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raphinkthere's something weird btw apachelogger12:03
raphinkI don't see kblogger on ppc12:03
raphinkah! it was renamed12:05
raphinkhehe12:05
raphinkapachelogger: did you request a UVFe ?12:05
Riddelldanimo: we can try, find someone to package it and ask for UVF exception12:05
apacheloggerraphink: not yet12:05
raphinkok12:06
raphinkplease do12:06
apacheloggerraphink: Tonio_ though I should just file a bug instead of mail the list12:06
raphinkfile a bugt12:06
apacheloggertherefore a diffstat would be usefull ;-)12:06
raphinkattach the diffstat12:06
raphinkand the changelog12:06
Tonio_apachelogger: file a bug, assign it to the good launchpad group12:06
Tonio_that will mail the list automatically12:06
raphinkexplain why it should be added12:06
raphinkand assign the bug to motu-uvf12:06
raphinkTonio_: :p12:06
apacheloggerah12:07
apacheloggergot it :D12:07
apacheloggerthough the diffstat is kinda useless12:07
=== Tonio_ is testing the patch for kmplayer, to use default config file
raphinkhehe :)12:07
=== raphink is building kdelibs with the pach for lisa
=== Lure will wait for results, even though he is half sleeping... ;)
raphinkcrossing fingers hoping it will work this time12:07
=== raphink is building kblogger on tiber
apacheloggerhooray :)12:10
Lureraphink: there is new powersave - can you build for ppc?12:10
Tonio_Lure: plugin works :)12:10
raphinkLure: sure12:10
raphinkif you have the source12:10
LureTonio_: nice, now I deserve some sleep ;-)12:10
raphinkand when I'm done with my bugfix12:10
Tonio_Lure: hehe12:10
Tonio_Lure: I have learned something today, thanks :)12:10
Lureraphink: source is in Tonio_'s repo12:11
raphinkok12:11
Lurei386 packages too12:11
raphinkthen ;)12:11
Tonio_Riddell: kmplayer now working fine, do you want me to create default config for kmplayer plugin in k-d-s ?12:11
Tonio_raphink: wait a bit, changelog polishing needed :)12:11
raphinkok12:11
raphinkI'll wait12:11
raphinknp12:11
Lureok, good night everybody12:12
raphinknight Lure12:13
RiddellTonio_: what does the default config go?12:13
Tonio_Lure: nite and thanks :)12:13
Riddells/go/do/12:13
Tonio_Riddell: make usage of xine by default12:13
Tonio_and make kmplayer prior to kaffeine12:13
Tonio_that needs tobe done in k-d-s12:13
Tonio_no way to set it somewhere else12:14
Tonio_Riddell: by default the latest installed is prior, which isn't very convenient12:14
Tonio_Riddell: I can force file association in k-d-s12:15
raphinkapachelogger: when/if the UVFe is approved, I'm ok with this package12:15
Tonio_but kmplayer is way better than kaffeine on the embedded part........ uncomparable12:15
apacheloggerraphink: well, what todo with the diffstat?12:16
apacheloggerattach as is?12:16
raphinkapachelogger: is the debdiff really huge?12:16
Tonio_apachelogger: yes12:16
raphinkI'd say yes apachelogger12:16
apacheloggernope12:16
apacheloggersecond12:16
raphinkand I'd really enjoy it if upstream devs would provide the image sources too :)12:16
raphinkand build the images into pngs in the Makefiles12:17
raphink:)12:17
apacheloggerdebidff is 310kb12:17
raphinkso we have _real_ opensource 12:17
raphinkyes that's too huge apachelogger12:17
Tonio_we need so many main inclusion.......... pfiuuuuuuu12:17
raphinkis the changelog verboses enough ?12:17
apacheloggerok :)12:17
apacheloggerraphink: not really, though the changes are mainly just redesigned / imported stuff12:17
raphinkok12:18
raphinklet's see12:18
RiddellTonio_: I wonder if making it use xine should be done in the package, since xine is in main and mplayer is in multiverse12:18
raphinkwell i'll have a look at it later12:18
Tonio_Riddell: that is done in the package12:18
raphinkTonio_: ping me when powersave is ready to build12:18
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Tonio_the "prior to kaffeine" needs to be done in k-d-s12:18
Tonio_Riddell: the package already forces xine by default12:18
RiddellTonio_: groovy12:18
Riddellthen yeah, a patch for k-d-s would be good12:18
Tonio_Riddell: but I had to patch since the default config was only read by the standard player, not the embedded.......12:19
Tonio_Riddell: lure found the clue :)12:19
Tonio_raphink: you can build powersave, lure has acces to my repo and uploaded it12:19
Tonio_Riddell: wouldn't it be interesting tohave a testing/experimental repo ?12:19
Tonio_Riddell: as you an see, everyone works on mine actually, but the bandwidth may not be enough in a few weeks :)12:20
raphinkTonio_: ok12:20
Tonio_raphink: you can apt-get source kmplayer in 5 minutes12:21
raphinkok12:22
raphinkwell I need to finishing building kdelibs12:22
tomaraphink: successfull build earlier?12:22
raphinktoma: no, I had forgotten to add #include <qlabel.h>12:23
raphinkno I have added and I'm building again12:23
raphinkhopefully it will work12:23
tomaok12:23
raphinkgood occasion to learn C++ a bit12:23
raphink:)12:23
raphinkcan be useful12:23
tomayeah ;-), it is not that difficullt ;-)12:23
raphinkand Qt in particular12:23
raphinktoma: yes, when you get into it I'm sure :)12:23
Tonio_Riddell: if you're interested for wlassistant replacing kwifimanager, shouldn't we revu it ?12:23
Tonio_raphink: interested ?12:24
raphinkin what?12:24
Tonio_revuing wlassistant, because it can potentially replace kwifimanager12:24
raphinkwell not right now12:25
raphinkbecause I'm busy12:25
raphinkand I have no wifi anyway so I can't test it12:25
Tonio_as networkmanager/knetwirkmanager isn't installed by default with the install cd12:25
Tonio_(for what I know)12:25
RiddellTonio_: certainly should12:27
RiddellTonio_: please put it up there12:28
Tonio_Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=219112:29
apacheloggerraphink: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kblogger/+bug/36787 shall I attach anything else?12:34
UbugtuMalone bug 36787 in kblogger kicker-kblogger "UVF Exception 0.4.1 -> 0.5" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  12:34
raphinktoma: it fails again12:38
raphinkit has to return a KCModule12:38
Tonio_Riddell: k-d-s ready, do you want it by mail ?12:38
tomaraphink: yep, as i noted earlier12:39
raphinkyep12:39
raphinkmaybe I could create a KCModule variable with my text in it12:39
tomaraphink: take a look at http://pastebin.com/62362812:41
raphinkyes12:41
raphinkI know that12:41
tomaat the end you see reportError returns a KCMError with the error12:41
raphinkKCMError obviously returns a KCModule12:42
raphinkthat contains the text12:42
tomathat is what you want isn\t it?12:42
raphinkI guess12:42
raphinkthat's interesting12:42
raphinkI could just return new KCMError12:42
raphinkwith the text I want12:43
tomaso you can make a second reportError, like reportErrorKUbuntu or take a shortcut and return the new KCMError12:43
RiddellTonio_: sure12:43
raphinkyes12:44
raphinkindeed12:44
Tonio_Riddell: email going right now12:44
raphinktoma: http://pastebin.com/62403212:44
Tonio_Riddell: and if you want to test kmplayer, simply install kmplayer-konq-plugin from my repo12:44
Tonio_raphink: you know what?12:45
tomaraphink: right12:45
raphinkTonio_: what?12:45
Tonio_the best kde based distro ever ;)12:45
raphinkhehe12:45
raphink:)12:45
Tonio_we're gonna do it ;)12:45
raphinkI hope so :)12:45
Tonio_hehe12:45
raphinkand I'm gonna do this lisa stuff now :p12:45
raphinkI will do it12:46
raphink:)12:46
Tonio_is she blond ? ^_^12:46
raphinkhehe12:46
raphinkhmpf12:46
raphinkI don't like blond much12:46
Tonio_I mean *real* blond12:46
Tonio_my girlfriend is ;)12:46
raphinkhehe12:46
raphinkgood4you12:47
tomaraphink: but, i now recall that the module name was empty in the error, wasn't it?12:50
raphinkwait12:50
raphinkyes toma12:50
tomaso, how is that going to enter the routine then?12:50
raphinkI don't know12:51
raphinkwe'll see12:51
raphink;)12:51
raphinkI'll try and see what I can do12:51
raphink:)12:51
tomaow ok12:51
toma(so you want to build it, ignoring the fact that it will not work)12:53
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RiddellTonio_: wlassistant doesn't come with its own icons?12:54
raphinktoma: why would it not work?12:56
Tonio_Riddell: nope12:56
Riddellhow peculiar12:56
Tonio_Riddell: well, it comes with a dirty xpm one, and an svg12:56
Tonio_Riddell: but no png.........12:57
tomaraphink: well, the mod.moduleName() is empty, else it would have been visible in the current error, so it will not enter the loop with the special error12:57
Riddellanother scons package, shame kde isn't going to use scons12:57
Tonio_Riddell: that's why I added that little algo to build them12:57
raphinkah right toma12:57
raphinkgood point :)12:57
tomapfew.12:57
Tonio_Riddell: well scons makes it easy to compile, but a pain to package :)12:57
raphinkhehe sorry toma ;)12:58
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raphinkit's just a bit hard for me12:58
tomaraphink: np12:58
tomain the current error: "The desktop file %1 could not be found." is there %1 also empty?12:59
raphinkhmmmmmm01:00
raphinkit seems so01:00
raphinkand then we get "desktop" for the file name01:00
Tonio_Riddell: correction : wlassistant only comes with a dirty xpm icon, no svg ;)01:00
tomaraphink: pfew, tough01:01
raphink   lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);01:01
raphinkwhere do we get this "kcmlisa" in loadModule?01:01
raphinkKCModule* KCModuleLoader::loadModule(const KCModuleInfo &mod, ErrorReporting report, bool withfallback, QWidget * parent, const char * name, const QStringList & args )01:01
raphinkgiven that it's a KCModuleinfo type01:02
RiddellTonio_: patch it not to use ksystray command, and use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true instead of sudo01:02
Tonio_Riddell: X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true is better than kdesu ?01:03
raphinktoma: there must be a method of the module to get this info back01:03
tomaraphink: reading the api now01:03
RiddellTonio_: yes01:04
Tonio_Riddell: okay01:04
tomaraphink: try the moduleName() entry, it should work01:05
Tonio_Riddell: patch was already done (it appears I didn't upload the good version on revu)01:05
Tonio_Riddell: testing and reuploading01:05
raphinktoma: well it doesn't, we see it iin the error01:06
tomaraphink: maybe it now showing is another bug01:06
tomas/now/not/01:06
raphinkwe'll see01:07
raphinkI'll try with the moduleName()01:07
tomamaybe add some debugging01:08
raphinkhow?01:08
tomacheck and if needed a #include "kdebug.h"01:08
tomaand add a kdDebug() << "Desktop file requested " << moduleName() << " - " << fileName() << endl;01:09
RiddellTonio_: new k-d-s looks good, I'll upload01:09
tomajust before the if loop01:09
raphinkbtw01:10
raphinki18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName())01:10
raphinkis ugly01:10
raphinkit opens a p tag and doesn't close it 01:10
raphink;)01:10
tomaright. the devil is in the detail01:10
raphinkhehe01:10
raphinktoma: http://pastebin.com/62407201:12
