[12:03] <simian__> i have set my router to forward all trafic from port 80 to my ip address but outsiders can't see my apache webserver
[12:03] <kwtm1> simian: Is your computer seeing the requests?
[12:04] <_neoncode> simian__: is apache setup to lisen on port 80? and is the service running?
[12:04] <glick> simian__: your service provider is probably blocking port 80
[12:04] <_neoncode> and is there a firewall on your computer it's self?
[12:04] <glick> as most do
[12:04] <simian__> i'm a total apache noob so i might be apache and not router
[12:04] <_neoncode> glick: They do?
[12:04] <glick> _neoncode: yes
[12:04] <bojan> why doesnt kubuntu keep my resolution?
[12:05] <simian__> _neoncode: do most service providers block port 80?
[12:06] <kwtm1> simian__: There's a setp-by-step guide on the web somewhere --I forget where it is.  Anyway, first you see if you can see your own web page from your own computer (go to http://localhost), and then try it from a different computer.
[12:06] <kwtm1> (presumably you have more than one, since you have a router).
[12:06] <simian__> someone told me that apache doesn't need much configuring
[12:06] <kwtm1> simian__: If your ISP block port 80, just put it somewhere else, like 1080, and then get your router to forward 1080 to your own computer:80.
[12:06] <Cilindrador> dman
[12:07] <Cilindrador> i have to compile my own new firefox v1.5.0.1
[12:07] <kwtm1> simian__ : That depends on your distribution.  For Ubuntu, probably not much.  But you have to do the minimum!
[12:07] <Cilindrador> is there no other SCIM-like package that does not break compatibility
[12:07] <simian__> kwtm1: i can view my webserver over a lan but not from outside
[12:07] <kwtm1> Simian__: you have to, first of all, turn it on, and secondly make sure your own security system isn't blocking the requests.
[12:08] <alexb_> !firefox1.5
[12:08] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[12:08] <kwtm1> simian__ : Okay, so it's not your server computer.  It might be the router after all.  Do you have a decent computer outside the network to test it with?
[12:08] <simian__> no
[12:09] <kwtm1> Okay, should I try it?  What's your IP address?
[12:09] <sander__> Someone in here was testing knetwork-manager the otherday. Does anyone know where I can get it?
[12:10] <kwtm1> simian__: What's your IP address?
[12:10] <simian__> kwtm1: http://86.129.143.68/
[12:11] <sander__> join #ubuntu+1
[12:11] <sander__> doh
[12:11] <kwtm1> simian__: I'm connecting now... seems to be a delay.  Your IP hasn't changed, has it?
[12:11] <kwtm1> simian__: (sometimes they change a few times a day)
[12:11] <simian__> kwtm1: let me check
[12:11] <kwtm1> simian__: Next step, if it times out (I'm still not getting a response) is to try a different port.
[12:12] <simian__> 86.129.143.68   from myipaddress.com
[12:12] <kwtm1> simian__: Okay, can you also forward a different port, like 8080, to your port 80?
[12:13] <Cilindrador> if i install firefox v1.5.0.1 and have SCIM installed (v1.0.2) it crashes the new FF. However i have the new v2.4.4 SCIM, and was wondering if this release carries any problems to firefox
[12:13] <kwtm1> simian__: (I'll check that too, and then I'll have to leave to run an errand, but at least we'll know for sure whether there's actually a problem)
[12:13] <simian__> kwtm1: would i need to change and gonfig files in apache if i do that?
[12:13] <kwtm1> Cilindrador: you're running SCIM?
[12:14] <kwtm1> Cilindrador: Does it work okay?  (not counting firefox problems)  I've been trying to get it to run, but nothing seems to happen.  It's as if I hadn't installed it at all.
[12:14] <simian__> kwtm1:  thanks for your help :)
[12:14] <kwtm1> simian__: You don't need to change anything with Apache.  Just change your router.
[12:14] <koolatron> would someone mind explaining to me exactly what SCIM is needed?
[12:14] <koolatron> why SCIM is needed, rather
[12:14] <Cilindrador> kwtm1, not yet
[12:14] <kwtm1> simian__: If you're using one of those common D-Link or Linksys routers, for example,
[12:15] <Cilindrador> im looking at TFM
[12:15] <Cilindrador> damn install from source
[12:15] <simian__> kwtm1: ok i have forwarded port 8080 to 192.168.2.102
[12:16] <kwtm1> simian__: there's a place (under http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1) where you can say, "all packets that come in looking for port 8080 get sent to (insert your Web server here) port 80"
[12:16] <clausawits> Hello all... I'm having trouble with getting the integrated NIC on my motherboard working..
[12:16] <kwtm1> simian__: Okay, so your web server is 192.168.2.102...
[12:16] <simian__> kwtm1: i think that's what you meant?
[12:16] <kwtm1> simian__: Yes.  Let me try loading...
[12:17] <kwtm1> simian__: It's not connecting.  I think it's going to time out.  So it's a matter of requests coming into your router.  Hmm.
[12:17] <clausawits> motherboard is nforce4, and the nvidia install script ran without error, but
[12:17] <kwtm1> simian__: Well, I'm going to go, so think about it.  You already know that somehow the signal seems to be not getting past your router.
[12:17] <clausawits> I don't know Kubuntu's /etc structure well enough to get Kubuntu to see it.
[12:18] <simian__> kwtm1: ok thanks again for your help
[12:18] <kwtm1> simian__: and that internally, within your LAN it seems to work.  Anyway, bye!
[12:18] <kwtm1> Cilindrador: Okay, good luck with SCIM/SKIM.  Sorry I couldn't help.
[12:18] <kwtm1> Bye all!
[12:19] <clausawits> so anyone know how to make Kubuntu see my NIC?
[12:21] <simian__> sorry to be a pain, but can someone please enter 86.129.143.68 into their browser and let me no if they can see anything there   because i have just changed some setting on my router
[12:22] <simian__> i suspect it will jsut time out
[12:23] <Cilindrador> sudo move /opt/ file1 file2
[12:23] <clausawits> timeout..
[12:23] <Cilindrador> what is worng with this?
[12:23] <clausawits> move -> mv ?
[12:23] <Cilindrador> yes?
[12:23] <clausawits> or is move aliased to mv in kubuntu?
[12:24] <clausawits> so nobody knows how to add a NIC to kubuntu?
[12:24] <Blissex> clausawits: 'type move' in the shell.
[12:24] <simian__> clausawits: sorry i don't
[12:25] <Cilindrador> dman
[12:25] <clausawits> Blissex: move gives "command not found"
[12:25] <clausawits> do you mean "mv"? or am I missing something?
[12:27] <Cilindrador> how do switch from one-click to double.click (on the desktop icons)
[12:27] <osh_> clausawits: it's not detected automatically? what does lspci -v say?
[12:28] <clausawits> osh: it is not detected automatically.. lspci lists a lot of "unknown devices" ...
[12:28] <clausawits> in addition to the PCI NIC I've added to get online..
[12:30] <clausawits> I'm really just trying to figure out where to put my "alias eth0 nvnet" statement...
[12:30] <simian__> !nic
[12:30] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, simian__
[12:30] <Cilindrador> how can i change mouse behaviour from double.click to single.click
[12:30] <clausawits> since Kubuntu uses a weird (to me) /etc structure..
[12:30] <Cilindrador> or the other way around
[12:31] <Cilindrador> rigth now konqueror is on "web"-mode
[12:32] <nalioth> clausawits: it's *nix standard /etc/
[12:32] <osh_> clausawits: isn't there a /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules or something? What does google say about your weird NIC?
[12:32] <Cilindrador> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[12:33] <Cilindrador> It is highly recommanded to install scim into a system wide dir, like /usr.
[12:33] <Cilindrador> Now you are ready to build and install scim:
[12:33] <Cilindrador> whats the problem with OPT
[12:33] <clausawits> osh: there is no modules.conf, nor conf.modules
[12:33] <clausawits> there is "modules"
[12:33] <clausawits> there is a modutils directory
[12:33] <clausawits> there is a modprobe.d directory
[12:34] <clausawits> the two directories each have an "aliases" file in them...
[12:34] <clausawits> I tried putting it in there, but it didn't seem to do any good.  Do I do one? Which one? both?
[12:35] <clausawits> Where can I read up on this?  (without having to read 1 million pages of unrelated background material)
[12:39] <osh_> clausawits: don't start off there. start with modprobe and try to find some module that works for your nic.
[12:39] <clausawits> actually lsmod lists the "nvnet" module that nvidia says is the one I need...
[12:39] <Cilindrador> the instructions
[12:39] <Cilindrador> make
[12:39] <Cilindrador> make install
[12:39] <clausawits> but when I do sudo ifup eth0, I get..
[12:40] <osh_> clausawits: I'm fairly new to (k)ubuntu too. Not to linux though.
[12:40] <Cilindrador> are supposed to be seperate?
[12:40] <Cilindrador> and what is the difference between them?
[12:40] <clausawits> it says unknown interface eth0
[12:40] <jsubl2> clausawits, dmesg|grep eth
[12:41] <nrdb> I am having trouble with my timezone it was meant to change from +11.00 to +10.00 last night and hasn't!  The Date & Time preferences is set to the correct local, what else could cause this?
[12:41] <clausawits> jsubl2: hmmm.. there's a line about forcedeth..
[12:42] <jsubl2> that sounds right  is it eth0 or
[12:42] <clausawits> but I have a line alias forcedeth off
[12:42] <clausawits> forecdeth is listed as eth0, which is what I had alias eth0 nvnet set too..
[12:42] <clausawits> :/
[12:43] <jsubl2> i have my builtin nvnet turned off and use a $10 nic
[12:43] <jsubl2> had lots of problems with it
[12:43] <jsubl2> msi k8n mobo
[12:44] <clausawits> jsubl2: k8n neo4 here..
[12:44] <clausawits> I want to return this pci nic to the computer it came from.. :/
[12:44] <jsubl2> i generally have a nic laying around so...
[12:44] <Cilindrador> what a fucking mess
[12:44] <clausawits> hehe.. it seems a waste..
[12:44] <Cilindrador> can someone help me out with this isntall from source businesS?
[12:44] <jsubl2> this maybe my last msi mobo
[12:44] <clausawits> nrdb: where are you that had a timezone change last night?
[12:45] <nrdb> clausawits: sydney/australia
[12:45] <zoomorfo> hello
[12:45] <clausawits> Cil: what's the problem? what are you installing from source?
[12:45] <Cilindrador> im screwing the system from source
[12:45] <Cilindrador> tahts what im doing
[12:45] <clausawits> nrdb: ahh.. our time change here in the US is next weekend..
[12:46] <clausawits> Cil: well, if you're going to screw something, best to screw it from source.. ;)
[12:46] <nrdb> clausawits: ok, do you know why I didn't get the change?
[12:46] <nrdb> clausawits: my FC4 box changed correctly.
[12:47] <conn> just in case anyone's running dapper in here, try something out (it may work in breezy too). Open kcontrol, and navigate through the different pages, noting the time it takes to load each "module". Now stop the readahead and readahead-desktop scripts, and do the same test with kcontrol. It's much faster here! Try noting the startup time of other applications too, everything seems a lot snappier
[12:47] <clausawits> nrdb: unfortunately not... I've not dealt much with that stuff.. I guess I would start looking to see if the ntp program might be involved (if running)
[12:47] <nrdb> clausawits: the time is correct (UTC) but the offset is incorrect.
[12:48] <Steven_M> Is anyone here runnng a 64-bit version of kde?
[12:48] <clausawits> nrdb: hmm..
[12:48] <clausawits> Steven: I am (sorta..)
[12:48] <Cilindrador> clausawits, can i pvt u?
[12:49] <clausawits> Cil: I doubt I'll be much help, but why not?
[12:51] <clausawits> nrdb:  For this year only, Australian states with Day Light Saving time have changed the daylight saving time transition dates to the first Sunday of April 2006.
[12:51] <clausawits> nrdb: from http://wpram.com/log/category/linux/
[12:51] <clausawits> nrdb: maybe kubuntu is reacting to that?
[12:52] <nrdb> clausawits: thanks for that.  its the other system thats wrong both FC4 and win95, sorry for the trouble. :)
[12:53] <clausawits> no problem..
[12:53] <clausawits> glad I could help!
[12:53] <_jeff> hey gangsters
[12:54] <_jeff> does anybody here use Smb4k to network with xp?
[12:54] <clausawits> jeff: not me, sorry..
[12:54] <clausawits> ok, well, if there's no more advice to trying to get my onboard NIC working, I think I'll go work on some other stuff..
[12:55] <_jeff> lol
[12:56] <nrdb> clausawits: I was looking at a web page it said that /etc/localtime is meant to be a symlink to a file in /usr/share/zoneinfo do you know why it isn't?
[12:56] <clausawits> nrdb: unfortunately, I'm quite new to Kubuntu and find its file structure to be odd (compared to my experiences)
[12:57] <clausawits> nrdb: so I can't really give any rationale for anything like that!
[12:57] <nrdb> clausawits: ok.
[12:57] <clausawits> alright all.. I think I'll have to work on this NIC issue again some other time..  goodbye!
[12:58] <_jeff> so no smb4k users?
[12:59] <amreason> HELP WITH GRUB ERROR 23 anyone?
[01:00] <amreason> thanks anyways ill crack at the forums
[01:00] <amreason> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4251.0
[01:01] <Phazeman> durga: just out of the google: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_13.html
[01:03] <Steven_M> clausawits: do you have any problem with programs not appearing on the task bar?
[01:05] <amreason> thanks phazeman
[01:06] <amreason> thanks guys!
[01:07] <Cilindrador> hm
[01:07] <bojan> i have created another account on my computer, and i want it to have all the same priviliges as me.  I have put the new account in the same secondary groups as me, but the new account still can't do some admin stuff like midifing disks/mount points, or modifiying users.  what's up?
[01:07] <Cilindrador> ive untar'd scim-1,4,4 into /opt, did the ./confi... thing, and then did "make" "make install"
[01:08] <Cilindrador> now i have folders outside /opt/scim-1,4,4 (outside as in inside /opt/ but not scim's folder)
[01:08] <Cilindrador> any clues?
[01:08] <richard> Anyone give me help in installing some Kubuntu repositories into synaptic. I'm running Mepis Experimental which uses Dapper-5
[01:10] <richard> I'm looking for the repository info for nerim.net
[01:11] <borelia> i got this problem with a flash page app it works great for about 20 sek then laggs out any got an idea ?
[01:13] <Wingede> anyone experienced issues with IBM desktop's in that it hangs after a period of being idle?
[01:14] <_mindspin> only with thinkpad
[01:15] <_mindspin> try to disable acpi in /boot/grunb/menu.lst  by adding acpi=off to your default boot menu entry
[01:15] <_mindspin> it helped here
[01:16] <_mindspin> grub
[01:16] <Wingede> ahh ok, i just added that - I had issues with grub also on this type of machine
[01:16] <Wingede> but lilo seems ok and added it.. fingers crossed
[01:16] <_mindspin> it's acpi related
[01:16] <_mindspin> or better IBM's responsibility
[01:17] <Wingede> what's the quickest way to verify that acpi is off?
[01:17] <Wingede> lsmod ?
[01:18] <_mindspin> no
[01:19] <_jeff> hey guys
[01:19] <_jeff> does anybody network with smb4k?
[01:19] <_jeff> it always asks me for authentication when i try to access a share
[01:20] <_mindspin> Wingede: cat /var/log/syslog |grep acpi  maybe
[01:20] <_jeff> but i dont know what kind of authentication it wants
[01:20] <_mindspin> depends on the smb.conf afaik
[01:21] <_jeff> im trying to access the C$ drive on my windows comp
[01:21] <_jeff> whats afaik?
[01:21] <_mindspin> as far as I know
[01:22] <ryanakca> _jeff: if you want to access a samba share, use konqueror...
[01:22] <_mindspin> try it with your amin user account informations on your win machine
[01:23] <_mindspin> ryanakca: he will be asked at all
[01:23] <_jeff> the win machine isnt password protected
[01:23] <_jeff> it has one account and no password
[01:23] <ryanakca> ick... that is bad...
[01:23] <_mindspin> so try it with username and empty password
[01:23] <_jeff> but whatever i put in, it wont let me in
[01:24] <_jeff> yeah thats what i do
[01:24] <_mindspin> did you set ashare on C ?
[01:24] <_jeff> no
[01:24] <_jeff> what do you mean?
[01:24] <_mindspin> I don't know the english name for "Freigabe"
[01:24] <ryanakca> you need to do that
[01:24] <_jeff> by setting a folder on c to shared?
[01:24] <ryanakca> go My Computer. Then right click the folder you want to share.
[01:25] <ryanakca> Click properties, followed by Sharing or whatever it is. Should be self explanatory from there.
[01:25] <simian__> kubuntu.org gives the repo for koffice 1.5 beta and i've added it to sources.list but i can't find koffice 1.5 anywehre
[01:25] <simian__> am i missing something?
[01:26] <ryanakca> simian__: "sudo apt-get update"
[01:26] <simian__> ryanakca: i've done that
[01:26] <ryanakca> hmmm... dunno then
[01:27] <simian__> ryanakca: thanks anyway :)
[01:27] <_jeff> thanks guys XD
[01:27] <ryanakca> simian__: no problem... I'm still kinda new to linux (almost a year), but I try to help out when I can...
[01:27] <ryanakca> simian__: I mainly point out the obvious... :)
[01:29] <_jeff> if i want to see the entire hard drive, how do i do that?
