[12:03] <raphink> there's something weird btw apachelogger
[12:03] <raphink> I don't see kblogger on ppc
[12:05] <raphink> ah! it was renamed
[12:05] <raphink> hehe
[12:05] <raphink> apachelogger: did you request a UVFe ?
[12:05] <Riddell> danimo: we can try, find someone to package it and ask for UVF exception
[12:05] <apachelogger> raphink: not yet
[12:06] <raphink> ok
[12:06] <raphink> please do
[12:06] <apachelogger> raphink: Tonio_ though I should just file a bug instead of mail the list
[12:06] <raphink> file a bugt
[12:06] <apachelogger> therefore a diffstat would be usefull ;-)
[12:06] <raphink> attach the diffstat
[12:06] <raphink> and the changelog
[12:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: file a bug, assign it to the good launchpad group
[12:06] <Tonio_> that will mail the list automatically
[12:06] <raphink> explain why it should be added
[12:06] <raphink> and assign the bug to motu-uvf
[12:06] <raphink> Tonio_: :p
[12:07] <apachelogger> ah
[12:07] <apachelogger> got it :D
[12:07] <apachelogger> though the diffstat is kinda useless
=== Tonio_ is testing the patch for kmplayer, to use default config file
[12:07] <raphink> hehe :)
=== raphink is building kdelibs with the pach for lisa
=== Lure will wait for results, even though he is half sleeping... ;)
[12:07] <raphink> crossing fingers hoping it will work this time
=== raphink is building kblogger on tiber
[12:10] <apachelogger> hooray :)
[12:10] <Lure> raphink: there is new powersave - can you build for ppc?
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: plugin works :)
[12:10] <raphink> Lure: sure
[12:10] <raphink> if you have the source
[12:10] <Lure> Tonio_: nice, now I deserve some sleep ;-)
[12:10] <raphink> and when I'm done with my bugfix
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: I have learned something today, thanks :)
[12:11] <Lure> raphink: source is in Tonio_'s repo
[12:11] <raphink> ok
[12:11] <Lure> i386 packages too
[12:11] <raphink> then ;)
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer now working fine, do you want me to create default config for kmplayer plugin in k-d-s ?
[12:11] <Tonio_> raphink: wait a bit, changelog polishing needed :)
[12:11] <raphink> ok
[12:11] <raphink> I'll wait
[12:11] <raphink> np
[12:12] <Lure> ok, good night everybody
[12:13] <raphink> night Lure
[12:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does the default config go?
[12:13] <Tonio_> Lure: nite and thanks :)
[12:13] <Riddell> s/go/do/
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: make usage of xine by default
[12:13] <Tonio_> and make kmplayer prior to kaffeine
[12:13] <Tonio_> that needs tobe done in k-d-s
[12:14] <Tonio_> no way to set it somewhere else
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: by default the latest installed is prior, which isn't very convenient
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can force file association in k-d-s
[12:15] <raphink> apachelogger: when/if the UVFe is approved, I'm ok with this package
[12:15] <Tonio_> but kmplayer is way better than kaffeine on the embedded part........ uncomparable
[12:16] <apachelogger> raphink: well, what todo with the diffstat?
[12:16] <apachelogger> attach as is?
[12:16] <raphink> apachelogger: is the debdiff really huge?
[12:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes
[12:16] <raphink> I'd say yes apachelogger
[12:16] <apachelogger> nope
[12:16] <apachelogger> second
[12:16] <raphink> and I'd really enjoy it if upstream devs would provide the image sources too :)
[12:17] <raphink> and build the images into pngs in the Makefiles
[12:17] <raphink> :)
[12:17] <apachelogger> debidff is 310kb
[12:17] <raphink> so we have _real_ opensource 
[12:17] <raphink> yes that's too huge apachelogger
[12:17] <Tonio_> we need so many main inclusion.......... pfiuuuuuuu
[12:17] <raphink> is the changelog verboses enough ?
[12:17] <apachelogger> ok :)
[12:17] <apachelogger> raphink: not really, though the changes are mainly just redesigned / imported stuff
[12:18] <raphink> ok
[12:18] <raphink> let's see
[12:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I wonder if making it use xine should be done in the package, since xine is in main and mplayer is in multiverse
[12:18] <raphink> well i'll have a look at it later
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: that is done in the package
[12:18] <raphink> Tonio_: ping me when powersave is ready to build
=== apachelogger got lost in it's konqueror windows
[12:18] <Tonio_> the "prior to kaffeine" needs to be done in k-d-s
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package already forces xine by default
[12:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: groovy
[12:18] <Riddell> then yeah, a patch for k-d-s would be good
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I had to patch since the default config was only read by the standard player, not the embedded.......
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: lure found the clue :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> raphink: you can build powersave, lure has acces to my repo and uploaded it
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't it be interesting tohave a testing/experimental repo ?
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you an see, everyone works on mine actually, but the bandwidth may not be enough in a few weeks :)
[12:20] <raphink> Tonio_: ok
[12:21] <Tonio_> raphink: you can apt-get source kmplayer in 5 minutes
[12:22] <raphink> ok
[12:22] <raphink> well I need to finishing building kdelibs
[12:22] <toma> raphink: successfull build earlier?
[12:23] <raphink> toma: no, I had forgotten to add #include <qlabel.h>
[12:23] <raphink> no I have added and I'm building again
[12:23] <raphink> hopefully it will work
[12:23] <toma> ok
[12:23] <raphink> good occasion to learn C++ a bit
[12:23] <raphink> :)
[12:23] <raphink> can be useful
[12:23] <toma> yeah ;-), it is not that difficullt ;-)
[12:23] <raphink> and Qt in particular
[12:23] <raphink> toma: yes, when you get into it I'm sure :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you're interested for wlassistant replacing kwifimanager, shouldn't we revu it ?
[12:24] <Tonio_> raphink: interested ?
[12:24] <raphink> in what?
[12:24] <Tonio_> revuing wlassistant, because it can potentially replace kwifimanager
[12:25] <raphink> well not right now
[12:25] <raphink> because I'm busy
[12:25] <raphink> and I have no wifi anyway so I can't test it
[12:25] <Tonio_> as networkmanager/knetwirkmanager isn't installed by default with the install cd
[12:25] <Tonio_> (for what I know)
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: certainly should
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: please put it up there
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2191
[12:34] <apachelogger> raphink: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kblogger/+bug/36787 shall I attach anything else?
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36787 in kblogger kicker-kblogger "UVF Exception 0.4.1 -> 0.5" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:38] <raphink> toma: it fails again
[12:38] <raphink> it has to return a KCModule
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: k-d-s ready, do you want it by mail ?
[12:39] <toma> raphink: yep, as i noted earlier
[12:39] <raphink> yep
[12:39] <raphink> maybe I could create a KCModule variable with my text in it
[12:41] <toma> raphink: take a look at http://pastebin.com/623628
[12:41] <raphink> yes
[12:41] <raphink> I know that
[12:41] <toma> at the end you see reportError returns a KCMError with the error
[12:42] <raphink> KCMError obviously returns a KCModule
[12:42] <raphink> that contains the text
[12:42] <toma> that is what you want isn\t it?
[12:42] <raphink> I guess
[12:42] <raphink> that's interesting
[12:42] <raphink> I could just return new KCMError
[12:43] <raphink> with the text I want
[12:43] <toma> so you can make a second reportError, like reportErrorKUbuntu or take a shortcut and return the new KCMError
[12:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[12:44] <raphink> yes
[12:44] <raphink> indeed
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: email going right now
[12:44] <raphink> toma: http://pastebin.com/624032
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if you want to test kmplayer, simply install kmplayer-konq-plugin from my repo
[12:45] <Tonio_> raphink: you know what?
[12:45] <toma> raphink: right
[12:45] <raphink> Tonio_: what?
[12:45] <Tonio_> the best kde based distro ever ;)
[12:45] <raphink> hehe
[12:45] <raphink> :)
[12:45] <Tonio_> we're gonna do it ;)
[12:45] <raphink> I hope so :)
[12:45] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:45] <raphink> and I'm gonna do this lisa stuff now :p
[12:46] <raphink> I will do it
[12:46] <raphink> :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> is she blond ? ^_^
[12:46] <raphink> hehe
[12:46] <raphink> hmpf
[12:46] <raphink> I don't like blond much
[12:46] <Tonio_> I mean *real* blond
[12:46] <Tonio_> my girlfriend is ;)
[12:46] <raphink> hehe
[12:47] <raphink> good4you
[12:50] <toma> raphink: but, i now recall that the module name was empty in the error, wasn't it?
[12:50] <raphink> wait
[12:50] <raphink> yes toma
[12:50] <toma> so, how is that going to enter the routine then?
[12:51] <raphink> I don't know
[12:51] <raphink> we'll see
[12:51] <raphink> ;)
[12:51] <raphink> I'll try and see what I can do
[12:51] <raphink> :)
[12:51] <toma> ow ok
[12:53] <toma> (so you want to build it, ignoring the fact that it will not work)
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[12:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: wlassistant doesn't come with its own icons?
[12:56] <raphink> toma: why would it not work?
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope
[12:56] <Riddell> how peculiar
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, it comes with a dirty xpm one, and an svg
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: but no png.........
[12:57] <toma> raphink: well, the mod.moduleName() is empty, else it would have been visible in the current error, so it will not enter the loop with the special error
[12:57] <Riddell> another scons package, shame kde isn't going to use scons
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I added that little algo to build them
[12:57] <raphink> ah right toma
[12:57] <raphink> good point :)
[12:57] <toma> pfew.
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: well scons makes it easy to compile, but a pain to package :)
[12:58] <raphink> hehe sorry toma ;)
=== Tonio_ hope a good scons.mk will soon be provided
[12:58] <raphink> it's just a bit hard for me
[12:58] <toma> raphink: np
[12:59] <toma> in the current error: "The desktop file %1 could not be found." is there %1 also empty?
[01:00] <raphink> hmmmmmm
[01:00] <raphink> it seems so
[01:00] <raphink> and then we get "desktop" for the file name
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: correction : wlassistant only comes with a dirty xpm icon, no svg ;)
[01:01] <toma> raphink: pfew, tough
[01:01] <raphink>    lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);
[01:01] <raphink> where do we get this "kcmlisa" in loadModule?
[01:01] <raphink> KCModule* KCModuleLoader::loadModule(const KCModuleInfo &mod, ErrorReporting report, bool withfallback, QWidget * parent, const char * name, const QStringList & args )
[01:02] <raphink> given that it's a KCModuleinfo type
[01:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: patch it not to use ksystray command, and use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true instead of sudo
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true is better than kdesu ?
[01:03] <raphink> toma: there must be a method of the module to get this info back
[01:03] <toma> raphink: reading the api now
[01:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[01:05] <toma> raphink: try the moduleName() entry, it should work
[01:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch was already done (it appears I didn't upload the good version on revu)
[01:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing and reuploading
[01:06] <raphink> toma: well it doesn't, we see it iin the error
[01:06] <toma> raphink: maybe it now showing is another bug
[01:06] <toma> s/now/not/
[01:07] <raphink> we'll see
[01:07] <raphink> I'll try with the moduleName()
[01:08] <toma> maybe add some debugging
[01:08] <raphink> how?
[01:08] <toma> check and if needed a #include "kdebug.h"
[01:09] <toma> and add a kdDebug() << "Desktop file requested " << moduleName() << " - " << fileName() << endl;
[01:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: new k-d-s looks good, I'll upload
[01:09] <toma> just before the if loop
[01:10] <raphink> btw
[01:10] <raphink> i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName())
[01:10] <raphink> is ugly
[01:10] <raphink> it opens a p tag and doesn't close it 
[01:10] <raphink> ;)
[01:10] <toma> right. the devil is in the detail
[01:10] <raphink> hehe
[01:12] <raphink> toma: http://pastebin.com/624072
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[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[01:13] <raphink> then I define the kubuntuLisaReportError
[01:13] <toma> ok
[01:14] <raphink> toma: if the moduleName() call works, that should work, right?
