[12:03] <root_> km0ti0n: bash: dev/mount/hdb1: No such file or directory
[12:03] <km0ti0n> sorry root_ that's was for JohnFlux, as he helped me mount an ntfs partition, not for you.
[12:04] <root_> Ahhh
[12:04] <Cilindrador> i was trying to watch a h.264/mkv anime file  on VLC, but the video came out distorteds
[12:04] <Cilindrador> suggestions?
[12:05] <ipfw> I have a flash player, but I need shockwave also, anyone know a good shockwave player for Linux ?
[12:05] <nico8481> Cilindrador: i used SCIM under gnome but since i switched to kde it doesn't work anymore :P
[12:05] <nico8481> Cilindrador: and SKIM doesn't seem to be packaged for ubuntu :-/
[12:06] <Cilindrador> ok
[12:06] <Cilindrador> im on dapper anyway
[12:06] <Cilindrador> still, a good way to read/write to ntfs
[12:07] <Cilindrador> OTHER THAN THE "WINDOWS" JOKE PLS
[12:07] <nico8481> Cilindrador: what language do you use it for ?
[12:08] <Cilindrador> jaipanize
[12:08] <nico8481> and what's your native one?
[12:08] <frank23> ipfw: I don't think there is a linux version of shockwave.
[12:08] <Cilindrador> pt_PT keyboard and lang
[12:09] <nico8481> ?
[12:10] <Cilindrador> standart portuguese
[12:10] <nico8481> ah :)
[12:10] <Cilindrador> crap how can i install the w32codecs
[12:10] <Cilindrador> i cant seem them on adept
[12:10] <nico8481> apt-get install w32codecs
[12:10] <fatejudger> !xincludes
[12:10] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[12:10] <frank23> !w32codecs
[12:10] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:11] <Cilindrador> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:11] <Cilindrador> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:11] <Cilindrador> is only available from another source
[12:11] <Cilindrador> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[12:11] <frank23> Cilindrador: w32codecs is not in the ubuntu repos
[12:11] <nico8481> maybe you don't have the right repositories in your sources.list.. i guess it's on universe
[12:12] <me2win> w32 isnt in the repos
[12:13] <me2win> you have to wget it
[12:13] <Cilindrador> i have universe enabled all ovr the place
[12:13] <Cilindrador> ok tks for the link
[12:14] <Cilindrador> hm i pretty much like dapper
[12:14] <Cilindrador> pretty damn cancer to get up and running
[12:14] <leafw> how can one mount a remote server HD via ssh ? besides fish://, I mean mount as in mounting an external hard drive.
[12:14] <Cilindrador> apps did not boot
[12:14] <Cilindrador> but after i somehow managed to get 211 updates done (after DLing 720 ackages during isntall)
[12:14] <Cilindrador> i really like this
[12:16] <redguy> leafw: I doubt that can be done
[12:16] <redguy> darn
[12:18] <blanky> what's up
[12:18] <blanky> I just installed kubuntu
[12:18] <blanky> woohoo
[12:19] <XyFeX> lol
[12:19] <blanky> just wanted to see what it was like, since I usually do plain ubuntu
[12:20] <XyFeX> couldof just went in command n typed sudo apt-get install kde-core
[12:20] <Cilindrador> is there a good way to read/write to ntfs?
[12:20] <blanky> really? I always did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it installed all these unwanted things, whats the difference between that and kde-core, XyFeX
[12:20] <nalioth> Cilindrador: use windows?
[12:21] <XyFeX> on kubuntu website in the faq
 OTHER THAN THE "WINDOWS" JOKE PLS
[12:21] <nalioth> Cilindrador: there is none.
[12:21] <XyFeX> kde core is simply the basic kde compoments
[12:21] <Cilindrador> hm ok
[12:21] <Cilindrador> how do i had locales to kubuntu?
[12:22] <Cilindrador> namely, jp_JP.utf8
[12:22] <blanky> XyFeX, lol really? and it doesn't install all the useless things kubuntu-desktop does?
[12:22] <XyFeX> never tried but shouldent...
[12:22] <blanky> ah, hey how do I instlal a new theme, kde theme
[12:22] <Cilindrador> i've installed WPAsupplicant and its gui
[12:22] <Cilindrador> how do i access it
[12:23] <_Johnny> theres a few sites
[12:24] <_Johnny> they guide u through there
[12:24] <_Johnny> quite simple
[12:24] <Cilindrador> !wpa
[12:24] <ubotu> wpa is, like, enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[12:24] <_Johnny> most of them its just extracting the theme in you home/.kde/... folder
[12:25] <eric> Hey guys... I messed pu... hardcore
[12:25] <eric> up*
[12:25] <_Johnny> yea
[12:25] <Cilindrador> fds
[12:25] <_Johnny> whadya do
[12:25] <eric> While booting, the prompt said I didn't have write access to .ICEauthority
[12:25] <eric> so...
