raphink | there's something weird btw apachelogger | 12:03 |
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raphink | I don't see kblogger on ppc | 12:03 |
raphink | ah! it was renamed | 12:05 |
raphink | hehe | 12:05 |
raphink | apachelogger: did you request a UVFe ? | 12:05 |
Riddell | danimo: we can try, find someone to package it and ask for UVF exception | 12:05 |
apachelogger | raphink: not yet | 12:05 |
raphink | ok | 12:06 |
raphink | please do | 12:06 |
apachelogger | raphink: Tonio_ though I should just file a bug instead of mail the list | 12:06 |
raphink | file a bugt | 12:06 |
apachelogger | therefore a diffstat would be usefull ;-) | 12:06 |
raphink | attach the diffstat | 12:06 |
raphink | and the changelog | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: file a bug, assign it to the good launchpad group | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | that will mail the list automatically | 12:06 |
raphink | explain why it should be added | 12:06 |
raphink | and assign the bug to motu-uvf | 12:06 |
raphink | Tonio_: :p | 12:06 |
apachelogger | ah | 12:07 |
apachelogger | got it :D | 12:07 |
apachelogger | though the diffstat is kinda useless | 12:07 |
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raphink | hehe :) | 12:07 |
=== raphink is building kdelibs with the pach for lisa | ||
=== Lure will wait for results, even though he is half sleeping... ;) | ||
raphink | crossing fingers hoping it will work this time | 12:07 |
=== raphink is building kblogger on tiber | ||
apachelogger | hooray :) | 12:10 |
Lure | raphink: there is new powersave - can you build for ppc? | 12:10 |
Tonio_ | Lure: plugin works :) | 12:10 |
raphink | Lure: sure | 12:10 |
raphink | if you have the source | 12:10 |
Lure | Tonio_: nice, now I deserve some sleep ;-) | 12:10 |
raphink | and when I'm done with my bugfix | 12:10 |
Tonio_ | Lure: hehe | 12:10 |
Tonio_ | Lure: I have learned something today, thanks :) | 12:10 |
Lure | raphink: source is in Tonio_'s repo | 12:11 |
raphink | ok | 12:11 |
Lure | i386 packages too | 12:11 |
raphink | then ;) | 12:11 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: kmplayer now working fine, do you want me to create default config for kmplayer plugin in k-d-s ? | 12:11 |
Tonio_ | raphink: wait a bit, changelog polishing needed :) | 12:11 |
raphink | ok | 12:11 |
raphink | I'll wait | 12:11 |
raphink | np | 12:11 |
Lure | ok, good night everybody | 12:12 |
raphink | night Lure | 12:13 |
Riddell | Tonio_: what does the default config go? | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | Lure: nite and thanks :) | 12:13 |
Riddell | s/go/do/ | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: make usage of xine by default | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | and make kmplayer prior to kaffeine | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | that needs tobe done in k-d-s | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | no way to set it somewhere else | 12:14 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: by default the latest installed is prior, which isn't very convenient | 12:14 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I can force file association in k-d-s | 12:15 |
raphink | apachelogger: when/if the UVFe is approved, I'm ok with this package | 12:15 |
Tonio_ | but kmplayer is way better than kaffeine on the embedded part........ uncomparable | 12:15 |
apachelogger | raphink: well, what todo with the diffstat? | 12:16 |
apachelogger | attach as is? | 12:16 |
raphink | apachelogger: is the debdiff really huge? | 12:16 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: yes | 12:16 |
raphink | I'd say yes apachelogger | 12:16 |
apachelogger | nope | 12:16 |
apachelogger | second | 12:16 |
raphink | and I'd really enjoy it if upstream devs would provide the image sources too :) | 12:16 |
raphink | and build the images into pngs in the Makefiles | 12:17 |
raphink | :) | 12:17 |
apachelogger | debidff is 310kb | 12:17 |
raphink | so we have _real_ opensource | 12:17 |
raphink | yes that's too huge apachelogger | 12:17 |
Tonio_ | we need so many main inclusion.......... pfiuuuuuuu | 12:17 |
raphink | is the changelog verboses enough ? | 12:17 |
apachelogger | ok :) | 12:17 |
apachelogger | raphink: not really, though the changes are mainly just redesigned / imported stuff | 12:17 |
raphink | ok | 12:18 |
raphink | let's see | 12:18 |
Riddell | Tonio_: I wonder if making it use xine should be done in the package, since xine is in main and mplayer is in multiverse | 12:18 |
raphink | well i'll have a look at it later | 12:18 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: that is done in the package | 12:18 |
raphink | Tonio_: ping me when powersave is ready to build | 12:18 |
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Tonio_ | the "prior to kaffeine" needs to be done in k-d-s | 12:18 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: the package already forces xine by default | 12:18 |
Riddell | Tonio_: groovy | 12:18 |
Riddell | then yeah, a patch for k-d-s would be good | 12:18 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: but I had to patch since the default config was only read by the standard player, not the embedded....... | 12:19 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: lure found the clue :) | 12:19 |
Tonio_ | raphink: you can build powersave, lure has acces to my repo and uploaded it | 12:19 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: wouldn't it be interesting tohave a testing/experimental repo ? | 12:19 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: as you an see, everyone works on mine actually, but the bandwidth may not be enough in a few weeks :) | 12:20 |
raphink | Tonio_: ok | 12:20 |
Tonio_ | raphink: you can apt-get source kmplayer in 5 minutes | 12:21 |
raphink | ok | 12:22 |
raphink | well I need to finishing building kdelibs | 12:22 |
toma | raphink: successfull build earlier? | 12:22 |
raphink | toma: no, I had forgotten to add #include <qlabel.h> | 12:23 |
raphink | no I have added and I'm building again | 12:23 |
raphink | hopefully it will work | 12:23 |
toma | ok | 12:23 |
raphink | good occasion to learn C++ a bit | 12:23 |
raphink | :) | 12:23 |
raphink | can be useful | 12:23 |
toma | yeah ;-), it is not that difficullt ;-) | 12:23 |
raphink | and Qt in particular | 12:23 |
raphink | toma: yes, when you get into it I'm sure :) | 12:23 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: if you're interested for wlassistant replacing kwifimanager, shouldn't we revu it ? | 12:23 |
Tonio_ | raphink: interested ? | 12:24 |
raphink | in what? | 12:24 |
Tonio_ | revuing wlassistant, because it can potentially replace kwifimanager | 12:24 |
raphink | well not right now | 12:25 |
raphink | because I'm busy | 12:25 |
raphink | and I have no wifi anyway so I can't test it | 12:25 |
Tonio_ | as networkmanager/knetwirkmanager isn't installed by default with the install cd | 12:25 |
Tonio_ | (for what I know) | 12:25 |
Riddell | Tonio_: certainly should | 12:27 |
Riddell | Tonio_: please put it up there | 12:28 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2191 | 12:29 |
apachelogger | raphink: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kblogger/+bug/36787 shall I attach anything else? | 12:34 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 36787 in kblogger kicker-kblogger "UVF Exception 0.4.1 -> 0.5" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:34 |
raphink | toma: it fails again | 12:38 |
raphink | it has to return a KCModule | 12:38 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: k-d-s ready, do you want it by mail ? | 12:38 |
toma | raphink: yep, as i noted earlier | 12:39 |
raphink | yep | 12:39 |
raphink | maybe I could create a KCModule variable with my text in it | 12:39 |
toma | raphink: take a look at http://pastebin.com/623628 | 12:41 |
raphink | yes | 12:41 |
raphink | I know that | 12:41 |
toma | at the end you see reportError returns a KCMError with the error | 12:41 |
raphink | KCMError obviously returns a KCModule | 12:42 |
raphink | that contains the text | 12:42 |
toma | that is what you want isn\t it? | 12:42 |
raphink | I guess | 12:42 |
raphink | that's interesting | 12:42 |
raphink | I could just return new KCMError | 12:42 |
raphink | with the text I want | 12:43 |
toma | so you can make a second reportError, like reportErrorKUbuntu or take a shortcut and return the new KCMError | 12:43 |
Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 12:43 |
raphink | yes | 12:44 |
raphink | indeed | 12:44 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: email going right now | 12:44 |
raphink | toma: http://pastebin.com/624032 | 12:44 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: and if you want to test kmplayer, simply install kmplayer-konq-plugin from my repo | 12:44 |
Tonio_ | raphink: you know what? | 12:45 |
toma | raphink: right | 12:45 |
raphink | Tonio_: what? | 12:45 |
Tonio_ | the best kde based distro ever ;) | 12:45 |
raphink | hehe | 12:45 |
raphink | :) | 12:45 |
Tonio_ | we're gonna do it ;) | 12:45 |
raphink | I hope so :) | 12:45 |
Tonio_ | hehe | 12:45 |
raphink | and I'm gonna do this lisa stuff now :p | 12:45 |
raphink | I will do it | 12:46 |
raphink | :) | 12:46 |
Tonio_ | is she blond ? ^_^ | 12:46 |
raphink | hehe | 12:46 |
raphink | hmpf | 12:46 |
raphink | I don't like blond much | 12:46 |
Tonio_ | I mean *real* blond | 12:46 |
Tonio_ | my girlfriend is ;) | 12:46 |
raphink | hehe | 12:46 |
raphink | good4you | 12:47 |
toma | raphink: but, i now recall that the module name was empty in the error, wasn't it? | 12:50 |
raphink | wait | 12:50 |
raphink | yes toma | 12:50 |
toma | so, how is that going to enter the routine then? | 12:50 |
raphink | I don't know | 12:51 |
raphink | we'll see | 12:51 |
raphink | ;) | 12:51 |
raphink | I'll try and see what I can do | 12:51 |
raphink | :) | 12:51 |
toma | ow ok | 12:51 |
toma | (so you want to build it, ignoring the fact that it will not work) | 12:53 |
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Riddell | Tonio_: wlassistant doesn't come with its own icons? | 12:54 |
raphink | toma: why would it not work? | 12:56 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: nope | 12:56 |
Riddell | how peculiar | 12:56 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: well, it comes with a dirty xpm one, and an svg | 12:56 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: but no png......... | 12:57 |
toma | raphink: well, the mod.moduleName() is empty, else it would have been visible in the current error, so it will not enter the loop with the special error | 12:57 |
Riddell | another scons package, shame kde isn't going to use scons | 12:57 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: that's why I added that little algo to build them | 12:57 |
raphink | ah right toma | 12:57 |
raphink | good point :) | 12:57 |
toma | pfew. | 12:57 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: well scons makes it easy to compile, but a pain to package :) | 12:57 |
raphink | hehe sorry toma ;) | 12:58 |
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raphink | it's just a bit hard for me | 12:58 |
toma | raphink: np | 12:58 |
toma | in the current error: "The desktop file %1 could not be found." is there %1 also empty? | 12:59 |
raphink | hmmmmmm | 01:00 |
raphink | it seems so | 01:00 |
raphink | and then we get "desktop" for the file name | 01:00 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: correction : wlassistant only comes with a dirty xpm icon, no svg ;) | 01:00 |
toma | raphink: pfew, tough | 01:01 |
raphink | lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); | 01:01 |
raphink | where do we get this "kcmlisa" in loadModule? | 01:01 |
raphink | KCModule* KCModuleLoader::loadModule(const KCModuleInfo &mod, ErrorReporting report, bool withfallback, QWidget * parent, const char * name, const QStringList & args ) | 01:01 |
raphink | given that it's a KCModuleinfo type | 01:02 |
Riddell | Tonio_: patch it not to use ksystray command, and use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true instead of sudo | 01:02 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true is better than kdesu ? | 01:03 |
raphink | toma: there must be a method of the module to get this info back | 01:03 |
toma | raphink: reading the api now | 01:03 |
Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 01:04 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 01:04 |
toma | raphink: try the moduleName() entry, it should work | 01:05 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: patch was already done (it appears I didn't upload the good version on revu) | 01:05 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: testing and reuploading | 01:05 |
raphink | toma: well it doesn't, we see it iin the error | 01:06 |
toma | raphink: maybe it now showing is another bug | 01:06 |
toma | s/now/not/ | 01:06 |
raphink | we'll see | 01:07 |
raphink | I'll try with the moduleName() | 01:07 |