[01:14] <toma> yes
[01:15] <raphink> can you try to build it ?
[01:15] <raphink> please :)
[01:15] <toma> yes, can you mail me the diff ?
[01:16] <raphink> I just sent it through DCC
[01:16] <raphink> didn't you get it?
[01:17] <raphink> I can send it by mail if you prefer though
[01:17] <raphink> toma: what email ?
[01:17] <toma> it is 0 bytes
[01:17] <toma> tomalbers@kde.nl
[01:17] <raphink> ah?
[01:19] <raphink> sent toma
[01:20] <raphink> Riddell: I just had the po files for adept and systemsettings updated in the KDE svn 
[01:20] <raphink> how can it be synced ?
[01:21] <raphink> toma: did you get the mail?
[01:21] <toma> not yet
[01:21] <raphink> ok
[01:21] <toma> got it
[01:22] <raphink> ok :)
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[01:23] <raphink> wb Tonio_
[01:23] <Tonio_> raphink: wb ?
[01:23] <Tonio_> welcome back ?
[01:23] <raphink> welcome back 
[01:24] <toma> raphink: 'kubuntuLisaReportError' was not declared
=== Tonio_ is sometimes stupid ;)
[01:24] <raphink> really?
[01:24] <raphink> it's declared in the end
[01:24] <raphink> oooh
[01:24] <raphink> it has to be declared in the .h right?
[01:24] <raphink> huhu
[01:24] <toma> yep
[01:24] <toma> let me do that
[01:24] <raphink> ok :)
[01:25] <raphink>     static KCModule* kubuntuLisaReportError( ErrorReporting report, const QString & text,
[01:25] <raphink>         QString details, QWidget * parent );
[01:25] <raphink> right ?
[01:26] <toma> exactly
[01:27] <toma> raphink: indeed a ";" behind it, static in front and remove the class name. Very well. 10 points ;-)
[01:27] <toma> it compiles
[01:28] <raphink> hehe :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2191
[01:29] <raphink> actually I just copied the reportError one and changed it
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be okay now
[01:29] <raphink> :
[01:29] <raphink> :)
[01:29] <toma> raphink: i know ;-)
[01:29] <raphink> hehe
[01:30] <raphink> toma: I guess I owe you some help on packaging whenever you decide to do it
[01:30] <raphink> ;)
[01:30] <toma> raphink: but it will still popup, you know that, right?
[01:30] <raphink> why?
[01:31] <toma> in the caller you see a "Both" 
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you suggest renaming to kde-wlassistant ?
[01:31] <Tonio_> the package has been rejected by elmo apparently......;
[01:31] <Tonio_> should have been uploaded already.
[01:31] <toma> in the new method you added there is a Dialog and a Inline at the bottom, my guess is that thhey are related
[01:32] <raphink> oooh
[01:32] <raphink> yes
[01:32] <raphink> that's right
[01:32] <toma> raphink: so you could change the caller to "Inline" or change your method to comment out the messagebox
[01:32] <raphink> I shall remove the Dialog part
[01:32] <raphink> or call the Inline one
[01:32] <raphink> yes
[01:33] <toma> raphink: confirmed, see: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ei6ZN523.html
[01:34] <toma> change it to Inline is the best solution indeed
[01:34] <raphink> yes
[01:34] <raphink> so just call it with 1
[01:34] <raphink> well actually you know what?
[01:34] <raphink> it seems I don't have to create this new function
[01:34] <raphink> I can just call to Inline
[01:34] <toma> yep
[01:34] <raphink> and send a custom details
[01:34] <raphink> and that will do
[01:34] <toma> yep
[01:35] <raphink> :)
[01:35] <raphink> let me do that :)
[01:35] <raphink> hehe
[01:36] <raphink> :)
[01:39] <raphink> toma: so I have to call with report & Inline instead of just report ?
[01:40] <toma> hmm, the caller no states 'Both' right?
[01:40] <raphink> no
[01:40] <raphink> :(
[01:41] <raphink> it says
[01:41] <raphink> return reportError( report,
[01:41] <raphink>         i18n("The module %1 could not be found.")
[01:41] <raphink>         .arg( mod.moduleName() ), i18n("<qt><p>The diagnostics is:<br>The desktop file %1 could not be found.</qt>").arg(mod.fileName()), parent );
[01:41] <raphink> so I don't see where I should say to not use Dialog
[01:41] <toma> no, in the caller of that method
[01:41] <raphink> hmmm
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[01:41] <raphink> :s
[01:42] <raphink> how do you mean ? :'(
[01:42] <toma> lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Both, &tabs);
[01:42] <raphink> ah!
[01:42] <toma> lisaPage = KCModuleLoader::loadModule("kcmlisa", KCModuleLoader::Inline, &tabs);
[01:43] <raphink> wow I _really_ don't get it anymore
[01:43] <raphink> hehe
[01:43] <raphink> but it's ok
[01:44] <toma> KCModuleLoader::Inline is send to KCModuleLoader::loadModule
[01:44] <raphink> yes
[01:44] <raphink> as second argument 
[01:44] <toma> it is the second argument, so it is stored in 'report'
[01:44] <raphink> for ErrorReporting report
[01:44] <raphink> but then why not call it directly in KCModuleloader ?
[01:44] <raphink> load sorry
[01:45] <toma> that will go as first param to reportError()
[01:45] <raphink> like
[01:46] <raphink> return reportError( KCModuleLoader::Inline, blah
[01:46] <raphink> wouldn't that work?
[01:46] <raphink> I guess it's just dirty
[01:46] <raphink> ;)
[01:46] <toma> yep
[01:46] <raphink> as it overrdies what is sent by the caller
[01:47] <raphink> so we lose the track of this parameter the caller sent 
[01:47] <toma> but the next packager will search his ass of for it
[01:47] <raphink> yes
[01:47] <raphink> that's right
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[01:47] <raphink> but then I have to modify two packages
[01:47] <raphink> kdelibs && kdebase
[01:47] <raphink> whereas if I only modify the lib, only kdelibs has to be modified
[01:47] <raphink> so it's easier
[01:47] <toma> ok, in this case you can get away with it
[01:48] <raphink> hehe
[01:49] <raphink> ok let's try
[01:49] <raphink> I'll send you the new patch
[01:51] <raphink> sent
[01:51] <Tonio_> raphink: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27574-Qui-veut-fabriquer-son-propre-baladeur-numer.htm
[01:51] <Tonio_> raphink: mattemoi ca ;)
[01:52] <raphink> grrr
[01:52] <raphink> my smtp fails
[01:53] <raphink> toma: did you get it?
[01:53] <raphink> Tonio_: intressant
[01:53] <raphink> on s'en fait un chacun dimanche prochain ? 
[01:53] <raphink> lol
[01:53] <Tonio_> raphink: ca me botte de le faire moi ;)
[01:53] <raphink> :)
[01:53] <raphink> clair
[01:53] <Tonio_> serieux, j'ai des telephones, donc pas de soucis pour l'ecran
[01:53] <raphink> :)
[01:54] <raphink> pareil j'ai des vieux tlphones
[01:54] <raphink> c'est open-source le soft je suppose
[01:56] <raphink> toma: does it work now?
[01:57] <toma> raphink: yes, that compiles
[01:57] <raphink> :)
[01:57] <toma> raphink: cant check if it works though
[01:57] <raphink> ok
[01:57] <raphink> but it builds
[01:57] <raphink> I guess the kio would have to be rebuilt on top of this now
[01:58] <Tonio_> raphink: vi open source ;) le seul bleme, c'est la finition........... tu feras jamais un truc pro a la maison
[01:58] <raphink> bof ;)
[01:58] <raphink> a dpend 
[01:59] <raphink> toma: ok then I'll try to build kdelibs again
[01:59] <toma> raphink: ok, let me know if it works.
[01:59] <raphink> and then build kcontrol on top of it
[01:59] <raphink> :)
[01:59] <toma> bed now!
[01:59] <raphink> I hope it does :)
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: wlassistant est advoc
[01:59] <raphink> thanks for all toma && good night
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: merci
[01:59] <toma> me too, good night
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[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: was kerry uploaded?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think jpatrick did it yes :)
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: 3 yes for wlassistant, can I upload it ?
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: please do
[02:08] <Tonio_> I think you have a script to auto ask for uvfe ?
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: who also approved wlassistant?
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope it will not be rejected this time.......
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: already approved long time ago
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: new packages don't need an upstream version freeze exception
[02:08] <Tonio_> already uploaded, but it never went in universe........
[02:08] <Tonio_> I don't know why
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, right
[02:08] <Tonio_> maybe elmo because of it's name
[02:08] <Tonio_> kde-wlassistant maybe ?
[02:08] <Riddell> I doubt it, doesn't seem very generic
[02:09] <Riddell> just upload again and see what happens
[02:09] <Tonio_> wlassistant is comparable to pwmanager
[02:09] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> same semantic, and pwmanager was rejected
[02:09] <raphink> generic names are only acceptable for gnome apps for elmo ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> raphink: +++++++++
[02:09] <Tonio_>  :)
[02:10] <raphink> hehe
[02:10] <Riddell> is there a kio-beagle?
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded to ubuntu
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28437
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: kio beagle :)
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: want a package ?
[02:12] <Riddell> sure :)
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to be unsupported........ 30 august for latest version......
[02:12] <raphink> ouch
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: not sure that can work with latest beagle version........
[02:13] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[02:13] <Tonio_> raphink: best method to know is to try no ?? ^^
[02:13] <raphink> Tonio_: you could try
[02:13] <raphink> yep 
[02:14] <raphink> and if it works, having it in kubuntu might help developping it
[02:14] <raphink> the more people use it, the fastest it tends to grow
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: kio-beagle building
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[02:41] <raphink> Riddell: how long do you think we need to test kde 3.5.2 before including it?
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried and it doesn't build........... seems to be outdated compared to actual beagle
[02:48] <Riddell> raphink: I've asked for the UVFe
[02:48] <raphink> Riddell: for KDE ?
[02:48] <Riddell> but 3.5.2 isn't released yet remember
[02:48] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[02:48] <raphink> great :)
[02:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it
[02:48] <raphink> It seems to work great so far
[02:48] <raphink> I have no problem with it at all
[02:49] <raphink> all big bugs we have fixed have been fixed in it
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: wait, I have found patches for 0.2.x compatibility :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> hehehe
[02:49] <raphink> and many others it seems
[02:49] <raphink> looks much more like a bugfix than 3.5.1
[02:49] <raphink> :)
[02:49] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe
[02:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, thanks for looking at it
[02:51] <Riddell> hmm, no
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[02:51] <raphink> good night Riddell
[02:51] <raphink> I'll send you the kdelibs patch for lisa
[02:51] <raphink> if it works :)
[02:53] <Tonio_> nite Riddell
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[04:56] <Tonio_> for interested tester : kio-beagle available on revu and on my repo : http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
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[06:34] <glick> hello?
[06:34] <glick> anyone here?
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[08:11] <Tm_T> hmm hmm hmm
[08:11] <Tm_T> 3... no, 5 irc clients open
[08:11] <Tm_T> =)
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[08:11] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: why?
[08:11] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: good guestion =)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> 5 windows, or 5 clients?
[08:11] <Tm_T> 5 clients
[08:11] <Tm_T> all separate
[08:12] <Tm_T> in three different pc's
[08:13] <Tm_T> ok, normally I just have 3 irssi running but now I have chatzilla and Kopete also in irc
[08:14] <Hobbsee> ouch
[08:16] <Tm_T> yeah =)
[08:16] <Tm_T> 3 irssi in 4 different networks and ~50 channels
[08:16] <Tm_T> and don't say I'm addicted!
[08:16] <Tm_T> because I'm not!
[08:16] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:17] <Tm_T> some alien ->
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[08:24] <Tm_T> ach, no luck
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[10:37] <superstoned> Tonio: wanna test kio-beagle and kerry but why o why does beagle have so many dep's?!?!? 40 packages to install to get beagle to install - AS BACKEND, not even with a gui...