[12:25] <eric> I grabbed root
[12:25] <_Johnny> yea got that too
[12:25] <eric> and killed the file...
[12:25] <eric> bad idea
[12:26] <_Johnny> what happened
[12:26] <eric> now I can't boot unless its in recovery mode
[12:26] <_Johnny> aille
[12:26] <_Johnny> yea i had to go through sumthing like that
[12:26] <eric> it wont get past "setting up interprocess communications"
[12:26] <_Johnny> hmm
[12:27] <eric> I was wondering if A) There was a backup of this file
[12:27] <eric> and
[12:27] <_Johnny> ud have to check on that sepcific file
[12:27] <eric> B)If there was a way to changer permissions so anyone can have write acess
[12:27] <_Johnny> online ... im afraid im not the pro in that field
[12:27] <_Johnny> chmod
[12:27] <abeal> Hi, if anyone has a moment, I could sure use some help.  I'm attempting to install kubuntu 5.10 on an eight yr old system (Sony VAIO PCV-200). The system will hang during autodetection, specifically when the system attempts to load the ide-disk module.
[12:28] <abeal> I've tried reburning the cd, and replacing the only hard disk in the system, to the same result.
[12:28] <_Johnny> eric : with root and chmod u can set the read/write access of a file
[12:28] <Cilindrador> kubuntu does not install to dinossaurs?
[12:28] <eric> Ahh
[12:28] <_Johnny> aprt form that
[12:28] <eric> I still need to look for a backup of that file
[12:29] <abeal> ahh, say it ain't so!
[12:29] <_Johnny> (shot in the dark) did u try simply updating your system while in recovery mode
[12:29] <frank23> eric: there probably is no backup
[12:29] <Cilindrador> try installing DSL or puppylnux to that system
[12:29] <eric> i will try that
[12:29] <frank23> eric: I would try adding a new user
[12:29] <Cilindrador> distros like that are created for old mighty ones
[12:29] <_Johnny> yea... not a bad idea either
[12:30] <frank23> abeal: did you search the forums and google
[12:30] <blanky> !ati
[12:30] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[12:30] <Cilindrador> DSL/damn small linux has quite the reviews
[12:30] <_Johnny> ive got a question myself
[12:30] <Cilindrador> !java
[12:30] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:30] <Cilindrador> !javadebs
[12:30] <_Johnny> i have a master with xp on another computer
[12:30] <_JuDgEn_> !roflcopter
[12:30] <ubotu> _JuDgEn_: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:30] <eric> Yeah
[12:30] <_Johnny> and a slave with some stuff (i can backup)
[12:31] <_Johnny> wanted to know if simply installing ubuntu with grub would let me the chance to boot either system
[12:31] <abeal> puppylinux?  I'll take a look at that, thnx
[12:31] <_Johnny> i mean it should but my friend tried and messed up with mbr
[12:32] <eric> I don't see why it wouldn't let you
[12:32] <_Johnny> and mb if it would be safer to use the windopws bootloader as ive heard it can boot linux
[12:32] <_Johnny> although id probly need to edit the boot.ini and i dont wanna get too much into that
[12:32] <eric> I am not too experienced... but just be cautious (and, again, I don't see a problem with grub)
[12:33] <_Johnny> yea same
[12:33] <eric> I have xp and linux running on this, but no slave, so I don't know how that would react
[12:33] <_Johnny> lol worth the try
[12:33] <_Johnny> im sure it going to be fine
[12:33] <eric> Just backup first
[12:33] <_Johnny> but lets say i wanted to take linux off
[12:33] <_Johnny> then id be stuck iwth grub booting windows
[12:34] <_Johnny> not that its a bad thing,,,
[12:34] <_Johnny> bah i should read into it
[12:35] <frank23> _Johnny: grub booting windows and ubuntu is common way to do it
[12:36] <_Johnny> frank23 : yea i know but can i get the windows bootloader back if i decide to take linux off
[12:36] <_Johnny> id probly need to reinstall windows
[12:37] <_Johnny> although i dont think it makes much difference
[12:37] <frank23> _Johnny: no. there is a way to just install the bootloader again. probably using the install disc to go to recovery console
[12:38] <_mindspin> fixmbr
[12:39] <_Johnny> yep..
[12:39] <_Johnny> ok
[12:41] <leafw> can anyone help me compile the kernel pkg 'fuse'
[12:41] <leafw> I apt-get install the sources, but now there are no directions for compiling it
[12:42] <leafw> other than I have to use make-kpkg, which claims it's outdated even though it's the last version
[12:44] <goofy`-> how can i remove kde?