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Tonio_Riddell: thanks :)01:13
raphinkthen I define the kubuntuLisaReportError01:13
tomaok01:13
raphinktoma: if the moduleName() call works, that should work, right?01:14
tomayes01:14
raphinkcan you try to build it ?01:15
raphinkplease :)01:15
tomayes, can you mail me the diff ?01:15
raphinkI just sent it through DCC01:16
raphinkdidn't you get it?01:16
raphinkI can send it by mail if you prefer though01:17
raphinktoma: what email ?01:17
tomait is 0 bytes01:17
tomatomalbers@kde.nl01:17
raphinkah?01:17
raphinksent toma01:19
raphinkRiddell: I just had the po files for adept and systemsettings updated in the KDE svn 01:20
raphinkhow can it be synced ?01:20
raphinktoma: did you get the mail?01:21
tomanot yet01:21
raphinkok01:21
tomagot it01:21
raphinkok :)01:22
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raphinkwb Tonio_01:23
Tonio_raphink: wb ?01:23
Tonio_welcome back ?01:23
raphinkwelcome back 01:23
tomaraphink: 'kubuntuLisaReportError' was not declared01:24
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raphinkreally?01:24
raphinkit's declared in the end01:24
raphinkoooh01:24
raphinkit has to be declared in the .h right?01:24
raphinkhuhu01:24
tomayep01:24
tomalet me do that01:24
raphinkok :)01:24
raphink    static KCModule* kubuntuLisaReportError( ErrorReporting report, const QString & text,01:25
raphink        QString details, QWidget * parent );01:25
raphinkright ?01:25
tomaexactly01:26
tomaraphink: indeed a ";" behind it, static in front and remove the class name. Very well. 10 points ;-)01:27
tomait compiles01:27
raphinkhehe :)01:28
Tonio_Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=219101:29
raphinkactually I just copied the reportError one and changed it01:29
Tonio_Riddell: should be okay now01:29
raphink:01:29
raphink:)01:29
tomaraphink: i know ;-)01:29
raphinkhehe01:29
raphinktoma: I guess I owe you some help on packaging whenever you decide to do it01:30
raphink;)01:30
tomaraphink: but it will still popup, you know that, right?01:30
raphinkwhy?01:30
tomain the caller you see a "Both" 01:31
Tonio_Riddell: would you suggest renaming to kde-wlassistant ?01:31
Tonio_the package has been rejected by elmo apparently......;01:31
Tonio_should have been uploaded already.01:31
tomain the new method you added there is a Dialog and a Inline at the bottom, my guess is that thhey are related01:31
raphinkoooh01:32
raphinkyes01:32
raphinkthat's right01:32
tomaraphink: so you could change the caller to "Inline" or change your method to comment out the messagebox01:32
raphinkI shall remove the Dialog part01:32
raphinkor call the Inline one01:32
raphinkyes01:32
tomaraphink: confirmed, see: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ei6ZN523.html01:33
tomachange it to Inline is the best solution indeed01:34
raphinkyes01:34
raphinkso just call it with 101:34
raphinkwell actually you know what?01:34
raphinkit seems I don't have to create this new function01:34
raphinkI can just call to Inline01:34
tomayep01:34
raphinkand send a custom details01:34
raphinkand that will do01:34
tomayep01:34
raphink:)01:35
raphinklet me do that :)01:35
raphinkhehe01:35
raphink:)01:36
raphinktoma: so I have to call with report & Inline instead of just report ?01:39
tomahmm, the caller no states 'Both' right?01:40
raphinkno01:40
raphink:(01:40
raphinkit says01:41
raphinkreturn reportError( report,01:41
raphink        i18n("The module %1 could not be found.")01:41
raphink        .arg( mod.moduleName() ), i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()), parent );01:41
raphinkso I don't see where I should say to not use Dialog01:41
tomano, in the caller of that method01:41
raphinkhmmm01:41
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raphink:s01:41
raphinkhow do you mean ? :'(01:42
tomalisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);01:42
raphinkah!01:42
tomalisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Inline, &tabs);01:42
raphinkwow I _really_ don't get it anymore01:43
raphinkhehe01:43
raphinkbut it's ok01:43
tomaKCModuleLoader::Inline is send to KCModuleLoader::loadModule01:44
raphinkyes01:44
raphinkas second argument 01:44
tomait is the second argument, so it is stored in 'report'01:44
raphinkfor ErrorReporting report01:44
raphinkbut then why not call it directly in KCModuleloader ?01:44
raphinkload sorry01:44
tomathat will go as first param to reportError()01:45
raphinklike01:45
raphinkreturn reportError( KCModuleLoader::Inline, blah01:46
raphinkwouldn't that work?01:46
raphinkI guess it's just dirty01:46
raphink;)01:46
tomayep01:46
raphinkas it overrdies what is sent by the caller01:46
raphinkso we lose the track of this parameter the caller sent 01:47
tomabut the next packager will search his ass of for it01:47
raphinkyes01:47
raphinkthat's right01:47
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raphinkbut then I have to modify two packages01:47
raphinkkdelibs && kdebase01:47
raphinkwhereas if I only modify the lib, only kdelibs has to be modified01:47
raphinkso it's easier01:47
tomaok, in this case you can get away with it01:47
raphinkhehe01:48
raphinkok let's try01:49
raphinkI'll send you the new patch01:49
raphinksent01:51
Tonio_raphink: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27574-Qui-veut-fabriquer-son-propre-baladeur-numer.htm01:51
Tonio_raphink: mattemoi ca ;)01:51
raphinkgrrr01:52
raphinkmy smtp fails01:52
raphinktoma: did you get it?01:53
raphinkTonio_: intressant01:53
raphinkon s'en fait un chacun dimanche prochain ? 01:53
raphinklol01:53
Tonio_raphink: ca me botte de le faire moi ;)01:53
raphink:)01:53
raphinkclair01:53
Tonio_serieux, j'ai des telephones, donc pas de soucis pour l'ecran01:53
raphink:)01:53
raphinkpareil j'ai des vieux tlphones01:54
raphinkc'est open-source le soft je suppose01:54
raphinktoma: does it work now?01:56
tomaraphink: yes, that compiles01:57
raphink:)01:57
tomaraphink: cant check if it works though01:57
raphinkok01:57
raphinkbut it builds01:57
raphinkI guess the kio would have to be rebuilt on top of this now01:57
Tonio_raphink: vi open source ;) le seul bleme, c'est la finition........... tu feras jamais un truc pro a la maison01:58
raphinkbof ;)01:58
raphinka dpend 01:58
raphinktoma: ok then I'll try to build kdelibs again01:59
tomaraphink: ok, let me know if it works.01:59
raphinkand then build kcontrol on top of it01:59
raphink:)01:59
tomabed now!01:59
raphinkI hope it does :)01:59
RiddellTonio_: wlassistant est advoc01:59
raphinkthanks for all toma && good night01:59
Tonio_Riddell: merci01:59
tomame too, good night01:59
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RiddellTonio_: was kerry uploaded?02:07
Tonio_Riddell: I think jpatrick did it yes :)02:07
Tonio_Riddell: 3 yes for wlassistant, can I upload it ?02:07
RiddellTonio_: please do02:08
Tonio_I think you have a script to auto ask for uvfe ?02:08
RiddellTonio_: who also approved wlassistant?02:08
Tonio_Riddell: I hope it will not be rejected this time.......02:08
RiddellTonio_: I don't02:08
Tonio_Riddell: already approved long time ago02:08
RiddellTonio_: new packages don't need an upstream version freeze exception02:08
Tonio_already uploaded, but it never went in universe........02:08
Tonio_I don't know why02:08
Riddellhmm, right02:08
Tonio_maybe elmo because of it's name02:08
Tonio_kde-wlassistant maybe ?02:08
RiddellI doubt it, doesn't seem very generic02:08
Riddelljust upload again and see what happens02:09
Tonio_wlassistant is comparable to pwmanager02:09
Tonio_;)02:09
Tonio_same semantic, and pwmanager was rejected02:09
raphinkgeneric names are only acceptable for gnome apps for elmo ;)02:09
Tonio_raphink: +++++++++02:09
Tonio_ :)02:09
raphinkhehe02:10
Riddellis there a kio-beagle?02:10
Tonio_Riddell: uploaded to ubuntu02:10
Tonio_Riddell: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2843702:11
Tonio_Riddell: kio beagle :)02:11
Tonio_Riddell: want a package ?02:11
Riddellsure :)02:12
Tonio_Riddell: seems to be unsupported........ 30 august for latest version......02:12
raphinkouch02:12
Tonio_Riddell: not sure that can work with latest beagle version........02:13
Riddellhmm, yes02:13
Tonio_raphink: best method to know is to try no ?? ^^02:13
raphinkTonio_: you could try02:13
raphinkyep 02:13
raphinkand if it works, having it in kubuntu might help developping it02:14
raphinkthe more people use it, the fastest it tends to grow02:14
Tonio_Riddell: kio-beagle building02:25
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raphinkRiddell: how long do you think we need to test kde 3.5.2 before including it?02:41
Tonio_Riddell: tried and it doesn't build........... seems to be outdated compared to actual beagle02:42
Riddellraphink: I've asked for the UVFe02:48
raphinkRiddell: for KDE ?02:48
Riddellbut 3.5.2 isn't released yet remember02:48
Riddellraphink: yes02:48
raphinkgreat :)02:48
RiddellTonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it02:48
raphinkIt seems to work great so far02:48
raphinkI have no problem with it at all02:48
raphinkall big bugs we have fixed have been fixed in it02:49
Tonio_Riddell: wait, I have found patches for 0.2.x compatibility :)02:49
Tonio_hehehe02:49
raphinkand many others it seems02:49
raphinklooks much more like a bugfix than 3.5.102:49
raphink:)02:49
raphinkTonio_: hehe02:49
RiddellTonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it02:50
Riddellhmm, no02:51
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raphinkgood night Riddell02:51
raphinkI'll send you the kdelibs patch for lisa02:51
raphinkif it works :)02:51
Tonio_nite Riddell02:53
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Tonio_for interested tester : kio-beagle available on revu and on my repo : http://kubuntu.no-ip.org04:56
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glickhello?06:34
glickanyone here?06:34
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Tm_Thmm hmm hmm08:11
Tm_T3... no, 5 irc clients open08:11
Tm_T=)08:11
=== Hobbsee upgrades to kde 3.5.2
HobbseeTm_T: why?08:11
Tm_THobbsee: good guestion =)08:11
Hobbsee5 windows, or 5 clients?08:11
Tm_T5 clients08:11
Tm_Tall separate08:11
Tm_Tin three different pc's08:12
Tm_Tok, normally I just have 3 irssi running but now I have chatzilla and Kopete also in irc08:13
Hobbseeouch08:14
Tm_Tyeah =)08:16
Tm_T3 irssi in 4 different networks and ~50 channels08:16
Tm_Tand don't say I'm addicted!08:16
Tm_Tbecause I'm not!08:16
Tm_T;)08:16
Tm_Tsome alien ->08:17
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Tm_Tach, no luck08:24
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superstonedTonio: wanna test kio-beagle and kerry but why o why does beagle have so many dep's?!?!? 40 packages to install to get beagle to install - AS BACKEND, not even with a gui...10:37
freeflyingsuperstoned: where is kio_beagle10:41
superstoned http://kubuntu.no-ip.org10:41
superstonedcan't find kerry, btw, u know where it is?10:41
freeflyingsuperstoned: I've packaged the latest kerry , you need it ?10:42