[10:41] <freeflying> superstoned: where is kio_beagle
[10:41] <superstoned>  http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[10:41] <superstoned> can't find kerry, btw, u know where it is?
[10:42] <freeflying> superstoned: I've packaged the latest kerry , you need it ?
[10:42] <superstoned> i'd like to test it, yes
[10:43] <freeflying> superstoned: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying
[10:43] <superstoned> (just installed beagle for first time, btw, so i guess it'll be busy indexing for some time).
[10:43] <superstoned> tnx
[10:43] <superstoned> btw how big does the beagle database become>
[10:43] <superstoned> ?
[10:44] <freeflying> superstoned:  up to how many dirs do you wanna index 
[10:44] <superstoned> a lot... a lot. several gigs with mp3, movies, doc's, a few thousand mails.
[10:46] <superstoned> btw on your site, i get with a right mouse klick a submenu with kubuntu package menu -> install package, but dpkg apparently doesn't accept ftp packages. shouldn't this option be hidden for ftp or even all non-local protocols?
[10:46] <freeflying> superstoned: I haven't try with in that way 
[10:46] <superstoned> freeflying: i mainly wonder if it will be eg 50 mb or 500 mb or 5000 mb...
[10:48] <freeflying> superstoned: my is 193M , I index almost full system 
[10:48] <superstoned> ok, guess it'll be 500 max then :D
[10:48] <superstoned> tnx
[10:48] <superstoned> btw
[10:48] <superstoned> kerry does not install
[10:48] <freeflying> superstoned: I have 30G movie and songs 
[10:49] <superstoned> i have a little more, but not that serious
[10:49] <freeflying> superstoned: install it in konsole 
[10:50] <superstoned> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/624636
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[10:50] <superstoned> (rmb and use the install option)
[10:50] <superstoned> where can i find qt 3.3.6?!?
[10:51] <freeflying> superstoned: also above url
[10:51] <superstoned> ok
[10:52] <freeflying> superstoned: how about your downloadin speed
[10:52] <superstoned> was slow
[10:52] <superstoned> some 10kb/sec? (not sure)
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[11:17] <superstoned> freeflying: installing did work now. kerry is configured. but now - when/how will beagle start?
[11:18] <freeflying> superstoned: do search , it will allow you start beagle
[11:18] <superstoned> ok
[11:18] <superstoned> tnx
[11:19] <superstoned> its started i guess
[11:22] <freeflying> superstoned: it will index 
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[12:07] <raphink|sleep> toma_: it doesn't work :(
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[12:40] <alerim> hi there
[12:42] <alerim> I got a bug on KDE 3.5.2, I get "Unable to load the  Display  module" in System Settings -> Display
[12:45] <raphink> _Sime: ping
[12:47] <sebas> alerim: Could you run kcmshell displayconfig?
[12:48] <sebas> That should give meaningful errormessages.
[12:48] <sebas> Meaningful to developers, that is.
[12:48] <alerim> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-1: invalid data
[12:49] <alerim> maybe you want the stack trace
[12:49] <raphink> ah interesting
[12:49] <raphink> tonio has got the same error iirc
[12:49] <raphink> and I've got 
[12:49] <raphink> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'
[12:49] <raphink> error: *** runFunction failure
[12:49] <raphink> ;)
[12:49] <alerim> http://pastebin.com/624746
[12:50] <sebas> Ah, that should've been fixed in recent snapshots.
[12:51] <raphink> sebas: ?
[12:51] <sebas> raphink: "?"?
[12:51] <raphink> alerim just upgraded iirc and I am up-to-date too
[12:51] <raphink> 4 days ago, the module worked for me
[12:51] <raphink> then it got broken again
[12:51] <sebas> With snapshots, I mean "svn".
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[12:52] <raphink> for both errors sebas?
[12:52] <sebas> Yesterday, half past 2 pm, CEST.
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[12:52] <sebas> Yours is a different one, raphink?
[12:52] <raphink> yes
[12:52] <raphink> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'
[12:52] <raphink> error: *** runFunction failure
[12:52] <raphink> that's what I get
[12:52] <raphink> on PPC
[12:53] <sebas> There's a fix for that that went in on friday night, could you check svn?
[12:54] <raphink> I don't have a co here and I'm a bit busy so not now
[12:54] <raphink> but ok :)
[12:56] <sebas> Ok, try it when you have some time.
[12:56] <raphink> sure
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[01:39] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping
[01:39] <Hobbsee> oops, i think i wanted tonio...
[01:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[01:40] <Lure> ;-)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> whoever's messed with the latest kpowersave is the one that i want...
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[01:51] <Tm_T> :)
[01:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: unfortunately there's no way to adjust sunlight
[01:52] <Hobbsee> true
[01:52] <Tm_T> just imagine, shiny snow everywhere and bright sun...
[01:52] <Tm_T> still hurting my eyes =)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've been in that...too darned bright!
[01:52] <Riddell> how do people get any work done in Finland?  don't they want to go sledging every day?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> evening Riddell 
[01:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: =)
[01:53] <Riddell> it's the Australia, I never worked out why they don't all go surfing every day
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[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bluebottles and sharks seem to get in teh way, you know :P
=== Hobbsee isnt near a beach anyway
[01:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: you don't see beauty too close of you... human nature
[01:54] <Tm_T> I spent some time today just sitting and looking birds singing and fighting of food
[01:54] <Tm_T> and yeah, getting blind =)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:56] <Tm_T> partly because of my medication, makes me calm :)
[01:56] <Tm_T> also don't feel pain that much, good thing
[01:58] <Tm_T> but now some packaging exercises ->
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kde 3.5.2 seems to work quite well, from waht i've seen so far...
[01:58] <mornfall> raphink: sup?
[01:58] <raphink>  I'm good
[01:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: great, thanks
[01:59] <raphink> still trying to fix that lisa stuff in kcontrol :s
[01:59] <raphink> fighting with it
[01:59] <raphink> yes 3.5.2 works well
[01:59] <raphink> there are a few bugs
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: except for the borked kpowersave, which i'll growl at tonio_ for :P
[01:59] <raphink> like in kopete for ex
[02:01] <Tm_T> ?
[02:01] <Tm_T> raphink: go on
[02:02] <Hobbsee> what kopete bug?
[02:02] <raphink> go to Configure in Kopete
[02:02] <raphink> and click on the Peripherals tab
[02:02] <raphink> big badaboom :)
[02:02] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, fixed in 0.12 ;)
[02:02] <raphink> hmm ok
[02:02] <raphink> but 0.12 won't be in Dapper
[02:02] <Tm_T> that's why I'm working on with 0.12 release
[02:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: I did new powersave, but I am not responsible for brigthness feature - we should bug upstream
[02:03] <raphink> so I'd like it fixed in 0.11.1 too
[02:03] <Tm_T> raphink: 0.11.2
[02:03] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, i now dont have the suspend/hibernate options, and my hotkeys to dull the screen dont work.  fortunately, it can be dulled in the bios
[02:03] <raphink> Tm_T: ok
[02:04] <Tm_T> raphink: it's 0.11.2 in KDE 3.5.2
[02:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: did you removed divert for /usr/sbin/acpid (see wiki)?
[02:04] <raphink> not in my version Tm_T
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: no, i didnt know it had been updated
[02:04] <raphink> bbl
[02:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: we changed the divert (removed it) in order to not conflict for users with ubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <Lure> also special keys of some notebooks (toshiba, ibm) did not work
[02:07] <Lure> what kind of noteboot do you have?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Lure: right.  toshiba a10 satellite.   they've always worked
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hibernate/suspend hasnt, but the monitor keys, and the brightness keys, have always worked
[02:08] <Lure> interesting - also with last powersave?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> nope, everything worked in the last kpowersave.
[02:08] <Lure> I got some reports telling me the opossite (worked with klaptop, broke with kpowersave)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, it didnt work with klaptop, sorry
[02:09] <Lure> but anyway, your toshiba requires events also in /etc/acpi/event which were diverted by old powersave package
[02:09] <Hobbsee> it did work with all previous versions of kpowersave
[02:09] <Hobbsee> right, so how do i change that?
[02:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave (under installing)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> right, so it's the same as what i'm doing now
[02:10] <Lure> I would also suggest reboot after this and please check that /usr/sbin/acpid is binary and not script
[02:10] <Hobbsee> my head's hurting pretty badly, so sorry for seeming like an idiot...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> how do i check that?  ls?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> ack!!!!
[02:12] <Hobbsee> my eyes!
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[02:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: thankyou thankyou thankyou!
[02:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: glad that it works for you
[02:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:24] <Lure> btw, hibernate/suspend never worked for you?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: never in breezy, i think hibernate sorta worked - was very slow, and the network wouldnt reboot, so i'd just have to reboot anyway to get everything working properly.  it did in the earlier dapper versions of klaptop for a while (the hibernate), but then borked (crashed when you hit hibernate/suspend)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> but kpowersave is the first time it's worked properly - boots down as it's told to, comes back up, with network/wireless card/sound/touchpad/etc
[02:27] <Lure> Hobbsee: hibernate is also broken for me (hp nw8240), but works nicely with 2.6.15-15
[02:27] <Hobbsee> wow really?  what are you on now?  2.6.15-18?
[02:27] <Lure> also latest install CD (since Flight4) are useless for me - hang in usplash (no install menu)
[02:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: latest (I think -19) - currently running Breezy
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[02:28] <Lure> so cannot check
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[02:28] <theine> Hi, are packages for KDE 3.5.2 already available?
[02:29] <Tm_T> why I feel I'm doing this totally wrong =)
[02:30] <Tm_T> oh well...
[02:30] <Lure> theine: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main
[02:30] <Lure> test packages, but work nicely
[02:30] <Tm_T> that's not going to ubuntu main?
[02:30] <theine> great, thanks
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's testing for the moment...
[02:31] <Tm_T> ah, and then to ubuntu repos... gotcha
[02:31] <Lure> Hobbsee: plan is that we get kpowersave 0.6 today (or by end of week for sure) and than prepare it for UVF exception
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yep, sounds good
[02:31] <Hobbsee> it'll need to redirect those links by default, if that's going to happen, no?
[02:31] <Lure> SuSE has rc1 today and we do not expect changes further on (powersave is already released version)
[02:32] <Lure> Hobbsee: this was only needed because of previous powersave package - not needed anymore in future
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ah...i see :D
[02:33] <Lure> we might only need acpi-support a bit more powersave-aware (working with laptop-team)
[02:33] <Lure> but it looks quite good already
[02:33] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[02:33] <Hobbsee> it's working way better than klaptop ever did
[02:34] <theine> Is there any chance that there will be an UVF exception for knetworkmanager?
[02:35] <Lure> theine: knm is planned to go in as quickly as we get n-m 0.6 from official depo
[02:35] <Lure> it will actually go to main (at least that is planned)
[02:38] <theine> Lure: Fantastic
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[02:54] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:58] <hendry> are those new KDE packages going to make Flight6?
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[03:26] <Riddell> hendry: which?
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[03:49] <raphink> Riddell: the live powerpc is not available in fr anymore ?
[03:53] <Riddell> raphink: it was oversized so I've removed all the lang packs for now, I'll put them back to fill capacity later
[03:54] <raphink> ah
[03:54] <raphink> ok
[03:56] <raphink> Riddell: I'm still fighting with the lisa tabs
[03:56] <raphink> in my last attempt to show an error message in them when it's not installed
[03:56] <raphink> it had just removed the tabs 
[03:56] <raphink> lol
[03:56] <raphink> so at least I had no error anymore
[03:57] <raphink> Riddell: do you know of a wifi card that works with MacOS and Ubuntu?
[03:58] <Riddell> nope, but I'm no expert in such things
[03:59] <raphink> ok
[03:59] <raphink> you run on ppc too, don't you?
