hope I did this right [12:21] somebody (I can't remember who at the moment) was going to perhaps hack up an Ubuntuized lintian to get rid of that stuff and add some checks for ubuntu specific things [12:23] zyga: I'm not sure about bumping the Standards-Version even though I know lintian complains about it [12:23] StevenK: hey, linda in dapper still complains about "no suitable .mo file" for everything ;-) [12:24] I haven't seen linda complain about much of anything other that that :( [12:24] zyga: don't user version number 0.12+1-2, use 0.12+1-1ubuntu1 instead [12:25] doh, I didn't catch that [12:25] LaserJock: i've got a debdiff that disables lintian nmu checks if y'ou don't specify -D or --debian on the commandline [12:25] minghua: Paul Sladen did that upload. [12:25] zyga: and you should set the distribution to dapper instead of unstable (use dch -D dapper) [12:25] minghua: If I had any hope, I'd ask for Linda 0.3.20 to be thrown into dapper. [12:26] thanks [12:26] StevenK: yes, he tried to fix that, 0.3.17 complains the same thing [12:26] StevenK: but I know you are busy [12:26] I don't really know what linda does that lintian doesn't? [12:27] how come debuild cannot find my private key? [12:27] - Install .mo files under linda.root instead of under locales. This [12:27] mainly fixes Linda breaking when localepurge is run. (Closes: #354764) [12:28] zyga: and if you bump standard version, mention it in the changelog (I personally won't touch standard version) [12:28] okay === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] http://librarian.launchpad.net/1834977/my.debdiff [12:33] better patch [12:34] LaserJock: bug 36505 with a debdiff to get rid of nmu checks [12:34] Malone bug 36505 in lintian "Ubuntu Lintian shouldn't do the nmu checks" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36505 [12:34] well i can't sleep :) [12:36] Toadstool: cool [12:36] well, not the "can't sleep" part [12:36] ;) [12:37] what kind "ubuntu specific things" are there for lintian ? [12:37] could somebody please look if my patch is fine? I'd like to take a look at another package [12:37] wow I can't sleep but I can't write english too tonight... [12:37] checking for "dapper" for instance or maybe ubuntu versioning [12:38] well, I think I can give it a try [12:47] that'll take a little more time than disabling nmu check :) [12:48] okay I'm looking after another package - no point to wait [12:50] zyga: do you know how validate .desktop files? [12:51] LaserJock: no but I know their syntax pretty well, I patched/rewrote pyxdg with regards to .desktop files [12:51] I probably should have included version marker, right? [12:52] I'm not very knowledgable so I use "desktop-file-validate" [12:53] I'll check it out [12:53] no bugs thus far [12:53] nice, I didn't know of this tool [12:54] it's handy [12:54] i once ran it over every .desktop on my HD to report bugs [12:54] but when i realized i'd have to figured out what package provides what and file seperate bugs for each one i gave up [12:55] hm [12:55] Amaranth: wouldn't dpkg -S do that? [12:55] i suppose with dpkg -S and launchpad's mail interface you could automate it [12:55] dpkg -S and apt-cache showsrc should give you the source package name you need [12:57] oh a package uses dpach === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] the great and wond'rous bddebian. === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] guys, what is an .applications file? [01:02] Hi crimsun. Do you like making me feel bad? :-) [01:02] hi all! [01:02] zyga: Some type of gnome application definition? [01:02] hmm [01:06] ANyone know if there would be any issues with me building a package for Debian on Ubuntu? [01:07] hmm, might be [01:07] c++ abi? [01:07] Ah yes..Hmm [01:08] unstable and dapper have the same C++ ABI AFAIK [01:09] would you guys please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2182 ? :-) [01:09] python version and X file layout seem to be the most wide spread issue now [01:09] Well fudge.. My Debian box is dead :-( [01:09] minghua: python 2.3 in debian!? [01:11] what's sid default python version? 