toma | maybe add some debugging | 01:08 |
raphink | how? | 01:08 |
toma | check and if needed a #include "kdebug.h" | 01:08 |
toma | and add a kdDebug() << "Desktop file requested " << moduleName() << " - " << fileName() << endl; | 01:09 |
Riddell | Tonio_: new k-d-s looks good, I'll upload | 01:09 |
toma | just before the if loop | 01:09 |
raphink | btw | 01:10 |
raphink | i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()) | 01:10 |
raphink | is ugly | 01:10 |
raphink | it opens a p tag and doesn't close it | 01:10 |
raphink | ;) | 01:10 |
toma | right. the devil is in the detail | 01:10 |
raphink | hehe | 01:10 |
raphink | toma: http://pastebin.com/624072 | 01:12 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks :) | 01:13 |
raphink | then I define the kubuntuLisaReportError | 01:13 |
toma | ok | 01:13 |
raphink | toma: if the moduleName() call works, that should work, right? | 01:14 |
toma | yes | 01:14 |
raphink | can you try to build it ? | 01:15 |
raphink | please :) | 01:15 |
toma | yes, can you mail me the diff ? | 01:15 |
raphink | I just sent it through DCC | 01:16 |
raphink | didn't you get it? | 01:16 |
raphink | I can send it by mail if you prefer though | 01:17 |
raphink | toma: what email ? | 01:17 |
toma | it is 0 bytes | 01:17 |
toma | tomalbers@kde.nl | 01:17 |
raphink | ah? | 01:17 |
raphink | sent toma | 01:19 |
raphink | Riddell: I just had the po files for adept and systemsettings updated in the KDE svn | 01:20 |
raphink | how can it be synced ? | 01:20 |
raphink | toma: did you get the mail? | 01:21 |
toma | not yet | 01:21 |
raphink | ok | 01:21 |
toma | got it | 01:21 |
raphink | ok :) | 01:22 |
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raphink | wb Tonio_ | 01:23 |
Tonio_ | raphink: wb ? | 01:23 |
Tonio_ | welcome back ? | 01:23 |
raphink | welcome back | 01:23 |
toma | raphink: 'kubuntuLisaReportError' was not declared | 01:24 |
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raphink | really? | 01:24 |
raphink | it's declared in the end | 01:24 |
raphink | oooh | 01:24 |
raphink | it has to be declared in the .h right? | 01:24 |
raphink | huhu | 01:24 |
toma | yep | 01:24 |
toma | let me do that | 01:24 |
raphink | ok :) | 01:24 |
raphink | static KCModule* kubuntuLisaReportError( ErrorReporting report, const QString & text, | 01:25 |
raphink | QString details, QWidget * parent ); | 01:25 |
raphink | right ? | 01:25 |
toma | exactly | 01:26 |
toma | raphink: indeed a ";" behind it, static in front and remove the class name. Very well. 10 points ;-) | 01:27 |
toma | it compiles | 01:27 |
raphink | hehe :) | 01:28 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2191 | 01:29 |
raphink | actually I just copied the reportError one and changed it | 01:29 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: should be okay now | 01:29 |
raphink | : | 01:29 |
raphink | :) | 01:29 |
toma | raphink: i know ;-) | 01:29 |
raphink | hehe | 01:29 |
raphink | toma: I guess I owe you some help on packaging whenever you decide to do it | 01:30 |
raphink | ;) | 01:30 |
toma | raphink: but it will still popup, you know that, right? | 01:30 |
raphink | why? | 01:30 |
toma | in the caller you see a "Both" | 01:31 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: would you suggest renaming to kde-wlassistant ? | 01:31 |
Tonio_ | the package has been rejected by elmo apparently......; | 01:31 |
Tonio_ | should have been uploaded already. | 01:31 |
toma | in the new method you added there is a Dialog and a Inline at the bottom, my guess is that thhey are related | 01:31 |
raphink | oooh | 01:32 |
raphink | yes | 01:32 |
raphink | that's right | 01:32 |
toma | raphink: so you could change the caller to "Inline" or change your method to comment out the messagebox | 01:32 |
raphink | I shall remove the Dialog part | 01:32 |
raphink | or call the Inline one | 01:32 |
raphink | yes | 01:32 |
toma | raphink: confirmed, see: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ei6ZN523.html | 01:33 |
toma | change it to Inline is the best solution indeed | 01:34 |
raphink | yes | 01:34 |
raphink | so just call it with 1 | 01:34 |
raphink | well actually you know what? | 01:34 |
raphink | it seems I don't have to create this new function | 01:34 |
raphink | I can just call to Inline | 01:34 |
toma | yep | 01:34 |
raphink | and send a custom details | 01:34 |
raphink | and that will do | 01:34 |
toma | yep | 01:34 |
raphink | :) | 01:35 |
raphink | let me do that :) | 01:35 |
raphink | hehe | 01:35 |
raphink | :) | 01:36 |
raphink | toma: so I have to call with report & Inline instead of just report ? | 01:39 |
toma | hmm, the caller no states 'Both' right? | 01:40 |
raphink | no | 01:40 |
raphink | :( | 01:40 |
raphink | it says | 01:41 |
raphink | return reportError( report, | 01:41 |
raphink | i18n("The module %1 could not be found.") | 01:41 |
raphink | .arg( mod.moduleName() ), i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()), parent ); | 01:41 |
raphink | so I don't see where I should say to not use Dialog | 01:41 |
toma | no, in the caller of that method | 01:41 |
raphink | hmmm | 01:41 |
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raphink | :s | 01:41 |
raphink | how do you mean ? :'( | 01:42 |
toma | lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs); | 01:42 |
raphink | ah! | 01:42 |
toma | lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Inline, &tabs); | 01:42 |
raphink | wow I _really_ don't get it anymore | 01:43 |
raphink | hehe | 01:43 |
raphink | but it's ok | 01:43 |
toma | KCModuleLoader::Inline is send to KCModuleLoader::loadModule | 01:44 |
raphink | yes | 01:44 |
raphink | as second argument | 01:44 |
toma | it is the second argument, so it is stored in 'report' | 01:44 |
raphink | for ErrorReporting report | 01:44 |
raphink | but then why not call it directly in KCModuleloader ? | 01:44 |
raphink | load sorry | 01:44 |
toma | that will go as first param to reportError() | 01:45 |
raphink | like | 01:45 |
raphink | return reportError( KCModuleLoader::Inline, blah | 01:46 |
raphink | wouldn't that work? | 01:46 |
raphink | I guess it's just dirty | 01:46 |
raphink | ;) | 01:46 |
toma | yep | 01:46 |
raphink | as it overrdies what is sent by the caller | 01:46 |
raphink | so we lose the track of this parameter the caller sent | 01:47 |
toma | but the next packager will search his ass of for it | 01:47 |
raphink | yes | 01:47 |
raphink | that's right | 01:47 |
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raphink | but then I have to modify two packages | 01:47 |
raphink | kdelibs && kdebase | 01:47 |
raphink | whereas if I only modify the lib, only kdelibs has to be modified | 01:47 |
raphink | so it's easier | 01:47 |
toma | ok, in this case you can get away with it | 01:47 |
raphink | hehe | 01:48 |
raphink | ok let's try | 01:49 |
raphink | I'll send you the new patch | 01:49 |
raphink | sent | 01:51 |
Tonio_ | raphink: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27574-Qui-veut-fabriquer-son-propre-baladeur-numer.htm | 01:51 |
Tonio_ | raphink: mattemoi ca ;) | 01:51 |
raphink | grrr | 01:52 |
raphink | my smtp fails | 01:52 |
raphink | toma: did you get it? | 01:53 |
raphink | Tonio_: intressant | 01:53 |
raphink | on s'en fait un chacun dimanche prochain ? | 01:53 |
raphink | lol | 01:53 |
Tonio_ | raphink: ca me botte de le faire moi ;) | 01:53 |
raphink | :) | 01:53 |
raphink | clair | 01:53 |
Tonio_ | serieux, j'ai des telephones, donc pas de soucis pour l'ecran | 01:53 |
raphink | :) | 01:53 |
raphink | pareil j'ai des vieux tlphones | 01:54 |
raphink | c'est open-source le soft je suppose | 01:54 |
raphink | toma: does it work now? | 01:56 |
toma | raphink: yes, that compiles | 01:57 |
raphink | :) | 01:57 |
toma | raphink: cant check if it works though | 01:57 |
raphink | ok | 01:57 |
raphink | but it builds | 01:57 |
raphink | I guess the kio would have to be rebuilt on top of this now | 01:57 |
Tonio_ | raphink: vi open source ;) le seul bleme, c'est la finition........... tu feras jamais un truc pro a la maison | 01:58 |
raphink | bof ;) | 01:58 |
raphink | a dpend | 01:58 |
raphink | toma: ok then I'll try to build kdelibs again | 01:59 |
toma | raphink: ok, let me know if it works. | 01:59 |
raphink | and then build kcontrol on top of it | 01:59 |
raphink | :) | 01:59 |
toma | bed now! | 01:59 |
raphink | I hope it does :) | 01:59 |
Riddell | Tonio_: wlassistant est advoc | 01:59 |
raphink | thanks for all toma && good night | 01:59 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: merci | 01:59 |
toma | me too, good night | 01:59 |
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Riddell | Tonio_: was kerry uploaded? | 02:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I think jpatrick did it yes :) | 02:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: 3 yes for wlassistant, can I upload it ? | 02:07 |
Riddell | Tonio_: please do | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | I think you have a script to auto ask for uvfe ? | 02:08 |
Riddell | Tonio_: who also approved wlassistant? | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I hope it will not be rejected this time....... | 02:08 |
Riddell | Tonio_: I don't | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: already approved long time ago | 02:08 |
Riddell | Tonio_: new packages don't need an upstream version freeze exception | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | already uploaded, but it never went in universe........ | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | I don't know why | 02:08 |
Riddell | hmm, right | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | maybe elmo because of it's name | 02:08 |
Tonio_ | kde-wlassistant maybe ? | 02:08 |
Riddell | I doubt it, doesn't seem very generic | 02:08 |
Riddell | just upload again and see what happens | 02:09 |
Tonio_ | wlassistant is comparable to pwmanager | 02:09 |
Tonio_ | ;) | 02:09 |
Tonio_ | same semantic, and pwmanager was rejected | 02:09 |
raphink | generic names are only acceptable for gnome apps for elmo ;) | 02:09 |
Tonio_ | raphink: +++++++++ | 02:09 |
Tonio_ | :) | 02:09 |
raphink | hehe | 02:10 |
Riddell | is there a kio-beagle? | 02:10 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: uploaded to ubuntu | 02:10 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28437 | 02:11 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: kio beagle :) | 02:11 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: want a package ? | 02:11 |
Riddell | sure :) | 02:12 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: seems to be unsupported........ 30 august for latest version...... | 02:12 |
raphink | ouch | 02:12 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: not sure that can work with latest beagle version........ | 02:13 |
Riddell | hmm, yes | 02:13 |
Tonio_ | raphink: best method to know is to try no ?? ^^ | 02:13 |
raphink | Tonio_: you could try | 02:13 |
raphink | yep | 02:13 |
raphink | and if it works, having it in kubuntu might help developping it | 02:14 |
raphink | the more people use it, the fastest it tends to grow | 02:14 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: kio-beagle building | 02:25 |
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raphink | Riddell: how long do you think we need to test kde 3.5.2 before including it? | 02:41 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: tried and it doesn't build........... seems to be outdated compared to actual beagle | 02:42 |
Riddell | raphink: I've asked for the UVFe | 02:48 |
raphink | Riddell: for KDE ? | 02:48 |
Riddell | but 3.5.2 isn't released yet remember | 02:48 |
Riddell | raphink: yes | 02:48 |
raphink | great :) | 02:48 |
Riddell | Tonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it | 02:48 |
raphink | It seems to work great so far | 02:48 |
raphink | I have no problem with it at all | 02:48 |
raphink | all big bugs we have fixed have been fixed in it | 02:49 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: wait, I have found patches for 0.2.x compatibility :) | 02:49 |
Tonio_ | hehehe | 02:49 |
raphink | and many others it seems | 02:49 |
raphink | looks much more like a bugfix than 3.5.1 | 02:49 |
raphink | :) | 02:49 |
raphink | Tonio_: hehe | 02:49 |
Riddell | Tonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it | 02:50 |
Riddell | hmm, no | 02:51 |
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raphink | good night Riddell | 02:51 |
raphink | I'll send you the kdelibs patch for lisa | 02:51 |
raphink | if it works :) | 02:51 |
Tonio_ | nite Riddell | 02:53 |
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Tonio_ | for interested tester : kio-beagle available on revu and on my repo : http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 04:56 |
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glick | hello? | 06:34 |
glick | anyone here? | 06:34 |
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Tm_T | hmm hmm hmm | 08:11 |
Tm_T | 3... no, 5 irc clients open | 08:11 |
Tm_T | =) | 08:11 |