[04:01] <Lure> raphink: why don't you ask kde-guidance guys - they always nicely present "fail to start" messages when python throws error on startup
[04:01] <Lure> ;-)
[04:01] <raphink> hehe
[04:02] <raphink> well this module is in cpp
[04:02] <Lure> but really, you probably expect that it should work the same - I would suspect it is C++ code that catches error from python script and present message
[04:02] <raphink> hehe ok
[04:02] <Lure> maybe we just need to look how it is done there...
[04:03] <raphink> well everything is in the C++ code for the bugs I'm trying to fix
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[04:03] <raphink> there's no python 
[04:06] <Riddell> raphink: I have a minimac, it doesn't have wireless or macos on it
[04:06] <raphink> ah ok
[04:06] <raphink> I have macos so far
[04:06] <raphink> but never booted on it
[04:06] <raphink> lol
[04:06] <raphink> I think I will just remove it soon
[04:06] <raphink> dunno why >i've put it actually
[04:06] <jjesse> i heard there are packages for kde3.5.2 available but i don't see an announcement anywhere is that ttrue?
[04:07] <mornfall> -->
[04:07] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[04:07] <raphink> jjesse: http://www.raphink.info/
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[04:07] <raphink> that is my unofficial announcement
[04:07] <jjesse> i thought i saw it on the blogs on planet?
[04:07] <raphink> huhu
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[04:08] <jjesse> raphink: did i get you in trouble :)
[04:09] <raphink> jjesse: course not :)
[04:09] <raphink> I posted on my planet willingly ;)
[04:09] <raphink> I take my responsabilities
[04:10] <raphink> ah
[04:10] <raphink> planet doesn't flood on konqui anymore :D
[04:14] <Riddell> ubuntu are going to have an april 1st background image
[04:15] <Riddell> I wonder what we could have for kubuntu
[04:15] <raphink> hmmm
[04:15] <Lathiat> a gnome foot :)
[04:16] <raphink> Lathiat: you know why the GNOME logo is only the foot of the gnome ?
[04:16] <Lathiat> raphink: no idea :)
[04:16] <raphink> because the dragon ate the rest
[04:16] <Lathiat> ahahaha
[04:17] <raphink> ;)
[04:18] <raphink> Riddell: how about a konqui with a GNOME foot stuck on his back?
[04:18] <raphink> hehe
[04:18] <Riddell> I've a feeling adding gnome stuff would create more flame wars than laughs
[04:19] <Lathiat> heh
[04:19] <raphink> ok
[04:19] <Lathiat> i like last years
[04:19] <raphink> then hmmm
[04:19] <Lathiat> ubuntu oine
[04:19] <Riddell> now if we had a picture of all the kubuntu developers swimming naked in a tropical river that would be perfect
[04:19] <Lathiat> picture of elmo+mark+.. someone else i dont know
[04:19] <Lathiat> haha
[04:19] <Riddell> (which incidenly is one of the candidates for the ubuntu picture)
[04:19] <raphink> hehe
[04:20] <Riddell> maybe we should just change the background orange
[04:20] <raphink> lol
[04:21] <raphink> keep the current background
[04:21] <Lathiat> hahahaha
[04:21] <raphink> and add Konqui painting it orange
[04:21] <Lathiat> thats class
[04:21] <sebas> Riddell: I'd be happy to go somewhere tropical, if I've only got to be taken on a photo nekkid :)
[04:21] <Lathiat> or that
[04:21] <raphink> like konqui being painting the environment orange
[04:21] <jjesse> how many people want to see a bunch of developers naked?
[04:21] <Lathiat> raphink: ooh i like that
[04:21] <raphink> Lathiat: :)
[04:21] <sebas> That way I would be able to see my own penis again ;-)
[04:22] <raphink> Lathiat: easy to do even 
[04:22] <raphink> Lathiat: just taking the current bubbles wallpaper, adding konqui to it and a bit of orange 
[04:22] <raphink> Riddell: how would you like that>?
[04:23] <Riddell> this would be a good one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg
[04:23] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, that could work
[04:23] <raphink> http://www.chelskov.org/molde/Bilder/konqui.jpg
[04:23] <Lathiat> haha
[04:23] <raphink> this one would be perfect for the task imo
[04:23] <sebas> That "Jesus Christ ..." is great :D
[04:23] <Lathiat> are the shipped kubuntu shipit cds going to have konqi on them? :)
=== sebas wonders what the rest would be.
[04:24] <Riddell> tragically no sebas in this one http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-09-01-akademy-beach-party.jpg
[04:24] <sebas> Riddell: I'm more afraid of those: http://vizzzion.org/?id=viewpic&gcat=aKademy2005-8-Beachparty&gpic=IMG_6251.JPG#images
[04:26] <raphink> lol
[04:26] <jjesse> are those work safe pictures?
[04:26] <Riddell> no :)
[04:31] <Riddell> raphink: the hugging konquis would be better
[04:31] <raphink> wait a min
[04:32] <raphink> I'll show you want I come with :)
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[04:33] <raphink> I've got something quite nice
[04:33] <raphink> for my poor graphic skills that is
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[04:39] <raphink> anyone has a link to ubuntu's orange ?
[04:40] <Riddell> Orange: 255 99 9 / FF6309
[04:40] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official
[04:41] <raphink> thanks much
[04:41] <raphink> wow tthis is red
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[04:45] <freeflying> Riddell: qt-3.3.6+kde3.5.2 , konqueror often crashes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10913
[04:47] <raphink> Riddell: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png
[04:47] <raphink> how about that?
[04:48] <raphink> I know my graphic skills are very poor ;)
[04:48] <raphink> hehe
[04:48] <raphink> but it's just the idea
[04:49] <Riddell> raphink: controvetial :)
[04:49] <raphink> hehe
[04:49] <raphink> you like it?
[04:49] <raphink> Lathiat: 
[04:49] <seaLne> hehe
[04:49] <raphink> :)
[04:50] <seaLne> does gnome have an equivalent of konqi?
[04:50] <raphink> they only have the foot seaLne
[04:50] <seaLne> or how about a spaceman painting it orange?
[04:50] <raphink> konqui hate the rest of their mascot
[04:50] <raphink> ate
[04:51] <raphink> s/hate/ate/
[04:51] <seaLne> :)
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[04:57] <raphink> http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april.png
[04:57] <raphink> konqui is a bit lower in the pic
[04:57] <raphink> :)
[04:58] <Lure> raphink: nice...
[04:58] <raphink> :)
[04:58] <raphink> you like it?
[04:58] <Lure> yes, I think it would be nice for april 1
=== Pygi goes to see
[04:59] <Pygi> raphink: perhaps you could make it paint kubuntu logo? ^_^
[05:00] <raphink> http://r.pinson.free.fr/capture.jpg
[05:00] <raphink> this is how it looks on my comp
[05:00] <raphink> Pygi: well the idea of the joke is that he's turning the kde style into the new gnome one ;)
[05:00] <raphink> for the 1st of april
[05:01] <Pygi> raphink: o joy ^_^
[05:01] <raphink> hehe
[05:03] <Riddell> Bugs meeting!
[05:03] <Riddell> Lure, seaLne..
[05:03] <Lure> Riddell: I am there...
[05:03] <raphink> bugs meeting?
[05:04] <raphink> Riddell: or are you calling lure & seaLne bugs?
[05:04] <Lathiat> raphink: thats awesome
[05:05] <Lathiat> just fix the shadow on konqi
[05:05] <raphink> :)
[05:05] <raphink> yes
[05:05] <seaLne> raphink: :P
[05:05] <Lathiat> but i figure that was a quick hack
[05:05] <Lathiat> :)
[05:05] <raphink> not sure how to fix that
[05:05] <raphink> yes 
[05:05] <Lathiat> get abetter konqi image
[05:05] <raphink> very quick hack ;)
[05:06] <Lathiat> tbh im imrpessed how good it is for a quick ahck
[05:06] <raphink> well I'm not sure where to get a better konqui image
[05:06] <Lathiat> i could spend days tryign to make somethign like that... ;p
[05:06] <Lathiat> im sure kde.org must have something?
[05:06] <raphink> not in the right position I think Lathiat
[05:07] <raphink> this position is just very convenient for a painting konqui
[05:07] <Lathiat> also i'd make it a little more orange
[05:07] <raphink> while this http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/konqi-klogo-official-400x500.png is not
[05:07] <raphink> Lathiat: this is the official ubuntu orange
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[05:07] <Lathiat> raphink: no i mean
[05:07] <Lathiat> a bigger area
[05:07] <Lathiat> not too big
[05:07] <raphink> ah ok :)
[05:07] <raphink> sure
[05:07] <Lathiat>  but a little better
[05:07] <Lathiat> anyway
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[05:07] <Lathiat> bedtime for me
[05:07] <Lathiat> ;p
[05:07] <raphink> I could also have small drops on the wall
[05:07] <raphink> ok
[05:07] <raphink> good night
[05:08] <raphink> I don't want the orange stuff too big
[05:08] <raphink> so you can still feel like "nooooooooooooo doooooooooooooon't!"
[05:08] <raphink> ;)
[05:09] <Lathiat> i dunno mayenb its nice that size
[05:13] <raphink> it should be more random
[05:15] <mornfall> humm
[05:15] <mornfall> sup
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[05:16] <raphink> I'm good mornfall you?
[05:16] <mornfall> i guess so
[05:16] <mornfall> no catastrophes
[05:17] <raphink> hehe
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[05:21] <mornfall> i guess i'm bored
[05:21] <mornfall> i should tex algorithm design assignment
[05:21] <jpatrick> hi mornfall
[05:21] <mornfall> hi jpatrick 
[05:22] <jpatrick> so what's going on?
[05:23] <mornfall> web servers. aw. :-)
[05:25] <jpatrick> I'm just gonna package kbfx today.
[05:27] <Tm_T> achtung!
[05:27] <Tm_T> kopete doesn't get jabber plugin compiled with current dapper&kde352
[05:28] <hunger> Why does everybody have kde352 and I don't:-(
[05:29] <raphink> hunger: because you chose to I guess
[05:30] <raphink> hunger: http://www.raphink.info/
[05:31] <Lure> Tm_T: I have kde352 and I have jabber (G Talk)
[05:32] <Tm_T> Lure: ofcourse you do
[05:32] <Tm_T> Lure: because you don't compile Kopete yourself
[05:32] <Lure> ok
[05:32] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:37] <Tm_T> this is strange... configure complains that it can't build jabber plugin and yet, it does build it
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[05:41] <Lure> lesson learned on meeting: we need to add kde packages here to get us atosubscribed (it is a bit outdated):
[05:41] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[05:42] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[05:42] <Riddell> Lure: I added the main packages, but there will be some I've missed
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[05:43] <Lure> seaLne: can you subcribe kubuntu-team for package in future instead of assign - this would do it
[05:43] <Lure> (since you go through every kubuntu bug ;-))
[05:44] <seaLne> i think they should be assigned aswell
[05:44] <Riddell> existing bugs for products don't get subscribed retrospecively, which is something seaLne has been tidying up
[05:45] <Lure> seaLne: that is ok, I am just sugesting that if you see kde package, it should get subscribed to kubuntu-team
[05:45] <seaLne> assigned means stuff goes to kubuntu-bugs list, wouldn't subscribe do the same but not look as good?
[05:45] <seaLne> ah right
[05:46] <Lure> we will reduce your work for future (not really, you will just have more time for other stuff ;-)
[05:46] <seaLne> so how do you subscribe packages?
[05:46] <raphink> pfiew
[05:47] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+subscribe
[05:47] <Lure> you can subscribe yourself or any list you are member of
[05:48] <raphink> http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april3.png
[05:48] <raphink> :)
[05:48] <raphink> removed the shadow on konqui, adding blur everywhere around
[05:48] <raphink> on edges
[05:48] <raphink> :)
[05:49] <raphink> and drops
[05:49] <Riddell> raphink: can the orange be slightly transparent?
