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| MornHyland | Hello | 02:15 |
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| MornHyland | I am curious, if I already ubuntu installed is it is easy to add repositories for edubuntu and get just add the educational software? | 02:15 |
| Burgundavia | MornHyland: yes | 02:19 |
| bimberi | hi MornHyland, edubuntu uses the same repositories, to get the additional packages install the edubuntu-desktop metapackage | 02:19 |
| MornHyland | bimberi: cool, so I don't need to add a new repository | 02:20 |
| MornHyland | that makes it easy | 02:20 |
| MornHyland | I want to show the people in the math dept the great tools | 02:20 |
| MornHyland | My congrats goes out to the developers, it is a great distribution | 02:22 |
| MornHyland | I'm a convert from a long time with Mandrake, and others before that | 02:22 |
| bimberi | MornHyland: yes, i was a bit of a distro-hopper myself before ubuntu came along :) | 02:28 |
| Burgundavia | MornHyland: ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu share the same repos | 02:30 |
| MornHyland | Burgudavia: yeah, that is great actually | 02:36 |
| MornHyland | bimberi: I have been a linux user for too long | 02:37 |
| bimberi | MornHyland: too long? never :) | 02:37 |
| MornHyland | bimberi: since 1993 | 02:37 |
| MornHyland | before there really were distros | 02:38 |
| MornHyland | I heard about it over fidonet | 02:38 |
| bimberi | MornHyland: wow, well good to hear that *ubuntu is keeping the fire burning for you | 02:39 |
| MornHyland | I was becoming frustrated with Mandrake | 02:39 |
| MornHyland | and ubuntu has given me a new lease | 02:39 |
| MornHyland | Something I would really like to see is better notetaking/journaling software for class notes on a tablet pc | 03:05 |
| MornHyland | as a student | 03:06 |
| Burgundavia | there are a few, not packaged | 03:06 |
| Burgundavia | xournal and gournal | 03:06 |
| MornHyland | I almost had the wacom tablet working for a moment before a kernel upgrade broke it | 03:09 |
| MornHyland | Maybe this summer when I am not so bogged down with classes I will work on something | 03:10 |
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| gboutwell | I'm looking for a home distro to install for some fun education programs for my 2 boys - 4 yrs (preschool) and 8 yrs (2nd grade but doing really well in school) | 04:52 |
| HedgeMage | gboutwell: my son likes edubuntu :) He's a bit younger, though (3) | 04:57 |
| gboutwell | :) | 04:58 |
| bimberi | gboutwell: as do my 2 sons (8 and 6) - although it's hard to get them out of the Games menu and into the more Educational packages :) | 04:58 |
| gboutwell | :) | 04:58 |
| gboutwell | Yeah well I have that problem now with Windows... them playing games instead of doing educational stuff. :) | 05:01 |
| bimberi | of course you and i were never like that when we were that age :P | 05:02 |
| gboutwell | I wasn't ever good at computer games really. Only game I ever got close to winning was Carmen San Diego... Mostly cause it was just looking up in the reference | 05:03 |
| gboutwell | So I moved on and tried computer programming... been enjoying that ever since! | 05:04 |
| bimberi | :) | 05:05 |
| gboutwell | Of course I didn't get into computers till I was quite a bit older than my oldest | 05:05 |
| bimberi | gboutwell: oh yes, but "playing games instead of doing educational stuff" has wider applicability than just computers :) | 05:06 |
| gboutwell | True, True | 05:08 |
| gboutwell | It'll be interesting to see if they take aliking to Linux or just keep going back to Windows | 05:13 |
| gboutwell | Is there a list of packages included in edubuntu or comparisons with like Debian-Jr or Debian-Edu? | 05:16 |
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| bimberi | gboutwell: there is this (although not strictly a list) - http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html | 05:24 |
| gboutwell | Yeah.. I looked at that. | 05:24 |
| gboutwell | It's pretty good. I especially liked the GCompris section | 05:26 |
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| root | it seems I've managed to get here...is anything exciting going on at the moment? | 09:34 |
| root | ooops be back in sec... | 09:35 |
| root | exit | 09:35 |
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| jeff_ | unimatrix9 do you mean for configuration? | 10:26 |
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| RasCaL | I am having big problems with the install :( | 10:44 |
| RasCaL | can anyone help? | 10:44 |
| RasCaL | I downloaded the 386 install ISO via torrent | 10:44 |
| RasCaL | burned the ISO and installed | 10:45 |