superstonedi'd like to test it, yes10:42
freeflyingsuperstoned: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying10:43
superstoned(just installed beagle for first time, btw, so i guess it'll be busy indexing for some time).10:43
superstonedtnx10:43
superstonedbtw how big does the beagle database become>10:43
superstoned?10:43
freeflyingsuperstoned:  up to how many dirs do you wanna index 10:44
superstoneda lot... a lot. several gigs with mp3, movies, doc's, a few thousand mails.10:44
superstonedbtw on your site, i get with a right mouse klick a submenu with kubuntu package menu -> install package, but dpkg apparently doesn't accept ftp packages. shouldn't this option be hidden for ftp or even all non-local protocols?10:46
freeflyingsuperstoned: I haven't try with in that way 10:46
superstonedfreeflying: i mainly wonder if it will be eg 50 mb or 500 mb or 5000 mb...10:46
freeflyingsuperstoned: my is 193M , I index almost full system 10:48
superstonedok, guess it'll be 500 max then :D10:48
superstonedtnx10:48
superstonedbtw10:48
superstonedkerry does not install10:48
freeflyingsuperstoned: I have 30G movie and songs 10:48
superstonedi have a little more, but not that serious10:49
freeflyingsuperstoned: install it in konsole 10:49
superstonedhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/62463610:50
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superstoned(rmb and use the install option)10:50
superstonedwhere can i find qt 3.3.6?!?10:50
freeflyingsuperstoned: also above url10:51
superstonedok10:51
freeflyingsuperstoned: how about your downloadin speed10:52
superstonedwas slow10:52
superstonedsome 10kb/sec? (not sure)10:52
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superstonedfreeflying: installing did work now. kerry is configured. but now - when/how will beagle start?11:17
freeflyingsuperstoned: do search , it will allow you start beagle11:18
superstonedok11:18
superstonedtnx11:18
superstonedits started i guess11:19
freeflyingsuperstoned: it will index 11:22
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raphink|sleeptoma_: it doesn't work :(12:07
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alerimhi there12:40
alerimI got a bug on KDE 3.5.2, I get "Unable to load the  Display  module" in System Settings -> Display12:42
raphink_Sime: ping12:45
sebasalerim: Could you run kcmshell displayconfig?12:47
sebasThat should give meaningful errormessages.12:48
sebasMeaningful to developers, that is.12:48
alerimUnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-1: invalid data12:48
alerimmaybe you want the stack trace12:49
raphinkah interesting12:49
raphinktonio has got the same error iirc12:49
raphinkand I've got 12:49
raphinkAttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'12:49
raphinkerror: *** runFunction failure12:49
raphink;)12:49
alerimhttp://pastebin.com/62474612:49
sebasAh, that should've been fixed in recent snapshots.12:50
raphinksebas: ?12:51
sebasraphink: "?"?12:51
raphinkalerim just upgraded iirc and I am up-to-date too12:51
raphink4 days ago, the module worked for me12:51
raphinkthen it got broken again12:51
sebasWith snapshots, I mean "svn".12:51
raphinkok12:52
raphinkfor both errors sebas?12:52
sebasYesterday, half past 2 pm, CEST.12:52
raphinkok12:52
sebasYours is a different one, raphink?12:52
raphinkyes12:52
raphinkAttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'12:52
raphinkerror: *** runFunction failure12:52
raphinkthat's what I get12:52
raphinkon PPC12:52
sebasThere's a fix for that that went in on friday night, could you check svn?12:53
raphinkI don't have a co here and I'm a bit busy so not now12:54
raphinkbut ok :)12:54
sebasOk, try it when you have some time.12:56
raphinksure12:56
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HobbseeLure: ping01:39
Hobbseeoops, i think i wanted tonio...01:39
LureHobbsee: pong01:40
Lure;-)01:40
Hobbseewhoever's messed with the latest kpowersave is the one that i want...01:40
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=== Hobbsee whines - my eyes, my eyes! fortunately, there's a bios setting for brightness
Tm_T:)01:51
Tm_THobbsee: unfortunately there's no way to adjust sunlight01:51
Hobbseetrue01:52
Tm_Tjust imagine, shiny snow everywhere and bright sun...01:52
Tm_Tstill hurting my eyes =)01:52
Hobbseeyeah, i've been in that...too darned bright!01:52
Riddellhow do people get any work done in Finland?  don't they want to go sledging every day?01:52
Hobbseeevening Riddell 01:53
Tm_TRiddell: =)01:53
Riddellit's the Australia, I never worked out why they don't all go surfing every day01:53
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HobbseeRiddell: bluebottles and sharks seem to get in teh way, you know :P01:53
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Tm_TRiddell: you don't see beauty too close of you... human nature01:53
Tm_TI spent some time today just sitting and looking birds singing and fighting of food01:54
Tm_Tand yeah, getting blind =)01:54
Hobbseehehe01:55
Tm_Tpartly because of my medication, makes me calm :)01:56
Tm_Talso don't feel pain that much, good thing01:56
Tm_Tbut now some packaging exercises ->01:58
HobbseeRiddell: kde 3.5.2 seems to work quite well, from waht i've seen so far...01:58
mornfallraphink: sup?01:58
raphink I'm good01:58
RiddellHobbsee: great, thanks01:59
raphinkstill trying to fix that lisa stuff in kcontrol :s01:59
raphinkfighting with it01:59
raphinkyes 3.5.2 works well01:59
raphinkthere are a few bugs01:59
HobbseeRiddell: except for the borked kpowersave, which i'll growl at tonio_ for :P01:59
raphinklike in kopete for ex01:59
Tm_T?02:01
Tm_Traphink: go on02:01
Hobbseewhat kopete bug?02:02
raphinkgo to Configure in Kopete02:02
raphinkand click on the Peripherals tab02:02
raphinkbig badaboom :)02:02
Tm_Traphink: yeah, fixed in 0.12 ;)02:02
raphinkhmm ok02:02
raphinkbut 0.12 won't be in Dapper02:02
Tm_Tthat's why I'm working on with 0.12 release02:02
LureHobbsee: I did new powersave, but I am not responsible for brigthness feature - we should bug upstream02:03
raphinkso I'd like it fixed in 0.11.1 too02:03
Tm_Traphink: 0.11.202:03
Tm_T;)02:03
HobbseeLure: yes, i now dont have the suspend/hibernate options, and my hotkeys to dull the screen dont work.  fortunately, it can be dulled in the bios02:03
raphinkTm_T: ok02:03
Tm_Traphink: it's 0.11.2 in KDE 3.5.202:04
LureHobbsee: did you removed divert for /usr/sbin/acpid (see wiki)?02:04
raphinknot in my version Tm_T02:04
HobbseeLure: no, i didnt know it had been updated02:04
raphinkbbl02:04
LureHobbsee: we changed the divert (removed it) in order to not conflict for users with ubuntu-desktop02:06
Lurealso special keys of some notebooks (toshiba, ibm) did not work02:07
Lurewhat kind of noteboot do you have?02:07
HobbseeLure: right.  toshiba a10 satellite.   they've always worked02:07
Hobbseehibernate/suspend hasnt, but the monitor keys, and the brightness keys, have always worked02:07
Lureinteresting - also with last powersave?02:08
Hobbseenope, everything worked in the last kpowersave.02:08
LureI got some reports telling me the opossite (worked with klaptop, broke with kpowersave)02:08
Hobbseeah yeah, it didnt work with klaptop, sorry02:09
Lurebut anyway, your toshiba requires events also in /etc/acpi/event which were diverted by old powersave package02:09
Hobbseeit did work with all previous versions of kpowersave02:09
Hobbseeright, so how do i change that?02:09
LureHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave (under installing)02:10
Hobbseeright, so it's the same as what i'm doing now02:10
LureI would also suggest reboot after this and please check that /usr/sbin/acpid is binary and not script02:10
Hobbseemy head's hurting pretty badly, so sorry for seeming like an idiot...02:10
Hobbseehow do i check that?  ls?02:11
Hobbseeack!!!!02:12
Hobbseemy eyes!02:12
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HobbseeLure: thankyou thankyou thankyou!02:20
Tm_Thmm02:22
LureHobbsee: glad that it works for you02:24
Hobbsee:)02:24
Lurebtw, hibernate/suspend never worked for you?02:24
HobbseeLure: never in breezy, i think hibernate sorta worked - was very slow, and the network wouldnt reboot, so i'd just have to reboot anyway to get everything working properly.  it did in the earlier dapper versions of klaptop for a while (the hibernate), but then borked (crashed when you hit hibernate/suspend)02:25
Hobbseebut kpowersave is the first time it's worked properly - boots down as it's told to, comes back up, with network/wireless card/sound/touchpad/etc02:26
LureHobbsee: hibernate is also broken for me (hp nw8240), but works nicely with 2.6.15-1502:27
Hobbseewow really?  what are you on now?  2.6.15-18?02:27
Lurealso latest install CD (since Flight4) are useless for me - hang in usplash (no install menu)02:27
LureHobbsee: latest (I think -19) - currently running Breezy02:28
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Lureso cannot check02:28
Hobbseeah ok, yep02:28
theineHi, are packages for KDE 3.5.2 already available?02:28
Tm_Twhy I feel I'm doing this totally wrong =)02:29
Tm_Toh well...02:30
Luretheine: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main02:30
Luretest packages, but work nicely02:30
Tm_Tthat's not going to ubuntu main?02:30
theinegreat, thanks02:30
HobbseeTm_T: it's testing for the moment...02:30
Tm_Tah, and then to ubuntu repos... gotcha02:31
LureHobbsee: plan is that we get kpowersave 0.6 today (or by end of week for sure) and than prepare it for UVF exception02:31
Hobbseeyep, sounds good02:31
Hobbseeit'll need to redirect those links by default, if that's going to happen, no?02:31
LureSuSE has rc1 today and we do not expect changes further on (powersave is already released version)02:31
LureHobbsee: this was only needed because of previous powersave package - not needed anymore in future02:32
Hobbseeah ok, yep02:32
Hobbseeah...i see :D02:32
Lurewe might only need acpi-support a bit more powersave-aware (working with laptop-team)02:33
Lurebut it looks quite good already02:33
Hobbsee*nods*02:33
Hobbseeit's working way better than klaptop ever did02:33
theineIs there any chance that there will be an UVF exception for knetworkmanager?02:34
Luretheine: knm is planned to go in as quickly as we get n-m 0.6 from official depo02:35
Lureit will actually go to main (at least that is planned)02:35
theineLure: Fantastic02:38
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Tm_Thmm02:54
hendryare those new KDE packages going to make Flight6?02:58
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Riddellhendry: which?03:26
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raphinkRiddell: the live powerpc is not available in fr anymore ?03:49
Riddellraphink: it was oversized so I've removed all the lang packs for now, I'll put them back to fill capacity later03:53
raphinkah03:54
raphinkok03:54
raphinkRiddell: I'm still fighting with the lisa tabs03:56
raphinkin my last attempt to show an error message in them when it's not installed03:56
