| mornfall | Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-cache-relead-fix.patch -- when you get around to it... it was a fairly stupid thing, i completely forgot about cache reload issues | 12:22 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: (and sorry it took this long, had to do other things) | 12:22 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: if you don't have anything better to do, you could maybe test the fix? :] | 12:25 |
| mornfall | when is next flight, btw? | 12:25 |
| mornfall | and me, now... | 12:29 |
| mornfall | i guess i'll put myself to bed | 12:29 |
| Riddell | mornfall: thanks, will upload | 12:31 |
| Riddell | mornfall: next flight expected mid-week | 12:31 |
| mornfall | thanks, goodnight | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: testing :) | 12:56 |
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| Riddell | hello reconciliation | 01:22 |
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| raphink | Riddell: ping | 01:46 |
| raphink | mornfall: ping | 01:47 |
| raphink | Tonio_: ping | 01:53 |
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| jeroenvrp | hi folks | 03:01 |
| jeroenvrp | just a short question | 03:01 |
| jeroenvrp | cause i'm confused | 03:01 |
| jeroenvrp | will dapper be released in april (6.04) or june (6.06)?? | 03:01 |
| crimsun | the latter | 03:02 |
| jeroenvrp | oooh | 03:03 |
| jeroenvrp | crimsun: why is that?? | 03:03 |
| jeroenvrp | is there a page discribing this? | 03:04 |
| raphink | it is so because it has been decided so | 03:05 |
| raphink | some time ago | 03:05 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: yes I understand, but why? | 03:05 |
| raphink | two meetings were held with the community | 03:05 |
| raphink | that got to an agreement on pushing it 6 weeks forward | 03:06 |
| raphink | for many reasons | 03:06 |
| raphink | :) | 03:06 |
| raphink | polishing, tracking bugs is one | 03:06 |
| raphink | asian languages support is another one | 03:06 |
| raphink | since we now have scim/skim | 03:06 |
| raphink | and the Indian and Chinese communities are growing fast | 03:06 |
| raphink | and represent a potentially huge market yet to be taken | 03:06 |
| jeroenvrp | ok I understand | 03:06 |
| raphink | certifications is a third reasons | 03:06 |
| jeroenvrp | is this a Kubuntu issue or is this Ubuntu-wide? | 03:07 |
| raphink | since certifications like LSB can't be gotten once the distro is frozen | 03:07 |
| raphink | cause modificiations in the kernel or libc6 might be required for ex | 03:07 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: this is ubuntu-wide | 03:07 |
| jeroenvrp | ok, so amarok 1.4 will be incluede | 03:07 |
| raphink | not at all kubuntu specific | 03:07 |
| raphink | no | 03:07 |
| jeroenvrp | and kde 3.5.* extra stable | 03:07 |
| raphink | I don't think so | 03:07 |
| raphink | the feature freezy has not been pushed | 03:07 |
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| jeroenvrp | raphink: mmm thats a shame | 03:08 |
| raphink | s/freezy/freeze/ | 03:08 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 03:08 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: well the goal is to polish | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | hey raphink | 03:08 |
| raphink | adding more unstable apps doesn't help | 03:08 |
| jeroenvrp | yeah I understand, but 1.4 is much more stable | 03:08 |
| jeroenvrp | even the betas | 03:08 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: then we might get it in | 03:08 |
| jeroenvrp | hopefully | 03:08 |
| raphink | if there's a UVFe requested | 03:08 |
| raphink | and if it's accepted | 03:09 |
| raphink | I know jpatrick already packaged it | 03:09 |
| raphink | but I don't know if a UVFer was filed for it | 03:09 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: I will make sure, it will be included :-0 | 03:09 |
| raphink | you can't make sure :p | 03:09 |
| raphink | you're not the one deciding about this | 03:09 |
| raphink | nor am I | 03:09 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: off course not, i'm just obne of the many | 03:10 |
| jeroenvrp | its about a balance | 03:10 |
| raphink | of the many what? | 03:10 |
| jeroenvrp | of (k)ubuntu-users/testers | 03:10 |
| raphink | users & testers don't decide what's inside next release | 03:10 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:11 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: off course not | 03:11 |
| raphink | not even devs directly | 03:11 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:11 |
| jeroenvrp | balance: we should make a difference between system-apps and desktop-apps, regarding stable/unstable | 03:11 |
| raphink | since we're in feature freeze, we try to avoid adding unstability to the system as much as possible | 03:11 |
| raphink | hmmm | 03:12 |
| raphink | bugs are easier to find in system apps | 03:12 |
| jeroenvrp | thats just my opinion | 03:12 |
| raphink | we're more likely to find and fix a bug in a new version of a system app | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: pong ? | 03:13 |
| raphink | imo | 03:13 |
| raphink | Tonio_: ah :) | 03:13 |
| raphink | tu dors pas ? | 03:13 |
| raphink | Tonio_: j'ai retouch quelques fichiers po | 03:13 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: off course, but people want to have their dekstop on the edge | 03:13 |
| jeroenvrp | snap hier niks vam | 03:13 |
| raphink | je me demandais qui a upload dans le svn pour toi la dernire fois ? | 03:13 |
| jeroenvrp | n | 03:13 |
| jeroenvrp | beginnen ze frans te lullen | 03:14 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: sorry? | 03:14 |
| jeroenvrp | ach ja | 03:14 |
| toma | jeroenvrp: zo moeilijk is dat toch niet? | 03:14 |
| jeroenvrp | haha | 03:14 |
| raphink | hmmm | 03:14 |
| raphink | ja echt | 03:14 |
| toma | ;-) | 03:14 |
| jeroenvrp | toma: I thought let join the language-party | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: fichiers .po de koiktece ? | 03:14 |
| jeroenvrp | zeker belgen :-) | 03:14 |
| raphink | van hou je niet frans jeroenvrp? | 03:14 |
| raphink | Tonio_: systemsettings et adept | 03:15 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: ik hou van elke taal | 03:15 |
| toma | raphink: ;-) | 03:15 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:15 |
| toma | thats hilarious | 03:15 |
| raphink | toma: wat is ? | 03:15 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: I might move to brussels soon, I better practice ;) | 03:15 |
| toma | van hou je niet frans | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: kool ;) | 03:15 |
| toma | raphink: is that bablefish? | 03:16 |
| jeroenvrp | another question: | 03:16 |
| raphink | Tonio_: j'ai modif certaines de tes trads | 03:16 |
| raphink | toma: huh? | 03:16 |
| raphink | toma: no it's me :p | 03:16 |
| raphink | I never use translators :p | 03:16 |
| jeroenvrp | if dapper will be out, will it be easy to modify the install cd/dvd | 03:16 |
| jeroenvrp | ? | 03:16 |
| raphink | toma: but I don't speak dutch properly I know :p | 03:16 |
| raphink | willing to learn though | 03:16 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: you are doing ok | 03:17 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: accoring to toma, I'm not doing better than babelfish | 03:17 |
| toma | "hou je niet van frans " is better | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: st pourrites mes trads ? | 03:17 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: Bablefish on the fly :-) | 03:17 |
| toma | raphink: its just a typical error | 03:17 |
| raphink | Tonio_: non mais je prfre Prfrences Systme que Paramtres Systme | 03:17 |
| jeroenvrp | I only speak Dutch and English, and I can understand German and Frisian | 03:17 |
| raphink | c'est ce que MacOS utilise | 03:18 |
| raphink | toma: ok :) | 03:18 |
| toma | raphink: but joining kde-nl will get uou up to speed in notime | 03:18 |
| raphink | frisian ? | 03:18 |
| raphink | toma: hehe :) | 03:18 |
| toma | ;-) | 03:18 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: yes frisian | 03:18 |
| raphink | echt toma, dat is richtig | 03:18 |
| raphink | wat is frisian jeroenvrp? | 03:18 |
| jeroenvrp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_language | 03:19 |
| raphink | is dat duits? | 03:19 |
| jeroenvrp | actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language as spoken in the Neherlands | 03:19 |
| raphink | ok | 03:19 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: no Duits=German | 03:19 |
| raphink | ja, ik wist dat :) | 03:20 |
| raphink | (is wist ok ?) | 03:20 |
| toma | yep | 03:20 |
| raphink | not sure | 03:20 |
| jeroenvrp | there is vene a KDE and Firefox project in Frisian | 03:20 |
| raphink | ah interestiing | 03:20 |
| raphink | there are so many languages in Europe :) | 03:20 |
| jeroenvrp | raphink: where are you from | 03:20 |
| toma | the kde-nl translation leader is frisian | 03:20 |
| raphink | jeroenvrp: ik ben frans :) | 03:21 |
| raphink | van Paris :) | 03:21 |
| jeroenvrp | ah | 03:21 |
| raphink | en ik ben in Paris nu :) | 03:21 |
| toma | waarom spreek je nederlands? | 03:21 |
| raphink | 1) I love languages | 03:21 |
| raphink | 2) my best friend lives in den Haag | 03:22 |
| raphink | 3) I'm more and more thinking of heading north | 03:22 |
| raphink | that gives a few reasons to know it ;) | 03:22 |
| raphink | actually I mostly learned it by spending time in Holland | 03:22 |
| toma | inderdaad | 03:22 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:22 |
| raphink | esp last month | 03:22 |
| raphink | well a month and a half ago | 03:22 |
| raphink | I spent almost 3 weeks in the den Haag | 03:23 |
| toma | colddddd | 03:23 |
| raphink | and I've been fighting to have entire talks with people in NL | 03:23 |
| raphink | even when they tried to answer me in english :p | 03:23 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:23 |
| raphink | of course they immediatly see I'm not dutch from my accent | 03:23 |
| raphink | so my small victories are to have an entire (even if short) conversation in dutch | 03:24 |
| raphink | when I go shopping or so ;) | 03:24 |
| toma | cool, you should poke around in #kde-nl when you are around | 03:24 |
| raphink | my friend used to tell me some years ago | 03:24 |
| toma | you never know if there is a meeting or something | 03:24 |
| raphink | that it was not worth it to learn dutch to come to A'dam | 03:24 |
| raphink | cause | 03:24 |
| raphink | * if the guy I talk to is dutch, he will get that i'm not and answer me in english | 03:25 |
| raphink | * if the guy is not dutch, he won't understand me and answer in english | 03:25 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:25 |
| raphink | is het geen #kubuntu-nl ? | 03:25 |
| toma | hey, amsterdam is english oriented | 03:25 |
| toma | that will be less when you are in den haag or utrecht | 03:26 |
| raphink | indeed | 03:26 |
| raphink | which is why I learned more being in den haag | 03:26 |
| toma | ja, er is een kubuntu-nl | 03:26 |
| raphink | in den haag heb ik seveas getrefft | 03:26 |
| raphink | :) | 03:26 |
| raphink | ah "er is", niet "het is" hehe | 03:26 |
| toma | getroffen, maar beter ontmoet | 03:27 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:27 |
| raphink | just as in german | 03:27 |
| raphink | treffen is not a standard verb | 03:27 |
| raphink | treffen/trief/getroffen :) | 03:27 |
| raphink | iirc | 03:28 |
| toma | treffen/tref/getroffen | 03:28 |
| raphink | almost the same | 03:28 |
| raphink | :) | 03:28 |
| toma | haha | 03:28 |
| toma | sure | 03:28 |
| toma | ;-) | 03:28 |
| raphink | ik denk dat veel menschen (?) sprek niet nederlands in den nederlanden | 03:29 |
| raphink | echt? | 03:29 |
| raphink | huhu I guess my dutch must just be very funny to read ;) | 03:29 |
| toma | ik denk dat veel mensen geen nederlands spreken in nederland | 03:29 |
| raphink | ah that's interesting | 03:30 |
| toma | yes, you are funny | 03:30 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:30 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:30 |
| raphink | toma: which languages do you speak? | 03:30 |
| raphink | well I guess it's not usual to have foreigners try to speak dutch, too. It's more usual to see people struggling with english or french than with dutch imo. | 03:30 |
| toma | only english, i try to do some french now and then, but that is knowledge of 20 years back | 03:31 |
| raphink | since you can just be understood by most dutch people by speaking english | 03:31 |
| raphink | 20 years back? | 03:31 |
| raphink | how old are you? | 03:31 |
| toma | mok, maybe a bit less ;-) | 03:31 |
| raphink | (hoe alt ben je ?) | 03:31 |
| toma | ik ben 30 jaar oud | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what's the new version of kaffeine/kaffiene-xine for? | 03:32 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: it's to make you talk | 03:32 |
| raphink | and it works | 03:32 |
| raphink | :) | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | ooh cool | 03:32 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:32 |
| raphink | so it was worth the effort | 03:32 |
| raphink | toma: you have kde svn commit rights ? | 03:33 |
| toma | raphink: yes | 03:33 |
| raphink | could you commit two po files for me please? | 03:33 |
| toma | they normally would go to the translation coordinator | 03:33 |
| raphink | ah ok | 03:33 |
| raphink | so do I have to send them to the fr list ? | 03:33 |
| raphink | or what? | 03:34 |
| toma | yes, the french list would do, you can mention that within no reply, you will cmmit in two weeks or something, in that case, i can do it | 03:34 |
| raphink | hmm | 03:34 |
| raphink | the french list is pretty fast to react most of the time | 03:35 |
| toma | well, that is ok, isnt it? | 03:35 |
| raphink | but can I send the files to the list as attachments? | 03:35 |
| toma | if they are not that big, else put them somewhere for download | 03:35 |
| raphink | ok | 03:35 |
| raphink | I'll try | 03:35 |
| raphink | hop | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee_: the new kaffeine has a few bugs | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | and only introduce unusefull options | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah ok | 03:37 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: will certainly not go into dapper | 03:37 |
| raphink | it's not good before sleeping | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | but we have to concentrate on one thing | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | kmplayer for konqueror | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | very true | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | kaffeine has NEVER been stable reguarding to its embedded konqueror component | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | the best comprimise actually would be kaffeine for local reading + kmplayer for konqueror | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | but that requires some configuration | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok, yep | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | now the networkmanager work is about endding, I will concentrate on that | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | I tested the new kaffeine........ | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | except horrible gui changes and audio encoding functions, I didn't saw anything interesting | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | and I don't like audio features in it.... | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | that duplicates konqueror, kaudiocreator and other stuff.... | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: did you test it ? | 03:40 |
| raphink | test what? | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | kaffeine 0.8 | 03:41 |
| raphink | no | 03:41 |
| raphink | j'ai juste pris 2 caffs corss il y a une heure | 03:41 |
| raphink | cafs | 03:42 |
| raphink | et c'est pas top pour dormir | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 03:42 |
| raphink | mme si a aide parler nerlandais 4 heures du mat | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | tu devrais tester le nouveau kaffeine et me dire ce que tu en penses | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | j'aime pas trop | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | c vraiment changer pour changer, sans rien d'interessant | 03:42 |
| raphink | ben pas maintenant | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 03:42 |
| raphink | je vais aller me coucher ;) | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | en gros c pas plus stable | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | ca pte toujours konqueror | 03:42 |
| raphink | c'est du tuning quoi | 03:42 |
| raphink | des modifs de jacky | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | mais t'as 3000 fonctions audio en plus dont on se fout eperduement | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | genre, encoding, decoding | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | j'aurai prfr un lecteur embedded konqueror qui dchire, la kmplayer | 03:43 |
| raphink | des trucs qui vont rendre kaffeine interdit en france quoi ;) | 03:43 |
| raphink | hh | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | bref, je pense qu'on va rester sur 0.7 | 03:44 |
| raphink | oki | 03:44 |
| raphink | bonne ide | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | par contre ce serait sympa de foutre kmplayer dans main pour la partie intgration a konq | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | riddell y pense, et je trouve que ce serait une bonne ide | 03:44 |
| raphink | on m'a fait remarqu aujourd'hui que ktorrent 1.2 c'tait pas top | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | ah ? | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | ca plantouille ? | 03:44 |
| raphink | oui | 03:44 |
| raphink | HOPHP ah dit que c'tait une rgression cette version | 03:45 |
| raphink | sur quelques points | 03:45 |
| raphink | faut voir avec lui | 03:45 |
| raphink | de toute faon c'est interdit en france :p | 03:45 |
| raphink | LOL | 03:45 |
| raphink | vive notre beau pays | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 03:45 |
| raphink | et vivement que je me barre | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | une regression ? | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | a ce point la ? | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | genre rien en plus a part des plantages ? | 03:46 |
| raphink | [18:51] <OdyX> En bref, la rgression (de cde que je me souviens quand j'avais tent le passage sous Breezy), c'est qu'il ouvre une connexion par fichier partag... | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | je dois avouer que j'utilise peu bittorrent | 03:46 |
| raphink | [18:51] <OdyX> donc pas plus de 1024 possibles.. | 03:46 |
| raphink | [18:51] <OdyX> alors que sous la 1.1, y'a pas ce problme... | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 03:46 |
| raphink | [18:51] <OdyX> et c'est merdique... | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | c voulu ? | 03:46 |
| raphink | [18:51] <OdyX> bref... | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | bah ca se patch ca | 03:46 |
| raphink | voil | 03:46 |