[05:50] <raphink> sure it can Riddell :)
[05:50] <raphink> I'll try at least
[05:53] <seaLne> Lure: i'm unsure how you get to a url like that without typing it for a package
[05:53] <Lure> I just type in... ;-)
[05:53] <Lure> just append +subscribe on package - package is anyway on top of the page
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[05:54] <seaLne> bah, i want the last 5 minutes of my life back hunting for how to do that :P
[05:54] <Lure> seaLne: seen that:
[05:54] <Lure> <seb128> and you take the assignment only when you start working on something
[05:54] <Lure> maybe we are abusing this assignement too much...
[05:54] <mbiebl> Lure: hi. 
[05:54] <Lure> mbiebl: hi
[05:54] <mbiebl> I'm integrating powersave into the logout dialog atm. 
[05:54] <mbiebl> http://www.teco.edu/~biebl/logout.png
[05:54] <seaLne> Lure: maybe it would help if their was a definition of wtf the different terms in malone ment
[05:55] <Lure> mbiebl: nice! - where do we get this?
[05:55] <Lure> Riddell: check mbiebl's link
[05:55] <mbiebl> I requires a patch to ksmserver.
[05:55] <Lure> seaLne: exactly...
[05:56] <Lure> mbiebl: already in your SVN?
[05:56] <mbiebl> I will upload it to my repo tonight.
[05:56] <Riddell> mbiebl: looks nice
[05:56] <mbiebl> It's mostly taken from SuSE btw. So all creadit to them ;-)
[05:56] <seaLne> assign to me means "we know about this and have started thinking about it"
[05:56] <Riddell> Suspend to RAM should be Suspend to Memory
[05:57] <mbiebl> Riddell: we could change that. But it's used in kpowersave too. So we would have to change it there also.
[05:57] <sebas> mbiebl: Nice!
[05:57] <Lure> seaLne: and this may be overstatement... ;-)
[05:58] <mbiebl> I will see, if I can also integrate it into kdm.
[05:58] <Lure> Riddell: if we are changing this, we should just rename to Suspend and Hibernate - people are used to it
[05:58] <seaLne> Lure: the main reason was to get it to appear on kubuntu-team's assigned bugs
[05:59] <Lure> seaLne: I know, I am just thinking how is this meant to work (as no doc exists)
[05:59] <mbiebl> Lure: I'm used to suspent do disk and suspend to ram, because that's what the linux kernel calls it.
[05:59] <mbiebl> hibernate is a windows thingy I think.
[06:00] <raphink> Riddell: actually where excatly would you like transparency?
[06:00] <Lure> mbiebl: probably - I was (primarily) WinXP user until I found Hoary ;-)
[06:00] <Lure> but it would be also consistent with Ubuntu
[06:00] <seaLne> raphink: so it looks like a first coat of paint?
[06:01] <sebas> It's often referred to as hibernate (suspend to disk, S4) and standby (suspend to ram, S3).
[06:01] <sebas> But in fact real standby is just cpu switched off (C1, I think)
[06:01] <mbiebl> I find suspend to disk and suspend to ram much clearer.
[06:01] <Riddell> raphink: on the orange paint (just an idea, it may not work)
[06:01] <mbiebl> Because standby doesn't tell me what acutally happens.
[06:01] <sebas> The standby metapher is quite OK, I think. Most devices in standby do need some power, which is true for S3.
[06:02] <raphink> it's not easy Riddell
[06:02] <OculusAquilae> Isn't there a problem with translations if you would change it
[06:02] <raphink> the original colour shape I can make transparent
[06:02] <raphink> but then what I put around (blur and all) is harder
[06:02] <raphink> I'll try though
[06:02] <sebas> mbiebl: The main difference (wakeup time, and draining battery) aren't clear for the ignorant user...
[06:03] <sebas> I'd also go for hibernate  / suspend to memory, btw. RAM is too technical and just doesn't look nice in that dialogue. It should be changed in kpowersave aswell, probably, to keep it consistent.
[06:04] <mbiebl> Problem is, that this would change the translation strings for kpowersave...
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> right, SuSE does very good translations
[06:05] <mbiebl> Yes, kpowersave has a lot of translations.
[06:05] <OculusAquilae> we don't have such a translation process atm
[06:06] <mbiebl> We would have to revise them to. The handbook and screenshots in there too, probably.
[06:07] <Lure> it probably only make sense if maintainers decide to change it - otherwise is too much work to keep up to date
[06:07] <mbiebl> I will take this suggestion to the powersave mailing list.
[06:08] <sebas> mbiebl: Hm, yeah.
[06:08] <mbiebl> But as they are also preparing their release for opensuse 10.1 they also have a string freeze.
[06:08] <raphink> Riddell: can't do it :(
[06:08] <raphink> I don't succeed
[06:11] <mornfall> kde uses CET (or maybe CEST) now as a coordination time IIRC
[06:12] <mornfall> hmm
[06:12] <mornfall> wrong chan again
[06:13] <mbiebl> Btw, the logout options are determined dynamically, so if the machine only supports suspend to disk, only this option is offered.
[06:14] <sebas> How do you check?
[06:14] <mornfall> hmm?
[06:14] <mbiebl> It contacts the powersave daemon via dbus.
[06:15] <mornfall> mbiebl: i have never noticed anything like that -- is that kubuntu specific patch?
[06:15] <mornfall> oh
[06:15] <mornfall> opensuse?
[06:15] <sebas> mbiebl: Ah, thx.
[06:15] <mbiebl> mornfall: yes 
[06:15] <sebas> Will that patch go into the 3.5.2 packages, btw?
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[06:16] <Lure> sebas: it does not make sense unless we include kpowersave in main (to replace klaptop)
[06:16] <mbiebl> Lure: right.
[06:16] <sebas> Ow, yeah, it's not yet. 
[06:16] <mornfall> well, dapper+1?
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[06:16] <sebas> Bye
[06:16] <Lure> I am all for it, but there are problems with ppc and still need some polish
[06:16] <mbiebl> I still hope we can make it into dapper.
[06:17] <mornfall> isn't it a bit late?
[06:17] <sebas> klaptop being that bad makes it easier to not run into regressions.
[06:17] <mornfall> (k)powersave is fine when you know what you are doing
[06:17] <Lure> mbiebl: when we get it in universe and get some testers, everybody will want it there..;-)
[06:17] <Lure> in main
[06:18] <mornfall> for dapper+1 i am all for it
[06:18] <mbiebl> Problem is, if we want tight integration (as i logout dialog)  it has to go into main.
[06:18] <mornfall> mbiebl: why? you can't depend on the fact it's running anyway
[06:18] <Lure> mornfall: I think this will be probable outcome (dapper only in universe)
[06:18] <mornfall> mbiebl: it can be done optional
[06:18] <mbiebl> If they can squeeze NM 0.6 in, it should be no problem to get (k)powersave in properly.
[06:19] <Lure> mbiebl: yes and no - NM 0.5 was already in, powersave only had one old upload in universe
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[06:20] <mornfall> no train's leaving with dapper
[06:20] <Lure> but I think if we buy enough beer for Riddell it is not completely impossible ;-)
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[06:21] <raphink> Riddell: how is that ?
[06:21] <mornfall> i should do the fc4 update of dovecot :|
[06:21] <raphink> http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april4.png
[06:21] <mbiebl> Well, (k)powersave got a hell of testing because it will also be release wie SLED.
[06:22] <mornfall> sled?
[06:22] <raphink> Riddell: looks more like a work in progress?
[06:22] <mbiebl> SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop.
[06:22] <raphink> :)
[06:22] <mbiebl> They release about the same time as dapper.
[06:22] <raphink> oh nice
[06:24] <jjesse> note to self, don't try and upgrade to kde3.5.2 while installing a vitural machine
[06:27] <mbiebl> Riddell: I promised to give you an overview on (k)powersave. Haven't done it yet because I wanted to integrate some features first and waited for the final stable release 0.6 of kpowersave which is due this week.
[06:27] <mbiebl> Do you have a laptop to give (k)powersave a try and tell me what you think?
[06:28] <Riddell> mbiebl: I do yes (although not immediately)
[06:29] <mbiebl> Ok, then I'll send you instructions as soon as the final kpowersave is released. Stay tuned. 
[06:29] <mbiebl> Have to go now. CU.
[06:29] <raphink> http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg
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[06:32] <jjesse> hmm just updated to kde 3.5.2 and noticed that some of the windows i had open in another desktop were closed (3 openoffice.org write windows in one desktop, and vmplayer in another)
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[06:50] <seaLne> raphink: that last version looks good more sense of him painting
[06:50] <raphink> yes
[06:50] <raphink> it's more "real"
[06:50] <raphink> well it's just for one day anyway
[06:50] <raphink> :)
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[06:51] <raphink> wb Lure
[06:52] <Lure> raphink: hi
[06:52] <raphink> :)
[06:52] <raphink> Lure: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg is that better?
[06:52] <Lure> great ;-)
[06:52] <raphink> :)
[06:53] <Lure> will this be default for Flight6 (Wed)?
[06:53] <raphink> lol
[06:53] <raphink> that would be fun
[06:53] <raphink> Riddell: ?
[06:53] <Lure> or just April 1
[06:53] <Tm_T> raphink: =) =)
[06:54] <Tm_T> I wonder...
[06:54] <raphink> hehe
[06:55] <cmvo> Lure: Hi! I'm experimenting with kde 3.5.2 on dapper and see a slowdown when switching to a desktop for the first time. Do you see the slowdowns on other occations?
[06:55] <Lure> cmvo: I have seen it only with crystal
[06:55] <raphink> same here
[06:55] <Lure> I am on Plastik now and it works fast
[06:56] <Riddell> raphink: nice
[06:56] <raphink> it's crystal that slows it down
[06:56] <raphink> Riddell: there's a bit of transparency... did my best on it
[06:57] <Lure> cmvo: only the first switch - I have documented it in crystal bug
[06:57] <cmvo> Lure: Yup, only with Crystal. Also in system settings the preview of Crystal is slow to appear. It seems to be some kind of init problem.
[06:58] <Lure> cmvo: I think transparency code does something before it is painted for the first time (store background?)
[07:01] <Lure> mornfall: ping
[07:01] <mornfall> Lure: pong
[07:01] <Lure> add/remove programs is really nice
[07:01] <Lure> I have one minor observation
[07:01] <cmvo> Lure: Do you have the bug #? I'm fighting lauchpad at the moment...
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[07:01] <mornfall> Lure: yes?
[07:02] <Lure> why do programs without description take more space (row) than others
[07:02] <mornfall> hmm, do they?
[07:02] <Lure> examples in System: Wallet, Menu Editor, Menu Updating Tool...
[07:02] <mornfall> let me see
[07:02] <Lure> will do screenshot
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[07:04] <cmvo> Lure: Never mind, I got it.
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[07:06] <mornfall> they seem to take same space as with description here
[07:06] <Lure> http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3331/addremove6de.png
[07:06] <Lure> I am slow (got distracted... ;-))
[07:07] <mornfall> imageshack is too (slow)
[07:07] <mornfall> 10K/s
[07:07] <marseillai> Riddell: i think there's a problem with krfb in kubuntu! i've found anywhere a connection log. it seems you don't redirect output log to any file as it's tell there : http://ait.web.psi.ch/services/linux/kde-desktop-sharing.htm?forprint (/usr/local/kde/bin/krfb > /tmp/krfb.log 2>&1 & for example)
[07:07] <mornfall> stall
[07:07] <mornfall> Lure: indeed
[07:07] <mornfall> interesting
[07:08] <mornfall> i'd say it's a bug :] 
[07:08] <Lure> noticed that they are also not equal size...
[07:08] <Lure> I am not concerned, just funny
[07:09] <mornfall> must be some qlayout screwup
[07:09] <mornfall> qlayout is driving me nuts most of the time
[07:09] <Lure> mornfall: unsupported means universe?
[07:10] <mornfall> Lure: yes
[07:10] <mornfall> IIRC :)
[07:10] <seaLne> what about multiverse?