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Hobbsee | Tm_T: why? | 08:11 |
Tm_T | Hobbsee: good guestion =) | 08:11 |
Hobbsee | 5 windows, or 5 clients? | 08:11 |
Tm_T | 5 clients | 08:11 |
Tm_T | all separate | 08:11 |
Tm_T | in three different pc's | 08:12 |
Tm_T | ok, normally I just have 3 irssi running but now I have chatzilla and Kopete also in irc | 08:13 |
Hobbsee | ouch | 08:14 |
Tm_T | yeah =) | 08:16 |
Tm_T | 3 irssi in 4 different networks and ~50 channels | 08:16 |
Tm_T | and don't say I'm addicted! | 08:16 |
Tm_T | because I'm not! | 08:16 |
Tm_T | ;) | 08:16 |
Tm_T | some alien -> | 08:17 |
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Tm_T | ach, no luck | 08:24 |
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superstoned | Tonio: wanna test kio-beagle and kerry but why o why does beagle have so many dep's?!?!? 40 packages to install to get beagle to install - AS BACKEND, not even with a gui... | 10:37 |
freeflying | superstoned: where is kio_beagle | 10:41 |
superstoned | http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 10:41 |
superstoned | can't find kerry, btw, u know where it is? | 10:41 |
freeflying | superstoned: I've packaged the latest kerry , you need it ? | 10:42 |
superstoned | i'd like to test it, yes | 10:42 |
freeflying | superstoned: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying | 10:43 |
superstoned | (just installed beagle for first time, btw, so i guess it'll be busy indexing for some time). | 10:43 |
superstoned | tnx | 10:43 |
superstoned | btw how big does the beagle database become> | 10:43 |
superstoned | ? | 10:43 |
freeflying | superstoned: up to how many dirs do you wanna index | 10:44 |
superstoned | a lot... a lot. several gigs with mp3, movies, doc's, a few thousand mails. | 10:44 |
superstoned | btw on your site, i get with a right mouse klick a submenu with kubuntu package menu -> install package, but dpkg apparently doesn't accept ftp packages. shouldn't this option be hidden for ftp or even all non-local protocols? | 10:46 |
freeflying | superstoned: I haven't try with in that way | 10:46 |
superstoned | freeflying: i mainly wonder if it will be eg 50 mb or 500 mb or 5000 mb... | 10:46 |
freeflying | superstoned: my is 193M , I index almost full system | 10:48 |
superstoned | ok, guess it'll be 500 max then :D | 10:48 |
superstoned | tnx | 10:48 |
superstoned | btw | 10:48 |
superstoned | kerry does not install | 10:48 |
freeflying | superstoned: I have 30G movie and songs | 10:48 |
superstoned | i have a little more, but not that serious | 10:49 |
freeflying | superstoned: install it in konsole | 10:49 |
superstoned | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/624636 | 10:50 |
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superstoned | (rmb and use the install option) | 10:50 |
superstoned | where can i find qt 3.3.6?!? | 10:50 |
freeflying | superstoned: also above url | 10:51 |
superstoned | ok | 10:51 |
freeflying | superstoned: how about your downloadin speed | 10:52 |
superstoned | was slow | 10:52 |
superstoned | some 10kb/sec? (not sure) | 10:52 |
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superstoned | freeflying: installing did work now. kerry is configured. but now - when/how will beagle start? | 11:17 |
freeflying | superstoned: do search , it will allow you start beagle | 11:18 |
superstoned | ok | 11:18 |
superstoned | tnx | 11:18 |
superstoned | its started i guess | 11:19 |
freeflying | superstoned: it will index | 11:22 |
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raphink|sleep | toma_: it doesn't work :( | 12:07 |
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alerim | hi there | 12:40 |
alerim | I got a bug on KDE 3.5.2, I get "Unable to load the Display module" in System Settings -> Display | 12:42 |
raphink | _Sime: ping | 12:45 |
sebas | alerim: Could you run kcmshell displayconfig? | 12:47 |
sebas | That should give meaningful errormessages. | 12:48 |
sebas | Meaningful to developers, that is. | 12:48 |
alerim | UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-1: invalid data | 12:48 |
alerim | maybe you want the stack trace | 12:49 |
raphink | ah interesting | 12:49 |
raphink | tonio has got the same error iirc | 12:49 |
raphink | and I've got | 12:49 |
raphink | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam' | 12:49 |
raphink | error: *** runFunction failure | 12:49 |
raphink | ;) | 12:49 |
alerim | http://pastebin.com/624746 | 12:49 |
sebas | Ah, that should've been fixed in recent snapshots. | 12:50 |
raphink | sebas: ? | 12:51 |
sebas | raphink: "?"? | 12:51 |
raphink | alerim just upgraded iirc and I am up-to-date too | 12:51 |
raphink | 4 days ago, the module worked for me | 12:51 |
raphink | then it got broken again | 12:51 |
sebas | With snapshots, I mean "svn". | 12:51 |
raphink | ok | 12:52 |
raphink | for both errors sebas? | 12:52 |
sebas | Yesterday, half past 2 pm, CEST. | 12:52 |
raphink | ok | 12:52 |
sebas | Yours is a different one, raphink? | 12:52 |
raphink | yes | 12:52 |
raphink | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam' | 12:52 |
raphink | error: *** runFunction failure | 12:52 |
raphink | that's what I get | 12:52 |
raphink | on PPC | 12:52 |
sebas | There's a fix for that that went in on friday night, could you check svn? | 12:53 |
raphink | I don't have a co here and I'm a bit busy so not now | 12:54 |
raphink | but ok :) | 12:54 |
sebas | Ok, try it when you have some time. | 12:56 |
raphink | sure | 12:56 |
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Hobbsee | Lure: ping | 01:39 |
Hobbsee | oops, i think i wanted tonio... | 01:39 |
Lure | Hobbsee: pong | 01:40 |
Lure | ;-) | 01:40 |
Hobbsee | whoever's messed with the latest kpowersave is the one that i want... | 01:40 |
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Tm_T | :) | 01:51 |
Tm_T | Hobbsee: unfortunately there's no way to adjust sunlight | 01:51 |
Hobbsee | true | 01:52 |
Tm_T | just imagine, shiny snow everywhere and bright sun... | 01:52 |
Tm_T | still hurting my eyes =) | 01:52 |
Hobbsee | yeah, i've been in that...too darned bright! | 01:52 |
Riddell | how do people get any work done in Finland? don't they want to go sledging every day? | 01:52 |
Hobbsee | evening Riddell | 01:53 |
Tm_T | Riddell: =) | 01:53 |
Riddell | it's the Australia, I never worked out why they don't all go surfing every day | 01:53 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: bluebottles and sharks seem to get in teh way, you know :P | 01:53 |
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Tm_T | Riddell: you don't see beauty too close of you... human nature | 01:53 |
Tm_T | I spent some time today just sitting and looking birds singing and fighting of food | 01:54 |
Tm_T | and yeah, getting blind =) | 01:54 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 01:55 |
Tm_T | partly because of my medication, makes me calm :) | 01:56 |
Tm_T | also don't feel pain that much, good thing | 01:56 |
Tm_T | but now some packaging exercises -> | 01:58 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: kde 3.5.2 seems to work quite well, from waht i've seen so far... | 01:58 |
mornfall | raphink: sup? | 01:58 |
raphink | I'm good | 01:58 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: great, thanks | 01:59 |
raphink | still trying to fix that lisa stuff in kcontrol :s | 01:59 |
raphink | fighting with it | 01:59 |
raphink | yes 3.5.2 works well | 01:59 |
raphink | there are a few bugs | 01:59 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: except for the borked kpowersave, which i'll growl at tonio_ for :P | 01:59 |
raphink | like in kopete for ex | 01:59 |
Tm_T | ? | 02:01 |
Tm_T | raphink: go on | 02:01 |
Hobbsee | what kopete bug? | 02:02 |
raphink | go to Configure in Kopete | 02:02 |
raphink | and click on the Peripherals tab | 02:02 |
raphink | big badaboom :) | 02:02 |
Tm_T | raphink: yeah, fixed in 0.12 ;) | 02:02 |
raphink | hmm ok | 02:02 |
raphink | but 0.12 won't be in Dapper | 02:02 |
Tm_T | that's why I'm working on with 0.12 release | 02:02 |
Lure | Hobbsee: I did new powersave, but I am not responsible for brigthness feature - we should bug upstream | 02:03 |
raphink | so I'd like it fixed in 0.11.1 too | 02:03 |
Tm_T | raphink: 0.11.2 | 02:03 |
Tm_T | ;) | 02:03 |
Hobbsee | Lure: yes, i now dont have the suspend/hibernate options, and my hotkeys to dull the screen dont work. fortunately, it can be dulled in the bios | 02:03 |
raphink | Tm_T: ok | 02:03 |
Tm_T | raphink: it's 0.11.2 in KDE 3.5.2 | 02:04 |
Lure | Hobbsee: did you removed divert for /usr/sbin/acpid (see wiki)? | 02:04 |
raphink | not in my version Tm_T | 02:04 |
Hobbsee | Lure: no, i didnt know it had been updated | 02:04 |
raphink | bbl | 02:04 |
Lure | Hobbsee: we changed the divert (removed it) in order to not conflict for users with ubuntu-desktop | 02:06 |
Lure | also special keys of some notebooks (toshiba, ibm) did not work | 02:07 |
Lure | what kind of noteboot do you have? | 02:07 |
Hobbsee | Lure: right. toshiba a10 satellite. they've always worked | 02:07 |
Hobbsee | hibernate/suspend hasnt, but the monitor keys, and the brightness keys, have always worked | 02:07 |
Lure | interesting - also with last powersave? | 02:08 |
Hobbsee | nope, everything worked in the last kpowersave. | 02:08 |
Lure | I got some reports telling me the opossite (worked with klaptop, broke with kpowersave) | 02:08 |
Hobbsee | ah yeah, it didnt work with klaptop, sorry | 02:09 |
Lure | but anyway, your toshiba requires events also in /etc/acpi/event which were diverted by old powersave package | 02:09 |
Hobbsee | it did work with all previous versions of kpowersave | 02:09 |
Hobbsee | right, so how do i change that? | 02:09 |
Lure | Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave (under installing) | 02:10 |
Hobbsee | right, so it's the same as what i'm doing now | 02:10 |
Lure | I would also suggest reboot after this and please check that /usr/sbin/acpid is binary and not script | 02:10 |
Hobbsee | my head's hurting pretty badly, so sorry for seeming like an idiot... | 02:10 |
Hobbsee | how do i check that? ls? | 02:11 |
Hobbsee | ack!!!! | 02:12 |
Hobbsee | my eyes! | 02:12 |
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Hobbsee | Lure: thankyou thankyou thankyou! | 02:20 |
Tm_T | hmm | 02:22 |
Lure | Hobbsee: glad that it works for you | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | :) | 02:24 |
Lure | btw, hibernate/suspend never worked for you? | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | Lure: never in breezy, i think hibernate sorta worked - was very slow, and the network wouldnt reboot, so i'd just have to reboot anyway to get everything working properly. it did in the earlier dapper versions of klaptop for a while (the hibernate), but then borked (crashed when you hit hibernate/suspend) | 02:25 |
Hobbsee | but kpowersave is the first time it's worked properly - boots down as it's told to, comes back up, with network/wireless card/sound/touchpad/etc | 02:26 |
Lure | Hobbsee: hibernate is also broken for me (hp nw8240), but works nicely with 2.6.15-15 | 02:27 |
Hobbsee | wow really? what are you on now? 2.6.15-18? | 02:27 |
Lure | also latest install CD (since Flight4) are useless for me - hang in usplash (no install menu) | 02:27 |
Lure | Hobbsee: latest (I think -19) - currently running Breezy | 02:28 |
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Lure | so cannot check | 02:28 |
Hobbsee | ah ok, yep | 02:28 |
theine | Hi, are packages for KDE 3.5.2 already available? | 02:28 |
Tm_T | why I feel I'm doing this totally wrong =) | 02:29 |
Tm_T | oh well... | 02:30 |
Lure | theine: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main | 02:30 |
Lure | test packages, but work nicely | 02:30 |
Tm_T | that's not going to ubuntu main? | 02:30 |
theine | great, thanks | 02:30 |
Hobbsee | Tm_T: it's testing for the moment... | 02:30 |
Tm_T | ah, and then to ubuntu repos... gotcha | 02:31 |
Lure | Hobbsee: plan is that we get kpowersave 0.6 today (or by end of week for sure) and than prepare it for UVF exception | 02:31 |
Hobbsee | yep, sounds good | 02:31 |
Hobbsee | it'll need to redirect those links by default, if that's going to happen, no? | 02:31 |
Lure | SuSE has rc1 today and we do not expect changes further on (powersave is already released version) | 02:31 |
Lure | Hobbsee: this was only needed because of previous powersave package - not needed anymore in future | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | ah ok, yep | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | ah...i see :D | 02:32 |
Lure | we might only need acpi-support a bit more powersave-aware (working with laptop-team) | 02:33 |
Lure | but it looks quite good already | 02:33 |
Hobbsee | *nods* | 02:33 |
Hobbsee | it's working way better than klaptop ever did | 02:33 |
theine | Is there any chance that there will be an UVF exception for knetworkmanager? | 02:34 |
Lure | theine: knm is planned to go in as quickly as we get n-m 0.6 from official depo | 02:35 |