| raphink | je cite ;) | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | si c une limite physique, ca se patch | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | c debile | 03:47 |
| raphink | oki | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | le mec veut obliger les gens a partager | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | il a pas tors dans l'esprit | 03:47 |
| raphink | oui | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | bref, il a qu' patcher les sources si il est pas content | 03:47 |
| raphink | mais c'est interdit | 03:47 |
| raphink | partager c'est mal | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | bref | 03:47 |
| raphink | faut garder tes trucs pour toi :p | 03:47 |
| raphink | partager c'est vilain | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | le soft regresse pas | 03:48 |
| raphink | boooouh | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | l'auteur a pris un parti | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | libre a toi de le modif si t'es pas content | 03:48 |
| raphink | je suis pas content | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | ack, more stuff not in english... | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | bah patch le alors :) | 03:48 |
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| raphink | je veux patcher DADVSI | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sorry ;) | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | hehe no problems ;) | 03:48 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: what do you want to speak? | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | we were talking about ktorrent that actually doesn't allow more than one conection per shared file | 03:49 |
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| Tonio_ | can sound stupid, but as long as it is the upstream choice | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | I was just saying that could be patch if we don't like that | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: got no idea - i just came back to have a look what was being discussed, found it wasnt in english, and gave up :P | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 03:49 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:50 |
| raphink | english natives... | 03:50 |
| raphink | they give up on most languages... | 03:50 |
| raphink | except for riddell I have to confess :) | 03:50 |
| raphink | there are more language freaks on -motu but they're not english natives :p | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | it is not false that generally, english natives are more limited than french for other language speaking (and due to the very low level of french, that's not good) | 03:51 |
| raphink | french are very bad at languages | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: we are not the best example to give lessons to english natives......... | 03:52 |
| raphink | when I had my interview on the phone last tuesday for this job in belgium | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | french are the worst after english | 03:52 |
| raphink | this guy was amazed that being french I could be fluent in english and speak a bit of dutch | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | the best are probably swiss, but that due to geography :) | 03:52 |
| raphink | nordic people are really good :) | 03:53 |
| === Hobbsee learned some german, around 4 years of it, but never much, and the stuff that we did learn was useless anyway. who uses "saltmine" in normal conversation anyway??? | ||
| Tonio_ | raphink: about all swiss prople speak fluently french, german, swiss/german, italian and english | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | that's their base | 03:53 |
| === Hobbsee has therefore not tried to learn another language | ||
| raphink | not true Tonio_ | 03:53 |
| toma | summertime adjustment works obviously, i wish there was a bug in there.... | 03:53 |
| raphink | I've met many swiss people who only spoke one language | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: all swiss I worked with were amazing on that point | 03:54 |
| raphink | you were lucky | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: tou can find that in every country :) | 03:54 |
| raphink | of course | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: just think about their country | 03:54 |
| raphink | there are also people who pretend to know only one language | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | go 30 km north, need to speak german | 03:54 |
| raphink | I remember once in belgium | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | 30 km south, need to speak italian | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | etc...... | 03:54 |
| raphink | speaking french to a guy | 03:54 |
| raphink | and he answered in dutch although i'm very sure he knew french, at least a bit | 03:54 |
| raphink | Tonio_: no need to move really | 03:55 |
| raphink | german, french, italian and romanche are official languages | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | german are VERY good in english generally | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | spanish too | 03:55 |
| raphink | many countries in north europe begin to learn english around the age of 7 | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | and french are "proud" of beeing asholes :) | 03:56 |
| raphink | it has been shown that a second language has to be learned before the age of 7 actually | 03:56 |
| raphink | and we keep ignoring this in france | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | speaking THEIR language that nobody understand and whose grammar requires 10 years of lessons......... | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: false, actually, english lessons are provided at the age of 3 | 03:57 |
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| Tonio_ | don't forget my girlfriend is a teacher ;) I know that very well | 03:57 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: yes, and that's why I can say french are generally asholes | 03:57 |
| raphink | well the fact is that good linguists have given excellent result on when to teach a second language, whatever be it, to children | 03:57 |
| raphink | and the French education system keeps ignoring these researches | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: do you know why ? | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | I can give you the answer | 03:58 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:58 |
| raphink | give me your answer then ;) | 03:58 |
| raphink | I've got my ideas too, being interested in education myself | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | because those fucking teachers that have "a job for life" DON'T WANT to learn anything | 03:58 |
| raphink | that is right ;) | 03:58 |
| raphink | right enough | 03:59 |
| raphink | this is why I've given up on being a teacher here | 03:59 |
| raphink | although I wanted to be one | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | they want to keep quiet, nothing to lern, no need to restart anything, just beeing stupid "fonctionnaires de chiotte de merde" | 03:59 |
| raphink | I don't want to play that game of stupid competitive exams to be paid more and do nothing | 03:59 |
| raphink | le CAPES sapux | 03:59 |
| raphink | et l'IUFM c'st pourri | 03:59 |
| raphink | j'ai mieux faire ;) | 04:00 |
| raphink | si ils veulent pas de moi sans ces trucs pourris | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | teachers are (if any) the biggest asholes in france (so probably in the world) | 04:00 |
| raphink | j'irais proposer mes services ailleurs | 04:00 |
| raphink | c'est tout | 04:00 |
| raphink | y'a des pays (genre le belgique) qui sont trs contents avec ma formation en pdagogie | 04:00 |
| raphink | s/le/la/ | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | bah en france, faut un bac+5 achet dans une ecole de commerce de merde ou tu payes ton diplome | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | ou alors un bac+6 de fac | 04:01 |
| raphink | y'a des pays o la pdagogie prime sur des concours pourris | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | sinon ca veut dire que t'es un con | 04:01 |
| raphink | pour tre prof | 04:01 |
| raphink | et o on encourage les profs faire de la psycho plutot que de passer des concours de m... | 04:01 |
| raphink | m3e | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | bref, les francais sont incapables d'accepter le changement | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | parcequ'ils sont convaincus d'avoir le meileur systeme qui existe | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | encore aujourd'hui | 04:02 |
| raphink | c'est pour a que je me barre | 04:02 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | et malgr qu'on ait 12% de chomeurs | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | des sdf de partout | 04:02 |
| raphink | enfin bon | 04:02 |
| raphink | j'ai un pote libanais qui arrive la mme conclusion | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | 1000 milliards d'euros de dette | 04:02 |
| raphink | que toi | 04:02 |
| raphink | et quand je lui ai dit que je comptais me barrer | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | et qu'aucun pays ne soit interess par notre modle | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | le francais il s'en cogne | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | il est convaincu qu'on est au top | 04:02 |
| raphink | il m'a dit : ben voil... les seuls intressants se barrent ;) | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | que la sant en france, c'est le top | 04:02 |
| raphink | lol | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | que le code du travail il est le meilleur du monde | 04:03 |
| raphink | le pouvoir d'achat au top | 04:03 |
| raphink | le travail au top | 04:03 |
| raphink | l'ducation au top | 04:03 |
| raphink | les lois au top | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | il est certain que c mieux d'tre protg au travail au point que les patrons de PME ont peur d'embaucher | 04:03 |
| raphink | la politique au top | 04:03 |
| raphink | et on a tout faux ;) | 04:03 |
| raphink | pourtant y'a encore bcp de pays qui nous envient | 04:03 |
| raphink | je sais pas pourquoi | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | vu qu'une embauche pour une boite de 10 personnes c un budget de ouf | 04:03 |
| raphink | la france c'est un pays de fainants | 04:03 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | et que le mec si il tombe sur u trou du cul il ne peut RIEN faire | 04:03 |
| raphink | de frileux | 04:03 |
| raphink | de surprotgs | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: parceque ces pays ne savent pas comment c'estla france | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | c surtout ca | 04:04 |
| raphink | on est pas un peu OT l? | 04:04 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | ils croient encore que c la france de sartre | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | une france cultive | 04:04 |
| raphink | oui | 04:04 |
| raphink | j'ai parl une fois avec un kosovar | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | franchement les francais sont creus a mourir | 04:04 |
| raphink | qui voulait venir en france | 04:04 |
| raphink | clandestinement | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | des fois en socit j'ai l'impression d'tre un surhomme | 04:04 |
| raphink | mettre tout son fric dans un passeur | 04:04 |
| raphink | j'ai tent de le dcourager | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | dans ma boite ma chef elle dit "anthony, c'est une encyclopdie sur pattes" | 04:05 |
| raphink | de lui faire comprendre que si jamais il arrivait passer | 04:05 |
| raphink | il allait se retrouver clodo | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | bah non connasse, je lis juste des trucs pas trop cons de temps en temps, et je regarde plus les films de cassavettes que ceux de luc besson | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | ca suffit pour passer pour une tronche | 04:05 |
| raphink | il a pas voulu entendre | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | c grave je trouve | 04:05 |
| raphink | pour lui la france tait le pays de lait et de miel | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | waip mais bon il se rendent pas compte | 04:06 |
| raphink | non | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | de tous les pays "civiliss" | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | la france est le plus endett avec les usa | 04:06 |
| raphink | genre pour lui y'a pas de clodos | 04:06 |
| raphink | y'a personne qui a afim | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | et on est surtout LE pays qui chutte | 04:06 |
| raphink | faim | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | sur le plan internationnal | 04:06 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | sur le plan des ecoles | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | en 1980 on tait class par l'unesco 4 pour la qualit de l'enseignement | 04:06 |
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| Tonio_ | aujourd'hui on est 34 | 04:07 |
| raphink | a fait peur | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | et les profs sont convaincus que tout est genial | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | et qu'il faut surtout RIEN toucher | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | bah franchement, c super | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | continuons comme ca :) | 04:07 |
| raphink | niveau ducation le reste de la francophonie est la pointe par contre | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | waip | 04:07 |
| raphink | les belges et les canadiens sont super forts | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | mai aujourd'hui un diplome francais ne vaut plus RIEN a l'tranger | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | merci Jack Lang | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | vouloir 80% de bacheliers..........; voila le resultat | 04:07 |
| raphink | je m'en tape j'ai pas de diplome :) | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | nos diplomes valent plus rien | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | et il faut bac+3 en france pour faire caissire | 04:08 |
| raphink | c'est pour a que je me barre | 04:08 |
| raphink | :) | 04:08 |
| raphink | en france on veut que j'ai un diplome | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | et ce mec se tape une cote de popularit record :) | 04:08 |
| raphink | et l'tranger meme un diplome ne vaut rien | 04:08 |
| raphink | alors il vaut mieux ne pas avoir de diplome l'tranger | 04:08 |
| raphink | surtout si c'est pour se taper des diplomes uniquement valables en france | 04:08 |
| raphink | aprs 5 ans de taff la c1n | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | kler | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | l'autre jour j'ai vu un mec | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | ted stangers | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | un ricain conu, auteur, qui vit a paris | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | et il a pos cette question : | 04:09 |
| raphink | aprs les franais gueulent que les entreprises se barrent | 04:09 |
| raphink | mais c'est normal | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | "pourquoi les francais ne se posent pas cette question : si notre systme est a ce point si bon, pourquoi JAMAIS aucun pays ne s'en est inspir ???" | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | THE question qui tue :) | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | je parle de systeme socio/economique | 04:10 |
| raphink | en france une entreprise est oblige d'embaucher un type avec bac+5 surprotg avec un salaire mini et des charges de malade | 04:10 |
| raphink | personne ne veut a | 04:10 |
| raphink | un ing en France cote une fortune colossale | 04:10 |
| Tonio_ | pas des droits de l'individu, la on "a t" bons | 04:10 |
| raphink | on a t bons ;) | 04:10 |
| Tonio_ | bah justement | 04:10 |
| raphink | non mais regarde | 04:10 |
| raphink | avec la scu et tout | 04:10 |
| Tonio_ | tant donn qu'en france, un patron ne peut pas virer un mec qui fout rien | 04:10 |
| raphink | en france | 04:11 |
| raphink | un ing cote des centaines d'euros la journe | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | ne peut aps virer un incomptent, a moins qu'il cause des morts tous les jours | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | bah du coup, on cherche LA garantie | 04:11 |
| raphink | hehe | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | et on veut que de l'ing formatt qui sort de l'ecole | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | on prendra jamais le risque de donner sa chance a un jeune quinenveu | 04:11 |
| raphink | mais je crois qu'on nglige aussi dans l'histoire la proprit de l'entrepreneur | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | parceque le mec si il est mauvais t'es nik | 04:11 |
| raphink | et a me gne a | 04:11 |
| raphink | une entreprise c'est uen proprit prive | 04:12 |
| raphink | je suis entrepreneur je cr mon entreprise | 04:12 |
| raphink | je veux embaucher un mec, je prend un collaborateur | 04:12 |
| raphink | je veux plus du mec, je lui fais comprendre | 04:12 |
| raphink | et je suis libre de faire ce que je veux avec ma proprit prive | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | alors oui et non | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | faut pas non plus que les entreprises soient gres de manire fodales | 04:12 |
| raphink | ben dans une certaine mesure quand mme | 04:13 |
| raphink | oui clair | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | le bleme c qu'au lieu de liberaliser globalement le truc | 04:13 |
| raphink | mais je pense qu'en france l'tat va trop loin | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | et ca ca marche, genre au canada | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | on fait un CPE | 04:13 |
| raphink | dans la gestion du travail | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | ce qui fait qu'on va avoir des mecs protgs | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | et des mecs non protgs | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | qui pouront pas faire de prets, louer un apart etc....... | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | si c t comme au canada, pas de discrimination, car le code du travail est le mme pour tous | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | il est la le probleme du cpe | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | jamais une banque fera un pret a un jeune qui risque d'tre vir du jour au lendemain | 04:14 |
| raphink | clair | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | par contre au canada aucun probleme, car TOUT LE MONDE est a ce regime | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | du coup, c'est plus simple | 04:14 |
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| raphink | hehe | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | faudcrait moins de contrats | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | regarde aux usa ou au canada | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | contrat de travail unique | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | point | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | en france : cpe, cne, cdd, cdi, alternance, stages, interim | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | putain mais quel bordel | 04:15 |