2.4? [01:11] bddebian: you know I'm just joshin' [01:11] yves: still 2.3 afaik [01:11] strange [01:11] argh [01:11] 2.4 has lovely features [01:12] crimsun: No, you hate me :-) [01:12] some people say ubuntu developers are not being very "quick" when sending improvements back to debian [01:12] bddebian: I build packages from sid in my dapper pbuilder constantly. I mostly have to adjust python and debhelper versioned build-deps [01:18] hi [01:18] Heya ajmitch [01:18] hi ajmitch bddebian crimsun and nictuku [01:18] bddebian: use a sid chroot [01:18] Hi LaserJock [01:18] hello LaserJock [01:18] two packages down lots more to go :-) [01:19] 'lo LaserJock === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] LaserJock: about the lintian-checking-for-"dapper" thing dholbach already implemented it [01:24] Toadstool: cool [01:27] and another bug bites the dust ;-) [01:28] :) [01:29] It is much faster when you get to reject bugs :-) [01:29] Go LaserJock, go! :-) [01:31] well, MOTU Science still has a little under 100 bugs assigned or subscribed :( [01:32] although about half of them are .desktop bugs ;-) [01:35] umm, do we have a m68k arch? [01:35] (no) [01:35] no, thankfully [01:35] and don't tempt infinity to start one [01:36] I love when people describe themselves as "unix gurus" [01:36] heh [01:37] ok, so malone 25232 [01:37] Malone bug 25232 in mpfr "mpfr_2.2.0.dfsg.1-2_m68k: FTBFS: 2 of 117 tests failed" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/25232 [01:38] imported from debian? [01:38] the Debian bug has been closed and the present Ubuntu package builds on all our archs [01:38] get rid of it [01:38] should I close both tasks? [01:38] yes [01:38] and another one bites the dust ;-) [01:38] reject the ubuntu one, since we don't have m68k [01:39] LaserJock: pfft === ajmitch found a few imported debian bugs like that [01:39] i'm down to 0 pyxdg bugs and (at most) 1 alacarte bug that i'm worrying about for dapper [01:39] :) [01:39] Amaranth: good, start fixing other bugs [01:39] ajmitch: I moved on to working on alacarte 0.9 [01:40] Do most of you guys fix these bugs after you get off work? [01:40] it's hopefully going to use gmenu instead of pyxdg, so far it shows all the same stuff (but doesn't do anything) [01:40] truz24: I'm after work ;] [01:40] and it starts up in less than a second [01:40] which is a huge win [01:40] well, work never really lets up here [01:40] but I don't fix many bugs... hardly ever actually [01:42] i go to school and work on websites for the school's intranet, i do all this stuff after that [01:44] so are most of the bugs configuration or coding bugs that we are fixing here? [01:45] some of both === bddebian isn't fixing anything :-( [01:48] has anyone noticed the flash plugin for firefox doesn't show some text. Has anyone been able to determine if its a macromedia bug, or a font issue in ubuntu? [01:50] I read somewhere that that could be fixed by installing some win fonts [01:50] but I have never actually found a fix for it [01:50] which gsfonts\* are installed? [01:51] stock fonts are installed [01:51] from the drapper install [01:51] bddebian: instead of complaining about not fixing anything, just do it :) [01:51] so...just don't fix anything? ;) [01:52] haha [01:52] ajmitch: I can't fix anything :-) [01:52] crimsun: I believe you misinterpreted [01:52] bddebian: oh shut up :P [01:52] ajmitch: oh I did purposely =) [01:53] one thing many people have trouble with is figuring out where to start on fixing things [01:53] mmm bug triaging == good start [01:53] myself being one such person [01:53] I rebuilt all those unmet deps packages last night, now I just have to sort out which were fixed by a simple rebuild [01:54] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pymol/+bug/36435 [01:54] switching MTA around is not fun :-( [01:54] Malone bug 36435 in pymol "pymol - No .desktop file installed" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [01:54] another one down? :) === ajmitch uploads the (moderately useless) apt-rpm [01:55] ajmitch: :-) [01:55] bug #5343 [01:55] Malone bug 5343 in lirc "can`t build lirc-modules-source with kernel 2.6.15" [Major,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/5343 [01:55] truz24, softwarecommie: yes, I've heard the same thing. the MS core fonts has a (installer) package [01:56] So I assume this fonts package cannot be installed by default legally? [01:56] you can install it legally, you just can't package it legally [01:57] k [01:57] fsck, an OOo upgrade, I hate those :-( [01:58] bddebian: I remember posting a request for oo-less ubuntu-desktop metapackage ;] [01:58] OOo upgrades are not as painful as unsuccessful fsck's though === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] perhaps the Win fonts should be included in default setup [02:00] because inability to see text in Flash is pretty common [02:00] and awefully annoying [02:00] inability to install flash is even more annoying [02:01] aye [02:04] guys [02:04] 0.5.1-2 -> ubuntunized -> 0.5.1.2ubuntu1 right? [02:05] 0.5.1-2ubuntu1 [02:05] is this a sync or a Ubuntu modification? [02:05] ubuntu modification to improve desktop file [02:06] right, 0.5.1-2ubuntu1 then === tdjb [n=tdjb@216.222.48.