[12:22] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-cache-relead-fix.patch -- when you get around to it... it was a fairly stupid thing, i completely forgot about cache reload issues
[12:22] <mornfall> Riddell: (and sorry it took this long, had to do other things)
[12:25] <mornfall> Tonio_: if you don't have anything better to do, you could maybe test the fix? :] 
[12:25] <mornfall> when is next flight, btw?
[12:29] <mornfall> and me, now...
[12:29] <mornfall> i guess i'll put myself to bed
[12:31] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks, will upload
[12:31] <Riddell> mornfall: next flight expected mid-week
[12:34] <mornfall> thanks, goodnight
[12:56] <Tonio_> mornfall: testing :)
[01:22] <Riddell> hello reconciliation 
[01:46] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[01:47] <raphink> mornfall: ping
[01:53] <raphink> Tonio_: ping
[03:01] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[03:01] <jeroenvrp> just a short question
[03:01] <jeroenvrp> cause i'm confused
[03:01] <jeroenvrp> will dapper be released in april (6.04) or june (6.06)??
[03:02] <crimsun> the latter
[03:03] <jeroenvrp> oooh
[03:03] <jeroenvrp> crimsun: why is that??
[03:04] <jeroenvrp> is there a page discribing this?
[03:05] <raphink> it is so because it has been decided so
[03:05] <raphink> some time ago
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> raphink: yes I understand, but why?
[03:05] <raphink> two meetings were held with the community
[03:06] <raphink> that got to an agreement on pushing it 6 weeks forward
[03:06] <raphink> for many reasons
[03:06] <raphink> :)
[03:06] <raphink> polishing, tracking bugs is one
[03:06] <raphink> asian languages support is another one
[03:06] <raphink> since we now have scim/skim 
[03:06] <raphink> and the Indian and Chinese communities are growing fast
[03:06] <raphink> and represent a potentially huge market yet to be taken
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> ok I understand
[03:06] <raphink> certifications is a third reasons
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> is this a Kubuntu issue or is this Ubuntu-wide?
[03:07] <raphink> since certifications like LSB can't be gotten once the distro is frozen
[03:07] <raphink> cause modificiations in the kernel or libc6 might be required for ex
[03:07] <raphink> jeroenvrp: this is ubuntu-wide
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> ok, so amarok 1.4 will be incluede
[03:07] <raphink> not at all kubuntu specific
[03:07] <raphink> no
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> and kde 3.5.* extra stable
[03:07] <raphink> I don't think so
[03:07] <raphink> the feature freezy has not been pushed 
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> raphink: mmm thats a shame
[03:08] <raphink> s/freezy/freeze/
[03:08] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[03:08] <raphink> jeroenvrp: well the goal is to polish
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[03:08] <raphink> adding more unstable apps doesn't help
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> yeah I understand, but 1.4 is much more stable
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> even the betas
[03:08] <raphink> jeroenvrp: then we might get it in
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> hopefully
[03:08] <raphink> if there's a UVFe requested
[03:09] <raphink> and if it's accepted
[03:09] <raphink> I know jpatrick already packaged it
[03:09] <raphink> but I don't know if a UVFer was filed for it
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> raphink: I will make sure, it will be included :-0
[03:09] <raphink> you can't make sure :p
[03:09] <raphink> you're not the one deciding about this
[03:09] <raphink> nor am I
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> raphink: off course not, i'm just obne of the many
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> its about a balance
[03:10] <raphink> of the many what?
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> of (k)ubuntu-users/testers
[03:10] <raphink> users & testers don't decide what's inside next release
[03:11] <raphink> ;)
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> raphink: off course not
[03:11] <raphink> not even devs directly
[03:11] <raphink> ;)
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> balance: we should make a difference between system-apps and desktop-apps, regarding stable/unstable
[03:11] <raphink> since we're in feature freeze, we try to avoid adding unstability to the system as much as possible
[03:12] <raphink> hmmm
[03:12] <raphink> bugs are easier to find in system apps
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> thats just my opinion
[03:13] <raphink> we're more likely to find and fix a bug in a new version of a system app 
[03:13] <Tonio_> raphink: pong ?
[03:13] <raphink> imo
[03:13] <raphink> Tonio_: ah :)
[03:13] <raphink> tu dors pas ?
[03:13] <raphink> Tonio_: j'ai retouch quelques fichiers po
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> raphink: off course, but people want to have their dekstop on the edge
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> snap hier niks vam
[03:13] <raphink> je me demandais qui a upload dans le svn pour toi la dernire fois ?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> n
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> beginnen ze frans te lullen
[03:14] <raphink> jeroenvrp: sorry?
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> ach ja
[03:14] <toma> jeroenvrp: zo moeilijk is dat toch niet?
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> haha
[03:14] <raphink> hmmm
[03:14] <raphink> ja echt
[03:14] <toma> ;-)
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> toma: I thought let join the language-party
[03:14] <Tonio_> raphink: fichiers .po de koiktece ?
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> zeker belgen :-)
[03:14] <raphink> van hou je niet frans jeroenvrp?
[03:15] <raphink> Tonio_: systemsettings et adept
[03:15] <jeroenvrp> raphink: ik hou van elke taal
[03:15] <toma> raphink: ;-)
[03:15] <raphink> hehe
[03:15] <toma> thats hilarious
[03:15] <raphink> toma: wat is ?
[03:15] <raphink> jeroenvrp: I might move to brussels soon, I better practice ;)
[03:15] <toma> van hou je niet frans 
[03:15] <Tonio_> raphink: kool ;)
[03:16] <toma> raphink: is that bablefish?
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> another question:
[03:16] <raphink> Tonio_: j'ai modif certaines de tes trads
[03:16] <raphink> toma: huh?
[03:16] <raphink> toma: no it's me :p
[03:16] <raphink> I never use translators :p
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> if dapper will be out, will it be easy to modify the install cd/dvd
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> ?
[03:16] <raphink> toma: but I don't speak dutch properly I know :p
[03:16] <raphink> willing to learn though
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> raphink: you are doing ok
[03:17] <raphink> jeroenvrp: accoring to toma, I'm not doing better than babelfish
[03:17] <toma> "hou je niet van frans " is better
[03:17] <Tonio_> raphink: st pourrites mes trads ?
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> raphink: Bablefish on the fly :-)
[03:17] <toma> raphink: its just a typical error
[03:17] <raphink> Tonio_: non mais je prfre Prfrences Systme que Paramtres Systme
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> I only speak  Dutch and English, and I can understand German and Frisian
[03:18] <raphink> c'est ce que MacOS utilise
[03:18] <raphink> toma: ok :)
[03:18] <toma> raphink: but joining kde-nl will get uou up to speed in notime
[03:18] <raphink> frisian ?
[03:18] <raphink> toma: hehe :)
[03:18] <toma> ;-)
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> raphink: yes frisian
[03:18] <raphink> echt toma, dat is richtig
[03:18] <raphink> wat is frisian jeroenvrp?
[03:19] <jeroenvrp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_language
[03:19] <raphink> is dat duits?
[03:19] <jeroenvrp> actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language as spoken in the Neherlands
[03:19] <raphink> ok
[03:19] <jeroenvrp> raphink: no Duits=German
[03:20] <raphink> ja, ik wist dat :)
[03:20] <raphink> (is wist ok ?)
[03:20] <toma> yep
[03:20] <raphink> not sure
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> there is vene a KDE and Firefox project in Frisian
[03:20] <raphink> ah interestiing
[03:20] <raphink> there are so many languages in Europe :)
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> raphink: where are you from
[03:20] <toma> the kde-nl translation leader is frisian
[03:21] <raphink> jeroenvrp: ik ben frans :)
[03:21] <raphink> van Paris :)
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> ah
[03:21] <raphink> en ik ben in Paris nu :)
[03:21] <toma> waarom spreek je nederlands?
[03:21] <raphink> 1) I love languages
[03:22] <raphink> 2) my best friend lives in den Haag
[03:22] <raphink> 3) I'm more and more thinking of heading north
[03:22] <raphink> that gives a few reasons to know it ;)
[03:22] <raphink> actually I mostly learned it by spending time in Holland
[03:22] <toma> inderdaad
[03:22] <raphink> hehe
[03:22] <raphink> esp last month
[03:22] <raphink> well a month and a half ago
[03:23] <raphink> I spent almost 3 weeks in the den Haag
[03:23] <toma> colddddd
[03:23] <raphink> and I've been fighting to have entire talks with people in NL
[03:23] <raphink> even when they tried to answer me in english :p
[03:23] <raphink> hehe
[03:23] <raphink> of course they immediatly see I'm not dutch from my accent
[03:24] <raphink> so my small victories are to have an entire (even if short) conversation in dutch 
[03:24] <raphink> when I go shopping or so ;)
[03:24] <toma> cool, you should poke around in #kde-nl when you are around
[03:24] <raphink> my friend used to tell me some years ago
[03:24] <toma> you never know if there is a meeting or something
[03:24] <raphink> that it was not worth it to learn dutch to come to A'dam
[03:24] <raphink> cause 
[03:25] <raphink> * if the guy I talk to is dutch, he will get that i'm not and answer me in english
[03:25] <raphink> * if the guy is not dutch, he won't understand me and answer in english
[03:25] <raphink> ;)
[03:25] <raphink> is het geen #kubuntu-nl ?
[03:25] <toma> hey, amsterdam is english oriented
[03:26] <toma> that will be less when you are in den haag or utrecht
[03:26] <raphink> indeed
[03:26] <raphink> which is why I learned more being in den haag
[03:26] <toma> ja, er is een kubuntu-nl
[03:26] <raphink> in den haag heb ik seveas getrefft
[03:26] <raphink> :)
[03:26] <raphink> ah "er is", niet "het is" hehe
[03:27] <toma> getroffen, maar beter ontmoet
[03:27] <raphink> hehe
[03:27] <raphink> just as in german
[03:27] <raphink> treffen is not a standard verb
[03:27] <raphink> treffen/trief/getroffen :)
[03:28] <raphink> iirc
[03:28] <toma> treffen/tref/getroffen
[03:28] <raphink> almost the same 
[03:28] <raphink> :)
[03:28] <toma> haha
[03:28] <toma> sure
[03:28] <toma> ;-)
[03:29] <raphink> ik denk dat veel menschen (?) sprek niet nederlands in den nederlanden
[03:29] <raphink> echt?
[03:29] <raphink> huhu I guess my dutch must just be very funny to read ;)
[03:29] <toma> ik denk dat veel mensen geen nederlands spreken in nederland
[03:30] <raphink> ah that's interesting
[03:30] <toma> yes, you are funny
[03:30] <raphink> hehe
[03:30] <raphink> ;)
[03:30] <raphink> toma: which languages do you speak?
[03:30] <raphink> well I guess it's not usual to have foreigners try to speak dutch, too. It's more usual to see people struggling with english or french than with dutch imo.
[03:31] <toma> only english, i try to do some french now and then, but that is knowledge of 20 years back
[03:31] <raphink> since you can just be understood by most dutch people by speaking english
[03:31] <raphink> 20 years back?
[03:31] <raphink> how old are you?
[03:31] <toma> mok, maybe a bit less ;-)
[03:31] <raphink> (hoe alt ben je ?)
[03:32] <toma> ik ben 30 jaar oud
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's the new version of kaffeine/kaffiene-xine for?
[03:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: it's to make you talk
[03:32] <raphink> and it works
[03:32] <raphink> :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ooh cool
[03:32] <raphink> hehe
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <raphink> so it was worth the effort
[03:33] <raphink> toma: you have kde svn commit rights ?
[03:33] <toma> raphink: yes
[03:33] <raphink> could you commit two po files for me please?
[03:33] <toma> they normally would go to the translation coordinator
[03:33] <raphink> ah ok
[03:33] <raphink> so do I have to send them to the fr list ?
[03:34] <raphink> or what?
[03:34] <toma> yes, the french list would do, you can mention that within no reply, you will cmmit in two weeks or something, in that case, i can do it
[03:34] <raphink> hmm
[03:35] <raphink> the french list is pretty fast to react most of the time
[03:35] <toma> well, that is ok, isnt it?
[03:35] <raphink> but can I send the files to the list as attachments?
[03:35] <toma> if they are not that big, else put them somewhere for download
[03:35] <raphink> ok
[03:35] <raphink> I'll try 
[03:37] <raphink> hop
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_: the new kaffeine has a few bugs
[03:37] <Tonio_> and only introduce unusefull options
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah ok
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will certainly not go into dapper
[03:37] <raphink> it's not good before sleeping
[03:38] <Tonio_> but we have to concentrate on one thing
[03:38] <Tonio_> kmplayer for konqueror
[03:38] <Hobbsee> very true
[03:38] <Tonio_> kaffeine has NEVER been stable reguarding to its embedded konqueror component
[03:39] <Tonio_> the best comprimise actually would be kaffeine for local reading + kmplayer for konqueror
[03:39] <Tonio_> but that requires some configuration
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[03:39] <Tonio_> now the networkmanager work is about endding, I will concentrate on that
[03:39] <Tonio_> I tested the new kaffeine........
[03:40] <Tonio_> except horrible gui changes and audio encoding functions, I didn't saw anything interesting
[03:40] <Tonio_> and I don't like audio features in it....
[03:40] <Tonio_> that duplicates konqueror, kaudiocreator and other stuff....
[03:40] <Tonio_> raphink: did you test it ?
[03:41] <raphink> test what?
[03:41] <Tonio_> kaffeine 0.8
[03:41] <raphink> no
[03:41] <raphink> j'ai juste pris 2 caffs corss il y a une heure
[03:42] <raphink> cafs
[03:42] <raphink> et c'est pas top pour dormir
[03:42] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:42] <raphink> mme si a aide  parler nerlandais  4 heures du mat
[03:42] <Tonio_> tu devrais tester le nouveau kaffeine et me dire ce que tu en penses
[03:42] <Tonio_> j'aime pas trop
[03:42] <Tonio_> c vraiment changer pour changer, sans rien d'interessant
[03:42] <raphink> ben pas maintenant
[03:42] <Tonio_> oki
[03:42] <raphink> je vais aller me coucher ;)
[03:42] <Tonio_> en gros c pas plus stable
[03:42] <Tonio_> ca pte toujours konqueror
[03:42] <raphink> c'est du tuning quoi
[03:43] <raphink> des modifs de jacky
[03:43] <Tonio_> mais t'as 3000 fonctions audio en plus dont on se fout eperduement
[03:43] <Tonio_> genre, encoding, decoding
[03:43] <Tonio_> j'aurai prfr un lecteur embedded konqueror qui dchire,  la kmplayer
[03:43] <raphink> des trucs qui vont rendre kaffeine interdit en france quoi ;)
[03:43] <raphink> hh
[03:44] <Tonio_> lol
[03:44] <Tonio_> bref, je pense qu'on va rester sur 0.7
[03:44] <raphink> oki
[03:44] <raphink> bonne ide
[03:44] <Tonio_> par contre ce serait sympa de foutre kmplayer dans main pour la partie intgration a konq
[03:44] <Tonio_> riddell y pense, et je trouve que ce serait une bonne ide
[03:44] <raphink> on m'a fait remarqu aujourd'hui que ktorrent 1.2 c'tait pas top
[03:44] <Tonio_> ah ?
[03:44] <Tonio_> ca plantouille ?
[03:44] <raphink> oui
[03:45] <raphink> HOPHP ah dit que c'tait une rgression cette version
[03:45] <raphink> sur quelques points
[03:45] <raphink> faut voir avec lui
[03:45] <raphink> de toute faon c'est interdit en france :p
[03:45] <raphink> LOL
[03:45] <raphink> vive notre beau pays
[03:45] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:45] <raphink> et vivement que je me barre
[03:45] <Tonio_> une regression ?