[01:30] <_mindspin> set a share on C
[01:30] <darkmatter1> hello
[01:30] <_mindspin> explorer-> C
[01:30] <darkmatter1> I REALLY need some good help
[01:31] <darkmatter1> i installed kubuntu to a secondary hard drive, the install went fine, but when it rebooted GRUB didnt work
[01:31] <darkmatter1> it went :  Loading Grub 1.5    ,  Loading Gurb Please wait.... ,  ERROR 21
[01:32] <darkmatter1> I looked up error 21, and it means no such device recognized
[01:32] <darkmatter1> then I reinstalled Kubuntu along with grub and the same thing happened
[01:32] <darkmatter1> now I cant boot into anything on my computer
[01:32] <darkmatter1> what can I do?
[01:33] <simian__> i've jsut installed koffice 1.4 and it's not on my menu? what's that about (dapper)
[01:33] <darkmatter1> hello?
[01:33] <darkmatter1> can anyone help me please?  im really really worried
[01:34] <darkmatter1> :(
[01:34] <Kyral> hmm?
[01:34] <Cilindrador> wtf?
[01:34] <Cilindrador> what is this?
[01:34] <Cilindrador> GRUB ERROR day?
[01:34] <simian__> sorry darkmatter1 i don't know how to help
[01:35] <darkmatter1> anyone?
[01:35] <tristanmike> darkmatter1: if worse comes to worse you can boot with an XP disc and do a fixmbr from the recovery console
[01:35] <Kyral> whats the problem
[01:35] <_mindspin> where did you install grub?
[01:37] <darkmatter1> :(
[01:38] <darkmatter1> i installed grub along with the kubuntu breezy install
[01:38] <darkmatter1> tristar
[01:38] <darkmatter1> so, im not completely screwed?
[01:38] <_mindspin> nope
[01:39] <_mindspin> grub just cannot detect the disc
[01:39] <darkmatter1> ok, im on the LILO page, not grub
[01:39] <darkmatter1> and i think this is my issue
[01:39] <_mindspin> or better the link from mbr to grub does not work
[01:39] <darkmatter1> the drive cant be seen from bios
[01:39] <darkmatter1> so, im reading up on lilo
[01:39] <_mindspin> is lilo in the MBR ?
[01:40] <darkmatter1> no
[01:40] <darkmatter1> grub is
[01:40] <_mindspin> or somwhere else  installed?
[01:40] <darkmatter1> lilo is not installed
[01:40] <darkmatter1> but, since grub is not working for me
[01:40] <darkmatter1> im reading about LILO
[01:40] <_mindspin> just to understand it, you installed LILO and get a grub error?
[01:41] <_mindspin> ok
[01:41] <darkmatter1> no
[01:41] <darkmatter1> I have not done anything with lilo
[01:41] <darkmatter1> on
[01:41] <darkmatter1> I had a winxp system
[01:42] <darkmatter1> it is on my master hard drive
[01:42] <_mindspin> i got it, you are just reading about LILO
[01:42] <darkmatter1> I installed kubuntu breezy
[01:42] <darkmatter1> from cd
[01:42] <darkmatter1> to my secondary
[01:42] <darkmatter1> hdb
[01:42] <darkmatter1> or hd1
[01:42] <darkmatter1> the install went fine
[01:42] <_mindspin> should be hdb
[01:42] <darkmatter1> it asked me if i wanted to put grub it the mbr
[01:42] <darkmatter1> i said yes
[01:42] <darkmatter1> I rebooted
[01:42] <darkmatter1> my comp checked ram and such
[01:42] <darkmatter1> then grub
[01:43] <darkmatter1> grub loading 1.5
[01:43] <_mindspin> !enter
[01:43] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[01:43] <darkmatter1> grub loading, please wait...
[01:43] <darkmatter1> ERROR 21
[01:43] <darkmatter1> sorry, I just get used to it
[01:43] <darkmatter1> heh, i just dont like reading large blocks of type, and im sort of hyper and nervous at the moment
[01:44] <darkmatter1> considering my $2000 system wont boot
[01:44] <darkmatter1> :/
[01:44] <_mindspin> its not amatter of price
[01:44] <Cilindrador> how do i
[01:44] <Cilindrador> Checking for the qt library       :  qt was not found
[01:44] <Cilindrador> Please set QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?) or try scons -h for more options
[01:44] <Cilindrador> set said directory
[01:44] <tristanmike> it's just harder for a person who's just comming in to scroll all the way up to try an catch up on what's been going on
[01:44] <_mindspin> enter your xp disk and do a fixmbr
[01:44] <darkmatter1> ok
[01:45] <darkmatter1> but then I cant boot into kubuntu ever?
[01:45] <_mindspin> reinstall it
[01:45] <darkmatter1> but, my winxp will be perfectly fine?
[01:45] <_mindspin> you could try with a live cd but that's a bit complicated and depends on your experience or willing to read/ask
[01:46] <darkmatter1> ?
[01:46] <darkmatter1> I like live cd's a lot but i cant get wifi
[01:46] <Cilindrador> how can i chack if i have Qt3 installed
[01:46] <_mindspin> its just for diagnostical anfd repair reasons
[01:47] <_mindspin> you can fix your grub issue fromout the live cd
[01:47] <_jeff> whats the command to see your mac address again?
[01:47] <_mindspin> arp
[01:47] <darkmatter1> really?
[01:47] <darkmatter1> how would I do that
[01:47] <chouette> hiho..anyone know how to make headphones work ?
[01:48] <_jeff> whats the one to see everything?
[01:48] <darkmatter1> because, Im pretty sure my grub install is fine, its the way bios recognizes my drives
[01:48] <_jeff> like how to see ur ip, gateway, subnet
[01:48] <_jeff> and all that great stuff
[01:48] <_mindspin> ifconfig
[01:48] <_jeff> thats the one
[01:48] <_jeff> thanks!
[01:48] <darkmatter1> they are like SCSI1 and SCSI2
[01:48] <jtshaw> _jeff: ifconfig tells you MAC Addr and subnet, for the gateway use route
[01:48] <_mindspin> darkmatter then play with the boot options
[01:49] <darkmatter1> what boot options?
[01:49] <_jeff> jtshaw: im trying to restrict access to my wlan to this copmuter alone
[01:49] <_mindspin> bios , sorry
[01:49] <darkmatter1> I went into bios, but onyly my optical drives are in there
[01:49] <darkmatter1> no hard disks
[01:50] <_mindspin> then run scsiconfig on botup
[01:50] <darkmatter1> ?  what is that?
[01:50] <_mindspin> but that#s far beyond my active knowledge, I didi it years ago
[01:51] <_mindspin> if you have a scsi system, on boot theres the possibility to start scsiconfig utility
[01:51] <jtshaw> _jeff: what is managing your wlan?
[01:51] <darkmatter1> alright
[01:51] <darkmatter1> so if i boot from my winxp disk, and use fixmbr, that will fix it, I will have all my windows files?
[01:52] <_mindspin> try this , but as mentioned, it's long ago and I cannot help you
[01:52] <_mindspin> its just a tip to put you on the track
[01:52] <Cilindrador> how do i set the QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?)
[01:52] <Cilindrador> ??
[01:52] <_mindspin> google will be your friend
[01:52] <darkmatter1> first of all, what is scsi?
[01:53] <tristanmike> pronounced "scuzzy", it's a type of drive, like IDE or SATA
[01:53] <_mindspin> do you have scsi hard disks?
[01:53] <Cilindrador> isnt it "skazzy"?
[01:53] <darkmatter1> they are Serial ata
[01:53] <_mindspin> fine that we talked about scsi
[01:53] <_mindspin> ;-)
[01:54] <tristanmike> tomato, tomato, .....well, that doesn't come out as well when you type it...
[01:54] <darkmatter1> so if they are sata, they arent scsi?
[01:54] <_mindspin> yup
[01:54] <darkmatter1> hm
[01:54] <_mindspin> forget about scsi
[01:54] <tristanmike> lol
[01:55] <darkmatter1> so, if I do the fixmbr, my winxp is saved, and back to the way it was/
[01:55] <darkmatter1> no data lost/
[01:55] <_mindspin> yup and the mbr is overwritten by the xp bootloader
[01:55] <darkmatter1> ok
[01:56] <_mindspin> and your ubuntu system is not visible(but still there)
[01:56] <darkmatter1> with the xp bootloader, can I boot kubuntu?
[01:56] <darkmatter1> but less riskily
[01:56] <_mindspin> afaik not, it was not on NT
[01:56] <tristanmike> no, you can't set a windows boot loader to boot Linux
[01:56] <darkmatter1> :/
[01:57] <Cilindrador> how do i set the QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?)
[01:57] <darkmatter1> what about Lilo
[01:57] <darkmatter1> would it fix my problem?
[01:58] <_mindspin> LILO can be a beast
[01:58] <darkmatter1> beast as in good/
[01:58] <darkmatter1> or bad?
[01:58] <_mindspin> both
[01:58] <_mindspin> read about lilo and dual boot first
[01:59] <_mindspin> there are zillions of sites and tutorials out there
[01:59] <darkmatter1> well, at least I feel a little bit at ease, knowing my system will boot
[01:59] <_mindspin> it worked for me everytime but I#ve read alot complaints about it
[03:01] <_mindspin> its 3 am here, I need sleep, bye
[03:02] <Cilindrador> wtf is kde-includes?
[03:02] <Cilindrador> Checking for the kde includes     :  The kde includes were NOT found
[03:02] <Cilindrador>  ---> what are these?
[03:03] <Cilindrador> in adept nothign shows up with kde-includes
[03:14] <ipfw> anyone in here a koffice fan ?
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> ipfw: I use it, why?
[03:14] <Spudchat> does anyone not get any sound after installing the flash plugin?
[03:15] <ipfw> CheeseBurgerMan: just wondering how it rates compared to OO these days ?
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Starts up faster.
[03:15] <ipfw> I used koffice before, but its been a while
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's why I use it. :P
[03:16] <ipfw> does it have the option to save your work to pdf ?
[03:16] <ipfw> thats something I love on OO
[03:16] <jtshaw> You can always get the cups pdf printer if it doesn't
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Doesn't look like it
[03:17] <ipfw> darn
[03:17] <Cilindrador> how do i set kde to open files/folders with doubleclick instead of singleclick (url style)?
[03:17] <ipfw> jtshaw: hmm, haven't heard of that .. I take it the cups pdf printer acts like a printer/spool && writes to a pdf file ?
[03:17] <Spudchat> now thats weird, sound for flash didnt work the first time but did the second..
[03:17] <jtshaw> ipfw: yep
[03:17] <ipfw> jtshaw: sexy
[03:18] <ipfw> Spudchat: something probably had ahold of your audio
[03:18] <jtshaw> ipfw: just like Adobe Distiller or whatever it is called in windows
[03:18] <ipfw> jtshaw: never heard of that either ;)
[03:18] <jtshaw> ipfw: Kubuntu appears to have the pdf printer install by default... at least it shows up on my system
[03:19] <Spudchat> ipfw: ahh allright cool
[03:19] <Spudchat> thanks
[03:19] <ipfw> jtshaw: I wouldn't even know where to look
[03:19] <ipfw> jtshaw: I'm still fairly new to the X/Desktop scene... I'm a bit old school, spent most of my 10+ years at the console
[03:20] <ipfw> jtshaw: aww, I found it
[03:22] <jtshaw> good good
[03:22] <jtshaw> I had to get my cheesesteak:)
[03:22] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[03:24] <Paradosso> I have to gather information into a simple database, to be quickly updated daily, and publish it in the guise of a neat chart (using colors) on a web page. What tools do I have and are best suited for such a task in kubuntu?
[03:25] <koolatron> mysql, perl
[03:25] <koolatron> maybe gnuplot?
[03:25] <koolatron> it depends on how complicated or automated you want it to be
[03:26] <koolatron> you could easily make charts and graphs with openoffice
[03:26] <koolatron> it has an excel-like spreadsheet program
[03:27] <jvaccaro> wow
[03:27] <jvaccaro> lotta people here
[03:28] <Paradosso> the database is very simple
[03:28] <Paradosso> it does not need to be automated except for a few macros
[03:28] <Rezonance> Hi
[03:29] <koolatron> openoffice.org calc is probably the easy way out.  mysql, perl, gnupot is probably the hard way.
[03:30] <Rezonance> Has anyone managed to get xgl working on mobility radeons? I am getting constant lockups.
[03:33] <cinder> hey!
[03:33] <cinder> whats the name of the amarok plugin to play mp3??
[03:35] <me2win> xine?
[03:35] <me2win> gstreamer?
[03:35] <cinder> yeap...
[03:36] <cinder> could be...
[03:42] <jvaccaro> you've getting problems with amarok cinder?
[03:42] <jvaccaro> you're i mean
[03:46] <Paradosso> what's the best sqlite frontend?
[04:10] <wincide> !seen jpatrick
[04:10] <ubotu> jpatrick <n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 6d 12h 27m 21s ago, saying: 'hey sebastian'.
[04:14] <laszlok> how can i make a bash script which will take me straight to a directory so i dont have to type the entire path each time
[04:14] <laszlok> or is the only way to make a symlink
[04:15] <Hobbsee> laszlok: i dont see why, but it'd be the standard way of writing a shell script
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ie, #!/bin/bash (or whatever it is)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> cd /path/to/file/or/directory
[04:16] <Hobbsee> personally, i'd just make a symlink, as i do to the my docs folder on the windows drive
[04:17] <laszlok> Hobbsee: i tried that, but the cd only changes the directory for use in the script
[04:17] <laszlok> Hobbsee: in other words if you try it, it does nothing
[04:18] <laszlok> the problem with a symlink is that you cant access from everywhere, but a script in your path you can
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> laszlok: try adding it to your global bashrc? so you would CD FOODIR and it takes you to /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah?
[04:22] <laszlok> Kamping_Kaiser: okay how do i add it
[04:23] <laszlok> Kamping_Kaiser: how do i define FOODIR to be a path
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> laszlok: `sudo vi /etc/bash.bashrc`, then add a line `alias FOODIR='cd /path/goes/here'` IIRC
[04:25] <laszlok> does alias only word for commands? because alias FOODIR='/path/goes/here', then cd FOODIR didnt work
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> in that case it would be an environment variable ( i think)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> so added to $PATH
[04:27] <kubou> hi
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:27] <laszlok> Kamping_Kaiser: if i create .bashrc in my home directory will it recognize it automatically?
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> laszlok: it should already exist, but it's only for you - other users wont get it
[04:29] <nrdb> I am running kubuntu I was wondering if the program 'kino' will work?
[04:29] <kubou> is there something remotly like viso in the archives?
[04:29] <kubou> visio
[04:31] <laszlok> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks :)
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> laszlok: np :)
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubou: what does it do?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> nrdb: should do
[04:32] <nrdb> I noticed it wants to install a lot of gnome stuff, is the ok?
[04:32] <kubou> Kamping_Kaiser: the feature that i am interesting is is storyline design. multible interconnected tasks chronologocaly organized
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubou: is dia what yhour after?
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> *your
[04:33] <kubou> Kamping_Kaiser: no
[04:33] <kubou> Kamping_Kaiser: i want something more task specific
[04:33] <kubou> Kamping_Kaiser: which does more task specific housekeeping for me
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. sorry, don't know. don't do much 'office' work
[04:34] <kubou> bummer, thanks for your time anyway :)
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry mate :)
[04:56] <nrdb> is there anyone here that knows how to use 'kino'
[04:59] <regeya> nrdb, what problem are you having with kino
[05:00] <nrdb> regeya: I have just installed it when I go to load an .avi file created with mencoder it won't load.
[05:00] <regeya> oh.
[05:00] <regeya> well, I've only loaded dv files into kino.
[05:00] <regeya> dunno.
[05:01] <nrdb> regeya: I can play the .avi file, how did you generate the dv file?
[05:02] <regeya> nrdb, uh, with a video camera. :-} hang on a sec...
[05:03] <regeya> nrdb, for editing/transcoding, you could do it with transcode, sure, but I recommend avidemux2.  unfortunately it can be a bit difficult to install.  http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/doc/en/install.xml.html
[05:04] <regeya> i don't know how, but you could most likely transcode it with mencoder...*shrug*
[05:05] <nrdb> regeya: I am using mencoder to convert the .mov to .avi then using ffmpeg to convert to .mpg none of which will load into kino with the open command.
[05:06] <nrdb> regeya: I can only suppose that the kino isn't install fully.
[05:07] <regeya> nrdb, I can only suppose you can't read.  /ignore
[05:50] <ShdwShinobi> Can someone guide me to the easiest way to install libcurl?
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> look in apt-
[05:51] <ShdwShinobi> I've tried doing apt-get, but it can't find the package.
[05:52] <bjv> apt-cache search libcurl? o_O
[05:53] <lubo> does anyone know how to make kwifimanager join network after PC boots up?
[05:54] <lubo> I always need to press activate button.
[05:56] <ShdwShinobi> bjv, thanks. it was libcurl3 i needed <.<
[06:07] <GNU_Styl> e
[06:07] <GNU_Styl> testing
[06:20] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate :)
[06:24] <KaoticEvil> hey man :)
[06:24] <KaoticEvil> whats shakin?
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, quite a bit, yourself?
[06:32] <greg> Hello
[06:33] <greg> Trying to do wireless.  Can I copy a /network/interfaces file verbatim say from SUSE or kanotix linux??
[06:33] <KaoticEvil> mostly happy that ive finally burned a CD under linux that works... and that i got my DVD drive working properly without a hitch :D
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> greg: you should be able to, yes... all linux distros use basically the same kernel...
[06:34] <greg> k thx
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> some distros modify it some, but it should still work, yes
[06:35] <greg> I was KaoticEvil finding Kwifi to lockup-- should I worry, just do /itnerfaces?      Add is there default root password? :)
[06:36] <jtshaw> greg: root password is scrambled... you can use sudo
[06:37] <greg> k
[06:37] <jtshaw> Ubuntu is setup like a OSX in that respect
[06:37] <greg> Taking one box off Kanotix, joining the ubuntu cult. ;-)
[06:38] <KaoticEvil> greg: does your wireless card require ndiswrapper?
