[02:15] <MornHyland> Hello
[02:15] <MornHyland> I am curious, if I already ubuntu installed is it is easy to add repositories for edubuntu and get just add the educational software?
[02:19] <Burgundavia> MornHyland: yes
[02:19] <bimberi> hi MornHyland, edubuntu uses the same repositories, to get the additional packages install the edubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:20] <MornHyland> bimberi: cool, so I don't need to add a new repository
[02:20] <MornHyland> that makes it easy
[02:20] <MornHyland> I want to show the people in the math dept the great tools
[02:22] <MornHyland> My congrats goes out to the developers, it is a great distribution
[02:22] <MornHyland> I'm a convert from a long time with Mandrake, and others before that
[02:28] <bimberi> MornHyland: yes, i was a bit of a distro-hopper myself before ubuntu came along :)
[02:30] <Burgundavia> MornHyland: ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu share the same repos
[02:36] <MornHyland> Burgudavia: yeah, that is great actually
[02:37] <MornHyland> bimberi: I have been a linux user for too long
[02:37] <bimberi> MornHyland: too long?  never :)
[02:37] <MornHyland> bimberi: since 1993
[02:38] <MornHyland> before there really were distros
[02:38] <MornHyland> I heard about it over fidonet
[02:39] <bimberi> MornHyland: wow, well good to hear that *ubuntu is keeping the fire burning for you
[02:39] <MornHyland> I was becoming frustrated with Mandrake
[02:39] <MornHyland> and ubuntu has given me a new lease
[03:05] <MornHyland> Something I would really like to see is better notetaking/journaling software for class notes on a tablet pc
[03:06] <MornHyland> as a student
[03:06] <Burgundavia> there are a few, not packaged
[03:06] <Burgundavia> xournal and gournal
[03:09] <MornHyland> I almost had the wacom tablet working for a moment before a kernel upgrade broke it
[03:10] <MornHyland> Maybe this summer when I am not so bogged down with classes I will work on something
[04:52] <gboutwell> I'm looking for a home distro to install for some fun education programs for my 2 boys - 4 yrs (preschool) and 8 yrs (2nd grade but doing really well in school)
[04:57] <HedgeMage> gboutwell: my son likes edubuntu :)  He's a bit younger, though (3)
[04:58] <gboutwell> :)
[04:58] <bimberi> gboutwell: as do my 2 sons (8 and 6)  -  although it's hard to get them out of the Games menu and into the more Educational packages :)
[04:58] <gboutwell> :)
[05:01] <gboutwell> Yeah well I have that problem now with Windows... them playing games instead of doing educational stuff. :)
[05:02] <bimberi> of course you and i were never like that when we were that age :P
[05:03] <gboutwell> I wasn't ever good at computer games really.  Only game I ever got close to winning was Carmen San Diego... Mostly cause it was just looking up in the reference
[05:04] <gboutwell> So I moved on and tried computer programming... been enjoying that ever since!
[05:05] <bimberi> :)
[05:05] <gboutwell> Of course I didn't get into computers till I was quite a bit older than my oldest
[05:06] <bimberi> gboutwell: oh yes, but "playing games instead of doing educational stuff" has wider applicability than just computers :)
[05:08] <gboutwell> True, True
[05:13] <gboutwell> It'll be interesting to see if they take aliking to Linux or just keep going back to Windows
[05:16] <gboutwell> Is there a list of packages included in edubuntu or comparisons with like Debian-Jr or Debian-Edu?
[05:24] <bimberi> gboutwell: there is this (although not strictly a list) - http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html
[05:24] <gboutwell> Yeah.. I looked at that.
[05:26] <gboutwell> It's pretty good.  I especially liked the GCompris section
[09:34] <root> it seems I've managed to get here...is anything exciting going on at the moment?
[09:35] <root> ooops be back in sec...
[09:35] <root> exit
[09:36] <jeff_> back...
[10:26] <jeff_> unimatrix9 do you mean for configuration?
[10:44] <RasCaL> I am having big problems with the install :(
[10:44] <RasCaL> can anyone help?
[10:44] <RasCaL> I downloaded the 386 install ISO via torrent
[10:45] <RasCaL> burned the ISO and installed
[10:45] <RasCaL> 50% through the install it ejects the disc and reboots...