[03:46] <Tonio_> a ce point la ?
[03:46] <Tonio_> genre rien en plus a part des plantages ?
[03:46] <raphink> [18:51]  <OdyX> En bref, la rgression (de cde que je me souviens quand j'avais tent le passage sous Breezy), c'est qu'il ouvre une connexion par fichier partag...
[03:46] <Tonio_> je dois avouer que j'utilise peu bittorrent
[03:46] <raphink> [18:51]  <OdyX> donc pas plus de 1024 possibles..
[03:46] <raphink> [18:51]  <OdyX> alors que sous la 1.1, y'a pas ce problme...
[03:46] <Tonio_> lol
[03:46] <raphink> [18:51]  <OdyX> et c'est merdique...
[03:46] <Tonio_> c voulu ?
[03:46] <raphink> [18:51]  <OdyX> bref...
[03:46] <Tonio_> bah ca se patch ca
[03:46] <raphink> voil
[03:47] <raphink> je cite ;)
[03:47] <Tonio_> si c une limite physique, ca se patch
[03:47] <Tonio_> c debile
[03:47] <raphink> oki
[03:47] <Tonio_> le mec veut obliger les gens a partager
[03:47] <Tonio_> il a pas tors dans l'esprit
[03:47] <raphink> oui
[03:47] <Tonio_> bref, il a qu' patcher les sources si il est pas content
[03:47] <raphink> mais c'est interdit
[03:47] <raphink> partager c'est mal
[03:47] <Tonio_> bref
[03:47] <raphink> faut garder tes trucs pour toi :p
[03:48] <raphink> partager c'est vilain
[03:48] <Tonio_> le soft regresse pas
[03:48] <raphink> boooouh
[03:48] <Tonio_> l'auteur a pris un parti
[03:48] <Tonio_> libre a toi de le modif si t'es pas content
[03:48] <raphink> je suis pas content 
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ack, more stuff not in english...
[03:48] <Tonio_> bah patch le alors :)
[03:48] <raphink> je veux patcher DADVSI
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sorry ;)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe no problems ;)
[03:49] <raphink> Hobbsee: what do you want to speak?
[03:49] <Tonio_> we were talking about ktorrent that actually doesn't allow more than one conection per shared file
[03:49] <Tonio_> can sound stupid, but as long as it is the upstream choice
[03:49] <Tonio_> I was just saying that could be patch if we don't like that
[03:49] <Hobbsee> raphink: got no idea - i just came back to have a look what was being discussed, found it wasnt in english, and gave up :P
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:50] <raphink> hehe
[03:50] <raphink> english natives...
[03:50] <raphink> they give up on most languages...
[03:50] <raphink> except for riddell I have to confess :)
[03:51] <raphink> there are more language freaks on -motu but they're not english natives :p
[03:51] <Tonio_> it is not false that generally, english natives are more limited than french for other language speaking (and due to the very low level of french, that's not good)
[03:52] <raphink> french are very bad at languages
[03:52] <Tonio_> raphink: we are not the best example to give lessons to english natives.........
[03:52] <raphink> when I had my interview on the phone last tuesday for this job in belgium
[03:52] <Tonio_> french are the worst after english
[03:52] <raphink> this guy was amazed that being french I could be fluent in english and speak a bit of dutch
[03:52] <Tonio_> the best are probably swiss, but that due to geography :)
[03:53] <raphink> nordic people are really good :)
[03:53] <Tonio_> raphink: about all swiss prople speak fluently french, german, swiss/german, italian and english
[03:53] <Tonio_> that's their base
[03:53] <raphink> not true Tonio_
[03:53] <toma> summertime adjustment works obviously, i wish there was a bug in there....
[03:53] <raphink> I've met many swiss people who only spoke one language
[03:54] <Tonio_> raphink: all swiss I worked with were amazing on that point
[03:54] <raphink> you were lucky
[03:54] <Tonio_> raphink: tou can find that in every country :)
[03:54] <raphink> of course
[03:54] <Tonio_> raphink: just think about their country
[03:54] <raphink> there are also people who pretend to know only one language
[03:54] <Tonio_> go 30 km north, need to speak german
[03:54] <raphink> I remember once in belgium
[03:54] <Tonio_> 30 km south, need to speak italian
[03:54] <Tonio_> etc......
[03:54] <raphink> speaking french to a guy
[03:54] <raphink> and he answered in dutch although i'm very sure he knew french, at least a bit
[03:55] <raphink> Tonio_: no need to move really
[03:55] <raphink> german, french, italian and romanche are official languages
[03:55] <Tonio_> german are VERY good in english generally
[03:55] <Tonio_> spanish too
[03:55] <raphink> many countries in north europe begin to learn english around the age of 7
[03:56] <Tonio_> and french are "proud" of beeing asholes :)
[03:56] <raphink> it has been shown that a second language has to be learned before the age of 7 actually
[03:56] <raphink> and we keep ignoring this in france
[03:56] <Tonio_> speaking THEIR language that nobody understand and whose grammar requires 10 years of lessons.........
[03:57] <Tonio_> raphink: false, actually, english lessons are provided at the age of 3
[03:57] <Tonio_> don't forget my girlfriend is a teacher ;) I know that very well
[03:57] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, and that's why I can say french are generally asholes
[03:57] <raphink> well the fact is that good linguists have given excellent result on when to teach a second language, whatever be it, to children
[03:58] <raphink> and the French education system keeps ignoring these researches
[03:58] <Tonio_> raphink: do you know why ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> I can give you the answer
[03:58] <raphink> hehe 
[03:58] <raphink> give me your answer then ;)
[03:58] <raphink> I've got my ideas too, being interested in education myself
[03:58] <Tonio_> because those fucking teachers that have "a job for life" DON'T WANT to learn anything
[03:58] <raphink> that is right ;)
[03:59] <raphink> right enough
[03:59] <raphink> this is why I've given up on being a teacher here
[03:59] <raphink> although I wanted to be one
[03:59] <Tonio_> they want to keep quiet, nothing to lern, no need to restart anything, just beeing stupid "fonctionnaires de chiotte de merde"
[03:59] <raphink> I don't want to play that game of stupid competitive exams to be paid more and do nothing 
[03:59] <raphink> le CAPES sapux 
[03:59] <raphink> et l'IUFM c'st pourri
[04:00] <raphink> j'ai mieux  faire ;)
[04:00] <raphink> si ils veulent pas de moi sans ces trucs pourris
[04:00] <Tonio_> teachers are (if any) the biggest asholes in france (so probably in the world)
[04:00] <raphink> j'irais proposer mes services ailleurs 
[04:00] <raphink> c'est tout
[04:00] <raphink> y'a des pays (genre le belgique) qui sont trs contents avec ma formation en pdagogie
[04:00] <raphink> s/le/la/
[04:01] <Tonio_> bah en france, faut un bac+5 achet dans une ecole de commerce de merde ou tu payes ton diplome
[04:01] <Tonio_> ou alors un bac+6 de fac
[04:01] <raphink> y'a des pays o la pdagogie prime sur des concours pourris
[04:01] <Tonio_> sinon ca veut dire que t'es un con
[04:01] <raphink> pour tre prof
[04:01] <raphink> et o on encourage les profs  faire de la psycho plutot que de passer des concours de m...
[04:01] <raphink> m3e
[04:01] <Tonio_> bref, les francais sont incapables d'accepter le changement
[04:02] <Tonio_> parcequ'ils sont convaincus d'avoir le meileur systeme qui existe
[04:02] <Tonio_> encore aujourd'hui
[04:02] <raphink> c'est pour a que je me barre
[04:02] <raphink> ;)
[04:02] <Tonio_> et malgr qu'on ait 12% de chomeurs
[04:02] <Tonio_> des sdf de partout
[04:02] <raphink> enfin bon
[04:02] <raphink> j'ai un pote libanais qui arrive  la mme conclusion
[04:02] <Tonio_> 1000 milliards d'euros de dette
[04:02] <raphink> que toi
[04:02] <raphink> et quand je lui ai dit que je comptais me barrer
[04:02] <Tonio_> et qu'aucun pays ne soit interess par notre modle
[04:02] <Tonio_> le francais il s'en cogne
[04:02] <Tonio_> il est convaincu qu'on est au top
[04:02] <raphink> il m'a dit : ben voil... les seuls intressants se barrent ;)
[04:02] <Tonio_> que la sant en france, c'est le top
[04:02] <raphink> lol
[04:03] <Tonio_> que le code du travail il est le meilleur du monde
[04:03] <raphink> le pouvoir d'achat au top
[04:03] <raphink> le travail au top
[04:03] <raphink> l'ducation au top
[04:03] <raphink> les lois au top
[04:03] <Tonio_> il est certain que c mieux d'tre protg au travail au point que les patrons de PME ont peur d'embaucher
[04:03] <raphink> la politique au top
[04:03] <raphink> et on a tout faux ;)
[04:03] <raphink> pourtant y'a encore bcp de pays qui nous envient
[04:03] <raphink> je sais pas pourquoi
[04:03] <Tonio_> vu qu'une embauche pour une boite de 10 personnes c un budget de ouf
[04:03] <raphink> la france c'est un pays de fainants
[04:03] <raphink> ;)
[04:03] <Tonio_> et que le mec si il tombe sur u trou du cul il ne peut RIEN faire
[04:03] <raphink> de frileux
[04:04] <raphink> de surprotgs
[04:04] <Tonio_> raphink: parceque ces pays ne savent pas comment c'estla france
[04:04] <Tonio_> c surtout ca
[04:04] <raphink> on est pas un peu OT l?
[04:04] <raphink> ;)
[04:04] <Tonio_> ils croient encore que c la france de sartre
[04:04] <Tonio_> une france cultive
[04:04] <raphink> oui
[04:04] <raphink> j'ai parl une fois avec un kosovar
[04:04] <Tonio_> franchement les francais sont creus a mourir
[04:04] <raphink> qui voulait venir en france
[04:04] <raphink> clandestinement
[04:04] <Tonio_> des fois en socit j'ai l'impression d'tre un surhomme
[04:04] <raphink> mettre tout son fric dans un passeur
[04:04] <raphink> j'ai tent de le dcourager
[04:05] <Tonio_> dans ma boite ma chef elle dit "anthony, c'est une encyclopdie sur pattes"
[04:05] <raphink> de lui faire comprendre que si jamais il arrivait  passer
[04:05] <raphink> il allait se retrouver clodo
[04:05] <Tonio_> bah non connasse, je lis juste des trucs pas trop cons de temps en temps, et je regarde plus les films de cassavettes que ceux de luc besson
[04:05] <Tonio_> ca suffit pour passer pour une tronche
[04:05] <raphink> il a pas voulu entendre
[04:05] <Tonio_> c grave je trouve
[04:05] <raphink> pour lui la france tait le pays de lait et de miel
[04:06] <Tonio_> waip mais bon il se rendent pas compte
[04:06] <raphink> non
[04:06] <Tonio_> de tous les pays "civiliss"
[04:06] <Tonio_> la france est le plus endett avec les usa
[04:06] <raphink> genre pour lui y'a pas de clodos
[04:06] <raphink> y'a personne qui a afim
[04:06] <Tonio_> et on est surtout LE pays qui chutte
[04:06] <raphink> faim
[04:06] <Tonio_> sur le plan internationnal
[04:06] <raphink> mhm
[04:06] <Tonio_> sur le plan des ecoles
[04:06] <Tonio_> en 1980 on tait class par l'unesco 4 pour la qualit de l'enseignement
[04:07] <Tonio_> aujourd'hui on est 34
[04:07] <raphink> a fait peur
[04:07] <Tonio_> et les profs sont convaincus que tout est genial
[04:07] <Tonio_> et qu'il faut surtout RIEN toucher
[04:07] <Tonio_> bah franchement, c super
[04:07] <Tonio_> continuons comme ca :)
[04:07] <raphink> niveau ducation le reste de la francophonie est  la pointe par contre
[04:07] <Tonio_> waip
[04:07] <raphink> les belges et les canadiens sont super forts
[04:07] <Tonio_> mai aujourd'hui un diplome francais ne vaut plus RIEN a l'tranger
[04:07] <Tonio_> merci Jack Lang
[04:07] <Tonio_> vouloir 80% de bacheliers..........; voila le resultat
[04:07] <raphink> je m'en tape j'ai pas de diplome :)
[04:08] <Tonio_> nos diplomes valent plus rien
[04:08] <Tonio_> et il faut bac+3 en france pour faire caissire
[04:08] <raphink> c'est pour a que je me barre
[04:08] <raphink> :)
[04:08] <raphink> en france on veut que j'ai un diplome
[04:08] <Tonio_> et ce mec se tape une cote de popularit record :)
[04:08] <raphink> et  l'tranger meme un diplome ne vaut rien
[04:08] <raphink> alors il vaut mieux ne pas avoir de diplome  l'tranger
[04:08] <raphink> surtout si c'est pour se taper des diplomes uniquement valables en france
[04:08] <raphink> aprs 5 ans de taff  la c1n
[04:08] <Tonio_> kler
[04:09] <Tonio_> l'autre jour j'ai vu un mec
[04:09] <Tonio_> ted stangers
[04:09] <Tonio_> un ricain conu, auteur, qui vit a paris
[04:09] <Tonio_> et il a pos cette question :
[04:09] <raphink> aprs les franais gueulent que les entreprises se barrent
[04:09] <raphink> mais c'est normal
[04:09] <Tonio_> "pourquoi les francais ne se posent pas cette question : si notre systme est a ce point si bon, pourquoi JAMAIS aucun pays ne s'en est inspir ???"
[04:09] <Tonio_> THE question qui tue :)
[04:10] <Tonio_> je parle de systeme socio/economique
[04:10] <raphink> en france une entreprise est oblige d'embaucher un type avec  bac+5 surprotg avec  un salaire mini et des charges de malade
[04:10] <raphink> personne ne veut a
[04:10] <raphink> un ing en France cote une fortune colossale
[04:10] <Tonio_> pas des droits de l'individu, la on "a t" bons
[04:10] <raphink> on a t bons ;)
[04:10] <Tonio_> bah justement
[04:10] <raphink> non mais regarde
[04:10] <raphink> avec la scu et tout
[04:10] <Tonio_> tant donn qu'en france, un patron ne peut pas virer un mec qui fout rien
[04:11] <raphink> en france
[04:11] <raphink> un ing cote des centaines d'euros la journe
[04:11] <Tonio_> ne peut aps virer un incomptent, a moins qu'il cause des morts tous les jours
[04:11] <Tonio_> bah du coup, on cherche LA garantie
[04:11] <raphink> hehe
[04:11] <Tonio_> et on veut que de l'ing formatt qui sort de l'ecole
[04:11] <Tonio_> on prendra jamais le risque de donner sa chance a un jeune quinenveu
[04:11] <raphink> mais je crois qu'on nglige aussi dans l'histoire la proprit de l'entrepreneur
[04:11] <Tonio_> parceque le mec si il est mauvais t'es nik
[04:11] <raphink> et a me gne a
[04:12] <raphink> une entreprise c'est uen proprit prive
[04:12] <raphink> je suis entrepreneur je cr mon entreprise
[04:12] <raphink> je veux embaucher un mec, je prend un collaborateur
[04:12] <raphink> je veux plus du mec, je lui fais comprendre
[04:12] <raphink> et je suis libre de faire ce que je veux avec ma proprit prive
[04:12] <Tonio_> alors oui et non
[04:12] <Tonio_> faut pas non plus que les entreprises soient gres de manire fodales
[04:13] <raphink> ben dans une certaine mesure quand mme
[04:13] <raphink> oui clair
[04:13] <Tonio_> le bleme c qu'au lieu de liberaliser globalement le truc
[04:13] <raphink> mais je pense qu'en france l'tat va trop loin
[04:13] <Tonio_> et ca ca marche, genre au canada
[04:13] <Tonio_> on fait un CPE
[04:13] <raphink> dans la gestion du travail
[04:13] <Tonio_> ce qui fait qu'on va avoir des mecs protgs
[04:13] <Tonio_> et des mecs non protgs
[04:13] <Tonio_> qui pouront pas faire de prets, louer un apart etc.......