Lure | it will actually go to main (at least that is planned) | 02:35 |
theine | Lure: Fantastic | 02:38 |
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Tm_T | hmm | 02:54 |
hendry | are those new KDE packages going to make Flight6? | 02:58 |
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Riddell | hendry: which? | 03:26 |
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raphink | Riddell: the live powerpc is not available in fr anymore ? | 03:49 |
Riddell | raphink: it was oversized so I've removed all the lang packs for now, I'll put them back to fill capacity later | 03:53 |
raphink | ah | 03:54 |
raphink | ok | 03:54 |
raphink | Riddell: I'm still fighting with the lisa tabs | 03:56 |
raphink | in my last attempt to show an error message in them when it's not installed | 03:56 |
raphink | it had just removed the tabs | 03:56 |
raphink | lol | 03:56 |
raphink | so at least I had no error anymore | 03:56 |
raphink | Riddell: do you know of a wifi card that works with MacOS and Ubuntu? | 03:57 |
Riddell | nope, but I'm no expert in such things | 03:58 |
raphink | ok | 03:59 |
raphink | you run on ppc too, don't you? | 03:59 |
Lure | raphink: why don't you ask kde-guidance guys - they always nicely present "fail to start" messages when python throws error on startup | 04:01 |
Lure | ;-) | 04:01 |
raphink | hehe | 04:01 |
raphink | well this module is in cpp | 04:02 |
Lure | but really, you probably expect that it should work the same - I would suspect it is C++ code that catches error from python script and present message | 04:02 |
raphink | hehe ok | 04:02 |
Lure | maybe we just need to look how it is done there... | 04:02 |
raphink | well everything is in the C++ code for the bugs I'm trying to fix | 04:03 |
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raphink | there's no python | 04:03 |
Riddell | raphink: I have a minimac, it doesn't have wireless or macos on it | 04:06 |
raphink | ah ok | 04:06 |
raphink | I have macos so far | 04:06 |
raphink | but never booted on it | 04:06 |
raphink | lol | 04:06 |
raphink | I think I will just remove it soon | 04:06 |
raphink | dunno why >i've put it actually | 04:06 |
jjesse | i heard there are packages for kde3.5.2 available but i don't see an announcement anywhere is that ttrue? | 04:06 |
mornfall | --> | 04:07 |
Riddell | jjesse: yes | 04:07 |
raphink | jjesse: http://www.raphink.info/ | 04:07 |
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raphink | that is my unofficial announcement | 04:07 |
jjesse | i thought i saw it on the blogs on planet? | 04:07 |
raphink | huhu | 04:07 |
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jjesse | raphink: did i get you in trouble :) | 04:08 |
raphink | jjesse: course not :) | 04:09 |
raphink | I posted on my planet willingly ;) | 04:09 |
raphink | I take my responsabilities | 04:09 |
raphink | ah | 04:10 |
raphink | planet doesn't flood on konqui anymore :D | 04:10 |
Riddell | ubuntu are going to have an april 1st background image | 04:14 |
Riddell | I wonder what we could have for kubuntu | 04:15 |
raphink | hmmm | 04:15 |
Lathiat | a gnome foot :) | 04:15 |
raphink | Lathiat: you know why the GNOME logo is only the foot of the gnome ? | 04:16 |
Lathiat | raphink: no idea :) | 04:16 |
raphink | because the dragon ate the rest | 04:16 |
Lathiat | ahahaha | 04:16 |
raphink | ;) | 04:17 |
raphink | Riddell: how about a konqui with a GNOME foot stuck on his back? | 04:18 |
raphink | hehe | 04:18 |
Riddell | I've a feeling adding gnome stuff would create more flame wars than laughs | 04:18 |
Lathiat | heh | 04:19 |
raphink | ok | 04:19 |
Lathiat | i like last years | 04:19 |
raphink | then hmmm | 04:19 |
Lathiat | ubuntu oine | 04:19 |
Riddell | now if we had a picture of all the kubuntu developers swimming naked in a tropical river that would be perfect | 04:19 |
Lathiat | picture of elmo+mark+.. someone else i dont know | 04:19 |
Lathiat | haha | 04:19 |
Riddell | (which incidenly is one of the candidates for the ubuntu picture) | 04:19 |
raphink | hehe | 04:19 |
Riddell | maybe we should just change the background orange | 04:20 |
raphink | lol | 04:20 |
raphink | keep the current background | 04:21 |
Lathiat | hahahaha | 04:21 |
raphink | and add Konqui painting it orange | 04:21 |
Lathiat | thats class | 04:21 |
sebas | Riddell: I'd be happy to go somewhere tropical, if I've only got to be taken on a photo nekkid :) | 04:21 |
Lathiat | or that | 04:21 |
raphink | like konqui being painting the environment orange | 04:21 |
jjesse | how many people want to see a bunch of developers naked? | 04:21 |
Lathiat | raphink: ooh i like that | 04:21 |
raphink | Lathiat: :) | 04:21 |
sebas | That way I would be able to see my own penis again ;-) | 04:21 |
raphink | Lathiat: easy to do even | 04:22 |
raphink | Lathiat: just taking the current bubbles wallpaper, adding konqui to it and a bit of orange | 04:22 |
raphink | Riddell: how would you like that>? | 04:22 |
Riddell | this would be a good one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg | 04:23 |
Riddell | raphink: yeah, that could work | 04:23 |
raphink | http://www.chelskov.org/molde/Bilder/konqui.jpg | 04:23 |
Lathiat | haha | 04:23 |
raphink | this one would be perfect for the task imo | 04:23 |
sebas | That "Jesus Christ ..." is great :D | 04:23 |
Lathiat | are the shipped kubuntu shipit cds going to have konqi on them? :) | 04:23 |
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Riddell | tragically no sebas in this one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-09-01-akademy-beach-party.jpg | 04:24 |
sebas | Riddell: I'm more afraid of those: http://vizzzion.org/?id=viewpic&gcat=aKademy2005-8-Beachparty&gpic=IMG_6251.JPG#images | 04:24 |
raphink | lol | 04:26 |
jjesse | are those work safe pictures? | 04:26 |
Riddell | no :) | 04:26 |
Riddell | raphink: the hugging konquis would be better | 04:31 |
raphink | wait a min | 04:31 |
raphink | I'll show you want I come with :) | 04:32 |
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raphink | I've got something quite nice | 04:33 |
raphink | for my poor graphic skills that is | 04:33 |
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raphink | anyone has a link to ubuntu's orange ? | 04:39 |
Riddell | Orange: 255 99 9 / FF6309 | 04:40 |
Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official | 04:40 |
raphink | thanks much | 04:41 |
raphink | wow tthis is red | 04:41 |
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freeflying | Riddell: qt-3.3.6+kde3.5.2 , konqueror often crashes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10913 | 04:45 |
raphink | Riddell: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png | 04:47 |
raphink | how about that? | 04:47 |
raphink | I know my graphic skills are very poor ;) | 04:48 |
raphink | hehe | 04:48 |
raphink | but it's just the idea | 04:48 |
Riddell | raphink: controvetial :) | 04:49 |
raphink | hehe | 04:49 |
raphink | you like it? | 04:49 |
raphink | Lathiat: | 04:49 |
seaLne | hehe | 04:49 |
raphink | :) | 04:49 |
seaLne | does gnome have an equivalent of konqi? | 04:50 |
raphink | they only have the foot seaLne | 04:50 |
seaLne | or how about a spaceman painting it orange? | 04:50 |
raphink | konqui hate the rest of their mascot | 04:50 |
raphink | ate | 04:50 |
raphink | s/hate/ate/ | 04:51 |
seaLne | :) | 04:51 |
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raphink | http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png | 04:57 |
raphink | konqui is a bit lower in the pic | 04:57 |
raphink | :) | 04:57 |
Lure | raphink: nice... | 04:58 |
raphink | :) | 04:58 |
raphink | you like it? | 04:58 |
Lure | yes, I think it would be nice for april 1 | 04:58 |
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Pygi | raphink: perhaps you could make it paint kubuntu logo? ^_^ | 04:59 |
raphink | http://r.pinson.free.fr/capture.jpg | 05:00 |
raphink | this is how it looks on my comp | 05:00 |
raphink | Pygi: well the idea of the joke is that he's turning the kde style into the new gnome one ;) | 05:00 |
raphink | for the 1st of april | 05:00 |
Pygi | raphink: o joy ^_^ | 05:01 |
raphink | hehe | 05:01 |
Riddell | Bugs meeting! | 05:03 |
Riddell | Lure, seaLne.. | 05:03 |
Lure | Riddell: I am there... | 05:03 |
raphink | bugs meeting? | 05:03 |
raphink | Riddell: or are you calling lure & seaLne bugs? | 05:04 |
Lathiat | raphink: thats awesome | 05:04 |
Lathiat | just fix the shadow on konqi | 05:05 |
raphink | :) | 05:05 |
raphink | yes | 05:05 |
seaLne | raphink: :P | 05:05 |
Lathiat | but i figure that was a quick hack | 05:05 |
Lathiat | :) | 05:05 |
raphink | not sure how to fix that | 05:05 |
raphink | yes | 05:05 |
Lathiat | get abetter konqi image | 05:05 |
raphink | very quick hack ;) | 05:05 |
Lathiat | tbh im imrpessed how good it is for a quick ahck | 05:06 |
raphink | well I'm not sure where to get a better konqui image | 05:06 |
Lathiat | i could spend days tryign to make somethign like that... ;p | 05:06 |
Lathiat | im sure kde.org must have something? | 05:06 |
raphink | not in the right position I think Lathiat | 05:06 |
raphink | this position is just very convenient for a painting konqui | 05:07 |
Lathiat | also i'd make it a little more orange | 05:07 |
raphink | while this http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/konqi-klogo-official-400x500.png is not | 05:07 |
raphink | Lathiat: this is the official ubuntu orange | 05:07 |
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Lathiat | raphink: no i mean | 05:07 |
Lathiat | a bigger area | 05:07 |
Lathiat | not too big | 05:07 |
raphink | ah ok :) | 05:07 |
raphink | sure | 05:07 |
Lathiat | but a little better | 05:07 |
Lathiat | anyway | 05:07 |
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Lathiat | bedtime for me | 05:07 |
Lathiat | ;p | 05:07 |
raphink | I could also have small drops on the wall | 05:07 |
raphink | ok | 05:07 |
raphink | good night | 05:07 |
raphink | I don't want the orange stuff too big | 05:08 |
raphink | so you can still feel like "nooooooooooooo doooooooooooooon't!" | 05:08 |
raphink | ;) | 05:08 |
Lathiat | i dunno mayenb its nice that size | 05:09 |
raphink | it should be more random | 05:13 |
mornfall | humm | 05:15 |
mornfall | sup | 05:15 |
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raphink | I'm good mornfall you? | 05:16 |
mornfall | i guess so | 05:16 |
mornfall | no catastrophes | 05:16 |
raphink | hehe | 05:17 |
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mornfall | i guess i'm bored | 05:21 |
mornfall | i should tex algorithm design assignment | 05:21 |
jpatrick | hi mornfall | 05:21 |
mornfall | hi jpatrick | 05:21 |
jpatrick | so what's going on? | 05:22 |
mornfall | web servers. aw. :-) | 05:23 |
jpatrick | I'm just gonna package kbfx today. | 05:25 |
Tm_T | achtung! | 05:27 |
Tm_T | kopete doesn't get jabber plugin compiled with current dapper&kde352 | 05:27 |
hunger | Why does everybody have kde352 and I don't:-( | 05:28 |
raphink | hunger: because you chose to I guess | 05:29 |
raphink | hunger: http://www.raphink.info/ | 05:30 |
Lure | Tm_T: I have kde352 and I have jabber (G Talk) | 05:31 |
Tm_T | Lure: ofcourse you do | 05:32 |
Tm_T | Lure: because you don't compile Kopete yourself | 05:32 |
Lure | ok | 05:32 |
Tm_T | ;) | 05:32 |
Tm_T | this is strange... configure complains that it can't build jabber plugin and yet, it does build it | 05:37 |
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Lure | lesson learned on meeting: we need to add kde packages here to get us atosubscribed (it is a bit outdated): | 05:41 |
Lure | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | 05:41 |
Riddell | Lure: yes | 05:42 |
Riddell | Lure: I added the main packages, but there will be some I've missed | 05:42 |
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Lure | seaLne: can you subcribe kubuntu-team for package in future instead of assign - this would do it | 05:43 |
Lure | (since you go through every kubuntu bug ;-)) | 05:43 |
seaLne | i think they should be assigned aswell | 05:44 |
Riddell | existing bugs for products don't get subscribed retrospecively, which is something seaLne has been tidying up | 05:44 |
Lure | seaLne: that is ok, I am just sugesting that if you see kde package, it should get subscribed to kubuntu-team | 05:45 |
seaLne | assigned means stuff goes to kubuntu-bugs list, wouldn't subscribe do the same but not look as good? | 05:45 |
seaLne | ah right | 05:45 |
Lure | we will reduce your work for future (not really, you will just have more time for other stuff ;-) | 05:46 |
seaLne | so how do you subscribe packages? | 05:46 |
raphink | pfiew | 05:46 |
Lure | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+subscribe | 05:47 |
Lure | you can subscribe yourself or any list you are member of | 05:47 |
raphink | http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april3.png | 05:48 |
raphink | :) | 05:48 |
raphink | removed the shadow on konqui, adding blur everywhere around | 05:48 |
raphink | on edges | 05:48 |