| RasCaL | 50% through the install it ejects the disc and reboots... | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | I would check the md5sum on the iso and then reburn | 10:45 |
| RasCaL | starts installing the packages and then says some libraries are no good | 10:45 |
| RasCaL | Burgundavia I am done with the disc though? | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | you are saying the disc could be bad? | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | the kernal is fine it is running now | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | or your cdrom | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | no GUI | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | oops kernel | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | no gnome | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | I ran apt-get update | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | the apt-get upgrade | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | then* | 10:46 |
| RasCaL | but still no gnome | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | what sort of install did you do? | 10:47 |
| RasCaL | I pressed enter | 10:48 |
| RasCaL | standard? | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:48 |
| RasCaL | it is active I mean the update and upgrade both got new packages and updated the database | 10:48 |
| RasCaL | is there any way to fix this without being forced to download from your servers? | 10:48 |
| RasCaL | I mean since it is half running | 10:49 |
| RasCaL | I won't be getting it with bit-torrent next time LOL | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | bittorrent is not the issue | 10:49 |
| RasCaL | I only burned it @ 4x | 10:49 |
| RasCaL | that is my lowest setting | 10:50 |
| RasCaL | same drive that I burned my other 2 Edubuntu ISO's | 10:50 |
| RasCaL | they worked flawlessly | 10:50 |
| RasCaL | but they have been 'stolen' by my brothers :( | 10:50 |
| RasCaL | is the fix remote somehow using apt-get by chance? | 10:51 |
| RasCaL | I ask because I know that is one thing that works :) | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | it is probably pretty easy to fix your system, but sadly I am really busy right now :( | 10:52 |
| RasCaL | understand :) | 10:52 |
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| RasCaL | anyone else maybe have a guess? | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | bimberi: ^ | 11:30 |
| highvoltage | RasCaL: does the md5sum of your burned CD, cd image, and md5sum on the website match? | 11:31 |
| bimberi | huh, what was the question? | 11:31 |
| highvoltage | bimberi: edubuntu cd doesn't work | 11:32 |
| highvoltage | RasCaL: what does it do wrong again when you boot from it? | 11:32 |
| bimberi | ah, ubotu has a factoid pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto | 11:33 |
| bimberi | (which probably says what highvoltage said :) ) | 11:34 |
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| jfc | Hi | 11:36 |
| spacey | janeW: ping | 11:42 |
| janeW | spacey: pong | 11:43 |
| spacey | did you read pygi's mail? | 11:43 |
| spacey | i wanted to postpone the meeting a little | 11:43 |
| spacey | Mario | 11:43 |
| spacey | uh | 11:43 |
| spacey | he wanted | 11:43 |
| spacey | but its ok with me personally | 11:43 |
| spacey | :P | 11:43 |
| janeW | spacey: did he send to me? | 11:44 |
| janeW | or the mailing list? | 11:44 |
| spacey | he said he mailed you | 11:44 |
| spacey | personal | 11:44 |
| janeW | I am still working through personal mail... | 11:44 |
| spacey | Mario Danic | 11:44 |
| spacey | :) | 11:44 |
| spacey | ok | 11:44 |
| janeW | but I don;t see anything from him... | 11:44 |
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| spacey | anyway he requested if the meeting could be postponed to 16:00 UTC | 11:44 |
| janeW | oops, it goot deleted in my spam-swoop. His mail looks JUST like spam! | 11:45 |
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| spacey | :D | 11:45 |
| JaneW | hrm, 18:00 is really not a good time for me | 11:46 |
| JaneW | esp after starting that day with a 4am meeting | 11:47 |
| spacey | :P | 11:47 |
| JaneW | spacey: is he planning on helping you? | 11:47 |
| spacey | yup | 11:47 |
| JaneW | great | 11:47 |
| spacey | he already helped me prepare for the meeting | 11:47 |
| JaneW | look I am happy that you can get it on track | 11:47 |
| JaneW | I think you are more realistic and organised about it | 11:48 |
| JaneW | my goal is to make sure we get *something* finished | 11:48 |
| JaneW | which will be useful | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | good morning | 11:48 |
| spacey | we put up some drafts at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu | 11:48 |
| JaneW | and my opinion is it should be aimed at users, or low-level tech ppl trying to set up a lab | 11:49 |