[04:13] <Tonio_> si c t comme au canada, pas de discrimination, car le code du travail est le mme pour tous
[04:13] <Tonio_> il est la le probleme du cpe
[04:14] <Tonio_> jamais une banque fera un pret a un jeune qui risque d'tre vir du jour au lendemain
[04:14] <raphink> clair
[04:14] <Tonio_> par contre au canada aucun probleme, car TOUT LE MONDE est a ce regime
[04:14] <Tonio_> du coup, c'est plus simple
[04:14] <raphink> hehe
[04:14] <Tonio_> faudcrait moins de contrats
[04:15] <Tonio_> regarde aux usa ou au canada
[04:15] <Tonio_> contrat de travail unique
[04:15] <Tonio_> point
[04:15] <Tonio_> en france : cpe, cne, cdd, cdi, alternance, stages, interim
[04:15] <Tonio_> putain mais quel bordel
[04:15] <raphink> clair
[04:15] <raphink> on veut trop rguler
[04:15] <raphink> trop rentrer dans le dtail du bordel
[04:15] <Tonio_> forcment quand t'as un truc en intrim, t'es pas sur un pied d'egalit avec un mec qui a un cdi
[04:16] <Tonio_> et core moins avec un mec fonctionnaire
[04:16] <raphink> clair
[04:16] <Tonio_> avec un seul contrat, mme si c'est libral, t'es moins emmerd
[04:16] <raphink> donc le problme c'est les cdi
[04:16] <raphink> pas les cpe
[04:16] <Tonio_> vu que TOUT LE MONDE risque d'tre vir du jour au lendemain
[04:16] <Tonio_> du coup, comme faut bien que les banques fassent leur croutent, bah elles font des prets sans faire chier
[04:17] <Tonio_> car de toutes facons, c'est pour tout le monde pareil
[04:17] <Tonio_> mais ca les francais sont incapables de le comprendre
[04:17] <raphink> oui
[04:17] <raphink> et pareil pour les entreprises
[04:17] <Tonio_> c'est impossible de dire "on va toucher au cdi qui est trop protecteur en france"
[04:17] <raphink> elles sont moins frileuses  embaucher qui que ce soit
[04:17] <Tonio_> quand tu vois le bordel pour les retraites.........
[04:17] <raphink> vu que tout le monde est au mme rgime
[04:17] <Tonio_> une reforme comme ca j'ose mme aps imaginer
[04:18] <Tonio_> du coup aujourd'hui en france, les entreprises font que des cdd, des interims, des stagiaires
[04:18] <Tonio_> et nous on vuet a tous prix garder notre super cdi qui sert a rien
[04:18] <Tonio_> c n'importe quoi serieux
[04:18] <raphink> tu fais une rforme des cdis tout le monde est dans la rue
[04:18] <Tonio_> bref, on en est qu'au debut :)
[04:18] <raphink> parceque tout le monde voudrait un cdi
[04:18] <Tonio_> moi je suis pour le contrat unique
[04:18] <raphink> au final les entreprises arrivent en plus  des trucs ignobles
[04:18] <Tonio_> moins violent u'un cpe
[04:18] <raphink> pour virer les cdis
[04:19] <Tonio_> moins protecteur qu'un cdi
[04:19] <raphink> ils font de la pression psy
[04:19] <Tonio_> comme au canada
[04:19] <raphink> pour les forcer  dmissionner
[04:19] <raphink> dans pleins de boites
[04:19] <raphink> ce qui est pire que d'tre vir proprement
[04:19] <Tonio_> kler
[04:19] <raphink>  mon avis
[04:19] <Tonio_> le pire c que tous les francais te diront "c'est chouette au canada"
[04:20] <Tonio_> et y a pas UN mec qui accepterait leur rgime........
[04:20] <raphink> lol
[04:20] <Tonio_> va comprendre
[04:20] <raphink> ben non
[04:20] <raphink> c'est chouette mais pas pour nous ;)
[04:20] <raphink> donc les types qui trouvent vraiment a chouette se barrent
[04:20] <raphink> et faut pas s'tonner qu'on ait toujours une fuite des cerveaudx
[04:20] <Tonio_> enfin bon resultat, t'as des mecs qui ont 40 ans, qui ont jamais sign un cdi
[04:20] <Tonio_> qui vont de contrat pourris en cdd non renouvells
[04:20] <Tonio_> et qui vont manifester pour qu'on change surtout RIEN
[04:21] <Tonio_> baha ce rythme la on a pas fini
[04:21] <Tonio_> je vais te dire, si y a un pays qui se casse la gueule en ce moment, c'est bien la france
[04:21] <Tonio_> sur tous les plans
[04:21] <Tonio_> niveau politique, on a plus aucun pouvoir
[04:21] <Tonio_> sur le plan culturel, on a plus aucune vrai rfrence
[04:21] <Tonio_> sur le plan de la rechercher, on commence a tre largus
[04:21] <Tonio_> l'education pareil
[04:22] <Tonio_> la capacit a voluer, on est la rise du monde avec nos grves de 3 mois tous les ans
[04:22] <raphink> oui
[04:22] <Tonio_> nos fonctionnaires qui ont des conditions de la mort et qui se la jouent "asiatique clandestin exploit"
[04:23] <raphink> lol
[04:23] <Tonio_> alors qu'ils ont, qu'on le veuille ou non, de super conditions de travail
[04:23] <raphink> kler
[04:23] <Tonio_> j'exclus les urgentistes et les pompiers :)
[04:23] <raphink> genre les types de la sncf sont super  plaindre quoi ;)
[04:23] <Tonio_> qui euxen chient et gueulent jamais
[04:23] <raphink> oui
[04:23] <Tonio_> bah kler attend tu te rend pas compte ?
[04:23] <raphink> la SNCF c'est les meilleurs
[04:23] <Tonio_> j'ai connu une nana
[04:23] <Tonio_> aucun diplome"
[04:23] <raphink> avec les profs
[04:23] <Tonio_> conne.......... comme une cone koi
[04:23] <Tonio_> bte et tout
[04:23] <raphink> ils gueulent tout le temps 
[04:23] <Tonio_> elle rentre  la sncf
[04:23] <raphink> pour rien
[04:24] <Tonio_> controleur dans les trains
[04:24] <raphink> d'ailleurs la SNCF supporte toujours tout le monde
[04:24] <Tonio_> 1500 nets par mois
[04:24] <raphink> quelle que soit la grve
[04:24] <Tonio_> pour 32 heures de taff sur 4 jours
[04:24] <Tonio_> par semaine
[04:24] <Tonio_> sachant que les 32h, c'est 3h de taff et 29 h de tarot dans le train
[04:24] <raphink> mhm
[04:24] <Tonio_> boulot a vie
[04:24] <Tonio_> primes
[04:24] <raphink> hh
[04:24] <Tonio_> et ca gueule tous les 6 mois
[04:24] <raphink> clair
[04:24] <Tonio_> franchement..........
[04:24] <raphink> c'est super trankil
[04:25] <Tonio_> bah grave
[04:25] <raphink> mais ils vont te dire qu'ils risquent leur vie
[04:25] <raphink> ils peuvent tre attaqus
[04:25] <Tonio_> bah moi je refuse de sortir de chez moi
[04:25] <raphink> ils peuvent louper une marche d'escalator
[04:25] <Tonio_> je veux travailler a distance
[04:25] <Tonio_> je risque d'tre attaqu
[04:25] <raphink> et puis  chatelet a sent pas bon
[04:25] <raphink> hehe ;)
[04:25] <Tonio_> mais le pire c la RATP
[04:25] <Tonio_> y a un SCANDALE a la ratp
[04:25] <raphink> Rentre Avec Tes Pieds :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> tu sais pkoi ils ont gueul comme ca pourla rforme des retraites ?
[04:25] <Tonio_> je vais t'expliker
[04:25] <Tonio_> a la ratp on a un rgime special
[04:26] <Tonio_> chaque fois qu'on taffe 5 ans
[04:26] <Tonio_> on a une anne de cotisation gratuite
[04:26] <Tonio_> 5 ans = 6 ans de cotisation
[04:26] <Tonio_> en clair un mec qui rentre a la ratp a 20 ans
[04:26] <Tonio_> il est a la retraite a 52
[04:26] <Tonio_> enfin il tait
[04:26] <Tonio_> de plus
[04:26] <Tonio_> a retraite des fonctionnaire n'est pas calcule sur les 5 dernires annes de travail
[04:27] <Tonio_> mais els derniers 6 mois
[04:27] <Tonio_> en clair, en gnral, un mec de la ratp est augment 6 mois avant la retraite
[04:27] <Tonio_> donc il part avec le pactole a 52 ans
[04:27] <Tonio_> et c ce mec la qui gueule le plus fort quand on demande a tout le monde de faire un effort pour payer les retraites des autres...........
[04:27] <Tonio_> c pas un scandale ca ?
[04:28] <raphink> oui
[04:28] <Tonio_> ou EDF
[04:28] <Tonio_> ou la poste
[04:28] <Tonio_> j'ai remarqu
[04:28] <Tonio_> que tes souvent, les bureaux de psote sont en grve les 2 et 3 janviers.........
[04:28] <Tonio_> WE de 4 jours
[04:28] <Tonio_> et EDF c le pompon........
[04:29] <Tonio_> les cableurs d'edf qui te sortent "faut pas privatiser edf, car on a une mission sociale"
[04:29] <Tonio_> franchement, le mec qui tire des cables toute la journe, j'aimerai qu'il m'explike a quel point il la ressent la mission sociale........
[04:29] <Tonio_> edf, n2 de l'electricit dans le monde
[04:29] <Tonio_> plus gros exportateur d'electricit dans le monde
[04:30] <Tonio_> 60 milliards d' de deficit..........;
[04:30] <Tonio_> la honte........
[04:30] <Tonio_> tout ca parceque leurs retraits ont 100 du salaire et pas 70
[04:30] <raphink> ouep
[04:30] <Tonio_> parcequ'ils ne payent ni electricit, ni gaz
[04:30] <Tonio_> que c'est nous qui payons a leur place
[04:30] <Tonio_> pour leur gueule
[04:31] <Tonio_> et ce sont ces memes mecs qui t'empchent d'aller taffer quand on leur dit qu'ils payeront 4% de leur facture au lieu des 3% habituels
[04:31] <Tonio_> toi tu peux pas aller taffer
[04:31] <Tonio_> et comme moi l'anne dernire
[04:31] <Tonio_> tu perds 3 jours de vacances a cause de ces enculs
[04:32] <Tonio_> parceque tu peux pas aller taffer
[04:32] <Tonio_> ca me out la gerbe tient.........
[04:32] <Tonio_> je les jalouse pas, mais serieux, un prof
[04:32] <Tonio_> un mec qui a un emploi a VIE
[04:32] <Tonio_> qui doit 16h de cours par semaine
[04:33] <Tonio_> qui en fait en gros 25 avec le boulot a cot quand il est bien organis
[04:33] <Tonio_> qui a 5 mois de vacance par an
[04:33] <Tonio_> et qui gagne tres correctement sa vie
[04:33] <Tonio_> la moindre des choses, quand tu as tout ca pendant que t'as des mecs qui en chient 45h semaine a l'usine, avec 5 semaines de cong
[04:33] <Tonio_> c'est de fermer ta gueule non ?
[04:34] <Tonio_> surtout qu'un prof, il va toujours te dire qu'il a une putain de pression
[04:34] <Tonio_> enfin bon, entre la pression d'un prof qui est control 15 minutes tous les deux ans par l'acadmie
[04:34] <Tonio_> et un mec qui a un patron con sur le dos 45h par semaine sur le dos
[04:35] <Tonio_> et qui peut tre vir comme un rien, ou subir des pressions pour demissionner
[04:35] <Tonio_> c pas une "pression" digne de ce nom
[04:35] <Tonio_> mais comme les profs ont jamais taff dans de vrais enteprises, ils peuvent pas se rendre compte je pense
[04:35] <Tonio_> ceci tant, je les trouve vraiment indcents
[04:36] <Tonio_> discutte avec un prof, il passe TOUT son temps a se plaindre de ses conditions de travail
[04:36] <Tonio_> faut pas dconner koi
[04:36] <raphink> oui
[04:36] <raphink> et les politiques se plaignent de leur salaire aussi ;)
[04:36] <Tonio_> je veux bien que des fois ce soit pas facile, mais bon........
[04:36] <Tonio_> quand tu risques pas ta place
[04:36] <Tonio_> que tu as du temps pour bien faire
[04:36] <Tonio_> des mois de vacances pour recuprer
[04:37] <Tonio_> la pression, ca va koi...........
[04:37] <Tonio_> alors les politiques, je suis pour et contre
[04:38] <Tonio_> disons que c pas faux de dire que si ils taient mieux pays, ils seraient pas tents de piquer dans la caisse :)
[04:38] <Tonio_> c pas faux de dire que c des mecs qui gagneront pas ca toute leur vie (on est jamais ministre tres longtemps)
[04:38] <Tonio_> et c pas faux de dire qu'ils pourraient gagner 5 fois plus dans le priv, vu le niveau d'tudes
[04:38] <Tonio_> mais c pas faux de dire aussi que personne les oblige hein :)
[04:39] <Tonio_> si ils sont aps contents, ils peuvent aller taffer dans le priv
[04:39] <Tonio_> :)
[04:39] <Tonio_> c comme une minette qui se plangnait y a un an a la tl
[04:39] <Tonio_> "j'ai fait politechnique, deux theses, et aujourd'hui, je suis chercheur a 1500/mois"
[04:39] <Tonio_> bah vi et alors ?
[04:39] <Tonio_> elle est bien conne surtout :)
[04:39] <raphink> hh
[04:40] <raphink> clair
[04:40] <raphink> elle dmnage en californie
[04:40] <raphink> et elle va se faire du fric
[04:40] <raphink> c'est son choix
[04:40] <Tonio_> elle va dans le priv et elle touchera 5000/mois minimum
[04:40] <Tonio_> et pis bon la recherche, ca va koi
[04:40] <Tonio_> c pas des speeds les mecs
[04:40] <Tonio_> j'ai le frere de mon meilleur pote qui est chercheur au cnrs
[04:41] <Tonio_> il captait pas que j'ai pas eu le temps de me faire couper les cheuveux
[04:41] <Tonio_> la dernire fois
[04:41] <Tonio_> c sur, lui il va au coiffeur sur son temps de travail
[04:41] <Tonio_> il fait ses courses pendant ses poses clopes
[04:41] <raphink> lol
[04:41] <Tonio_> genre pose de deux heures
[04:41] <Tonio_> il va faire ses courses a 10h
[04:41] <Tonio_> il revient a 15h30 en revenant du coiffeur........