raphink | :) | 05:48 |
raphink | and drops | 05:49 |
Riddell | raphink: can the orange be slightly transparent? | 05:49 |
raphink | sure it can Riddell :) | 05:50 |
raphink | I'll try at least | 05:50 |
seaLne | Lure: i'm unsure how you get to a url like that without typing it for a package | 05:53 |
Lure | I just type in... ;-) | 05:53 |
Lure | just append +subscribe on package - package is anyway on top of the page | 05:53 |
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seaLne | bah, i want the last 5 minutes of my life back hunting for how to do that :P | 05:54 |
Lure | seaLne: seen that: | 05:54 |
Lure | <seb128> and you take the assignment only when you start working on something | 05:54 |
Lure | maybe we are abusing this assignement too much... | 05:54 |
mbiebl | Lure: hi. | 05:54 |
Lure | mbiebl: hi | 05:54 |
mbiebl | I'm integrating powersave into the logout dialog atm. | 05:54 |
mbiebl | http://www.teco.edu/~biebl/logout.png | 05:54 |
seaLne | Lure: maybe it would help if their was a definition of wtf the different terms in malone ment | 05:54 |
Lure | mbiebl: nice! - where do we get this? | 05:55 |
Lure | Riddell: check mbiebl's link | 05:55 |
mbiebl | I requires a patch to ksmserver. | 05:55 |
Lure | seaLne: exactly... | 05:55 |
Lure | mbiebl: already in your SVN? | 05:56 |
mbiebl | I will upload it to my repo tonight. | 05:56 |
Riddell | mbiebl: looks nice | 05:56 |
mbiebl | It's mostly taken from SuSE btw. So all creadit to them ;-) | 05:56 |
seaLne | assign to me means "we know about this and have started thinking about it" | 05:56 |
Riddell | Suspend to RAM should be Suspend to Memory | 05:56 |
mbiebl | Riddell: we could change that. But it's used in kpowersave too. So we would have to change it there also. | 05:57 |
sebas | mbiebl: Nice! | 05:57 |
Lure | seaLne: and this may be overstatement... ;-) | 05:57 |
mbiebl | I will see, if I can also integrate it into kdm. | 05:58 |
Lure | Riddell: if we are changing this, we should just rename to Suspend and Hibernate - people are used to it | 05:58 |
seaLne | Lure: the main reason was to get it to appear on kubuntu-team's assigned bugs | 05:58 |
Lure | seaLne: I know, I am just thinking how is this meant to work (as no doc exists) | 05:59 |
mbiebl | Lure: I'm used to suspent do disk and suspend to ram, because that's what the linux kernel calls it. | 05:59 |
mbiebl | hibernate is a windows thingy I think. | 05:59 |
raphink | Riddell: actually where excatly would you like transparency? | 06:00 |
Lure | mbiebl: probably - I was (primarily) WinXP user until I found Hoary ;-) | 06:00 |
Lure | but it would be also consistent with Ubuntu | 06:00 |
seaLne | raphink: so it looks like a first coat of paint? | 06:00 |
sebas | It's often referred to as hibernate (suspend to disk, S4) and standby (suspend to ram, S3). | 06:01 |
sebas | But in fact real standby is just cpu switched off (C1, I think) | 06:01 |
mbiebl | I find suspend to disk and suspend to ram much clearer. | 06:01 |
Riddell | raphink: on the orange paint (just an idea, it may not work) | 06:01 |
mbiebl | Because standby doesn't tell me what acutally happens. | 06:01 |
sebas | The standby metapher is quite OK, I think. Most devices in standby do need some power, which is true for S3. | 06:01 |
raphink | it's not easy Riddell | 06:02 |
OculusAquilae | Isn't there a problem with translations if you would change it | 06:02 |
raphink | the original colour shape I can make transparent | 06:02 |
raphink | but then what I put around (blur and all) is harder | 06:02 |
raphink | I'll try though | 06:02 |
sebas | mbiebl: The main difference (wakeup time, and draining battery) aren't clear for the ignorant user... | 06:02 |
sebas | I'd also go for hibernate / suspend to memory, btw. RAM is too technical and just doesn't look nice in that dialogue. It should be changed in kpowersave aswell, probably, to keep it consistent. | 06:03 |
mbiebl | Problem is, that this would change the translation strings for kpowersave... | 06:04 |
OculusAquilae | right, SuSE does very good translations | 06:04 |
mbiebl | Yes, kpowersave has a lot of translations. | 06:05 |
OculusAquilae | we don't have such a translation process atm | 06:05 |
mbiebl | We would have to revise them to. The handbook and screenshots in there too, probably. | 06:06 |
Lure | it probably only make sense if maintainers decide to change it - otherwise is too much work to keep up to date | 06:07 |
mbiebl | I will take this suggestion to the powersave mailing list. | 06:07 |
sebas | mbiebl: Hm, yeah. | 06:08 |
mbiebl | But as they are also preparing their release for opensuse 10.1 they also have a string freeze. | 06:08 |
raphink | Riddell: can't do it :( | 06:08 |
raphink | I don't succeed | 06:08 |
mornfall | kde uses CET (or maybe CEST) now as a coordination time IIRC | 06:11 |
mornfall | hmm | 06:12 |
mornfall | wrong chan again | 06:12 |
mbiebl | Btw, the logout options are determined dynamically, so if the machine only supports suspend to disk, only this option is offered. | 06:13 |
sebas | How do you check? | 06:14 |
mornfall | hmm? | 06:14 |
mbiebl | It contacts the powersave daemon via dbus. | 06:14 |
mornfall | mbiebl: i have never noticed anything like that -- is that kubuntu specific patch? | 06:15 |
mornfall | oh | 06:15 |
mornfall | opensuse? | 06:15 |
sebas | mbiebl: Ah, thx. | 06:15 |
mbiebl | mornfall: yes | 06:15 |
sebas | Will that patch go into the 3.5.2 packages, btw? | 06:15 |
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Lure | sebas: it does not make sense unless we include kpowersave in main (to replace klaptop) | 06:16 |
mbiebl | Lure: right. | 06:16 |
sebas | Ow, yeah, it's not yet. | 06:16 |
mornfall | well, dapper+1? | 06:16 |
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sebas | Bye | 06:16 |
Lure | I am all for it, but there are problems with ppc and still need some polish | 06:16 |
mbiebl | I still hope we can make it into dapper. | 06:16 |
mornfall | isn't it a bit late? | 06:17 |
sebas | klaptop being that bad makes it easier to not run into regressions. | 06:17 |
mornfall | (k)powersave is fine when you know what you are doing | 06:17 |
Lure | mbiebl: when we get it in universe and get some testers, everybody will want it there..;-) | 06:17 |
Lure | in main | 06:17 |
mornfall | for dapper+1 i am all for it | 06:18 |
mbiebl | Problem is, if we want tight integration (as i logout dialog) it has to go into main. | 06:18 |
mornfall | mbiebl: why? you can't depend on the fact it's running anyway | 06:18 |
Lure | mornfall: I think this will be probable outcome (dapper only in universe) | 06:18 |
mornfall | mbiebl: it can be done optional | 06:18 |
mbiebl | If they can squeeze NM 0.6 in, it should be no problem to get (k)powersave in properly. | 06:18 |
Lure | mbiebl: yes and no - NM 0.5 was already in, powersave only had one old upload in universe | 06:19 |
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mornfall | no train's leaving with dapper | 06:20 |
Lure | but I think if we buy enough beer for Riddell it is not completely impossible ;-) | 06:20 |
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raphink | Riddell: how is that ? | 06:21 |
mornfall | i should do the fc4 update of dovecot :| | 06:21 |
raphink | http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april4.png | 06:21 |
mbiebl | Well, (k)powersave got a hell of testing because it will also be release wie SLED. | 06:21 |
mornfall | sled? | 06:22 |
raphink | Riddell: looks more like a work in progress? | 06:22 |
mbiebl | SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. | 06:22 |
raphink | :) | 06:22 |
mbiebl | They release about the same time as dapper. | 06:22 |
raphink | oh nice | 06:22 |
jjesse | note to self, don't try and upgrade to kde3.5.2 while installing a vitural machine | 06:24 |
mbiebl | Riddell: I promised to give you an overview on (k)powersave. Haven't done it yet because I wanted to integrate some features first and waited for the final stable release 0.6 of kpowersave which is due this week. | 06:27 |
mbiebl | Do you have a laptop to give (k)powersave a try and tell me what you think? | 06:27 |
Riddell | mbiebl: I do yes (although not immediately) | 06:28 |
mbiebl | Ok, then I'll send you instructions as soon as the final kpowersave is released. Stay tuned. | 06:29 |
mbiebl | Have to go now. CU. | 06:29 |
raphink | http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg | 06:29 |
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jjesse | hmm just updated to kde 3.5.2 and noticed that some of the windows i had open in another desktop were closed (3 openoffice.org write windows in one desktop, and vmplayer in another) | 06:32 |
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seaLne | raphink: that last version looks good more sense of him painting | 06:50 |
raphink | yes | 06:50 |
raphink | it's more "real" | 06:50 |
raphink | well it's just for one day anyway | 06:50 |
raphink | :) | 06:50 |
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raphink | wb Lure | 06:51 |
Lure | raphink: hi | 06:52 |
raphink | :) | 06:52 |
raphink | Lure: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg is that better? | 06:52 |
Lure | great ;-) | 06:52 |
raphink | :) | 06:52 |
Lure | will this be default for Flight6 (Wed)? | 06:53 |
raphink | lol | 06:53 |
raphink | that would be fun | 06:53 |
raphink | Riddell: ? | 06:53 |
Lure | or just April 1 | 06:53 |
Tm_T | raphink: =) =) | 06:53 |
Tm_T | I wonder... | 06:54 |
raphink | hehe | 06:54 |
cmvo | Lure: Hi! I'm experimenting with kde 3.5.2 on dapper and see a slowdown when switching to a desktop for the first time. Do you see the slowdowns on other occations? | 06:55 |
Lure | cmvo: I have seen it only with crystal | 06:55 |
raphink | same here | 06:55 |
Lure | I am on Plastik now and it works fast | 06:55 |
Riddell | raphink: nice | 06:56 |
raphink | it's crystal that slows it down | 06:56 |
raphink | Riddell: there's a bit of transparency... did my best on it | 06:56 |
Lure | cmvo: only the first switch - I have documented it in crystal bug | 06:57 |
cmvo | Lure: Yup, only with Crystal. Also in system settings the preview of Crystal is slow to appear. It seems to be some kind of init problem. | 06:57 |
Lure | cmvo: I think transparency code does something before it is painted for the first time (store background?) | 06:58 |
Lure | mornfall: ping | 07:01 |
mornfall | Lure: pong | 07:01 |
Lure | add/remove programs is really nice | 07:01 |
Lure | I have one minor observation | 07:01 |
cmvo | Lure: Do you have the bug #? I'm fighting lauchpad at the moment... | 07:01 |
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mornfall | Lure: yes? | 07:01 |
Lure | why do programs without description take more space (row) than others | 07:02 |
mornfall | hmm, do they? | 07:02 |
Lure | examples in System: Wallet, Menu Editor, Menu Updating Tool... | 07:02 |
mornfall | let me see | 07:02 |
Lure | will do screenshot | 07:02 |
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cmvo | Lure: Never mind, I got it. | 07:04 |
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mornfall | they seem to take same space as with description here | 07:06 |
Lure | http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3331/addremove6de.png | 07:06 |
Lure | I am slow (got distracted... ;-)) | 07:06 |
mornfall | imageshack is too (slow) | 07:07 |
mornfall | 10K/s | 07:07 |
marseillai | Riddell: i think there's a problem with krfb in kubuntu! i've found anywhere a connection log. it seems you don't redirect output log to any file as it's tell there : http://ait.web.psi.ch/services/linux/kde-desktop-sharing.htm?forprint (/usr/local/kde/bin/krfb > /tmp/krfb.log 2>&1 & for example) | 07:07 |
mornfall | stall | 07:07 |
mornfall | Lure: indeed | 07:07 |
mornfall | interesting | 07:07 |
mornfall | i'd say it's a bug :] | 07:08 |
Lure | noticed that they are also not equal size... | 07:08 |
Lure | I am not concerned, just funny | 07:08 |
mornfall | must be some qlayout screwup | 07:09 |
mornfall | qlayout is driving me nuts most of the time | 07:09 |
Lure | mornfall: unsupported means universe? | 07:09 |
mornfall | Lure: yes | 07:10 |
mornfall | IIRC :) | 07:10 |
seaLne | what about multiverse? | 07:10 |
Lure | proprietary software | 07:10 |
mornfall | unsupported+proprietary | 07:10 |
Lure | mornfall: unsupported is a bit harsh to MOTUs - sometimes they do better job than main ;-) | 07:10 |
mornfall | Lure: it is officially unsupported is it not? | 07:11 |
mornfall | big fat warning in sources.list | 07:11 |
mornfall | all that | 07:11 |
mornfall | there's also this space constraint | 07:11 |
mornfall | "not completely supported but people are trying but beware" is a bit long for a checkbox | 07:11 |
seaLne | heh | 07:11 |
Lure | true... | 07:11 |
Riddell | marseillai: there's no kubuntu specific changes to krfb | 07:11 |
marseillai | oki! sorry! so i'll tell this somewhere else! | 07:12 |
Riddell | mornfall: are you planning to add commercial software support to adept_installer? | 07:13 |