| raphink | clair | 04:15 |
| raphink | on veut trop rguler | 04:15 |
| raphink | trop rentrer dans le dtail du bordel | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | forcment quand t'as un truc en intrim, t'es pas sur un pied d'egalit avec un mec qui a un cdi | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | et core moins avec un mec fonctionnaire | 04:16 |
| raphink | clair | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | avec un seul contrat, mme si c'est libral, t'es moins emmerd | 04:16 |
| raphink | donc le problme c'est les cdi | 04:16 |
| raphink | pas les cpe | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | vu que TOUT LE MONDE risque d'tre vir du jour au lendemain | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | du coup, comme faut bien que les banques fassent leur croutent, bah elles font des prets sans faire chier | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | car de toutes facons, c'est pour tout le monde pareil | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | mais ca les francais sont incapables de le comprendre | 04:17 |
| raphink | oui | 04:17 |
| raphink | et pareil pour les entreprises | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | c'est impossible de dire "on va toucher au cdi qui est trop protecteur en france" | 04:17 |
| raphink | elles sont moins frileuses embaucher qui que ce soit | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | quand tu vois le bordel pour les retraites......... | 04:17 |
| raphink | vu que tout le monde est au mme rgime | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | une reforme comme ca j'ose mme aps imaginer | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | du coup aujourd'hui en france, les entreprises font que des cdd, des interims, des stagiaires | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | et nous on vuet a tous prix garder notre super cdi qui sert a rien | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | c n'importe quoi serieux | 04:18 |
| raphink | tu fais une rforme des cdis tout le monde est dans la rue | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | bref, on en est qu'au debut :) | 04:18 |
| raphink | parceque tout le monde voudrait un cdi | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | moi je suis pour le contrat unique | 04:18 |
| raphink | au final les entreprises arrivent en plus des trucs ignobles | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | moins violent u'un cpe | 04:18 |
| raphink | pour virer les cdis | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | moins protecteur qu'un cdi | 04:19 |
| raphink | ils font de la pression psy | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | comme au canada | 04:19 |
| raphink | pour les forcer dmissionner | 04:19 |
| raphink | dans pleins de boites | 04:19 |
| raphink | ce qui est pire que d'tre vir proprement | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | kler | 04:19 |
| raphink | mon avis | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | le pire c que tous les francais te diront "c'est chouette au canada" | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | et y a pas UN mec qui accepterait leur rgime........ | 04:20 |
| raphink | lol | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | va comprendre | 04:20 |
| raphink | ben non | 04:20 |
| raphink | c'est chouette mais pas pour nous ;) | 04:20 |
| raphink | donc les types qui trouvent vraiment a chouette se barrent | 04:20 |
| raphink | et faut pas s'tonner qu'on ait toujours une fuite des cerveaudx | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | enfin bon resultat, t'as des mecs qui ont 40 ans, qui ont jamais sign un cdi | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | qui vont de contrat pourris en cdd non renouvells | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | et qui vont manifester pour qu'on change surtout RIEN | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | baha ce rythme la on a pas fini | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | je vais te dire, si y a un pays qui se casse la gueule en ce moment, c'est bien la france | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | sur tous les plans | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | niveau politique, on a plus aucun pouvoir | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | sur le plan culturel, on a plus aucune vrai rfrence | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | sur le plan de la rechercher, on commence a tre largus | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | l'education pareil | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | la capacit a voluer, on est la rise du monde avec nos grves de 3 mois tous les ans | 04:22 |
| raphink | oui | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | nos fonctionnaires qui ont des conditions de la mort et qui se la jouent "asiatique clandestin exploit" | 04:22 |
| raphink | lol | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | alors qu'ils ont, qu'on le veuille ou non, de super conditions de travail | 04:23 |
| raphink | kler | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | j'exclus les urgentistes et les pompiers :) | 04:23 |
| raphink | genre les types de la sncf sont super plaindre quoi ;) | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | qui euxen chient et gueulent jamais | 04:23 |
| raphink | oui | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | bah kler attend tu te rend pas compte ? | 04:23 |
| raphink | la SNCF c'est les meilleurs | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | j'ai connu une nana | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | aucun diplome" | 04:23 |
| raphink | avec les profs | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | conne.......... comme une cone koi | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | bte et tout | 04:23 |
| raphink | ils gueulent tout le temps | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | elle rentre la sncf | 04:23 |
| raphink | pour rien | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | controleur dans les trains | 04:24 |
| raphink | d'ailleurs la SNCF supporte toujours tout le monde | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | 1500 nets par mois | 04:24 |
| raphink | quelle que soit la grve | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | pour 32 heures de taff sur 4 jours | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | par semaine | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | sachant que les 32h, c'est 3h de taff et 29 h de tarot dans le train | 04:24 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | boulot a vie | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | primes | 04:24 |
| raphink | hh | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | et ca gueule tous les 6 mois | 04:24 |
| raphink | clair | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | franchement.......... | 04:24 |
| raphink | c'est super trankil | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | bah grave | 04:25 |
| raphink | mais ils vont te dire qu'ils risquent leur vie | 04:25 |
| raphink | ils peuvent tre attaqus | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | bah moi je refuse de sortir de chez moi | 04:25 |
| raphink | ils peuvent louper une marche d'escalator | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | je veux travailler a distance | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | je risque d'tre attaqu | 04:25 |
| raphink | et puis chatelet a sent pas bon | 04:25 |
| raphink | hehe ;) | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | mais le pire c la RATP | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | y a un SCANDALE a la ratp | 04:25 |
| raphink | Rentre Avec Tes Pieds :) | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | tu sais pkoi ils ont gueul comme ca pourla rforme des retraites ? | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | je vais t'expliker | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | a la ratp on a un rgime special | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | chaque fois qu'on taffe 5 ans | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | on a une anne de cotisation gratuite | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | 5 ans = 6 ans de cotisation | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | en clair un mec qui rentre a la ratp a 20 ans | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | il est a la retraite a 52 | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | enfin il tait | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | de plus | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | a retraite des fonctionnaire n'est pas calcule sur les 5 dernires annes de travail | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | mais els derniers 6 mois | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | en clair, en gnral, un mec de la ratp est augment 6 mois avant la retraite | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | donc il part avec le pactole a 52 ans | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | et c ce mec la qui gueule le plus fort quand on demande a tout le monde de faire un effort pour payer les retraites des autres........... | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | c pas un scandale ca ? | 04:27 |
| raphink | oui | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | ou EDF | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | ou la poste | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | j'ai remarqu | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | que tes souvent, les bureaux de psote sont en grve les 2 et 3 janviers......... | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | WE de 4 jours | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | et EDF c le pompon........ | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | les cableurs d'edf qui te sortent "faut pas privatiser edf, car on a une mission sociale" | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | franchement, le mec qui tire des cables toute la journe, j'aimerai qu'il m'explike a quel point il la ressent la mission sociale........ | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | edf, n2 de l'electricit dans le monde | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | plus gros exportateur d'electricit dans le monde | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | 60 milliards d' de deficit..........; | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | la honte........ | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | tout ca parceque leurs retraits ont 100 du salaire et pas 70 | 04:30 |
| raphink | ouep | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | parcequ'ils ne payent ni electricit, ni gaz | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | que c'est nous qui payons a leur place | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | pour leur gueule | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | et ce sont ces memes mecs qui t'empchent d'aller taffer quand on leur dit qu'ils payeront 4% de leur facture au lieu des 3% habituels | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | toi tu peux pas aller taffer | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | et comme moi l'anne dernire | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | tu perds 3 jours de vacances a cause de ces enculs | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | parceque tu peux pas aller taffer | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | ca me out la gerbe tient......... | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | je les jalouse pas, mais serieux, un prof | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | un mec qui a un emploi a VIE | 04:32 |
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| Tonio_ | qui doit 16h de cours par semaine | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | qui en fait en gros 25 avec le boulot a cot quand il est bien organis | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | qui a 5 mois de vacance par an | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | et qui gagne tres correctement sa vie | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | la moindre des choses, quand tu as tout ca pendant que t'as des mecs qui en chient 45h semaine a l'usine, avec 5 semaines de cong | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | c'est de fermer ta gueule non ? | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | surtout qu'un prof, il va toujours te dire qu'il a une putain de pression | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | enfin bon, entre la pression d'un prof qui est control 15 minutes tous les deux ans par l'acadmie | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | et un mec qui a un patron con sur le dos 45h par semaine sur le dos | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | et qui peut tre vir comme un rien, ou subir des pressions pour demissionner | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | c pas une "pression" digne de ce nom | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | mais comme les profs ont jamais taff dans de vrais enteprises, ils peuvent pas se rendre compte je pense | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | ceci tant, je les trouve vraiment indcents | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | discutte avec un prof, il passe TOUT son temps a se plaindre de ses conditions de travail | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | faut pas dconner koi | 04:36 |
| raphink | oui | 04:36 |
| raphink | et les politiques se plaignent de leur salaire aussi ;) | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | je veux bien que des fois ce soit pas facile, mais bon........ | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | quand tu risques pas ta place | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | que tu as du temps pour bien faire | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | des mois de vacances pour recuprer | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | la pression, ca va koi........... | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | alors les politiques, je suis pour et contre | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | disons que c pas faux de dire que si ils taient mieux pays, ils seraient pas tents de piquer dans la caisse :) | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | c pas faux de dire que c des mecs qui gagneront pas ca toute leur vie (on est jamais ministre tres longtemps) | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | et c pas faux de dire qu'ils pourraient gagner 5 fois plus dans le priv, vu le niveau d'tudes | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | mais c pas faux de dire aussi que personne les oblige hein :) | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | si ils sont aps contents, ils peuvent aller taffer dans le priv | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | c comme une minette qui se plangnait y a un an a la tl | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | "j'ai fait politechnique, deux theses, et aujourd'hui, je suis chercheur a 1500/mois" | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | bah vi et alors ? | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | elle est bien conne surtout :) | 04:39 |
| raphink | hh | 04:39 |
| raphink | clair | 04:40 |
| raphink | elle dmnage en californie | 04:40 |
| raphink | et elle va se faire du fric | 04:40 |
| raphink | c'est son choix | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | elle va dans le priv et elle touchera 5000/mois minimum | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | et pis bon la recherche, ca va koi | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | c pas des speeds les mecs | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | j'ai le frere de mon meilleur pote qui est chercheur au cnrs | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | il captait pas que j'ai pas eu le temps de me faire couper les cheuveux | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | la dernire fois | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | c sur, lui il va au coiffeur sur son temps de travail | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | il fait ses courses pendant ses poses clopes | 04:41 |
| raphink | lol | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | genre pose de deux heures | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | il va faire ses courses a 10h | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | il revient a 15h30 en revenant du coiffeur........ | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | c sur qu'en californie, t'es mieux pay | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | mais bon tu fais pas 15 heures par semaine koi | 04:42 |
| raphink | ben oui mais bon | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | et pis moi je suis oki pour qu'on paye plus les chercheurs | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | mais je veux qu'on les controle aussi | 04:42 |
| raphink | 15h par semaine c'est des horaires de faignasse | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | parceque bon le mec qui "cherche" depuis 30 ans | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | qui est control une fois tous les 5 ans pour renouveller sa bourse de recherche | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | et qui trouve RIEN | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | a un moment donn ca va koi :) | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | les mecs ils gueulent que c mieux aux USA | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | mais JAMAIS ils accepteraient la mme chose ici | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | c super hypocrite | 04:43 |
| raphink | clair | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | aux usa, un chercheur il taffe | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | il a 3 ans | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | et si il trouve rien, il degage | 04:43 |
| raphink | ils veulent le conditiosn de rve de la france | 04:43 |
| raphink | + le salaire de US | 04:43 |
| raphink | a peut pas marcher | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | en gros c ca | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | tu te rappelles la greve des chercheurs | 04:44 |
| raphink | je veux bosser 35h avec un salaire de 80h | 04:44 |
| raphink | oui mais non | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | ils gueulaient tous en prenant l'exemple des US | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | que ce serait-il pass si on avaitn copi le systeme US en france ? | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | ils auraient tous gueul | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | c oblig | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | 35h ?????? | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | tu crois vraiment qu'un prof de fac ca bosse 35 h ????????? | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | ca bosse 8 heures de cours | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | 10 heures a discutter avec ses collgues | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | 3 heures de courses et coiffeur | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | et ca taffe 10 heures si tout va bien | 04:45 |
