=== bimberi [n=bimberi@pdpc/supporter/active/bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === kelley_ [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.dhcp-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === zbyte64 [n=hi@cpe-66-75-238-203.san.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@76-240-90.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === MornHyland [n=julia@c-71-192-33-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:15] Hello [02:15] I am curious, if I already ubuntu installed is it is easy to add repositories for edubuntu and get just add the educational software? [02:19] MornHyland: yes [02:19] hi MornHyland, edubuntu uses the same repositories, to get the additional packages install the edubuntu-desktop metapackage [02:20] bimberi: cool, so I don't need to add a new repository [02:20] that makes it easy [02:20] I want to show the people in the math dept the great tools [02:22] My congrats goes out to the developers, it is a great distribution [02:22] I'm a convert from a long time with Mandrake, and others before that [02:28] MornHyland: yes, i was a bit of a distro-hopper myself before ubuntu came along :) [02:30] MornHyland: ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu share the same repos [02:36] Burgudavia: yeah, that is great actually [02:37] bimberi: I have been a linux user for too long [02:37] MornHyland: too long? never :) [02:37] bimberi: since 1993 [02:38] before there really were distros [02:38] I heard about it over fidonet [02:39] MornHyland: wow, well good to hear that *ubuntu is keeping the fire burning for you [02:39] I was becoming frustrated with Mandrake [02:39] and ubuntu has given me a new lease [03:05] Something I would really like to see is better notetaking/journaling software for class notes on a tablet pc [03:06] as a student [03:06] there are a few, not packaged [03:06] xournal and gournal [03:09] I almost had the wacom tablet working for a moment before a kernel upgrade broke it [03:10] Maybe this summer when I am not so bogged down with classes I will work on something === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === tranZ [n=blah@pc-63-24-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === tranZ [n=blah@pc-63-24-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu [] === gboutwell [n=George@p101n14.ruraltel.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:52] I'm looking for a home distro to install for some fun education programs for my 2 boys - 4 yrs (preschool) and 8 yrs (2nd grade but doing really well in school) [04:57] gboutwell: my son likes edubuntu :) He's a bit younger, though (3) [04:58] :) [04:58] gboutwell: as do my 2 sons (8 and 6) - although it's hard to get them out of the Games menu and into the more Educational packages :) [04:58] :) [05:01] Yeah well I have that problem now with Windows... them playing games instead of doing educational stuff. :) [05:02] of course you and i were never like that when we were that age :P [05:03] I wasn't ever good at computer games really. Only game I ever got close to winning was Carmen San Diego... Mostly cause it was just looking up in the reference [05:04] So I moved on and tried computer programming... been enjoying that ever since! [05:05] :) [05:05] Of course I didn't get into computers till I was quite a bit older than my oldest [05:06] gboutwell: oh yes, but "playing games instead of doing educational stuff" has wider applicability than just computers :) [05:08] True, True [05:13] It'll be interesting to see if they take aliking to Linux or just keep going back to Windows [05:16] Is there a list of packages included in edubuntu or comparisons with like Debian-Jr or Debian-Edu? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.101.223] has joined #edubuntu [05:24] gboutwell: there is this (although not strictly a list) - http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html [05:24] Yeah.. I looked at that. [05:26] It's pretty good. 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[09:35] exit === jeff_ [i=jeff@dialup-4.240.233.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] back... === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-178-247.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === trondm is now known as trin === trin is now known as trondm_gone [10:26] unimatrix9 do you mean for configuration? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jeff_ [i=jeff@dialup-4.240.233.