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mornfall | Riddell: i have no idea how -- it probably could be done, but i guess that currently means reading gnome-app-install source | 07:14 |
mornfall | [19:14:05] metalhedd | #kubuntu % I lost the icon for adept_notifier in dapper. its not even listed in my KMenu anymore, but i can run it from the terminal (but I get no tray icon) | 07:14 |
mornfall | riiiight | 07:14 |
Tm_T | ok, I'm uploading Kopete 0.12 beta2 package and stuff to my server | 07:14 |
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Lure | hi Tonio_ | 07:15 |
hunger | Tm_T: What are the chances of that making it into dapper? | 07:15 |
Tonio_ | hello lure and all | 07:16 |
Tonio_ | Lure: you are motu no ? | 07:16 |
Tm_T | hunger: that's what Im trying to do here ;) | 07:16 |
Lure | no - I just did my first pbuilder thing yesterday | 07:16 |
Lure | ;-) | 07:16 |
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Tm_T | hm, installs fine in my system, let's see how it runs | 07:16 |
hunger | Tm_T: Just curious:-) | 07:16 |
Riddell | mornfall: add source line, show licence file, install | 07:16 |
Tonio_ | damn...... | 07:16 |
Riddell | mornfall: although I can't find an example just now | 07:16 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: tested ko-beagle ? works like a charm :) | 07:17 |
Tm_T | hmm | 07:17 |
Tm_T | works | 07:17 |
Riddell | Tonio_: not yet no | 07:17 |
Lure | Tonio_: but Riddell accepted me in KubuntuTeam (and is pushing me to bugs) ;-) | 07:17 |
Lure | Tonio_: you mean kerry? | 07:17 |
mornfall | also, let's note that i won't have time until after 30th | 07:17 |
hunger | Where can I sneak a peek at all the wonders you guys are working on? | 07:17 |
Tonio_ | Lure: and Riddell's right ;) you do great job for bug fixing ;) | 07:17 |
Tonio_ | Lure: no I mean the kio-beagle :) | 07:18 |
Tm_T | hunger: hood question =) | 07:18 |
Tm_T | good even | 07:18 |
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Tonio_ | Lure: I packaged it toonight, it is on revu, and you can find it on my repo | 07:18 |
Lure | Tonio_: will try now | 07:18 |
mornfall | which means 5 days to freeze the interface | 07:18 |
mornfall | oh, actually no | 07:18 |
mornfall | that's only documentation | 07:18 |
Lure | hunger: kubuntu.no-ip.org repository | 07:18 |
Lure | hunger: but kde352 and qt 3.3.6 first ;-) | 07:19 |
mornfall | Riddell: how important is it? | 07:19 |
mornfall | it's still a serious feature freeze breach... even though it seems feature freeze doesn't mean much here anyway | 07:19 |
hunger | Lure: Aehm... google does not know that one. | 07:19 |
mornfall | it's still me who'll handle the bugs | 07:20 |
Riddell | mornfall: depends if canonical can persuade anyone to supply .debs to them | 07:20 |
Lure | hunger: do you have laptop? we are looking for kpowersave testers (see KubuntuPowersave wiki) | 07:20 |
Riddell | mornfall: Mark Shuttleworth was fairly keen to have it, but it's certainly not vital | 07:20 |
hunger | Lure: I am using kpowersave for a while now. | 07:20 |
Lure | hunger: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main | 07:20 |
hunger | Lure: Works like a charm! | 07:20 |
Lure | hunger: deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main | 07:20 |
hunger | Lure: WAY better than klaptopwhatever. | 07:20 |
mornfall | Lure: kpowersave works (it's a bit rough at times, but works :) | 07:20 |
Lure | hunger: did you upgrade yesterday (and follow instructions on wiki!) | 07:21 |
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hunger | Lure: I am updating now. | 07:21 |
Lure | hunger: do not forget to do the fineprint steps (to remove divert for acpid) | 07:22 |
mornfall | Lure: yes, that was a nasty surprize | 07:22 |
mornfall | Lure: why can't it be done by maintainerscripts, anyway? | 07:22 |
Lure | I did not want to complicate packages and since that version (with divert) was not widely used... | 07:23 |
mornfall | lame :P | 07:24 |
mornfall | Lure: you maintain kpowersave in debian too? | 07:24 |
Lure | no, mbiebl does | 07:25 |
mornfall | ah | 07:25 |
mornfall | the divert thing broke in debian too | 07:25 |
Lure | he is doing great job, not leaving much work for us ;-) | 07:25 |
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Lure | mornfall: is debian also using divert? I though mbiebl did that only for ubuntu | 07:25 |
mornfall | Lure: hmm! so maybe your package broke my system | 07:26 |
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mornfall | :] | 07:26 |
Lure | mornfall: it was mbiebl's package that Tonio_ uploaded to his repo | 07:26 |
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Tm_T | hmm | 07:26 |
mornfall | whoever | 07:26 |
mornfall | it's all their fault | 07:26 |
mornfall | it took me minutes to figure | 07:27 |
hunger | If this is meant to be tested, why is it not in dapper yet? | 07:27 |
hunger | dapper is a development version after all. all the update junkies should know how to fix their system if it breaks. | 07:27 |
Lure | hunger: waiting for 0.6 kpowersave release (maybe today) and some early adopters feedback | 07:27 |
cmvo | Riddell: I installed koffice-15rc1 on dapper and kde 3.5.2. Nothing major to report. KWord doesn't like documents created with kword 1.2.1 and mixes up the z-order of frames. | 07:27 |
Lure | then I hope we can get UVF exception | 07:27 |
kmon | Lure: When will knetworkmanager will enter dapper? | 07:28 |
Lure | Tonio_: installed kio-beagle, but beagle:/ redirects me to locate:beagle:/ | 07:28 |
Lure | kmon: soon - they just resolved n-m build issue that prevented us to build it with VPN | 07:28 |
hunger | Is there a way to get a list of "protocols" supported by konqui (aka. a list of ioslaves). | 07:28 |
Lure | kmon: there might be a source update today (as SuSE has RC1) that we might include | 07:29 |
kmon | Lure: sounds great | 07:29 |
Tonio_ | Lure: you need to restart kde | 07:29 |
Tonio_ | don't ask me why, but it doesn't work "out of the box" | 07:29 |
Lure | Tonio_: ok, will do, but not yet... ;-) | 07:29 |
Riddell | cmvo: dapper, i386? | 07:29 |
Tonio_ | Lure: once done, woks like a charm | 07:29 |
cmvo | Riddell: Yup | 07:30 |
Riddell | cmvo: great, thanks. you should report the kword problems to bugs.kde.org | 07:30 |
Tm_T | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/625341 | 07:30 |
Tm_T | hmm, lintian gave nice bunch of errors and warnings | 07:31 |
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kmon | I'm also testing kde 3.5.2, everything seems to be ok | 07:34 |
Riddell | kmon: dapper, i386? | 07:35 |
kmon | Riddell: amd64 | 07:35 |
kmon | dapper | 07:35 |
Riddell | ooh, even better :) | 07:35 |
Lure | Tonio_: kio-beagle - nice... | 07:35 |
kmon | Riddell: on 2 different machines, a laptop and a desktop pc | 07:35 |
Tonio_ | Lure: works nicelly no ? | 07:36 |
Tonio_ | of course it cannot compete with kerry | 07:36 |
Tonio_ | that's a kio, not an app | 07:36 |
Tonio_ | but I find it nice :) | 07:37 |
Lure | Tonio_: it is great for file management | 07:37 |
Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 07:37 |
Lure | Tonio_: and photo management (need to check if beagle support EXIF/IPTC) | 07:37 |
Tonio_ | Lure: absolutly | 07:37 |
Tonio_ | well, it is very nice to me | 07:38 |
Tonio_ | we should have that "at least" in universe :) | 07:38 |
hunger | Why does xmms get installed on upgrade to kde352? Seems like one of the kicker applets drags that in. | 07:38 |
Tonio_ | that's why I need reviewers :) | 07:38 |
Tonio_ | xmms ??????? | 07:38 |
Tonio_ | isn't that in multiverse ? | 07:38 |
cmvo | Riddell: In kde kicker behaved wierd twice: no longer centered but moved to the left, not unhinding any longer. I had to change the config to get the desired behaviour back. Hasn't happened again since I changed away from crytal, but I don't know if it is related. | 07:39 |
hunger | Tonio_: Yeap, including libgtk1.2:-( | 07:39 |
Riddell | cmvo: I think kicker has had some changes in kde 3.5.2 | 07:39 |
Tonio_ | hunger: what ? kio-beagle ? | 07:39 |
Tonio_ | hunger if yes, ask for canonical to split their packages :) | 07:39 |
Tonio_ | it is not my fault is the beagle daemon requires libgtk ;) | 07:40 |
hunger | Tonio_: Nope, kicker-applets from kde352 drags that in. | 07:40 |
kmon | hunger: do you have superkaramba installed? | 07:40 |
Tonio_ | hunger: hu ? wow..... | 07:40 |
Riddell | hmm, I'm sure I removed xmms necessity | 07:40 |
hunger | kmon: Nope. | 07:41 |
kmon | because superkaramba depends on xmms.... :( | 07:41 |
hunger | kmon: I never see my desktop, so I will not waste resources on desktop applets. | 07:41 |
kmon | hunger: ok | 07:41 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I have 3.5.2 and no xmms installed :) | 07:41 |
Lure | Riddell: kicker-applets is in rdepends of xmms | 07:41 |
hunger | So where is kerry? | 07:41 |
hunger | Tonio_: Just installed kio-beagle:-) | 07:42 |
cmvo | Lure: I had random lockups with a radeon card too. They disappeared after disabling dri or removing the radeonfb kernel module. | 07:42 |
hunger | Tonio_: I'd better restart X for things to take effect though;-) | 07:42 |
Tonio_ | hunger: kio-beagle comes with a bunch of gtk deps :) | 07:42 |
Tonio_ | sorry again :) | 07:42 |
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hunger | Tonio_: Yes, but that is to be expected. | 07:43 |
Lure | cmvo: I have it only on stop/start of X server (logout, new session) - not that bad, but noticable | 07:43 |
Tonio_ | hunger: could be avoid....... but beagle package isn't splitted...... | 07:43 |
hunger | Tonio_: beagle is the name of the hellhound of the gnome. | 07:43 |
Tonio_ | hunger: for just the daemon, libgtk shouldn't be required | 07:43 |
cmvo | Riddell: Ok, I'll try if I can reproduce. | 07:43 |
hunger | BRB... restarting X to get all the latest goodies. | 07:44 |
Tonio_ | hunger: okay | 07:44 |
Lure | Tonio_: should we put also kerry to your repo | 07:44 |
Tonio_ | Lure: sure | 07:44 |
Lure | or are we waiting for jpatrick to fix comments in revu? | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | if you want it to be tested | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | Lure: isn't it already uploaded ? | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | if yes, maybe better to wait a bit no ? | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | Lure: he did and uploaded | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | but both Riddell and I advocated on irc, but not on revu ;) | 07:45 |
Tonio_ | which isn't nice at all :) | 07:45 |
Lure | Tonio_: not seen on your main page... Is this not updated? | 07:46 |
Tonio_ | Lure: I think it is uploaded to ubuntu directly | 07:46 |
hunger | All looks well in kde 3.5.2 land (so far). | 07:46 |
Tonio_ | waiting in the NEW queue for elmo or kamion | 07:46 |
Tonio_ | hunger: yes, kde 3.5.2 works very nicelly | 07:46 |
Lure | Tonio_: any plans with system:/ | 07:47 |
Tonio_ | Lure: not at the moment.......... | 07:47 |
Tonio_ | nobody seems to be able to correct my crappy patch | 07:47 |
Tonio_ | we have two solutions actually | 07:47 |
Tonio_ | make my patch better or remove the system thing from the konqueror's sidebar | 07:47 |
Lure | Tonio_: I would look into, but I am scared it will take too much of my time to understand that code (and I need time for powersave polish) | 07:48 |
Tonio_ | I am not able to do better than what I already did | 07:48 |
hunger | Now that I installed kio-beagle: How do I test that (how do I configure beagle in the first place?) | 07:48 |
Tonio_ | it is over my skills | 07:48 |
cmvo | Lure: I get lockups on X server shutdown with fglrx 8.23.5, but not the ati/radeon driver. I use a R300 card. | 07:48 |
Tonio_ | Lure: that isn't an emergency anyway :) | 07:48 |
Lure | hunger: just install beagle package and it will index your home by default | 07:48 |
Tonio_ | just as long as we have that in mind for the release | 07:48 |
hunger | Lure: I do not want my home indexed! | 07:49 |
Tonio_ | Lure: you need to launch beagle manually the first time, or reboot | 07:49 |
Lure | cmvo: I get X shutdown lockups with fglrx (100%) and ati (20% probability) | 07:49 |
Tonio_ | Lure: and even, I don't think beagle autostarts......... | 07:49 |
Tonio_ | that's strange | 07:49 |
Tonio_ | is it in a cron ? | 07:50 |
Lure | Tonio_: probably - I started it through kerry the first time | 07:50 |
Tonio_ | I though it was an init.d daemon, but that's not | 07:50 |
Lure | Tonio_: it autostarts on my system | 07:50 |
Lure | not sure where | 07:50 |
Tonio_ | Lure: hum......... | 07:50 |
kmon | Lure: what gfx card do you have? x700? | 07:50 |
Lure | maybe kerry kick-it-off | 07:50 |
hunger | Where does beagle store its index? | 07:50 |
Lure | kmon: ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express | 07:51 |
Lure | Tonio_: kerry is running in sys tray | 07:51 |
kmon | I have an x700 and suffer the same weird X error's | 07:51 |
Tonio_ | Lure: nice ;) | 07:51 |
hunger | So where can I get kerry? | 07:51 |
Tonio_ | Lure: anyway, I don't understand the way beagle starts..... | 07:51 |