| raphink | non c'est 18 | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | a part les vrais bon gros chercheurs, qui bossent | 04:45 |
| raphink | en temps plain | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | mais qui sont super rares | 04:46 |
| raphink | plein | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | non c 8 | 04:46 |
| raphink | et ils oublient que les vacances scolaires c'est fiat pour taffer | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | 16 pour un capes | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | 12 pour un agrg | 04:46 |
| raphink | reprendre les copies des lves | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | et 8 pour un docteur | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 04:46 |
| raphink | lol | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | non mais c les vrais chiffres | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | 8 heures de cours, et le reste pour "chercher" | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | mais bon ils voudraient le salaire des US, sans les horaires, sans les obligations de trouver, et sans qu'on vienne leur demander des comptes......... | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | les "vrais" | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | ceux qui veulent taffer | 04:47 |
| raphink | oui | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | ils se cassent aux US | 04:47 |
| raphink | bon | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | mais ca represente combien ? | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | 2% des chercheurs ? | 04:47 |
| raphink | je vais quand mme me coucher | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | les autres preferent rester ici, et gueuler | 04:47 |
| raphink | je veux me lever demain | 04:47 |
| raphink | tt | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | oki ;) | 04:47 |
| raphink | donc je vais te souhaiter une bonne nuit ;) | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | bonne nuit :) | 04:48 |
| raphink | ++ | 04:48 |
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| Lure | freeflying: qt 3.3.6 - so far eveything is fine | 07:39 |
| freeflying | Lure: hmm , thx | 07:39 |
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| freeflying | http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle.png | 08:48 |
| freeflying | http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle1.png | 08:48 |
| freeflying | http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle2.png | 08:48 |
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| Lure | :q | 11:25 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:25 |
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| Pygi | spacey: around? | 11:42 |
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| mornfall | so | 12:50 |
| mornfall | kubuntu supports dialup users? | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | hi mornfall | 12:50 |
| mornfall | or no :) | 12:50 |
| mornfall | hi Hobbsee | 12:50 |
| mornfall | since the results of the UI improvements requested for adept | 12:51 |
| mornfall | make it impossible to manually check for updates without using adept manager | 12:51 |
| mornfall | (that is, no updater in menus and since notifier is hidden, no way to run it when system thinks it is up to date) | 12:52 |
| mornfall | one option is to say that dialup users should use adept manager or minicli adept_updater | 12:52 |
| mornfall | but it's a bit harsh on them, considering their broadband cousins have no such hoops to run through | 12:53 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: how goes? | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: not good. | 12:53 |
| mornfall | :'( | 12:53 |
| mornfall | what | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | my car decided to immobilise itself on my way to work today... | 12:54 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle2.png | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | so now i'm trying to find a way to get to and from uni, and work tomorrow. | 12:54 |
| mornfall | 2 ouches | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | very | 12:54 |
| mornfall | 1 you go to work on sunday? | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | yes, but tomorrow is monday | 12:54 |
| mornfall | yes | 12:54 |
| === Hobbsee gets paid at time-and-a-half on sunday :D :D :D | ||
| mornfall | ah :-) | 12:55 |
| === mornfall is glad he does not own a car -- a problem less | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:55 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: kerry woks more fine than kat | 12:55 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: kerry FTBFS | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok, i was wondering whta the relevance was | 12:56 |
| mornfall | freeflying: server timeout | 12:56 |
| freeflying | mornfall: hehe | 12:57 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: which version do you package | 12:57 |
| mornfall | freeflying: anything new on the scim problem? | 12:57 |
| freeflying | mornfall: not yet | 12:57 |
| freeflying | mornfall: add/remove programs crashed this afternoon , not any massage given | 12:58 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: 0.07 | 12:58 |
| mornfall | freeflying: which package version? | 12:59 |
| freeflying | mornfall: the latest | 12:59 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: 0.09 is out | 12:59 |
| mornfall | freeflying: ubuntu2? | 12:59 |
| freeflying | mornfall: kubuntu | 12:59 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: right, let's see if it works this time | 12:59 |
| mornfall | freeflying: latest is 1.91ubuntu | 01:00 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: need run "make admin/Makefile.common cvs " firstly | 01:00 |
| mornfall | freeflying: bah, 1.91ubuntu2 | 01:00 |
| freeflying | mornfall: I see | 01:00 |
| mornfall | freeflying: if you have ubuntu1, the crash is known | 01:00 |
| mornfall | freeflying: if ubuntu2, it's new :) | 01:00 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: where do I download? | 01:01 |
| mornfall | freeflying: in any case, some more info would be probably helpful :) | 01:01 |
| freeflying | mornfall: ubuntu2 | 01:01 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: http://en.opensuse.org/Kerry | 01:02 |
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| jpatrick | test* | 01:03 |
| === freeflying hope we can use kerry as default | ||
| mornfall | freeflying: were you doing something specific? or it just disappeared without you doing something? | 01:04 |
| mornfall | freeflying: was it after or before installing something? | 01:04 |
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| freeflying | mornfall: just select all for filtering | 01:04 |
| mornfall | freeflying: start and change filters? | 01:04 |
| freeflying | mornfall: and now it cann't work , just freeze | 01:05 |
| freeflying | mornfall: ya | 01:05 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: have you packaged it somewhere? | 01:05 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: the package is dirty :) just for test | 01:06 |
| freeflying | mornfall: why add Add/remove program to main entry | 01:06 |
| mornfall | freeflying: hmh? | 01:06 |
| mornfall | freeflying: please be specific i cannot figure what your problems are and in what order | 01:06 |
| freeflying | mornfall: why add Add/remove program to main entry of kde menu | 01:07 |
| mornfall | freeflying: what why? are you asking me? | 01:07 |
| mornfall | freeflying: because it was not my decision | 01:07 |
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| mornfall | so i don't know | 01:07 |
| mornfall | as for the "it can't work" | 01:08 |
| mornfall | that is hardly helpful | 01:08 |
| mornfall | i can't fix things on the grounds that you say "it does not work" "it crashes" or "it is broken" | 01:08 |
| mornfall | the crystal ball is currently out of service | 01:08 |
| freeflying | mornfall: I see , will give you useful information | 01:09 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/kerry_0.09-1_i386.deb | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | hey, any ideas when we'll get working CUPS? | 01:09 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: when hell freezes over ;-) | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | haha drat | 01:10 |
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| jpatrick | freeflying: hmm, looks like we have the wrong libqt-mt verison | 01:12 |
| === Hobbsee gasps | ||
| Hobbsee | ! | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | it found my printer! | 01:13 |
| jpatrick | hooary! | 01:13 |
| freeflying | mornfall: bt of adept | 01:14 |
| freeflying | mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10833 | 01:15 |
| mornfall | freeflying: bah, it crashes in scim | 01:15 |
| mornfall | freeflying: or, well, hangs | 01:15 |
| freeflying | mornfall: ya :) | 01:16 |
| mornfall | anyhow, i guess it has something to do with setFocus :) | 01:16 |
| mornfall | freeflying: can you run continue for a bit | 01:17 |
| mornfall | freeflying: then ctrl+c and bt again? | 01:17 |
| mornfall | freeflying: as for installer, i have indeed reproduced some crash -- going to valgrind now, since it crashes somewhere deep in kdelibs/qt | 01:18 |
| mornfall | with corrupted stack | 01:19 |
| mornfall | oh my | 01:19 |
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| freeflying | mornfall: can not continue | 01:20 |
| hunger | Aehm... what's up with konqui? | 01:20 |
| freeflying | mornfall: forget to tell u , I'm using qt-3.3.6 | 01:20 |
| mornfall | freeflying: that shouldn't be a problem though | 01:20 |
| mornfall | freeflying: how cannot continue? | 01:20 |
| mornfall | freeflying: typing c<enter> in gdb should let the program run for a bit | 01:20 |
| hunger | I keep getting popups informing me that "You have associated Konqueror with text/html, but it cannot handle this file type." | 01:20 |
| freeflying | flood | 01:21 |
| freeflying | [Thread -1285432400 (LWP 6952) exited] | 01:21 |
| hunger | when trying to google | 01:21 |
| freeflying | [New Thread -1293825104 (LWP 6983)] | 01:21 |
| freeflying | [Thread -1293825104 (LWP 6983) exited] | 01:21 |
| freeflying | thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error | 01:21 |
| freeflying | (gdb) | 01:21 |
| freeflying | Continuing. | 01:21 |
| freeflying | thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error | 01:21 |
| mornfall | freeflying: yay for gdb :'( | 01:21 |
| mornfall | its doing me this all the time | 01:21 |
| freeflying | mornfall: need I do anything else :) | 01:21 |
| mornfall | freeflying: i'll see if there's some excessive setFocus going on in adept and if so i'll see if i can reduce it | 01:22 |
| mornfall | freeflying: it may or may not solve the problem -- i'll send you a patch and we see, okey? | 01:22 |
| freeflying | mornfall: okey | 01:22 |
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| jpatrick | hmm, that ain't good | 01:33 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: what | 01:34 |
| jpatrick | mornfall frowning at installer | 01:34 |
| freeflying | hehe | 01:35 |
| mornfall | it does not exhibit anything in valgrind so far | 01:36 |
| mornfall | but it crashed somewhere deep in library code twice on me when running in gdb | 01:36 |
| mornfall | i never crashed it outside of debugger | 01:36 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 01:45 |
| OculusAquilae | hi Tonio_ | 01:45 |
| jpatrick | hey Tonio_ | 01:45 |
| === Tonio_ is working on kmplayer | ||
| jpatrick | that's what I was doing | 01:47 |
| mornfall | bah can't crash it now | 01:50 |
| mornfall | even in gdb | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: don't know if you're aware of that, but Riddell thinks about kmplayer-plugin for konqueror installed by default | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | *eventually* | 01:56 |
| jpatrick | it's way better than kaffeine for sure | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | for konq ? yes ;) | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm trying to simplify the package. | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | it is horribly complicated actually | 01:57 |
| jpatrick | oh | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | just remember to use xine for audio | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | it was the only engine that actually worked here | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | kmplayer-app kmplayer-base kmplayer-doc | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | why not something more simple ? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | is 7packages really needed ? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | no need to split out the libs | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | no need to split the docs | 01:59 |
| jpatrick | I did it so that you could have the standalone or the plugin without the standalone | 01:59 |
| jpatrick | just by having the base | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | yes, but the docs ? | 02:00 |
| jpatrick | err | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | hum okay, I understand the reason........ | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | you can install the plugin, libs, docs, without the player | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | that is quite logic | 02:01 |
| jpatrick | yes | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | okay, sorry for my criticisms ;) | 02:01 |
| jpatrick | no problem | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | changelog needs to be cleaned | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | only one entry | 02:01 |
| hunger | Yes, please keep the docs separate. | 02:02 |
| jpatrick | excuse me, i have to have lunch, bbl | 02:02 |
| === hunger collects doc packages and has all of them installed;-) | ||
| jpatrick | ha | 02:02 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: allee was the brains behind the package work | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | I know ;) | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | but there are things that have to be changed | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | only one entry in the changelog for example | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | debian/copyright, can be simplified and polished | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | little things I'm working on actually | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: do we want to override ? | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer to let the erros personnaly....... | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | errors | 02:13 |
| jpatrick | rm them | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | did I add the docbooks? | 02:14 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: if you talk about the manpage, yes | 02:20 |
| jpatrick | ok, good | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | now the question is : how can we set kmplayer by default in konq | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | that need to be set in k-d-s | 02:20 |
| jpatrick | back to k-d-s | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: uploading the package on my repo in a few minutes | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | I updated to pre3 | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | and then we can make a few tests | 02:21 |
| jpatrick | excellent | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | I'm eventually thinking : why not simply kmplayer by default ? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | how is the player | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 02:22 |
| jpatrick | I have to check what engine's I had to use for video and audio | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I will set that in k-d-s, don't mind ;) | 02:22 |
| jpatrick | way nicer than Kaffeine | 02:23 |
| jpatrick | less crashes, etc | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | even the standard the player ? | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | interesting ;) | 02:23 |
| jpatrick | bit complex | 02:26 |
| seaLne | very weird in system-settings i just typed crap into the passwd box for administration and it enabled it | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: my repo is update, we can test ;) | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: know what ? | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | lintian doesn't cry with latest version ;) | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, nice ;) | 02:28 |
| jpatrick | sweet | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: you can try within my repo | 02:28 |
| jpatrick | Am doing so | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: little question | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | why do we have 6 .install files and only 4 packages declared is control ? | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand that structure I must say | 02:31 |
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| jpatrick | 6 .install files...... | 02:32 |
| jpatrick | Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: retry, you were in the autoupdate process ;) | 02:33 |
| jpatrick | it still fails | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: for example, Ihave kmplayer-lib.install, but no kmplayer-lib package........ | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? | 02:33 |
| jpatrick | It fails for all the unofficial repos I have | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | works for me ;) | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | so my question is, why do we have .install files for non existing packages......... | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | crappy ;) | 02:35 |
| jpatrick | lib should be base now | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | it is :) | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | sames content | 02:35 |
| jpatrick | sorry old files floating around | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | kmplayer.install == kmplayer-app.install I assume ? | 02:36 |
| jpatrick | yeah | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | kmplayer-plugin.install == konq-kmplayer-plugin.install | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | konq-kmplayer-plugins.install | 02:36 |
| jpatrick | I thought we merged kmplayer-app into kmplayer | 02:36 |
| jpatrick | yeah | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | why not kmplayer-konq-plugins.install | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | instead ? | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | that is easier to find no ? | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | don't you prefer that package name ? | 02:37 |
| jpatrick | sounds good | 02:37 |
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| jpatrick | hmm, that didn't work | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm merging i18n package with kmplayer-base | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | are you okay with this ? | 02:44 |