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> greg: you could pastebin your interfaces file if you are worried about it breaking stuff, fwiw
[06:38] <greg> no, hand-selected an atheros
[06:38] <KaoticEvil> ok
[06:40] <KaoticEvil> is there a way i can change sudo's properties... i want it to cache the root password so i dont have to type it in every 5 minutes...
[06:40] <KaoticEvil> i did it once, on a previous install, but i cant remember how anymore :(
[06:41] <KaoticEvil> iirc, it was a terminal command i typed in too
[06:41] <bojan> my kdesu seems to have stopped working
[06:42] <bojan> if I type in kdesu <command> it just hangs
[06:42] <bojan> if I press Administrator Mode it hangs
[06:42] <bojan> in settings
[06:43] <jtshaw> is there a defunct kdesu on your system somewhere?
[06:43] <jtshaw> ps aux | grep kdesu | grep defunct
[06:44] <jtshaw> doh, missed him
[06:44] <greg> actually sorry, I don't know how to "root" on ubuntu
[06:44] <KaoticEvil> greg: use sudo <command>
[06:44] <KaoticEvil> and type in the password for the first user account you created
[06:44] <KaoticEvil> or, if you need a GUI app with root access, use kdesu <command>
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> the password is the same :)
[06:45] <greg> no kdesu working yet.
[06:46] <greg> I also tried sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces, and Konsole just locks up
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> that because kate is a GUI app..
[06:46] <greg> that kate command works well in kanotix & SUSE.
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> open the run box (Alt+F2) and click the options button ;)
[06:47] <KaoticEvil> i find that works if kdesu doesnt
[06:47] <greg> okay which option-- "high proirity" to edit  "interaces" ?
[06:48] <KaoticEvil> none of thise...
[06:48] <KaoticEvil> Run as a different user ;)
[06:48] <greg> ah!
[06:48] <greg> And password is my personal?
[06:49] <greg> Finding lots and lots of locked up & frozen Konsole windows.
[06:50] <KaoticEvil> yup
[06:52] <KaoticEvil> hmmm
[06:52] <KaoticEvil> why dont i have any docs installed?
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: your a nutter?
[06:53] <KaoticEvil> a what?
[06:53] <KaoticEvil> whats a "nutter"?
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl. <puts on deranged voice> a crazy person!
[06:54] <KaoticEvil> lol
[06:54] <KaoticEvil> well, my last psych evaluation says im crazy
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[06:55] <KaoticEvil> but i killed the shrink who did it, so no one else knows that :D
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;0
[06:56] <KaoticEvil> hehe
[06:56] <KaoticEvil> so many bodies... so few places to hide them...
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: you seen Snatch?
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> " i hear the best thing to do is to cut the body into 6 peices...."
[06:57] <greg> Does ubuntu have an "ath0" or do I **have to** call it wlan0 or something?
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> "... and feed it to pigs"
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> greg: it's usualy wlan0, but i think atheros show as ath0
[06:57] <greg> k cool
[06:59] <KaoticEvil> whats atheros?
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: no, actually.. the best thing to do is to bury the body with a LOT of limestone or lye
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: a wireless chipset
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> i need some games :(
[07:07] <KaoticEvil> anyone know of any good NES and/or SNES emulators that work well on kubuntu?
[07:13] <laszlok> KaoticEvil: i havent tried it but i saw this earlier http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36846
[07:13] <glick> excuse me does anyone know how to edit or delete filters in kmail?
[07:17] <laszlok> glick: message --> create filter --> filter on subject --> select delete in lower letf corner
[07:19] <glick> cant i filter based on what account it comes from?
[07:19] <KaoticEvil> wow... looks good laszlok... will have to check it out.. thanks :)
[07:33] <ipfw> anyone awake ?
[07:33] <ipfw> I'm using this "Konversation" irc client, how do I turn off the stupid join/part/quit msgs ?
[07:35] <robotgeek> ipfw: i dont use it, so please look in options
[07:37] <ipfw> robotgeek: easy enough, screw it, I'll bet bx && xchat :)
[07:37] <robotgeek> ipfw: i use irssi, i know how to do it in there
[07:39] <ncaller> I went to install eclipse via adept earlier today and I could not find it with adept, so I just did an sudo apt-get install eclipse-something like it said in the wiki and it worked, why did adept not see that package but apt-get was able to find/install it?
[07:40] <ncaller> by the way thanks to anyone who has contributed kubuntu is really nice.
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ncaller: did the wiki page add any sources?
[07:41] <ncaller> I don't believe so, I do have all the multiverse, universe, backports repos in added already
[07:41] <ipfw> there, fixed ;)
[07:48] <FHX> Hey all, how do I install windows in linux? I wish to have a dualboot but I don't want to have to reinstall everything from the beginning. Is there a way to create a partition and install windows from linux?
[07:49] <fatejudger> FHX: I have no idea what you mean by that
[07:49] <FHX> Okay
[07:49] <FHX> I mean right now I have Kubuntu
[07:49] <fatejudger> FHX: you're going to have to be more clear
[07:49] <FHX> And I want to have windows as well
[07:49] <ipfw> FHX:  there are two options (really), you can either install windows in a virtual machine (vmware), or you can make another partition, and DUAL Boot
[07:49] <FHX> is that possible?
[07:49] <FHX> Yes
[07:49] <FHX> How do I make the second partition?
[07:49] <FHX> from Linux
[07:49] <ipfw> FHX:  The Dual Boot Option is covered at tldp.org
[07:49] <fatejudger> FHX: if you install Windows you're going to have to fix grub
[07:50] <ncaller> FHX: step #1 backup your important data
[07:50] <FHX> fatejudger: Please explain..?
[07:50] <fatejudger> FHX: use QT Parted to create the new partition
[07:50] <fatejudger> FHX: then decide whether you want to emulate or dual boot
[07:50] <FHX> Okay I am *very* new to all of this, so instructions on how to do backups etc. would be great. Sorry for the trouble
[07:50] <fatejudger> FHX: depending on how much RAM you have
[07:50] <fatejudger> FHX: if you don't have that much, you should dual boot
[07:50] <FHX> fatejudger: Emulate means..? I'm wanting to have both linux and windows together
[07:50] <ipfw> the 2nd partition wont be made from linux, you will just make sure there is free space, and use that free space to make the windows partition (after booting from the windows cd)
[07:50] <FHX> Dual boot probably
[07:50] <ncaller> FHX: can you install a second Harddrive?
[07:50] <FHX> ipfw: Hm..yes but currently I have the full space on the linux partition, so I will have to resize?
[07:51] <ncaller> that is going to be the easiest way for you
[07:51] <FHX> ncaller: Nope
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: yes, use QTParted
[07:51] <FHX> I don't have another one
[07:51] <FHX> fatejudger: Okay, so I use qtparted from a livecd to resize my linux partition?
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: make sure you get a Linux live CD
[07:51] <ncaller> yes
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: you don't need to use it from a live cd
[07:51] <FHX> Okay, I don't remember the name of the partition though
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: just make sure you get one
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: so you can install GRUB back on
[07:51] <FHX> fatejudger: wait..install it back on? i don't want to delete it..
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: that's the reason for the live CD
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: ok listen
[07:51] <fatejudger> FHX: step one
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: make a new partition with QTParted
[07:52] <chavo> you can use the install cd to run fix grub also
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: step two
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: get a Live CD
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: step 3
[07:52] <fatejudger> install Windows on the new partition
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: step 4
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: install GRUB using the live CD
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: you won't have to back anything up
[07:52] <fatejudger> FHX: nothing will be deleted
[07:52] <FHX> Ahh..
[07:52] <FHX> Okay
[07:53] <fatejudger> FHX: does that make sense?
[07:53] <FHX> Do you remember the name of the partition I must resize?
[07:53] <FHX> Yes
[07:53] <fatejudger> FHX: it depends on your machine
[07:53] <FHX> It makes sense except for the grub part
[07:53] <fatejudger> isn't there a tutorial on the ubuntu wiki for this?
[07:53] <fatejudger> !windows
[07:53] <ubotu> fatejudger: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:53] <chavo> fhx, the windows install will overwrite the grub loader
[07:53] <fatejudger> !grub
[07:53] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:53] <fatejudger> there
[07:53] <fatejudger> the second one
[07:53] <FHX> Okay
[07:53] <FHX> so after installing windows
[07:53] <fatejudger> recovering ubuntu after install windows
[07:53] <fatejudger> yeah
[07:53] <fatejudger> print that out
[07:54] <FHX> okay hang on
[07:54] <FHX> i've just opened qtparted
[07:54] <FHX> i resize /dev/hda1?
[07:55] <FHX> one more thing
[07:55] <FHX> can I use the Ubuntu Live cd as well?
[07:55] <FHX> or does it have to be kubuntu?
[07:56] <chavo> FHX, either one
[07:56] <FHX> Okay, so either on ewill work and i can use either one to fix my grub and partition?
[07:56] <ipfw> FHX:  it _must_ be Kubuntu -- because I say so !
[07:56] <FHX> ? ..
[07:56] <FHX> Okay hang on
[07:56] <FHX> so it must be kubuntu?
[07:56] <chavo> you can fix grub with the install cd also, but it's a little more complicated
[07:56] <ipfw> FHX:  I'm just pulling your leg
[07:57] <FHX> ipfw: I'm new to this, so I take everything seriously. x.x
[07:57] <fatejudger> FHX: just use the Kubuntu live cd
[07:57] <fatejudger> FHX: unless you already downloaded the ubuntu one
[07:57] <FHX> I have the kubuntu one
[07:57] <FHX> I just need to find it. XD
[07:57] <ipfw> FHX:  Listen to fatejudger then, He actually cares ;)
[07:57] <fatejudger> ipfw: :P
[07:58] <ipfw> I'm to old for this shit
[07:58] <chavo> the dapper install cd has a Fix Grub option on it now
[07:59] <ipfw> chavo:  sweet
[07:59] <chavo> for future reference :)
[07:59] <ipfw> knoppix has ditched dhclient3 for some new crap that doesn't work to get my dhcp leases :P
[07:59] <ipfw> so I can't recommend it ;)
[08:00] <ipfw> I mean, ISC wrote the dhcpd (server), wtf not use their client to hook onto it ?
[08:00] <ipfw> feds
[08:00] <FHX> Hm..
[08:00] <FHX> Okay wait
[08:00] <FHX> would it be better for me to redownload the new live cd since it has a fix grub option?
[08:00] <ncaller> Is anyone able to use the "Interface Designer" portion of KDevelop on Breezy or Dapper?  It has always segfaulted when I try to run it, but I'm doing a dist-upgrade to dapper now to see if that will help
[08:01] <ipfw> FHX:  you must have plenty of bandwidth to waste
[08:01] <chavo> ncaller, runs here on dapper
[08:01] <FHX> Hm...
[08:01] <FHX> Okay hang on
[08:01] <FHX> I have to go now, I will start on it later with my laptop
[08:01] <FHX> Thanks for all you guys' help
[08:01] <chavo> good luck
[08:02] <ipfw> chavo:  having good luck with dapper aye ?
[08:02] <ncaller> thanks.
[08:02] <chavo> yes, it's pretty nice so far
[08:02] <ncaller> I am really looking forward to being able to do component based development on linux
[08:02] <chavo> I installed it at flight3 and have updated since
[08:03] <chavo> ncaller, you still on breezy?
[08:03] <ncaller> well I am in the middle of a dist-upgrade to dapper from breezy
[08:03] <chavo> ok cool
[08:03] <ipfw> aye, dapper have ff1.5.x ?
[08:04] <glick> to bad there is no qt mozilla
[08:04] <glick> :/
[08:04] <chavo> yes, but I use konqueror
[08:04] <ipfw> I use Konq more for a file manager
[08:04] <ncaller> konqueror is very fast on my box, I find myself rarely using firefox
[08:05] <glick> many sites dont support konqueror and refuse to display
[08:05] <chavo> glick, use the user agent switcher
[08:05] <ncaller> that is why konqueror and say that it is XXX-browser user configurable for those sites
[08:05] <chavo> most of the time they work fine
[08:05] <ncaller> then they display
[08:05] <ipfw> glick:  there is a plugin for ff to emulate other browsers "user agent switcher"
[08:06] <ipfw> chavo:  konq has it built in aye ;)
[08:06] <glick> ipfw: i know it exists for ff
[08:06] <chavo> yes
[08:06] <ipfw> sexy
[08:07] <ipfw> how do I upgrade to it if I wanted to... just get a new source.list from source-o-matic ?
[08:07] <ipfw> and apt-get dist upgrade ?
[08:07] <ncaller> That way you can send it a browser string saying: "Internet Explorer 7.0 on Kubuntu Linux"
[08:07] <ncaller> if you wanted to for some reason
[08:07] <chavo> I haven't found a site that doesn't work in konqueror
[08:08] <ipfw> just don't go to www.oldnavy.com unless it says IE 6x & NT 5x
[08:08] <chavo> well except windowsupdate
[08:08] <ipfw> those fags test for OS also !
[08:08] <ncaller> ipfw: do a sed command that replaces every instance of "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list with "dapper", then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; hold breatch
[08:08] <ncaller> breath I mean
[08:08] <ipfw> ncaller:  to easy ;)
[08:09] <chavo> set the user identification ti IE and it loads
[08:09] <ipfw> I don't like sudo though, so *cough* I have a reall root user
[08:09] <ipfw> s/reall/real/
[08:09] <ncaller> I think the disabling root and using sudo is one of the very best things they put in kubuntu/ubuntu
[08:09] <chavo> oldnavy.com works great in konqueror
[08:10] <glick> hehe suckas
[08:10] <ncaller> if you need root a perm rootshell you can always do sudo bash
[08:10] <glick> nice
[08:10] <glick> user agent is nice
[08:10] <ipfw> ncaller:  I think it was a good idea as well, just gets on my nerves ;)
[08:10] <ncaller> you are power hungry eh?
[08:10] <ipfw> ncaller:  Just been setting as root since 96, its hard to remember to sudo ;)
[08:11] <chavo> I've been using linux since 99, but have gotten used to sudo
[08:11] <ncaller> I know some people who do it that way too, I don't recommend it but some do
[08:12] <ipfw> #deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest breezy main
[08:12] <ipfw> I've had troubles getting the main kubuntu package list to update
[08:13] <ncaller> dapper is a 155MB upgrade for me
[08:16] <ipfw> I might make the move tomorrow
[08:16] <ncaller> nothing kicks of an OS upgrade better than a few rounds of your favorite mixed drink I always say
[08:17] <ipfw> pass me a morgan's & coke then
[08:18] <glick> im trying to add multiverse and univese
[08:18] <glick> to my repos
[08:18] <glick> but in enept i only see backports multiverse
[08:18] <glick> and not just multiverse
[08:22] <glick> neva mind
[08:23] <veldorzvizzerd> Hello there, new linux (kubuntu) user here - I'm having a problem with my CD-DVD Drive, when I press the button on it to eject the CD, the drive doesn't open - also, Kubuntu doesn't seem to detect the CDs I put inside it, any ideas about what I can do about this?
[08:24] <Red_Herring> unmount the disk first
[08:24] <jtshaw> if the cd is mounted the drive door will be locked
[08:24] <ipfw> I know there is a way to ignore join/part msgs with xchat
[08:24] <veldorzvizzerd> how do I unmount it, Red_Herring?
[08:25] <Red_Herring> is it an icon on your desktop?
[08:25] <jtshaw> if you click on the icon next to the K icon and go to Storage Media you should see your cd drive, right click on it and choose eject
[08:25] <veldorzvizzerd> no icon on the desktop, but when I put the CD in, a window opened up but it gave some error message and nothing was in the window so I closed it
[08:26] <Red_Herring> what are you using? dapper or breezy?
[08:26] <veldorzvizzerd> breezy
[08:26] <Red_Herring> did you upgrade to kde3.5.1?
[08:26] <veldorzvizzerd> not sure, how can I check?
[08:27] <Red_Herring> if you dont know you didnt do it
[08:27] <Red_Herring> hrm
[08:27] <Red_Herring> when was the last time you updated?
[08:27] <veldorzvizzerd> true, so how would I do it, using adept?
[08:27] <veldorzvizzerd> I did tell adept to fetch updates earlier so I think I might have it
[08:27] <Red_Herring> no, dont upgrade
[08:27] <veldorzvizzerd> oh
[08:27] <kunjan> anyone here used compiz?
[08:27] <kunjan> i cant get it to start
[08:28] <Red_Herring> kunjan: dont waste your time
[08:28] <chavo> kunjan, yes
[08:28] <kunjan> it just exits
[08:28] <Red_Herring> use GDM
[08:28] <Red_Herring> but like i said
[08:28] <Red_Herring> dont waste your time
[08:28] <Red_Herring> its INCREDEBLY buggy
[08:28] <kunjan> compiz and GDM are entirly diffnt things
[08:28] <chavo> It's actually pretty nice, but it breaks xinerama
[08:28] <Red_Herring> kunjan: well, kubuntu ships with KDM which compiz cant work with
[08:28] <ncaller> ipfw: http://scrapshells.com/~matt/random/dapper-sources - that is from my sources.list file
[08:28] <Red_Herring> so you need to use GDM
[08:28] <kunjan> thats weird
[08:28] <chavo> kdm can run xgl no problem
[08:28] <kunjan> yeah
[08:28] <kunjan> kdm is login manager
[08:29] <kunjan> not kwin
[08:29] <Red_Herring> sure it can run xgl
[08:29] <veldorzvizzerd> So, Red_Herring, if I shouldn't have upgraded to KDE 3.5.1, then how can I go back to the old KDE?