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-192-76-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tdjb_ [i=tdjb@216.222.48.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457afde7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] hi [04:28] StevenK: want to jump on someone for me? :P [04:28] I'll apply to be a ubuntu member in the next CC and I need a good "peer review" === Hobbsee growls menacingly [04:29] if any of you guys know me enough, and know my work for nwu, could you please write a very small testimonial about what you think, in my wiki profile? === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] actually it's preferable to link to your work on revu [04:31] that really will be more effective than static testimonials [04:31] nice [04:46] hmm, very strange. I just had that same extreme slowdown behaviour, but this time it didn't last nearly as long... I was receiving new mail in Evolution at the time. I tried logging into a virtual console, no go. I switched back to X after a bit, and waited a bit, and the usage is back down to 0%. [04:46] and now, I see spamd listed as a Zombie process in gnome system monitor... [04:49] and my memory + swap usage is still at 100%, with Evolution leading the pack [04:54] crap, I still need to look at that defaults.{pcm,ctl}.card issue [04:55] I wonder if this is a bug in evolution, evolution-data-server, or spamassain or something else.. it points to one of those three though.. 1GB of RAM and 500MB of swap should not be in use entirely by those 3 apps [04:57] sheesh, this machine only has 512 MB of RAM, and it hits swap pretty consistently with my workload [04:58] three times that in use by evolution is just insanity though [05:07] how can I send a patch to #26601? [05:07] it's a oneliner [05:07] Ubugtu, bug #26601 ? [05:07] Malone bug 26601 in bittornado bittornado-gui "btdownloadgui crashes on startup" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/26601 [05:08] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bittornado/+bug/26601/+addattachment [05:08] Malone bug 26601 in bittornado bittornado-gui "btdownloadgui crashes on startup" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [05:09] thanks [05:09] crimsun: I disabled swap on here, currently got about 50% RAM in use by apps, the rest buffer+cache [05:11] I wrote a comment to the bug but it didn't appear, is that expected? [05:11] no [05:12] worked now [05:14] 0.3.13-1ubuntu1 +1 = 0.3.13-1ubuntu2 or 0.3.13-2ubuntu1 ? [05:16] the former [05:16] nictuku: the former [05:17] any wiki page with ubuntu way's for a changelog? I've seen there's a new changelog proposal being discussed, but how should the changelog look right now? [05:19] nictuku: dch -i is your friend (although it makes mistake sometimes) :-) [05:20] ok, but should I use "(Closes: #1)" or just say "bittornado-gui depending on old version of bittornado" ? [05:22] closes malone #12345 [05:22] Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 [05:22] i think [05:23] seems so [05:23] http://no-name-yet.com/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.0.0-0ubuntu17/changelog [05:24] actually "Closes: malone #number" [05:25] ah [05:25] that's right === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] I think the close-bug format in changelog is still not decided yet [05:29] and before it's decided I suppose any one is as good as another [05:29] I thought soo, too [05:43] fix done. Now I dput it? [05:44] or attach a patch to the bug? [05:50] I'll send it to revu. I hope I'm not commiting a crime =] [05:57] a problem with ubuntu package version numbers is that they are usually too long for you to see in the aptitude ncurses UI :-( [05:58] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2184 [05:59] oops [05:59] bittornado is nnow main [05:59] nictuku erase CVS dirs [06:00] it was in the package already.. I didn't want to mess with it too much [06:00] http://sauerbraten.org/ <- this would be a nice game to have :) [06:00] nictuku remove it anyway [06:01] ok [06:01] lets try the game... [06:02] I wouldn't remove the CVS dirs if it's in .orig.tar.gz [06:02] hmm good point [06:02] why not? [06:03] the package already "removes" them [06:03] dpkg -c bittornado-gui_0.3.13-1ubuntu2_all.deb ... shows no CVS [06:04] good [06:04] Se7h: because it changes the .orig.tar.gz, which means you need to pick up new upstream version number === monzie [n=manish@220.226.11.