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| spacey | JaneW: mine too :) | 11:49 |
| JaneW | advanced users know how to find info and help | 11:49 |
| JaneW | spacey: yay, I am glad we agree | 11:49 |
| JaneW | I alsp agree about keeping it generic and putting specifics in the back | 11:49 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: wasn't that decided at the last meeting? or is it up for discusion once again? *sigh* | 11:49 |
| spacey | and for advanced topics you would only start duplicating ubuntu docs anyway | 11:49 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: es I am pretty sure it;s agreed | 11:50 |
| JaneW | spacey: so I don;t think I am crucial to the meeting | 11:50 |
| spacey | JaneW: ok | 11:50 |
| JaneW | unless you need me to volunteer for stuff? ;) | 11:50 |
| JaneW | spacey: I'd like to read the transcript after though | 11:50 |
| spacey | JaneW: well your welcome if you hav etime :) | 11:50 |
| highvoltage | cookbook cookies :) | 11:50 |
| JaneW | spacey: I think the cook book need your no-nonsense, take-charge approach | 11:51 |
| JaneW | it's what's been lacking | 11:51 |
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| spacey | :D | 11:51 |
| highvoltage | :) | 11:51 |
| spacey | JaneW: can you reply on the agenda and give some points we should know. For example the deadline stuff | 11:51 |
| JaneW | spacey: sure | 11:51 |
| spacey | then i'll postphone the meeting to 16:00 UTC | 11:52 |
| spacey | i'll sent it to list and fridge-devel | 11:52 |
| spacey | send | 11:52 |
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| spacey | highvoltage: you can make 1600UTC btw? :) | 11:53 |
| spacey | would be cool | 11:53 |
| highvoltage | spacey: yes | 11:53 |
| jfc | Excuse me, I've a problem, I think it's a bug : ltsp-server on a amd64 server generate /opt/ltsp/amd64 instead of /i386 | 11:53 |
| highvoltage | spacey: oosh, no | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | that's thursday, right? | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | i have a guitar lesson thursday evening. | 11:54 |
| RasCaL | sorry I was at the other computer | 11:54 |
| RasCaL | I just got done burning the iso I downloaded from the website | 11:54 |
| RasCaL | will let you all know soon | 11:54 |
| RasCaL | been a big mess :( | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | jfc: that's normal, the chroot that gets generates by default is the same as the one you installed, there is a way around it, i suggest you hang around a bit, ogra knows how to do that | 11:55 |
| spacey | highvoltage: ok | 11:55 |
| highvoltage | spacey: i should actually be back home just 15 min after the meeting starts, so i'll be there for the latter part | 11:56 |
| spacey | highvoltage: ok thats nice :) | 11:56 |
| JaneW | spacey: your agenda looks good | 11:57 |
| JaneW | spacey: you may want to add something about assigning roles and responsibilities | 11:58 |
| JaneW | who is doing what etc | 11:58 |
| spacey | JaneW: ok, good point | 11:58 |
| JaneW | spacey: also are we going to worry about translations (yet), or just focus on getting it done and then look at stuff like that? | 11:59 |
| spacey | JaneW: translations would be nice but I don't see how that could be ready for dapper | 12:00 |
| spacey | but its definitely a document which should be translated | 12:00 |
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| JaneW | spacey: ok let's get eng finished first and tackle translations as phase 2 | 12:01 |
| spacey | yup | 12:01 |
| spacey | i think it should have high quality | 12:01 |
| ogra | jfc, thats not a bug ... remove it (sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64) and create a i386 chroot ... (sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386) | 12:05 |
| ogra | jfc, i'd let it build a i386 chroot if i could ;) | 12:06 |
| jfc | thank's a lot | 12:06 |
| ogra | sadly there is no space for two architectures on the CD | 12:06 |
| ogra | so i have only amd64 packages available... | 12:06 |
| jfc | but in the synaptic package list i don't see any linux-image 386 ? | 12:07 |
| spacey | JaneW: what kind of roles and stuff do you recommend for the cookbook? something like, I use the whip to make sure everyone is making progress and is in time, X checks quality control, stuff like that? | 12:07 |
| JaneW | spacey: well either assign each chapter to a diff person | 12:08 |
| ogra | jfc, the --arch i386 will tell ltsp-build-client to only use i386 packages, it generates its own sources.list then | 12:08 |
| JaneW | spacey: or have one writer and one reviewer | 12:08 |
| JaneW | or a writer, editor and acceptor etc | 12:08 |
| spacey | ok, i'll think about that | 12:09 |