[08:29] <kunjan> chavo i cant get it to load at all
[08:29] <kunjan> it just exits
[08:29] <Red_Herring> veldorzvizzerd: dont upgrade
[08:29] <chavo> kunjan, have you looked in the ubuntu forums?
[08:29] <kunjan> yeah
[08:29] <kunjan> tried everylittle howto
[08:29] <Red_Herring> veldorzvizzerd: just type in at the terminal: sudo umount /dev/cdrom
[08:29] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks :)
[08:29] <Red_Herring> kunjan: USE GDM!
[08:29] <Red_Herring> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[08:30] <chavo> hmm, well I got it running but havent kept it because it breaks xinerama
[08:30] <kunjan> red herring: GDM AND COMPIZ HAVE NO RELATION WHATSOEVER
[08:30] <kunjan> hmm
[08:30] <Red_Herring> kunjan: so?
[08:30] <kunjan> yeah it does break it
[08:30] <kunjan> i read somewhere
[08:30] <Red_Herring> im saying kdm and compiz DONT WORK TOGEATHER
[08:30] <kunjan> compiz doesnt care if kdm is running
[08:30] <glick> hey whats better...mozilla-mplayer
[08:31] <glick> or kaffeine-mozilla
[08:31] <kunjan> kdm is the login manager
[08:31] <kunjan> not a windowing system
[08:31] <Red_Herring> kunjan: you wanna argue with me?
[08:31] <glick> for internet streaming vido?
[08:31] <Red_Herring> i JUST TRIED IT!
[08:31] <kunjan> i m not arguing with u... oh god
[08:31] <kunjan> lol
[08:31] <Red_Herring> you cant log in w/ kdm and xgl
[08:31] <Red_Herring> it crashes
[08:31] <kunjan> i will leave u to ur belifs
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> glick: i have mplayer, so that plugin is better for me :)
[08:31] <Red_Herring> well you want help, you got it
[08:31] <glick> Kamping_Kaiser: what brozer you using that with?
[08:31] <kunjan> chavo my compiz just exits
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> glick: firefox
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.5
[08:32] <kunjan> like its not finding a library or somehthing
[08:32] <glick> hmm how can i get ff1.5
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> kunjan: and Red_Herring, can you argue in #compiz or #Kubuntu-offtopic please?
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> !firefox
[08:32] <nrdb> I have a web-server on my DSL connection, I was wondering if there is a way check out the web-site from my LAN with the traffic routed in though the WAN port?
[08:32] <ncaller> well I'm off to reboot.  you can assume if I don't rejoin in a few minutes that my dapper upgrade hosed everything.
[08:32] <ipfw> ncaller:  take care man
[08:32] <chavo> good luck
[08:32] <kunjan> haha lol
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell glick about firefox1.5
[08:32] <ipfw> ncaller:  thanks for the sources.list
[08:32] <Red_Herring> ...
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> nrdb:how many nics in the box?
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> if there's only 1 it all goes in the same place anyway
[08:34] <nrdb> Kamping_Kaiser: 2 one connected to the DSL modem one connected to tha LAN.
[08:34] <nrdb> Kamping_Kaiser: I want to check out the port forwarding on the DSL modem.
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> nrdb: then you will have to connect out to a remote box and back in, unless you do some funky modem vodo :)
[08:35] <nrdb> Kamping_Kaiser: that is the idea but I don't know how to do this except going down to the local library etc.
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nrdb: what ports are you trying to test? perhaps we could hit them for you
[08:36] <nrdb> Kamping_Kaiser: http://neil.homelinux.com
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> websites therer
[08:37] <veldorzvizzerd> I'm trying to install a printer (Brother MFC-3240C) - I have driver CDs for Macs and OSX, and also for Windows, I tried to add a printer through system settings, and the drivers for Brother that are provided aren't the ones for my specific printer, plus Kubuntu doesn't seem to like my driver disks, could anyone help me with setting up this printer>
[08:37] <veldorzvizzerd> ?*
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> your driver cd wont work
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> try a printer with a similar number
[08:38] <veldorzvizzerd> I tried the ones that match the closest, no luck : (
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you looked at http://linuxprinting.org to make sure it's supported?
[08:39] <veldorzvizzerd> no, will do that now... thanks
[08:43] <glick> whats the big difference between ff1 and ff1.5 anyway?
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. not a lot, as far as the average user goes
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> anyone tried edubuntu for their kids?
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: don't have any ;), try #edubuntu though
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> heh ok
[08:49] <veldorzvizzerd> Looks like my printer is doomed to be controlled by windows only :( - hope I have more luck with my wireless..
[08:49] <veldorzvizzerd> I have the linux drivers for my wireless PCI card in a tar.gz file, could someone tell me what command I should use in the terminal to install the driver if I know the path to it?
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> veldorzvizzerd: there should be a readme in the tarball
[08:50] <veldorzvizzerd> will check... thanks KaoticEvil
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> n/p
[08:51] <veldorzvizzerd> found it, cheers Kaotic
[08:53] <veldorzvizzerd> which linux kernel would be closest to kubuntu? 2.4.x? 2.6.x? or suse?
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.6
[08:53] <veldorzvizzerd> cheers
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu dosent support 2.4 at all :)
[08:54] <veldorzvizzerd> will keep that in mind, thanks :)
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> np ;D
[09:04] <Verithrax> How can I get my hardware sensors working under Ubuntu? Just add a modprobe line to the module config file?
[09:07] <Red_Herring> no, the module name, tahts all
[09:16] <veldorzvizzerd> Red_Herring, I've found the readme file included in the tar.gz file for my wireless card driver, I can't seem to get what I need to do to get it working though, could you help me out? I can send the readme file to you
[09:17] <Red_Herring> hrm
[09:17] <Red_Herring> first off
[09:17] <veldorzvizzerd> mm?
[09:17] <Red_Herring> are you SURE the driver isnt included by default?
[09:17] <veldorzvizzerd> no, I tried, it didn't work
[09:17] <Red_Herring> try what?
[09:17] <veldorzvizzerd> tried to get kubuntu to use my PCI wireless card
[09:18] <Red_Herring> did you find the chipset and then find out if there was a driver for it?
[09:18] <veldorzvizzerd> how do I find out the chipset?
[09:18] <Red_Herring> theres a good chance its included in the OS and kubuntu just doesnt know it
[09:18] <Red_Herring> google linux
[09:18] <veldorzvizzerd> ok..
[09:19] <Red_Herring> hrm, before that
[09:19] <Red_Herring> lspci
[09:19] <Red_Herring> and look for one that seems like it pertains to a wirelss card
[09:19] <veldorzvizzerd> ok, will do, cheers
[09:20] <ncaller> well, dapper upgrade a success, except for the new kernel won't boot.
[09:20] <Red_Herring> and that qualifies as a success?
[09:20] <ncaller> but KDevelop (interface designer) works now and that is damn sweet
[09:21] <ncaller> Red_Herring it booted using the old kernel and the new userland
[09:21] <Red_Herring> ah
[09:21] <Red_Herring> sweet
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[09:23] <ncaller> vmlinuz-2.6.15-19-386 - this is the new kernel in the devel version of dapper and it gives me unable to mount root partition (0,0) or something, I checked its config in /boot/grub/menu.lst and that all looks fine.  Perhaps I forgot something.
[09:26] <Wallalai> hello
[09:34] <ncaller> Applications like KDevelop are what will eventually cause the Linux Desktop to gain ground.  The interface designer in that is very very nice, especially for being free.
[09:36] <ubuntu> hu
[09:37] <iteniel> hali ki tud itt magyarul?
[09:45] <ncaller>  I believe he asked who in here can speak hungarian.
[09:46] <ncaller> iteniel: senki sem tud
[09:47] <iteniel> :S
[09:47] <iteniel> mr?????????????
[09:49] <ncaller> it would be sweet to have language translation engines built into an irc client
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:49] <ncaller> real time irc translation into your language of choice
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> then IRC would get ... um... "interesting"
[10:01] <michele> c' nessuno
[10:26] <FHX> What' s the recommended partition size for Kubuntu?
[10:32] <FHX> what is a linux swap partition for?
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> to put stuff in when the rams doing stuff
[11:02] <simian__> are there any know problems with spell checking with koffice in kubuntu
[11:06] <simian__> I add words to its dictionary but it still doesn't recognise them?
[11:07] <simian__> i was happy with open office but it was GTK and was very slow
[11:20] <andrzej> sombady used "kadu"?
[11:20] <andrzej> somebody*
[11:20] <ncaller> what does it do?
[11:21] <ncaller> Anyone have problems with kmix after dist-upgrade to dapper, for some reason it is showing me a dialogue box to choose a mixer, but giving me no choices and that seems to not let sound work whatsoever on the box.
[11:21] <andrzej> how j change icons in task?
[11:24] <ncaller> rightclick button, choose configure button, under general tab, click on the picture of the existing button and then browse and select a new one
[11:33] <test> !easysources
[11:33] <ubotu> test: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:34] <kimo> I can't find firefox in kubuntu !!
[11:36] <kimo> !firefox
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> kimo: it's in apt/adept
[11:37] <kimo> cant find it!
[11:37] <kimo> dapper
[11:37] <kimo> !firefox1.5
[11:37] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:37] <nico8481> hi
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> kimo: firefox or firefox1.5?
[11:38] <kimo> neither
[11:38] <kimo> but I'd like latest of course
[11:38] <kimo> why is it not in the official sources!
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> firefox is in main.
[11:39] <kimo> I am on dapper ... r  u?
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu dapper yes.1.5 is in dapper.
[11:40] <kimo> can u please tell me the pkg name
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> dapperits called firefox
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[11:41] <kimo> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:41] <kimo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:41] <kimo> is only available from another source
[11:41] <kimo> that's what I get
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> kimo: check you have the correct sources enabled
[11:42] <kimo> I do have all six of em, universe/multiverse updates everything!
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> got main? (just checking)
[11:43] <kimo> deb http://eg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[11:43] <kimo> this one, right
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, that's it.
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> run apt-get update && apt-get install firefox
[11:45] <kimo> updating ...
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[11:45] <kimo> duh! It was found now
[11:45] <ncaller> well I figured out why kmix isn't working, its due to alsa now not detecting my PCI soundblaster live card after dapper upgrade
[11:45] <kimo> though I updated 5 minutes ago
[11:45] <kimo> well thnx :)
[11:45] <ncaller> should there be an /etc/asound.conf file in kubuntu?
[11:47] <kimo> is there a way to get w32codecs as well
[11:50] <inuka_> ;3hey, is there a way to uninstall, installations that you have done through "make install"? (if there is no file to do "make uninstall" with, that is.. )
[11:55] <noteventime> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[11:55] <noteventime> What is that supposed to mean?
[12:10] <noteventime> #ifdef
[12:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[12:22] <noteventime> checking for g++... g++
[12:22] <noteventime> checking for C++ compiler default output file name...
[12:22] <noteventime> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[12:22] <noteventime> Why does this happen (T_T)
[12:22] <crimsun> is build-essential installed?
[12:23] <noteventime> yes
[12:23] <noteventime> And I have compiled lots of other programs before
[12:23] <noteventime> I'm using KDevelop
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to create a key combination for the tilde character
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> since in my italian keyboard is not present, but it is a widely used one
[12:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to create a personalized combination CTRL + SHIFT + _ to call the symbol
[12:34] <jpatrick> Alt-Gr + 4 on Spanish keyboard
[12:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> print* but when i do it.. instead of the tilde char, it appear the italian accented i ""
[12:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't use altgr since i am on a laptop
[12:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and i don't have numeric keypad
[12:35] <jpatrick> my laptop has Alt-Gr
[12:37] <Chousuke> try shift-alt combos.
[12:45] <Tm_T> moin
[12:45] <jpatrick> Tm_T: morning mae
[12:45] <jpatrick> mate*
[12:45] <Tm_T> it's day ;)
[12:45] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> gdate people
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gday
[12:46] <Tm_T> moin kaiser
[12:55] <nrdb> Hi, I have installed a CUPS printer (ip1500) it is a color printer but I would like the option of doing grayscale prints, does anyone know how to do this?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> nrdb: tried using a different driver for it?  some of them dont let you select grayscale in the properties of kde print manager (in system settings)
[12:58] <nrdb> Hobbsee: The only driver I have found is the one from the cannon site it doesn't seem to have this option, I thought I might be able to change the file in /etc/cups/ppd to force a grayscale print by changing the 'printer' I am using.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm...there were no others that were listed in the system settings, when you try to add a printer?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> there's usually around 7 on my system..
[01:02] <nrdb> Hobbsee: 7 what?  I am using a Cannon Pixma iP1500
[01:02] <Hobbsee> 7 drivers, for the printer
[01:03] <nrdb> Hobbsee: no only the one I installed (from an RPM via alien).
[01:04] <Hobbsee> nrdb: there werent any by default?
[01:04] <nrdb> Hobbsee: no there aren't any listed for my printer.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> weird!
[01:05] <sredna> Hi
[01:05] <noteventime> 'ello
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[01:05] <sredna> Can I use a kubuntu CD as a live CD for a test run?
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> my cups is broken. i didnt know that
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sredna: sure
[01:06] <Hobbsee> nrdb: tried usign the pixma ip1400 driver?  that has grayscale, if it recognises your printer
[01:06] <sredna> Thank you Kamping_Kaiser
[01:06] <noteventime> Hmm, what do I need to get this function: glGetProgramiv?
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[01:06] <sredna> And should I get the release of the flight 5 CD?
[01:06] <noteventime> What library that is
[01:06] <noteventime> sredna: Depends, it's still beta
[01:07] <noteventime> sredna: But I think it's stable enough
[01:07] <nrdb> Hobbsee: that might but I didn't see anything like that when I am installing the printer.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> nrdb: how did you install it?
[01:07] <sredna> noteventime: Ok, I can download a stable release if I experience problems
[01:07] <noteventime> glGetProgramiv has something to do with shaders, hasn't it
[01:07] <noteventime> sredna, Do so
[01:08] <sredna> K, thanks
[01:08] <noteventime> np :)
[01:09] <nrdb> Hobbsee: It (cups) was installed auto. when  I installed the kubuntu.  In the Printer Model Selection in the Cannon Manufacturer there isn't any ip1400 listed.
[01:09] <reon> Anybody know what the Mac like icons are called ? Usually used with the Baghira theme ?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> it was under pixma ip1400
[01:10] <nrdb> Hobbsee: I don't have a pixma manufacturer?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> nrdb: sorry, under cannon, then under pixma
[01:11] <Hobbsee> as in, pixma in the other box
[01:13] <r0b4t> Hi all
[01:13] <nrdb> Hobbsee: not there! I have just done a full update how come you seem to have a different list to what I have??
[01:13] <Hobbsee> nrdb: probably that you're using kubuntu breezy, and im' using kubuntu dapper, the next release
[01:14] <asraniel> hi there. i have a bug with breezy that affects me and two friends. for me, i dont care, but for the other two, yes, because they are newbies. We all have Acer Travelmate laptops, and the dhclient does not get started on startup, and we have to launch it manualy after startup, anyone knows where there is a autolaunch script where i could write "sudo dhclient" in it?
[01:14] <nrdb> Hobbsee: how do I check what version I am using?
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> asraniel: is you machine up to date (in other words, could this have been fixed?)
[01:14] <reon> Make sure you select the right printer manufacturer from the list. I had like 3 HP versions ? One had very little printers listed the while the other two had my printer.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ah...cat /etc/issue?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> otherwise, uname -r, and paste it in here
[01:16] <nrdb> Hobbsee: yep its breezy! can I use apt-get to upgrade to dapper?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> you can, but it's not stable
[01:16] <Hobbsee> in fact, printing's borked here anyway
[01:17] <r0b4t> @Hobbsee: It's not as stable as breezy but, very useable even for the day to day buisness. It's not such a bleeding edge like debian sid.
[01:18] <nrdb> Hobbsee: ok then I won't try, is breezy the current release version?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> nrdb: yes.  dapper will be stable by june...
[01:19] <nrdb> Hobbsee: r0b4t: I won't worry about it for now.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> r0b4t: not really.  i'm using it as my default OS, dual booting with XP, but it's not stable enough for usign all the time, by everyone
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's not like Sid anymore because it's frozen for a month
[01:20] <nrdb> Can I edit the /etc/cups/ppd/Cannon.ppd file to say I want grayscale printing instead of RGB printing (the default)?
[01:21] <r0b4t> @Hobbsee: I'm using dapper as my only OS for more than 3 months and i only had very small issues. You just have to be carefull if your update wants to remove packages. This can leave you with an unusable OS, that is right.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> r0b4t: PM?
[01:21] <jpatrick> r0b4t: true
[01:23] <r0b4t> It originally did not want to discuss about the stableness of dapper but about problems with XGL.
[01:23] <nrdb> Can I change the "*ColorDevice: TRUE" or the "*DefaultColorSpace: RGB" ?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> r0b4t: i've also been running it, tripple boot more or less since the repos were enabled, and then as my sole internet-connected OS for a few months, and have had relatively few problems with it - but there are still bugs, and it's not a good idea to tell people to upgrade, and then they come back wondering why they're getting all these nasty CUPS error messages, or why it isnt all working.
[01:26] <r0b4t> So my question: Has anybody running XGL + KDE without losing all the titlebars of the windows and having "dangling"  System tray icons
[01:27] <mornfall> xgl is completely unsupported... it is also experimental
[01:27] <mornfall> i'd say you are on your own (have been warned)
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> r0b4t: try asking in #ubuntu-xgl if you get no luck here as well
[01:28] <r0b4t> I know it's unsupported and experimental, but that should not hinder it from working?!
 experimental and not working go hand in hand
[01:29] <r0b4t> Is #ubuntu-xgl ubuntu specific or does it cover kubuntu issues to? In Gnome all is fine. But who wants to use gnome if he can have KDE *cough* *cough*
[01:29] <asraniel> Kamping_Kaiser: well, its a up to date breezy but not dapper
[01:31] <r0b4t> @Kamping_Kaiser: If you were right, Linux would be completely unusable for me. I have a lot of experimental features in the kernel enabled
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> asraniel: pardon?