| jpatrick | sure | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | that now ressembles to a readable package ;) | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 02:45 |
| raphink | from what we do lately with wpa, wl, kde 3.5.2 etc. | 02:45 |
| raphink | it seems we would gain from having an experimental repo | 02:45 |
| raphink | like in debian | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: like my repo ? | 02:45 |
| raphink | to centralize the packages being tested before inclusion in unstable | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | I agree | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | same we do with my repo infact | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | used to test only | 02:46 |
| raphink | yes | 02:46 |
| raphink | but officially | 02:46 |
| raphink | having a real shared experimental repo | 02:46 |
| raphink | to test new stuff we would like to get in dapper | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I agree | 02:46 |
| raphink | Riddell: your opinion? | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: including a few patches (kdepot.......) and reuploading | 02:51 |
| raphink | Tonio_: tu es sous 3.5.2 ? | 02:51 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: apt hates me, it's not letting me get anything but the ubuntu repos | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: non | 02:51 |
| raphink | Tonio_: ok | 02:52 |
| raphink | Tonio_: faut tester ;) | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: ca marche bien ? | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | file le repo | 02:52 |
| raphink | je sais pas je suis en train de mettre jour | 02:52 |
| hapo | talar ni svenska? | 02:52 |
| raphink | mais j'ai des retours positifs | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | ok | 02:52 |
| raphink | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main | 02:53 |
| raphink | deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main | 02:53 |
| raphink | et idem pour breezy bien sr :) | 02:53 |
| jpatrick | raphink: quoi de neuf? | 02:53 |
| raphink | thanks to Riddell :) | 02:53 |
| jpatrick | if that's right.... | 02:53 |
| raphink | Tonio_: c'est pour a que je dis qu'il faudrait centraliser les paquatages exprimentaux | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: tout fait | 02:53 |
| raphink | jpatrick: je vais bien merci... pas grand cose de neuf | 02:53 |
| raphink | chose | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | et utiliser les backports ensuite | 02:54 |
| raphink | oui | 02:54 |
| raphink | enfin surtout pour dapper mon avis | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: speaking a bit of french ? hehe nice ;) | 02:54 |
| raphink | si on veut inclure des trucs | 02:54 |
| raphink | les tester suffisamment | 02:54 |
| raphink | genre on teste 3.5.2 pendant 3 ou 4 semaines | 02:54 |
| raphink | et si y'a aucun retour ngatif on le met | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | I never understood why didn't the new kde backports from dapper to breezy to in the backport repo | 02:54 |
| raphink | bon je re | 02:54 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I've done about six years french learning at school | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: interessant ;) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: nous alons pouvoir parler en franais maintenant alors ;) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 02:55 |
| jpatrick | just need to remember it all | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: building latest package version | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | uploading and let you know | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | the package structure is way simple now | 02:56 |
| kmon | if the shared experimental repo includes new sw for tester in all arch, I think it would be a nice idea. 0.2? | 02:56 |
| Tm_T | bah bah bah | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: it could, and shouldn't contain lots of packages........ | 02:57 |
| Tm_T | bit strange, with some windecos composite is very buggy | 02:57 |
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| Tonio_ | just that people who would like to test experimental feature and make bug reports wouldn't have to search the information everywhere and switch between 30 repos | 02:57 |
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| Tonio_ | that why we actually centralise the current stuff on mine, but I can't host datas for all archives...... | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | hello Mr Tm_T ;) | 02:58 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: no, it hates me: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/623077 | 02:59 |
| Tm_T | moin | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: it really does hate you - it's working here | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | actually, i think it ignored it, but it didnt error out | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: no po files for kmplayer.......... | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | that's a pain....... | 03:02 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: it's in extragear, i think | 03:03 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: remove you apt-cache | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | and try to get the file manually, with wget for example | 03:03 |
| jpatrick | apt-get clean ' | 03:03 |
| jpatrick | ? | 03:03 |
| Tm_T | I don't get it, how windeco can cause so much buggy behaviour with composite... oh well | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 03:04 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: same | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: does wget work ? | 03:08 |
| jpatrick | old-fashion way it is I guess | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: didn't you configure apt to reject unsigned repos ? | 03:09 |
| jpatrick | no | 03:09 |
| jpatrick | this is fresh install | 03:09 |
| jpatrick | 2 days old | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I must say I don't know......... | 03:12 |
| Tm_T | aaaand Xorg carsh! | 03:12 |
| Tm_T | crash even | 03:12 |
| Tm_T | I hate composite | 03:13 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: that ressembles to a dns problem...... | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | can you wget the file ? | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | to let me know if that works ? | 03:15 |
| jpatrick | I'll try | 03:15 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: The requested URL /kubuntu/ was not found on this server. | 03:17 |
| Tm_T | X crashed again?! | 03:18 |
| Tm_T | oh, wonderful | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: hu ? | 03:18 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: you seem to be having fun | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | strange, really......... | 03:18 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/ | 03:19 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: you broke something again? ^_^ | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: nothing | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | the repo works........ | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | it is just jpatrick | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | my repo is configured to reject spanish people, maybe ;) | 03:20 |
| jpatrick | I'm not Spanish | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: yeah, I moved from Konsole tab to another -> crash | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I know ;) | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: don't you leave in spain ? | 03:20 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: yep | 03:21 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: s/leave/live? | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi, jpatrick: hu ???????? | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | yes the repo is broken actually.........; | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | but why ??????? | 03:22 |
| jpatrick | so is it my fault or someone else's? | 03:23 |
| jpatrick | where's the dns stuff stored? | 03:26 |
| jpatrick | ah found it | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I think there is a problem on the repo :) | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | I'm rebooting | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | and I have a look | 03:29 |
| Pygi | hehe, Tonio_ broke something once again ;) | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I didn't touch anhything | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I don't understand | 03:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, I am just joking ... ;) | 03:30 |
| superstoned | mornfall: i have a prob with adept. it screws up /etc/apt/sources.list - it adds some characters that make apt-get update screw up. adept tells me there's an error, and exits. apt-get update from commandline tells me: E: Malformed line 66 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) | 03:30 |
| superstoned | if i cat the file, i see nothing wrong. but in midnight commander's editor, i see black dots after the content of line 66. | 03:31 |
| jpatrick | hi superstoned | 03:31 |
| superstoned | i can send you the file if you want, adept does it reliably every time if i use it to edit the sources | 03:31 |
| superstoned | hi jpatrick :D | 03:31 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: restarted networking here | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: /me rebooting | 03:31 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: did you package kmplayer? | 03:33 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: yes | 03:34 |
| jpatrick | and afternoon | 03:34 |
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| jpatrick | re Tonio_ | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: re | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | what hapens with the repo......... | 03:36 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand......... | 03:36 |
| jpatrick | Errhttp://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper/main Packages | 03:36 |
| jpatrick | 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] | 03:36 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have 404, you have a dns problem | 03:38 |
| jpatrick | guess so | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | why is it searching Packages ? | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | my issue is that (i think) I uploaded signed source packages for kmplayer | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | and because the repo isn't signed, it doesn't like :) | 03:38 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: what's the status of your kmplayer package? | 03:43 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: WIP | 03:44 |
| jpatrick | It's in Tonio_'s repo | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I worked a bit on polishing the package | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | and upgrade it to the latest version | 03:45 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: will you package kerry | 03:47 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: if you want me to | 03:48 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: how are we going to get these NEW packs in? | 03:48 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: hehe, if you haven't time for it , I will | 03:48 |
| freeflying | Riddell: how about qt-3.3.6 | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: in what ? main ? | 03:49 |
| jpatrick | ubuntu repos | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: need to ask for main inclusion | 03:50 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I gave it a shot, had no problems so I've asked for an upstream version freeze exception | 03:50 |
| Riddell | build key changes though | 03:51 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: upload them :) | 03:51 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: FF | 03:51 |
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| Tm_T | agh | 03:55 |
| Tm_T | ok, no working Kopete here... | 03:55 |
| Tm_T | now I'm pissed | 03:55 |
| Tm_T | restarting whole pc -> | 03:55 |
| Riddell | hello ZuZubuntu-fr | 03:56 |
| jpatrick | haha | 03:56 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: kerry added to TODO | 03:56 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: where | 03:57 |
| jpatrick | here | 03:57 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: fancy adding kbfx too? :) | 03:57 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: sure | 03:58 |
| ZuZubuntu-fr | hello Riddell ;) | 03:58 |
| jpatrick | as long as you can get me past FeatureFreeze | 03:58 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: I'm sure we can work something out | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: do you want me to upload kmplayer packages ? | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | as you don't have access to sources | 03:58 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: upload to where? | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: .......... | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: upload kmplayer and wait for ufv exception ? | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | upload to ubuntu sorry ? | 04:01 |
| Riddell | follow whatever the current practice is for new packages | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: revu ;) | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | we need to get it revied in the first place I assume | 04:02 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | and same for knetworkmanager | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | (which still ftbfs.....) | 04:03 |
| Riddell | yeah, put that up too, I'll take a look in a bit | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 04:04 |
| jpatrick | arg, I need a long desc for Kerry | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: raphink's repo is broken too....... | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | as there been an apt upate recently ? | 04:07 |
| Tm_T | please hit me when I next time think trying composite things | 04:08 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: all kubuntu patch for qt-3.3.5 can be removed | 04:10 |
| Riddell | freeflying: great, that makes things easier :) | 04:11 |
| freeflying | Riddell: just change the build-dep | 04:11 |
| jpatrick | how on earth does Kerry have a 1998 copyright? | 04:15 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: GPL-2 | 04:18 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: kerrylabel.h: Copyright (C) 1998 Kurt Granroth <granroth@kde.org> | 04:18 |
| Lure | freeflying: would it make sense to put also new qt to Tonio_'s test repo - it works for me | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: need to make the repo working first ;) | 04:20 |
| freeflying | Lure: I'd like to , and Riddell has asked for UVFe, so we can wait for approved | 04:21 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: so strange :) how can it happen at 1998 | 04:21 |
| Lure | there are quite some users of Tonio_ repo due to n-m testing, therefore we could abuse them ;-) | 04:21 |
| Lure | freeflying: cut&paste? | 04:22 |
| freeflying | Lure: ? | 04:22 |
| Lure | freeflying: I was taking about (c) of kerry | 04:23 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: it have use some kde libraries hehe | 04:25 |
| Lure | freeflying: kerry just depends on libbeagle0, but what do I need to install to configure things to index? | 04:26 |
| freeflying | Lure: seems need beagle | 04:27 |
| Lure | whole beagle with GNOME/Mono cruft? | 04:27 |
| freeflying | Lure: it's just a kde fronted for beagle | 04:27 |
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| Lure | freeflying: will try this mono bloat - I anyway plan to reinstall with Flight6 | 04:28 |
| freeflying | Lure: flight6 is out ? | 04:29 |
| Lure | planned for wed this week | 04:29 |
| Lure | we will have to rethink keyboard shortcuts: katapult: Apt+Space, Yakuake: F12, kerry: F12 or Alt-Space :-( | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: is my repo working for you ? | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | do you get an error message when apt-get update ? | 04:34 |
| freeflying | Lure: Alt+Space confilct with kerry :) | 04:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: update now works (did not half an hour ago) | 04:34 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: I can not access to your repo hehe | 04:35 |
| Lure | freeflying: actually both kerry shortcuts conflict with two apps I use regulary | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: do you get an error message on gpg key ? | 04:35 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: no - apt-get update just works | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: amazing......... | 04:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: should I try installing something? Something new there? ;-) | 04:36 |
| Riddell | Alt Gr+Space? | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | this is what I get......... | 04:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: on what? | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: on my repo :) | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand why, that was working nicelly one hour ago........ | 04:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: not bad idea, however Alt-Ctrl+Space is used by kerry for search for current selection | 04:37 |
| Lure | this is why Alt+Space (or Ctrl+Space) might be better | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry, bad copy/paste ;) http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | not yours ;) | 04:37 |
| freeflying | Lure: Ctrl+space is for scim | 04:38 |
| Riddell | freeflying: did you see that skim/openoffice bug? | 04:39 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I can not reproduce then | 04:39 |
| Lure | I would suggest Win+Space, but I know that some platoform do not have it.... | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: should be working now | 04:40 |
| freeflying | Lure: how win+space on ppc :) | 04:41 |
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| Lure | this beagle looks like Windows: ps -ef | grep beagle: | 04:41 |
| Lure | beagled --debug /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --bg | 04:41 |
| Lure | :-( | 04:41 |
| Lure | freeflying: exactly - is there any other magic key on ppc that could be used instead of Win? | 04:42 |
| freeflying | Lure: apple's | 04:42 |
| Lure | freeflying: is it also used for global shortcuts on MacOSX? where is it located? Any use of it in KDE? | 04:43 |
| freeflying | Lure: I seldom use it under kde, it like win under OSX | 04:44 |
| Lure | top | 04:44 |
| Riddell | Lure: that'll be Mono for you | 04:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: mono is running .exe stuff? - this is really ugly... | 04:46 |
| Riddell | that's what happens if you base your platform on a clone of Microsoft | 04:46 |
| freeflying | Lure: maybe you can write a beagle like stuff using pur C++ , :) | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: uploading kmplayer on revu | 04:48 |