Tonio_ | because the kio requires beagled to run | 07:51 |
Lure | hunger: ~/.beagle? | 07:51 |
hunger | kmon: I actually suspect a kernel problem. | 07:52 |
Tonio_ | and on my computer at least, it doesn't autostart | 07:52 |
Lure | hunger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198 | 07:52 |
hunger | Lure: Oh, good. I was afraid it would write it someplace that is not encrypted. | 07:52 |
kmon | wouldn't it be better for kat 0.7? | 07:52 |
hunger | Lure: Nah, no debs there:-) | 07:52 |
Lure | just source - I can build one and upload to Tonio_s | 07:52 |
Lure | ;-) | 07:52 |
kmon | wouldn't it be better to wait for kat 0.7? | 07:53 |
hunger | kmon: IMHO yes... but since the crowd is all headed for beagle I'll just follow. | 07:53 |
Lure | I would preffer kat, but beagle is here now and it seems to work | 07:53 |
Tonio_ | Lure: apart from the ausostart feature :) | 07:53 |
Tonio_ | let me reboot and test ;) | 07:54 |
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hunger | Wow, beagle renews my faith in gnome software: Endless list of stack-traces scolling by. | 07:54 |
Lure | hunger: check ps -ef | grep exe ;-) | 07:55 |
hunger | Lure: I do not mind names... but stack traces usually are a sign of something being seriously messed up. | 07:55 |
hunger | the kcontrol replacement is got really nice in dapper by the way. Kudos to whoever fixed it up. | 07:57 |
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hunger | You know what I really find strange? | 07:58 |
hunger | That arts takes more cpu time when not doing anything than beagle when it indexes stuff. | 07:59 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: beagled doesn't autostart, would you suggest adding an autostart feature to the kio-beagle package ? | 08:03 |
hunger | kio-beagle seems to work... it does not find anything, but I guess that is due to the index still being generated. | 08:03 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: that's not very, very nice, but actually, the kio isn't really usable...... | 08:03 |
Tonio_ | cause you have to launch beagle everytime you boot | 08:03 |
Tonio_ | hunger: does beagle autostart for you ? | 08:03 |
Tonio_ | hunger: I have to launch it manually everytime I boot....... | 08:04 |
Tonio_ | beagled | 08:04 |
hunger | Tonio_: Dunno... I started beagled manually. | 08:04 |
Tonio_ | hunger: that's my problem :) | 08:04 |
hunger | Tonio_: Dropping a file into /usr/share/autostart should fix that. | 08:04 |
Riddell | Tonio_: how does gnome start it? | 08:04 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm asking :) | 08:05 |
hunger | Riddell: Gnome drops a file into /etc/xdg/autostart. | 08:05 |
Tonio_ | hunger: then we should do the ame | 08:05 |
Tonio_ | same | 08:05 |
Riddell | yep | 08:05 |
hunger | Riddell: Why is the autostart folder in /usr by the way? | 08:05 |
Tonio_ | kerry autostart it probably | 08:05 |
Lure | Tonio_: I think so... | 08:06 |
hunger | Riddell: That is not OK with the FHS, is it? | 08:06 |
Riddell | hunger: because that's where it's always been, the standard is still being worked on but was started after 3.5 | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm adding a script in /usr/share/autostart | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | or maybe a .desktop file is better....... | 08:06 |
Riddell | Tonio_: script? .desktop is the way | 08:06 |
hunger | Tonio_: Just copy the desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart. | 08:06 |
Riddell | yeah | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, yes, I was confused, sorry :) | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | hunger: yep, I'm adding that to the kio-beagle package | 08:07 |
hunger | Tonio_: ... making sure it is OnlyShowIn KDE (or however that is written. | 08:07 |
hunger | Tonio_: Hmmm... won't that conflict with kerry then? | 08:07 |
Tonio_ | hunger: you mean ? | 08:07 |
Tonio_ | hunger: I assume kerry starts beagled if not already started :) | 08:07 |
hunger | Tonio_: If both Gnome and kde end up in the same dir again... then we want to avoid confusion, don't we? | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | hunger: hum........ | 08:08 |
hunger | Tonio_: Leave it out and I will file a bugreport about it;-) | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | well.... what will happen if you use gnome and have autostart in both /usr/share/autostart and /usr/xdg/autostart | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | I assume nothing | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | beagled cannot be run twice | 08:09 |
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hunger | Tonio_: Well, we should try to be clean... even if our little brothers do not always play fair;-) | 08:10 |
Tonio_ | hunger: then what would you suggest ? | 08:11 |
hunger | Tonio_: Adding a OnlyShowIn KDE into our file. | 08:11 |
Tonio_ | hunger: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;) | 08:11 |
Tonio_ | didn't knew that .desktop option :) | 08:12 |
hunger | Tonio_: Then Gnome ignores it... they will have OnlyShowIn Gnome in theirs I think, so they play fine with kde (or they should have;-) | 08:12 |
Lure | hunger: kerry is already in kubuntu.no-ip.org repository - enjoy | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | OnlyShowIn=GNOME; | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | hunger: confirmed | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | hunger: shouldn't they remove that ? | 08:13 |
Tonio_ | it is a daemon | 08:13 |
hunger | Tonio_: Actually that should be in all desktop files installed by kde in /usr/share/autostart | 08:13 |
Tonio_ | no reason it doesn't start or kde too no ? | 08:13 |
hunger | Tonio_: Won't do no good. | 08:13 |
hunger | Tonio_: KDE does not look in /etc/xdg/autostart last time I checked. | 08:14 |
Tonio_ | hunger: okay | 08:14 |
Tonio_ | but for the future, I think beagled should autostart for "gnome only" | 08:14 |
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hunger | Searching for several search terms does not work, does it? | 08:16 |
hunger | is there a way to see what beagle has indexed? Which file formats it handles, etc.? | 08:20 |
hunger | And exspecially whether beagle is done indexing all the stuff. | 08:22 |
Lure | hunger: just separate with spaces for multi search | 08:23 |
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hunger | Lure: Yeap, I think it is just that beagle did not get round to index much. | 08:23 |
Tonio_ | hunger: thanks for the ShowOnly option :)that will also help in the knetworkmanager package :) | 08:24 |
hunger | Tonio_: I filed *LOTS* of bugs about that missing before. | 08:25 |
Tonio_ | hunger: well, I never saw that in any documentation | 08:25 |
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Tonio_ | hunger: ? strange..... | 08:27 |
Tonio_ | works for me | 08:27 |
Tonio_ | maybe its beagle support is incomplete........ | 08:27 |
Tonio_ | any example of typicall search that fail ? | 08:27 |
hunger | Tonio_: I enter daap kde into kerry and get two links. | 08:27 |
hunger | Tonio_: Entering beagle:daap kde into konq gives an empty result set. | 08:28 |
Tonio_ | maybe it doesn't support multiwords search | 08:28 |
hunger | Tonio_: kio-beagle does not find daap even on its own. | 08:28 |
hunger | Tonio_: Thinking about it: kerry finds links to webpages... maybe kio-beagle can not display those. | 08:29 |
Tonio_ | hunger: that's possible | 08:30 |
Tonio_ | a kio is generally only able to display files and folders :) | 08:30 |
Tonio_ | okay, new kio-beagle should be on my repo and revu in 5 minutes | 08:30 |
Tonio_ | with the autostart feature | 08:30 |
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Riddell | mornfall: how does adept_installer decide if something is KDE or Gnome? | 08:36 |
hunger | AUTSCH! | 08:39 |
seaLne | check if it has a g or a k in its name? :) | 08:39 |
Lure | Tonio_: I am thinking on anouncing test repo for powersave on forums (want more feedback) | 08:39 |
Tonio_ | Lure: do it :) | 08:40 |
marseillai | Tonio_: ! ;) j'y suis dja | 08:40 |
hunger | I've been wondering why OOo is behaving so strangly for the last couple of days... | 08:40 |
Tonio_ | I have enough bandwidth | 08:40 |
Tonio_ | marseillai: arf ;) | 08:40 |
hunger | ... and just noticed that It did not: I have been using kword all the time. | 08:40 |
Tonio_ | hunger: I'm dreaming of the day we will be able to remove OOo and put koffice by default in kubuntu :) | 08:42 |
Tonio_ | OOo isn't well integrated even with the qt bindings | 08:42 |
Tonio_ | and it's UI ressembles too much to a microsoft application :) | 08:42 |
Tonio_ | realy, it is like a mirror of msoffice actually......... | 08:42 |
Tonio_ | nothing original | 08:43 |
Tonio_ | a pure clone...... | 08:43 |
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Tonio_ | Lure: any info concerning wpasupplicant in main ? | 08:45 |
Tonio_ | cause Ican't do anything with knm actually because of that....... | 08:46 |
Lure | Kamion approved Siretart today to upload new package (since Keybuk is on vacation) | 08:46 |
Tonio_ | Lure: great | 08:46 |
Tonio_ | so everything should be fine in one or two days ? | 08:46 |
Lure | Siretart asked pitti to promove wpasupplicant to main, but I did not see response (my machine hung) | 08:46 |
Tonio_ | Lure: okay, good news :) | 08:47 |
Tonio_ | so we have to focus on the new tarball for knm, and making kmplayer approved and uploaded | 08:47 |
Tonio_ | then eventually ask for main inclusion since Riddell is interested in kmplayer by default in dapper on the konqueror part | 08:48 |
Riddell | what's the status of kmplayer? | 08:48 |
Lure | Tonio_: was knm package already REVued? | 08:48 |
seaLne | can anyone with koffice 1.5 try opening an html file in kword? it hung for me | 08:48 |
Tonio_ | Lure: well, impossible to revu it since it ftbfs ;) | 08:48 |
Riddell | seaLne: works for me in kword 1.5 rc 1 | 08:49 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: any reason cdrdao isn't in main ? | 08:49 |
Tonio_ | because k3b is almost unsuable without it...... | 08:50 |
Tonio_ | shouldn't we provide cdrdao with k3b ? | 08:50 |
Riddell | Tonio_: it is in main | 08:50 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't k3b depend on cdrdao then ? | 08:50 |
Riddell | Tonio_: it recommends it | 08:51 |
Riddell | and cdrdao is on the CD | 08:51 |
Riddell | hello fxdarkplayer | 08:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but as everyone installs it...... | 08:51 |
Tonio_ | I just wonder why not simply making a dep on it | 08:51 |
Riddell | Tonio_: because you can use k3b without it, everyone did in breezy | 08:51 |
fxdarkplayer | hello everybody | 08:52 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 08:52 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: interested in revuing kmplayer ? | 08:59 |
Tonio_ | raphink is unavailable, so ^^ | 08:59 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: did you have the kde beagle build for ppc also? | 08:59 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: nope, I can't test | 09:00 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: can you ? | 09:00 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: i can, but do i need to build 50 packages? :) | 09:00 |
Lure | hunger: can you (and others) report your system in this table: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave | 09:01 |
Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 09:01 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: nope, all dependancies are available for ppc | 09:01 |
Tonio_ | just pbuild the sources from my repo, and that should do the job :) | 09:02 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks :) | 09:02 |
Lure | robotgeek: beagle should be in offical repo, you just need kerry/kio-beagle build | 09:02 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: cool, where is your repo again? | 09:02 |
Tonio_ | http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 09:03 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: good catch for no-ip | 09:03 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: hehe, I was surprised it wasn't already used :) | 09:04 |
Riddell | Tonio_: I see a file kmplayer-app.install but no kmplayer-app in debian/control | 09:04 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, true I need to correct this | 09:05 |
Tonio_ | it is correct on my repo, but Ididn't update revu....... sorry | 09:05 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: gimme a minute | 09:06 |
Riddell | Tonio_: why does it need to be split into different packages? | 09:06 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: tobe able to install just the embedded player without installing the standard one | 09:07 |
Tonio_ | and that's the way upstream provided his debian package also | 09:07 |
Tonio_ | even though it was horrible | 09:07 |
Riddell | we can't build-dep on libgstreamer0.8-dev | 09:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, let me update the revu package with my latest one :) | 09:08 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: you don't have latest version actually :) I missed the revu update | 09:08 |