| JaneW | some how spread the load, and make sure if responsibility is assigned that that person has an understanding of what is expected of them | 12:09 |
| JaneW | and then regularly check that they are delievering on that | 12:09 |
| spacey | k:) | 12:10 |
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| iceman | hi all... | 02:46 |
| iceman | am running kubuntu "hoary" and would like to try a dist-upgrade to edubuntu, is it possible and how? | 02:47 |
| ogra | you are aware that edubuntu uses gnome as desktop ? | 02:48 |
| iceman | yup, dont mind that... | 02:49 |
| ogra | if you only want the desktop parts, upgrade your system to breezy and install edubuntu-desktop | 02:50 |
| ogra | the server part needs additional setup if you do it this way | 02:50 |
| ogra | (and if you even want ltsp or schooltool on your machine) | 02:51 |
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| iGotNoTime | Morning all :) | 03:10 |
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| Pygi | JaneW: around? ^_^ | 04:47 |
| JaneW | Pygi: hi, yes | 04:47 |
| Pygi | JaneW: you got my mail? | 04:47 |
| Pygi | JaneW: The one about meeting/Edubuntu cookbook? | 04:48 |
| JaneW | Pygi: yes, spacey has changed the time and posted a new message to the mailing list. | 04:48 |
| Pygi | yup, saw it ;) great then... | 04:48 |
| ogra | make sure the fridge is updated | 04:48 |
| JaneW | ogra: ah good point | 04:49 |
| ogra | else i'll miss it ;) my evolution updates its calendar dynamically from there ;) | 04:49 |
| Pygi | ogra: hehe ;) | 04:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: message sent | 04:57 |
| Pygi | JaneW: any idea on how many people are interested in the cookbook? | 05:03 |
| ogra | every edubuntu user ? | 05:03 |
| Pygi | ogra: ok, wrong question ;) in contributing to cookbook ;) | 05:04 |
| ogra | oh, a handfull have spoken up already iirc | 05:04 |
| Pygi | ah,k | 05:05 |
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| cbx33 | hi all | 07:59 |
| ogra | hi | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | hi | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | i work i na school and we just started a LUG....we going to do a podcast and are looking to interview someone at edubuntu.....:p | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | brb | 08:00 |
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| iGotNoTime | Does anyone here use SATA? | 08:15 |
| iGotNoTime | cbx33, you can interview me, but I warn you I am new here :P | 08:16 |
| Yagisan | iGotNoTime: yes | 08:16 |
| iGotNoTime | Yagisan, can you really, honestlynotice a difference in speed? | 08:16 |
| iGotNoTime | I kinda want to put my nw motherboards ports to us :) | 08:17 |
| Yagisan | iGotNoTime: none whatsoever. The disk platters are still the slowest part of the drive. | 08:17 |
| iGotNoTime | ok :) | 08:17 |
| iGotNoTime | I appreciate the honesty! | 08:17 |
| Yagisan | iGotNoTime: I have to SATA and 1 PATA drive (200GB Segate 7200RMP 8M) in a RAID 5 | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | s/to/2 | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | there was no price difference, ans no SATA optical drives at the time | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | s/ans/and | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | iGotNoTime: the one thing I like is the thiner cables. Good for airflow | 08:19 |
| iGotNoTime | It actually looks like SATA may soon be cheaper | 08:19 |
| iGotNoTime | yes true :) | 08:19 |
| Yagisan | moy box could fry an egg some days | 08:19 |
| iGotNoTime | they have been cheaper, just do't know if it is only temporary for promoting them | 08:19 |
| Yagisan | agh - I can't type at 5am | 08:19 |
| iGotNoTime | my drives have serious heat problems, I just got a couple new fans | 08:20 |
| iGotNoTime | the case is fine, but the drives do not have enough flow and burn to the touch a few days ago | 08:20 |
| Yagisan | yep. 55C for my SATA (but they are in adjacent 5/25 bays) vs 40 for the PATA. 3 fan 5/25 cooler in front of the SATA | 08:21 |
| iGotNoTime | if the new fans don't help I may actually be forced to use water (which I normally would say is a waste of money). | 08:21 |
| Yagisan | the air out the back of the case is very hot and dry | 08:21 |
| iGotNoTime | nice layout I may try something like that | 08:21 |
| Yagisan | don't forget to clean the fans and fileters every 3-6 months | 08:22 |
| iGotNoTime | wait your SATA runs more hot?! | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | they are rather close to each other | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | about a 1cm gap | 08:22 |
| iGotNoTime | ahhh, like mine :( | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | my full tower case is, well full | 08:22 |