[01:36] <nrdb> Hobbsee: could you email me the Cannon Pixma ip14000 ppd.gz file?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> nrdb: i dont seem to have that file, sorry
[01:41] <Hobbsee> not sure why it's listed in the kde print thing that i do
[01:42] <nrdb> Hobbsee: it should be in /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-ppds/Canon
[01:42] <Hobbsee> yes, i didnt find it
[01:42] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: dpkg -S ppd.gz | grep -i "Cannon"
[01:45] <Tonio_> hello
[01:45] <nrdb> can anyone help I am looking for the ppd cups file for the "Cannon Pixma iP1400" from the dapper release it should be in /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-ppds/Canon
[01:47] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: nothing.
[01:48] <jpatrick> nrdb: dpkg -S ppd.gz | grep -i "canon" gives a lot of output here
[01:49] <nrdb> jpatrick: I am running breezy I am looking for the dapper file because I have been told that its available in dapper, and its likely that the cups files will work here.
[01:50] <jpatrick> unless there's a new cups in Dapper
[01:50] <nrdb> Hobbsee: thanks for looking, the help is appreciated.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i could see pixma 1400 listed in kde print in dapper, with one driver.
[01:51] <Shoryu> hi, i'm trying to set up my wireless network (rt2500 chip based card) and have the gateway bug (it disappears when i close the window), i saw that you can manually add the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces but it's in readonly and won't save, can anyone help?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> i just cant find it in the system
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Shoryu: edit /etc/network/interfaces with kdesu kwrite /etc/network/interfaces
[01:51] <Shoryu> thanks i'll try this out
[01:52] <nrdb> Shoryu: you could also try using "sudo su" to get a root shell (if that doesn't work)
[01:53] <jpatrick> nrdb: or better put: sudo -s
[01:54] <nrdb> jpatrick: what does "sudo -s" do?
[01:54] <jpatrick> temporary root session in shell
[01:55] <jpatrick> I think it's five minutes long or something
[01:56] <nrdb> jpatrick: there doesn't seem to be any operational difference (no meantion of time in the man notes)
[01:57] <jpatrick> sudo -i
[01:57] <Hobbsee> nah, root shell stays as root shell till you exit, i thought
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo -[s,i]  stay open indefinitely
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo remembers the password for 15 minutes
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you keep your shell open for 16 minutes and try and resudo after you close it, and you have to reneter your pasword
[02:03] <slow-motion> bbl
[02:04] <nrdb> can someone running the 'dapper' release please check for the cups "Cannon Pixma iP1400" ppd file, it should be in /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-ppds/Canon
[02:04] <conn> I've got a problem. Every time I log in, KMix loads in the tray (applet) but also pops up during kdm's startup and in the taskbar. When I try to close it and save the session, it doesn't work, kmix keeps popping up. Can someone help?
[02:05] <r0b4t> I'm sorry I do not even have a "Canon" directory
[02:06] <r0b4t> Have you ever looked on this Japanese FTP Server from Canon? This is where I got my ppd File for the i560 printer. But I'm currently not running this now.
[02:07] <nrdb> r0b4t: ok seems that approch wont work then, just trying to get gray scale printing working.
[02:08] <r0b4t> #ubuntu-xgl channel does not seem to be very "verbous"
[02:09] <nrdb> r0b4t: I find a lot of channels have allmost no traffic on them.
[02:10] <r0b4t> I just looked here: ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ but no ip1400 filters.
[02:11] <nrdb> r0b4t: I put a question on the #cups channel at 21:37 and it is still the most recent.
[02:11] <r0b4t> Perhaps they are busy with other cups, which are not related to printing ;-)
[02:17] <ninHer> we may sing, instead
[02:17] <r0b4t> hello again.
[02:17] <Shoryu> thank you Hobbsee, nrdb, jpatrick my wifi works!
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Shoryu: yay!
[02:17] <jpatrick> I must be going mad
[02:17] <nrdb> Shoryu: good to here, I was wondering how you where going :)
[02:18] <nrdb> Shoryu: I hope you are using WPA?
[02:18] <Shoryu> wep 128b :/
[02:19] <Shoryu> i live in a small town so i guess it's ok
[02:20] <Shoryu> and if i use wpa i won't be able to use my psp and DS :p
[02:20] <r0b4t> @nrbd: I'm totally confused, nobody seems to even have the canon ip1400. there are just 3(!) results on google.
[02:20] <ninHer> i live in a small town, too
[02:20] <ninHer> :-)
[02:21] <nrdb> Shoryu: wep is apparently broken.  see "http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm" episode #11
[02:22] <Naail> hey guys.. do I need a firewall? is it still a good idea to have one under linux?
[02:23] <jpatrick> Naail: no
[02:24] <nrdb> r0b4t: yes so am I.  I have a ip1500 I installed the driver it does print but it can't do gray scale printing (only color) I was told there was a ip1400 driver in the dapper release that allowed gray scale printing, I thought I would try it.
[02:24] <Naail> hmm cheers, it well just feels kinda weird JPatrick
[02:25] <jpatrick> Naail: no ports are open by default so don't worry
[02:25] <nrdb> Naail: you do need some sort of protection if you are going to be using the internet.  what do you have?
[02:25] <ninHer> nrdb: talking about pixma ip-90 ?
[02:25] <Naail> well just the default install really
[02:26] <nrdb> Naail: I sugest testing your computer try www.grc.com shelds up test to see how open your computer is.
[02:27] <ninHer> or more accurately nmap localhost
[02:27] <nrdb> ninHer: do you have one?  I have a ip1500!
[02:27] <Naail> yeah i know GRC :)
[02:28] <ninHer> i have a pixma ip-90 running on kubuntu+dapper
[02:29] <nrdb> ninHer: would that test for access from the internet?
[02:29] <ninHer> yes, also
[02:30] <nrdb> ninHer: is your printer use USB
[02:30] <ninHer> i suggest you to read the man nmap
[02:30] <ninHer> nrdb: yes is does
[02:30] <ninHer> ...it does, i meant
[02:31] <nrdb> ninHer: can you email me the ppd file?
[02:32] <ninHer> nrdb: do you prefer the line in the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:32] <Rayman> so you do suggest using a firewall on linux?
[02:32] <ninHer> it gets automatically
[02:32] <Rayman> I haven't had any problems without one. no sshd etc
[02:33] <nrdb> Rayman: I would suggest you put one in, if you are using DSL your modem/router might allready have one.
[02:34] <Rayman> nrdb: oh well. I think my router has one. I might tweak it someday.
[02:36] <nrdb> ninHer: I am not sure about upgrading to 'dapper' yet, I am just trying to print grayscale does yours?
[02:36] <ninHer> yes, it has a complete options menu
[02:37] <ninHer> i upgraded three days ago and only left running usb flash mem
[02:38] <nrdb> ninHer: what do you mean by "only left running usb flash mem" ?
[02:38] <ninHer> nrdb: anyway the lines that i sent to you worked previous to dapper
[02:38] <ninHer> i meant, when i plug a pen drive or i-pod it doesn't recognized
[02:39] <ninHer> ubuntu breezy did
[02:39] <ninHer> ...still working on it
[02:48] <ninHer> anyone from spain around here ?
[02:49] <jpatrick> ninHer: hi
[02:49] <rayit> oi
[02:49] <ninHer> jpatrick: ...me too; just asking
[02:49] <ninHer> :-)
[02:52] <ninHer> any report about ekiga ?
[03:06] <nrdb> ninHer: I installed those printer drivers you recommended, they do work, but I still don't have any grayscale printing, oh well.
[03:07] <ninHer> have a glance to options
[03:08] <ninHer> ...got another great new from Dapper
[03:09] <ninHer> my webcam worked at first try
[03:09] <ninHer> with ekiga, the brand new replacement for gnomemeeting
[03:09] <ninHer> cheers 
[03:09] <ninHer> cheers 
[03:12] <asraniel> there are only 9 bugs in launchpad for dapper??
[03:12] <Hobbsee> asraniel: no, far more than that, under their respective packages
[03:13] <keep_it_real> hi all
[03:13] <keep_it_real> i ve got a problem :/ with some wmv files :/
[03:13] <asraniel> Hobbsee: how can i search for all bugs in dapper?
[03:13] <keep_it_real> in some wmv files the sound is missing
[03:14] <keep_it_real> what's wrong?
[03:14] <asraniel> Hobbsee: because i want to search for all bugs filled against my travelmate laptop
[03:14] <Hobbsee> asraniel: um...why do you want to?  probably advanced serach somehow
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...probably look for bugs in some of the laptop packages - laptop, acpi, i dont remember what they're called
[03:16] <asraniel> Hobbsee: because i want to know if i should install flight5 on my laptop and report all bugs. its just that it will take a few hours and i dont realy have them now. and if something goes wrong i will have a problem at school for working. but if there is nobody reporting the bugs they wont get fixed, so i want to know if there are any reported
[03:16] <Hobbsee> true
[03:17] <asraniel> Hobbsee: but i found out how to search now, its very well hidden, but i found it
[03:18] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:30] <juke> i have install g++ but when i try compile my test.cpp it give lots of errors etc.. and it very simple program..  do i have to install something more?? :P
[03:31] <Hobbsee> juke: is the program in c, or c++?
[03:31] <juke> c++
[03:32] <jpatrick> juke: what errors?
[03:32] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[03:32] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[03:32] <Hobbsee> juke: what syntax are you using?
[03:32] <juke> wait.. i'll copy paste :P
[03:33] <juke> /usr/include/c++/4.0.2/istream:427: error: no type named int_type in struct std::char_traits<wchar_t>
[03:33] <juke> etc
[03:33] <juke> it gives about 500 lines errors :P
[03:33] <juke> (very good english) :D
[03:35] <juke> /usr/include/c++/4.0.2/istream   <--- there is some kind of problem i think..
[03:35] <juke> every error is from there :P
[03:36] <juke> and if try gcc test.cpp it gives same errors..
[03:37] <sirblue> hi folks, i was wondering if any of u know a way to limit the cpu frequency. i don't want my notebook to act up anytime its loading or doing something but to remain silent and cool...
[03:38] <arafel> note to self, /list is a bad idea.
[03:38] <sirblue> :)
[03:39] <arafel> heh. my net connection was fine, it was Konversation that had trouble ;-)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yes, /list usually is
[03:40] <Tm_T> =)
[03:40] <tchize> Hi
[03:40] <arafel> and after all that, I still couldn't find a valgrind channel. oh well.
[03:42] <tchize> How do i create an emovix cd using k3b on ubuntu? i installed movixmaker-2 but k3b doesn't seem to recognize it...
[03:48] <nico8481> how can i make kmix stay in the systray between session? each time i open a new session it disappears...
[03:49] <nico8481> I don't want KDE to save the whole session (with open apps and everything) each time, I just want it to remember to start kmix when it starts
[03:52] <sniff> just go into system settings, login manager. Tell it to start a new session each time. Enter a shortcut to kmix in ~/.kde/autostart
[03:54] <tchize> nico8481: or choose the 'restore manually saved session' config option in system setting -> user account
[03:55] <nico8481> tchize: what if i never saved one manually ? :-)
[03:55] <reon> Which app, kftpgrabber or kasablanca ?
[03:55] <tchize> the manually saving is asked at logoff time :)
[03:56] <sniff> konqueror
[03:57] <nico8481> k thx
[03:57] <tchize> How do i create an emovix cd using k3b on ubuntu? i installed movixmaker-2 but k3b doesn't seem to recognize it...
[04:16] <user__> Are kubuntu bug reports handled as debian reports ?
[04:18] <zblach> hi. getting some bad sector hd errors. is there any hope for my drive?
[04:21] <Kyral> anyone know any way I can let non-root mount on the loopback? Having to sudo my mount -o loop commands is getting annoying and doesn't seem like it should be needed
[04:21] <Kyral> zblach: umount and fsck the drive?
[04:22] <bogdan-server> hi all
[04:24] <zblach> Kyral, smartd'd it. what would fscking it do?
[04:25] <_pascal> yop
[04:26] <Kyral> zblach: SMART is just monitoring
[04:26] <tchize> zblach: if you are getting smart error, you should quickly replace the drive while datas are still acessible.
[04:26] <_pascal> y'a des fanais ici?
[04:26] <Kyral> I wish there was like a Krell for it
[04:26] <Kyral> !fr
[04:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:26] <tchize> zblach: hdd have ways to deal with bad sectors by reloacating them, but the relocation space is quite limited and you can be sure the bad sectors will spread as the scratch spreads
[04:26] <_pascal> merci
[04:27] <Chase> I just installed kubuntu 5.10 from the DVD online. I was wondering. When every i try apt-get update it fails saying it couldnt find archives.ubuntu.com when running it in the terminal i can see its trying to look for the IP address 1.0.0.0 Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[04:27] <Kyral> Chase: if its "archives" then its a typo
[04:27] <Kyral> its "archive"
[04:28] <tchize> kyral: when smart detects problem, you can be sure the drive will die quite soon; smart is usefull to in that it can detect errors before they reach the filesystem level
[04:28] <Chase> Kyral: ye sorry that was a typo, but it is archive in the source.lst file
[04:28] <Chase> its also doing the same thing when it tryes to download Riddell 's GPG keyt
[04:28] <Kyral> Chase: it seems your have a bad Netconn or something
[04:28] <Chase> from people.ubuntu.com
[04:28] <Kyral> 1.0.0.0 is DEFINATELY NOT the ip
[04:29] <Kyral> Chase: do nslookup arhicve.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <Chase> well i can get to any other web address its just *.ubuntu.com im having problems with
[04:29] <Kyral> damn thats a typo too lol
[04:29] <Kyral> See what your nearest NS is saying
[04:30] <Chase> the only NS coming up is my router
[04:30] <Kyral> Chase: what is it returning
[04:30] <Chase> but the nslookup command returned the IP 82.211.81.151
[04:30] <Kyral> the ip for Ubuntu.com
[04:30] <Kyral> hmm
[04:30] <Kyral> can you access Ubuntu.com via a webbrowser?
[04:30] <Chase> ye
[04:31] <Kyral> hmm
[04:31] <Kyral> I dunno then lol
[04:31] <Kyral> maybe its a problem with wget
[04:31] <Chase> apt-get is doing the same thing for kubuntu.org as well but i can get the from the browser too
[04:31] <Kyral> yah...apt uses wget for downloading
[04:32] <Kyral> hmm, odd solution
[04:32] <Kyral> but in sources.list try replacing a.u.c with the IP
[04:32] <Chase> well if i put the right IPs in the hosts file its fixing the problem but it doesnt explain why
[04:32] <Kyral> keep in mind I have no clue if this will work :P
[04:33] <Kyral> you mean /etc/hosts?
[04:34] <Chase> ye
[04:34] <Kyral> meh...I wish I knew more about networking....
[04:34] <Chase> :-) me too
[04:34] <Kyral> you mean you manually put in the IP mappings in /etc/hosts?
[04:35] <Chase> thats what i meab
[04:35] <Chase> ^mean
[04:35] <Kyral> hmm
[04:35] <Kyral> well, if it works lol
[04:35] <Kyral> file a bug :D
[04:35] <erofee> hi all
[04:35] <Chase> its working for now so im just running the update
[04:35] <erofee> can anyone tell me how to install an RPM file?
[04:35] <Kyral> erofee: you don't
[04:35] <Kyral> Ubuntu is based on Debian so we use DEB
[04:35] <erofee> what do i do with an RPM file?
[04:36] <Kyral> try to find a Debpack for it?
[04:36] <Kyral> I mean you COULD try Alien
[04:36] <Kyral> but its sketchy
[04:36] <erofee> it is bittorrent
[04:36] <Kyral> ...bittorrent?
[04:36] <erofee> i don't think they offer a deb
[04:36] <Kyral> as in the app??
[04:36] <Chase> Kyral do you know the apt source to get the latest KDE version? i found them a while back but i cant see find the any more not sure if its in the forums or the wiki i seen them
[04:36] <erofee> i can't figure out how to use ktorrent
[04:36] <Kyral> erofree: sudo apt-get install bittorrent-gui
[04:37] <Kyral> Chase: isn't 3.5.1 the latest?
[04:37] <erofee> thanks Kyral
[04:37] <Chase> im not sure but the sources downloaded all the beta versions.
[04:37] <Kyral> which is?
[04:37] <Chase> it was a while ago maybe it was when 3.5.1 was beta but i didnt think so
[04:38] <Kyral> wait what are you on? Breezy?
[04:38] <Chase> i cant use GNOME i keep getting this domain problem with everything including firefox. Least on KDE its only apt get that cause the problem
[04:38] <Chase> Kyral ye im running breezt
[04:38] <Chase> ^breezy
[04:38] <Kyral> oy...I'
[04:38] <Kyral> have been running Dapper for so long lol
[04:39] <erofee> i am using Breezy
[04:39] <Kyral> Chase: you may wanna file a bug on resolv or something
[04:39] <Chase> ye i will do it latter tonight im about to go to work :-(
[04:43] <visik7> anyone here use kopete+msn ?
[04:43] <Chase> right i gota go, thanks again Kyral for pointing me at nslookup least i found all the IPs i need
[04:48] <tchize> visik7: a problem with kopete?
[04:48] <visik7> msn sucks
[04:48] <Flosoft> hey
[04:49] <visik7> tchize: lost messages
[04:49] <Flosoft> msn sucks, Jabber rocks !