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net] has left #edubuntu [] === RasCaL [n=fallengo@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:44] I am having big problems with the install :( [10:44] can anyone help? [10:44] I downloaded the 386 install ISO via torrent [10:45] burned the ISO and installed [10:45] 50% through the install it ejects the disc and reboots... [10:45] I would check the md5sum on the iso and then reburn [10:45] starts installing the packages and then says some libraries are no good [10:46] Burgundavia I am done with the disc though? [10:46] you are saying the disc could be bad? [10:46] yes [10:46] the kernal is fine it is running now [10:46] or your cdrom [10:46] no GUI [10:46] oops kernel [10:46] no gnome [10:46] I ran apt-get update [10:46] the apt-get upgrade [10:46] then* [10:47] but still no gnome [10:47] what sort of install did you do? [10:48] I pressed enter [10:48] standard? [10:48] hmm [10:48] it is active I mean the update and upgrade both got new packages and updated the database [10:48] is there any way to fix this without being forced to download from your servers? [10:49] I mean since it is half running [10:49] I won't be getting it with bit-torrent next time LOL [10:49] yes [10:49] bittorrent is not the issue [10:49] I only burned it @ 4x [10:50] that is my lowest setting [10:50] same drive that I burned my other 2 Edubuntu ISO's [10:50] they worked flawlessly [10:50] but they have been 'stolen' by my brothers :( [10:51] is the fix remote somehow using apt-get by chance? [10:51] I ask because I know that is one thing that works :) [10:52] it is probably pretty easy to fix your system, but sadly I am really busy right now :( [10:52] understand :) === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@pdpc/supporter/active/bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [11:28] anyone else maybe have a guess? [11:30] bimberi: ^ [11:31] RasCaL: does the md5sum of your burned CD, cd image, and md5sum on the website match? [11:31] huh, what was the question? [11:32] bimberi: edubuntu cd doesn't work [11:32] RasCaL: what does it do wrong again when you boot from it? [11:33] ah, ubotu has a factoid pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto [11:34] (which probably says what highvoltage said :) ) === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jfc [n=jfc@i3se011a.univ-brest.fr] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] Hi [11:42] janeW: ping [11:43] spacey: pong [11:43] did you read pygi's mail? [11:43] i wanted to postpone the meeting a little [11:43] Mario [11:43] uh [11:43] he wanted [11:43] but its ok with me personally [11:43] :P [11:44] spacey: did he send to me? [11:44] or the mailing list? [11:44] he said he mailed you [11:44] personal [11:44] I am still working through personal mail... [11:44] Mario Danic [11:44] :) [11:44] ok [11:44] but I don;t see anything from him... === janeW checks again... [11:44] anyway he requested if the meeting could be postponed to 16:00 UTC [11:45] oops, it goot deleted in my spam-swoop. His mail looks JUST like spam! === janeW reads it [11:45] :D [11:46] hrm, 18:00 is really not a good time for me [11:47] esp after starting that day with a 4am meeting [11:47] :P [11:47] spacey: is he planning on helping you? [11:47] yup [11:47] great [11:47] he already helped me prepare for the meeting [11:47] look I am happy that you can get it on track [11:48] I think you are more realistic and organised about it [11:48] my goal is to make sure we get *something* finished [11:48] which will be useful [11:48] good morning [11:48] we put up some drafts at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu [11:49] and my opinion is it should be aimed at users, or low-level tech ppl trying to set up a lab === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [11:49] JaneW: mine too :) [11:49] advanced users know how to find info and help [11:49] spacey: yay, I am glad we agree [11:49] I alsp agree about keeping it generic and putting specifics in the back [11:49] JaneW: wasn't that decided at the last meeting? or is it up for discusion once again? *sigh* [11:49] and for advanced topics you would only start duplicating ubuntu docs anyway [11:50] highvoltage: es I am pretty sure it;s agreed [11:50] spacey: so I don;t think I am crucial to the meeting [11:50] JaneW: ok [11:50] unless you need me to volunteer for stuff? ;) [11:50] spacey: I'd like to read the transcript after though [11:50] JaneW: well your welcome if you hav etime :) [11:50] cookbook cookies :) [11:51] spacey: I think the cook book need your no-nonsense, take-charge approach [11:51] it's what's been lacking === JaneW hands spacey 'TheWhip'(TM) [11:51] :D [11:51] :) [11:51] JaneW: can you reply on the agenda and give some points we should know. For example the deadline stuff [11:51] spacey: sure [11:52] then i'll postphone the meeting to 16:00 UTC [11:52] i'll sent it to list and fridge-devel [11:52] send === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.101.223] has joined #edubuntu [11:53] highvoltage: you can make 1600UTC btw? :) [11:53] would be cool [11:53] spacey: yes [11:53] Excuse me, I've a problem, I think it's a bug : ltsp-server on a amd64 server generate /opt/ltsp/amd64 instead of /i386 [11:54] spacey: oosh, no [11:54] that's thursday, right? [11:54] i have a guitar lesson thursday evening. [11:54] sorry I was at the other computer [11:54] I just got done burning the iso I downloaded from the website [11:54] will let you all know soon [11:54] been a big mess :( [11:55] jfc: that's normal, the chroot that gets generates by default is the same as the one you installed, there is a way around it, i suggest you hang around a bit, ogra knows how to do that [11:55] highvoltage: ok [11:56] spacey: i should actually be back home just 15 min after the meeting starts, so i'll be there for the latter part [11:56] highvoltage: ok thats nice :) [11:57] spacey: your agenda looks good [11:58] spacey: you may want to add something about assigning roles and responsibilities [11:58] who is doing what etc [11:58] JaneW: ok, good point [11:59] spacey: also are we going to worry about translations (yet), or just focus on getting it done and then look at stuff like that? [12:00] JaneW: translations would be nice but I don't see how that could be ready for dapper [12:00] but its definitely a document which should be translated === RasCaL [n=fallengo@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] [12:01] spacey: ok let's get eng finished first and tackle translations as phase 2 [12:01] yup [12:01] i think it should have high quality [12:05] jfc, thats not a bug ... remove it (sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64) and create a i386 chroot ... (sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386) [12:06] jfc, i'd let it build a i386 chroot if i could ;) [12:06] thank's a lot [12:06] sadly there is no space for two architectures on the CD [12:06] so i have only amd64 packages available... [12:07] but in the synaptic package list i don't see any linux-image 386 ? [12:07] JaneW: what kind of roles and stuff do you recommend for the cookbook? something like, I use the whip to make sure everyone is making progress and is in time, X checks quality control, stuff like that? [12:08] spacey: well either assign each chapter to a diff person [12:08] jfc, the --arch i386 will tell ltsp-build-client to only use i386 packages, it generates its own sources.list then [12:08] spacey: or have one writer and one reviewer [12:08] or a writer, editor and acceptor etc [12:09] ok, i'll think about that [12:09] some how spread the load, and make sure if responsibility is assigned that that person has an understanding of what is expected of them [12:09] and then regularly check that they are delievering on that [12:10] k:) === highvoltage pests toxictoads a bit more for wallpaper === Vego [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === R [n=McFadden@212.55.50.58] has joined #edubuntu === R [n=McFadden@212.55.50.58] has left #edubuntu [] === MornHyland [n=julia@c-71-192-33-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === iceman [n=sam@196.2.95.177] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] hi all... [02:47] am running kubuntu "hoary" and would like to try a dist-upgrade to edubuntu, is it possible and how? [02:48] you are aware that edubuntu uses gnome as desktop ? [02:49] yup, dont mind that... [02:50] if you only want the desktop parts, upgrade your system to breezy and install edubuntu-desktop [02:50] the server part needs additional setup if you do it this way [02:51] (and if you even want ltsp or schooltool on your machine) === iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] Morning all :) === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-246-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] JaneW: around? ^_^ [04:47] Pygi: hi, yes [04:47] JaneW: you got my mail? [04:48] JaneW: The one about meeting/Edubuntu cookbook? [04:48] Pygi: yes, spacey has changed the time and posted a new message to the mailing list. [04:48] yup, saw it ;) great then... [04:48] make sure the fridge is updated [04:49] ogra: ah good point [04:49] else i'll miss it ;) my evolution updates its calendar dynamically from there ;) [04:50] ogra: hehe ;) [04:57] ogra: message sent [05:03] JaneW: any idea on how many people are interested in the cookbook? [05:03] every edubuntu user ? [05:04] ogra: ok, wrong question ;) in contributing to cookbook ;) [05:04] oh, a handfull have spoken up already iirc [05:05] ah,k === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@unaffiliated/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@unaffiliated/gnomefreak] has left #edubuntu [] === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:59] hi all [07:59] hi [07:59] hi [08:00] i work i na school and we just started a LUG....we going to do a podcast and are looking to interview someone at edubuntu.....:p [08:00] brb === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:15] Does anyone here use SATA? [08:16] cbx33, you can interview me, but I warn you I am new here :P [08:16] iGotNoTime: yes [08:16] Yagisan, can you really, honestlynotice a difference in speed? [08:17] I kinda want to put my nw motherboards ports to us :) [08:17] iGotNoTime: none whatsoever. The disk platters are still the slowest part of the drive. [08:17] ok :) [08:17] I appreciate the honesty! [08:18] iGotNoTime: I have to SATA and 1 PATA drive (200GB Segate 7200RMP 8M) in a RAID 5 [08:18] s/to/2 [08:18] there was no price difference, ans no SATA optical drives at the time [08:18] s/ans/and [08:19] iGotNoTime: the one thing I like is the thiner cables. Good for airflow [08:19] It actually looks like SATA may soon be cheaper [08:19] yes true :) [08:19] moy box could fry an egg some days [08:19] they