[04:42] <Tonio_> c sur qu'en californie, t'es mieux pay
[04:42] <Tonio_> mais bon tu fais pas 15 heures par semaine koi
[04:42] <raphink> ben oui mais bon
[04:42] <Tonio_> et pis moi je suis oki pour qu'on paye plus les chercheurs
[04:42] <Tonio_> mais je veux qu'on les controle aussi
[04:42] <raphink> 15h par semaine c'est des horaires de faignasse
[04:42] <Tonio_> parceque bon le mec qui "cherche" depuis 30 ans
[04:43] <Tonio_> qui est control une fois tous les 5 ans pour renouveller sa bourse de recherche
[04:43] <Tonio_> et qui trouve RIEN
[04:43] <Tonio_> a un moment donn ca va koi :)
[04:43] <Tonio_> les mecs ils gueulent que c mieux aux USA
[04:43] <Tonio_> mais JAMAIS ils accepteraient la mme chose ici
[04:43] <Tonio_> c super hypocrite
[04:43] <raphink> clair
[04:43] <Tonio_> aux usa, un chercheur il taffe
[04:43] <Tonio_> il a 3 ans
[04:43] <Tonio_> et si il trouve rien, il degage
[04:43] <raphink> ils veulent le conditiosn de rve de la france
[04:43] <raphink> + le salaire de US
[04:44] <raphink> a peut pas marcher
[04:44] <Tonio_> en gros c ca
[04:44] <Tonio_> tu te rappelles la greve des chercheurs
[04:44] <raphink> je veux bosser 35h avec un salaire de 80h
[04:44] <raphink> oui mais non
[04:44] <Tonio_> ils gueulaient tous en prenant l'exemple des US
[04:44] <Tonio_> que ce serait-il pass si on avaitn copi le systeme US en france ?
[04:44] <Tonio_> ils auraient tous gueul
[04:44] <Tonio_> c oblig
[04:45] <Tonio_> 35h ??????
[04:45] <Tonio_> tu crois vraiment qu'un prof de fac ca bosse 35 h ?????????
[04:45] <Tonio_> ca bosse 8 heures de cours
[04:45] <Tonio_> 10 heures a discutter avec ses collgues
[04:45] <Tonio_> 3 heures de courses et coiffeur
[04:45] <Tonio_> et ca taffe 10 heures si tout va bien
[04:45] <raphink> non c'est 18
[04:45] <Tonio_> a part les vrais bon gros chercheurs, qui bossent
[04:45] <raphink> en temps plain
[04:46] <Tonio_> mais qui sont super rares
[04:46] <raphink> plein
[04:46] <Tonio_> non c 8
[04:46] <raphink> et ils oublient que les vacances scolaires c'est fiat pour taffer
[04:46] <Tonio_> 16 pour un capes
[04:46] <Tonio_> 12 pour un agrg
[04:46] <raphink> reprendre les copies des lves
[04:46] <Tonio_> et 8 pour un docteur
[04:46] <Tonio_> :)
[04:46] <raphink> lol
[04:46] <Tonio_> non mais c les vrais chiffres
[04:46] <Tonio_> 8 heures de cours, et le reste pour "chercher"
[04:47] <Tonio_> mais bon ils voudraient le salaire des US, sans les horaires, sans les obligations de trouver, et sans qu'on vienne leur demander des comptes.........
[04:47] <Tonio_> les "vrais"
[04:47] <Tonio_> ceux qui veulent taffer
[04:47] <raphink> oui
[04:47] <Tonio_> ils se cassent aux US
[04:47] <raphink> bon
[04:47] <Tonio_> mais ca represente combien ?
[04:47] <Tonio_> 2% des chercheurs ?
[04:47] <raphink> je vais quand mme me coucher
[04:47] <Tonio_> les autres preferent rester ici, et gueuler
[04:47] <raphink> je veux me lever demain
[04:47] <raphink> tt
[04:47] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[04:48] <raphink> donc je vais te souhaiter une bonne nuit ;)
[04:48] <Tonio_> bonne nuit :)
[04:48] <raphink> ++
[07:39] <Lure> freeflying: qt 3.3.6 - so far eveything is fine
[07:39] <freeflying> Lure: hmm , thx
[08:48] <freeflying> http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle.png
[08:48] <freeflying> http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle1.png
[08:48] <freeflying> http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle2.png
[11:25] <Lure> :q
[11:25] <Lure> ;-)
[11:42] <Pygi> spacey: around?
[12:50] <mornfall> so
[12:50] <mornfall> kubuntu supports dialup users?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall 
[12:50] <mornfall> or no :)
[12:50] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee 
[12:51] <mornfall> since the results of the UI improvements requested for adept
[12:51] <mornfall> make it impossible to manually check for updates without using adept manager
[12:52] <mornfall> (that is, no updater in menus and since notifier is hidden, no way to run it when system thinks it is up to date)
[12:52] <mornfall> one option is to say that dialup users should use adept manager or minicli adept_updater
[12:53] <mornfall> but it's a bit harsh on them, considering their broadband cousins have no such hoops to run through
[12:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: how goes?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> mornfall: not good.
[12:53] <mornfall> :'(
[12:54] <mornfall> what
[12:54] <Hobbsee> my car decided to immobilise itself on my way to work today...
[12:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/beagle2.png
[12:54] <Hobbsee> so now i'm trying to find a way to get to and from uni, and work tomorrow.
[12:54] <mornfall> 2 ouches
[12:54] <Hobbsee> very
[12:54] <mornfall> 1 you go to work on sunday?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yes, but tomorrow is monday
[12:54] <mornfall> yes
[12:55] <mornfall> ah :-)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:55] <freeflying> Hobbsee: kerry woks more fine than kat
[12:56] <jpatrick> freeflying: kerry FTBFS
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah ok, i was wondering whta the relevance was
[12:56] <mornfall> freeflying: server timeout
[12:57] <freeflying> mornfall: hehe
[12:57] <freeflying> jpatrick: which version do you package
[12:57] <mornfall> freeflying: anything new on the scim problem?
[12:57] <freeflying> mornfall: not yet
[12:58] <freeflying> mornfall: add/remove programs crashed this afternoon , not any massage given
[12:58] <jpatrick> freeflying: 0.07
[12:59] <mornfall> freeflying: which package version?
[12:59] <freeflying> mornfall: the latest
[12:59] <freeflying> jpatrick: 0.09 is out
[12:59] <mornfall> freeflying: ubuntu2?
[12:59] <freeflying> mornfall: kubuntu
[12:59] <jpatrick> freeflying: right, let's see if it works this time
[01:00] <mornfall> freeflying: latest is 1.91ubuntu
[01:00] <freeflying> jpatrick: need run "make admin/Makefile.common cvs " firstly
[01:00] <mornfall> freeflying: bah, 1.91ubuntu2
[01:00] <freeflying> mornfall: I see
[01:00] <mornfall> freeflying: if you have ubuntu1, the crash is known
[01:00] <mornfall> freeflying: if ubuntu2, it's new :)
[01:01] <jpatrick> freeflying: where do I download?
[01:01] <mornfall> freeflying: in any case, some more info would be probably helpful :)
[01:01] <freeflying> mornfall: ubuntu2
[01:02] <freeflying> jpatrick: http://en.opensuse.org/Kerry
[01:03] <jpatrick> test*
[01:04] <mornfall> freeflying: were you doing something specific? or it just disappeared without you doing something?
[01:04] <mornfall> freeflying: was it after or before installing something?
[01:04] <freeflying> mornfall: just select all for filtering
[01:04] <mornfall> freeflying: start and change filters?
[01:05] <freeflying> mornfall: and now it cann't work , just freeze
[01:05] <freeflying> mornfall: ya
[01:05] <jpatrick> freeflying: have you packaged it somewhere?
[01:06] <freeflying> jpatrick: the package is dirty  :) just for test
[01:06] <freeflying> mornfall: why add Add/remove program to main entry
[01:06] <mornfall> freeflying: hmh?
[01:06] <mornfall> freeflying: please be specific i cannot figure what your problems are and in what order
[01:07] <freeflying> mornfall: why add Add/remove program to main entry of kde menu
[01:07] <mornfall> freeflying: what why? are you asking me?
[01:07] <mornfall> freeflying: because it was not my decision
[01:07] <mornfall> so i don't know
[01:08] <mornfall> as for the "it can't work"
[01:08] <mornfall> that is hardly helpful
[01:08] <mornfall> i can't fix things on the grounds that you say "it does not work" "it crashes" or "it is broken"
[01:08] <mornfall> the crystal ball is currently out of service
[01:09] <freeflying> mornfall: I see , will give you useful information
[01:09] <freeflying> jpatrick: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/kerry_0.09-1_i386.deb
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hey, any ideas when we'll get working CUPS?
[01:09] <mornfall> Hobbsee: when hell freezes over ;-)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> haha drat
[01:12] <jpatrick> freeflying: hmm, looks like we have the wrong libqt-mt verison
[01:13] <Hobbsee> !
[01:13] <Hobbsee> it found my printer!
[01:13] <jpatrick> hooary!
[01:14] <freeflying> mornfall: bt of adept
[01:15] <freeflying> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10833
[01:15] <mornfall> freeflying: bah, it crashes in scim
[01:15] <mornfall> freeflying: or, well, hangs
[01:16] <freeflying> mornfall: ya :)
[01:16] <mornfall> anyhow, i guess it has something to do with setFocus :)
[01:17] <mornfall> freeflying: can you run continue for a bit
[01:17] <mornfall> freeflying: then ctrl+c and bt again?
[01:18] <mornfall> freeflying: as for installer, i have indeed reproduced some crash -- going to valgrind now, since it crashes somewhere deep in kdelibs/qt
[01:19] <mornfall> with corrupted stack
[01:19] <mornfall> oh my
[01:20] <freeflying> mornfall: can not continue
[01:20] <hunger> Aehm... what's up with konqui?
[01:20] <freeflying> mornfall: forget to tell u , I'm using qt-3.3.6
[01:20] <mornfall> freeflying: that shouldn't be a problem though
[01:20] <mornfall> freeflying: how cannot continue?
[01:20] <mornfall> freeflying: typing c<enter> in gdb should let the program run for a bit
[01:20] <hunger> I keep getting popups informing me that "You have associated Konqueror with text/html, but it cannot handle this file type."
[01:21] <freeflying> flood
[01:21] <freeflying> [Thread -1285432400 (LWP 6952) exited] 
[01:21] <hunger> when trying to google
[01:21] <freeflying> [New Thread -1293825104 (LWP 6983)] 
[01:21] <freeflying> [Thread -1293825104 (LWP 6983) exited] 
[01:21] <freeflying> thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error
[01:21] <freeflying> (gdb)
[01:21] <freeflying> Continuing.
[01:21] <freeflying> thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error
[01:21] <mornfall> freeflying: yay for gdb :'(
[01:21] <mornfall> its doing me this all the time
[01:21] <freeflying> mornfall: need I do anything else  :)
[01:22] <mornfall> freeflying: i'll see if there's some excessive setFocus going on in adept and if so i'll see if i can reduce it
[01:22] <mornfall> freeflying: it may or may not solve the problem -- i'll send you a patch and we see, okey?
[01:22] <freeflying> mornfall: okey
[01:33] <jpatrick> hmm, that ain't good
[01:34] <freeflying> jpatrick: what 
[01:34] <jpatrick> mornfall frowning at installer
[01:35] <freeflying> hehe
[01:36] <mornfall> it does not exhibit anything in valgrind so far
[01:36] <mornfall> but it crashed somewhere deep in library code twice on me when running in gdb
[01:36] <mornfall> i never crashed it outside of debugger
[01:45] <Tonio_> hello
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> hi Tonio_ 
[01:45] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_
[01:47] <jpatrick> that's what I was doing
[01:50] <mornfall> bah can't crash it now
[01:50] <mornfall> even in gdb
[01:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: don't know if you're aware of that, but Riddell thinks about kmplayer-plugin for konqueror installed by default
[01:56] <Tonio_> *eventually*
[01:56] <jpatrick> it's way better than kaffeine for sure
[01:57] <Tonio_> for konq ? yes ;)
[01:57] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm trying to simplify the package.
[01:57] <Tonio_> it is horribly complicated actually
[01:58] <jpatrick> oh
[01:58] <jpatrick> just remember to use xine for audio
[01:58] <jpatrick> it was the only engine that actually worked here
[01:58] <Tonio_> kmplayer-app kmplayer-base kmplayer-doc
[01:58] <Tonio_> why not something more simple ?
[01:58] <Tonio_> is 7packages really needed ?
[01:59] <Tonio_> no need to split out the libs
[01:59] <Tonio_> no need to split the docs
[01:59] <jpatrick> I did it so that you could have the standalone or the plugin without the standalone
[01:59] <jpatrick> just by having the base
[02:00] <Tonio_> yes, but the docs ?
[02:00] <jpatrick> err
[02:00] <Tonio_> hum okay, I understand the reason........
[02:01] <Tonio_> you can install the plugin, libs, docs, without the player
[02:01] <Tonio_> that is quite logic
[02:01] <jpatrick> yes
[02:01] <Tonio_> okay, sorry for my criticisms ;)
[02:01] <jpatrick> no problem
[02:01] <Tonio_> changelog needs to be cleaned
[02:01] <Tonio_> only one entry
[02:02] <hunger> Yes, please keep the docs separate.
[02:02] <jpatrick> excuse me, i have to have lunch, bbl
[02:02] <jpatrick> ha
[02:10] <jpatrick> Tonio_: allee was the brains behind the package work
[02:10] <Tonio_> I know ;)
[02:10] <Tonio_> but there are things that have to be changed
[02:10] <Tonio_> only one entry in the changelog for example
[02:11] <Tonio_> debian/copyright, can be simplified and polished
[02:11] <Tonio_> little things I'm working on actually
[02:13] <Tonio_> jpatrick: do we want to override ?
[02:13] <Tonio_> I prefer to let the erros personnaly.......
[02:13] <Tonio_> errors
[02:14] <jpatrick> rm them
[02:14] <jpatrick> did I add the docbooks?
[02:20] <Tonio_> jpatrick: if you talk about the manpage, yes
[02:20] <jpatrick> ok, good
[02:20] <Tonio_> now the question is : how can we set kmplayer by default in konq
[02:20] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:20] <Tonio_> that need to be set in k-d-s
[02:20] <jpatrick> back to k-d-s
[02:21] <Tonio_> jpatrick: uploading the package on my repo in a few minutes
[02:21] <Tonio_> I updated to pre3
[02:21] <Tonio_> and then we can make a few tests
[02:21] <jpatrick> excellent
[02:22] <Tonio_> I'm eventually thinking : why not simply kmplayer by default ?
[02:22] <Tonio_> how is the player
[02:22] <Tonio_> ?
[02:22] <jpatrick> I have to check what engine's I had to use for video and audio
[02:22] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I will set that in k-d-s, don't mind ;)
[02:23] <jpatrick> way nicer than Kaffeine
[02:23] <jpatrick> less crashes, etc
[02:23] <Tonio_> even the standard the player ?
[02:23] <Tonio_> interesting ;)
[02:26] <jpatrick> bit complex
[02:26] <seaLne> very weird in system-settings i just typed crap into the passwd box for administration and it enabled it
[02:26] <Tonio_> jpatrick: my repo is update, we can test ;)
[02:27] <Tonio_> jpatrick: know what ?
[02:27] <Tonio_> lintian doesn't cry with latest version ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> hehe, nice ;)
[02:28] <jpatrick> sweet
[02:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: you can try within my repo
[02:29] <jpatrick> Am doing so
[02:31] <Tonio_> jpatrick: little question
[02:31] <Tonio_> why do we have 6 .install files and only 4 packages declared is control ?
[02:31] <Tonio_> I don't understand that structure I must say
[02:32] <jpatrick> 6 .install files......
[02:33] <jpatrick> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[02:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: retry, you were in the autoupdate process ;)
[02:33] <jpatrick> it still fails
[02:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: for example, Ihave kmplayer-lib.install, but no kmplayer-lib package........
[02:33] <Tonio_> hu ?
[02:34] <jpatrick> It fails for all the unofficial repos I have
[02:34] <Tonio_> works for me ;)
[02:35] <Tonio_> so my question is, why do we have .install files for non existing packages.........
[02:35] <Tonio_> crappy ;)
[02:35] <jpatrick> lib should be base now
[02:35] <Tonio_> it is :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> sames content
[02:35] <jpatrick> sorry old files floating around
[02:36] <Tonio_> kmplayer.install == kmplayer-app.install I assume ?