raphinkit had just removed the tabs 03:56
raphinklol03:56
raphinkso at least I had no error anymore03:56
raphinkRiddell: do you know of a wifi card that works with MacOS and Ubuntu?03:57
Riddellnope, but I'm no expert in such things03:58
raphinkok03:59
raphinkyou run on ppc too, don't you?03:59
Lureraphink: why don't you ask kde-guidance guys - they always nicely present "fail to start" messages when python throws error on startup04:01
Lure;-)04:01
raphinkhehe04:01
raphinkwell this module is in cpp04:02
Lurebut really, you probably expect that it should work the same - I would suspect it is C++ code that catches error from python script and present message04:02
raphinkhehe ok04:02
Luremaybe we just need to look how it is done there...04:02
raphinkwell everything is in the C++ code for the bugs I'm trying to fix04:03
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raphinkthere's no python 04:03
Riddellraphink: I have a minimac, it doesn't have wireless or macos on it04:06
raphinkah ok04:06
raphinkI have macos so far04:06
raphinkbut never booted on it04:06
raphinklol04:06
raphinkI think I will just remove it soon04:06
raphinkdunno why >i've put it actually04:06
jjessei heard there are packages for kde3.5.2 available but i don't see an announcement anywhere is that ttrue?04:06
mornfall-->04:07
Riddelljjesse: yes04:07
raphinkjjesse: http://www.raphink.info/04:07
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raphinkthat is my unofficial announcement04:07
jjessei thought i saw it on the blogs on planet?04:07
raphinkhuhu04:07
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jjesseraphink: did i get you in trouble :)04:08
raphinkjjesse: course not :)04:09
raphinkI posted on my planet willingly ;)04:09
raphinkI take my responsabilities04:09
raphinkah04:10
raphinkplanet doesn't flood on konqui anymore :D04:10
Riddellubuntu are going to have an april 1st background image04:14
RiddellI wonder what we could have for kubuntu04:15
raphinkhmmm04:15
Lathiata gnome foot :)04:15
raphinkLathiat: you know why the GNOME logo is only the foot of the gnome ?04:16
Lathiatraphink: no idea :)04:16
raphinkbecause the dragon ate the rest04:16
Lathiatahahaha04:16
raphink;)04:17
raphinkRiddell: how about a konqui with a GNOME foot stuck on his back?04:18
raphinkhehe04:18
RiddellI've a feeling adding gnome stuff would create more flame wars than laughs04:18
Lathiatheh04:19
raphinkok04:19
Lathiati like last years04:19
raphinkthen hmmm04:19
Lathiatubuntu oine04:19
Riddellnow if we had a picture of all the kubuntu developers swimming naked in a tropical river that would be perfect04:19
Lathiatpicture of elmo+mark+.. someone else i dont know04:19
Lathiathaha04:19
Riddell(which incidenly is one of the candidates for the ubuntu picture)04:19
raphinkhehe04:19
Riddellmaybe we should just change the background orange04:20
raphinklol04:20
raphinkkeep the current background04:21
Lathiathahahaha04:21
raphinkand add Konqui painting it orange04:21
Lathiatthats class04:21
sebasRiddell: I'd be happy to go somewhere tropical, if I've only got to be taken on a photo nekkid :)04:21
Lathiator that04:21
raphinklike konqui being painting the environment orange04:21
jjessehow many people want to see a bunch of developers naked?04:21
Lathiatraphink: ooh i like that04:21
raphinkLathiat: :)04:21
sebasThat way I would be able to see my own penis again ;-)04:21
raphinkLathiat: easy to do even 04:22
raphinkLathiat: just taking the current bubbles wallpaper, adding konqui to it and a bit of orange 04:22
raphinkRiddell: how would you like that>?04:22
Riddellthis would be a good one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg04:23
Riddellraphink: yeah, that could work04:23
raphinkhttp://www.chelskov.org/molde/Bilder/konqui.jpg04:23
Lathiathaha04:23
raphinkthis one would be perfect for the task imo04:23
sebasThat "Jesus Christ ..." is great :D04:23
Lathiatare the shipped kubuntu shipit cds going to have konqi on them? :)04:23
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Riddelltragically no sebas in this one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-09-01-akademy-beach-party.jpg04:24
sebasRiddell: I'm more afraid of those: http://vizzzion.org/?id=viewpic&gcat=aKademy2005-8-Beachparty&gpic=IMG_6251.JPG#images04:24
raphinklol04:26
jjesseare those work safe pictures?04:26
Riddellno :)04:26
Riddellraphink: the hugging konquis would be better04:31
raphinkwait a min04:31
raphinkI'll show you want I come with :)04:32
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raphinkI've got something quite nice04:33
raphinkfor my poor graphic skills that is04:33
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raphinkanyone has a link to ubuntu's orange ?04:39
RiddellOrange: 255 99 9 / FF630904:40
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official04:40
raphinkthanks much04:41
raphinkwow tthis is red04:41
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freeflyingRiddell: qt-3.3.6+kde3.5.2 , konqueror often crashes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1091304:45
raphinkRiddell: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png04:47
raphinkhow about that?04:47
raphinkI know my graphic skills are very poor ;)04:48
raphinkhehe04:48
raphinkbut it's just the idea04:48
Riddellraphink: controvetial :)04:49
raphinkhehe04:49
raphinkyou like it?04:49
raphinkLathiat: 04:49
seaLnehehe04:49
raphink:)04:49
seaLnedoes gnome have an equivalent of konqi?04:50
raphinkthey only have the foot seaLne04:50
seaLneor how about a spaceman painting it orange?04:50
raphinkkonqui hate the rest of their mascot04:50
raphinkate04:50
raphinks/hate/ate/04:51
seaLne:)04:51
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raphinkhttp://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png04:57
raphinkkonqui is a bit lower in the pic04:57
raphink:)04:57
Lureraphink: nice...04:58
raphink:)04:58
raphinkyou like it?04:58
Lureyes, I think it would be nice for april 104:58
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Pygiraphink: perhaps you could make it paint kubuntu logo? ^_^04:59
raphinkhttp://r.pinson.free.fr/capture.jpg05:00
raphinkthis is how it looks on my comp05:00
raphinkPygi: well the idea of the joke is that he's turning the kde style into the new gnome one ;)05:00
raphinkfor the 1st of april05:00
Pygiraphink: o joy ^_^05:01
raphinkhehe05:01
RiddellBugs meeting!05:03
RiddellLure, seaLne..05:03
LureRiddell: I am there...05:03
raphinkbugs meeting?05:03
raphinkRiddell: or are you calling lure & seaLne bugs?05:04
Lathiatraphink: thats awesome05:04
Lathiatjust fix the shadow on konqi05:05
raphink:)05:05
raphinkyes05:05
seaLneraphink: :P05:05
Lathiatbut i figure that was a quick hack05:05
Lathiat:)05:05
raphinknot sure how to fix that05:05
raphinkyes 05:05
Lathiatget abetter konqi image05:05
raphinkvery quick hack ;)05:05
Lathiattbh im imrpessed how good it is for a quick ahck05:06
raphinkwell I'm not sure where to get a better konqui image05:06
Lathiati could spend days tryign to make somethign like that... ;p05:06
Lathiatim sure kde.org must have something?05:06
raphinknot in the right position I think Lathiat05:06
raphinkthis position is just very convenient for a painting konqui05:07
Lathiatalso i'd make it a little more orange05:07
raphinkwhile this http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/konqi-klogo-official-400x500.png is not05:07
raphinkLathiat: this is the official ubuntu orange05:07
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Lathiatraphink: no i mean05:07
Lathiata bigger area05:07
Lathiatnot too big05:07
raphinkah ok :)05:07
raphinksure05:07
Lathiat but a little better05:07
Lathiatanyway05:07
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Lathiatbedtime for me05:07
Lathiat;p05:07
raphinkI could also have small drops on the wall05:07
raphinkok05:07
raphinkgood night05:07
raphinkI don't want the orange stuff too big05:08
raphinkso you can still feel like "nooooooooooooo doooooooooooooon't!"05:08
raphink;)05:08
Lathiati dunno mayenb its nice that size05:09
raphinkit should be more random05:13
mornfallhumm05:15
mornfallsup05:15
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raphinkI'm good mornfall you?05:16
mornfalli guess so05:16
mornfallno catastrophes05:16
raphinkhehe05:17
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mornfalli guess i'm bored05:21
mornfalli should tex algorithm design assignment05:21
jpatrickhi mornfall05:21
mornfallhi jpatrick 05:21
jpatrickso what's going on?05:22
mornfallweb servers. aw. :-)05:23
jpatrickI'm just gonna package kbfx today.05:25
Tm_Tachtung!05:27
Tm_Tkopete doesn't get jabber plugin compiled with current dapper&kde35205:27
hungerWhy does everybody have kde352 and I don't:-(05:28
raphinkhunger: because you chose to I guess05:29
raphinkhunger: http://www.raphink.info/05:30
LureTm_T: I have kde352 and I have jabber (G Talk)05:31
Tm_TLure: ofcourse you do05:32
Tm_TLure: because you don't compile Kopete yourself05:32
Lureok05:32
Tm_T;)05:32
Tm_Tthis is strange... configure complains that it can't build jabber plugin and yet, it does build it05:37
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Lurelesson learned on meeting: we need to add kde packages here to get us atosubscribed (it is a bit outdated):05:41
Lurehttps://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs05:41
RiddellLure: yes05:42
RiddellLure: I added the main packages, but there will be some I've missed05:42
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LureseaLne: can you subcribe kubuntu-team for package in future instead of assign - this would do it05:43
Lure(since you go through every kubuntu bug ;-))05:43
seaLnei think they should be assigned aswell05:44
Riddellexisting bugs for products don't get subscribed retrospecively, which is something seaLne has been tidying up05:44
LureseaLne: that is ok, I am just sugesting that if you see kde package, it should get subscribed to kubuntu-team05:45
seaLneassigned means stuff goes to kubuntu-bugs list, wouldn't subscribe do the same but not look as good?05:45
seaLneah right05:45
Lurewe will reduce your work for future (not really, you will just have more time for other stuff ;-)05:46
seaLneso how do you subscribe packages?05:46
raphinkpfiew05:46
Lurehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+subscribe05:47
Lureyou can subscribe yourself or any list you are member of05:47
raphinkhttp://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april3.png05:48
raphink:)05:48
raphinkremoved the shadow on konqui, adding blur everywhere around05:48
raphinkon edges05:48
raphink:)05:48
raphinkand drops05:49
Riddellraphink: can the orange be slightly transparent?05:49
raphinksure it can Riddell :)05:50
raphinkI'll try at least05:50
seaLneLure: i'm unsure how you get to a url like that without typing it for a package05:53
LureI just type in... ;-)05:53
Lurejust append +subscribe on package - package is anyway on top of the page05:53