have been cheaper, just do't know if it is only temporary for promoting them [08:19] agh - I can't type at 5am [08:20] my drives have serious heat problems, I just got a couple new fans [08:20] the case is fine, but the drives do not have enough flow and burn to the touch a few days ago [08:21] yep. 55C for my SATA (but they are in adjacent 5/25 bays) vs 40 for the PATA. 3 fan 5/25 cooler in front of the SATA [08:21] if the new fans don't help I may actually be forced to use water (which I normally would say is a waste of money). [08:21] the air out the back of the case is very hot and dry [08:21] nice layout I may try something like that [08:22] don't forget to clean the fans and fileters every 3-6 months [08:22] wait your SATA runs more hot?! [08:22] they are rather close to each other [08:22] about a 1cm gap [08:22] ahhh, like mine :( [08:22] my full tower case is, well full [08:22] you sure can cook eggs on that! I know :( [08:23] I grabbed them :( [08:23] I always thought wate was like a gimmick, but I realize it may be the only option [08:23] water* [08:24] I've decided to move my box to a place with more airflow [08:24] and less direct sunlight [08:25] that's a good idea too. I have been pretty good about cleaning it out, but it seems to just not be enough lately [08:25] I have 1 optical and 7 HDD's. 4 of them are almost touching :( [08:25] I have 3 optical, 3 hdd [08:26] in fact they might even be touching [08:26] LOL [08:26] 1 optical seems to be dying from the heat, and it is the furthest from the heat! [08:26] it was also the newest. [08:26] works like that! Anything to throw you off :P [08:27] the optical next to the egg cookers, I mean the SATA drives burns great [08:27] You use SATA on opticals?? [08:27] no [08:27] very cool [08:28] ohhh [08:28] :D === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:30] ahh the joys of rsync not working [08:30] spacey: you here ? [08:32] ola [08:32] spacey: thanks [08:32] for what [08:32] spacey: I think I stuffed my rsync stuff up [08:33] ok :P [08:33] spacey: turning up before I go to bed! [08:33] http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~yagisan/ [08:33] still empty :p [08:33] just finished dinner [08:33] spacey: I copied a working script to the server, but it doesn't seem to work when I run it from users.lichtsnel.nl [08:34] spacey: any idea what I've done wrong ? [08:34] spacey: script is eselupdate.sh in my ~ [08:34] i think i know why [08:34] spacey: and port 873 is open .. [08:34] because it doesn't allow connections to the outside [08:35] oh [08:35] spacey: how should I rsync over then ? [08:36] over ssh [08:36] spacey: :( that didn't work either, so I closed the port. [08:36] you can simply copy it from your server to mine over ssh with rsync [08:37] only thing you cannot do is connect to the outside from my box [08:37] only port 80 is open from inside to outside [08:42] makes sense?:) [08:43] Yagisan: Seveas is quite succesful at it: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas [08:47] spacey: thanks. I've only played with rsync for a few hours now === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] goodnight, #edununtu! === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #edubuntu [] [09:00] spacey: I think I got it working now === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:08] night all === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@pdpc/supporter/active/bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === zbyte64 [n=hi@cpe-66-75-238-203.san.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:05] who heads up development of edubuntu [10:06] jonathan === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F905.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] do u need something [10:06] Bluekuja, do you have an email address? [10:06] to know? [10:06] yeah of course [10:07] well, I work at a school and we just started our very own LUG [10:07] oo very good [10:07] we're hoping to start a PODCast for beginners in linux [10:07] im working with jon [10:07] and I thought might be nice to interview someone over at edubuntu [10:07] nice [10:07] Bluekuja, well you might make a good choice then === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] what d'ya thik [10:09] yeah,thats a nice idea === Ian_ [n=IanHadaw@cpc1-sout1-0-0-cust45.sot3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:17] hi all === Ian_ [n=IanHadaw@cpc1-sout1-0-0-cust45.sot3.cable.ntl.com] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [10:25] hey I === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-242-194.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host235-236.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === coolio_za [n=hilton@wbs-196-2-110-150.wbs.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === coolio_za [n=hilton@wbs-196-2-110-150.wbs.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === bob_ [n=bob@host-87-75-129-152.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@pdpc/supporter/active/bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:03] /msg NickServ IDENTIFY