[02:36] <jpatrick> yeah
[02:36] <Tonio_> kmplayer-plugin.install == konq-kmplayer-plugin.install
[02:36] <Tonio_> ?
[02:36] <Tonio_> konq-kmplayer-plugins.install
[02:36] <jpatrick> I thought we merged kmplayer-app into kmplayer
[02:36] <jpatrick> yeah
[02:36] <Tonio_> why not kmplayer-konq-plugins.install
[02:36] <Tonio_> instead ?
[02:37] <Tonio_> that is easier to find no ?
[02:37] <Tonio_> don't you prefer that package name ?
[02:37] <jpatrick> sounds good
[02:40] <jpatrick> hmm, that didn't work
[02:44] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm merging i18n package with kmplayer-base
[02:44] <Tonio_> are you okay with this ?
[02:45] <jpatrick> sure
[02:45] <Tonio_> that now ressembles to a readable package ;)
[02:45] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:45] <raphink> from what we do lately with wpa, wl, kde 3.5.2 etc.
[02:45] <raphink> it seems we would gain from having an experimental repo
[02:45] <raphink> like in debian
[02:45] <Tonio_> raphink: like my repo ?
[02:45] <raphink> to centralize the packages being tested before inclusion in unstable
[02:46] <Tonio_> I agree
[02:46] <Tonio_> same we do with my repo infact
[02:46] <Tonio_> used to test only
[02:46] <raphink> yes
[02:46] <raphink> but officially
[02:46] <raphink> having a real shared experimental repo
[02:46] <raphink> to test new stuff we would like to get in dapper
[02:46] <Tonio_> raphink: I agree
[02:47] <raphink> Riddell: your opinion?
[02:51] <Tonio_> jpatrick: including a few patches (kdepot.......) and reuploading
[02:51] <raphink> Tonio_: tu es sous 3.5.2 ?
[02:51] <jpatrick> Tonio_: apt hates me, it's not letting me get anything but the ubuntu repos
[02:51] <Tonio_> raphink: non
[02:52] <raphink> Tonio_: ok
[02:52] <raphink> Tonio_: faut tester ;)
[02:52] <Tonio_> raphink: ca marche bien ?
[02:52] <Tonio_> file le repo
[02:52] <raphink> je sais pas je suis en train de mettre  jour
[02:52] <hapo> talar ni svenska?
[02:52] <raphink> mais j'ai des retours positifs
[02:52] <Tonio_> ok
[02:53] <raphink> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main
[02:53] <raphink> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main
[02:53] <raphink> et idem pour breezy bien sr :)
[02:53] <jpatrick> raphink: quoi de neuf?
[02:53] <raphink> thanks to Riddell :)
[02:53] <jpatrick> if that's right....
[02:53] <raphink> Tonio_: c'est pour a que je dis qu'il faudrait centraliser les paquatages exprimentaux
[02:53] <Tonio_> raphink: tout  fait
[02:53] <raphink> jpatrick: je vais bien merci... pas grand cose de neuf
[02:53] <raphink> chose
[02:54] <Tonio_> et utiliser les backports ensuite
[02:54] <raphink> oui
[02:54] <raphink> enfin surtout pour dapper  mon avis
[02:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: speaking a bit of french ? hehe nice ;)
[02:54] <raphink> si on veut inclure des trucs
[02:54] <raphink> les tester suffisamment
[02:54] <raphink> genre on teste 3.5.2 pendant 3 ou 4 semaines
[02:54] <raphink> et si y'a aucun retour ngatif on le met 
[02:54] <Tonio_> I never understood why didn't the new kde backports from dapper to breezy to in the backport repo
[02:54] <raphink> bon je re
[02:55] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I've done about six years french learning at school
[02:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: interessant ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: nous alons pouvoir parler en franais maintenant alors ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:56] <jpatrick> just need to remember it all
[02:56] <Tonio_> jpatrick: building latest package version
[02:56] <Tonio_> uploading and let you know
[02:56] <Tonio_> the package structure is way simple now
[02:56] <kmon> if the shared experimental repo includes new sw for tester in all arch, I think it would be a nice idea. 0.2?
[02:57] <Tm_T> bah bah bah
[02:57] <Tonio_> kmon: it could, and shouldn't contain lots of packages........
[02:57] <Tm_T> bit strange, with some windecos composite is very buggy
[02:57] <Tonio_> just that people who would like to test experimental feature and make bug reports wouldn't have to search the information everywhere and switch between 30 repos
[02:58] <Tonio_> that why we actually centralise the current stuff on mine, but I can't host datas for all archives......
[02:58] <Tonio_> hello Mr Tm_T ;)
[02:59] <jpatrick> Tonio_: no, it hates me: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/623077
[03:00] <Tm_T> moin
[03:01] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it really does hate you - it's working here
[03:01] <Hobbsee> actually, i think it ignored it, but it didnt error out
[03:02] <Tonio_> jpatrick: no po files for kmplayer..........
[03:02] <Tonio_> that's a pain.......
[03:03] <jpatrick> Tonio_: it's in extragear, i think
[03:03] <Tonio_> jpatrick: remove you apt-cache
[03:03] <Tonio_> and try to get the file manually, with wget for example
[03:03] <jpatrick> apt-get clean '
[03:03] <jpatrick> ?
[03:04] <Tm_T> I don't get it, how windeco can cause so much buggy behaviour with composite... oh well
[03:04] <Tonio_> jpatrick: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt
[03:04] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:07] <jpatrick> Tonio_: same
[03:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: does wget work ?
[03:09] <jpatrick> old-fashion way it is I guess
[03:09] <Tonio_> jpatrick: didn't you configure apt to reject unsigned repos ?
[03:09] <jpatrick> no
[03:09] <jpatrick> this is fresh install
[03:09] <jpatrick> 2 days old
[03:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I must say I don't know.........
[03:12] <Tm_T> aaaand Xorg carsh!
[03:12] <Tm_T> crash even
[03:13] <Tm_T> I hate composite
[03:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: that ressembles to a dns problem......
[03:14] <Tonio_> can you wget the file ?
[03:15] <Tonio_> to let me know if that works ?
[03:15] <jpatrick> I'll try
[03:17] <jpatrick> Tonio_:  The requested URL /kubuntu/ was not found on this server.
[03:18] <Tm_T> X crashed again?!
[03:18] <Tm_T> oh, wonderful
[03:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hu ?
[03:18] <jpatrick> Tm_T: you seem to be having fun
[03:18] <Tonio_> strange, really.........
[03:19] <jpatrick> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/
[03:19] <Pygi> Tonio_: you broke something again? ^_^
[03:20] <Tonio_> Pygi: nothing
[03:20] <Tonio_> the repo works........
[03:20] <Tonio_> it is just jpatrick
[03:20] <Tonio_> my repo is configured to reject spanish people, maybe ;)
[03:20] <jpatrick> I'm not Spanish
[03:20] <Tm_T> jpatrick: yeah, I moved from Konsole tab to another -> crash
[03:20] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I know ;)
[03:20] <Tonio_> jpatrick: don't you leave in spain ?
[03:21] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yep
[03:21] <Pygi> Tonio_: s/leave/live?
[03:22] <Tonio_> Pygi, jpatrick: hu ????????
[03:22] <Tonio_> yes the repo is broken actually.........;
[03:22] <Tonio_> but why ???????
[03:23] <jpatrick> so is it my fault or someone else's?
[03:26] <jpatrick> where's the dns stuff stored?
[03:28] <jpatrick> ah found it
[03:29] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I think there is a problem on the repo :)
[03:29] <Tonio_> I'm rebooting
[03:29] <Tonio_> and I have a look
[03:29] <Pygi> hehe, Tonio_ broke something once again ;)
[03:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: I didn't touch anhything
[03:30] <Tonio_> that's what I don't understand
[03:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, I am just joking ... ;)
[03:30] <superstoned> mornfall: i have a prob with adept. it screws up /etc/apt/sources.list - it adds some characters that make apt-get update screw up. adept tells me there's an error, and exits. apt-get update from commandline tells me: E: Malformed line 66 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) 
[03:31] <superstoned> if i cat the file, i see nothing wrong. but in midnight commander's editor, i see black dots after the content of line 66.
[03:31] <jpatrick> hi superstoned
[03:31] <superstoned> i can send you the file if you want, adept does it reliably every time if i use it to edit the sources
[03:31] <superstoned> hi jpatrick :D
[03:31] <jpatrick> Tonio_: restarted networking here
[03:31] <Tonio_> jpatrick: /me rebooting
[03:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: did you package kmplayer?
[03:34] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes
[03:34] <jpatrick> and afternoon
[03:35] <jpatrick> re Tonio_
[03:35] <Tonio_> jpatrick: re
[03:36] <Tonio_> what hapens with the repo.........
[03:36] <Tonio_> I don't understand.........
[03:36] <jpatrick> Errhttp://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper/main Packages
[03:36] <jpatrick>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:38] <Tonio_> I don't have 404, you have a dns problem
[03:38] <jpatrick> guess so
[03:38] <Tonio_> why is it searching Packages ?
[03:38] <Tonio_> my issue is that (i think) I uploaded signed source packages for kmplayer
[03:38] <Tonio_> and because the repo isn't signed, it doesn't like :)
[03:43] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's the status of your kmplayer package?
[03:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: WIP
[03:44] <jpatrick> It's in Tonio_'s repo
[03:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I worked a bit on polishing the package
[03:45] <Tonio_> and upgrade it to the latest version
[03:47] <freeflying> jpatrick: will you package kerry
[03:48] <jpatrick> freeflying: if you want me to
[03:48] <jpatrick> Tonio_: how are we going to get these NEW packs in?
[03:48] <freeflying> jpatrick: hehe, if you haven't time for it , I will 
[03:48] <freeflying> Riddell: how about qt-3.3.6
[03:49] <Tonio_> jpatrick: in what ? main ?
[03:49] <jpatrick> ubuntu repos
[03:50] <Tonio_> jpatrick: need to ask for main inclusion
[03:50] <Riddell> freeflying: I gave it a shot, had no problems so I've asked for an upstream version freeze exception
[03:51] <Riddell> build key changes though
[03:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: upload them :)
[03:51] <jpatrick> Riddell: FF
[03:55] <Tm_T> agh
[03:55] <Tm_T> ok, no working Kopete here...
[03:55] <Tm_T> now I'm pissed
[03:55] <Tm_T> restarting whole pc ->
[03:56] <Riddell> hello ZuZubuntu-fr 
[03:56] <jpatrick> haha
[03:56] <jpatrick> freeflying: kerry added to TODO
[03:57] <freeflying> jpatrick: where
[03:57] <jpatrick> here
[03:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: fancy adding kbfx too? :)
[03:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: sure
[03:58] <ZuZubuntu-fr> hello Riddell ;)
[03:58] <jpatrick> as long as you can get me past FeatureFreeze
[03:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'm sure we can work something out
[03:58] <Tonio_> jpatrick: do you want me to upload kmplayer packages ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> as you don't have access to sources
[04:00] <jpatrick> Tonio_: upload to where?
[04:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ..........
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: upload kmplayer and wait for ufv exception ?
[04:01] <Tonio_> upload to ubuntu sorry ?
[04:02] <Riddell> follow whatever the current practice is for new packages
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: revu ;)
[04:02] <Tonio_> we need to get it revied in the first place I assume
[04:03] <Riddell> yes
[04:03] <Tonio_> and same for knetworkmanager
[04:03] <Tonio_> (which still ftbfs.....)
[04:03] <Riddell> yeah, put that up too, I'll take a look in a bit
[04:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[04:06] <jpatrick> arg, I need a long desc for Kerry
[04:07] <Tonio_> jpatrick: raphink's repo is broken too.......
[04:07] <Tonio_> as there been an apt upate recently ?
[04:08] <Tm_T> please hit me when I next time think trying composite things
[04:10] <freeflying> Riddell: all kubuntu patch for qt-3.3.5 can be removed 
[04:11] <Riddell> freeflying: great, that makes things easier :)
[04:11] <freeflying> Riddell: just change the build-dep 
[04:15] <jpatrick> how on earth does Kerry have a 1998 copyright?
[04:18] <freeflying> jpatrick: GPL-2
[04:18] <jpatrick> freeflying: kerrylabel.h:   Copyright (C) 1998 Kurt Granroth <granroth@kde.org>
[04:20] <Lure> freeflying: would it make sense to put also new qt to Tonio_'s test repo - it works for me
[04:20] <Tonio_> Lure: need to make the repo working first ;)
[04:21] <freeflying> Lure: I'd like to , and Riddell has asked for UVFe, so we can wait for approved
[04:21] <freeflying> jpatrick: so strange  :) how can it happen at 1998
[04:21] <Lure> there are quite some users of Tonio_ repo due to n-m testing, therefore we could abuse them ;-)
[04:22] <Lure> freeflying: cut&paste?
[04:22] <freeflying> Lure: ?
[04:23] <Lure> freeflying: I was taking about (c) of kerry
[04:25] <freeflying> jpatrick:  it have use some kde libraries  hehe 
[04:26] <Lure> freeflying: kerry just depends on libbeagle0, but what do I need to install to configure things to index?
[04:27] <freeflying> Lure: seems need beagle
[04:27] <Lure> whole beagle with GNOME/Mono cruft?
[04:27] <freeflying> Lure: it's just a kde fronted for beagle
[04:28] <Lure> freeflying: will try this mono bloat - I anyway plan to reinstall with Flight6
[04:29] <freeflying> Lure: flight6 is out ?
[04:29] <Lure> planned for wed this week
[04:33] <Lure> we will have to rethink keyboard shortcuts: katapult: Apt+Space, Yakuake: F12, kerry: F12 or Alt-Space :-(
[04:34] <Tonio_> Lure: is my repo working for you ?
[04:34] <Tonio_> do you get an error message when apt-get update ?
[04:34] <freeflying> Lure: Alt+Space confilct with kerry  :)
[04:34] <Lure> Tonio_: update now works (did not half an hour ago)
[04:35] <freeflying> Tonio_: I can not access to your repo hehe
[04:35] <Lure> freeflying: actually both kerry shortcuts conflict with two apps I use regulary
[04:35] <Tonio_> Lure: do you get an error message on gpg key ?
[04:35] <Lure> Tonio_: no - apt-get update just works
[04:36] <Tonio_> Lure: amazing.........
[04:36] <Lure> Tonio_: should I try installing something? Something new there? ;-)
[04:36] <Riddell> Alt Gr+Space?
[04:36] <Tonio_> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release
[04:36] <Tonio_> this is what I get.........
[04:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: on what?
[04:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: on my repo :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> I don't understand why, that was working nicelly one hour ago........
[04:37] <Lure> Riddell: not bad idea, however Alt-Ctrl+Space is used by kerry for search for current selection 
[04:37] <Lure> this is why Alt+Space (or Ctrl+Space) might be better
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry, bad copy/paste ;) http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[04:37] <Tonio_> not yours ;)
[04:38] <freeflying> Lure: Ctrl+space is for scim 
[04:39] <Riddell> freeflying: did you see that skim/openoffice bug?
[04:39] <freeflying> Riddell: I can not reproduce then 
[04:40] <Lure> I would suggest Win+Space, but I know that some platoform do not have it....
[04:40] <Tonio_> jpatrick: should be working now
[04:41] <freeflying> Lure: how win+space on ppc :)
[04:41] <Lure> this beagle looks like Windows: ps -ef | grep beagle:
[04:41] <Lure> beagled --debug /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --bg
[04:41] <Lure> :-(
[04:42] <Lure> freeflying: exactly - is there any other magic key on ppc that could be used instead of Win?
[04:42] <freeflying> Lure: apple's 
[04:43] <Lure> freeflying: is it also used for global shortcuts on MacOSX? where is it located? Any use of it in KDE?