[10:45] <Burgundavia> I would check the md5sum on the iso and then reburn
[10:45] <RasCaL> starts installing the packages and then says some libraries are no good
[10:46] <RasCaL> Burgundavia I am done with the disc though?
[10:46] <RasCaL> you are saying the disc could be bad?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:46] <RasCaL> the kernal is fine it is running now
[10:46] <Burgundavia> or your cdrom
[10:46] <RasCaL> no GUI
[10:46] <RasCaL> oops kernel
[10:46] <RasCaL> no gnome
[10:46] <RasCaL> I ran apt-get update
[10:46] <RasCaL> the apt-get upgrade
[10:46] <RasCaL> then*
[10:47] <RasCaL> but still no gnome
[10:47] <Burgundavia> what sort of install did you do?
[10:48] <RasCaL> I pressed enter
[10:48] <RasCaL> standard?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:48] <RasCaL> it is active I mean the update and upgrade both got new packages and updated the database
[10:48] <RasCaL> is there any way to fix this without being forced to download from your servers?
[10:49] <RasCaL> I mean since it is half running
[10:49] <RasCaL> I won't be getting it with bit-torrent next time LOL
[10:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:49] <Burgundavia> bittorrent is not the issue
[10:49] <RasCaL> I only burned it @ 4x
[10:50] <RasCaL> that is my lowest setting
[10:50] <RasCaL> same drive that I burned my other 2 Edubuntu ISO's
[10:50] <RasCaL> they worked flawlessly
[10:50] <RasCaL> but they have been 'stolen' by my brothers :(
[10:51] <RasCaL> is the fix remote somehow using apt-get by chance?
[10:51] <RasCaL> I ask because I know that is one thing that works :)
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it is probably pretty easy to fix your system, but sadly I am really busy right now :(
[10:52] <RasCaL> understand :)
[11:28] <RasCaL> anyone else maybe have a guess?
[11:30] <Burgundavia> bimberi: ^
[11:31] <highvoltage> RasCaL: does the md5sum of your burned CD, cd image, and md5sum on the website match?
[11:31] <bimberi> huh, what was the question?
[11:32] <highvoltage> bimberi: edubuntu cd doesn't work
[11:32] <highvoltage> RasCaL: what does it do wrong again when you boot from it?
[11:33] <bimberi> ah, ubotu has a factoid pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[11:34] <bimberi> (which probably says what highvoltage said :) )
[11:36] <jfc> Hi
[11:42] <spacey> janeW: ping
[11:43] <janeW> spacey: pong
[11:43] <spacey> did you read pygi's mail?
[11:43] <spacey> i wanted to postpone the meeting a little
[11:43] <spacey> Mario
[11:43] <spacey> uh
[11:43] <spacey> he wanted
[11:43] <spacey> but its ok with me personally
[11:43] <spacey> :P
[11:44] <janeW> spacey: did he send to me?
[11:44] <janeW> or the mailing list?
[11:44] <spacey> he said he mailed you
[11:44] <spacey> personal
[11:44] <janeW> I am still working through personal mail...
[11:44] <spacey> Mario Danic 
[11:44] <spacey> :)
[11:44] <spacey> ok
[11:44] <janeW> but I don;t see anything from him...
[11:44] <spacey> anyway he requested if the meeting could be postponed to 16:00 UTC
[11:45] <janeW> oops, it goot deleted in my spam-swoop. His mail looks JUST like spam!
[11:45] <spacey> :D
[11:46] <JaneW> hrm, 18:00 is really not a good time for me
[11:47] <JaneW> esp after starting that day with a 4am meeting
[11:47] <spacey> :P
[11:47] <JaneW> spacey: is he planning on helping you?