| iGotNoTime | you sure can cook eggs on that! I know :( | 08:22 |
| iGotNoTime | I grabbed them :( | 08:23 |
| iGotNoTime | I always thought wate was like a gimmick, but I realize it may be the only option | 08:23 |
| iGotNoTime | water* | 08:23 |
| Yagisan | I've decided to move my box to a place with more airflow | 08:24 |
| Yagisan | and less direct sunlight | 08:24 |
| iGotNoTime | that's a good idea too. I have been pretty good about cleaning it out, but it seems to just not be enough lately | 08:25 |
| iGotNoTime | I have 1 optical and 7 HDD's. 4 of them are almost touching :( | 08:25 |
| Yagisan | I have 3 optical, 3 hdd | 08:25 |
| iGotNoTime | in fact they might even be touching | 08:26 |
| iGotNoTime | LOL | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | 1 optical seems to be dying from the heat, and it is the furthest from the heat! | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | it was also the newest. | 08:26 |
| iGotNoTime | works like that! Anything to throw you off :P | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | the optical next to the egg cookers, I mean the SATA drives burns great | 08:27 |
| iGotNoTime | You use SATA on opticals?? | 08:27 |
| Yagisan | no | 08:27 |
| iGotNoTime | very cool | 08:27 |
| iGotNoTime | ohhh | 08:28 |
| iGotNoTime | :D | 08:28 |
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| Yagisan | ahh the joys of rsync not working | 08:30 |
| Yagisan | spacey: you here ? | 08:30 |
| spacey | ola | 08:32 |
| Yagisan | spacey: thanks | 08:32 |
| spacey | for what | 08:32 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I think I stuffed my rsync stuff up | 08:32 |
| spacey | ok :P | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | spacey: turning up before I go to bed! | 08:33 |
| spacey | http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~yagisan/ | 08:33 |
| spacey | still empty :p | 08:33 |
| spacey | just finished dinner | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I copied a working script to the server, but it doesn't seem to work when I run it from users.lichtsnel.nl | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | spacey: any idea what I've done wrong ? | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | spacey: script is eselupdate.sh in my ~ | 08:34 |
| spacey | i think i know why | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | spacey: and port 873 is open .. | 08:34 |
| spacey | because it doesn't allow connections to the outside | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | oh | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | spacey: how should I rsync over then ? | 08:35 |
| spacey | over ssh | 08:36 |
| Yagisan | spacey: :( that didn't work either, so I closed the port. | 08:36 |
| spacey | you can simply copy it from your server to mine over ssh with rsync | 08:36 |
| spacey | only thing you cannot do is connect to the outside from my box | 08:37 |
| spacey | only port 80 is open from inside to outside | 08:37 |
| spacey | makes sense?:) | 08:42 |
| spacey | Yagisan: Seveas is quite succesful at it: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas | 08:43 |
| Yagisan | spacey: thanks. I've only played with rsync for a few hours now | 08:47 |
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| highvoltage | goodnight, #edununtu! | 08:51 |
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| Yagisan | spacey: I think I got it working now | 09:00 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 09:08 |
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| cbx33 | who heads up development of edubuntu | 10:05 |
| Bluekuja | jonathan | 10:06 |
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| Bluekuja | do u need something | 10:06 |
| cbx33 | Bluekuja, do you have an email address? | 10:06 |
| Bluekuja | to know? | 10:06 |
| Bluekuja | yeah of course | 10:06 |
| cbx33 | well, I work at a school and we just started our very own LUG | 10:07 |
| Bluekuja | oo very good | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | we're hoping to start a PODCast for beginners in linux | 10:07 |
| Bluekuja | im working with jon | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | and I thought might be nice to interview someone over at edubuntu | 10:07 |
| Bluekuja | nice | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | Bluekuja, well you might make a good choice then | 10:07 |
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| cbx33 | what d'ya thik | 10:08 |
| Bluekuja | yeah,thats a nice idea | 10:09 |
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| Ian_ | hi all | 10:17 |
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| cbx33 | hey I | 10:25 |
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