[04:44] <freeflying> Lure: I seldom use it under kde, it like win under OSX
[04:44] <Lure> top
[04:45] <Riddell> Lure: that'll be Mono for you
[04:46] <Lure> Riddell: mono is running .exe stuff? - this is really ugly... 
[04:46] <Riddell> that's what happens if you base your platform on a clone of Microsoft
[04:47] <freeflying> Lure: maybe you can write a beagle like stuff using pur C++ ,  :)
[04:48] <Tonio_> jpatrick: uploading kmplayer on revu
[04:48] <Lure> freeflying: yes, it is really sad that kat is so much behind beagle... 
[04:49] <freeflying> Lure: kat is too buggy now 
[04:49] <Lure> freeflying: I know... :-( But beagled will soon by next memory hug (just behind firefox)
[04:50] <Lure> s/by/be/
[04:50] <Lure> seen bug 36713 ;-)
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36713 in Ubuntu "having Kubuntu Beasties and Kubuntu Team is confusing" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36713
[04:51] <Riddell> :)
[04:52] <Riddell> well, you can't delete or merge teams, so not much I can do
[04:53] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I don't see it
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2189
[04:54] <Tonio_> when you want to have a look
[04:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2188
[04:54] <Tonio_> here it is
[04:54] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I ssh'ed to Tiber
[04:55] <raphink> toma: are you there?
[04:55] <freeflying> Riddell: cmake's UVFe hasn't been approved yet 
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: wasn't there some discussion about renaming it to network-manager-kde?
[04:55] <toma> raphink: yes
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: done :)
[04:55] <raphink> :)
[04:55] <Riddell> freeflying: where did you request it?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't rename the sources, but the binary package
[04:55] <raphink> toma: i've got a bug with kcontrol wondering if you have an y idea on it
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is called network-manager-kde*.deb
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I rename the sources too ?
[04:55] <raphink> toma: http://pastebin.com/623253
[04:56] <freeflying> Riddell: filed bug on launchpad and asign to moruuvf , also sendd mail to ubuntu-motu
[04:56] <Riddell> freeflying: i think we just have to wait
[04:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: not sure, leave it for now I think
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[04:57] <raphink> toma: seems to be called by http://pastebin.com/623254
[04:57] <raphink> I don't get what's happening with this :s
[04:57] <toma> raphink: there is no signal changed()
[04:57] <raphink> seems to be a problem with the desktop files for these modules
[04:57] <raphink> hmmm
[04:57] <toma> raphink: but i see a signal changed(bool)
[04:57] <raphink> which means?
[04:58] <toma> try cchanging line 33 
[04:58] <toma> in  changed(bool) instead of changed() (the first one only)
[04:58] <raphink> ah ok
[04:59] <raphink> and same for the next one I guess
[04:59] <raphink> well there's somthing you don't see in this trace
[04:59] <raphink> i get dialog messages saying 
[04:59] <raphink> "Cannot find module ""
[04:59] <raphink> Details : 
[04:59] <raphink> Diagnosis is :
[05:00] <raphink> Impossible to find file "desktop" ()
[05:00] <raphink> I get it twice, and it says it again in the tabs where the LISa and kio slave should be
[05:00] <toma> hmm, that could be related, if the signal comes from there
[05:01] <raphink> ok
[05:01] <raphink> let's see
[05:01] <raphink> a stupid question :
[05:01] <raphink> is there a way I can test that witout recompiling the whole kdebase package?
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: if the decision is somehow to not use kaffeine but kmplayer for konqueror embedded reading
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we split the kaffeine package ?
[05:01] <toma> i dont see a KCMError or kcmkio in that piece of code
[05:02] <toma> raphink: so, it might not be the correct piece of code, which errors
[05:02] <Tonio_> to avoid conflicts in konqueror's config ?
[05:02] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10847 --< krita crashed using koffice1.5rc1
[05:02] <raphink> btw, this is kdebase-3.5.2/kcontrol/kio/main.cpp
[05:02] <toma> raphink: you can only recompile the kio part if you have not cleaned youre build dir
[05:03] <Tonio_> raphink: your opinion ?
[05:03] <raphink> how do I do that?
[05:03] <toma> type 'make' in the kio folder ;-)
[05:03] <raphink> ok
[05:03] <raphink> but then I have to install it, too
[05:03] <toma> make install
[05:03] <raphink> well sure ;)
[05:04] <raphink>  $ make
[05:04] <raphink> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:04] <raphink> huhu
[05:05] <raphink> I guess I have to recompile the whole kcontrol
[05:05] <toma> did you build it before?
[05:05] <toma> builddir=srcdir ?
[05:05] <raphink> no I didn't build it before
[05:05] <raphink> ti's the package though
[05:05] <raphink> not the svn
[05:05] <jpatrick> Tonio_: REVU finished building
[05:06] <toma> raphink: then you must rebuild all
[05:06] <raphink> :(
[05:07] <Tonio_> jpatrick: we have a few packages to get revued
[05:07] <Tonio_> jpatrick: wlassistant, knetworkmanager and kmplayer
[05:07] <Tonio_> we should ask on #ubuntu-motu
[05:07] <toma> raphink: hang on
[05:07] <raphink> ok
[05:07] <raphink> well although it's longer I prefer to do it that way anyway toma
[05:07] <raphink> it's cleaner
[05:07] <raphink> doesn't bork my system as much
[05:10] <Tonio_> jpatrick: is my repo still unavailable for you ?
[05:10] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yep
[05:10] <Tonio_> jpatrick: strange........
[05:11] <Tonio_> certainly a local problem........
[05:14] <toma> raphink: the messages are caused by the error that the desktop file is not found
[05:14] <raphink> yes
[05:14] <toma> raphink: the question is why is it not found
[05:14] <raphink> indeed
[05:16] <raphink> well they don't seem to exist
[05:17] <raphink> at least I don't see were they are
[05:17] <freeflying> Tonio_: also cmake 
[05:18] <Tonio_> freeflying: hu ?
[05:18] <freeflying> Tonio_: UVFe
[05:18] <raphink> brb
[05:18] <Tonio_> freeflying: ah ?
[05:19] <toma> raphink: which file? lanbrowser.desktop?
[05:19] <freeflying> Tonio_: cmake also need UVFe hehe
[05:19] <raphink> lanbrowser.desktop only opens the lanbrowser module
[05:19] <raphink> but it seems there should be desktop files for the LISa and lan:/ kio slave modules too
[05:20] <raphink> yet they don't seem to exist
[05:20] <toma> do you know the correct names?
[05:20] <raphink> no
[05:20] <raphink>    lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);
[05:20] <Tonio_> freeflying: okay ;)
[05:20] <raphink> the kcmlisa module doesn't exist 
[05:20] <Riddell> kioslaves use .protocol files
[05:20] <raphink> in kcmshell --list
[05:21] <raphink> because the desktop file doesn't exist
[05:21] <raphink> imo
[05:21] <raphink> I'm not sure what name and attributes should be used for this desktop file
[05:21] <raphink> if that is the problem
[05:22] <raphink> I can try making one
[05:22] <raphink> and seeing if that works
[05:22] <raphink> let's see
[05:23] <raphink> ah I got it I think toma
[05:23] <raphink> I created a kcmlisa.desktop
[05:23] <raphink> and now I get another error
[05:23] <raphink> :)
[05:23] <toma> raphink: ok, great
[05:24] <raphink> it says the desktop file and the lib were found
[05:24] <raphink> but the module couldn't be charged properly
[05:24] <raphink> I guess because the attributes I've put for the desktop files are not good
[05:24] <raphink> KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kio.so: undefined symbol: create_kcmlisa
[05:25] <raphink> that's the new error
[05:25] <raphink> kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kio.so: undefined symbol: create_kcmlisa
[05:25] <raphink> it suggests the create_ function is proably missing
[05:26] <toma> yep.
[05:26] <raphink> indeed
[05:27] <raphink> while create_smb and create_lanbrowser exist
[05:27] <raphink> create_kcmlisa is not declared
[05:27] <raphink> so I guess
[05:27] <raphink> KDE_EXPORT KCModule *create_kcmlisa(QWidget *parent, const char /**name*/)
[05:27] <raphink> shoudl work, no?
[05:28] <raphink> hmmm
[05:30] <raphink> or it should use another lib than kio
[05:31] <toma> i'm sorry, i''m not familiar with it at all
[05:32] <raphink> np 
[05:32] <raphink> I'll keep trying to understand that
[05:32] <raphink> I guess the kcm libs are in kdelibs
[05:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: shouldn't we make kmplayer depending xine instead of gstreamer ?
[05:34] <Tonio_> and then only "suggest" gstreamer ?
[05:34] <jpatrick> good point
[05:34] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm doing this
[05:35] <Tonio_> jpatrick: and if we use kmplayer for video in konq, we should split out libs from kaffeine package
[05:35] <Tonio_> and not install them
[05:35] <Tonio_> that should avoid conflicts and configuration problems
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree on that point ?
[05:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: were can the internal video player can be configured in konqueror ?
[05:37] <Tonio_> it still uses kaffeine for me
[05:37] <jpatrick> not sure, will have to look it up
[05:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: which?
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the fact that if we decide to use kmplayerto read files in konqueror, we should split kaffeine
[05:39] <Tonio_> and not install the konqueror embedded player
[05:39] <Tonio_> to avoid conflicts
[05:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think it should be possible to just set the priority for the kmplayer part higher than kaffeine's
[05:39] <Riddell> (I think)
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but that's hudge config...... because it has to be set for each extension ;)
[05:40] <Tonio_> I'm just looking at the configuration actually
[05:40] <Tonio_> but yes, that can be done with k-d-s
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm patching kmplayer to use xine by default, and then work on k-d-s
[05:45] <Tonio_> jpatrick: do you know how to set the default engine in the soruce package ? configure option ?
[05:45] <jpatrick> kmplayerrc
[05:45] <Tonio_> hehe, so simple ;)
[05:46] <jpatrick> there was a .diff in the package
[05:46] <Tonio_> yes but I removed it.......
[05:46] <Tonio_> is the kmplayerrc going to kmplayer-base binary ?
[05:46] <Tonio_> I assume yes
[05:46] <jpatrick> yes
[05:47] <raphink> toma: it seems to me like these modules are actually not implemented
[05:47] <raphink> at all
[05:48] <raphink> like someone add the tabs to do the job
[05:48] <raphink> but never finished implementing it
[05:49] <raphink> toma: there's no function to create them and no cpp that implement what should be in them
[05:51] <toma> i could not find anything in kdebase either
[05:59] <Riddell> who is mario.danic?
[05:59] <Riddell> hello _maydayjay_ 
[05:59] <Lure> Riddell: Pygi
[05:59] <Lure> he worked with _ion on n-m test packages
[06:00] <Riddell> ah hah
[06:07] <jpatrick> hmm: W: kerry: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/shutdown/
[06:07] <seaLne> mornfall: the latest adept is looking good
[06:07] <Tonio_> jpatrick: patching kmplayerrc doesn't work....... it still uses mplayer by default.......
[06:08] <Tonio_>  /etc/kde3/kmplayerrc is only used as a basefor the config file in your profile, but I can setparameters with k-d-s
[06:08] <mornfall> seaLne: that's good :-)
[06:09] <Riddell> mornfall: going to debconf?
[06:09] <mornfall> Riddell: it's starting to look like it
[06:10] <Riddell> mornfall: are you giving a talk?
[06:10] <mornfall> Riddell: no talk (no slots)
[06:10] <mornfall> Riddell: BoF about libapt-front though (if it works)
[06:15] <jpatrick> how do I get a debhelper rules file to install manpages?
[06:16] <seaLne> dh_installdocs ?
[06:16] <seaLne> or is it something else
[06:17] <Riddell> dh_installmanpages
[06:18] <Riddell> and add the names to foo.manpages files
[06:19] <seaLne> ah
[06:20] <Riddell> I think :)
[06:25] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the configuration of kmplayer is a pain........
[06:25] <Tonio_> damn.....
[06:25] <Tonio_> jpatrick: it can only read parameters from ~
[06:25] <Tonio_> means that we have to patch sources to make usage of xine by default
[06:25] <Tonio_> not only kmplayerrc
[06:25] <raphink> toma: install the lisa package and try again
[06:26] <raphink> ;)
[06:27] <toma> raphink: that simple?
[06:27] <raphink> yes
[06:27] <raphink> but we have a problem here
[06:27] <raphink> because lisa is in universe
[06:27] <raphink> which means kcontrol _requires_ a package in universe to work properly
[06:27] <raphink> so the options I see are :
[06:28] <raphink> 1) make kcontrol hide these tabs unless lisa is installed
[06:28] <raphink> 2) get lisa in main and have kcontrol depend on it
[06:28] <raphink> 3) have kcontrol display a message about installing the lisa package when it's not installed
[06:28] <raphink> I don't think we can possibly keep it like this
[06:28] <raphink> with kcontrol displaying an error each time you try to load this module
[06:29] <raphink> or systemsettings
[06:29] <raphink> what do you think?
[06:29] <raphink> Riddell: what do you think, too?
[06:30] <toma> raphink: i can not judge the implications, i leave it to you and Riddell. a popup is the minimum i guess
[06:31] <Riddell> raphink: I've not been following
[06:31] <raphink> Riddell: ok well
[06:31] <raphink> launch kcmshell lanbrowser
[06:31] <raphink> what do you get?
[06:31] <Riddell> "The module could not be found."
[06:31] <Riddell> hmm
[06:31] <raphink> yep
[06:32] <raphink> now install the lisa package
[06:32] <raphink> and try again
[06:32] <raphink> ;)
[06:32] <Riddell> that's all quite broken
[06:32] <raphink> no it's not broken
[06:32] <raphink> it just requires the lisa pakcage to be installed
[06:32] <raphink> but the lisa package is in universe
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does your knetworkmanager package compare with the debian one?  http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/experimental/knetworkmanager/debian/
[06:33] <raphink> so we have a problem
[06:33] <Riddell> I don't want lisa in main
[06:33] <raphink> Riddell: cause that means kcontrol requires a package that's in universe to work properly
[06:33] <raphink> Riddell: and taht's fine
[06:33] <Riddell> yes
[06:33] <raphink> but then we need to provide an alternative
[06:33] <raphink> [18:27]  <raphink> so the options I see are :
[06:33] <raphink> [18:28]  <raphink> 1) make kcontrol hide these tabs unless lisa is installed
[06:33] <raphink> [18:28]  <raphink> 2) get lisa in main and have kcontrol depend on it
[06:33] <raphink> [18:28]  <raphink> 3) have kcontrol display a message about installing the lisa package when it's not installed
[06:34] <raphink> [18:28]  <raphink> I don't think we can possibly keep it like this
[06:34] <raphink> [18:28]  <raphink> with kcontrol displaying an error each time you try to load this module
[06:34] <raphink> with no explanation
[06:34] <Riddell> yes, the tabs should say "install lisa to enable" or something
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have no lintian errors, so I don't override anything
[06:34] <raphink> maybe we could patch kcontrol so the default behaviour adds support for the list and kio lan:/ module
[06:35] <raphink> only displaying these infos
[06:35] <raphink> s/list/lisa/
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: my package uses cdbs, and not only debhelper
[06:35] <raphink> Riddell: why is it that you don't want lisa in main though?
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is quite different in fact.....
[06:36] <raphink> Riddell: the lan:/ protocol is pretty useful
[06:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, we should remember to send them a friendly e-mail when knetworkmanager is in our archives
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that a problem ?
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course ;)
[06:37] <Riddell> raphink: it's also unmaintained and superceded by zeroconf
[06:37] <raphink> ok
[06:38] <raphink> as long as zeroconf:/ works
[06:38] <raphink> ...