[11:47] <spacey> yup
[11:47] <JaneW> great
[11:47] <spacey> he already helped me prepare for the meeting
[11:47] <JaneW> look I am happy that you can get it on track
[11:48] <JaneW> I think you are more realistic and organised about it
[11:48] <JaneW> my goal is to make sure we get *something* finished
[11:48] <JaneW> which will be useful
[11:48] <highvoltage> good morning
[11:48] <spacey> we put up some drafts at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu
[11:49] <JaneW> and my opinion is it should be aimed at users, or low-level tech ppl trying to set up a lab
[11:49] <spacey> JaneW: mine too :)
[11:49] <JaneW> advanced users know how to find info and help
[11:49] <JaneW> spacey: yay, I am glad we agree
[11:49] <JaneW> I alsp agree about keeping it generic and putting specifics in the back
[11:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: wasn't that decided at the last meeting? or is it up for discusion once again? *sigh*
[11:49] <spacey> and for advanced topics you would only start duplicating ubuntu docs anyway
[11:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: es I am pretty sure it;s agreed
[11:50] <JaneW> spacey: so I don;t think I am crucial to the meeting
[11:50] <spacey> JaneW: ok
[11:50] <JaneW> unless you need me to volunteer for stuff? ;)
[11:50] <JaneW> spacey: I'd like to read the transcript after though
[11:50] <spacey> JaneW: well your welcome if you hav etime :)
[11:50] <highvoltage> cookbook cookies :)
[11:51] <JaneW> spacey: I think the cook book need your no-nonsense, take-charge approach
[11:51] <JaneW> it's what's been lacking
[11:51] <spacey> :D
[11:51] <highvoltage> :)
[11:51] <spacey> JaneW: can you reply on the agenda and give some points we should know. For example the deadline stuff
[11:51] <JaneW> spacey: sure
[11:52] <spacey> then i'll postphone the meeting to 16:00 UTC
[11:52] <spacey> i'll sent it to list and fridge-devel
[11:52] <spacey> send
[11:53] <spacey> highvoltage: you can make 1600UTC btw? :) 
[11:53] <spacey> would be cool
[11:53] <highvoltage> spacey: yes
[11:53] <jfc> Excuse me, I've a problem, I think it's a bug : ltsp-server on a amd64 server generate /opt/ltsp/amd64 instead of /i386
[11:54] <highvoltage> spacey: oosh, no
[11:54] <highvoltage> that's thursday, right?
[11:54] <highvoltage> i have a guitar lesson thursday evening.
[11:54] <RasCaL> sorry I was at the other computer
[11:54] <RasCaL> I just got done burning the iso I downloaded from the website
[11:54] <RasCaL> will let you all know soon
[11:54] <RasCaL> been a big mess :(
[11:55] <highvoltage> jfc: that's normal, the chroot that gets generates by default is the same as the one you installed, there is a way around it, i suggest you hang around a bit, ogra knows how to do that
[11:55] <spacey> highvoltage: ok
[11:56] <highvoltage> spacey: i should actually be back home just 15 min after the meeting starts, so i'll be there for the latter part
[11:56] <spacey> highvoltage: ok thats nice :)
[11:57] <JaneW> spacey: your agenda looks good
[11:58] <JaneW> spacey: you may want to add something about assigning roles and responsibilities
[11:58] <JaneW> who is doing what etc
[11:58] <spacey> JaneW: ok, good point
[11:59] <JaneW> spacey: also are we going to worry about translations (yet), or just focus on getting it done and then look at stuff like that?
[12:00] <spacey> JaneW: translations would be nice but I don't see how that could be ready for dapper 
[12:00] <spacey> but its definitely a document which should be translated
[12:01] <JaneW> spacey: ok let's get eng finished first and tackle translations as phase 2
[12:01] <spacey> yup
[12:01] <spacey> i think it should have high quality
[12:05] <ogra> jfc, thats not a bug ... remove it (sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64) and create a i386 chroot ... (sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386)
[12:06] <ogra> jfc, i'd let it build a i386 chroot if i could ;) 
[12:06] <jfc> thank's a lot
[12:06] <ogra> sadly there is no space for two architectures on the CD 
[12:06] <ogra> so i have only amd64 packages available...
[12:07] <jfc> but in the synaptic package list i don't see any linux-image 386 ?
[12:07] <spacey> JaneW: what kind of roles and stuff do you recommend for the cookbook? something like, I use the whip to make sure everyone is making progress and is in time, X checks quality control, stuff like that?
[12:08] <JaneW> spacey: well either assign each chapter to a diff person
[12:08] <ogra> jfc, the --arch i386 will tell ltsp-build-client to only use i386 packages, it generates its own sources.list then
[12:08] <JaneW> spacey: or have one writer and one reviewer
[12:08] <JaneW> or a writer, editor and acceptor etc
[12:09] <spacey> ok, i'll think about that
[12:09] <JaneW> some how spread the load, and make sure if responsibility is assigned that that person has an understanding of what is expected of them
[12:09] <JaneW> and then regularly check that they are delievering on that
[12:10] <spacey> k:)
[02:46] <iceman> hi all...