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seaLnebah, i want the last 5 minutes of my life back hunting for how to do that :P05:54
LureseaLne: seen that:05:54
Lure<seb128> and you take the assignment only when you start working on something05:54
Luremaybe we are abusing this assignement too much...05:54
mbieblLure: hi. 05:54
Lurembiebl: hi05:54
mbieblI'm integrating powersave into the logout dialog atm. 05:54
mbieblhttp://www.teco.edu/~biebl/logout.png05:54
seaLneLure: maybe it would help if their was a definition of wtf the different terms in malone ment05:54
Lurembiebl: nice! - where do we get this?05:55
LureRiddell: check mbiebl's link05:55
mbieblI requires a patch to ksmserver.05:55
LureseaLne: exactly...05:55
Lurembiebl: already in your SVN?05:56
mbieblI will upload it to my repo tonight.05:56
Riddellmbiebl: looks nice05:56
mbieblIt's mostly taken from SuSE btw. So all creadit to them ;-)05:56
seaLneassign to me means "we know about this and have started thinking about it"05:56
RiddellSuspend to RAM should be Suspend to Memory05:56
mbieblRiddell: we could change that. But it's used in kpowersave too. So we would have to change it there also.05:57
sebasmbiebl: Nice!05:57
LureseaLne: and this may be overstatement... ;-)05:57
mbieblI will see, if I can also integrate it into kdm.05:58
LureRiddell: if we are changing this, we should just rename to Suspend and Hibernate - people are used to it05:58
seaLneLure: the main reason was to get it to appear on kubuntu-team's assigned bugs05:58
LureseaLne: I know, I am just thinking how is this meant to work (as no doc exists)05:59
mbieblLure: I'm used to suspent do disk and suspend to ram, because that's what the linux kernel calls it.05:59
mbieblhibernate is a windows thingy I think.05:59
raphinkRiddell: actually where excatly would you like transparency?06:00
Lurembiebl: probably - I was (primarily) WinXP user until I found Hoary ;-)06:00
Lurebut it would be also consistent with Ubuntu06:00
seaLneraphink: so it looks like a first coat of paint?06:00
sebasIt's often referred to as hibernate (suspend to disk, S4) and standby (suspend to ram, S3).06:01
sebasBut in fact real standby is just cpu switched off (C1, I think)06:01
mbieblI find suspend to disk and suspend to ram much clearer.06:01
Riddellraphink: on the orange paint (just an idea, it may not work)06:01
mbieblBecause standby doesn't tell me what acutally happens.06:01
sebasThe standby metapher is quite OK, I think. Most devices in standby do need some power, which is true for S3.06:01
raphinkit's not easy Riddell06:02
OculusAquilaeIsn't there a problem with translations if you would change it06:02
raphinkthe original colour shape I can make transparent06:02
raphinkbut then what I put around (blur and all) is harder06:02
raphinkI'll try though06:02
sebasmbiebl: The main difference (wakeup time, and draining battery) aren't clear for the ignorant user...06:02
sebasI'd also go for hibernate  / suspend to memory, btw. RAM is too technical and just doesn't look nice in that dialogue. It should be changed in kpowersave aswell, probably, to keep it consistent.06:03
mbieblProblem is, that this would change the translation strings for kpowersave...06:04
OculusAquilaeright, SuSE does very good translations06:04
mbieblYes, kpowersave has a lot of translations.06:05
OculusAquilaewe don't have such a translation process atm06:05
mbieblWe would have to revise them to. The handbook and screenshots in there too, probably.06:06
Lureit probably only make sense if maintainers decide to change it - otherwise is too much work to keep up to date06:07
mbieblI will take this suggestion to the powersave mailing list.06:07
sebasmbiebl: Hm, yeah.06:08
mbieblBut as they are also preparing their release for opensuse 10.1 they also have a string freeze.06:08
raphinkRiddell: can't do it :(06:08
raphinkI don't succeed06:08
mornfallkde uses CET (or maybe CEST) now as a coordination time IIRC06:11
mornfallhmm06:12
mornfallwrong chan again06:12
mbieblBtw, the logout options are determined dynamically, so if the machine only supports suspend to disk, only this option is offered.06:13
sebasHow do you check?06:14
mornfallhmm?06:14
mbieblIt contacts the powersave daemon via dbus.06:14
mornfallmbiebl: i have never noticed anything like that -- is that kubuntu specific patch?06:15
mornfalloh06:15
mornfallopensuse?06:15
sebasmbiebl: Ah, thx.06:15
mbieblmornfall: yes 06:15
sebasWill that patch go into the 3.5.2 packages, btw?06:15
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Luresebas: it does not make sense unless we include kpowersave in main (to replace klaptop)06:16
mbieblLure: right.06:16
sebasOw, yeah, it's not yet. 06:16
mornfallwell, dapper+1?06:16
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LureI am all for it, but there are problems with ppc and still need some polish06:16
mbieblI still hope we can make it into dapper.06:16
mornfallisn't it a bit late?06:17
sebasklaptop being that bad makes it easier to not run into regressions.06:17
mornfall(k)powersave is fine when you know what you are doing06:17
Lurembiebl: when we get it in universe and get some testers, everybody will want it there..;-)06:17
Lurein main06:17
mornfallfor dapper+1 i am all for it06:18
mbieblProblem is, if we want tight integration (as i logout dialog)  it has to go into main.06:18
mornfallmbiebl: why? you can't depend on the fact it's running anyway06:18
Luremornfall: I think this will be probable outcome (dapper only in universe)06:18
mornfallmbiebl: it can be done optional06:18
mbieblIf they can squeeze NM 0.6 in, it should be no problem to get (k)powersave in properly.06:18
Lurembiebl: yes and no - NM 0.5 was already in, powersave only had one old upload in universe06:19
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mornfallno train's leaving with dapper06:20
Lurebut I think if we buy enough beer for Riddell it is not completely impossible ;-)06:20
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raphinkRiddell: how is that ?06:21
mornfalli should do the fc4 update of dovecot :|06:21
raphinkhttp://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april4.png06:21
mbieblWell, (k)powersave got a hell of testing because it will also be release wie SLED.06:21
mornfallsled?06:22
raphinkRiddell: looks more like a work in progress?06:22
mbieblSuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop.06:22
raphink:)06:22
mbieblThey release about the same time as dapper.06:22
raphinkoh nice06:22
jjessenote to self, don't try and upgrade to kde3.5.2 while installing a vitural machine06:24
mbieblRiddell: I promised to give you an overview on (k)powersave. Haven't done it yet because I wanted to integrate some features first and waited for the final stable release 0.6 of kpowersave which is due this week.06:27
mbieblDo you have a laptop to give (k)powersave a try and tell me what you think?06:27
Riddellmbiebl: I do yes (although not immediately)06:28
mbieblOk, then I'll send you instructions as soon as the final kpowersave is released. Stay tuned. 06:29
mbieblHave to go now. CU.06:29
raphinkhttp://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg06:29
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jjessehmm just updated to kde 3.5.2 and noticed that some of the windows i had open in another desktop were closed (3 openoffice.org write windows in one desktop, and vmplayer in another)06:32
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seaLneraphink: that last version looks good more sense of him painting06:50
raphinkyes06:50
raphinkit's more "real"06:50
raphinkwell it's just for one day anyway06:50
raphink:)06:50
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raphinkwb Lure06:51
Lureraphink: hi06:52
raphink:)06:52
raphinkLure: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg is that better?06:52
Luregreat ;-)06:52
raphink:)06:52
Lurewill this be default for Flight6 (Wed)?06:53
raphinklol06:53
raphinkthat would be fun06:53
raphinkRiddell: ?06:53
Lureor just April 106:53
Tm_Traphink: =) =)06:53
Tm_TI wonder...06:54
raphinkhehe06:54
cmvoLure: Hi! I'm experimenting with kde 3.5.2 on dapper and see a slowdown when switching to a desktop for the first time. Do you see the slowdowns on other occations?06:55
Lurecmvo: I have seen it only with crystal06:55
raphinksame here06:55
LureI am on Plastik now and it works fast06:55
Riddellraphink: nice06:56
raphinkit's crystal that slows it down06:56
raphinkRiddell: there's a bit of transparency... did my best on it06:56
Lurecmvo: only the first switch - I have documented it in crystal bug06:57
cmvoLure: Yup, only with Crystal. Also in system settings the preview of Crystal is slow to appear. It seems to be some kind of init problem.06:57
Lurecmvo: I think transparency code does something before it is painted for the first time (store background?)06:58
Luremornfall: ping07:01
mornfallLure: pong07:01
Lureadd/remove programs is really nice07:01
LureI have one minor observation07:01
cmvoLure: Do you have the bug #? I'm fighting lauchpad at the moment...07:01
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mornfallLure: yes?07:01
Lurewhy do programs without description take more space (row) than others07:02
mornfallhmm, do they?07:02
Lureexamples in System: Wallet, Menu Editor, Menu Updating Tool...07:02
mornfalllet me see07:02
Lurewill do screenshot07:02
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cmvoLure: Never mind, I got it.07:04
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mornfallthey seem to take same space as with description here07:06
Lurehttp://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3331/addremove6de.png07:06
LureI am slow (got distracted... ;-))07:06
mornfallimageshack is too (slow)07:07
mornfall10K/s07:07
marseillaiRiddell: i think there's a problem with krfb in kubuntu! i've found anywhere a connection log. it seems you don't redirect output log to any file as it's tell there : http://ait.web.psi.ch/services/linux/kde-desktop-sharing.htm?forprint (/usr/local/kde/bin/krfb > /tmp/krfb.log 2>&1 & for example)07:07
mornfallstall07:07
mornfallLure: indeed07:07
mornfallinteresting07:07
mornfalli'd say it's a bug :] 07:08
Lurenoticed that they are also not equal size...07:08
LureI am not concerned, just funny07:08
mornfallmust be some qlayout screwup07:09
mornfallqlayout is driving me nuts most of the time07:09
Luremornfall: unsupported means universe?07:09
mornfallLure: yes07:10
mornfallIIRC :)07:10
seaLnewhat about multiverse?07:10
Lureproprietary software07:10
mornfallunsupported+proprietary07:10
Luremornfall: unsupported is a bit harsh to MOTUs - sometimes they do better job than main ;-)07:10
mornfallLure: it is officially unsupported is it not?07:11
mornfallbig fat warning in sources.list07:11
mornfallall that07:11
mornfallthere's also this space constraint07:11
mornfall"not completely supported but people are trying but beware" is a bit long for a checkbox07:11
seaLneheh07:11