[04:49] <visik7> and many disconnections
[04:49] <visik7> Flosoft: my friends use windows and msn
[04:49] <visik7> Flosoft: I've msn jabber and icq accounts
[04:49] <Flosoft> well use my Jabber Server ... with MSN Transport
[04:49] <Flosoft> well perfect
[04:49] <visik7> Flosoft: url ?
[04:49] <tchize> visik7: have this regulary here, but not related to kopete as i use adium on mac os x
[04:49] <Flosoft> http://im.flosoft.biz
[04:50] <fek> moin
[04:50] <visik7> tchize: msn sucks stay for: msn protocol implementation of kopete sucks
[04:50] <visik7> maybe too implicit :)
[04:50] <Flosoft> hehe
[04:50] <Flosoft> well use jabber transport then ;)
[04:50] <visik7> I'll give it a try
[04:51] <Armagguedes> hello
[04:51] <Flosoft> does anyone know a programm to rip DVDs in XVID?
[04:51] <Flosoft> best with a GUI
[04:51] <robotgeek> Flosoft: moment
[04:51] <tchize> visik7: well did not use kopete a lots but didn't get problems. On the other hand, in this last month, it seems the msn server got a bit buggy, as i got lots of unsendable message and regular disconnect
[04:51] <Armagguedes> can someone tell me if Flight5 has that obnoxious breezy bug that broke wireless?
[04:51] <visik7> tchize: but I've no problem with gaim
[04:52] <erofee> does anyone here do any PHP coding?
[04:52] <tchize> Armagguedes: a friend of mine told me this weekend he had wireless issued with dapper drake
[04:52] <pradeepto> robotgeek:
[04:52] <tchize> visik7: wel have all my problems with gaim :p
[04:52] <robotgeek> Flosoft: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/howtos.html#videointroduction
[04:52] <visik7> gaim works almost perfectly for mw
[04:52] <visik7> me
[04:53] <robotgeek> hey pradeepto , how was you talk
[04:53] <tchize> (well adiul which uses gaim lib in fact ;) )
[04:53] <Armagguedes> fakk
[04:53] <Flosoft> cool robotgeek ... K3B does that?
[04:53] <Armagguedes> can i install ubuntu_dapper and then install kubuntu-desktop (dapper's)?
[04:53] <visik7> Armagguedes: probabbly but why u don't install kubuntu dapper directly ?
[04:54] <pradeepto> robotgeek: pretty nice! Could have been better I guess :)
[04:54] <robotgeek> pradeepto: always :)
[04:54] <Armagguedes> visik7 because i need a funtioning wireless card
[04:54] <pradeepto> robotgeek: you have been busy ? Have you ? Dont see you on .in too?
[04:55] <visik7> Armagguedes: and ?
[04:55] <robotgeek> pradeepto: yeah, slightly busy
[04:55] <Armagguedes> i dont have an ethernet connection at hand
[04:55] <visik7> Armagguedes: what's the problem with kubuntu and wireless ?
[04:55] <Armagguedes> and KDE-Breezy came with a broken wifi
[04:55] <pradeepto> robotgeek: uh oke cool
[04:55] <visik7> Armagguedes: UH ?
[04:55] <visik7> Armagguedes: I'm using kubuntu breezy and wifi with no problem at all
[04:55] <Armagguedes> in fact, kde 3.4.3/4 broke a lot of stuff
[04:55] <visik7> kernel are the same
[04:55] <pradeepto> Armagguedes: I had an awesome time with wifi
[04:56] <Armagguedes> visik7 do you have a intel/PRO 2200BG?
[04:56] <Armagguedes> (centrino laptop)
[04:56] <visik7> Armagguedes: not me but other ppl with a centrino laptop have installed kubuntu successfullyt
[04:56] <pradeepto> Armagguedes: last weekend I was enjoying wifi on breezy :)
[04:56] <Armagguedes> crap
[04:56] <Armagguedes> IM CURSED
[04:56] <Armagguedes> anyways, can i burn onto a CD-RW?
[04:57] <visik7> why not ?
[04:57] <pradeepto> Armagguedes: yes use K3B :)
[04:58] <Armagguedes> pradeepto i meant if i could burn and use a CDRW to install dapper from it
[04:59] <pradeepto> uh ok
[05:00] <visik7> Flosoft: how the transport works ? how can I add buddies and other ?
[05:01] <Armagguedes> does dapper bring WPASUPPLICANT in it?
[05:01] <visik7> do u have issues with ipw and wpasupplicant ?
[05:03] <Armagguedes> no
[05:03] <Armagguedes> because i have neither
[05:03] <tchize> Armagguedes: now that you mention it, my friend could onlt achieve wifi in dapper drake if and only if he deactivated wep keys, which is a hell of securty hazard :)
[05:03] <Armagguedes> however, to connect to *my* wifi network, i need wpasupplicant. my neighbour's network is not protected
[05:06] <Flosoft> visik7: Well you set them up via Service Discovery
[05:09] <erofee> does anyone here do any PHP coding?
[05:10] <tchize> erofee: a bit from time to time
[05:10] <erofee> can you suggest a good php editor for kubuntu?
[05:10] <tchize> kate :D
[05:10] <erofee> does it colour code?
[05:11] <tchize> of lots of different file formats :)
[05:11] <erofee> i really like my colour coding of tags
[05:11] <tchize> you can even switch from html to php coloring if you prefer to see the html part :)
[05:12] <erofee> great, i had no idea Kate could do that.  Admittedly, i did'nt even try
[05:12] <Flosoft> where is DVD mounted?
[05:12] <Flosoft>  /dvd doesn't work?
[05:12] <tchize> erofee: go in tools -> coloring syntax in kate and you'll see the bunch of coloring it supports
[05:12] <Armagguedes> ./media/ methinks
[05:13] <Flosoft>  /media/dvd?
[05:14] <erofee> holy crap!!! every different type of code you would ever need!!
[05:15] <tchize> erofee: well not all but nearly :)
[05:15] <tchize> for example, it does not support the corssfire maps file format :p
[05:16] <Armagguedes> when such apps have everything you can think of, then most likely the *ONE* thing you need is missing/underdevelopment/broken
[05:16] <erofee> well, good news is I only need PHP and HTML
[05:16] <tchize> i bet 2 coins kate will crash when it open HIS php files :p
[05:17] <tchize> huhoo
[05:17] <tchize> wan somebody tell me what i must do when kde refuses to log out?
[05:18] <nico8481> ctrl+backspace :-)
[05:18] <tchize> ha forget it, after 2 minutes it decided it will disconnect anyway :/
[05:18] <OdyX> (kills X)
[05:18] <nico8481> uh +alt too :)
[05:18] <tchize> nico: this is not very clean way, killing X :)
[05:18] <nico8481> tchize: nope but it works :-)
[05:18] <OdyX> worst than "not clean" anyway...
[05:19] <zblach> tchize, how much time do you think I have?
[05:19] <tchize> and when it doesnt work, resort to alt-sysrq-a :)
[05:19] <tchize> zblach for? :)
[05:20] <Armagguedes> does anyone arouund here have a problem regarding apps in kub. no booting?
[05:20] <Armagguedes> here -especially adept- i launch the app
[05:20] <Armagguedes> the bouncy icon stays there 20s
[05:20] <Armagguedes> and then nothing
[05:21] <OdyX> try to launch it in console for seeing error log..
[05:21] <Armagguedes> this happens a lot
[05:21] <Armagguedes> i try 1-2-10 times
[05:21] <Armagguedes> and nothing
[05:21] <Armagguedes> then i wait a while
[05:22] <OdyX> I had that sort of things... but a long time ago..
[05:22] <Armagguedes> then everything boots ok
[05:22] <OdyX> try to update...
[05:22] <Armagguedes> i have a fully updated system
[05:22] <OdyX> do you have your console log ?
[05:22] <Armagguedes> no
[05:22] <OdyX> open a Konsole...
[05:22] <Armagguedes> i have dapper beggining its installation process
[05:22] <OdyX> oh..
[05:22] <OdyX> ok
[05:23] <OdyX> make as if I had not said anything...
[05:23] <erofee> i have used apt-get to get bittorrent, do i have to do anything further before i use it?
[05:23] <OdyX> ktorrent ? :D
[05:23] <Armagguedes> will there be any other Flight releases?
[05:23] <Armagguedes> erofee maybe bittorrent-gui
[05:23] <tchize> erofee: click on a torrent link :)
[05:24] <OdyX> Armagguedes: Flight 6 normally...
[05:24] <Armagguedes> any dates?
[05:24] <OdyX> no idea...
[05:24] <Armagguedes> what repos do the Flights use?
[05:24] <erofee> OdyX: i am having a bit of trouble using ktorrent, can you tell me how to use it (it may seem as though i am rather dense, but i came from Windows XP about 5 days ago)
[05:25] <OdyX> but in fact, doesn't change anything, 'cause if you are under Dapper (updated), it's the same,,,
[05:25] <Armagguedes> so that i can update from F5 to F6 and get other eventual updates
[05:25] <OdyX> erofee: which version do you have? Breezy's ?
[05:25] <erofee> yep
[05:27] <OdyX> OK... Find a *.torrent (example: http://www.jamendo.com/link.php/p2palbum/126/bittorrent/ogg3 )
[05:27] <OdyX> open it with Ktorrent..
[05:27] <OdyX> wait a couple of ours and hear that free, legal and funny music..
[05:27] <erofee> so do i download the .torrent and open it locally, or point ktorrent straight at it?
[05:28] <GillesMM> hello problem here when I need to enter root passwd I got a wrong pass
[05:28] <Armagguedes> damn
[05:28] <GillesMM> any idea ?
[05:28] <Armagguedes> will Star Wars chapters 1-3 ever get released as a standalone trilogy , instead od separate DVDs (like chapters 4-6)?
[05:30] <OdyX> erofee: normally ktorrent manages to open it...
[05:39] <Armagguedes> Does grub prevent me from booting stuff from cd?
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> prevent you? no
[05:39] <OdyX> Armagguedes: the boot on CD should happen BEFORE grub...
[05:40] <OdyX> so grub cannot do anything for it..
[05:40] <Armagguedes> hm i see
[05:41] <Armagguedes> ktks
[05:46] <tchize> well, can grub have a rule to boot a CD?
[05:46] <tchize> i'd like to be able to boot cd only on demand :)
[05:47] <OdyX> tchize: nope... CDboot is BIOS-stuff
[05:48] <OdyX> so only BIOS can give you CD-boot capabilities
[05:48] <OdyX> (from what I know)
[05:48] <cromo> I can't install xserver-xgl because it conflicts with xserver-xorg-dev that I already have installed. Is this a known problem?
[05:49] <tchize> odyx: but if grub can boot things like hdX where lies a windows install, couldn't it boot hdY where a cd is present?
[05:50] <OdyX> tchize: maybe... I just don't know how...
[05:50] <OdyX> but I hink no...
[06:00] <brodel> When trying to burn a DVD ISO in k3b, it keeps failing saying OPC failed try burning at 1X. If I boot into windows the ISO burns fine in Nero, but obviously that's a pain since I'm trying to learn linux. Any ideas?
[06:01] <Zerlinna> brodel: try with speed = ignore
[06:02] <brodel> I did that too. (found it somewhere on the web)
[06:02] <OdyX> So guys (and let's hope some girls...)... Bye bye..
[06:04] <cyberserver> Do you face problems browsing sites where there are dynamic layer menus and flash, where the menus are not shown because the get behind the flash movie?
[06:04] <cyberserver> For instance, http://www.asus.com.tw/index.aspx
[06:04] <cyberserver> I face this problem on lots of sites... with all browsers, konqueror, forefox, opera...
[06:04] <tchize> cyberserver: yes
[06:04] <tchize> cyberserver: i think that's because the flash plugin gets considered as part of something like an iframe
[06:05] <tchize> cyberserver: most probably because the plugin need to get a rendering context to work on and the browser don't have access to this rendering context :)
[06:05] <tchize> so this is like a cut inside the browser which is replaced by flash :)
[06:06] <cyberserver> tchize: ok... but.. is there a way to overcome this problem then?
[06:06] <tchize> unfortunately most webmasters are not aware that flash is not like a dynamic image :/
[06:06] <tchize> cyberserver i think not
[06:06] <cyberserver> tchize: You mean this could be solved by fixing the web page?
[06:06] <tchize> except dont try to draw web element on top of the flas
[06:07] <tchize> y think this is related to the way the falshplugin work on linux evnironments :/
[06:07] <tchize> so unless you fix plugin / or perhpas xlib, you can't :)
[06:07] <cyberserver> tchize: oh, ok.. for a moment I tought there was a way to say something like "go to upper layer" :-p
[06:08] <tchize> cyberserver: you could give a try to css layers z-order property, but i bet it won't change
[06:08] <cyberserver> tchize: hmmm... the free plugin (as opposite to the macromedia one) shows the same result, I guess...
[06:08] <tchize> the plugin being renderer outside of borwser :/
[06:08] <ncaller> anyone know what is wrong with my iface eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces, I have some kind of syntax or format error, and can't seem to get it right
[06:09] <tchize> ncaller: dump it
[06:09] <ncaller> one sec
[06:09] <ncaller> iface eth0 inet address 172.31.33.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 172.31.33.1
[06:09] <tchize> must not be in one line
[06:10] <tchize> carriage return after inet
[06:10] <tchize> before netmasj
[06:10] <tchize> and before gateway
[06:10] <JakubS_> cyberserver: bug with flash always being on top was recently fixed in svn
[06:10] <tchize> so you must have 4 lines :)
[06:10] <JakubS_> should be in 3.5.2
[06:10] <ncaller> ahhhhhhhh any particular indentation required?
[06:10] <JakubS_> (iframes too)
[06:11] <tchize> ncaller, you can use tab on line 2 3 and 4 but not required mustly used for human reading :)
[06:11] <ncaller> thanks very much
[06:11] <tchize> JaKuBS_ you mean iframe are not anymore 'on top' ?
[06:12] <JakubS_> yes
[06:12] <JakubS_> they are on top only if they were meant to be on top
[06:12] <tchize> looks to me like a security issue
[06:12] <tchize> that mean a website can overlap components, using css, on top of a ssl loaded iframe :/
[06:12] <cyberserver> JakubS_: svn ? I'm lost
[06:12] <jpatrick> Subverison
[06:12] <JakubS_> kde svn - i meant fix in konqueror
[06:12] <oxez> how can I change my nickname on kopete with dcop?
[06:12] <jpatrick> [[SVN] ] 
[06:13] <JakubS_> tchize: if page mixes ssl and non-ssl content (this includes iframes) then it will be regarded as insecure anyway
[06:13] <tchize> unless the surrounding page is sll too
[06:13] <tchize> but from an other identtity
[06:14] <cyberserver> JakubS_: Thanx, I'll have a look... but its konqueror dependent... I was hoping for a generic fix.. :-(
[06:14] <JakubS_> how there can be 'generic' fix for konqueror bug?
[06:15] <tchize> JaKubS_: firefox is a generic fix for konqueror bug, but this fix has it's own bugs :p
[06:15] <JakubS_> blah firefox
[06:16] <ncaller> I am really impressed by all the GUI development tools available: KDevelop, eclipse, quanta
[06:16] <cyberserver> Okkkk... SVN ~ CVS ... Shame on me.. I left developement 2 years ago and I kept myself on CVS age :-p
[06:17] <cyberserver> JakubS_: This is not a Konq bug... I have the same problem in firefox and opera...
[06:17] <cyberserver> JakubS_: Were all talking about the same thing? The flash going over the dynamic menus?
[06:18] <tchize> HO MY GOD
[06:18] <tchize> i just heard the 'writing finished' sound on K3B
[06:18] <JakubS_> yes, i'm trying to find bug id
[06:18] <JakubS_> tchize: rocks, doesn't it ? :-)
[06:18] <tchize> well
[06:19] <tchize> seems like for k3b burning is a difficult task, may explain the victory sound :)
[06:19] <brodel> yeah, is there anything else I can use to burn media?
[06:20] <tchize> brodel: did you burn using dao ou any specific method?
[06:20] <brodel> I tried DAO.. and Auto
[06:21] <JakubS_> cyberserver: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31121 - you meant this behaviour, right?
[06:21] <tchize> did you leave datatrack mode to auto?
[06:22] <JakubS_> cyberserver: see comment #68
[06:22] <brodel> I only see "writing mode"
[06:23] <tchize> brodel: in the 'configuration' tab
[06:24] <tchize> brodel: is it a dvd writer?
[06:24] <brodel> I don't see a configuation tab
[06:24] <XavierGr> I wish the new VMware image was out.
[06:24] <tane|> Have someone installed VMware workstation 5.5 ?
[06:25] <XavierGr> I have
[06:25] <tane|> XavierGr: you have kubuntu ?
[06:25] <tane|> did you followed wikis ?
[06:26] <XavierGr> oops wrong channel, sorry for that.
[06:26] <tane|> :(
[06:26] <XavierGr> you want help for VMware?
[06:26] <tane|> ye
[06:26] <tane|> my install stucked for ./vmware-config.pl
[06:26] <XavierGr> is it about kubuntu?
[06:26] <tane|> yes
[06:26] <tane|> but wikis wont help
[06:27] <tane|> i dont have some libraries or something ....and i cant remove the install...
[06:27] <tane|> sucks
[06:27] <XavierGr>  wish I could help, I don't know much about kubuntu. I just wanted to ask if the new Flight 5 is a live cd or a normal installer. I can't really understand what the main site means
[06:28] <tane|> XavierGr: there are Flight 5 livecd
[06:28] <cyberserver> JakubS_: I'm not sure if that is the samething I'm facing... the first post says "renders correctly with firefox" and in the sites I have problems, they are wrong with firefox, opera, galeon or konqueror...