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] Se7h: and not to mention unnecessary diverge from Debian (I assume bittornado is in Debian) [06:05] hi hard-working motu's [06:06] hi monzie ! [06:06] minghua, it is [06:06] hi nictuku === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] hi monzie [06:13] Gnight folks [06:14] cya bddebian [06:14] night bddebian [06:14] and hi LarstiQ [06:14] oops, hi LaserJock [06:16] lol, hi minghua === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] morning [06:18] g'evenin' [06:21] minghua: I noticed 2 people unsubscribed from ubuntu-science after the .desktop blitz [06:21] LaserJock: good for them, perhaps :-) [06:22] lol [06:25] hi LaserJock === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] crimsun: i'm getting sick of damn morons in #ubuntu and #kubuntu using the exploit, cos one guy got banned by accident for it === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] yeah, it's a bit more...automated in #ubuntu ;) [06:34] yes, even for legitimate cases [06:34] unfortunately [06:36] btw [06:36] exploit? [06:36] will xgl be a default for some future version ? [06:36] how good is xgl? anyone here who uses it? [06:37] i havent tested it myself, but i know loads of people using it === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] Hobbsee: what exploit? [06:38] Hobbsee: the dcc one? [06:38] LaserJock: *rolls eyes* - were you not here a few weeks ago? [06:38] yes === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua is back [06:43] welcome back [06:44] wb minghua === monzie [n=manish@220.226.11.133] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] nice crash... === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] minghua: bummer [07:13] LaserJock: yeah, morale of story: don't use a KDE input method daemon in GNOME :-) [07:15] minghua: lol, I don't have to worry about that === Se7h [n=MUAHAHAH@81.193.81.202] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] omg [07:23] this is just a beauty [07:23] (xgl) [07:24] LaserJock: ping [07:25] Unfrgiven: pong! [07:25] Unfrgiven: hi! [07:25] LaserJock: how r u? [07:25] not that good to play tho [07:25] Unfrgiven: good, pretty busy [07:26] LaserJock: ive just done a bigish change to the Getting Started section of the packaging guide [07:26] LaserJock: wanted to get you to have a look.... [07:26] LaserJock: just doing an svn update now... will need to resolve merges first === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === na7e- [n=na7e@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] crimsun: are you always in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 answering questions? [08:25] minghua: essentially. === minghua admires crimsun :-) [08:27] me too. I try but it just gives me a headache. I can't track conversations in there very well :( [08:27] plust I'm not nearly as helpful as crimsun [08:28] don't worry, it's not a feat, more like a crutch ;) [08:30] seems like crimsun just pops out of nowhere with an end-all answer all the time [08:31] i likey === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] Night all [08:40] 'night, Kyral [08:40] mmm...back to GNOME goodness [08:40] yeah, I gotta get to bed too [08:40] cya all [08:41] Though tomorrow I compile Gaim 2.0 lol [08:41] 'night, LaserJock === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === na7e- [n=na7e@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] morning [10:06] crimsun: around? [10:06] morning siretart [10:07] hey ajmitch [10:07] how are you? [10:08] good, how are you? [10:09] finally passed my last exam, now I can finally catch up my ubuntu and other work :) [10:09] great! === ajmitch is just starting to get back into it now :) [10:09] :) [10:09] just fixing up another python2.3 -> 2.4 that we got from debian [10:10] 'morning here [10:11] and I should really get working on main as well [10:15] wow, my karma crashed back down :) === ajmitch finds another to upload === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] hi raphink [10:30] hi ajmitch :) [10:34] how are you today ajmitch? === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] good :) === ajmitch is just downstairs in the kitchen cooking dinner ;) [10:37] hehe === raphink is taking breakfast [10:37] ;) [10:37] laptops are very useful [10:38] indeeed [10:38] till you put some tomato sauce on them and they're not useful anymore ;) [10:39] haha [10:41] unmet deps list is thankfully quite short compared to what I've seen in the past :) [10:42] only ~120 or so source packages [10:46] hehe [10:52] ajmitch: Wanna hand? [10:52] StevenK: go ahead ;) [10:53] Where be the list? === ajmitch has uploaded 3, rebuilding quantlib now [10:53] apt-cache -i unmet [10:53] I need a faster box === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] wb raphink [10:54] StevenK: either that or work through the 10K open bugs on malone [10:54] thanks :) [10:54] suspend works again on my ppc :D [10:55] StevenK: I just wanted to go for the really low-hanging fruit - those packages where a simple rebuild will fix them === StevenK nods. [10:55] so I rebuilt the list of unmet deps on my box last night [10:56] ajmitch: The ones where you can do five to seven in an hour, and feel good about helping. [10:56] yeah [10:56] I've done 4 now :) [10:56] it's an easy way for me to get back into MOTU work [10:56] before I start on the depressing bugs ;) [10:57] Heh === StevenK wonders if he has any hope of getting Linda 0.3.20 into Dapper. [10:58] sure [10:58] just pay dholbach, siretart & slomo_ enough cash [10:58] All three? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] yeah [10:58] morning all :) === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] so just send 1 cheque to germany & get someone to split it 3 ways :) [10:59] Hah [10:59] hi Tonio_ [10:59] hi Tonio_ [10:59] hi ajmitch, Gloubiboulga [10:59] StevenK: ajmitch: linda is in main, so you need to bug mdz/Kamion [10:59] need to get knetworkmanager in main ;) I'm working on the package [10:59] siretart: ah, I didn't realise [11:00] StevenK: see, nothing to send to germany now :) [11:01] siretart: any idea what is the process to get a NEW package submitted for main directly ? [11:01] siretart: does it need to go in revu first ? [11:01] ajmitch: Just the UK and US. :-) [11:01] Tonio_: first, get it into universe, and make sure it gets tested and reasonably bug free and supportable for main [11:02] Tonio_: then write an MainInclusionReport and bug pitti to review it [11:02] Tonio_: but since we are that late in the release cycle, don't get disappointed if it doesn't make it for dapper [11:03] siretart: I know chances are little, but as networkmanager 0.6.1 is now in main, and since knetworkmanager can be considered as part of the global work we've done on that.... [11:03] chances are a bit better maybe ;) [11:04] siretart: what's the process for getting into universe? mdz hasn't been spotted online so I haven't clarified feature freeze & universe with him [11:04] Tonio_: in kubuntu, I heard that things are a bit different. convince riddel about that package, and he will talk to Kamion and pitti [11:04] ajmitch: he said somewhere that he has no objections to new packages in universe. but new packages requiring new dependencies are a nogo [11:04] siretart: yes, we have a little issue because networkmanager brings some gtk deps [11:05] siretart: and it is not the purpose of kubuntu to be by default linked to gtk in some way [11:05] siretart: and that's what we have to clarify, since it's different to what was agreed on [11:05] siretart: but lots of people have reported knetworkmanager is working great :) [11:05] Tonio_: you'll need to talk to riddel. but the first step is to bring it to universe anyway :) [11:06] sigh, *yet more* f-spot bugs [11:06] siretart: will do, thanks for those infos ;) [11:09] ajmitch: Duh. [11:09] Mono seems to attract them. [11:12] :P [11:13] sigh [11:13] quantlib is taking its sweet time to build.. [11:13] Yes. Sigh. [11:14] The usbhid bug I thought was easily reproducible, isn't so. [11:14] how annoying === StevenK runs pl-dapper === ajmitch can at least do parallel builds at decent speed with this dual-core cpu :) [11:15] Building on this machine is at little painful until it gets more RAM. [11:15] At least it doesn't ICE gcc. [11:16] how much RAM? [11:16] ouch, f-spot bugs have doubled in the last couple of days [11:16] time to clear out duplicates again [11:17] 512, at the moment. [11:17] Which is too little for an amd64 [11:17] (As I've discovered) [11:18] yeah [11:19] I put 4GB in mine [11:19] even the P-M laptop has 1GB === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] hi siretart, hows it going === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] huhu kelmo [11:23] kelmo: thanks, fine [11:24] i trust your exam went well [11:24] kelmo: I just wanted to mail pkg-wpa-devel, but if you are right here, thats even better :) [11:24] yes, the exam was way better than expected. :) === StevenK couldn't afford any more RAM for his machine. [11:24] i am also thinking of wpa development right now ; ) [11:24]