[07:10] <Lure> proprietary software
[07:10] <mornfall> unsupported+proprietary
[07:10] <Lure> mornfall: unsupported is a bit harsh to MOTUs - sometimes they do better job than main ;-)
[07:11] <mornfall> Lure: it is officially unsupported is it not?
[07:11] <mornfall> big fat warning in sources.list
[07:11] <mornfall> all that
[07:11] <mornfall> there's also this space constraint
[07:11] <mornfall> "not completely supported but people are trying but beware" is a bit long for a checkbox
[07:11] <seaLne> heh
[07:11] <Lure> true...
[07:11] <Riddell> marseillai: there's no kubuntu specific changes to krfb
[07:12] <marseillai> oki! sorry! so i'll tell this somewhere else!
[07:13] <Riddell> mornfall: are you planning to add commercial software support to adept_installer?
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[07:14] <mornfall> Riddell: i have no idea how -- it probably could be done, but i guess that currently means reading gnome-app-install source
[07:14] <mornfall>  [19:14:05]      metalhedd | #kubuntu     % I lost the icon for adept_notifier in dapper.  its not even listed in my KMenu anymore, but i can run it from the terminal (but I get no tray icon)
[07:14] <mornfall> riiiight
[07:14] <Tm_T> ok, I'm uploading Kopete 0.12 beta2 package and stuff to my server
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[07:15] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[07:15] <hunger> Tm_T: What are the chances of that making it into dapper?
[07:16] <Tonio_> hello lure and all
[07:16] <Tonio_> Lure: you are motu no ?
[07:16] <Tm_T> hunger: that's what Im trying to do here ;)
[07:16] <Lure> no - I just did my first pbuilder thing yesterday
[07:16] <Lure> ;-)
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[07:16] <Tm_T> hm, installs fine in my system, let's see how it runs
[07:16] <hunger> Tm_T: Just curious:-)
[07:16] <Riddell> mornfall: add source line, show licence file, install
[07:16] <Tonio_> damn......
[07:16] <Riddell> mornfall: although I can't find an example just now
[07:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested ko-beagle ? works like a charm :)
[07:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:17] <Tm_T> works
[07:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: not yet no
[07:17] <Lure> Tonio_: but Riddell accepted me in KubuntuTeam (and is pushing me to bugs) ;-)
[07:17] <Lure> Tonio_: you mean kerry?
[07:17] <mornfall> also, let's note that i won't have time until after 30th
[07:17] <hunger> Where can I sneak a peek at all the wonders you guys are working on?
[07:17] <Tonio_> Lure: and Riddell's right ;) you do great job for bug fixing ;)
[07:18] <Tonio_> Lure: no I mean the kio-beagle :)
[07:18] <Tm_T> hunger: hood question =)
[07:18] <Tm_T> good even
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[07:18] <Tonio_> Lure: I packaged it toonight, it is on revu, and you can find it on my repo
[07:18] <Lure> Tonio_: will try now
[07:18] <mornfall> which means 5 days to freeze the interface
[07:18] <mornfall> oh, actually no
[07:18] <mornfall> that's only documentation
[07:18] <Lure> hunger: kubuntu.no-ip.org repository
[07:19] <Lure> hunger: but kde352 and qt 3.3.6 first ;-)
[07:19] <mornfall> Riddell: how important is it?
[07:19] <mornfall> it's still a serious feature freeze breach... even though it seems feature freeze doesn't mean much here anyway
[07:19] <hunger> Lure: Aehm... google does not know that one.
[07:20] <mornfall> it's still me who'll handle the bugs
[07:20] <Riddell> mornfall: depends if canonical can persuade anyone to supply .debs to them
[07:20] <Lure> hunger: do you have laptop? we are looking for kpowersave testers (see KubuntuPowersave wiki)
[07:20] <Riddell> mornfall: Mark Shuttleworth was fairly keen to have it, but it's certainly not vital
[07:20] <hunger> Lure: I am using kpowersave for a while now.
[07:20] <Lure> hunger: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main
[07:20] <hunger> Lure: Works like a charm!
[07:20] <Lure> hunger: deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[07:20] <hunger> Lure: WAY better than klaptopwhatever.
[07:20] <mornfall> Lure: kpowersave works (it's a bit rough at times, but works :)
[07:21] <Lure> hunger: did you upgrade yesterday (and follow instructions on wiki!)
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[07:21] <hunger> Lure: I am updating now.
[07:22] <Lure> hunger: do not forget to do the fineprint steps (to remove divert for acpid)
[07:22] <mornfall> Lure: yes, that was a nasty surprize
[07:22] <mornfall> Lure: why can't it be done by maintainerscripts, anyway?
[07:23] <Lure> I did not want to complicate packages and since that version (with divert) was not widely used...
[07:24] <mornfall> lame :P
[07:24] <mornfall> Lure: you maintain kpowersave in debian too?
[07:25] <Lure> no, mbiebl does 
[07:25] <mornfall> ah
[07:25] <mornfall> the divert thing broke in debian too
[07:25] <Lure> he is doing great job, not leaving much work for us ;-)
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[07:25] <Lure> mornfall: is debian also using divert? I though mbiebl did that only for ubuntu
[07:26] <mornfall> Lure: hmm! so maybe your package broke my system
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[07:26] <mornfall> :] 
[07:26] <Lure> mornfall: it was mbiebl's package that Tonio_ uploaded to his repo
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[07:26] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:26] <mornfall> whoever
[07:26] <mornfall> it's all their fault
[07:27] <mornfall> it took me minutes to figure
[07:27] <hunger> If this is meant to be tested, why is it not in dapper yet?
[07:27] <hunger> dapper is a development version after all. all the update junkies should know how to fix their system if it breaks.
[07:27] <Lure> hunger: waiting for 0.6 kpowersave release (maybe today) and some early adopters feedback
[07:27] <cmvo> Riddell: I installed koffice-15rc1 on dapper and kde 3.5.2. Nothing major to report. KWord doesn't like documents created with kword 1.2.1 and mixes up the z-order of frames.
[07:27] <Lure> then I hope we can get UVF exception
[07:28] <kmon> Lure: When will knetworkmanager will enter dapper?
[07:28] <Lure> Tonio_: installed kio-beagle, but beagle:/ redirects me to locate:beagle:/
[07:28] <Lure> kmon: soon - they just resolved n-m build issue that prevented us to build it with VPN
[07:28] <hunger> Is there a way to get a list of "protocols" supported by konqui (aka. a list of ioslaves).
[07:29] <Lure> kmon: there might be a source update today (as SuSE has RC1) that we might include
[07:29] <kmon> Lure: sounds great
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: you need to restart kde
[07:29] <Tonio_> don't ask me why, but it doesn't work "out of the box"
[07:29] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, will do, but not yet... ;-)
[07:29] <Riddell> cmvo: dapper, i386?
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: once done, woks like a charm
[07:30] <cmvo> Riddell: Yup
[07:30] <Riddell> cmvo: great, thanks.  you should report the kword problems to bugs.kde.org
[07:30] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/625341
[07:31] <Tm_T> hmm, lintian gave nice bunch of errors and warnings
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[07:34] <kmon> I'm also testing kde 3.5.2, everything seems to be ok
[07:35] <Riddell> kmon: dapper, i386?
[07:35] <kmon> Riddell: amd64
[07:35] <kmon> dapper
[07:35] <Riddell> ooh, even better :)
[07:35] <Lure> Tonio_: kio-beagle - nice...
[07:35] <kmon> Riddell:  on 2 different machines, a laptop and a desktop pc
[07:36] <Tonio_> Lure: works nicelly no ?
[07:36] <Tonio_> of course it cannot compete with kerry
[07:36] <Tonio_> that's a kio, not an app
[07:37] <Tonio_> but I find it nice :)
[07:37] <Lure> Tonio_: it is great for file management
[07:37] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[07:37] <Lure> Tonio_: and photo management (need to check if beagle support EXIF/IPTC)
[07:37] <Tonio_> Lure: absolutly
[07:38] <Tonio_> well, it is very nice to me
[07:38] <Tonio_> we should have that "at least" in universe :)
[07:38] <hunger> Why does xmms get installed on upgrade to kde352? Seems like one of the kicker applets drags that in.
[07:38] <Tonio_> that's why I need reviewers :)
[07:38] <Tonio_> xmms ???????
[07:38] <Tonio_> isn't that in multiverse ?
[07:39] <cmvo> Riddell: In kde kicker behaved wierd twice: no longer centered but moved to the left, not unhinding any longer. I had to change the config to get the desired behaviour back. Hasn't happened again since I changed away from crytal, but I don't know if it is related.
[07:39] <hunger> Tonio_: Yeap, including libgtk1.2:-(
[07:39] <Riddell> cmvo: I think kicker has had some changes in kde 3.5.2
[07:39] <Tonio_> hunger: what ? kio-beagle ?
[07:39] <Tonio_> hunger if yes, ask for canonical to split their packages :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> it is not my fault is the beagle daemon requires libgtk ;)
[07:40] <hunger> Tonio_: Nope, kicker-applets from kde352 drags that in.
[07:40] <kmon> hunger: do you have superkaramba installed?
[07:40] <Tonio_> hunger: hu ? wow.....
[07:40] <Riddell> hmm, I'm sure I removed xmms necessity
[07:41] <hunger> kmon: Nope.
[07:41] <kmon> because superkaramba depends on xmms.... :(
[07:41] <hunger> kmon: I never see my desktop, so I will not waste resources on desktop applets.
[07:41] <kmon> hunger: ok
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have 3.5.2 and no xmms installed :)
[07:41] <Lure> Riddell: kicker-applets is in rdepends of xmms
[07:41] <hunger> So where is kerry?
[07:42] <hunger> Tonio_: Just installed kio-beagle:-)
[07:42] <cmvo> Lure: I had random lockups with a radeon card too. They disappeared after disabling dri or removing the radeonfb kernel module.
[07:42] <hunger> Tonio_: I'd better restart X for things to take effect though;-)
[07:42] <Tonio_> hunger: kio-beagle comes with a bunch of gtk deps :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> sorry again :)
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[07:43] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes, but that is to be expected.
[07:43] <Lure> cmvo: I have it only on stop/start of X server (logout, new session) - not that bad, but noticable
[07:43] <Tonio_> hunger: could be avoid....... but beagle package isn't splitted......
[07:43] <hunger> Tonio_: beagle is the name of the hellhound of the gnome.
[07:43] <Tonio_> hunger: for just the daemon, libgtk shouldn't be required
[07:43] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok, I'll try if I can reproduce.
[07:44] <hunger> BRB... restarting X to get all the latest goodies.
[07:44] <Tonio_> hunger: okay
[07:44] <Lure> Tonio_: should we put also kerry to your repo
[07:44] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[07:45] <Lure> or are we waiting for jpatrick to fix comments in revu?
[07:45] <Tonio_> if you want it to be tested
[07:45] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't it already uploaded ?
[07:45] <Tonio_> if yes, maybe better to wait a bit no ?
[07:45] <Tonio_> Lure: he did and uploaded
[07:45] <Tonio_> but both Riddell and I advocated on irc, but not on revu ;)
[07:45] <Tonio_> which isn't nice at all :)
[07:46] <Lure> Tonio_: not seen on your main page... Is this not updated?
[07:46] <Tonio_> Lure: I think it is uploaded to ubuntu directly
[07:46] <hunger> All looks well in kde 3.5.2 land (so far).
[07:46] <Tonio_> waiting in the NEW queue for elmo or kamion
[07:46] <Tonio_> hunger: yes, kde 3.5.2 works very nicelly
[07:47] <Lure> Tonio_: any plans with system:/
[07:47] <Tonio_> Lure: not at the moment..........
[07:47] <Tonio_> nobody seems to be able to correct my crappy patch
[07:47] <Tonio_> we have two solutions actually
[07:47] <Tonio_> make my patch better or remove the system thing from the konqueror's sidebar
[07:48] <Lure> Tonio_: I would look into, but I am scared it will take too much of my time to understand that code (and I need time for powersave polish)
[07:48] <Tonio_> I am not able to do better than what I already did
[07:48] <hunger> Now that I installed kio-beagle: How do I test that (how do I configure beagle in the first place?)