[12:45] <visik7> ?
[12:45] <_Johnny> remove any kde related packages
[12:45] <leafw> goofy`-: remove the kde-desktop pkg
[12:45] <visik7> apt-get remove kde-core and kde-libs remove many programs
[12:45] <_Johnny> and they will probably include the kde in the deleting
[12:45] <_Johnny> *deletion
[12:46] <visik7> kdelibs are the  core of all kde application
[12:46] <_Johnny> yepp
[12:46] <goofy`-> because i have already done apt-get remove kde and nothing happen ^^
[12:46] <_Johnny> yea... it can get confusing
[12:46] <goofy`-> so kde-core and kde-ibs and?
[12:46] <visik7> kde is a metapackage for the installation not for the purging
[12:46] <visik7> goofy`-: start from that 2 and probably not many other
[12:47] <_Johnny> the rest should follow
[12:47] <_Johnny> i believe since they wouldent be able to run without it
[12:47] <visik7> maybe arts
[12:47] <frank23> visik7: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96048&highlight=howto+remove+kubuntu-desktop
[12:47] <visik7> frank23: not for me
[12:48] <goofy`-> hehe for me :)
[12:48] <goofy`-> thx frank23  ;)
[12:49] <frank23> visik7: goofy`- oh ok ;)
[12:50] <goofy`-> brb i try ;)
[12:51] <Steven_M> hi all
[12:53] <leafw> anyone has a running 'fuse' module ?
[12:53] <leafw> Can't compile it. Can't find docs on what else is needed, either
[12:53] <leafw> I'm getting: No rule to make target `prep-deb-files', needed by `binary-modules'.  Stop.
[12:53] <visik7> what u want compile?
[12:54] <Steven_M> Last night I tired to upgrade to kde 3.5.1 using apt-get. Everything appeared to be working fine during the installation process but the about KDE screen still says kde 3.5.0. Despite this things like konqueror seem to be upgraded to 3.5.1. Is that normal?
[12:54] <leafw> the fuse kernel module, so I can use sshfs
[12:54] <visik7> modprobe fuse
[12:54] <visik7> it's provided by ubuntu kernel
[12:54] <frank23> Steven_M: did you restart X?
[12:54] <visik7> no need to compile
[12:54] <leafw> visik7: ok!
[12:54] <Steven_M> frank23: yes
[12:55] <frank23> !kde3.5.1
[12:55] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:55] <frank23> Steven_M: you used that repo?
[12:57] <leafw> visik7: is the 'fuse' module loaded by default at boot? Where can one check such a thing?
[12:57] <visik7> no it isn't
[12:57] <visik7> leafw: echo fuse >> /etc/modules
[12:58] <leafw> thanks
[12:58] <leafw> appending to the modules file
[12:58] <leafw> ok
[12:58] <leafw> what about making sshfs run not as root ?
[12:59] <visik7> never used
[12:59] <leafw> ok
[12:59] <visik7> I use fish and I'm happy with it
[12:59] <leafw> because it doesn't let me browse the mounted folder unless as root, and that complicates things
[12:59] <visik7> or scp if I'm on the cli
[12:59] <visik7> leafw: I think u need to use fusemount
[01:00] <visik7> to mount the partition
[01:00] <leafw> ok
[01:00] <leafw> not sshfs ?
[01:00] <visik7> mmm
[01:00] <visik7> really dunno
[01:00] <visik7> never used
[01:01] <leafw> xD
[01:01] <leafw> I'll figure it out
[01:01] <Steven_M> frank23:  I used: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main is that the right one
[01:02] <frank23> Steven_M: yes
[01:03] <Steven_M> i wonder what went wrong
[01:03] <frank23> Steven_M: what is the version of the kdelibs-data  package for example
[01:04] <bojan> hello
[01:05] <bojan> I just upgraded my breezy to KDE 3.5.1, and is SuperKaramba suppose to get installed as part of KDE or am I suppose to install it separately?
[01:05] <bojan> according to Adept I dont have it installed, but I thought it was part of KDE
[01:06] <Steven_M> frank23: how can I find that out very quickly from the command line
[01:07] <Linux_newbie> Hey, I got a new key for apt
[01:07] <Linux_newbie> butwhen I run sudo apt-key add -
[01:07] <frank23> Steven_M: not sure.. I always use synaptic for all this stuff.
[01:07] <Linux_newbie> after doing all the other stuff
[01:07] <Linux_newbie> It sits there at the konsole screen not doing anything
[01:08] <leafw> visik7: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/28/how-to-mount-a-remote-ssh-filesystem-using-sshfs/
[01:08] <leafw> the power of blogs/wikis/distributed info!