[06:28] <XavierGr> Is there a full install donwload  with new KDE version?
[06:28] <tane|> and install cd too
[06:28] <JakubS_> 'renders correctly' is about iframes
[06:28] <JakubS_> i thought you mean flash objects
[06:28] <tane|> XavierGr: i dont think so
[06:29] <XavierGr> I thought so... is there a release schedule for it?
[06:30] <cyberserver> JakubS_: Being in svn... can we ... hmmm... checkout it and compile for testing? Or should be available before dapper release?
[06:31] <Blippe> XavierGr, which one is the new one?
[06:31] <JakubS_> it is public, you can checkout and compile whatever you want :-)
[06:31] <cyberserver> #ubuntu
[06:31] <XavierGr> 3.5.1 I guess?
[06:31] <cyberserver> JakubS_: :-p
[06:32] <Blippe> i had 3.5 before... i think it should be avaiable
[06:32] <cyberserver> JakubS_: I think I'll try that the, if it is still not there when dapper gets filnal :-)
[06:32] <XavierGr> Blippe it is available to compile, but I want to skip that. I don't trust my self compiling such big programs.
[06:33] <Blippe> no, i mean, the kubuntu-site have a link to a repo for kde3.5
[06:34] <Blippe> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/ breezy main
[06:35] <Blippe> it got kde 3.5.2 too
[06:35] <Blippe> look at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/
[06:36] <XavierGr> ok thanks
[06:36] <Ilokaaaasu> has anyone installed these i915 drivers ? im having some compile errors, if someone could help
[06:37] <Armagguedes> dudes
[06:37] <Armagguedes> how come, during install, Dapper F5 downloads _720_ packages?
[06:38] <Blippe> why not?
[06:38] <Armagguedes> and then, on first boot, i have _205_ updates to download
[06:38] <Blippe> and again, why not, it is a beta...
[06:38] <Armagguedes> yes
[06:38] <Blippe> and a new flight is probably here within a few weeks
[06:39] <Armagguedes> anyways, how do i had a japanese locale to be able to use SCIM/SKIM
[06:39] <Blippe> so, you're really asking, why there is so few things you have to download?
[06:43] <cyberserver> Blippe: How's the sources.list line for assing kde352 ?
[06:43] <cyberserver> assing = adding :-p
[06:43] <cyberserver> I tried: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ ./
[06:43] <Blippe> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main"  seems probable
[06:44] <Armagguedes> kde352???
[06:44] <Armagguedes> w00t
[06:45] <Armagguedes> since when?
[06:45] <Blippe> since weeks
[06:45] <visik7> is out ?
[06:45] <cyberserver> Blippe: Thx. I just need to import key now, I think...
[06:45] <Armagguedes> there's nothing on KDE's HP...
[06:45] <Blippe> the files are there, if they work, are another question!
[06:46] <cyberserver> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[06:46] <cyberserver> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:46] <Blippe> i haven't tried, i guess it is just a prepered directory for kde3.5.2...
[06:47] <Armagguedes> ... its a cool, easy and quick way to launch rumours and flames
[06:47] <Blippe> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:47] <Blippe> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:48] <Blippe> cyberserver, try to add both 3.5.1 and 3.5 and see which version you get!
[06:49] <tchize> mmm someone already played with movix here?
[06:50] <Armagguedes> how do i add to Dapper the jp_JP locale to make SCIM work?
[06:53] <Blippe> so cyberserver, does it work?
[06:56] <visik7> does someone paste here his   ls -al /usr/bin/fileshareset  ???
[07:07] <Blippe> Armagguedes and kde3.5.2 is downloadable from the archives at the kubuntu.org page...  their version is 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1
[07:15] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[07:16] <KaoticEvil> how do i change my default web browser? i know i saw it once before, but i cant find it now
[07:16] <tchize> huhoo
[07:16] <tchize> how can i unmount a drive? it complains the drive is busy
[07:17] <KaoticEvil> tchize: is it a CD drive?
[07:17] <tchize> dvd
[07:18] <tchize> neither lsof nor ps suggest anything is using it
[07:19] <KaoticEvil> tchize: try adding -l to the umount command
[07:19] <KaoticEvil> thats a lower-case L
[07:19] <tchize> -l?
[07:19] <KaoticEvil> open a konsole window, and umount it by hand :)
[07:19] <KaoticEvil> umount -l <mountpoint>
[07:20] <tchize> ok, but will it allow ejection?
[07:20] <KaoticEvil> as long as it's unmounted, should, yes
[07:21] <tchize> kaoticEvil: nope, now according to mount, it is unmouted, but it does not eject
[07:21] <KaoticEvil> tchize: try using the eject command...
[07:21] <KaoticEvil> again, from konsole
[07:22] <tchize> eject /dev/hdc?
[07:23] <KaoticEvil> try eject -r /dev/hdc
[07:24] <KaoticEvil> and actually, if you would just try "eject" it would default to your cdrom drive
[07:24] <tchize> it says io error when doing using the 'eject -r /dev/hdc' command and says 'illegal argument' when using 'eject /dev/hdc'
[07:24] <KaoticEvil> or, in this case, your dvd drive
[07:24] <KaoticEvil> then just try eject by itself
[07:24] <tchize> eject alone tells me too 'illegal argument'
[07:24] <KaoticEvil> wierd
[07:24] <tchize> or invalid argument? (am translation from french)
[07:25] <KaoticEvil> same difference
[07:25] <KaoticEvil> i dunno then... im not all that advanced as far as linux goes...
[07:25] <tchize> hehe :)
[07:26] <KaoticEvil> i only know a few commands...
[07:26] <tchize> seems lazy umouting will not free cd as long as i did not stop whatever is using it :/
[07:26] <KaoticEvil> you may want to wait until hobbsee or nalioth or someone who knows more about linux comes in...
[07:26] <tchize> o my got
[07:26] <tchize> got what was stucking my dvd
[07:27] <KaoticEvil> cool :D
[07:27] <KaoticEvil> what was it?
[07:27] <tchize> i did try to mount a filsystem in the dvd as a loop back
[07:27] <tchize> mount said it couldn't find the filesystem asosciated
[07:27] <tchize> but it did not release the loop device it had just created and pointing to /cdrom/path/to/loopback/filesystem :s
[07:27] <KaoticEvil> ahhhh
[07:28] <KaoticEvil> that sucks man
[07:28] <tchize> and the loopback device is not listed in lsof :/
[07:29] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: what's up?
[07:32] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth :)
[07:32] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth... you may know the answer here... how do i change my damned default browser? i found it once, but i cant find it again
[07:33] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[07:33] <asraniel> anybody ever had this? on my laptop i have a internet connection for 10 seconds after i made "sudo dhclient" then its dead until i do it again
[07:34] <tchize> asraniel: wrong leasetime in dhcp server?
[07:34] <asraniel> tchize: i never touched it, do you know how to change it?
[07:35] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: ya got me stumped on that (i can tell you how it works in ubuntu)
[07:35] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[07:35] <tchize> asraniel: that dhcp server specific
[07:36] <tchize> what does dhclient tells you about lease time?
[07:36] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: prolly the same...
[07:36] <Naail> ever had your terminal window in KDE displaying the wallpaper from gnome?
[07:37] <asraniel> tchize: i cant see any information in the console output about the leastime, only for the next renewal, which is after 30k seconds
[07:37] <tchize> that's the leas time  about :)
[07:37] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: well, in gnome it's system > prefs > preferred applications
[07:38] <asraniel> tchize: well, then its my wifi that is broken. strange. ok, i always had some problems, but never so much
[07:38] <danimo> Riddell: does kpdf in kubuntu use poppler?
[07:38] <Riddell> danimo: in dapper yes
[07:38] <tchize> asraniel: did you
[07:39] <danimo> Riddell: it uses crappy fonts by default :(
[07:39] <tchize> did you check you can ping your dhcp server before retyping dhclient?
[07:39] <danimo> Riddell: unless not explicitly specified in the pdf
[07:40] <asraniel> tchize: good point, yes i can ping it. ok, thats extremely strange, dont understand it, realy. this desktop pc here is connected over wire. the laptop over wifi, on the same router (which is also dhcp). and the desktop one works
[07:41] <danimo> Riddell: this way it becomes unusable with those pdfs
[07:41] <tchize> asraniel: give it a static ip try :/ i bet router has some dhcp problems with wifi
[07:41] <Riddell> danimo: got an example?
[07:41] <danimo> Riddell: yes, sec
[07:42] <danimo> Riddell: grml, and cups/ghostscript is buggy like hell :(
[07:43] <asraniel> tchize: gona try that. its just that my experience tells me that when i have a static ip my router wont let me go on the net
[07:43] <Kyral> I have to replace my M/B, but good luck finding a good Socket A ATX board now...
[07:44] <h3sp4wn> asraniel : what wireless driver are you using if its ralink 2500 I know some of its quirks
[07:46] <asraniel> h3sp4wn: ipw2200
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> asraniel: with or without wpasupplicant
[07:49] <KaoticEvil> hmmm...
[07:49] <KaoticEvil> whats goin on here?
[07:50] <KaoticEvil> my sound system just died
[07:55] <asraniel> tchize && h3sp4wn: probably got the reason. the other network card of the laptop was active, and used the same ip range. now i believe that sometimes linux tried to go over the not connected but still active second network card.
[07:58] <tchize> asraniel ha, you didn't defined correctly your default gateway then :)
[07:58] <asraniel> tchize:probably, but i never touched it, so i didnt look correctly at it, specialy because it worked sometimes
[07:59] <simian__> ok, i've decided to abanden openoffice for a while and give Koffice a go
[08:00] <simian__> but the spell checker dosen't recognise apostrophe word'd  like    haven't    I've    etc.
[08:00] <simian__> that can't be right
[08:00] <tchize> :)
[08:00] <tchize> asraniel: most easy is i suppose to deactivate not working one :)
[08:01] <Desh> Hello, Im a linux newbie, and i was wondering, how can I get my wLan card to work?
[08:01] <Desh> I got the nidswrapper
[08:01] <asraniel> tchize: thats what i did, seems to work now, thanks
[08:01] <Desh> and the driver that came with the computer on the CD
[08:01] <tchize> asraniel: you're welcomed :)
[08:01] <Desh> and after using nidswrapper -i [location]   and then use -l it says the driver is incorrect
[08:02] <Desh> Anyone got any ideas?
[08:04] <slow-motion> re
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> Desh: did you check the wiki for the correct driver?
[08:05] <KaoticEvil> rather, for what other people have used
[08:05] <Desh> well it didnt specify a specific one
[08:05] <KaoticEvil> did you look for the card, or the chipset that it uses?
[08:05] <Desh> and i found that my laptop, a z80k, uses a broadcom driver
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> ok
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> try another driver :P
[08:06] <Desh> Lol
[08:06] <Desh> Hmm its so frustrating cos im a noob at this
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> i got lucky.. mine used the CD that was on the driver... just had to copy it over to my hard drive
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> Desh: as am i...
[08:06] <Desh> heh, i also cant play mp3s
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> Desh: try running "lspci | grep Ethernet" from a konsole
[08:07] <Desh> alright, right after im dine installing kubuntu again
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> ok
[08:07] <Desh> i messed a few things up as root
[08:07] <Desh> :)
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> hehe
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> its easy to do
[08:07] <Desh> yeah
[08:07] <Desh> i could use the su as normal user after that
[08:08] <KaoticEvil> i remember my first experiences as root...
[08:08] <KaoticEvil> Desh: use sudo instead of su
[08:08] <Desh> ok
[08:08] <KaoticEvil> anyway, im off to install edubuntu on my kid's computers
[08:08] <KaoticEvil> bbl
[08:08] <Desh> iw asnt my mp3s!
[08:08] <Desh> bye bye
[08:08] <Desh> thanks
[08:10] <Desh> aha!
[08:11] <Desh> ok someone help, this is my WLAN card: Broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g
[08:11] <Desh> what driver should I use?
[08:11] <qwa> hello
[08:11] <Desh> hi
[08:18] <AngryElf> hey all, my screen saver wont' start automatically, despite it being set to do so, any ideas?
[08:21] <sorush21>  guys I'm unable to save anything to my kontact, I'm trying to edit my calander and it will not work..
[08:22] <Desh> i'd help but im a newb at linux
[08:23] <tane|> Have anyone installed VMWare workstation 5.5 to kubuntu 5.1 AMD64
[08:26] <larsivi> my dapper amarok won't output any sound, the system is able to make all the sounds it wants, any tips?
[08:26] <nico8481> someone knows a laptop on which *everything works* with ubuntu ?
[08:26] <ipfw> ncaller:  you awake ?
[08:26] <nico8481> *everything* works
[08:27] <larsivi> nico8481: everything I've tried works with my toshiba tecra a3 from last year
[08:27] <larsivi> since breezy
[08:27] <nico8481> larsivi: hmm i hope it's still available in stores :p
[08:28] <larsivi> it was brand new when I bought it so it might be available still
[08:30] <nico8481> not on the site where i'm looking so i doubt i'll see in local stores... :(
[08:30] <nico8481> too bad that when i find a model where everything works it's never sold in stores ...
[08:31] <larsivi> I ordered it from a local retailer
[08:31] <nico8481> and 512MB ram, 60GB HD :-/
[08:31] <nico8481> i'd rather have 1GB and 100GB :-)
[08:31] <larsivi> hmm, no, 80GB, but a slow one
[08:32] <ipfw> I'd rather have 4Gig of Ram, and No HD :)
[08:32] <larsivi> I went for an affordable low-weight PC back then
[08:34] <tane|> nico8481 i have fujitsu siemens amilo d FH2U and ubuntu works fine..
[08:34] <chopemax> hi
[08:36] <kapputu> some problems with Dapper release of kubuntu
[08:36] <kapputu> first thing it sucks big time
[08:36] <kapputu> I think it should be moved to june 2007
[08:36] <_ron> hello, is the a setting so i can auto login? i am the only user on this comp so there really is no point atm to have a login screen.
[08:37] <Blissex> kapputu: there is no Dapper release of Kubuntu... precisely because...
[08:37] <kapputu> because it's crappy
[08:37] <kapputu> ok
[08:37] <nico8481> k thx
[08:38] <chopemax> some time ago I blocked the resolv.conf file so that it would't be overwritten every bootup, following some guide on the web. I want to modify the file now and can't find how to unblock it.. any ideas? (when i run ifup, it says resolv.conf is mode 0644)
[08:38] <nico8481> what about HP?
[08:38] <ccc_> kapputu: thank you for the intelligent input.
[08:39] <kapputu> ccc_ you're welcome
[08:39] <kapputu> Flight 5 is very unstable
[08:40] <_ron> nm     found it
[08:41] <Desh> argh i cant get wlan to work
[08:42] <Desh> i install the driver the wiki for ndiswrapper wiki says and it makes a folder in etc/ndiswrapper, no inf, says the driver is invalid <_<
[08:42] <visik7> does someone paste here his   ls -al /usr/bin/fileshareset  ???
[08:42] <nico8481> and macbooks? how does ubuntu run on them ?
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> ccc: there is a dapper release of kubuntu and I am running it fine (with minor problems - that I have work arounds for)
[08:43] <Desh> if this being dumb im gonna move back to windows, not getting wlan to work is ridiculous
[08:43] <Desh> >_<
[08:47] <chopemax> Desh: maybe you can find some info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessTroubleshootingGuide?highlight=%28resolv.conf%29 (i have no idea)
[08:47] <Desh> thanks :)
[08:50] <cinder> how do i install a kopete style??
[08:52] <Blissex> cinder: try #Kopete it is fairly active
[08:57] <Armagguedes> damn
[08:57] <Armagguedes> now i dont have wifi in Dapper5
[08:57] <Armagguedes> what gives?
[08:57] <Armagguedes> during installation it had no probs in downloading stuff
[08:57] <Armagguedes> ideas?
[08:58] <Armagguedes> also, i cant get adept to work, and firefox seems to be missing
[09:02] <Desh> I never had wifi :(
[09:02] <trappist> Armagguedes: what is dapper5?
[09:02] <trappist> are you referring to flight5 or the livecd?
[09:02] <ipfw> ncaller:  you awake yet ?
[09:04] <jarlath> I'm trying to compile an application, but it says it cannot locate the QT4 include path. Im sure qt4 includes and libs are installed and I've tried supplying the path but still no luck. Has anyone done this?
[09:13] <laszlok> jarlath: ya that is always a pain, cause you have qt3 installed too right?
[09:15] <laszlok> jarlath: you have to run ./configure --with-qt-includes=DIR --with-qt-libraries=DIR
[09:15] <jarlath> laszlok No actually, I have qt4, but Ive just realised that I need 4.1 - 4.0 wont do.
[09:15] <jarlath> laszlok, thanks for the advice.
[09:17] <GameOVer69> hey guys i just recently updated dapper with the adept update program and when i restarted my computer once i get into kde... my screen is all screwed up... only thing i can see correctly is my mouse
[09:17] <laszlok> jarlath: np good luck
[09:17] <GameOVer69> anyone can please help me correct this?
[09:17] <jarlath> thx
[09:17] <nalioth> GameOVer69: dapper help and discussion in #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <laszlok> GameOVer69: try pressing ctrl+atl+f1, do you get a terminal?
[09:19] <Armagguedes> trappist installed  dapper flight 5
[09:20] <GameOVer69> nalioth hold on
[09:20] <GameOVer69> let me turn it on
[09:23] <GameOVer69> nalioth: yes i get the terminal
[09:23] <nalioth> GameOVer69: type /j #ubuntu+1  and ask there
[09:23] <GameOVer69> i did no one has answered me
[09:32] <sledge> At least that's what I think.