Luretrue...07:11
Riddellmarseillai: there's no kubuntu specific changes to krfb07:11
marseillaioki! sorry! so i'll tell this somewhere else!07:12
Riddellmornfall: are you planning to add commercial software support to adept_installer?07:13
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mornfallRiddell: i have no idea how -- it probably could be done, but i guess that currently means reading gnome-app-install source07:14
mornfall [19:14:05]      metalhedd | #kubuntu     % I lost the icon for adept_notifier in dapper.  its not even listed in my KMenu anymore, but i can run it from the terminal (but I get no tray icon)07:14
mornfallriiiight07:14
Tm_Tok, I'm uploading Kopete 0.12 beta2 package and stuff to my server07:14
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Lurehi Tonio_07:15
hungerTm_T: What are the chances of that making it into dapper?07:15
Tonio_hello lure and all07:16
Tonio_Lure: you are motu no ?07:16
Tm_Thunger: that's what Im trying to do here ;)07:16
Lureno - I just did my first pbuilder thing yesterday07:16
Lure;-)07:16
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Tm_Thm, installs fine in my system, let's see how it runs07:16
hungerTm_T: Just curious:-)07:16
Riddellmornfall: add source line, show licence file, install07:16
Tonio_damn......07:16
Riddellmornfall: although I can't find an example just now07:16
Tonio_Riddell: tested ko-beagle ? works like a charm :)07:17
Tm_Thmm07:17
Tm_Tworks07:17
RiddellTonio_: not yet no07:17
LureTonio_: but Riddell accepted me in KubuntuTeam (and is pushing me to bugs) ;-)07:17
LureTonio_: you mean kerry?07:17
mornfallalso, let's note that i won't have time until after 30th07:17
hungerWhere can I sneak a peek at all the wonders you guys are working on?07:17
Tonio_Lure: and Riddell's right ;) you do great job for bug fixing ;)07:17
Tonio_Lure: no I mean the kio-beagle :)07:18
Tm_Thunger: hood question =)07:18
Tm_Tgood even07:18
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Tonio_Lure: I packaged it toonight, it is on revu, and you can find it on my repo07:18
LureTonio_: will try now07:18
mornfallwhich means 5 days to freeze the interface07:18
mornfalloh, actually no07:18
mornfallthat's only documentation07:18
Lurehunger: kubuntu.no-ip.org repository07:18
Lurehunger: but kde352 and qt 3.3.6 first ;-)07:19
mornfallRiddell: how important is it?07:19
mornfallit's still a serious feature freeze breach... even though it seems feature freeze doesn't mean much here anyway07:19
hungerLure: Aehm... google does not know that one.07:19
mornfallit's still me who'll handle the bugs07:20
Riddellmornfall: depends if canonical can persuade anyone to supply .debs to them07:20
Lurehunger: do you have laptop? we are looking for kpowersave testers (see KubuntuPowersave wiki)07:20
Riddellmornfall: Mark Shuttleworth was fairly keen to have it, but it's certainly not vital07:20
hungerLure: I am using kpowersave for a while now.07:20
Lurehunger: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main07:20
hungerLure: Works like a charm!07:20
Lurehunger: deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main07:20
hungerLure: WAY better than klaptopwhatever.07:20
mornfallLure: kpowersave works (it's a bit rough at times, but works :)07:20
Lurehunger: did you upgrade yesterday (and follow instructions on wiki!)07:21
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hungerLure: I am updating now.07:21
Lurehunger: do not forget to do the fineprint steps (to remove divert for acpid)07:22
mornfallLure: yes, that was a nasty surprize07:22
mornfallLure: why can't it be done by maintainerscripts, anyway?07:22
LureI did not want to complicate packages and since that version (with divert) was not widely used...07:23
mornfalllame :P07:24
mornfallLure: you maintain kpowersave in debian too?07:24
Lureno, mbiebl does 07:25
mornfallah07:25
mornfallthe divert thing broke in debian too07:25
Lurehe is doing great job, not leaving much work for us ;-)07:25
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Luremornfall: is debian also using divert? I though mbiebl did that only for ubuntu07:25
mornfallLure: hmm! so maybe your package broke my system07:26
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Luremornfall: it was mbiebl's package that Tonio_ uploaded to his repo07:26
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Tm_Thmm07:26
mornfallwhoever07:26
mornfallit's all their fault07:26
mornfallit took me minutes to figure07:27
hungerIf this is meant to be tested, why is it not in dapper yet?07:27
hungerdapper is a development version after all. all the update junkies should know how to fix their system if it breaks.07:27
Lurehunger: waiting for 0.6 kpowersave release (maybe today) and some early adopters feedback07:27
cmvoRiddell: I installed koffice-15rc1 on dapper and kde 3.5.2. Nothing major to report. KWord doesn't like documents created with kword 1.2.1 and mixes up the z-order of frames.07:27
Lurethen I hope we can get UVF exception07:27
kmonLure: When will knetworkmanager will enter dapper?07:28
LureTonio_: installed kio-beagle, but beagle:/ redirects me to locate:beagle:/07:28
Lurekmon: soon - they just resolved n-m build issue that prevented us to build it with VPN07:28
hungerIs there a way to get a list of "protocols" supported by konqui (aka. a list of ioslaves).07:28
Lurekmon: there might be a source update today (as SuSE has RC1) that we might include07:29
kmonLure: sounds great07:29
Tonio_Lure: you need to restart kde07:29
Tonio_don't ask me why, but it doesn't work "out of the box"07:29
LureTonio_: ok, will do, but not yet... ;-)07:29
Riddellcmvo: dapper, i386?07:29
Tonio_Lure: once done, woks like a charm07:29
cmvoRiddell: Yup07:30
Riddellcmvo: great, thanks.  you should report the kword problems to bugs.kde.org07:30
Tm_Thttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/62534107:30
Tm_Thmm, lintian gave nice bunch of errors and warnings07:31
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kmonI'm also testing kde 3.5.2, everything seems to be ok07:34
Riddellkmon: dapper, i386?07:35
kmonRiddell: amd6407:35
kmondapper07:35
Riddellooh, even better :)07:35
LureTonio_: kio-beagle - nice...07:35
kmonRiddell:  on 2 different machines, a laptop and a desktop pc07:35
Tonio_Lure: works nicelly no ?07:36
Tonio_of course it cannot compete with kerry07:36
Tonio_that's a kio, not an app07:36
Tonio_but I find it nice :)07:37
LureTonio_: it is great for file management07:37
Tonio_Lure: yes07:37
LureTonio_: and photo management (need to check if beagle support EXIF/IPTC)07:37
Tonio_Lure: absolutly07:37
Tonio_well, it is very nice to me07:38
Tonio_we should have that "at least" in universe :)07:38
hungerWhy does xmms get installed on upgrade to kde352? Seems like one of the kicker applets drags that in.07:38
Tonio_that's why I need reviewers :)07:38
Tonio_xmms ???????07:38
Tonio_isn't that in multiverse ?07:38
cmvoRiddell: In kde kicker behaved wierd twice: no longer centered but moved to the left, not unhinding any longer. I had to change the config to get the desired behaviour back. Hasn't happened again since I changed away from crytal, but I don't know if it is related.07:39
hungerTonio_: Yeap, including libgtk1.2:-(07:39
Riddellcmvo: I think kicker has had some changes in kde 3.5.207:39
Tonio_hunger: what ? kio-beagle ?07:39
Tonio_hunger if yes, ask for canonical to split their packages :)07:39
Tonio_it is not my fault is the beagle daemon requires libgtk ;)07:40
hungerTonio_: Nope, kicker-applets from kde352 drags that in.07:40
kmonhunger: do you have superkaramba installed?07:40
Tonio_hunger: hu ? wow.....07:40
Riddellhmm, I'm sure I removed xmms necessity07:40
hungerkmon: Nope.07:41
kmonbecause superkaramba depends on xmms.... :(07:41
hungerkmon: I never see my desktop, so I will not waste resources on desktop applets.07:41
kmonhunger: ok07:41
Tonio_Riddell: I have 3.5.2 and no xmms installed :)07:41
LureRiddell: kicker-applets is in rdepends of xmms07:41
hungerSo where is kerry?07:41
hungerTonio_: Just installed kio-beagle:-)07:42
cmvoLure: I had random lockups with a radeon card too. They disappeared after disabling dri or removing the radeonfb kernel module.07:42
hungerTonio_: I'd better restart X for things to take effect though;-)07:42
Tonio_hunger: kio-beagle comes with a bunch of gtk deps :)07:42
Tonio_sorry again :)07:42
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hungerTonio_: Yes, but that is to be expected.07:43
Lurecmvo: I have it only on stop/start of X server (logout, new session) - not that bad, but noticable07:43
Tonio_hunger: could be avoid....... but beagle package isn't splitted......07:43
hungerTonio_: beagle is the name of the hellhound of the gnome.07:43
Tonio_hunger: for just the daemon, libgtk shouldn't be required07:43
cmvoRiddell: Ok, I'll try if I can reproduce.07:43
hungerBRB... restarting X to get all the latest goodies.07:44
Tonio_hunger: okay07:44
LureTonio_: should we put also kerry to your repo07:44
Tonio_Lure: sure07:44
Lureor are we waiting for jpatrick to fix comments in revu?07:45
Tonio_if you want it to be tested07:45
Tonio_Lure: isn't it already uploaded ?07:45
Tonio_if yes, maybe better to wait a bit no ?07:45
Tonio_Lure: he did and uploaded07:45
Tonio_but both Riddell and I advocated on irc, but not on revu ;)07:45
Tonio_which isn't nice at all :)07:45
LureTonio_: not seen on your main page... Is this not updated?07:46
Tonio_Lure: I think it is uploaded to ubuntu directly07:46
hungerAll looks well in kde 3.5.2 land (so far).07:46
Tonio_waiting in the NEW queue for elmo or kamion07:46
Tonio_hunger: yes, kde 3.5.2 works very nicelly07:46
LureTonio_: any plans with system:/07:47
Tonio_Lure: not at the moment..........07:47
Tonio_nobody seems to be able to correct my crappy patch07:47
Tonio_we have two solutions actually07:47
Tonio_make my patch better or remove the system thing from the konqueror's sidebar07:47
LureTonio_: I would look into, but I am scared it will take too much of my time to understand that code (and I need time for powersave polish)07:48
Tonio_I am not able to do better than what I already did07:48
hungerNow that I installed kio-beagle: How do I test that (how do I configure beagle in the first place?)07:48
Tonio_it is over my skills07:48
cmvoLure: I get lockups on X server shutdown with fglrx 8.23.5, but not the ati/radeon driver. I use a R300 card.07:48
Tonio_Lure: that isn't an emergency anyway :)07:48
Lurehunger: just install beagle package and it will index your home by default07:48
Tonio_just as long as we have that in mind for the release07:48
hungerLure: I do not want my home indexed!07:49
Tonio_Lure: you need to launch beagle manually the first time, or reboot07:49
Lurecmvo: I get X shutdown lockups with fglrx (100%) and ati (20% probability)07:49
Tonio_Lure: and even, I don't think beagle autostarts.........07:49
Tonio_that's strange07:49
Tonio_is it in a cron ?07:50
LureTonio_: probably - I started it through kerry the first time07:50