[01:08] <leafw> all I had to dowas to add myself to the group 'fuse'.
[01:08] <Steven_M> frank23: I've got to go, thanks anyway
[01:08] <frank23> Steven_M: np
[01:09] <ryanakca> hmmm...    when I try to access the kubuntu wiki, I get this error: The IP address of the host wiki.kubuntu.org does not match the one the certificate was issued to.
[01:10] <Linux_newbie> any ideas?
[01:10] <frank23> ryanakca: just say ok... I got that too. I don't think it really matters
[01:10] <ryanakca> nor do I, but the web admin might want to correct it...
[01:11] <leafw> frank23: it does matter. There is a problem in the KDE/konqueror in keeping certificates
[01:11] <ryanakca> ah
[01:11] <leafw> I get those errors all over the place, sometimes for google.
[01:11] <frank23> Linux_newbie: you entered you password, right?
[01:11] <ryanakca> I only get them for wiki.kubuntu.org
[01:12] <Linux_newbie> yeah
[01:12] <Linux_newbie> I am gonna try Adept here in a sec
[01:13] <Linux_newbie> Can you add keys in Adept?
[01:14] <frank23> Linux_newbie: I don't know. I never tried
[01:14] <Linux_newbie> wait, you use synaptic
[01:14] <Linux_newbie> can you do it in there?
[01:15] <frank23> Linux_newbie: I can check... I have no idea
[01:15] <frank23> Linux_newbie: yeah I think you can
[01:19] <Linux_newbie> Grrr, linux angers me...
[01:19] <Linux_newbie> but its still better than Windows
[01:19] <leafw> xD
[01:20] <leafw> there's no need to say that. W1ndoz3 is better in some respects. For example, when something goes wrong, you can blame someone else instead of youself.
[01:20] <Linux_newbie> Hahaha
[01:20] <Linux_newbie> yeah
[01:21] <Linux_newbie> plus... the hilight of the operating system, you can play Solitare for at least 45 minutes without one fatal error
[01:22] <leafw> Linux_newbie: wait for Vista. They'll make the solitaire 3D, and you'll need a Craig-2 to play against the machine.
[01:22] <Linux_newbie> Haha
[01:22] <Linux_newbie> Sooo yeah, Compiz is almost ready
[01:24] <Linux_newbie> ~/.Xsession
[01:24] <Linux_newbie> where exactly is "~"
[01:24] <Linux_newbie> ?
[01:25] <frank23> Linux_newbie: ~ is short for /home/username
[01:25] <Linux_newbie> thank you
[01:32] <CyberGuardian> Hello
[01:33] <CyberGuardian> Will there ever be free kubuntu CDs like ubuntu does?
[01:33] <frank23> CyberGuardian: I thought you could order the kubuntu cds from ship it as well
[01:34] <barktpolar> I don't think so, but I'm not sure though
[01:34] <barktpolar> Can anyone help me? :)
[01:35] <Kao|Away> frank23: afaik, the only CD's you can order from shipit are ubuntu
[01:35] <Kao|Away> however, all you need to do is sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <Kao|Away> then you've got a kubuntu system :)
[01:36] <barktpolar> But i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[01:36] <leafw> barktpolar: then get a liveCD and try it out.
[01:36] <barktpolar> I don't have a computer to put it in, I would do it on this one , but my family is very reliant on WinXP
[01:36] <barktpolar> I have the LiveCDs
[01:37] <barktpolar> It's nice, but I can't set up a dial-up connection with a LiveCD
[01:37] <laszlok> right the availability of kubuntu cds on shit it depends on ubuntu express, because then we can fit both live and install in one cd
[01:37] <leafw> barktpolar: then you can setup a dual boot. Just buy an external hard drive, a USB drive, or an internal HD, and install there.
[01:37] <frank23> barktpolar: why not. you can do anything with a livecd, including installing stuff
[01:38] <barktpolar> But my drive is SLLLLLLLLLLLOW!
[01:38] <leafw> as long as you have a large RAM.
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> frank23: i know one thing you cant do with the liveCD :)
[01:38] <barktpolar> 128 MB
[01:38] <barktpolar> Eat it :)
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> nope
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> use ndiswrapper
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> cant do that with a LiveCD
[01:38] <leafw> KaoticEvil: any reason?
[01:38] <barktpolar> Prob though with dual-booting, I don't know how to dual-boot
[01:38] <frank23> KaoticEvil: why not? needs a reboot?