| Lure | freeflying: yes, it is really sad that kat is so much behind beagle... | 04:48 |
| freeflying | Lure: kat is too buggy now | 04:49 |
| Lure | freeflying: I know... :-( But beagled will soon by next memory hug (just behind firefox) | 04:49 |
| Lure | s/by/be/ | 04:50 |
| Lure | seen bug 36713 ;-) | 04:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36713 in Ubuntu "having Kubuntu Beasties and Kubuntu Team is confusing" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36713 | 04:50 |
| Riddell | :) | 04:51 |
| Riddell | well, you can't delete or merge teams, so not much I can do | 04:52 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I don't see it | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2189 | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | when you want to have a look | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2188 | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | here it is | 04:54 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I ssh'ed to Tiber | 04:54 |
| raphink | toma: are you there? | 04:55 |
| freeflying | Riddell: cmake's UVFe hasn't been approved yet | 04:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: wasn't there some discussion about renaming it to network-manager-kde? | 04:55 |
| toma | raphink: yes | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done :) | 04:55 |
| raphink | :) | 04:55 |
| Riddell | freeflying: where did you request it? | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I didn't rename the sources, but the binary package | 04:55 |
| raphink | toma: i've got a bug with kcontrol wondering if you have an y idea on it | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is called network-manager-kde*.deb | 04:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: should I rename the sources too ? | 04:55 |
| raphink | toma: http://pastebin.com/623253 | 04:55 |
| freeflying | Riddell: filed bug on launchpad and asign to moruuvf , also sendd mail to ubuntu-motu | 04:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: i think we just have to wait | 04:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: not sure, leave it for now I think | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 04:56 |
| raphink | toma: seems to be called by http://pastebin.com/623254 | 04:57 |
| raphink | I don't get what's happening with this :s | 04:57 |
| toma | raphink: there is no signal changed() | 04:57 |
| raphink | seems to be a problem with the desktop files for these modules | 04:57 |
| raphink | hmmm | 04:57 |
| toma | raphink: but i see a signal changed(bool) | 04:57 |
| raphink | which means? | 04:57 |
| toma | try cchanging line 33 | 04:58 |
| toma | in changed(bool) instead of changed() (the first one only) | 04:58 |
| raphink | ah ok | 04:58 |
| raphink | and same for the next one I guess | 04:59 |
| raphink | well there's somthing you don't see in this trace | 04:59 |
| raphink | i get dialog messages saying | 04:59 |
| raphink | "Cannot find module "" | 04:59 |
| raphink | Details : | 04:59 |
| raphink | Diagnosis is : | 04:59 |
| raphink | Impossible to find file "desktop" () | 05:00 |
| raphink | I get it twice, and it says it again in the tabs where the LISa and kio slave should be | 05:00 |
| toma | hmm, that could be related, if the signal comes from there | 05:00 |
| raphink | ok | 05:01 |
| raphink | let's see | 05:01 |
| raphink | a stupid question : | 05:01 |
| raphink | is there a way I can test that witout recompiling the whole kdebase package? | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if the decision is somehow to not use kaffeine but kmplayer for konqueror embedded reading | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we split the kaffeine package ? | 05:01 |
| toma | i dont see a KCMError or kcmkio in that piece of code | 05:01 |
| toma | raphink: so, it might not be the correct piece of code, which errors | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | to avoid conflicts in konqueror's config ? | 05:02 |
| freeflying | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10847 --< krita crashed using koffice1.5rc1 | 05:02 |
| raphink | btw, this is kdebase-3.5.2/kcontrol/kio/main.cpp | 05:02 |
| toma | raphink: you can only recompile the kio part if you have not cleaned youre build dir | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: your opinion ? | 05:03 |
| raphink | how do I do that? | 05:03 |
| toma | type 'make' in the kio folder ;-) | 05:03 |
| raphink | ok | 05:03 |
| raphink | but then I have to install it, too | 05:03 |
| toma | make install | 05:03 |
| raphink | well sure ;) | 05:03 |
| raphink | $ make | 05:04 |
| raphink | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. | 05:04 |
| raphink | huhu | 05:04 |
| raphink | I guess I have to recompile the whole kcontrol | 05:05 |
| toma | did you build it before? | 05:05 |
| toma | builddir=srcdir ? | 05:05 |
| raphink | no I didn't build it before | 05:05 |
| raphink | ti's the package though | 05:05 |
| raphink | not the svn | 05:05 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: REVU finished building | 05:05 |
| toma | raphink: then you must rebuild all | 05:06 |
| raphink | :( | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: we have a few packages to get revued | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: wlassistant, knetworkmanager and kmplayer | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | we should ask on #ubuntu-motu | 05:07 |
| toma | raphink: hang on | 05:07 |
| raphink | ok | 05:07 |
| raphink | well although it's longer I prefer to do it that way anyway toma | 05:07 |
| raphink | it's cleaner | 05:07 |
| raphink | doesn't bork my system as much | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: is my repo still unavailable for you ? | 05:10 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: yep | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: strange........ | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | certainly a local problem........ | 05:11 |
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| toma | raphink: the messages are caused by the error that the desktop file is not found | 05:14 |
| raphink | yes | 05:14 |
| toma | raphink: the question is why is it not found | 05:14 |
| raphink | indeed | 05:14 |
| raphink | well they don't seem to exist | 05:16 |
| raphink | at least I don't see were they are | 05:17 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: also cmake | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: hu ? | 05:18 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: UVFe | 05:18 |
| raphink | brb | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: ah ? | 05:18 |
| toma | raphink: which file? lanbrowser.desktop? | 05:19 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: cmake also need UVFe hehe | 05:19 |
| raphink | lanbrowser.desktop only opens the lanbrowser module | 05:19 |
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| raphink | but it seems there should be desktop files for the LISa and lan:/ kio slave modules too | 05:19 |
| raphink | yet they don't seem to exist | 05:20 |
| toma | do you know the correct names? | 05:20 |
| raphink | no | 05:20 |
| raphink | lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: okay ;) | 05:20 |
| raphink | the kcmlisa module doesn't exist | 05:20 |
| Riddell | kioslaves use .protocol files | 05:20 |
| raphink | in kcmshell --list | 05:20 |
| raphink | because the desktop file doesn't exist | 05:21 |
| raphink | imo | 05:21 |
| raphink | I'm not sure what name and attributes should be used for this desktop file | 05:21 |
| raphink | if that is the problem | 05:21 |
| raphink | I can try making one | 05:22 |
| raphink | and seeing if that works | 05:22 |
| raphink | let's see | 05:22 |
| raphink | ah I got it I think toma | 05:23 |
| raphink | I created a kcmlisa.desktop | 05:23 |
| raphink | and now I get another error | 05:23 |
| raphink | :) | 05:23 |
| toma | raphink: ok, great | 05:23 |
| raphink | it says the desktop file and the lib were found | 05:24 |
| raphink | but the module couldn't be charged properly | 05:24 |
| raphink | I guess because the attributes I've put for the desktop files are not good | 05:24 |
| raphink | KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kio.so: undefined symbol: create_kcmlisa | 05:24 |
| raphink | that's the new error | 05:25 |
| raphink | kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kio.so: undefined symbol: create_kcmlisa | 05:25 |
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| raphink | it suggests the create_ function is proably missing | 05:25 |
| toma | yep. | 05:26 |
| raphink | indeed | 05:26 |
| raphink | while create_smb and create_lanbrowser exist | 05:27 |
| raphink | create_kcmlisa is not declared | 05:27 |
| raphink | so I guess | 05:27 |
| raphink | KDE_EXPORT KCModule *create_kcmlisa(QWidget *parent, const char /**name*/) | 05:27 |
| raphink | shoudl work, no? | 05:27 |
| raphink | hmmm | 05:28 |
| raphink | or it should use another lib than kio | 05:30 |
| toma | i'm sorry, i''m not familiar with it at all | 05:31 |
| raphink | np | 05:32 |
| raphink | I'll keep trying to understand that | 05:32 |
| raphink | I guess the kcm libs are in kdelibs | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: shouldn't we make kmplayer depending xine instead of gstreamer ? | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | and then only "suggest" gstreamer ? | 05:34 |
| jpatrick | good point | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm doing this | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: and if we use kmplayer for video in konq, we should split out libs from kaffeine package | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | and not install them | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | that should avoid conflicts and configuration problems | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: agree on that point ? | 05:35 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: were can the internal video player can be configured in konqueror ? | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | it still uses kaffeine for me | 05:37 |
| jpatrick | not sure, will have to look it up | 05:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which? | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the fact that if we decide to use kmplayerto read files in konqueror, we should split kaffeine | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | and not install the konqueror embedded player | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | to avoid conflicts | 05:39 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: I think it should be possible to just set the priority for the kmplayer part higher than kaffeine's | 05:39 |
| Riddell | (I think) | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but that's hudge config...... because it has to be set for each extension ;) | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | I'm just looking at the configuration actually | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | but yes, that can be done with k-d-s | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm patching kmplayer to use xine by default, and then work on k-d-s | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: do you know how to set the default engine in the soruce package ? configure option ? | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | kmplayerrc | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, so simple ;) | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | there was a .diff in the package | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | yes but I removed it....... | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | is the kmplayerrc going to kmplayer-base binary ? | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | I assume yes | 05:46 |
| jpatrick | yes | 05:46 |
| raphink | toma: it seems to me like these modules are actually not implemented | 05:47 |
| raphink | at all | 05:47 |
| raphink | like someone add the tabs to do the job | 05:48 |
| raphink | but never finished implementing it | 05:48 |
| raphink | toma: there's no function to create them and no cpp that implement what should be in them | 05:49 |
| toma | i could not find anything in kdebase either | 05:51 |
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| Riddell | who is mario.danic? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | hello _maydayjay_ | 05:59 |
| Lure | Riddell: Pygi | 05:59 |
| Lure | he worked with _ion on n-m test packages | 05:59 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 06:00 |
| jpatrick | hmm: W: kerry: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/shutdown/ | 06:07 |
| seaLne | mornfall: the latest adept is looking good | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: patching kmplayerrc doesn't work....... it still uses mplayer by default....... | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | /etc/kde3/kmplayerrc is only used as a basefor the config file in your profile, but I can setparameters with k-d-s | 06:08 |
| mornfall | seaLne: that's good :-) | 06:08 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: going to debconf? | 06:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it's starting to look like it | 06:09 |
| Riddell | mornfall: are you giving a talk? | 06:10 |
| mornfall | Riddell: no talk (no slots) | 06:10 |
| mornfall | Riddell: BoF about libapt-front though (if it works) | 06:10 |
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| jpatrick | how do I get a debhelper rules file to install manpages? | 06:15 |
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| seaLne | dh_installdocs ? | 06:16 |
| seaLne | or is it something else | 06:16 |
| Riddell | dh_installmanpages | 06:17 |
| Riddell | and add the names to foo.manpages files | 06:18 |
| seaLne | ah | 06:19 |
| Riddell | I think :) | 06:20 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: the configuration of kmplayer is a pain........ | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | damn..... | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: it can only read parameters from ~ | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | means that we have to patch sources to make usage of xine by default | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | not only kmplayerrc | 06:25 |
| raphink | toma: install the lisa package and try again | 06:25 |
| raphink | ;) | 06:26 |
| toma | raphink: that simple? | 06:27 |
| raphink | yes | 06:27 |
| raphink | but we have a problem here | 06:27 |
| raphink | because lisa is in universe | 06:27 |
| raphink | which means kcontrol _requires_ a package in universe to work properly | 06:27 |
| raphink | so the options I see are : | 06:27 |
| raphink | 1) make kcontrol hide these tabs unless lisa is installed | 06:28 |
| raphink | 2) get lisa in main and have kcontrol depend on it | 06:28 |
| raphink | 3) have kcontrol display a message about installing the lisa package when it's not installed | 06:28 |
| raphink | I don't think we can possibly keep it like this | 06:28 |
| raphink | with kcontrol displaying an error each time you try to load this module | 06:28 |
| raphink | or systemsettings | 06:29 |
| raphink | what do you think? | 06:29 |
| raphink | Riddell: what do you think, too? | 06:29 |
| toma | raphink: i can not judge the implications, i leave it to you and Riddell. a popup is the minimum i guess | 06:30 |
| Riddell | raphink: I've not been following | 06:31 |
| raphink | Riddell: ok well | 06:31 |
| raphink | launch kcmshell lanbrowser | 06:31 |
| raphink | what do you get? | 06:31 |
| Riddell | "The module could not be found." | 06:31 |
| Riddell | hmm | 06:31 |
| raphink | yep | 06:31 |
| raphink | now install the lisa package | 06:32 |
| raphink | and try again | 06:32 |
| raphink | ;) | 06:32 |
| Riddell | that's all quite broken | 06:32 |
| raphink | no it's not broken | 06:32 |
| raphink | it just requires the lisa pakcage to be installed | 06:32 |
| raphink | but the lisa package is in universe | 06:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how does your knetworkmanager package compare with the debian one? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/experimental/knetworkmanager/debian/ | 06:32 |
| raphink | so we have a problem | 06:33 |
| Riddell | I don't want lisa in main | 06:33 |
| raphink | Riddell: cause that means kcontrol requires a package that's in universe to work properly | 06:33 |
| raphink | Riddell: and taht's fine | 06:33 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:33 |
| raphink | but then we need to provide an alternative | 06:33 |
| raphink | [18:27] <raphink> so the options I see are : | 06:33 |
| raphink | [18:28] <raphink> 1) make kcontrol hide these tabs unless lisa is installed | 06:33 |
| raphink | [18:28] <raphink> 2) get lisa in main and have kcontrol depend on it | 06:33 |
| raphink | [18:28] <raphink> 3) have kcontrol display a message about installing the lisa package when it's not installed | 06:33 |
| raphink | [18:28] <raphink> I don't think we can possibly keep it like this | 06:34 |
| raphink | [18:28] <raphink> with kcontrol displaying an error each time you try to load this module | 06:34 |
| raphink | with no explanation | 06:34 |
| Riddell | yes, the tabs should say "install lisa to enable" or something | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have no lintian errors, so I don't override anything | 06:34 |
| raphink | maybe we could patch kcontrol so the default behaviour adds support for the list and kio lan:/ module | 06:34 |
| raphink | only displaying these infos | 06:35 |
| raphink | s/list/lisa/ | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: my package uses cdbs, and not only debhelper | 06:35 |
| raphink | Riddell: why is it that you don't want lisa in main though? | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is quite different in fact..... | 06:36 |
| raphink | Riddell: the lan:/ protocol is pretty useful | 06:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, we should remember to send them a friendly e-mail when knetworkmanager is in our archives | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that a problem ? | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course ;) | 06:37 |
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| Riddell | raphink: it's also unmaintained and superceded by zeroconf | 06:37 |
| raphink | ok | 06:37 |
| raphink | as long as zeroconf:/ works | 06:38 |
| raphink | ... | 06:38 |
| hunger | Riddell: Apropos zeroconf: Any chance of getting some more zeroconf-config files into dapper? | 06:38 |
| hunger | Riddell: I raised a bug about that a while back with the necessary files attached (someone even turned them into a diff IIRC). | 06:39 |
| hunger | Riddell: It is not nice to have kubuntu ignore perfectly valid services that work fine in ubuntu. | 06:40 |
| hunger | Riddell: See #33034 for FISH and sFTP support. | 06:41 |
| hunger | Is there a way to list installed kio-slaves by the way? | 06:42 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: Kerry waiting in revu | 06:42 |
| jpatrick | this apps pretty cool | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 06:47 |
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| mornfall | superstoned: possibly-known problem | 06:50 |