[06:38] <hunger> Riddell: Apropos zeroconf: Any chance of getting some more zeroconf-config files into dapper?
[06:39] <hunger> Riddell: I raised a bug about that a while back with the necessary files attached (someone even turned them into a diff IIRC).
[06:40] <hunger> Riddell: It is not nice to have kubuntu ignore perfectly valid services that work fine in ubuntu.
[06:41] <hunger> Riddell: See #33034 for FISH and sFTP support.
[06:42] <hunger> Is there a way to list installed kio-slaves by the way?
[06:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: Kerry waiting in revu
[06:47] <jpatrick> this apps pretty cool
[06:47] <Tm_T> ugh
[06:50] <mornfall> superstoned: possibly-known problem
[06:50] <mornfall> superstoned: i'll try to recall to fix it for next release =)
[06:55] <apachelogger> raphink: ping
[06:59] <jpatrick> hi apachelogger
[07:02] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick
[07:03] <apachelogger> jpatrick: you know if I have to write down any copyright of the sources in the copyright file?
[07:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, anything significant should be in there
[07:04] <apachelogger> ok
[07:05] <Riddell> in practice though many packages only list the main author
[07:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/623478 proper design?
[07:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks good to me
[07:11] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a little isue with kmplayer.......
[07:14] <Tonio_> impossible to build it with gstreamer support without gstreamer depandancy
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea ?
[07:15] <raphink> toma: do you think "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() )) or noLisa()" defining a noLisa() function would work?
[07:17] <raphink> Riddell: would that work?
[07:17] <toma> raphink: noLisa() determines if lisa is installed?
[07:17] <raphink> no
[07:17] <raphink> it would just display a message using QString
[07:17] <raphink> so if it can't connect, it shows a message 
[07:17] <raphink> telling people to install the package 
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: if kmplayer is to go into main and it only has gstreamer 0.8 support, don't build it with gstreamer support
[07:18] <raphink> so I would define a noLisa() function that just displays a message using QString
[07:18] <raphink> and call 
[07:18] <raphink> "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() )) or noLisa();"
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, it only supports 0.8
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info :)
[07:18] <raphink> instead of "connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() ));"
[07:18] <raphink> would that work toma?
[07:19] <toma> raphink: that can be done, maybe in a tiny bit of other syntax, but it is ugly. cant we see if the desktop file is installed?
[07:19] <toma> or the package rather
[07:19] <raphink> toma: I guess we could see, but I'm not sure how
[07:19] <raphink> toma: well we'd need some apt library to check that
[07:19] <raphink> and I don't think we want kdebase to build-depend on some apt library
[07:19] <raphink> no?
[07:20] <raphink> furthermore it should work if people have installed lisa without the package, too
[07:20] <raphink> like if they've built it manually
[07:22] <raphink> which is why I thought of doing it this way toma
[07:22] <raphink> would that prevent from having the errors though?
[07:25] <toma> connect returns a bool, so i guess it is possible, but I dont think it is a proper way of programming
[07:26] <toma> if (! connect(bla)) kmessagebox:whatever;
[07:26] <raphink> ah yes right
[07:26] <raphink> it will try to connect anyway
[07:26] <toma> but people would have already have two errors anyway
[07:27] <raphink> ?
[07:27] <toma> i see already two popups when doing kmshell lanbrowser
[07:27] <toma> they are not caused by the failing connect
[07:28] <raphink> I think they are 
[07:28] <raphink> indirectly
[07:28] <raphink>    lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);
[07:28] <raphink>    if (lisaPage)
[07:28] <raphink>    {
[07:28] <raphink>      tabs.addTab(lisaPage,i18n("&LISa Daemon"));
[07:28] <raphink>      connect(lisaPage,SIGNAL(changed()), SLOT( changed() ));
[07:28] <raphink>    }
[07:28] <raphink> this is executed
[07:28] <raphink> so lisaPage doesn't fail
[07:28] <raphink> so imo it's the connect that fails
[07:29] <toma> the loadModule will give the popup, not the connect
[07:29] <raphink> why then is the if(lisaPage) executed ?
[07:29] <raphink> if there is a failure in the loadModule
[07:29] <raphink> :s
[07:30] <raphink> oooh ic
[07:30] <raphink> toma: KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); returns the content to be displayed on the page right?
[07:30] <toma> loadmodule does not return a bool afaisee
[07:31] <raphink> so as it returns the error message that the module can't be found
[07:31] <raphink> this is what is displayed on the page
[07:31] <Lure> Tonio_: got fix for WPA-PSK from knm author
[07:31] <raphink> :)
[07:31] <toma> raphink: indeed
[07:32] <raphink> toma: so unless I patch loadModule itself, I'll keep having the error message anyway
[07:32] <toma> well, these error messages are harmless, i would ignore them
[07:32] <Tonio_> Lure: give it to me ;)
[07:33] <Lure> Tonio_: just discussing with author if we can get newer snapshot - they have SuSE RC1 tommorow at 18:00
[07:33] <Tonio_> Lure: including the patch ?
[07:33] <Lure> yes
[07:33] <Tonio_> Lure: let's wait tomorrow then
[07:34] <Tonio_> the package ftbfs anyway.......
[07:34] <Tonio_> there is no emergency then
[07:35] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly... I am anyway testing r5923+patch
[07:35] <Tonio_> lure: okay
[07:36] <raphink> toma: I could patch moduleloader in kdelibs
[07:36] <toma> to do what? not print connect failes ?
[07:37] <toma> you need to patch qt ;-)
[07:37] <raphink> hmmm
[07:37] <raphink> no
[07:38] <raphink> so when it fails with lisa, it shows another message
[07:38] <toma> ah ok
[07:38] <Lure> Tonio_: I have something else for you (after some more test): new powersave (new upstream + removal of acpid divert)
[07:38] <toma> raphink: thats good
[07:38] <Tonio_> Lure: why not :)
[07:38] <raphink> toma: IF I can do that ;)
[07:38] <Tonio_> although there are very poor chances we get powersave in ;)
[07:38] <Lure> Tonio_: I will just run some more test, then I can send to you
[07:39] <Lure> Tonio_: is it fine if I just send .dsc, .diff.gz + you pick original from mbiebl site?
[07:39] <Tonio_> Lure: great :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> yes, just send me the source package, that's okay
[07:40] <raphink> toma: 
[07:40] <raphink>   if ( !mod.service() )
[07:41] <raphink>   {
[07:41] <raphink>     return reportError( report,
[07:41] <raphink>         i18n("The module %1 could not be found.")
[07:41] <raphink>         .arg( mod.moduleName() ), i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()), parent );
[07:41] <raphink>   }
[07:41] <raphink> should be easy to patch :)
[07:41] <toma> that is not the error we see, it has no filename in there
[07:42] <raphink> that is the error that is sent
[07:42] <Lure> Tonio_: SuSE is already on 0.6.1+ version and some API changed :-(
[07:42] <raphink> to the box
[07:42] <Lure> Tonio_: means more work for us to follow with packages :-(
[07:42] <raphink> and shown in the tab
[07:42] <raphink> toma: this is the msg I want to patch
[07:42] <toma> raphink: no, your code implies that a filename is send, which is not visible in the popup i receive
[07:43] <raphink> hmm
[07:43] <raphink> let me see
[07:43] <raphink> toma: http://pastebin.com/623550
[07:43] <raphink> that is the whole function
[07:45] <raphink> so this is indeed where the error is called
[07:47] <toma> ok, well I can only repeat myself, it is not the error i see, but it can be changed for 3.5.2
[07:49] <raphink> no I have the same error on kde 3.5.1
[07:49] <raphink> I don't talk about the message in console
[07:49] <raphink> I talk about the message in the popup
[07:50] <raphink> which says "The module "" can't be found"
[07:50] <raphink> you don't have that toma?
[07:50] <raphink> could not be found, sorry
[07:51] <toma> no, so it has changed, then you are fine.
[07:51] <raphink> ok
[07:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I upload this package?
[07:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: which?
[08:00] <jpatrick> Kerry
[08:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: it has to be revu-ed first
[08:00] <jpatrick> which it is at
[08:01] <Lure> Tonio_: check e-mail - more details on knm
[08:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: hang on, I'll take a look
[08:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, thanks
[08:03] <Tonio_> jpatrick: have you tested your patch for gstreamer by default in kmplayer
[08:03] <Tonio_> doesn't work......
[08:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: if licence is GPL 2 (and not later) debian/copyright should point to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[08:06] <jpatrick> fixed
[08:09] <raphink> toma:  is if ( mod == "kcmlisa" || mod == "kcmkiolan" ) proper c++ ?
[08:09] <toma> raphink: zeker
[08:10] <raphink> zeker?
[08:10] <toma> sure ;-)
[08:10] <raphink> ah ok :)
[08:10] <raphink> sorry for the stupid questions
[08:10] <raphink> but given the time needed to test it
[08:10] <raphink> I prefer to be sure of the code before spening 1 hour compiling 
[08:11] <toma> raphink: mail me the patch, i can check if it compiles pretty fast
[08:11] <raphink> ok thanks :)
[08:11] <jpatrick> Riddell: reuploaded
[08:14] <raphink> what should be the object type to use for the message toma?
[08:15] <raphink> :s
[08:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: it should run  make distclean  in the clean rule
[08:16] <toma> raphink: you mean: KMessageBox::information ?
[08:16] <raphink> that's what I have to use ?
[08:16] <raphink> so 
[08:17] <jpatrick> remove make clean ?
[08:17] <raphink> return KMessageBox::information(i18n("my message")); is fine ?
[08:17] <toma> no
[08:17] <raphink> :(
[08:17] <raphink> toma: how do you use it ?
[08:17] <raphink> so sorry for my stupid questions
[08:18] <toma> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKMessageBox.html#e30
[08:18] <raphink> why can't I use Qlabel ?
[08:18] <toma> raphink: first param is 0
[08:18] <toma> information(0,i18n());
[08:19] <raphink> ok
[08:19] <raphink> what is the difference with Qlabel ?
[08:19] <toma> Oh well, do you want a popup, or a message on the tab?
[08:19] <raphink> I want a message in the tab
[08:19] <raphink> not a popup
[08:19] <toma> a, qlabel
[08:19] <raphink> yes
[08:20] <toma> QLabel is fine then
[08:20] <toma> sorry for the confusion
[08:20] <raphink> so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message") ?
[08:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: there's no make rule
[08:20] <raphink> QLabel ( const QString & text, QWidget * parent, const char * name = 0, WFlags f = 0 )
[08:20] <raphink> or would that be
[08:20] <Riddell> po/ doesn't get compiled
[08:20] <raphink> so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message",0) ?
[08:20] <raphink> since I have to define the parent
[08:21] <toma> Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0) 
[08:21] <toma> (you were missing a )
[08:21] <toma> (you were missing a ))
[08:21] <toma> (you were missing a ')')
[08:21] <raphink> hmm yes 
[08:21] <raphink> right
[08:21] <raphink> is the 0 mandatory I mean?
[08:21] <toma> yes
[08:21] <raphink> in this case
[08:21] <raphink> ok
[08:21] <raphink> so it's 
[08:21] <raphink> so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message",0))
[08:21] <raphink> oops no
[08:21] <raphink> so it would be Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0)
[08:21] <raphink> this :)
[08:22] <toma> yep
[08:22] <raphink> and I can just return it
[08:22] <Lure> Tonio_: new powersave is in your mailbox
[08:22] <raphink> return Qlabel(i18n("my message"),0)
[08:22] <raphink> and it should display the message in the tab
[08:22] <raphink> right?
[08:24] <toma> raphink: which line are you changing in the 623550 pastbin code?
[08:24] <raphink> 9-14
[08:24] <raphink> I replace it with
[08:25] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/623614
[08:25] <raphink> is that fine?
[08:25] <raphink> oops
[08:25] <raphink> it lacks a bit of the message
[08:25] <raphink> hehe
[08:26] <raphink> you get the idea though
[08:26] <toma> mod == "kcmlisa" ? Is mod a qstring?
[08:26] <raphink> hmmm
[08:26] <raphink> I guess not :s
[08:26] <toma> i think that should be mod.moduleName() == "kcmlisa"
[08:27] <raphink> ok you're right
[08:27] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ping plz ?
[08:27] <raphink> :)
[08:28] <toma> raphink: what does reportError() do?
[08:28] <raphink> I guess it displays the error in an error box
[08:28] <raphink> as it does now
[08:29] <toma> raphink: i think that causes the popup
[08:29] <raphink> yes it does
[08:29] <raphink> and I want to avoid the popup
[08:29] <raphink> which is why I do that
[08:29] <toma> yes, but you can not return a qlabel like that instead
[08:30] <raphink> why?
[08:30] <raphink> the fact is that the content of the reportError is displayed in the tab
[08:31] <raphink> in addition to causing the popup
[08:31] <toma> indeed, so use the reportError() function, but with a different text
[08:31] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ping
[08:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: are you able to get kerry to actually do anything?
[08:31] <raphink> no
[08:31] <toma> raphink: that is the easiest way to solve this
[08:31] <raphink> cause I want no popup toma
[08:31] <raphink> I just want an info in the tab
[08:32] <toma> then you have to write a new reportErrorNoPopup
[08:32] <Tonio_> jpatrick: there is an issue with kmplayer
[08:32] <Tonio_> it doesn't read the global kmplayerrc file
[08:32] <Tonio_> no way.......
[08:32] <toma> raphink: visitors, sorry bbl
[08:32] <raphink> ok
[08:32] <Tonio_> I put it everywhere (/usr/share/config, /etc/kde3/, /usr/share/apps/kmplayer)
[08:33] <jpatrick> :|
[08:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: it doesn't read it except from ~/.kde/share/config
[08:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, done
[08:33] <raphink> toma_: http://pastebin.com/623628
[08:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I saw searching google, that you already saw that issue, so do you have an idea ?
[08:33] <jpatrick> saw what issue?
[08:34] <jpatrick> where?
[08:34] <Tonio_> on your blog :)
[08:34] <Tonio_> you blogged about that kmplayerrc file
[08:34] <jpatrick> Tonio_: damn ;)
[08:34] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:34] <jpatrick> forgot about that place
[08:35] <Tonio_> I was just wondering what to do with it.......
[08:35] <Tonio_> it appears in the source that it always create a default config........
[08:35] <Tonio_> i don't understand why......
[08:35] <Tonio_> I may try with old version
[08:36] <raphink> I'll try this way
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: kerry actually work for me - I use package from freeflying
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: you need to start daemon and define what to scan, then it takes some time
[08:41] <Riddell> Lure: how do I do that?
[08:42] <Lure> Riddell: you need to install "beagle" package (I suppose kerry should depend on it as no use without)
[08:42] <Riddell> yep, it does
[08:43] <Lure> then in main search window you will be able to start daemon (it offered me there)
[08:43] <Riddell> beagled running too
[08:43] <Riddell> in kerry?
[08:43] <Lure> OK, check "Configure kerry" and see Indexing tab
[08:43] <raphink> bbl
[08:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: needs /usr/bin/beagled which is in 'beagle'
[08:43] <Lure> yes, kerry offered me to start daemon (in main page)
[08:47] <jpatrick> Riddell:  final verdict?
[08:47] <Riddell> beagled seems to keep quitting on me
[08:48] <jpatrick> works like a charm here
[08:48] <Riddell> how do I start the gnome frontend?
[08:49] <jpatrick> beagle?
[08:49] <Riddell> no such program
[08:51] <Riddell> oh!
[08:51] <Riddell> I have to click the Find button!