[02:47] <iceman> am running kubuntu "hoary" and would like to try a dist-upgrade to edubuntu, is it possible and how?
[02:48] <ogra> you are aware that edubuntu uses gnome as desktop ?
[02:49] <iceman> yup, dont mind that...
[02:50] <ogra> if you only want the desktop parts, upgrade your system to breezy and install edubuntu-desktop 
[02:50] <ogra> the server part needs additional setup if you do it this way
[02:51] <ogra> (and if you even want ltsp or schooltool on your machine)
[03:10] <iGotNoTime> Morning all :)
[04:47] <Pygi> JaneW: around? ^_^
[04:47] <JaneW> Pygi: hi, yes
[04:47] <Pygi> JaneW: you got my mail?
[04:48] <Pygi> JaneW: The one about meeting/Edubuntu cookbook?
[04:48] <JaneW> Pygi: yes, spacey has changed the time and posted a new message to the mailing list.
[04:48] <Pygi> yup, saw it ;) great then...
[04:48] <ogra> make sure the fridge is updated 
[04:49] <JaneW> ogra: ah good point
[04:49] <ogra> else i'll miss it ;) my evolution updates its calendar dynamically from there ;)
[04:50] <Pygi> ogra: hehe ;)
[04:57] <JaneW> ogra: message sent
[05:03] <Pygi> JaneW: any idea on how many people are interested in the cookbook?
[05:03] <ogra> every edubuntu user ? 
[05:04] <Pygi> ogra: ok, wrong question ;) in contributing to cookbook ;)
[05:04] <ogra> oh, a handfull have spoken up already iirc
[05:05] <Pygi> ah,k
[07:59] <cbx33> hi all
[07:59] <ogra> hi
[07:59] <LaserJock> hi
[08:00] <cbx33> i work i na school and we just started a LUG....we going to do a podcast and are looking to interview someone at edubuntu.....:p
[08:00] <cbx33> brb
[08:15] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone here use SATA?
[08:16] <iGotNoTime> cbx33, you can interview me, but I warn you I am new here :P
[08:16] <Yagisan> iGotNoTime: yes
[08:16] <iGotNoTime> Yagisan, can you really, honestlynotice a difference in speed?
[08:17] <iGotNoTime> I kinda want to put my nw motherboards ports to us :)
[08:17] <Yagisan> iGotNoTime: none whatsoever. The disk platters are still the slowest part of the drive.
[08:17] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[08:17] <iGotNoTime> I appreciate the honesty!
[08:18] <Yagisan> iGotNoTime: I have to SATA and 1 PATA drive (200GB Segate 7200RMP 8M) in a RAID 5
[08:18] <Yagisan> s/to/2
[08:18] <Yagisan> there was no price difference, ans no SATA optical drives at the time
[08:18] <Yagisan> s/ans/and
[08:19] <Yagisan> iGotNoTime: the one thing I like is the thiner cables. Good for airflow
[08:19] <iGotNoTime> It actually looks like SATA may soon be cheaper
[08:19] <iGotNoTime> yes true :)
[08:19] <Yagisan> moy box could fry an egg some days
[08:19] <iGotNoTime> they have been cheaper, just do't know if it is only temporary for promoting them
[08:19] <Yagisan> agh - I can't type at 5am
[08:20] <iGotNoTime> my drives have serious heat problems, I just got a couple new fans
[08:20] <iGotNoTime> the case is fine, but the drives do not have enough flow and burn to the touch a few days ago
[08:21] <Yagisan> yep. 55C for my SATA (but they are in adjacent 5/25 bays) vs 40 for the PATA. 3 fan 5/25 cooler in front of the SATA
[08:21] <iGotNoTime> if the new fans don't help I may actually be forced to use water (which I normally would say is a waste of money).
[08:21] <Yagisan> the air out the back of the case is very hot and dry
[08:21] <iGotNoTime> nice layout I may try something like that
[08:22] <Yagisan> don't forget to clean the fans and fileters every 3-6 months
[08:22] <iGotNoTime> wait your SATA runs more hot?!