[01:39] <frank23> !dualboot
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:39] <leafw> frank23: I think it has to do with the drivers not being able to reach the card, some problem with the liveCD emulation of the hardware
[01:40] <frank23> leafw: ok
[01:40] <KaoticEvil> yup :)
[01:40] <KaoticEvil> i wish this DVD would finish downloading :(
[01:42] <KaoticEvil> Taken from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper - "Before going any further, are you using a Live CD? If you are, give up now. This won't work."
[01:42] <KaoticEvil> barktpolar: why not?
[01:43] <barktpolar> I have dial-up and ISOs would take forever for me
[01:43] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[01:43] <barktpolar> especially 600 Meg Ones
[01:43] <KaoticEvil> good enough  reason for me LOL
[01:43] <KaoticEvil> im downloading the kubuntu DVD
[01:44] <barktpolar> and I don't have a DVD Drive either
[01:44] <frank23> barktpolar: the only way is by downloading at night with a download manager that resumes
[01:45] <barktpolar> But I'm not gonna wait 2 weeks for a download to get one, does it take that long for it to download on a Ubuntu System
[01:46] <frank23> barktpolar: your modem will not run any faster if that's what you're asking
[01:47] <frank23> barktpolar: and ubuntu is not very dialup friendly. updates can be pretty big too
[01:47] <barktpolar> I'm a noob a little bit about this but, If I start up a computer with a USB Drive will the Ubuntu Installer pick up the drive
[01:47] <barktpolar> and I fgured you say that
[01:47] <KaoticEvil> barktpolar: it should...
[01:48] <EricB> the network config choices are.. well. interesting.. My first install dchp took everything over
[01:48] <EricB> even though I have to static configure my ip
[01:48] <barktpolar> Dial-up s***s, I need DSL, seriously and another phone line
[01:48] <KaoticEvil> the kubuntu installer picked up my USb flashdrive, and it's a small hard drive, basically.
[01:48] <barktpolar> How big, 10 Gigs
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> granted, i wasnt installing to it, but i did see it in the device scan
[01:49] <EricB> I have to say though adept is pretty slick
[01:49] <frank23> EricB: adept is ok but I like synaptic better
[01:49] <EricB> I haven't seen it
[01:49] <EricB> I decided to ditch suse
[01:50] <EricB> other than the network config hickup kubuntu is nice
[01:50] <barktpolar> Will DSL Help with Ubuntu?
[01:51] <frank23> barktpolar: well, life on the internet will just be better.
[01:51] <EricB> uh yeah
[01:51] <barktpolar> Yeah, that'll be a while, I need to cough up some money first
[01:53] <barktpolar> for that and a new USB HDD
[01:53] <Linux_newbie> I got compiz working guys...
[01:54] <Linux_newbie> but its not playing well with kin
[01:54] <Linux_newbie> kwin*
[01:55] <_adam> hello, what type of chat is this? i was sent here with out my knowledge
[01:55] <_adam> just clicked the chat button
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> _adam: it's for kubuntu linux (kubuntu.org) The best linux distro there is :)
[01:55] <leafw> _adam: a help chat.
[01:56] <barktpolar> The Chat Room for Kubuntu
[01:56] <_adam> it is cool
[01:56] <_adam> i need help
[01:56] <barktpolar> second best is Ubuntu
[01:56] <_adam> lol
[01:56] <Linux_newbie> Its general kubuntu, but yeah mostly helop
[01:56] <EricB> is there a slick way to configure Xorg?
[01:56] <Linux_newbie> help*
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> EricB: slick?
[01:56] <EricB> like SaX2
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> EricB: don't know what sax2 is. sry.
[01:57] <EricB> a xorg config wizard
[01:57] <_adam> any suggestions on reading material?  ive never been a linux system for more than minutes
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> EricB: normally (k)ubuntu will get you setup good w/o any tweaking.
[01:57] <EricB> it failed
[01:57] <EricB> I have a widescreen lcd
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> _adam: tldp.org wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <EricB> you are all every stretched right now :)
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> EricB: so do I, what resolution?
[01:58] <EricB> I need 1680x1050 and it picked 1280x1024
[01:58] <Linux_newbie> anyone here have compiz working?
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> EricB: odd, mine too. My res is okay. try running sudo dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> EricB: that should give you the ability to select your res.
[01:59] <EricB> ok I'll try it
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> EricB: that should be the whole word reconfigre.
[02:03] <Linux_newbie> I will take that as ano
[02:03] <Linux_newbie> a no*
[02:04] <EricB> LeeJunFan: worked
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> EricB: cool.