[07:48] <Tonio_> it is over my skills
[07:48] <cmvo> Lure: I get lockups on X server shutdown with fglrx 8.23.5, but not the ati/radeon driver. I use a R300 card.
[07:48] <Tonio_> Lure: that isn't an emergency anyway :)
[07:48] <Lure> hunger: just install beagle package and it will index your home by default
[07:48] <Tonio_> just as long as we have that in mind for the release
[07:49] <hunger> Lure: I do not want my home indexed!
[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: you need to launch beagle manually the first time, or reboot
[07:49] <Lure> cmvo: I get X shutdown lockups with fglrx (100%) and ati (20% probability)
[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: and even, I don't think beagle autostarts.........
[07:49] <Tonio_> that's strange
[07:50] <Tonio_> is it in a cron ?
[07:50] <Lure> Tonio_: probably - I started it through kerry the first time
[07:50] <Tonio_> I though it was an init.d daemon, but that's not
[07:50] <Lure> Tonio_: it autostarts on my system
[07:50] <Lure> not sure where 
[07:50] <Tonio_> Lure: hum.........
[07:50] <kmon> Lure: what gfx card do you have? x700?
[07:50] <Lure> maybe kerry kick-it-off
[07:50] <hunger> Where does beagle store its index?
[07:51] <Lure> kmon: ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express
[07:51] <Lure> Tonio_: kerry is running in sys tray
[07:51] <kmon> I have an x700 and suffer the same weird X error's
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: nice ;)
[07:51] <hunger> So where can I get kerry?
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: anyway, I don't understand the way beagle starts.....
[07:51] <Tonio_> because the kio requires beagled to run
[07:51] <Lure> hunger: ~/.beagle?
[07:52] <hunger> kmon: I actually suspect a kernel problem.
[07:52] <Tonio_> and on my computer at least, it doesn't autostart
[07:52] <Lure> hunger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2198
[07:52] <hunger> Lure: Oh, good. I was afraid it would write it someplace that is not encrypted.
[07:52] <kmon> wouldn't it be better for kat 0.7?
[07:52] <hunger> Lure: Nah, no debs there:-)
[07:52] <Lure> just source - I can build one and upload to Tonio_s
[07:52] <Lure> ;-)
[07:53] <kmon> wouldn't it be better to wait for kat 0.7?
[07:53] <hunger> kmon: IMHO yes... but since the crowd is all headed for beagle I'll just follow.
[07:53] <Lure> I would preffer kat, but beagle is here now and it seems to work
[07:53] <Tonio_> Lure: apart from the ausostart feature :)
[07:54] <Tonio_> let me reboot and test ;)
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[07:54] <hunger> Wow, beagle renews my faith in gnome software: Endless list of stack-traces scolling by.
[07:55] <Lure> hunger: check ps -ef | grep exe ;-)
[07:55] <hunger> Lure: I do not mind names... but stack traces usually are a sign of something being seriously messed up.
[07:57] <hunger> the kcontrol replacement is got really nice in dapper by the way. Kudos to whoever fixed it up.
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[07:58] <hunger> You know what I really find strange?
[07:59] <hunger> That arts takes more cpu time when not doing anything than beagle when it indexes stuff.
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: beagled doesn't autostart, would you suggest adding an autostart feature to the kio-beagle package ?
[08:03] <hunger> kio-beagle seems to work... it does not find anything, but I guess that is due to the index still being generated.
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not very, very  nice, but actually, the kio isn't really usable......
[08:03] <Tonio_> cause you have to launch beagle everytime you boot
[08:03] <Tonio_> hunger: does beagle autostart for you ?
[08:04] <Tonio_> hunger: I have to launch it manually everytime I boot.......
[08:04] <Tonio_> beagled
[08:04] <hunger> Tonio_: Dunno... I started beagled manually.
[08:04] <Tonio_> hunger: that's my problem :)
[08:04] <hunger> Tonio_: Dropping a file into /usr/share/autostart should fix that.
[08:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does gnome start it?
[08:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm asking :)
[08:05] <hunger> Riddell: Gnome drops a file into /etc/xdg/autostart.
[08:05] <Tonio_> hunger: then we should do the ame
[08:05] <Tonio_> same
[08:05] <Riddell> yep
[08:05] <hunger> Riddell: Why is the autostart folder in /usr by the way?
[08:05] <Tonio_> kerry autostart it probably
[08:06] <Lure> Tonio_: I think so...
[08:06] <hunger> Riddell: That is not OK with the FHS, is it?
[08:06] <Riddell> hunger: because that's where it's always been, the standard is still being worked on but was started after 3.5
[08:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm adding a script in /usr/share/autostart
[08:06] <Tonio_> or maybe a .desktop file is better.......
[08:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: script?  .desktop is the way
[08:06] <hunger> Tonio_: Just copy the desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart.
[08:06] <Riddell> yeah
[08:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, yes, I was confused, sorry :)
[08:07] <Tonio_> hunger: yep, I'm adding that to the kio-beagle package
[08:07] <hunger> Tonio_: ... making sure it is OnlyShowIn KDE (or however that is written.
[08:07] <hunger> Tonio_: Hmmm... won't that conflict with kerry then?
[08:07] <Tonio_> hunger: you mean ?
[08:07] <Tonio_> hunger: I assume kerry starts beagled if not already started :)
[08:08] <hunger> Tonio_: If both Gnome and kde end up in the same dir again... then we want to avoid confusion, don't we?
[08:08] <Tonio_> hunger: hum........
[08:09] <hunger> Tonio_: Leave it out and I will file a bugreport about it;-)
[08:09] <Tonio_> well.... what will happen if you use gnome and have autostart in both /usr/share/autostart and /usr/xdg/autostart
[08:09] <Tonio_> I assume nothing
[08:09] <Tonio_> beagled cannot be run twice
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[08:10] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, we should try to be clean... even if our little brothers do not always play fair;-)
[08:11] <Tonio_> hunger: then what would you suggest ?
[08:11] <hunger> Tonio_: Adding a OnlyShowIn KDE into our file.
[08:11] <Tonio_> hunger: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;)
[08:12] <Tonio_> didn't knew that .desktop option :)
[08:12] <hunger> Tonio_: Then Gnome ignores it... they will have OnlyShowIn Gnome in theirs I think, so they play fine with kde (or they should have;-)
[08:12] <Lure> hunger: kerry is already in kubuntu.no-ip.org repository - enjoy
[08:12] <Tonio_> OnlyShowIn=GNOME;
[08:12] <Tonio_> hunger: confirmed
[08:13] <Tonio_> hunger: shouldn't they remove that ?
[08:13] <Tonio_> it is a daemon
[08:13] <hunger> Tonio_: Actually that should be in all desktop files installed by kde in /usr/share/autostart
[08:13] <Tonio_> no reason it doesn't start or kde too no ?
[08:13] <hunger> Tonio_: Won't do no good.
[08:14] <hunger> Tonio_: KDE does not look in /etc/xdg/autostart last time I checked.
[08:14] <Tonio_> hunger: okay
[08:14] <Tonio_> but for the future, I think beagled should autostart for "gnome only"
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[08:16] <hunger> Searching for several search terms does not work, does it?
[08:20] <hunger> is there a way to see what beagle has indexed? Which file formats it handles, etc.?
[08:22] <hunger> And exspecially whether beagle is done indexing all the stuff.
[08:23] <Lure> hunger: just separate with spaces for multi search
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[08:23] <hunger> Lure: Yeap, I think it is just that beagle did not get round to index much.
[08:24] <Tonio_> hunger: thanks for the ShowOnly option :)that will also help in the knetworkmanager package :)
[08:25] <hunger> Tonio_: I filed *LOTS* of bugs about that missing before.
[08:25] <Tonio_> hunger: well, I never saw that in any documentation
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[08:27] <Tonio_> hunger: ? strange.....
[08:27] <Tonio_> works for me
[08:27] <Tonio_> maybe its beagle support is incomplete........
[08:27] <Tonio_> any example of typicall search that fail ?
[08:27] <hunger> Tonio_: I enter daap kde into kerry and get two links.
[08:28] <hunger> Tonio_: Entering beagle:daap kde into konq gives an empty result set.
[08:28] <Tonio_> maybe it doesn't support multiwords search
[08:28] <hunger> Tonio_: kio-beagle does not find daap even on its own.
[08:29] <hunger> Tonio_: Thinking about it: kerry finds links to webpages... maybe kio-beagle can not display those.
[08:30] <Tonio_> hunger: that's possible
[08:30] <Tonio_> a kio is generally only able to display files and folders :)
[08:30] <Tonio_> okay, new kio-beagle should be on my repo and revu in 5 minutes
[08:30] <Tonio_> with the autostart feature
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[08:36] <Riddell> mornfall: how does adept_installer decide if something is KDE or Gnome?
[08:39] <hunger> AUTSCH!
[08:39] <seaLne> check if it has a g or a k in its name? :)
[08:39] <Lure> Tonio_: I am thinking on anouncing test repo for powersave on forums (want more feedback)
[08:40] <Tonio_> Lure: do it :)
[08:40] <marseillai> Tonio_: ! ;) j'y suis dja
[08:40] <hunger> I've been wondering why OOo is behaving so strangly for the last couple of days...
[08:40] <Tonio_> I have enough bandwidth
[08:40] <Tonio_> marseillai: arf ;)
[08:40] <hunger> ... and just noticed that It did not: I have been using kword all the time.
[08:42] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm dreaming of the day we will be able to remove OOo and put koffice by default in kubuntu :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> OOo isn't well integrated even with the qt bindings
[08:42] <Tonio_> and it's UI ressembles too much to a microsoft application :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> realy, it is like a mirror of msoffice actually.........
[08:43] <Tonio_> nothing original
[08:43] <Tonio_> a pure clone......
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[08:45] <Tonio_> Lure: any info concerning wpasupplicant in main ?
[08:46] <Tonio_> cause Ican't do anything with knm actually because of that.......
[08:46] <Lure> Kamion approved Siretart today to upload new package (since Keybuk is on vacation)
[08:46] <Tonio_> Lure: great
[08:46] <Tonio_> so everything should be fine in one or two days ?
[08:46] <Lure> Siretart asked pitti to promove wpasupplicant to main, but I did not see response (my machine hung)
[08:47] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, good news :)
[08:47] <Tonio_> so we have to focus on the new tarball for knm, and making kmplayer approved and uploaded
[08:48] <Tonio_> then eventually ask for main inclusion since Riddell is interested in kmplayer by default in dapper on the konqueror part
[08:48] <Riddell> what's the status of kmplayer?
[08:48] <Lure> Tonio_: was knm package already REVued?
[08:48] <seaLne> can anyone with koffice 1.5 try opening an html file in kword? it hung for me
[08:48] <Tonio_> Lure: well, impossible to revu it since it ftbfs ;)
[08:49] <Riddell> seaLne: works for me in kword 1.5 rc 1
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: any reason cdrdao isn't in main ?
[08:50] <Tonio_> because k3b is almost unsuable without it......
[08:50] <Tonio_> shouldn't we provide cdrdao with k3b ?
[08:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: it is in main
[08:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't k3b depend on cdrdao then ?
[08:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: it recommends it
[08:51] <Riddell> and cdrdao is on the CD
[08:51] <Riddell> hello fxdarkplayer 
[08:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but as everyone installs it......
[08:51] <Tonio_> I just wonder why not simply making a dep on it
[08:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: because you can use k3b without it, everyone did in breezy
[08:52] <fxdarkplayer> hello everybody 
[08:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[08:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in revuing kmplayer ?
[08:59] <Tonio_> raphink is unavailable, so ^^
[08:59] <robotgeek> Tonio_: did you have the kde beagle build for ppc also?
[09:00] <Tonio_> robotgeek: nope, I can't test
[09:00] <Tonio_> robotgeek: can you ?