[08:52] <toma_> raphink: in that case you can return " new KCMError( i18n("install bla"), i18n("some details"), parent ); " instead of the qlabel
[08:52] <Riddell> that goes against every other search line in KDE, and the UI clears when you type something so you think that it's going the searching
[08:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: =)
[08:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: err
[08:56] <Riddell> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2196
[08:57] <raphink> toma_: I'm building with the Qlabel
[08:57] <raphink> so we'll see what we get
[08:58] <raphink> the tab surely doesn't ask for a KCMError type
[08:58] <raphink> that would be weird
[09:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: done, uploaded(revu)
[09:07] <raphink> Riddell: where do we fix kde ? in kde 3.5.2 or still in dapper ?
[09:07] <Riddell> raphink: easiest if you send me the patch and I'll put it in my 3.5.2 packages
[09:08] <raphink> ok
[09:08] <raphink> so I don't put it in the kde 3.5.1 packages in dapper ?
[09:08] <Lure> Riddell: have you noticed how dark selection of new Kubuntu theme hides name of file in kerry? ;-)
[09:08] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[09:08] <Riddell> was just pondering that
[09:09] <Riddell> hmm, network manager 0.6.1 doesn't want to compile for me
[09:09] <Lure> Riddell: really? what is the problem?
[09:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2197
[09:09] <Lure> Riddell: using offical or Tonio repo for sources?
[09:10] <Tonio_> grmpf...........
[09:11] <Lure> Tonio_: is my powersave giving you hard time? ;-)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: nope, I'm having problems with kmplayer
[09:11] <Tonio_> this stupid app doesn't want to read default config
[09:12] <jpatrick> Lure: welcome to the club
[09:14] <jpatrick> now if Riddell would let me upload....
[09:15] <Tonio_> what is that kerry ?
[09:15] <jpatrick> kbfx when I get round to it
[09:15] <Lure> KDE front-end to beagle search
[09:15] <jpatrick> a KDE frontend to Beagle
[09:15] <Tonio_> k
[09:15] <raphink> jpatrick: ah cool
[09:15] <Tonio_> I prefer kat personnaly ;)
[09:16] <hunger> Tonio_: Yeap, but that does not work at all in kubuntu:-(
[09:16] <Lure> Tonio_: try kerry and you will change your mind
[09:16] <Tonio_> hunger: true
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: why "hating"
[09:17] <Lure> it is a bloat and you get Beagle.exe and stuff in your ps output ;-)
[09:17] <Riddell> how is it bloat?
[09:17] <hunger> Tonio_: Did you see how big that runtime is? And that gets installed for a few apps only.
[09:18] <jpatrick> Tonio_: http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot16av.png
[09:18] <Lure> Riddell: I have played with different Mono apps and they look nice, but memory consumption is huge
[09:18] <Lure> I suppose due to fancy memory mgmt features of Mono/C#
[09:18] <hunger> Lure: It is a VM with garbage collection.
[09:18] <Tonio_> hunger: like java, or ay other backend :)
[09:18] <Riddell> Lure: is it worse than e.g. python?
[09:19] <hunger> Lure: That does not go well with memory management.
[09:19] <Lure> Riddell: IMHO, yes
[09:19] <hunger> So where is kerry?
[09:19] <Riddell> hunger: revu
[09:19] <jpatrick> with me waiting ;)
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: 2 seconds..
[09:20] <hunger> Hmmm... no debs... nothing for me then;-)
[09:20] <hunger> I will hate it for using mono anyway;-)
[09:21] <Riddell> mono is evil it's true
[09:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: one more issue :(  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2197
[09:23] <Tonio_> okay, jpatrick, I found the problem.......
[09:23] <Tonio_> the standard kmplayer reads the config file
[09:24] <Tonio_> but not the embedded player
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_: :-( - stupid
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: yes..........
[09:25] <Tonio_> but that's it
[09:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, done, now?
[09:26] <Lure> hi Pygi
[09:26] <Pygi> hi Lure
[09:26] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume that's simple to patch, but I can't do it
[09:26] <Pygi> Tonio_: you broke something again? ^_^
[09:27] <Tonio_> Pygi: ??
[09:27] <Pygi> Tonio_: bah, nevermind
[09:30] <jpatrick> Tonio_: can you advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198, thank you
[09:30] <Lure> mbiebl: ping
[09:31] <Tonio_> jpatrick: reviewing
[09:32] <mbiebl> Lure, hi
[09:33] <Lure> mbiebl: I have reverted your acpid divert as it have caused regression for hotkeys (ibm, toshiba)
[09:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: advocated! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198
[09:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: poke raphink or Tonio_ or someone for a second revu
[09:33] <Lure> mbiebl: good thing is that powersave still works fine
[09:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: just did
[09:34] <mbiebl> Lure, yes diverting acpid was just a workaround.
[09:34] <mbiebl> proper integration in acpi-support is better.
[09:34] <Lure> mbiebl: I know, but the fact is that acpi-support scripts are almost fine for us
[09:34] <Lure> mbiebl: this is next step I plan to do with acpi-support maintainer
[09:35] <Lure> mbiebl: I have picked up latest package for sid, did the ubuntu changes and Tonio_ will now put .deb on test repo
[09:35] <jpatrick> "the test repo" - groovy :)
[09:35] <Lure> mbiebl: do you have any ppc user of powersave? raphink has problems on ppc...
[09:35] <mbiebl> Almost. sleep.sh should have a CheckPolicy check at the beginning.
[09:36] <Lure> mbiebl: I cannot test sleep, as my notebook does not work
[09:36] <mbiebl> And as you already wrote in the email CheckPolicy should check for powersaved and not kpowersave.
[09:36] <Lure> mbiebl: sleep is also broken for klaptop users due to bugs
[09:37] <mbiebl> Was waiting for the final stable kpowersave/powersave packages before writing a response.
[09:38] <mbiebl> kpowersave 0.6 will be released this week (stable) and the stable powersave package have been released last week. 
[09:38] <Lure> mbiebl: suse has rc1 tommorow, maybe this will be it
[09:38] <jpatrick> the bug bot!
[09:38] <Lure> mbiebl: I am also in discussion with thoeing for k-n-m
[09:39] <mbiebl> Lure, already have packages for k-n-m on debian utopia.
[09:39] <mbiebl> Do you know that?
[09:39] <mbiebl> I've been in contact with Timo for some time now.
[09:39] <Lure> mbiebl: have seen those, need to check with Tonio_ (we did our own before)
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198 little improvements needed
[09:39] <mbiebl> We should avoid duplicate work.
[09:39] <Tonio_> can be done in 5 mintues
[09:39] <Tonio_> minutes
[09:39] <Lure> mbiebl: what do you do with dial-up in debian (yast2)
[09:40] <Lure> we have just removed it for now as n-m backend is also lacking
[09:40] <mbiebl> Nothing right know. We could remove this menu entry though to avoid confussion.
[09:41] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I didn't use cdbs because it needed make -f admin* thingy
[09:41] <mbiebl> Ah, so you were faster than me ;-)
[09:41] <jpatrick> long desc, /me thinks
[09:41] <Lure> our package is on http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[09:42] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, but short and long desc have to be different :)
[09:42] <Tonio_> cdbs was just an opinion :) not the reason for NO
[09:42] <jpatrick> but WHAT to add?
[09:42] <jpatrick> it's just about it
[09:42] <Tonio_> jpatrick: description of what if beagle for example
[09:42] <apachelogger> jpatrick: advertisment ;-)
[09:42] <Tonio_> lookat the knetworkmanager package
[09:43] <Tonio_> it is just a frontend, and has a real long desc
[09:43] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I'm just copying the beagle one
[09:44] <jpatrick> should I add http://en.opensuse.org/Kerry ?
[09:45] <Tonio_> yes, homepage is required
[09:45] <Tonio_> not obviously, but strongly :)
[09:45] <jpatrick> Tonio_: now may I upload?
[09:46] <jpatrick> ....s'il vous plat?
[09:47] <apachelogger> shall I first mail the UVF exception request or first upload to revu?
[09:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, if you added long desc and homepage, you can upload :)
[09:47] <jpatrick> yahoo!
[09:47] <apachelogger> google!
[09:47] <apachelogger> :P
[09:48] <apachelogger> UVF vs. REVU
[09:48] <Lure> kerry
[09:48] <Lure> ;-)
[09:48] <jpatrick> Kerry has entered the archives
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: building *powersave and uploading
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[09:48] <mbiebl> Lure, with kpowersave 0.6 getting release this week we should also request a UVF freeze for it.
[09:48] <hunger> jpatrick: I do not see it yet:-)
[09:48] <Tonio_> can someone help me on the kmplayer plugin problem ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> I'm certain it is easy to fix, but I can't do it myself
[09:49] <Tonio_> that's important for dapper :)
[09:49] <Lure> mbiebl: yes, I hope Tonio_ knows how to do this ;-)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:49] <Tonio_> mbiebl: yvf exception needed
[09:49] <Tonio_> I can only upload them on my personal repo
[09:50] <Tonio_> do you know how to ask for uvfe ?
[09:50] <mbiebl> Tonio_, what's yvf?
[09:50] <Tonio_> uvf sorry :)
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, we should wait for kpowersave 0.6 release, then UVF exception
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: agree
[09:50] <jpatrick> hunger: behold LP: https://launchpad.net/people/jpatrick/+packages
[09:50] <Lure> but we probably can do the Revu thing first
[09:51] <mbiebl> Lure, did you notice that libnl has been accepted in dapper? 
[09:51] <mbiebl> Scott has added it to the archive.
[09:51] <Lure> mbiebl: also n-m and wpasupplicant, they are just stuck in build queue
[09:52] <Lure> mbiebl: wpasupplicant is still in universe and need to move to main to allow n-m to build
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the reason for this ?
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't wpasupplicant already in main ?
[09:52] <Lure> mbiebl: Scott added dependancy on wpasupplicant, not sure why
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: no, it was just promoted, but not executed
[09:52] <mbiebl> NM without wpasupplicant is pretty useless.
[09:53] <Lure> mbiebl: I know, but there might be users with WEP only, so some developers said that it should only recommend
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the compression level you use for powersave orig ?
[09:53] <mbiebl> It even needs it for WEP encryption I think.
[09:53] <Lure> ask mbiebl - you got it from them
[09:54] <mbiebl> --best
[09:54] <Tonio_> I can't dpkg-source
[09:54] <jtshaw> not to jump in on an arguement that isn't mind... but wpa_supplicant is excellent for wireless profiles, WEP, WPA, ect.
[09:54] <Tonio_> lure ?
[09:54] <Lure> jtshaw: I agree, but some do not... ;-)
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: what is the error? uncompress problem?
[09:55] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2199 anyone got time to revu?
[09:55] <Tonio_> dpkg-source: error: file powersave_0.12.7.orig.tar.gz has size 867815 instead of
[09:55] <Tonio_> Lure: do you want to uplolad them on the repo by yourself ?
[09:55] <Tonio_> Ican give you ftp access
[09:55] <mbiebl> Tonio_, did you grab it from my private repo?
[09:55] <Lure> just a minute
[09:56] <Tonio_> mbiebl: nope, I downloaded original .tar.Bz2 and converted to tar.bz
[09:56] <Tonio_> tar.Gz
[09:56] <mbiebl> and then you used dpkg-source -x?
[09:56] <Lure> Tonio_: I have the one from mbiebl's debian/sid repo
[09:57] <mbiebl> Will probably not work. Even if you have the same compression level.
[09:57] <Lure> they already have in orig.tar.gz name
[09:57] <mbiebl> The md5sum of the tarball will be different.
[09:57] <Lure> mbiebl: true
[09:57] <Tonio_> Lure: why don't you upload yourself ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> it'll be easier ;)
[09:57] <Lure> I can...
[09:57] <Tonio_> lure pv
[09:57] <mbiebl> I could. I just don't know the procedures.
[09:58] <mbiebl> I'm a Debian guy and don't know how (k)ubuntu works.
[09:59] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[09:59] <jpatrick> ^I'm listed in that changelog
[09:59] <mbiebl> So it's probably easier if one of you takes care of that.
[10:00] <mbiebl> Or 
[10:00] <mbiebl> give me instructions how to do it.
[10:00] <mbiebl> E.g. I don't know where to file this UVF execptions.
[10:03] <mbiebl> Lure, I have to go now but I will be around on IRC the next days.
[10:04] <Lure> mbiebl: thanks - will be in touch
[10:04] <mbiebl> We can then discuss the next steps for (k)powersave .
[10:04] <mbiebl> cu.
[10:07] <jpatrick> night
[10:29] <Tonio_> Lure: what about the wpa patch for knetworkmanager ?
[10:29] <Tonio_> Lure: did you test ?
[10:29] <Lure> yes, it is working great for me
[10:29] <Tonio_> nice, so we just have to wait for new tarball tomorrow ;)
[10:30] <Lure> yes. r5909 that is in repository does not have this bug (only r5923)
[10:35] <apachelogger> still noone wanna revu kblogger? :-|
[10:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: url plz ?
[10:36] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2199
[10:36] <apachelogger> :)
[10:42] <toma> not using kwallet? tssss...
[10:42] <apachelogger> amaroK doesn't use kwallet either :P
[10:43] <Lure> akregator neither (for rss feeds with passwords)....
[10:44] <toma> double tssss
[10:48] <_Sime> raphink: ping
[10:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: package look fine
[10:55] <Tonio_> only problem
[10:55] <Tonio_> it is not actually in the archives
[10:56] <Tonio_> so the changelog should only contain one entry
[10:56] <Tonio_> and you should comment the patch in the changelog
[10:56] <Tonio_> apart from that, nice ;)
[10:57] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kicker-kblogger ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> kicker-blogger.........
[10:57] <Tonio_> shame on me ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you can say "when tired, Tonio is ridiculous !"
[10:58] <apachelogger> ;-)
[10:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can you plz add informations concerning the kdepotpatch
[10:59] <Tonio_> and then I give my yes ;)
[10:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you will have to ask for UVFe
[10:59] <apachelogger> ok
[11:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: just mail the motu list with description for the exception and the url to revu?
[11:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: no, need to post bug to launchpad
[11:01] <Tonio_> let me give you an example
[11:01] <apachelogger> plz
[11:03] <Lure> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[11:03] <Lure> I am just investigating this for powersave... ;-)
[11:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/34341
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[11:03] <Tonio_> create a bug on the source package, lmike this one
[11:04] <Tonio_> join the same 3 files I joined, and a little explanation on the reason it is interesting to update it
[11:06] <apachelogger> Tonio_: is the pot patch actual needed? since the upstream includes a pot?
[11:06] <apachelogger> or is rosetta using special pots?
[11:06] <Tonio_> yep
[11:07] <Tonio_> I just say : comment what is the patch you added
[11:07] <Tonio_> in debian/changelog
[11:07] <danimo> Riddell: is there a way to get a more recent syncce version into dapper?
[11:07] <danimo> Riddell: the current one seems not to work
[11:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ok :)
[11:16] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202
[11:34] <Lure> Tonio_: added info about your repo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[11:36] <apachelogger> how to get a proper diffstat output?
[11:39] <Lure> Tonio_: can you also put powersave/kpowersave to REVU?
[11:42] <raphink> _Sime: pong
[11:50] <apachelogger> raphink: can I diffstat on a debdiff output?
[11:50] <apachelogger> because it outputs quite some crap here
[11:52] <raphink> sure you can
[11:52] <raphink> debdiff file1.dsc file2.dsc | diffstat
[11:52] <raphink> works fine :)
[11:54] <apachelogger> raphink: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10868 not for kblogger :|
[11:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:57] <apachelogger> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202 can you please revu it?
[11:59] <raphink> wait a mini
[11:59] <raphink> min
[12:00] <raphink> well the reason why the diff fails is obvious
[12:00] <raphink> it has binary contents
[12:00] <raphink> images ;)
[12:00] <raphink> http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages on this subject btw ;)
[12:00] <raphink> I think upstream devs might gain from it too
[12:00] <raphink> imho