[08:22] <Yagisan> they are rather close to each other
[08:22] <Yagisan> about a 1cm gap
[08:22] <iGotNoTime> ahhh, like mine :(
[08:22] <Yagisan> my full tower case is, well full
[08:22] <iGotNoTime> you sure can cook eggs on that! I know :(
[08:23] <iGotNoTime> I grabbed them :(
[08:23] <iGotNoTime> I always thought wate was like a gimmick, but I realize it may be the only option
[08:23] <iGotNoTime> water*
[08:24] <Yagisan> I've decided to move  my box to a place with more airflow
[08:24] <Yagisan> and less direct sunlight
[08:25] <iGotNoTime> that's a good idea too. I have been pretty good about cleaning it out, but it seems to just not be enough lately
[08:25] <iGotNoTime> I have 1 optical and 7 HDD's. 4 of them are almost touching :(
[08:25] <Yagisan> I have 3 optical, 3 hdd
[08:26] <iGotNoTime> in fact they might even be touching
[08:26] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[08:26] <Yagisan> 1 optical seems to be dying from the heat, and it is the furthest from the heat!
[08:26] <Yagisan> it was also the newest.
[08:26] <iGotNoTime> works like that! Anything to throw you off :P
[08:27] <Yagisan> the optical next to the egg cookers, I mean the SATA drives burns great
[08:27] <iGotNoTime> You use SATA on opticals??
[08:27] <Yagisan> no
[08:27] <iGotNoTime> very cool
[08:28] <iGotNoTime> ohhh 
[08:28] <iGotNoTime>  :D
[08:30] <Yagisan> ahh the joys of rsync not working
[08:30] <Yagisan> spacey: you here ?
[08:32] <spacey> ola
[08:32] <Yagisan> spacey: thanks
[08:32] <spacey> for what
[08:32] <Yagisan> spacey: I think I stuffed my rsync stuff up
[08:33] <spacey> ok :P
[08:33] <Yagisan> spacey: turning up before I go to bed!
[08:33] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~yagisan/
[08:33] <spacey> still empty :p
[08:33] <spacey> just finished dinner
[08:33] <Yagisan> spacey: I copied a working script to the server, but it doesn't seem to work when I run it from users.lichtsnel.nl
[08:34] <Yagisan> spacey: any idea what I've done wrong ?
[08:34] <Yagisan> spacey: script is eselupdate.sh in my ~
[08:34] <spacey> i think i know why
[08:34] <Yagisan> spacey: and port 873 is open ..
[08:34] <spacey> because it doesn't allow connections to the outside
[08:35] <Yagisan> oh
[08:35] <Yagisan> spacey: how should I rsync over then ?
[08:36] <spacey> over ssh
[08:36] <Yagisan> spacey: :( that didn't work either, so I closed the port.
[08:36] <spacey> you can simply copy it from your server to mine over ssh with rsync
[08:37] <spacey> only thing you cannot do is connect to the outside from my box
[08:37] <spacey> only port 80 is open from inside to outside
[08:42] <spacey> makes sense?:)
[08:43] <spacey> Yagisan: Seveas is quite succesful at it: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas
[08:47] <Yagisan> spacey: thanks. I've only played with rsync for a few hours now
[08:51] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edununtu!
[09:00] <Yagisan> spacey: I think I got it working now
[09:08] <Yagisan> night all
[10:05] <cbx33> who heads up development of edubuntu
[10:06] <Bluekuja> jonathan
[10:06] <Bluekuja> do u need something
[10:06] <cbx33> Bluekuja, do you have an email address?
[10:06] <Bluekuja> to know?
[10:06] <Bluekuja> yeah of course
[10:07] <cbx33> well, I work at a school and we just started our very own LUG
[10:07] <Bluekuja> oo very good
[10:07] <cbx33> we're hoping to start a PODCast for beginners in linux
[10:07] <Bluekuja> im working with jon
[10:07] <cbx33> and I thought might be nice to interview someone over at edubuntu
[10:07] <Bluekuja> nice
[10:07] <cbx33> Bluekuja, well you might make a good choice then
[10:08] <cbx33> what d'ya thik
[10:09] <Bluekuja> yeah,thats a nice idea
[10:17] <Ian_> hi all
[10:25] <cbx33> hey I
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