| mornfall | superstoned: i'll try to recall to fix it for next release =) | 06:50 |
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| apachelogger | raphink: ping | 06:55 |
| jpatrick | hi apachelogger | 06:59 |
| apachelogger | ahoy jpatrick | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: you know if I have to write down any copyright of the sources in the copyright file? | 07:03 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes, anything significant should be in there | 07:04 |
| apachelogger | ok | 07:04 |
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| Riddell | in practice though many packages only list the main author | 07:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/623478 proper design? | 07:08 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: looks good to me | 07:11 |
| apachelogger | ok, thx | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a little isue with kmplayer....... | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | impossible to build it with gstreamer support without gstreamer depandancy | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea ? | 07:14 |
| raphink | toma: do you think "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() )) or noLisa()" defining a noLisa() function would work? | 07:15 |
| raphink | Riddell: would that work? | 07:17 |
| toma | raphink: noLisa() determines if lisa is installed? | 07:17 |
| raphink | no | 07:17 |
| raphink | it would just display a message using QString | 07:17 |
| raphink | so if it can't connect, it shows a message | 07:17 |
| raphink | telling people to install the package | 07:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if kmplayer is to go into main and it only has gstreamer 0.8 support, don't build it with gstreamer support | 07:18 |
| raphink | so I would define a noLisa() function that just displays a message using QString | 07:18 |
| raphink | and call | 07:18 |
| raphink | "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() )) or noLisa();" | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, it only supports 0.8 | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks for the info :) | 07:18 |
| raphink | instead of "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() ));" | 07:18 |
| raphink | would that work toma? | 07:18 |
| toma | raphink: that can be done, maybe in a tiny bit of other syntax, but it is ugly. cant we see if the desktop file is installed? | 07:19 |
| toma | or the package rather | 07:19 |
| raphink | toma: I guess we could see, but I'm not sure how | 07:19 |
| raphink | toma: well we'd need some apt library to check that | 07:19 |
| raphink | and I don't think we want kdebase to build-depend on some apt library | 07:19 |
| raphink | no? | 07:19 |
| raphink | furthermore it should work if people have installed lisa without the package, too | 07:20 |
| raphink | like if they've built it manually | 07:20 |
| raphink | which is why I thought of doing it this way toma | 07:22 |
| raphink | would that prevent from having the errors though? | 07:22 |
| toma | connect returns a bool, so i guess it is possible, but I dont think it is a proper way of programming | 07:25 |
| toma | if (! connect(bla)) kmessagebox:whatever; | 07:26 |
| raphink | ah yes right | 07:26 |
| raphink | it will try to connect anyway | 07:26 |
| toma | but people would have already have two errors anyway | 07:26 |
| raphink | ? | 07:27 |
| toma | i see already two popups when doing kmshell lanbrowser | 07:27 |
| toma | they are not caused by the failing connect | 07:27 |
| raphink | I think they are | 07:28 |
| raphink | indirectly | 07:28 |
| raphink | lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); | 07:28 |
| raphink | if (lisaPage) | 07:28 |
| raphink | { | 07:28 |
| raphink | tabs.addTab(lisaPage,i18n("&LISa Daemon")); | 07:28 |
| raphink | connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() )); | 07:28 |
| raphink | } | 07:28 |
| raphink | this is executed | 07:28 |
| raphink | so lisaPage doesn't fail | 07:28 |
| raphink | so imo it's the connect that fails | 07:28 |
| toma | the loadModule will give the popup, not the connect | 07:29 |
| raphink | why then is the if(lisaPage) executed ? | 07:29 |
| raphink | if there is a failure in the loadModule | 07:29 |
| raphink | :s | 07:29 |
| raphink | oooh ic | 07:30 |
| raphink | toma: KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); returns the content to be displayed on the page right? | 07:30 |
| toma | loadmodule does not return a bool afaisee | 07:30 |
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| raphink | so as it returns the error message that the module can't be found | 07:31 |
| raphink | this is what is displayed on the page | 07:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: got fix for WPA-PSK from knm author | 07:31 |
| raphink | :) | 07:31 |
| toma | raphink: indeed | 07:31 |
| raphink | toma: so unless I patch loadModule itself, I'll keep having the error message anyway | 07:32 |
| toma | well, these error messages are harmless, i would ignore them | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: give it to me ;) | 07:32 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just discussing with author if we can get newer snapshot - they have SuSE RC1 tommorow at 18:00 | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: including the patch ? | 07:33 |
| Lure | yes | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: let's wait tomorrow then | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | the package ftbfs anyway....... | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | there is no emergency then | 07:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: exactly... I am anyway testing r5923+patch | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | lure: okay | 07:35 |
| raphink | toma: I could patch moduleloader in kdelibs | 07:36 |
| toma | to do what? not print connect failes ? | 07:36 |
| toma | you need to patch qt ;-) | 07:37 |
| raphink | hmmm | 07:37 |
| raphink | no | 07:37 |
| raphink | so when it fails with lisa, it shows another message | 07:38 |
| toma | ah ok | 07:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have something else for you (after some more test): new powersave (new upstream + removal of acpid divert) | 07:38 |
| toma | raphink: thats good | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: why not :) | 07:38 |
| raphink | toma: IF I can do that ;) | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | although there are very poor chances we get powersave in ;) | 07:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I will just run some more test, then I can send to you | 07:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is it fine if I just send .dsc, .diff.gz + you pick original from mbiebl site? | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: great :) | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | yes, just send me the source package, that's okay | 07:40 |
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| raphink | toma: | 07:40 |
| raphink | if ( !mod.service() ) | 07:40 |
| raphink | { | 07:41 |
| raphink | return reportError( report, | 07:41 |
| raphink | i18n("The module %1 could not be found.") | 07:41 |
| raphink | .arg( mod.moduleName() ), i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()), parent ); | 07:41 |
| raphink | } | 07:41 |
| raphink | should be easy to patch :) | 07:41 |
| toma | that is not the error we see, it has no filename in there | 07:41 |
| raphink | that is the error that is sent | 07:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: SuSE is already on 0.6.1+ version and some API changed :-( | 07:42 |
| raphink | to the box | 07:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: means more work for us to follow with packages :-( | 07:42 |
| raphink | and shown in the tab | 07:42 |
| raphink | toma: this is the msg I want to patch | 07:42 |
| toma | raphink: no, your code implies that a filename is send, which is not visible in the popup i receive | 07:42 |
| raphink | hmm | 07:43 |
| raphink | let me see | 07:43 |
| raphink | toma: http://pastebin.com/623550 | 07:43 |
| raphink | that is the whole function | 07:43 |
| raphink | so this is indeed where the error is called | 07:45 |
| toma | ok, well I can only repeat myself, it is not the error i see, but it can be changed for 3.5.2 | 07:47 |
| raphink | no I have the same error on kde 3.5.1 | 07:49 |
| raphink | I don't talk about the message in console | 07:49 |
| raphink | I talk about the message in the popup | 07:49 |
| raphink | which says "The module "" can't be found" | 07:50 |
| raphink | you don't have that toma? | 07:50 |
| raphink | could not be found, sorry | 07:50 |
| toma | no, so it has changed, then you are fine. | 07:51 |
| raphink | ok | 07:51 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can I upload this package? | 07:58 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: which? | 07:59 |
| jpatrick | Kerry | 08:00 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: it has to be revu-ed first | 08:00 |
| jpatrick | which it is at | 08:00 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: check e-mail - more details on knm | 08:01 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: hang on, I'll take a look | 08:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: okay, thanks | 08:02 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: have you tested your patch for gstreamer by default in kmplayer | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't work...... | 08:03 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: if licence is GPL 2 (and not later) debian/copyright should point to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 | 08:04 |
| jpatrick | fixed | 08:06 |
| raphink | toma: is if ( mod == "kcmlisa" || mod == "kcmkiolan" ) proper c++ ? | 08:09 |
| toma | raphink: zeker | 08:09 |
| raphink | zeker? | 08:10 |
| toma | sure ;-) | 08:10 |
| raphink | ah ok :) | 08:10 |
| raphink | sorry for the stupid questions | 08:10 |
| raphink | but given the time needed to test it | 08:10 |
| raphink | I prefer to be sure of the code before spening 1 hour compiling | 08:10 |
| toma | raphink: mail me the patch, i can check if it compiles pretty fast | 08:11 |
| raphink | ok thanks :) | 08:11 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: reuploaded | 08:11 |
| raphink | what should be the object type to use for the message toma? | 08:14 |
| raphink | :s | 08:15 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: it should run make distclean in the clean rule | 08:16 |
| toma | raphink: you mean: KMessageBox::information ? | 08:16 |
| raphink | that's what I have to use ? | 08:16 |
| raphink | so | 08:16 |
| jpatrick | remove make clean ? | 08:17 |
| raphink | return KMessageBox::information(i18n("my message")); is fine ? | 08:17 |
| toma | no | 08:17 |
| raphink | :( | 08:17 |
| raphink | toma: how do you use it ? | 08:17 |
| raphink | so sorry for my stupid questions | 08:17 |
| toma | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKMessageBox.html#e30 | 08:18 |
| raphink | why can't I use Qlabel ? | 08:18 |
| toma | raphink: first param is 0 | 08:18 |
| toma | information(0,i18n()); | 08:18 |
| raphink | ok | 08:19 |
| raphink | what is the difference with Qlabel ? | 08:19 |
| toma | Oh well, do you want a popup, or a message on the tab? | 08:19 |
| raphink | I want a message in the tab | 08:19 |
| raphink | not a popup | 08:19 |
| toma | a, qlabel | 08:19 |
| raphink | yes | 08:19 |
| toma | QLabel is fine then | 08:20 |
| toma | sorry for the confusion | 08:20 |
| raphink | so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message") ? | 08:20 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: there's no make rule | 08:20 |
| raphink | QLabel ( const QString & text, QWidget * parent, const char * name = 0, WFlags f = 0 ) | 08:20 |
| raphink | or would that be | 08:20 |
| Riddell | po/ doesn't get compiled | 08:20 |
| raphink | so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message",0) ? | 08:20 |
| raphink | since I have to define the parent | 08:20 |
| toma | Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0) | 08:21 |
| toma | (you were missing a ) | 08:21 |
| toma | (you were missing a )) | 08:21 |
| toma | (you were missing a ')') | 08:21 |
| raphink | hmm yes | 08:21 |
| raphink | right | 08:21 |
| raphink | is the 0 mandatory I mean? | 08:21 |
| toma | yes | 08:21 |
| raphink | in this case | 08:21 |
| raphink | ok | 08:21 |
| raphink | so it's | 08:21 |
| raphink | so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message",0)) | 08:21 |
| raphink | oops no | 08:21 |
| raphink | so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0) | 08:21 |
| raphink | this :) | 08:21 |
| toma | yep | 08:22 |
| raphink | and I can just return it | 08:22 |
| Lure | Tonio_: new powersave is in your mailbox | 08:22 |
| raphink | return Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0) | 08:22 |
| raphink | and it should display the message in the tab | 08:22 |
| raphink | right? | 08:22 |
| === Lure will grab some food | ||
| === jpatrick too | ||
| toma | raphink: which line are you changing in the 623550 pastbin code? | 08:24 |
| raphink | 9-14 | 08:24 |
| raphink | I replace it with | 08:24 |
| raphink | http://pastebin.com/623614 | 08:25 |
| raphink | is that fine? | 08:25 |
| raphink | oops | 08:25 |
| raphink | it lacks a bit of the message | 08:25 |
| raphink | hehe | 08:25 |
| raphink | you get the idea though | 08:26 |
| toma | mod == "kcmlisa" ? Is mod a qstring? | 08:26 |
| raphink | hmmm | 08:26 |
| raphink | I guess not :s | 08:26 |
| toma | i think that should be mod.moduleName() == "kcmlisa" | 08:26 |
| raphink | ok you're right | 08:27 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: ping plz ? | 08:27 |
| raphink | :) | 08:27 |
| toma | raphink: what does reportError() do? | 08:28 |
| raphink | I guess it displays the error in an error box | 08:28 |
| raphink | as it does now | 08:28 |
| toma | raphink: i think that causes the popup | 08:29 |
| raphink | yes it does | 08:29 |
| raphink | and I want to avoid the popup | 08:29 |
| raphink | which is why I do that | 08:29 |
| toma | yes, but you can not return a qlabel like that instead | 08:29 |
| raphink | why? | 08:30 |
| raphink | the fact is that the content of the reportError is displayed in the tab | 08:30 |
| raphink | in addition to causing the popup | 08:31 |
| toma | indeed, so use the reportError() function, but with a different text | 08:31 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: ping | 08:31 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: are you able to get kerry to actually do anything? | 08:31 |
| raphink | no | 08:31 |
| toma | raphink: that is the easiest way to solve this | 08:31 |
| raphink | cause I want no popup toma | 08:31 |
| raphink | I just want an info in the tab | 08:31 |
| toma | then you have to write a new reportErrorNoPopup | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: there is an issue with kmplayer | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't read the global kmplayerrc file | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | no way....... | 08:32 |
| toma | raphink: visitors, sorry bbl | 08:32 |
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| raphink | ok | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | I put it everywhere (/usr/share/config, /etc/kde3/, /usr/share/apps/kmplayer) | 08:32 |
| jpatrick | :| | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: it doesn't read it except from ~/.kde/share/config | 08:33 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: ok, done | 08:33 |
| raphink | toma_: http://pastebin.com/623628 | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I saw searching google, that you already saw that issue, so do you have an idea ? | 08:33 |
| jpatrick | saw what issue? | 08:33 |
| jpatrick | where? | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | on your blog :) | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | you blogged about that kmplayerrc file | 08:34 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: damn ;) | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 08:34 |
| jpatrick | forgot about that place | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | I was just wondering what to do with it....... | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | it appears in the source that it always create a default config........ | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | i don't understand why...... | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | I may try with old version | 08:35 |
| raphink | I'll try this way | 08:36 |
| Lure | Riddell: kerry actually work for me - I use package from freeflying | 08:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: you need to start daemon and define what to scan, then it takes some time | 08:41 |
| Riddell | Lure: how do I do that? | 08:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: you need to install "beagle" package (I suppose kerry should depend on it as no use without) | 08:42 |
| Riddell | yep, it does | 08:42 |
| Lure | then in main search window you will be able to start daemon (it offered me there) | 08:43 |
| Riddell | beagled running too | 08:43 |
| Riddell | in kerry? | 08:43 |
| Lure | OK, check "Configure kerry" and see Indexing tab | 08:43 |
| raphink | bbl | 08:43 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: needs /usr/bin/beagled which is in 'beagle' | 08:43 |
| Lure | yes, kerry offered me to start daemon (in main page) | 08:43 |
| === Lure has to good night story for my daughter ;-) | ||
| jpatrick | Riddell: final verdict? | 08:47 |
| Riddell | beagled seems to keep quitting on me | 08:47 |
| jpatrick | works like a charm here | 08:48 |
| Riddell | how do I start the gnome frontend? | 08:48 |
| jpatrick | beagle? | 08:49 |
| Riddell | no such program | 08:49 |
| Riddell | oh! | 08:51 |
| Riddell | I have to click the Find button! | 08:51 |
| toma_ | raphink: in that case you can return " new KCMError( i18n("install bla"), i18n("some details"), parent ); " instead of the qlabel | 08:52 |
| === toma_ is gone for a while | ||
| Riddell | that goes against every other search line in KDE, and the UI clears when you type something so you think that it's going the searching | 08:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: =) | 08:53 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: err | 08:53 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2196 | 08:56 |
| raphink | toma_: I'm building with the Qlabel | 08:57 |
| raphink | so we'll see what we get | 08:57 |
| raphink | the tab surely doesn't ask for a KCMError type | 08:58 |
| raphink | that would be weird | 08:58 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: done, uploaded(revu) | 09:04 |
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| raphink | Riddell: where do we fix kde ? in kde 3.5.2 or still in dapper ? | 09:07 |
| Riddell | raphink: easiest if you send me the patch and I'll put it in my 3.5.2 packages | 09:07 |
| raphink | ok | 09:08 |
| raphink | so I don't put it in the kde 3.5.1 packages in dapper ? | 09:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: have you noticed how dark selection of new Kubuntu theme hides name of file in kerry? ;-) | 09:08 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 09:08 |
| Riddell | was just pondering that | 09:08 |