mornfall | Riddell: the suite tag IIRC | 09:12 |
mornfall | Riddell: right, suite::{kde,gnome} | 09:15 |
mornfall | either way, i'll go get some sleep now | 09:18 |
mornfall | gn | 09:18 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: doesn't build is you have automake1.4 and automake1.9 installed | 09:19 |
Riddell | night mornfall | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: do you use pbuilder ? | 09:20 |
Riddell | robotgeek: don't install automake1.4? | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | mornfall: nite : | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | :) | 09:20 |
robotgeek | Riddell: i removed it, and it's building | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2210 | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | this one should be the good one ;) | 09:20 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: hmm, not that good at building stuff. fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage does it for me :) | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry for that error :) | 09:20 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: I know automake is dirty, but I need to use it since I can't touch the tarball ;) | 09:21 |
Tonio_ | policy requirement | 09:21 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: pbuilder is much easier than anuthing else for package builder | 09:21 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: hmm, okay. don't worry though, it seems to be building | 09:21 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: okay ;) | 09:21 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: hmm, maybe i'll learn for our next dev cycle :) | 09:22 |
jjesse | what is the easiest way to get debian installed with kde on it? just install debian and make it a desktop or is there a better way? | 09:22 |
Riddell | I've not installed debian in a long time | 09:22 |
seaLne | that works | 09:22 |
seaLne | or basic install then kde | 09:23 |
jjesse | how big of a virtual machine will i need? | 09:23 |
seaLne | 4 or 5? | 09:23 |
Riddell | Tonio_: there's still no kmplayer-app in debian/control | 09:24 |
Riddell | Tonio_: does it need kmplayer-base? why not just make them part of kmplayer/ | 09:24 |
Riddell | s/\//\?/ | 09:24 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, because kmplayer-app.install is removed | 09:24 |
Tonio_ | the goal is to have kmplayer-base | 09:24 |
Tonio_ | then kmplayer, the standard player, and kmplayer-konq-plugin | 09:25 |
Tonio_ | both depending kmplayer-base | 09:25 |
Tonio_ | this is the way you can install just the plugin without the standard player | 09:25 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that fine ? | 09:25 |
Tonio_ | hum........... didn't I removed that kmplayer-app.install ??????, | 09:26 |
Tonio_ | strange.... | 09:26 |
Riddell | there's still kmplayer-app.install and kmplayer-app.menu | 09:27 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: it comes from the tarball........ | 09:27 |
Tonio_ | I need to remove crappy debian folder in it | 09:27 |
Riddell | aah, yes | 09:27 |
Tonio_ | that's why | 09:28 |
Riddell | evil tar has a debian/ dir | 09:28 |
Tonio_ | let me change this | 09:28 |
Riddell | remake the .orig then | 09:28 |
Tonio_ | yup | 09:28 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: simple question, how do i start/test | 09:29 |
robotgeek | i found some setting in Kmenu -> Settings | 09:30 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: testing with new orig with pbuilder and reuploading, I will let you know | 09:30 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: yes and ? | 09:31 |
Tonio_ | I don't understand your question :) | 09:31 |
Tonio_ | wanna test kio-beagle ? | 09:31 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: how do i start searching? it doesn't popup a window/anything after that | 09:31 |
Tonio_ | restart kde for kio to be loaded | 09:31 |
Tonio_ | and use it as a kio :) | 09:31 |
Tonio_ | beagle:/foo in konqueror | 09:32 |
Tonio_ | but you may have to wait a bit for beagle index to contain enough entries to make searches | 09:32 |
robotgeek | i always forget to restart kde :) | 09:33 |
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Lure | raphink blog was noticed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150867 | 09:38 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: beagle seems to be indexing now, i guess i will report back soon | 09:42 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: thanks a lot ;) | 09:42 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: is it possible to set the icon size is system tray ? | 09:43 |
Tonio_ | it stacks a bit with kde 3.5.2 | 09:43 |
Tonio_ | size should be reduced a bit........ I will searchhow to set this | 09:44 |
Tonio_ | same setting than in applauncher should be settable | 09:44 |
Lure | allee: seen your report on powersave - do you use the latest one 0.12.7? | 09:45 |
Lure | allee: I think cpu freq scaling is behaving better | 09:45 |
allee | Lure: Hi, yes 0.12.7-1ubuntu1, updated this morning. | 09:46 |
Lure | interesting | 09:46 |
Lure | will test this a bit more... | 09:46 |
allee | Lure: Not I've not. Last thursday I realized that kpowersave cpufreq-info -f (and -w) disagree with /proc/cpuinfo. I'll try again ... | 09:47 |
Riddell | Tonio_: it's possible but 16x16 icons there are too small | 09:49 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: 24 is nice | 09:49 |
Tonio_ | it is the size I use with applauncher | 09:50 |
Riddell | kde doesn't use 24, it uses 22 | 09:50 |
Tonio_ | hum....... what is the size for applauncher ? | 09:50 |
Tonio_ | 20 maybe...... | 09:50 |
Riddell | 16 | 09:50 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, it is set to 16 for me | 09:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: is that too little for you ? looks nice to me ;) | 09:51 |
Tonio_ | looks nicer that having them stacking at the screen bottom...... just my two cents :) | 09:52 |
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superstoned | kio-beagle and kerry now both have /usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop so dpkg complains... | 09:52 |
Lure | Tonio_: | 09:52 |
Lure | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-beagle_0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 09:52 |
Lure | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry | 09:52 |
superstoned | i beat you, Lure :D | 09:52 |
superstoned | lol | 09:52 |
Tonio_ | superstoned: ah ? | 09:53 |
Lure | superstoned: ;-) | 09:53 |
superstoned | Lure Tonio_: :D | 09:53 |
Tonio_ | Lure: that's why the .desktop should be provided by the beagle package........ | 09:53 |
Tonio_ | can't we ask maintainer to do that ? | 09:53 |
superstoned | but beagle:/ doesn't work for me | 09:53 |
superstoned | still | 09:53 |
Lure | Tonio_: you have just volunteered... ;-) | 09:53 |
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Tonio_ | Lure: hehe :) | 09:54 |
Tonio_ | okay, I'll do ;) | 09:54 |
superstoned | (after installing and getting beagle running, kerry works, but beagle:/ in konqi just brings me to google...) | 09:54 |
Tonio_ | Lure: better is to put NoDisplay=true in it also | 09:55 |
Tonio_ | no need for an entry in kmenu for this I think | 09:55 |
Lure | Is this the one which gets in System (the only one)? | 09:57 |
Tonio_ | superstoned: did you restart kde ? | 09:57 |
Lure | s/System/Settings/ | 09:57 |
Tonio_ | that's a requirement | 09:57 |
Tonio_ | Lure: I will send an email to beagle's maintainer asking for a desktop entry in /usr/share/autostart | 09:58 |
Lure | Tonio_: while doing that, ask also to split package to base + gnome shit ;-) | 09:59 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: hmm, initial indexing seems very nice | 09:59 |
Lure | if n-m did it, they can also do it ;-) | 09:59 |
Tonio_ | Lure: no chance for this.......; | 09:59 |
Tonio_ | Lure: n-m did it because we did the package :) | 10:00 |
Lure | I know - mono - it speaks for itself ;-) | 10:00 |
Lure | we are lucky that f-spot and banshee were not part of it... ;-) | 10:00 |
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Lure | ;-) | 10:01 |
robotgeek | Tonio_: it seems to be workig fine for kmail text messages, but if it has non text attachements, it's not opening/messing up | 10:01 |
robotgeek | maybe i should wait till indexing completes, might take ages. :) | 10:02 |
Tonio_ | robotgeek: unfortunatelly yes ;) | 10:06 |
robotgeek | where do file bugs on your packages :) | 10:06 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: there's an issue with revu........ it rejects my rebuilt tarball...... | 10:13 |
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Tonio_ | Lure: slomo is adding the desktop file in the begle package :) | 10:14 |
Tonio_ | we have to wait a bit | 10:14 |
Lure | Tonio_: great | 10:14 |
Tonio_ | Lure: I'm testing the splitted package asking :) | 10:15 |
Lure | ;-) maybe he has a good day | 10:15 |
Lure | and we are lucky | 10:16 |
Tonio_ | Lure: will be uploaded in a few minutes :) | 10:16 |
Tonio_ | so we can remove that desktop file in the package | 10:17 |
Tonio_ | but we should do that in kerry too :) | 10:17 |
Lure | Tonio_: fine with me | 10:17 |
Tonio_ | Lure: if you see jpatrick before me, can you ask him to remove that from his package ? | 10:17 |
Lure | ok, will do | 10:18 |
Tonio_ | make a 0ubuntu2 and reupload | 10:18 |
Riddell | Tonio_: what does it say is the problem? | 10:18 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: because the orig version is the same, it doesn't consider it and keeps the old one, crappy, with debian/ folder | 10:18 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm asking for package nuking | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | but no revu admin is available...... | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: are you revu admin ? | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | raphink is, but not here.... | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | that's a known problem on revu....... | 10:20 |
Riddell | tsk | 10:22 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: slomo looking at it | 10:23 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: slomo isn't very hot for nuking the package........ need to wait for siretart | 10:27 |
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Tonio_ | or raphink maybe.... | 10:28 |
superstoned | tonio: no, i'll try that in a minute. | 10:28 |
Tonio_ | superstoned: that's the reason | 10:28 |
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superstoned | ok | 10:29 |
superstoned | tnx | 10:29 |
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hunger | So far I have not seen any negative effects of using kde 3.5.2... | 11:13 |
hunger | Tonio_: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry | 11:17 |
hunger | Tonio_: When updating kio-beagle. | 11:17 |
Tonio_ | hunger: yes, known issue, slomo added the desktop file directly in beagle package | 11:18 |
Tonio_ | I have upadted the package on revu, it doesn't have the issue | 11:18 |
Lure | hunger: can you report your powersave experience to KubuntuPowersave wiki page? | 11:18 |
Tonio_ | hunger: I'm updating the package on my repo | 11:19 |
Tonio_ | we will have to update kerry also | 11:19 |
Tonio_ | because it will crate a conflict with beagle | 11:19 |
Tonio_ | already seen a video of skyos ??????? | 11:31 |
Tonio_ | quite impressive :) | 11:31 |
Lure | ? | 11:32 |
Tonio_ | http://www.skyos.org/media/videos/mediastation/presentation.html | 11:32 |
Tonio_ | look at that :) | 11:32 |
Tonio_ | it is a proprietary os in developpement | 11:32 |
Tonio_ | amazing, really :) | 11:32 |
Tonio_ | Lure: i is mostly developped by ONE guy | 11:33 |
Tonio_ | a genius for sure....... | 11:33 |
Tonio_ | the only thing he didn't dvelopp is icons :) | 11:34 |
Tonio_ | taken from kde | 11:34 |
Tonio_ | the amazing thing is that it can NATIVELLY work with both windows and linux applications :) | 11:35 |
Tonio_ | sounds completly crazy, but that's it | 11:35 |
Tonio_ | Lure: correction : it WAS supposed to be native, but it isn't :) | 11:41 |
Riddell | do we know Yuriy Kozlov? | 11:41 |
Tonio_ | hehe, anyway, that's quite impressive | 11:41 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: never heard about | 11:41 |
Riddell | he's been doing a fair bit of kubuntu bug triage | 11:41 |
Lure | Riddell: seen many bug work by him, but no | 11:42 |
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Riddell | I'll send him an e-mail | 11:47 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm testing kaffeine 0.8 and finally there are interesting features in it :) | 12:02 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: while we may use kmplayer for konq, are you still interested with 0.8 version ? | 12:03 |
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