Tonio_I though it was an init.d daemon, but that's not07:50
LureTonio_: it autostarts on my system07:50
Lurenot sure where 07:50
Tonio_Lure: hum.........07:50
kmonLure: what gfx card do you have? x700?07:50
Luremaybe kerry kick-it-off07:50
hungerWhere does beagle store its index?07:50
Lurekmon: ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express07:51
LureTonio_: kerry is running in sys tray07:51
kmonI have an x700 and suffer the same weird X error's07:51
Tonio_Lure: nice ;)07:51
hungerSo where can I get kerry?07:51
Tonio_Lure: anyway, I don't understand the way beagle starts.....07:51
Tonio_because the kio requires beagled to run07:51
Lurehunger: ~/.beagle?07:51
hungerkmon: I actually suspect a kernel problem.07:52
Tonio_and on my computer at least, it doesn't autostart07:52
Lurehunger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=219807:52
hungerLure: Oh, good. I was afraid it would write it someplace that is not encrypted.07:52
kmonwouldn't it be better for kat 0.7?07:52
hungerLure: Nah, no debs there:-)07:52
Lurejust source - I can build one and upload to Tonio_s07:52
Lure;-)07:52
kmonwouldn't it be better to wait for kat 0.7?07:53
hungerkmon: IMHO yes... but since the crowd is all headed for beagle I'll just follow.07:53
LureI would preffer kat, but beagle is here now and it seems to work07:53
Tonio_Lure: apart from the ausostart feature :)07:53
Tonio_let me reboot and test ;)07:54
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hungerWow, beagle renews my faith in gnome software: Endless list of stack-traces scolling by.07:54
Lurehunger: check ps -ef | grep exe ;-)07:55
hungerLure: I do not mind names... but stack traces usually are a sign of something being seriously messed up.07:55
hungerthe kcontrol replacement is got really nice in dapper by the way. Kudos to whoever fixed it up.07:57
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hungerYou know what I really find strange?07:58
hungerThat arts takes more cpu time when not doing anything than beagle when it indexes stuff.07:59
Tonio_Riddell: beagled doesn't autostart, would you suggest adding an autostart feature to the kio-beagle package ?08:03
hungerkio-beagle seems to work... it does not find anything, but I guess that is due to the index still being generated.08:03
Tonio_Riddell: that's not very, very  nice, but actually, the kio isn't really usable......08:03
Tonio_cause you have to launch beagle everytime you boot08:03
Tonio_hunger: does beagle autostart for you ?08:03
Tonio_hunger: I have to launch it manually everytime I boot.......08:04
Tonio_beagled08:04
hungerTonio_: Dunno... I started beagled manually.08:04
Tonio_hunger: that's my problem :)08:04
hungerTonio_: Dropping a file into /usr/share/autostart should fix that.08:04
RiddellTonio_: how does gnome start it?08:04
Tonio_Riddell: I'm asking :)08:05
hungerRiddell: Gnome drops a file into /etc/xdg/autostart.08:05
Tonio_hunger: then we should do the ame08:05
Tonio_same08:05
Riddellyep08:05
hungerRiddell: Why is the autostart folder in /usr by the way?08:05
Tonio_kerry autostart it probably08:05
LureTonio_: I think so...08:06
hungerRiddell: That is not OK with the FHS, is it?08:06
Riddellhunger: because that's where it's always been, the standard is still being worked on but was started after 3.508:06
Tonio_Riddell: I'm adding a script in /usr/share/autostart08:06
Tonio_or maybe a .desktop file is better.......08:06
RiddellTonio_: script?  .desktop is the way08:06
hungerTonio_: Just copy the desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart.08:06
Riddellyeah08:06
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, yes, I was confused, sorry :)08:06
Tonio_hunger: yep, I'm adding that to the kio-beagle package08:07
hungerTonio_: ... making sure it is OnlyShowIn KDE (or however that is written.08:07
hungerTonio_: Hmmm... won't that conflict with kerry then?08:07
Tonio_hunger: you mean ?08:07
Tonio_hunger: I assume kerry starts beagled if not already started :)08:07
hungerTonio_: If both Gnome and kde end up in the same dir again... then we want to avoid confusion, don't we?08:08
Tonio_hunger: hum........08:08
hungerTonio_: Leave it out and I will file a bugreport about it;-)08:09
Tonio_well.... what will happen if you use gnome and have autostart in both /usr/share/autostart and /usr/xdg/autostart08:09
Tonio_I assume nothing08:09
Tonio_beagled cannot be run twice08:09
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hungerTonio_: Well, we should try to be clean... even if our little brothers do not always play fair;-)08:10
Tonio_hunger: then what would you suggest ?08:11
hungerTonio_: Adding a OnlyShowIn KDE into our file.08:11
Tonio_hunger: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;)08:11
Tonio_didn't knew that .desktop option :)08:12
hungerTonio_: Then Gnome ignores it... they will have OnlyShowIn Gnome in theirs I think, so they play fine with kde (or they should have;-)08:12
Lurehunger: kerry is already in kubuntu.no-ip.org repository - enjoy08:12
Tonio_OnlyShowIn=GNOME;08:12
Tonio_hunger: confirmed08:12
Tonio_hunger: shouldn't they remove that ?08:13
Tonio_it is a daemon08:13
hungerTonio_: Actually that should be in all desktop files installed by kde in /usr/share/autostart08:13
Tonio_no reason it doesn't start or kde too no ?08:13
hungerTonio_: Won't do no good.08:13
hungerTonio_: KDE does not look in /etc/xdg/autostart last time I checked.08:14
Tonio_hunger: okay08:14
Tonio_but for the future, I think beagled should autostart for "gnome only"08:14
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hungerSearching for several search terms does not work, does it?08:16
hungeris there a way to see what beagle has indexed? Which file formats it handles, etc.?08:20
hungerAnd exspecially whether beagle is done indexing all the stuff.08:22
Lurehunger: just separate with spaces for multi search08:23
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hungerLure: Yeap, I think it is just that beagle did not get round to index much.08:23
Tonio_hunger: thanks for the ShowOnly option :)that will also help in the knetworkmanager package :)08:24
hungerTonio_: I filed *LOTS* of bugs about that missing before.08:25
Tonio_hunger: well, I never saw that in any documentation08:25
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Tonio_hunger: ? strange.....08:27
Tonio_works for me08:27
Tonio_maybe its beagle support is incomplete........08:27
Tonio_any example of typicall search that fail ?08:27
hungerTonio_: I enter daap kde into kerry and get two links.08:27
hungerTonio_: Entering beagle:daap kde into konq gives an empty result set.08:28
Tonio_maybe it doesn't support multiwords search08:28
hungerTonio_: kio-beagle does not find daap even on its own.08:28
hungerTonio_: Thinking about it: kerry finds links to webpages... maybe kio-beagle can not display those.08:29
Tonio_hunger: that's possible08:30
Tonio_a kio is generally only able to display files and folders :)08:30
Tonio_okay, new kio-beagle should be on my repo and revu in 5 minutes08:30
Tonio_with the autostart feature08:30
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Riddellmornfall: how does adept_installer decide if something is KDE or Gnome?08:36
hungerAUTSCH!08:39
seaLnecheck if it has a g or a k in its name? :)08:39
LureTonio_: I am thinking on anouncing test repo for powersave on forums (want more feedback)08:39
Tonio_Lure: do it :)08:40
marseillaiTonio_: ! ;) j'y suis dja08:40
hungerI've been wondering why OOo is behaving so strangly for the last couple of days...08:40
Tonio_I have enough bandwidth08:40
Tonio_marseillai: arf ;)08:40
hunger... and just noticed that It did not: I have been using kword all the time.08:40
Tonio_hunger: I'm dreaming of the day we will be able to remove OOo and put koffice by default in kubuntu :)08:42
Tonio_OOo isn't well integrated even with the qt bindings08:42
Tonio_and it's UI ressembles too much to a microsoft application :)08:42
Tonio_realy, it is like a mirror of msoffice actually.........08:42
Tonio_nothing original08:43
Tonio_a pure clone......08:43
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Tonio_Lure: any info concerning wpasupplicant in main ?08:45
Tonio_cause Ican't do anything with knm actually because of that.......08:46
LureKamion approved Siretart today to upload new package (since Keybuk is on vacation)08:46
Tonio_Lure: great08:46
Tonio_so everything should be fine in one or two days ?08:46
LureSiretart asked pitti to promove wpasupplicant to main, but I did not see response (my machine hung)08:46
Tonio_Lure: okay, good news :)08:47
Tonio_so we have to focus on the new tarball for knm, and making kmplayer approved and uploaded08:47
Tonio_then eventually ask for main inclusion since Riddell is interested in kmplayer by default in dapper on the konqueror part08:48
Riddellwhat's the status of kmplayer?08:48
LureTonio_: was knm package already REVued?08:48
seaLnecan anyone with koffice 1.5 try opening an html file in kword? it hung for me08:48
Tonio_Lure: well, impossible to revu it since it ftbfs ;)08:48
RiddellseaLne: works for me in kword 1.5 rc 108:49
Tonio_Riddell: any reason cdrdao isn't in main ?08:49
Tonio_because k3b is almost unsuable without it......08:50
Tonio_shouldn't we provide cdrdao with k3b ?08:50
RiddellTonio_: it is in main08:50
Tonio_Riddell: shouldn't k3b depend on cdrdao then ?08:50
RiddellTonio_: it recommends it08:51
Riddelland cdrdao is on the CD08:51
Riddellhello fxdarkplayer 08:51
Tonio_Riddell: yes, but as everyone installs it......08:51
Tonio_I just wonder why not simply making a dep on it08:51
RiddellTonio_: because you can use k3b without it, everyone did in breezy08:51
fxdarkplayerhello everybody 08:52
Tonio_Riddell: okay08:52
Tonio_Riddell: interested in revuing kmplayer ?08:59
Tonio_raphink is unavailable, so ^^08:59
robotgeekTonio_: did you have the kde beagle build for ppc also?08:59
Tonio_robotgeek: nope, I can't test09:00
Tonio_robotgeek: can you ?09:00
robotgeekTonio_: i can, but do i need to build 50 packages? :)09:00
Lurehunger: can you (and others) report your system in this table: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave09:01
RiddellTonio_: sure09:01
Tonio_robotgeek: nope, all dependancies are available for ppc09:01
Tonio_just pbuild the sources from my repo, and that should do the job :)09:02
Tonio_Riddell: thanks :)09:02
Lurerobotgeek: beagle should be in offical repo, you just need kerry/kio-beagle build09:02
robotgeekTonio_: cool, where is your repo again?09:02
Tonio_http://kubuntu.no-ip.org09:03
robotgeekTonio_: good catch for no-ip09:03
Tonio_robotgeek: hehe, I was surprised it wasn't already used :)09:04
RiddellTonio_: I see a file kmplayer-app.install but no kmplayer-app in debian/control09:04
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Tonio_Riddell: yes, true I need to correct this09:05
Tonio_it is correct on my repo, but Ididn't update revu....... sorry09:05