[09:37] <jpatrick> hi Tintin
[09:37] <jpatrick> and I thought it was just a comic book :)
[09:39] <_milo> what up
[09:39] <_milo> !
[09:39] <ubotu> _milo: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:48] <petsei> leave #kubuntu
[09:48] <tane|> which dirvers should i install to kubuntu 5.1 when i have Ati Radeon X300 PCI-E card
[09:48] <tane|> ati or ubuntu own
[09:51] <heinkel_111> Hello!
[09:51] <heinkel_111> somebody experienced with K3b?
[09:52] <_redondos> hello
[09:52] <_redondos> well, ask...
[09:52] <heinkel_111> pleaste take a look at this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4255.0
[09:52] <heinkel_111> and this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4254.0
[09:52] <regeya> greetings heinkel_111
[09:52] <heinkel_111> hi regeya :)
[09:52] <regeya> !tell heinkel_111about ask
[09:53] <heinkel_111> regeya: the bot tells me nothing :P
[09:53] <regeya> oh happy day--firefox and kde are playing perfectly nice.
[09:53] <heinkel_111> k3b won't burn discs for me :(
[09:54] <regeya> sorry heinkel_111, I thought I was using the right term, but wasn't.  all the bot would have told you was, 'don't ask to ask, just ask' or something along those lines.
[09:54] <heinkel_111> I had to --god grief--- boot windows and use nero
[09:54] <heinkel_111> that must never happen again :P
[09:54] <regeya> I'll check those links out in a moment, but I'm not really 'experienced'; I rarely have problems with k3b so my experience is with a working k3b install. :-/
[09:54] <heinkel_111> so now I need to hack these problems away
[09:55] <heinkel_111> and I appreciate all help :)
[09:55] <_redondos> I have a problem installing kubuntu 6.04 dapper drake 4 on a MMX machine
[09:56] <regeya> heinkel_111: is this an atapi writer?
[09:56] <_redondos> I have a problem installing kubuntu 6.04 dapper drake 4 on a MMX machine
[09:57] <tane|> SOMEONE WITH ATI CARD @ PCI-Express ?
[09:57] <heinkel_111> regeya..i don't know but the aord sounds familiar..is taht the factory name or what
[09:57] <regeya> uh...I give, how are you aware of problems with a 10-year-old instruction-set extension, and how the devil is that causing problems installing?
[09:58] <heinkel_111> ?
[09:58] <regeya> heinkel_111: no, just wondering if your drive is IDE or SCSI...if you don't know, it's probably IDE
[09:58] <_redondos> well
[09:58] <_redondos> when I try to install kubuntu
[09:58] <regeya> wait.../dev/hdd
[09:58] <regeya> that would be ide
[09:59] <dacorsa> how to activate root user in login????
[09:59] <_redondos> it says: Bad page at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'swapper', page)
[09:59] <regeya> and what I was about to suggest was specifying a driver, but I don't see an option in k3b to set a driver for cdrecord, just cdrdao
[09:59] <Tm_T> dacorsa: why should you?
[09:59] <_redondos> I have a problem installing kubuntu 6.04 dapper drake 4 on a MMX machine
[09:59] <_redondos> it says: Bad page at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'swapper', page)
[09:59] <dacorsa> for vdr
[09:59] <dacorsa> i must install vdr
[09:59] <regeya> dacorsa, I'm goign to sound like a BOFH, but don't do that.
[09:59] <dacorsa> i have give pass
[10:00] <dacorsa> ok
[10:00] <_redondos> anyone can help me ???
[10:00] <dacorsa> and if i would enter
[10:00] <dacorsa> ?
[10:00] <dacorsa> can i activate root
[10:00] <dacorsa> in login
[10:00] <dacorsa> ?
[10:00] <dacorsa> in ubuntu i did it
[10:00] <dacorsa> but in kubuntu
[10:00] <dacorsa> no
[10:01] <arcanistherogue> hey
[10:01] <arcanistherogue> I have a question
[10:01] <arcanistherogue> I just installed KDE 3.5.1, and now I can't start xorg
[10:01] <arcanistherogue> hello
[10:01] <regeya> dacorsa: do you want to activate root, or have it show up in the kdm login screen?  why in the aych-ee-double-hockey-sticks do you need root to show up in kdm, if that's the case?
[10:02] <regeya> dacorsa: show us in the vdr docs where it says you have to be able to log in as root, please.  I want to send the author(s) a nasty note.
[10:02] <dacorsa> no
[10:03] <dacorsa> no need
[10:03] <arcanistherogue> hey can anyone see my text?  i'm on ircii, i don't really know how to use it too well
[10:03] <dacorsa> to enter in root for vdr
[10:03] <regeya> blah.
[10:03] <regeya> sudo vdr
[10:03] <regeya> ?
[10:03] <dacorsa> ok
[10:03] <regeya> dunno
[10:03] <dacorsa> ok
[10:03] <dacorsa> thanks regeya
[10:04] <regeya> will the vdr-daemon not do what you need?  I know nothing about the program, sorry, but I just knew based on my limited knowledge that you shouldn't have to log in as root...sorry for being a prick.  I have a screaming headache. :-(
[10:04] <dacorsa> ok
[10:04] <nalioth> arcanistherogue: you are here
[10:04] <dacorsa> don't matter
[10:04] <dacorsa> !
[10:04] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, dacorsa
[10:04] <dacorsa> thanks
[10:04] <honesty> how do I startx kbfx after install
[10:05] <arcanistherogue> nalioth: thanks
[10:05] <milosevic> see you all
[10:05] <arcanistherogue> did anyone get any problems
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> like i did
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> when upgrading KDE?
[10:06] <Red_Herring> no
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> i cant start X anymore
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> it says "no screens found"
[10:06] <Red_Herring> allright
[10:06] <Red_Herring> ah
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> I tried editing the xorg config too
[10:06] <Red_Herring> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> i can't get it to work
[10:06] <arcanistherogue> k
[10:09] <_redondos> I have a problem installing kubuntu 6.04 dapper drake 4 on a MMX machine
[10:10] <nalioth> _redondos: join #ubuntu+1 for dapper help
[10:11] <arcanistherogue> red_herring: hey dude when I am configuring this, it shows a selection of resolutions ina  checklist.  how do i check one, as if i hit enter it just skips by this
[10:11] <Red_Herring> space bar
[10:11] <arcanistherogue> k
[10:11] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[10:12] <Red_Herring> who on earth would install kubuntu on a MMX, arent those ancient?
[10:12] <_redondos> ok
[10:12] <_redondos> welllll...
[10:12] <_redondos> but it says it supports 32mb
[10:12] <_redondos> I have 64
[10:12] <_redondos> pentium 233
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> thanks a billion dude
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> red_herring
[10:13] <Red_Herring> arcanistherogue: does it work?
[10:13] <_redondos> read help (pre-requisites) before talk
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> that fixed it, and i can even go to a higher reso (1280 x 1024)
[10:13] <Red_Herring> :-D
[10:13] <Red_Herring> im just a helpful guy
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> (~_^)B
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> oops
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> (~_^)b
[10:13] <arcanistherogue> quit leaving now to play with X <_<
[10:13] <Red_Herring> _redondos: just dont expect it to run very fast
[10:14] <_redondos> I know
[10:14] <_redondos> ..to run fast..
[10:15] <Red_Herring> when i say very fast, i mean pretty much at all
[10:15] <_redondos> yes, I know
[10:15] <Red_Herring> i tried to put it on an old laptop, and it literally took 10 minutes to boot up
[10:16] <Clockworker> can i install only kde without kcalc , koffice etc apps?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: sure
[10:16] <Red_Herring> but why not install kcalc?
[10:16] <Clockworker> Red_Herring how?
[10:16] <Clockworker> i have gnome now
[10:16] <Red_Herring> its only gotta be like 10 kb
[10:16] <Clockworker> dapper+gnome
[10:16] <Clockworker> and only want to test kde
[10:16] <Red_Herring> and you want kde apps?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> or kde isteslf
[10:16] <_redondos> RED_herring: ughhg
[10:16] <Red_Herring> without any apps for it?
[10:16] <Clockworker> yes
[10:16] <Red_Herring> ok...
[10:17] <Red_Herring> just install the package... kde-base
[10:17] <Red_Herring> i believe its called
[10:17] <Clockworker> ah ok and then i dont like it only remove this package? ^^
[10:18] <Red_Herring> hm, in theory
[10:18] <Red_Herring> but i gotta make sure of something
[10:18] <Red_Herring> you DO realize that kubuntu and ubuntu can live side by side?
[10:18] <Red_Herring> i mean, i have GNOME ubuntu and KDE kubuntu dapper installed now
[10:18] <Red_Herring> and i love it
[10:19] <Red_Herring> and it takes up an additional 1gb
[10:19] <Clockworker> hehe xp only need up to 2gb xD
[10:19] <Clockworker> have you xgl install, too?
[10:20] <Red_Herring> yeah, but dont waste your time
[10:20] <Red_Herring> its ultra buggy
[10:20] <ubuntu> hi
[10:20] <Clockworker> ok Red_Herring so you think its better to say apt-get install kde (with apps)
[10:20] <Red_Herring> i think its best so apt-get install kubuntu-deskto
[10:20] <Red_Herring> *desktop
[10:20] <ubuntu> running in a dapper livecd, i can't get sound in kaffeine - is there a easy way to fix that?
[10:20] <Red_Herring> but that gives you ALL of kubuntu
[10:21] <Clockworker> ok thx Red_Herring i try now ;)
[10:21] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: wait
[10:21] <Clockworker> ok :)
[10:21] <Red_Herring> if you just want KDE without the kubuntu login screen and all
[10:21] <Red_Herring> go with the package kde
[10:21] <sredna|dapper> otherwise sound seems to work fine, i do have system sounds
[10:22] <Red_Herring> sredna|dapper: no clue off the top of my head
[10:22] <Clockworker> so i will now enter apt-get install kde right?
[10:22] <cyberserver> people, I am thinking on setting up a new system base on AMD Athlon64 or Athlon 64x2. Anyone has good motherboard references for this? I was thinking of Asus A8N-VM/A8N-VM CSM but I read numerous problems with nvidia mb (IDE, Network,Sound) and Linux..
[10:22] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: if you want, but the kubuntu artwork is great
[10:22] <Red_Herring> i would suggest kubuntu-desktop, which gives you kde and all of the kubuntu artwork
[10:23] <Red_Herring> but thats up to you
[10:23] <Red_Herring> cyberserver: i have the Asus A8N SLI
[10:23] <Red_Herring> it works 100%
[10:23] <Clockworker> kk if its only the login screen... mh ok gnome work than too right?
[10:23] <Red_Herring> gnome will work
[10:23] <Red_Herring> but for some odd reason about half of it will be kubuntu blue
[10:23] <sredna|dapper> hm, i have a System->QParted, but no such command
[10:24] <Clockworker> k fine thx
[10:24] <cyberserver> Red_Herring: Hmmm... ok... I think that one has nforce4 chipset...
[10:24] <cyberserver> Red_Herring: thx
[10:24] <Red_Herring> cyberserver: you have nforce3?
[10:25] <sredna|dapper> ah, i do have it
[10:25] <dragonkh> anyone running dapper ? is it ok to switch to it?
[10:25] <dragonkh> or is it constantly broken still ?
[10:26] <nalioth> dragonkh: ask in #ubuntu+1 (see the /topic)
[10:26] <OdyX> dragonkh: it is testing version...
[10:26] <OdyX> so it can break at any moment...
[10:27] <cyberserver> I'm still googling to find out what to buy. The MB's I mentioned have something called geforce6100+nforce410 and geforce6150+nforce430, instead on nforce4
[10:27] <_jeff> hey guys
[10:27] <_philipp> when i run k3bsetup is just get an empty window with ok apply and cancel. But I cant do anything in this windows. No setup... Why and what can I do against it??
[10:28] <yanncrash> ca fait super plaisir pouvoir se connecter
[10:28] <_philipp> i can also select help and defaults. But no chance to change anything
[10:28] <OdyX> yanncrash: englische plise :D
[10:28] <_jeff> does anybody know how to suggest things to KDE developers?
[10:28] <cyberserver> people, I am thinking on setting up a new system base on AMD Athlon64 or Athlon 64x2. Anyone has good motherboard references for this? I was thinking of Asus A8N-VM/A8N-VM CSM but I read numerous problems with nvidia mb (IDE, Network,Sound) and Linux..
[10:28] <OdyX> _jeff: => #kde?
[10:29] <yanncrash> i search the same canal but in french
[10:29] <yanncrash> i search the canal for kubuntu french
[10:30] <heinkel_111> try #kubuntu-fr ?
[10:30] <yanncrash> thanks
[10:30] <heinkel_111> de rien :)
[10:30] <nalioth> !fr
[10:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:31] <_jeff> odyx: ok ill try that
[10:31] <_jeff> odyx: thanks
[10:31] <_philipp> !de
[10:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[10:32] <_root> `p
[10:32] <_philipp> ever heard of that k3b prob?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> ehich k3b problem?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> which k3b problem?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> I have a k3b problem! You can have my problem if you want....
[10:47] <_jeff> all who think kubuntu is great say 'I':
[10:47] <_jeff> *I
[10:47] <OdyX> "I"
[10:47] <_jeff> lol
[10:48] <batter_> I :D
[10:48] <dragonkh> I
[10:48] <_jeff> how do you make those? ^
[10:48] <_jeff> lol
[10:48] <OdyX> _jeff: those?
[10:48] <_jeff> yeah
[10:48] <OdyX> like /me says something ?
[10:48] <_jeff> yeah
[10:49] <OdyX> that's it
[10:49] <dragonkh> do you remember the slap command ?
[10:49] <dragonkh> that was fun
[10:49] <dragonkh> hehe
[10:49] <_jeff> lol
[10:49] <OdyX> slap ?
[10:49] <OdyX> I don't
[10:49] <_jeff> ?
[10:50] <dragonkh> back in the day - say 8 years ago
[10:50] <dragonkh> it started IRC wars !
[10:50] <_jeff> lol
[10:50] <OdyX> 8 years ?
[10:50] <dragonkh> the wet fish slap
[10:50] <dragonkh> yeah back in um 1998 ish
[10:51] <Petecakes> I'm trying to edit the date/time, and when I right click on the time in the taskbar and select "Edit Date/Time" I'm presented with a prompt for the root password. When I click Ignore, the editor for the date/time comes up but I can't do anything (as I would expect), but when I enter the root password (which I know is correct) nothing happens. Any ideas?
[10:51] <_jeff> hm
[10:51] <dragonkh> Petecakes: put in your user name
[10:52] <dragonkh> password
[10:52] <dragonkh> and not the root one
[10:52] <Petecakes> dragonkh; I'll go try that, brb.
[11:06] <_philipp> when I start k3b ist says: "Since Linux kernel 2.6.8 cdrecord will not work when run suid root " How do I get rid off suid root?
[11:06] <_philipp> must be a simple command
[11:09] <_philipp> sudo chmod -s /usr/bin/cdrecord*   did it.
[11:09] <sredna|dapper> why would a part of my harddisk be 'unusable'?
[11:11] <_mindspin> sredna|dapper: maybe "too much partitions"
[11:11] <_mindspin> you can have only 4 normal partitions on an ide disk
[11:11] <sredna|dapper> _mindspin: how can i change that?
[11:12] <_mindspin> if there's space left its "unusable"
[11:12] <frank23> sredna|dapper: are you partitioning now?
[11:12] <_mindspin> make one partition an "extended" parttition wherin you can make further logical partitions
[11:12] <sredna|dapper> frank23: no, i was looking to utilize that 10G unused space to install kubuntu
[11:13] <sredna|dapper> so i wanted to create a partition on it
[11:13] <frank23> sredna|dapper: that 10G was unpartitioned? why?
[11:13] <_mindspin> how many parttitions do you have without that 10 Gb
[11:13] <sredna|dapper> the disk have 4 partitions
[11:14] <_mindspin> then the 10 GB will be unusable no matter linux or win
[11:14] <sredna|dapper> _mindspin: then why does fdisk tell me i can have up to 63 partitions on a ide disk?
[11:15] <frank23> sredna|dapper: maybe you'll have to delete one partition and create it again.   4 primary max. many logical partitions possible
[11:15] <_mindspin> only if you use extended partition as partition type
[11:15] <sredna|dapper> one of the partitions is a very small /boot partition, i could copy that into the place i use for root
[11:17] <_mindspin> that could be a way but you have to install the bootmanager in the mbr then afaik
[11:20] <sredna|dapper> hm, a trap
[11:25] <sredna|dapper> kubuntu livecd appears not totab with my harddisks
[11:50] <km0ti0n> I just have added my old ntfs IDE as a slave on IDE0.   how od I mount it?
[11:50] <km0ti0n> s/od/do
[11:51] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/something
[11:51] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: mkdir /mnt/ntfs; mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
[11:51] <JohnFlux> to be more precise
[11:52] <km0ti0n> sweet, that's mounted it.
[11:52] <km0ti0n> only root has access tho.
[11:53] <km0ti0n>  it's ro isn't it?  Who would I beable to alow a non root user to access it?
[11:53] <root_> Hey guys, I just upgraded to Dapper, and now "Run" isnt working
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: yeah somehow, but it's a pain - i can't remember how
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: man mount
[11:53] <km0ti0n> ok thanks for your help
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: uuid  option or something
[11:53] <JohnFlux> and guid
[11:59] <root_> Does anyone think they know some sort of solution
[12:01] <km0ti0n> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /windows/C -t ntfs -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[12:01] <km0ti0n> thanks again JohnFlux.
[12:01] <Cilindrador> anyone here using SCIM/SKIM ?
[12:02] <fatejudger> is anyone able to change KDM themes in Flight 5 with the latest updates?