[02:04] <EricB> now to restar this session
[02:04] <leafw> watch bash.org Linux_newbie : always on watch
[02:11] <EricB> much better
[02:13] <ncaller> Mar 25 18:58:45 localhost kernel: [4344454.567000]  usb 1-7: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 - I just plugged in my nikon coolpix e5600 camera into the USB port on this dapper box and got that in syslog, what dev should I mount to view its images, in OpenBSD3.8 it was detected as /dev/sda (SCSI disk 1) even though it is USB to
[02:18] <ryanakca> whats the command for making everything in /home/john show up in /home/ryan and everything in /home/ryan show up in /home/john ?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: Should be the same dev.
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: if you click your system icon on your taskbar and go to "Storage Media" you should be able to mount it there.
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> ryanakca: are you saying you want to swap the 2 directories or have them contain the same thing?
[02:21] <ryanakca> LeeJunFan: contain the same thing. Like say I created a file called "file" in /home/ryan it would automaticly appear in /home/john
[02:22] <ryanakca> LeeJunFan: /home/ryan and /home/john are both my home directories because I cant have kde and xfce running at the same time under the same user
[02:22] <ryanakca> LeeJunFan: so I have 2 users running 2 window managers at the same time
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> ryanakca: the more difficult obstacle will be having 2 dirs with different users and non-opposing permissions. Unless you make them both in the same group and make it so all the files are group writable,readable.
[02:24] <ryanakca> ah
[02:24] <ryanakca> I can fix that...
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> ryanakca: that being the case you can have an empty dir /home/john and mount -obind /home/ryan /home/john
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> add /home/ryan /home/john none bind 0 0 to your /etc/fstab to have it boot like that.
[02:27] <ryanakca> how do you get back from a "real console"? to get to one its "ctrl-alt-F1" to get back its...
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> F7 to get back to X.
[02:28] <ryanakca> kk
[02:29] <ncaller> LeeJunFan: when I go to system/storage media it does not show up
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: What version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:31] <ncaller> dapper
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: hrm. Me too. All my external USB storage dev's are seen okay.
[02:33] <ncaller> if I do sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/pictures I get: mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> mostly mine show up as simply 128M Media for my camera, 120G Media for my hd's etc.
[02:34] <ncaller> ps aux
[02:34] <ncaller> whups sorry
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: it's prob sda1
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: 1 being the partition.
[02:34] <greg> Hi.
[02:34] <ncaller> same thing, also tried sda0 sda2
[02:34] <ncaller> for fun
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: does fdisk -l /dev/sda show you any partitions?
[02:34] <ncaller> shouldn't /var/log/messages say which device is being assigned to it
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: dmesg should.
[02:35] <ncaller> no it doesn't show any partitions
[02:35] <ncaller> 4346726.339000]  ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup
[02:35] <ncaller> [4346726.567000]  usb 1-8: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
[02:36] <ncaller> thats all dmesg says, but I didn't think ohci_hcd was the actual dev you mounted
[02:36] <greg> Just got kubuntu running.  How do I get programs. (I'm moderately linux-aware, I just need the term to search for. )
[02:36] <greg> "Adept" just gives blinking icon, then nothing.
[02:37] <EricB> which package has inttypes.h
[02:37] <ncaller> greg is the box configured for internet access already? if no it can cause adept to die
[02:37] <ugen64> err
[02:37] <ugen64> what's the default root password after a fresh install?
[02:37] <ncaller> greg: apt-get update; apt-get install <package name>;
[02:37] <greg> ncaller, I'm on the box right now.
[02:38] <ncaller> grep: also edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to add repositories of software
[02:38] <greg> ncaller, is there a synaptic or kpackage or somethun??
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> ncaller: it should say /dev/sda1 or some such thing.
[02:38] <ncaller> right thats what I thought too
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> [4294813.011000]   sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >
[02:38] <greg> "May" I use synaptic-- is it disrecommended?
[02:39] <ncaller> greg: adept is kubuntu's synaptic
[02:39] <ncaller> Adept works nicely once configured properly
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> adept can edit your sources list too.
[02:39] <greg> hmm.  Doing Konversation here but "adept" just locked up
[02:39] <EricB> Action: BREAK but it doesn't tell me what broke or how to resolve it
[02:42] <ncaller> greg can you show me grep -v "#" /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <ncaller> greg can you show me grep -v "#" /etc/apt/sources.list | sort | uniq
[02:43] <greg> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[02:44] <Linux_newbie> Is there any way to install gnome light from kubuntu?
[02:44] <ncaller> http://scrapshells.com/~matt/random/dapper-sources - try importing some of this into that file, only change the words that say "dapper" to "breezy", then rerun adept
[02:45] <greg> ncaller-- is that do me?
[02:45] <ncaller> yes
[02:45] <Linux_newbie> uhhh. I am guessing that wasnt directed to me so...