| Riddell | hmm, network manager 0.6.1 doesn't want to compile for me | 09:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: really? what is the problem? | 09:09 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2197 | 09:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: using offical or Tonio repo for sources? | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf........... | 09:10 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is my powersave giving you hard time? ;-) | 09:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nope, I'm having problems with kmplayer | 09:11 |
| Tonio_ | this stupid app doesn't want to read default config | 09:11 |
| === Lure getting addicted to kerry... ;-) | ||
| jpatrick | Lure: welcome to the club | 09:12 |
| jpatrick | now if Riddell would let me upload.... | 09:14 |
| === Lure amazed how much cool Kubuntu stuff is being cooked just now (kerry, kmplayer, knm, kpowersave... ;-)) | ||
| Tonio_ | what is that kerry ? | 09:15 |
| jpatrick | kbfx when I get round to it | 09:15 |
| Lure | KDE front-end to beagle search | 09:15 |
| jpatrick | a KDE frontend to Beagle | 09:15 |
| Tonio_ | k | 09:15 |
| raphink | jpatrick: ah cool | 09:15 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer kat personnaly ;) | 09:15 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yeap, but that does not work at all in kubuntu:-( | 09:16 |
| Lure | Tonio_: try kerry and you will change your mind | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: true | 09:16 |
| === Lure hates Mono, but also like "just-works" principle | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: why "hating" | 09:16 |
| Lure | it is a bloat and you get Beagle.exe and stuff in your ps output ;-) | 09:17 |
| Riddell | how is it bloat? | 09:17 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Did you see how big that runtime is? And that gets installed for a few apps only. | 09:17 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot16av.png | 09:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have played with different Mono apps and they look nice, but memory consumption is huge | 09:18 |
| Lure | I suppose due to fancy memory mgmt features of Mono/C# | 09:18 |
| hunger | Lure: It is a VM with garbage collection. | 09:18 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: like java, or ay other backend :) | 09:18 |
| Riddell | Lure: is it worse than e.g. python? | 09:18 |
| hunger | Lure: That does not go well with memory management. | 09:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: IMHO, yes | 09:19 |
| hunger | So where is kerry? | 09:19 |
| Riddell | hunger: revu | 09:19 |
| jpatrick | with me waiting ;) | 09:19 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: 2 seconds.. | 09:19 |
| hunger | Hmmm... no debs... nothing for me then;-) | 09:20 |
| hunger | I will hate it for using mono anyway;-) | 09:20 |
| Riddell | mono is evil it's true | 09:21 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: one more issue :( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2197 | 09:23 |
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| Tonio_ | okay, jpatrick, I found the problem....... | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | the standard kmplayer reads the config file | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | but not the embedded player | 09:24 |
| Lure | Tonio_: :-( - stupid | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes.......... | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | but that's it | 09:25 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: ok, done, now? | 09:25 |
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| Lure | hi Pygi | 09:26 |
| Pygi | hi Lure | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I assume that's simple to patch, but I can't do it | 09:26 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: you broke something again? ^_^ | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ?? | 09:27 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: bah, nevermind | 09:27 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: can you advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198, thank you | 09:30 |
| Lure | mbiebl: ping | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: reviewing | 09:31 |
| mbiebl | Lure, hi | 09:32 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I have reverted your acpid divert as it have caused regression for hotkeys (ibm, toshiba) | 09:33 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: advocated! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198 | 09:33 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: poke raphink or Tonio_ or someone for a second revu | 09:33 |
| Lure | mbiebl: good thing is that powersave still works fine | 09:33 |
| === Riddell goes out | ||
| jpatrick | Riddell: just did | 09:33 |
| mbiebl | Lure, yes diverting acpid was just a workaround. | 09:34 |
| mbiebl | proper integration in acpi-support is better. | 09:34 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I know, but the fact is that acpi-support scripts are almost fine for us | 09:34 |
| Lure | mbiebl: this is next step I plan to do with acpi-support maintainer | 09:34 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I have picked up latest package for sid, did the ubuntu changes and Tonio_ will now put .deb on test repo | 09:35 |
| jpatrick | "the test repo" - groovy :) | 09:35 |
| Lure | mbiebl: do you have any ppc user of powersave? raphink has problems on ppc... | 09:35 |
| mbiebl | Almost. sleep.sh should have a CheckPolicy check at the beginning. | 09:35 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I cannot test sleep, as my notebook does not work | 09:36 |
| mbiebl | And as you already wrote in the email CheckPolicy should check for powersaved and not kpowersave. | 09:36 |
| Lure | mbiebl: sleep is also broken for klaptop users due to bugs | 09:36 |
| mbiebl | Was waiting for the final stable kpowersave/powersave packages before writing a response. | 09:37 |
| mbiebl | kpowersave 0.6 will be released this week (stable) and the stable powersave package have been released last week. | 09:38 |
| Lure | mbiebl: suse has rc1 tommorow, maybe this will be it | 09:38 |
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| jpatrick | the bug bot! | 09:38 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I am also in discussion with thoeing for k-n-m | 09:38 |
| mbiebl | Lure, already have packages for k-n-m on debian utopia. | 09:39 |
| mbiebl | Do you know that? | 09:39 |
| mbiebl | I've been in contact with Timo for some time now. | 09:39 |
| Lure | mbiebl: have seen those, need to check with Tonio_ (we did our own before) | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198 little improvements needed | 09:39 |
| mbiebl | We should avoid duplicate work. | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | can be done in 5 mintues | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | minutes | 09:39 |
| Lure | mbiebl: what do you do with dial-up in debian (yast2) | 09:39 |
| Lure | we have just removed it for now as n-m backend is also lacking | 09:40 |
| mbiebl | Nothing right know. We could remove this menu entry though to avoid confussion. | 09:40 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I didn't use cdbs because it needed make -f admin* thingy | 09:41 |
| mbiebl | Ah, so you were faster than me ;-) | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | long desc, /me thinks | 09:41 |
| Lure | our package is on http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: yes, but short and long desc have to be different :) | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | cdbs was just an opinion :) not the reason for NO | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | but WHAT to add? | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | it's just about it | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: description of what if beagle for example | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: advertisment ;-) | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | lookat the knetworkmanager package | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | it is just a frontend, and has a real long desc | 09:43 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I'm just copying the beagle one | 09:43 |
| jpatrick | should I add http://en.opensuse.org/Kerry ? | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | yes, homepage is required | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | not obviously, but strongly :) | 09:45 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: now may I upload? | 09:45 |
| jpatrick | ....s'il vous plat? | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | shall I first mail the UVF exception request or first upload to revu? | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: yes, if you added long desc and homepage, you can upload :) | 09:47 |
| jpatrick | yahoo! | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | google! | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | :P | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | UVF vs. REVU | 09:48 |
| Lure | kerry | 09:48 |
| Lure | ;-) | 09:48 |
| jpatrick | Kerry has entered the archives | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: building *powersave and uploading | 09:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks | 09:48 |
| mbiebl | Lure, with kpowersave 0.6 getting release this week we should also request a UVF freeze for it. | 09:48 |
| hunger | jpatrick: I do not see it yet:-) | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | can someone help me on the kmplayer plugin problem ? | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | I'm certain it is easy to fix, but I can't do it myself | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | that's important for dapper :) | 09:49 |
| Lure | mbiebl: yes, I hope Tonio_ knows how to do this ;-) | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: yvf exception needed | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | I can only upload them on my personal repo | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | do you know how to ask for uvfe ? | 09:50 |
| mbiebl | Tonio_, what's yvf? | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | uvf sorry :) | 09:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, we should wait for kpowersave 0.6 release, then UVF exception | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: agree | 09:50 |
| jpatrick | hunger: behold LP: https://launchpad.net/people/jpatrick/+packages | 09:50 |
| Lure | but we probably can do the Revu thing first | 09:50 |
| mbiebl | Lure, did you notice that libnl has been accepted in dapper? | 09:51 |
| mbiebl | Scott has added it to the archive. | 09:51 |
| Lure | mbiebl: also n-m and wpasupplicant, they are just stuck in build queue | 09:51 |
| Lure | mbiebl: wpasupplicant is still in universe and need to move to main to allow n-m to build | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what is the reason for this ? | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: isn't wpasupplicant already in main ? | 09:52 |
| Lure | mbiebl: Scott added dependancy on wpasupplicant, not sure why | 09:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: no, it was just promoted, but not executed | 09:52 |
| mbiebl | NM without wpasupplicant is pretty useless. | 09:52 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I know, but there might be users with WEP only, so some developers said that it should only recommend | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what is the compression level you use for powersave orig ? | 09:53 |
| mbiebl | It even needs it for WEP encryption I think. | 09:53 |
| Lure | ask mbiebl - you got it from them | 09:53 |
| mbiebl | --best | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | I can't dpkg-source | 09:54 |
| jtshaw | not to jump in on an arguement that isn't mind... but wpa_supplicant is excellent for wireless profiles, WEP, WPA, ect. | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | lure ? | 09:54 |
| Lure | jtshaw: I agree, but some do not... ;-) | 09:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what is the error? uncompress problem? | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2199 anyone got time to revu? | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | dpkg-source: error: file powersave_0.12.7.orig.tar.gz has size 867815 instead of | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: do you want to uplolad them on the repo by yourself ? | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | Ican give you ftp access | 09:55 |
| mbiebl | Tonio_, did you grab it from my private repo? | 09:55 |
| Lure | just a minute | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: nope, I downloaded original .tar.Bz2 and converted to tar.bz | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | tar.Gz | 09:56 |
| mbiebl | and then you used dpkg-source -x? | 09:56 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have the one from mbiebl's debian/sid repo | 09:56 |
| mbiebl | Will probably not work. Even if you have the same compression level. | 09:57 |
| Lure | they already have in orig.tar.gz name | 09:57 |
| mbiebl | The md5sum of the tarball will be different. | 09:57 |
| Lure | mbiebl: true | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: why don't you upload yourself ? | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | it'll be easier ;) | 09:57 |
| Lure | I can... | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | lure pv | 09:57 |
| mbiebl | I could. I just don't know the procedures. | 09:57 |
| mbiebl | I'm a Debian guy and don't know how (k)ubuntu works. | 09:58 |
| jpatrick | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120 | 09:59 |
| jpatrick | ^I'm listed in that changelog | 09:59 |
| mbiebl | So it's probably easier if one of you takes care of that. | 09:59 |
| mbiebl | Or | 10:00 |
| mbiebl | give me instructions how to do it. | 10:00 |
| mbiebl | E.g. I don't know where to file this UVF execptions. | 10:00 |
| mbiebl | Lure, I have to go now but I will be around on IRC the next days. | 10:03 |
| Lure | mbiebl: thanks - will be in touch | 10:04 |
| mbiebl | We can then discuss the next steps for (k)powersave . | 10:04 |
| mbiebl | cu. | 10:04 |
| jpatrick | night | 10:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: what about the wpa patch for knetworkmanager ? | 10:29 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: did you test ? | 10:29 |
| Lure | yes, it is working great for me | 10:29 |
| Tonio_ | nice, so we just have to wait for new tarball tomorrow ;) | 10:29 |
| Lure | yes. r5909 that is in repository does not have this bug (only r5923) | 10:30 |
| apachelogger | still noone wanna revu kblogger? :-| | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: url plz ? | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2199 | 10:36 |
| apachelogger | :) | 10:36 |
| toma | not using kwallet? tssss... | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | amaroK doesn't use kwallet either :P | 10:42 |
| Lure | akregator neither (for rss feeds with passwords).... | 10:43 |
| toma | double tssss | 10:44 |
| _Sime | raphink: ping | 10:48 |
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| Tonio_ | apachelogger: package look fine | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | only problem | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | it is not actually in the archives | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | so the changelog should only contain one entry | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | and you should comment the patch in the changelog | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | apart from that, nice ;) | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kicker-kblogger ? | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | kicker-blogger......... | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | shame on me ;) | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you can say "when tired, Tonio is ridiculous !" | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | ;-) | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: can you plz add informations concerning the kdepotpatch | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | and then I give my yes ;) | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you will have to ask for UVFe | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | ok | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: just mail the motu list with description for the exception and the url to revu? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: no, need to post bug to launchpad | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | let me give you an example | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | plz | 11:01 |
| Lure | apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html | 11:03 |
| Lure | I am just investigating this for powersave... ;-) | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/34341 | 11:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | create a bug on the source package, lmike this one | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | join the same 3 files I joined, and a little explanation on the reason it is interesting to update it | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: is the pot patch actual needed? since the upstream includes a pot? | 11:06 |
| apachelogger | or is rosetta using special pots? | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | I just say : comment what is the patch you added | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | in debian/changelog | 11:07 |
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| danimo | Riddell: is there a way to get a more recent syncce version into dapper? | 11:07 |
| danimo | Riddell: the current one seems not to work | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: ok :) | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202 | 11:16 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: added info about your repo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | how to get a proper diffstat output? | 11:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: can you also put powersave/kpowersave to REVU? | 11:39 |
| raphink | _Sime: pong | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | raphink: can I diffstat on a debdiff output? | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | because it outputs quite some crap here | 11:50 |
| raphink | sure you can | 11:52 |
| raphink | debdiff file1.dsc file2.dsc | diffstat | 11:52 |
| raphink | works fine :) | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | raphink: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10868 not for kblogger :| | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202 can you please revu it? | 11:57 |
| raphink | wait a mini | 11:59 |
| raphink | min | 11:59 |
| raphink | well the reason why the diff fails is obvious | 12:00 |
| raphink | it has binary contents | 12:00 |
| raphink | images ;) | 12:00 |
| raphink | http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages on this subject btw ;) | 12:00 |
| raphink | I think upstream devs might gain from it too | 12:00 |
| raphink | imho | 12:00 |
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