[09:00] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i can, but do i need to build 50 packages? :)
[09:01] <Lure> hunger: can you (and others) report your system in this table: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[09:01] <Tonio_> robotgeek: nope, all dependancies are available for ppc
[09:02] <Tonio_> just pbuild the sources from my repo, and that should do the job :)
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[09:02] <Lure> robotgeek: beagle should be in offical repo, you just need kerry/kio-beagle build
[09:02] <robotgeek> Tonio_: cool, where is your repo again?
[09:03] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[09:03] <robotgeek> Tonio_: good catch for no-ip
[09:04] <Tonio_> robotgeek: hehe, I was surprised it wasn't already used :)
[09:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: I see a file kmplayer-app.install but no kmplayer-app in debian/control
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[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, true I need to correct this
[09:05] <Tonio_> it is correct on my repo, but Ididn't update revu....... sorry
[09:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: gimme a minute
[09:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: why does it need to be split into different packages?
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: tobe able to install just the embedded player without installing the standard one
[09:07] <Tonio_> and that's the way upstream provided his debian package also
[09:07] <Tonio_> even though it was horrible
[09:07] <Riddell> we can't build-dep on libgstreamer0.8-dev
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, let me update the revu package with my latest one :)
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: you don't have latest version actually :) I missed the revu update
[09:12] <mornfall> Riddell: the suite tag IIRC
[09:15] <mornfall> Riddell: right, suite::{kde,gnome}
[09:18] <mornfall> either way, i'll go get some sleep now
[09:18] <mornfall> gn
[09:19] <robotgeek> Tonio_: doesn't build is you have automake1.4 and automake1.9 installed
[09:20] <Riddell> night mornfall 
[09:20] <Tonio_> robotgeek: do you use pbuilder ?
[09:20] <Riddell> robotgeek: don't install automake1.4?
[09:20] <Tonio_> mornfall: nite :
[09:20] <Tonio_> :)
[09:20] <robotgeek> Riddell: i removed it, and it's building
[09:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2210
[09:20] <Tonio_> this one should be the good one ;)
[09:20] <robotgeek> Tonio_: hmm, not that good at building stuff. fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage does it for me :)
[09:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for that error :)
[09:21] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I know automake is dirty, but I need to use it since I can't touch the tarball ;)
[09:21] <Tonio_> policy requirement
[09:21] <Tonio_> robotgeek: pbuilder is much easier than anuthing else for package builder
[09:21] <robotgeek> Tonio_: hmm, okay. don't worry though, it seems to be building 
[09:21] <Tonio_> robotgeek: okay ;)
[09:22] <robotgeek> Tonio_: hmm, maybe i'll learn for our next dev cycle :)
[09:22] <jjesse> what is the easiest way to get debian installed with kde on it?  just install debian and make it a desktop or is there a better way?
[09:22] <Riddell> I've not installed debian in a long time
[09:22] <seaLne> that works
[09:23] <seaLne> or basic install then kde
[09:23] <jjesse> how big of a virtual machine will i need?
[09:23] <seaLne> 4 or 5?
[09:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's still no kmplayer-app in debian/control
[09:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it need kmplayer-base?  why not just make them part of kmplayer/
[09:24] <Riddell> s/\//\?/
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, because kmplayer-app.install is removed
[09:24] <Tonio_> the goal is to have kmplayer-base
[09:25] <Tonio_> then kmplayer, the standard player, and kmplayer-konq-plugin
[09:25] <Tonio_> both depending kmplayer-base
[09:25] <Tonio_> this is the way you can install just the plugin without the standard player
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that fine ?
[09:26] <Tonio_> hum........... didn't I removed that kmplayer-app.install ??????,
[09:26] <Tonio_> strange....
[09:27] <Riddell> there's still kmplayer-app.install and kmplayer-app.menu
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: it comes from the tarball........
[09:27] <Tonio_> I need to remove crappy debian folder in it
[09:27] <Riddell> aah, yes
[09:28] <Tonio_> that's why
[09:28] <Riddell> evil tar has a debian/ dir
[09:28] <Tonio_> let me change this
[09:28] <Riddell> remake the .orig then
[09:28] <Tonio_> yup
[09:29] <robotgeek> Tonio_: simple question, how do i start/test
[09:30] <robotgeek> i found some setting in Kmenu -> Settings
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing with new orig with pbuilder and reuploading, I will let you know
[09:31] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yes and ?
[09:31] <Tonio_> I don't understand your question :)
[09:31] <Tonio_> wanna test kio-beagle ?
[09:31] <robotgeek> Tonio_: how do i start searching? it doesn't popup a window/anything after that
[09:31] <Tonio_> restart kde for kio to be loaded
[09:31] <Tonio_> and use it as a kio :)
[09:32] <Tonio_> beagle:/foo in konqueror
[09:32] <Tonio_> but you may have to wait a bit for beagle index to contain enough entries to make searches
[09:33] <robotgeek> i always forget to restart kde :)
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[09:38] <Lure> raphink blog was noticed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150867
[09:42] <robotgeek> Tonio_: beagle seems to be indexing now, i guess i will report back soon
[09:42] <Tonio_> robotgeek: thanks a lot ;)
[09:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it possible to set the icon size is system tray ?
[09:43] <Tonio_> it stacks a bit with kde 3.5.2
[09:44] <Tonio_> size should be reduced a bit........ I will searchhow to set this
[09:44] <Tonio_> same setting than in applauncher should be settable
[09:45] <Lure> allee: seen your report on powersave - do you use the latest one 0.12.7?
[09:45] <Lure> allee: I think cpu freq scaling is behaving better 
[09:46] <allee> Lure: Hi, yes 0.12.7-1ubuntu1, updated this morning.
[09:46] <Lure> interesting
[09:46] <Lure> will test this a bit more...
[09:47] <allee> Lure: Not I've not.  Last thursday I realized that kpowersave cpufreq-info -f (and -w) disagree with /proc/cpuinfo.  I'll try again ...
[09:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's possible but 16x16 icons there are too small
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: 24 is nice
[09:50] <Tonio_> it is the size I use with applauncher
[09:50] <Riddell> kde doesn't use 24, it uses 22
[09:50] <Tonio_> hum....... what is the size for applauncher ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> 20 maybe......
[09:50] <Riddell> 16
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, it is set to 16 for me
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that too little for you ? looks nice to me ;)
[09:52] <Tonio_> looks nicer that having them stacking at the screen bottom...... just my two cents :)
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[09:52] <superstoned> kio-beagle and kerry now both have /usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop so dpkg complains...
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: 
[09:52] <Lure> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-beagle_0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:52] <Lure>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry
[09:52] <superstoned> i beat you, Lure :D
[09:52] <superstoned> lol
[09:53] <Tonio_> superstoned: ah ?
[09:53] <Lure> superstoned: ;-)
[09:53] <superstoned> Lure Tonio_: :D
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: that's why the .desktop should be provided by the beagle package........
[09:53] <Tonio_> can't we ask maintainer to do that ?
[09:53] <superstoned> but beagle:/ doesn't work for me
[09:53] <superstoned> still
[09:53] <Lure> Tonio_: you have just volunteered... ;-)
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[09:54] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> okay, I'll do ;)
[09:54] <superstoned> (after installing and getting beagle running, kerry works, but beagle:/ in konqi just brings me to google...)
[09:55] <Tonio_> Lure: better is to put NoDisplay=true in it also
[09:55] <Tonio_> no need for an entry in kmenu for this I think
[09:57] <Lure> Is this the one which gets in System (the only one)?
[09:57] <Tonio_> superstoned: did you restart kde ?
[09:57] <Lure> s/System/Settings/
[09:57] <Tonio_> that's a requirement
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: I will send an email to beagle's maintainer asking for a desktop entry in /usr/share/autostart
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: while doing that, ask also to split package to base + gnome shit ;-)
[09:59] <robotgeek> Tonio_: hmm, initial indexing seems very nice
[09:59] <Lure> if n-m did it, they can also do it ;-)
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: no chance for this.......;
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: n-m did it because we did the package :)
[10:00] <Lure> I know - mono - it speaks for itself ;-)
[10:00] <Lure> we are lucky that f-spot and banshee were not part of it... ;-) 
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[10:01] <Lure> ;-)
[10:01] <robotgeek> Tonio_: it seems to be workig fine for kmail text messages, but if it has non text attachements, it's not opening/messing up
[10:02] <robotgeek> maybe i should wait till indexing completes, might take ages. :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> robotgeek: unfortunatelly yes ;)
[10:06] <robotgeek> where do file bugs on your packages :)
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[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: there's an issue with revu........ it rejects my rebuilt tarball......
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[10:14] <Tonio_> Lure: slomo is adding the desktop file in the begle package :)
[10:14] <Tonio_> we have to wait a bit
[10:14] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[10:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm testing the splitted package asking :)
[10:15] <Lure> ;-) maybe he has a good day
[10:16] <Lure> and we are lucky
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: will be uploaded in a few minutes :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> so we can remove that desktop file in the package
[10:17] <Tonio_> but we should do that in kerry too :)
[10:17] <Lure> Tonio_: fine with me
[10:17] <Tonio_> Lure: if you see jpatrick before me, can you ask him to remove that from his package ?
[10:18] <Lure> ok, will do
[10:18] <Tonio_> make a 0ubuntu2 and reupload
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does it say is the problem?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: because the orig version is the same, it doesn't consider it and keeps the old one, crappy, with debian/ folder
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm asking for package nuking
[10:19] <Tonio_> but no revu admin is available......
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you revu admin ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> raphink is, but not here....
[10:20] <Tonio_> that's a known problem on revu.......
[10:22] <Riddell> tsk
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: slomo looking at it
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: slomo isn't very hot for nuking the package........ need to wait for siretart
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[10:28] <Tonio_> or raphink maybe....
[10:28] <superstoned> tonio: no, i'll try that in a minute.
[10:28] <Tonio_> superstoned: that's the reason
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[10:29] <superstoned> ok
[10:29] <superstoned> tnx
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[11:13] <hunger> So far I have not seen any negative effects of using kde 3.5.2...
[11:17] <hunger> Tonio_: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/beagled.desktop', which is also in package kerry
[11:17] <hunger> Tonio_: When updating kio-beagle.
[11:18] <Tonio_> hunger: yes, known issue, slomo added the desktop file directly in beagle package
[11:18] <Tonio_> I have upadted the package on revu, it doesn't have the issue
[11:18] <Lure> hunger: can you report your powersave experience to KubuntuPowersave wiki page?
[11:19] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm updating the package on my repo
[11:19] <Tonio_> we will have to update kerry also
[11:19] <Tonio_> because it will crate a conflict with beagle
[11:31] <Tonio_> already seen a video of skyos ???????
[11:31] <Tonio_> quite impressive :)
[11:32] <Lure> ?
[11:32] <Tonio_> http://www.skyos.org/media/videos/mediastation/presentation.html
[11:32] <Tonio_> look at that :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> it is a proprietary os in developpement
[11:32] <Tonio_> amazing, really :)
[11:33] <Tonio_> Lure: i is mostly developped by ONE guy
[11:33] <Tonio_> a genius for sure.......
[11:34] <Tonio_> the only thing he didn't dvelopp is icons :)
[11:34] <Tonio_> taken from kde
[11:35] <Tonio_> the amazing thing is that it can NATIVELLY work with both windows and linux applications :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> sounds completly crazy, but that's it
[11:41] <Tonio_> Lure: correction : it WAS supposed to be native, but it isn't :)
[11:41] <Riddell> do we know Yuriy Kozlov?
[11:41] <Tonio_> hehe, anyway, that's quite impressive
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: never heard about
[11:41] <Riddell> he's been doing a fair bit of kubuntu bug triage
[11:42] <Lure> Riddell: seen many bug work by him, but no
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[11:47] <Riddell> I'll send him an e-mail
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[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing kaffeine 0.8 and finally there are interesting features in it :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: while we may use kmplayer for konq, are you still interested with 0.8 version ?