[02:45] <greg> okay I see it is.
[02:45] <greg> be back in 10-15 mins thanks
[02:46] <Linux_newbie> Sooo... yeah
[02:46] <ncaller> Anyone here using Noobuntu: Linux for Noobs ?
[02:46] <Linux_newbie> I need to get a few things out of Gnome, but I don't need the whole thing
[02:46] <Linux_newbie> So someone reccomended
[02:46] <Linux_newbie> "Gnome light"
[02:46] <My8os> is anyone here that can inform me what do i need to do in order to add the greek kubuntu community (#kubuntu-gr) to kubuntu.org and kubuntuforums.net ?
[02:46] <Linux_newbie> but they had never used kubuntu so they didn't know how to get it
[02:46] <ncaller> what do you need from gnome?
[02:47] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: np
[02:47] <Linux_newbie> gnome-window-decorator
[02:47] <Linux_newbie> I have compiz
[02:48] <Linux_newbie> but its incompatible with kde-window-decorator
[02:48] <Linux_newbie> So... here is where I am stuck
[02:49] <Linux_newbie> is gnome light even compatible with kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:51] <Linux_newbie> I will take that as a no
[02:52] <Linux_newbie> Lot of activity here
[02:52] <Desh> ok so i got my wlan working, how to i run a command line from within a folder?
[02:53] <Desh> i want to install flash
[02:53] <kosh> just use adept
[02:53] <kosh> and have that install flash
[02:53] <Desh> oh
[02:53] <Desh> good idea
[02:53] <Desh> lol
[02:53] <Desh> i suck at adept tho
[02:54] <Linux_newbie> Doesn't anybody have an answer
[02:54] <kosh> all you have to do is open adept, tell it to look for flash, click on the flash program and tell it to install
[02:54] <kosh> Linux_newbie: I have no idea what gnome light is
[02:54] <Desh> hmm ok
[02:55] <Desh> after that can i delete the directory?
[02:55] <Desh> kinda like a windows exe installer
[02:55] <Linux_newbie> kosh: Its gnome with only the bare minumum
[02:55] <Desh> kde is better :P
[02:55] <leafw> Linux_newbie: that is the foot alone.
[02:55] <leafw> why not xcfe
[02:55] <Desh> kde is better looking duh
[02:56] <Desh> plus i dont like feet
[02:56] <Linux_newbie> all I need is the gnome window decorator
[02:56] <kosh> Desh: why would you delete any directory? just have adept do its thing
[02:56] <Desh> yeah but i dont want the directory on my desktop
[02:57] <Desh> ok lok i d/l flash tar.gz and exrtacted it into a folder
[02:57] <Desh> *look
[02:57] <Desh> this folder is on my dekstop
[02:57] <Desh> adept is open
[02:57] <Desh> but it doesnt auto find it
[02:58] <kosh> god you are making this so hard
[02:58] <Linux_newbie> leafw: what is xcfe?  I have Compiz and it needs gnome window decorator, its incompatible with kde window decorator
[02:58] <Desh> lol im totaly new at this
[02:58] <Desh> its another gui with its own tools i believe
[02:58] <kosh> adept does not look at your desktop at all
[02:58] <kosh> adept uses the package system
[02:58] <leafw> xcfe is a "light kde"
[02:58] <leafw> but he is gone
[02:58] <Desh> so where do i put this folder in?
[02:59] <kosh> you just open up adept, in search you type in flash,  in there you see a flashplugin-nonfree  you click on that, tell it to install and then hit the apply changes button at the top
[02:59] <kosh> Desh: you don't do anything with that folder at all
[02:59] <Desh> yeah i search flas and find nothing
[02:59] <kosh> there was no need to go hunt down and download anything, the system can do that on its own
[02:59] <Desh> flash
[03:00] <leafw> xcfe is a "light kde"
[03:00] <Desh> it doesnt show any packages when i search flash
[03:00] <leafw> mr newbie
[03:00] <Desh> oh i should turn that unverse thing on
[03:00] <Linux_newbie> yes
[03:00] <Linux_newbie> Ahhh
[03:00] <leafw> Linux_newbie: and compiz/Xgl is not ready for normal use (aka "production environment"). If you want to play with it, there, please do.
[03:01] <kosh> yes
[03:01] <Desh> how do i do that? :)
[03:01] <kosh> in the adept menu use manage repositories
[03:01] <Linux_newbie> Well, I need the gnome window decorator
[03:02] <Linux_newbie> And so I guess I need to get all of gnome
[03:02] <kosh> click on the line you want to enable, remove the comment character and hit apply
[03:02] <kosh> then click on fetch updates
[03:03] <Desh> hmm so if i want to be able to download stuff directly from adept..which lines should i uncomment?