Tonio_Riddell: gimme a minute09:06
RiddellTonio_: why does it need to be split into different packages?09:06
Tonio_Riddell: tobe able to install just the embedded player without installing the standard one09:07
Tonio_and that's the way upstream provided his debian package also09:07
Tonio_even though it was horrible09:07
Riddellwe can't build-dep on libgstreamer0.8-dev09:07
Tonio_Riddell: yes, let me update the revu package with my latest one :)09:08
Tonio_Riddell: you don't have latest version actually :) I missed the revu update09:08
mornfallRiddell: the suite tag IIRC09:12
mornfallRiddell: right, suite::{kde,gnome}09:15
mornfalleither way, i'll go get some sleep now09:18
mornfallgn09:18
robotgeekTonio_: doesn't build is you have automake1.4 and automake1.9 installed09:19
Riddellnight mornfall 09:20
Tonio_robotgeek: do you use pbuilder ?09:20
Riddellrobotgeek: don't install automake1.4?09:20
Tonio_mornfall: nite :09:20
Tonio_:)09:20
robotgeekRiddell: i removed it, and it's building09:20
Tonio_Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=221009:20
Tonio_this one should be the good one ;)09:20
robotgeekTonio_: hmm, not that good at building stuff. fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage does it for me :)09:20
Tonio_Riddell: sorry for that error :)09:20
Tonio_robotgeek: I know automake is dirty, but I need to use it since I can't touch the tarball ;)09:21
Tonio_policy requirement09:21
Tonio_robotgeek: pbuilder is much easier than anuthing else for package builder09:21
robotgeekTonio_: hmm, okay. don't worry though, it seems to be building 09:21
Tonio_robotgeek: okay ;)09:21
robotgeekTonio_: hmm, maybe i'll learn for our next dev cycle :)09:22
jjessewhat is the easiest way to get debian installed with kde on it?  just install debian and make it a desktop or is there a better way?09:22
RiddellI've not installed debian in a long time09:22
seaLnethat works09:22
seaLneor basic install then kde09:23
jjessehow big of a virtual machine will i need?09:23
seaLne4 or 5?09:23
RiddellTonio_: there's still no kmplayer-app in debian/control09:24
RiddellTonio_: does it need kmplayer-base?  why not just make them part of kmplayer/09:24
Riddells/\//\?/09:24
Tonio_Riddell: yes, because kmplayer-app.install is removed09:24
Tonio_the goal is to have kmplayer-base09:24
Tonio_then kmplayer, the standard player, and kmplayer-konq-plugin09:25
Tonio_both depending kmplayer-base09:25
Tonio_this is the way you can install just the plugin without the standard player09:25
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that fine ?09:25
Tonio_hum........... didn't I removed that kmplayer-app.install ??????,09:26
Tonio_strange....09:26
Riddellthere's still kmplayer-app.install and kmplayer-app.menu09:27
Tonio_Riddell: it comes from the tarball........09:27
Tonio_I need to remove crappy debian folder in it09:27
Riddellaah, yes09:27
Tonio_that's why09:28
Riddellevil tar has a debian/ dir09:28
Tonio_let me change this09:28
Riddellremake the .orig then09:28
Tonio_yup09:28
robotgeekTonio_: simple question, how do i start/test09:29
robotgeeki found some setting in Kmenu -> Settings09:30
Tonio_Riddell: testing with new orig with pbuilder and reuploading, I will let you know09:30
Tonio_robotgeek: yes and ?09:31
Tonio_I don't understand your question :)09:31
Tonio_wanna test kio-beagle ?09:31
robotgeekTonio_: how do i start searching? it doesn't popup a window/anything after that09:31
Tonio_restart kde for kio to be loaded09:31
Tonio_and use it as a kio :)09:31
Tonio_beagle:/foo in konqueror09:32
Tonio_but you may have to wait a bit for beagle index to contain enough entries to make searches09:32
robotgeeki always forget to restart kde :)09:33
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Lureraphink blog was noticed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15086709:38
robotgeekTonio_: beagle seems to be indexing now, i guess i will report back soon09:42
Tonio_robotgeek: thanks a lot ;)09:42
Tonio_Riddell: is it possible to set the icon size is system tray ?09:43
Tonio_it stacks a bit with kde 3.5.209:43
Tonio_size should be reduced a bit........ I will searchhow to set this09:44
Tonio_same setting than in applauncher should be settable09:44
Lureallee: seen your report on powersave - do you use the latest one 0.12.7?09:45
Lureallee: I think cpu freq scaling is behaving better 09:45
alleeLure: Hi, yes 0.12.7-1ubuntu1, updated this morning.09:46
Lureinteresting09:46
Lurewill test this a bit more...09:46
alleeLure: Not I've not.  Last thursday I realized that kpowersave cpufreq-info -f (and -w) disagree with /proc/cpuinfo.  I'll try again ...09:47
RiddellTonio_: it's possible but 16x16 icons there are too small09:49
Tonio_Riddell: 24 is nice09:49
Tonio_it is the size I use with applauncher09:50
Riddellkde doesn't use 24, it uses 2209:50
Tonio_hum....... what is the size for applauncher ?09:50
Tonio_20 maybe......09:50
Riddell1609:50
Tonio_Riddell: yes, it is set to 16 for me09:51
Tonio_Riddell: is that too little for you ? looks nice to me ;)09:51
Tonio_looks nicer that having them stacking at the screen bottom...... just my two cents :)09:52
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superstonedkio-beagle and kerry now both have /usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop so dpkg complains...09:52
LureTonio_: 09:52
Luredpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-beagle_0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):09:52
Lure trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry09:52
superstonedi beat you, Lure :D09:52
superstonedlol09:52
Tonio_superstoned: ah ?09:53
Luresuperstoned: ;-)09:53
superstonedLure Tonio_: :D09:53
Tonio_Lure: that's why the .desktop should be provided by the beagle package........09:53
Tonio_can't we ask maintainer to do that ?09:53
superstonedbut beagle:/ doesn't work for me09:53
superstonedstill09:53
LureTonio_: you have just volunteered... ;-)09:53
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Tonio_Lure: hehe :)09:54
Tonio_okay, I'll do ;)09:54
superstoned(after installing and getting beagle running, kerry works, but beagle:/ in konqi just brings me to google...)09:54
Tonio_Lure: better is to put NoDisplay=true in it also09:55
Tonio_no need for an entry in kmenu for this I think09:55
LureIs this the one which gets in System (the only one)?09:57
Tonio_superstoned: did you restart kde ?09:57
Lures/System/Settings/09:57
Tonio_that's a requirement09:57
Tonio_Lure: I will send an email to beagle's maintainer asking for a desktop entry in /usr/share/autostart09:58
LureTonio_: while doing that, ask also to split package to base + gnome shit ;-)09:59
robotgeekTonio_: hmm, initial indexing seems very nice09:59
Lureif n-m did it, they can also do it ;-)09:59
Tonio_Lure: no chance for this.......;09:59
Tonio_Lure: n-m did it because we did the package :)10:00
LureI know - mono - it speaks for itself ;-)10:00
Lurewe are lucky that f-spot and banshee were not part of it... ;-) 10:00
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Lure;-)10:01
robotgeekTonio_: it seems to be workig fine for kmail text messages, but if it has non text attachements, it's not opening/messing up10:01
robotgeekmaybe i should wait till indexing completes, might take ages. :)10:02
Tonio_robotgeek: unfortunatelly yes ;)10:06
robotgeekwhere do file bugs on your packages :)10:06
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Tonio_Riddell: there's an issue with revu........ it rejects my rebuilt tarball......10:13
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Tonio_Lure: slomo is adding the desktop file in the begle package :)10:14
Tonio_we have to wait a bit10:14
LureTonio_: great10:14
Tonio_Lure: I'm testing the splitted package asking :)10:15
Lure;-) maybe he has a good day10:15
Lureand we are lucky10:16
Tonio_Lure: will be uploaded in a few minutes :)10:16
Tonio_so we can remove that desktop file in the package10:17
Tonio_but we should do that in kerry too :)10:17
LureTonio_: fine with me10:17
Tonio_Lure: if you see jpatrick before me, can you ask him to remove that from his package ?10:17
Lureok, will do10:18
Tonio_make a 0ubuntu2 and reupload10:18
RiddellTonio_: what does it say is the problem?10:18
Tonio_Riddell: because the orig version is the same, it doesn't consider it and keeps the old one, crappy, with debian/ folder10:18
Tonio_Riddell: I'm asking for package nuking10:19
Tonio_but no revu admin is available......10:19
Tonio_Riddell: are you revu admin ?10:19
Tonio_raphink is, but not here....10:19
Tonio_that's a known problem on revu.......10:20
Riddelltsk10:22
Tonio_Riddell: slomo looking at it10:23
Tonio_Riddell: slomo isn't very hot for nuking the package........ need to wait for siretart10:27
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Tonio_or raphink maybe....10:28
superstonedtonio: no, i'll try that in a minute.10:28
Tonio_superstoned: that's the reason10:28
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superstonedok10:29
superstonedtnx10:29
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hungerSo far I have not seen any negative effects of using kde 3.5.2...11:13
hungerTonio_: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry11:17
hungerTonio_: When updating kio-beagle.11:17
Tonio_hunger: yes, known issue, slomo added the desktop file directly in beagle package11:18
Tonio_I have upadted the package on revu, it doesn't have the issue11:18
Lurehunger: can you report your powersave experience to KubuntuPowersave wiki page?11:18
Tonio_hunger: I'm updating the package on my repo11:19
Tonio_we will have to update kerry also11:19
Tonio_because it will crate a conflict with beagle11:19
Tonio_already seen a video of skyos ???????11:31
Tonio_quite impressive :)11:31
Lure?11:32
Tonio_http://www.skyos.org/media/videos/mediastation/presentation.html11:32
Tonio_look at that :)11:32
Tonio_it is a proprietary os in developpement11:32
Tonio_amazing, really :)11:32
Tonio_Lure: i is mostly developped by ONE guy11:33
Tonio_a genius for sure.......11:33
Tonio_the only thing he didn't dvelopp is icons :)11:34
Tonio_taken from kde11:34
Tonio_the amazing thing is that it can NATIVELLY work with both windows and linux applications :)11:35
Tonio_sounds completly crazy, but that's it11:35
Tonio_Lure: correction : it WAS supposed to be native, but it isn't :)11:41
Riddelldo we know Yuriy Kozlov?11:41
Tonio_hehe, anyway, that's quite impressive11:41
Tonio_Riddell: never heard about11:41
Riddellhe's been doing a fair bit of kubuntu bug triage11:41
LureRiddell: seen many bug work by him, but no11:42
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RiddellI'll send him an e-mail11:47
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm testing kaffeine 0.8 and finally there are interesting features in it :)12:02
Tonio_Riddell: while we may use kmplayer for konq, are you still interested with 0.8 version ?12:03

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