[03:04] <kosh> Desh: uncomment lines that have multiverse and universe in them
[03:05] <kosh> just right click on the line and hit enable
[03:08] <Desh> whats main restricted?
[03:09] <bimberi> !components
[03:09] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[03:10] <Desh> ah ok i'll look at that in a sec
[03:11] <Desh> thanks all
[03:11] <bimberi> !components ~= s/linux.org/.com/
[03:11] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bimberi
[03:11] <bimberi> heh (*switches to /query*)
[03:13] <Desh> wow universe it is
[03:15] <Desh> hmm it says theres an error
[03:15] <Desh> for konqueror, which flash player should I get?
[03:16] <fatejudger> I think there's one in the repos
[03:16] <fatejudger> I always install flashplayer using firefox
[03:16] <fatejudger> then use Konq to scan for the plugins
[03:16] <fatejudger> but I think there's an easier way
[03:16] <fatejudger> !fglrx
[03:16] <ubotu> I guess fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:17] <Desh> is it wise to uncomment all the lines?
[03:17] <Desh> and have main, restricted and universe?
[03:17] <Desh> ok mozilla flash plugin was installed
[03:18] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[03:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:18] <Desh> No i enabled them all
[03:18] <Desh> But is it wise to do so?
[03:19] <fatejudger> Desh: sorry, I wasn't talking to you just then
[03:19] <Desh> oh lol ok
[03:19] <fatejudger> Desh: I needed the repos for myself :P
[03:19] <bimberi> Desh: yes it's fine to have them all enabled
[03:20] <Desh> ok, mozilla flash wont work in konqueror
[03:21] <chip42> can i safely resize ext3 to make room at the begining of a drive?
[03:23] <Red_Herring> uhhh... why does my HD keep failing?
[03:24] <ryanakca> hmmm... I made the mistake of trying to use keytouch to get my multimedia keys to work... now the multimedia keys open up random programs each time I press them... is the a way to "undo" this
[03:24] <nalioth> Red_Herring: have you run any S.M.A.R.T checks ?
[03:24] <greg> ncaller thanks for advice of half hour ago!
[03:24] <nalioth> Red_Herring: it doesnt matter
[03:24] <Red_Herring> how do i check it?
[03:24] <nalioth> its got a hard drive, right?
[03:24] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:24] <nalioth> Red_Herring: watch
[03:25] <nalioth> !info smartmontools
[03:25] <ubotu> smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.32-3ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 548 kB
[03:25] <nalioth> Red_Herring: ^^^^^
[03:25] <Red_Herring> uhh, how do i access it?
[03:25] <swedish> how do i fix it so that i do not have to type   ./ before files to execute them if they are in the current directory?
[03:25] <nalioth> Red_Herring: one: you install it
[03:25] <Red_Herring> heh
[03:25] <Red_Herring> whoops
[03:26] <nalioth> Red_Herring: two you run "smartctl"
[03:26] <fatejudger> is anyone having trouble with kdm themes in the latest Dapper update?
[03:26] <Desh> does flash work in konqueror at all?
[03:26] <fatejudger> Desh: yes, it works great
[03:26] <Desh> lol it wont for me :(
[03:27] <fatejudger> Desh: did you rescan for plugins?
[03:27] <Desh> rescan huh...
[03:27] <Desh> lol no
[03:27] <fatejudger> Desh: in Konq settings
[03:27] <fatejudger> Desh: under plugins
[03:27] <fatejudger> Desh: click scan
[03:27] <Desh> ah ok thanks
[03:28] <Desh> still no flash :( tho it said flash under plugins
[03:28] <swedish> how do i fix it so that i do not have to type   ./ before files to execute them if they are in the current directory?
[03:28] <fatejudger> swedish: that isn't a bug
[03:28] <fatejudger> swedish: that's how it's supposed to work
[03:28] <swedish> i know
[03:28] <fatejudger> swedish: ./ just means execute
[03:29] <crimsun> swedish: if you must, append '.' to $PATH
[03:29] <swedish> ./ means current directory
[03:29] <greg> Hi. What's recommended way of getting firefox-- it's not in adept.
[03:29] <fatejudger> why would you want to take that off?
[03:29] <crimsun> keep in mind there's a strong secure-by-default reason for not including '.' in $PATH
[03:29] <fatejudger> greg: yes it is
[03:29] <fatejudger> greg: universe maybe?
[03:29] <greg> hmm
[03:29] <swedish> because its annoying
[03:29] <fatejudger> swedish: it's there for a reason
[03:29] <swedish> grr :)
[03:29] <greg> k
[03:30] <fatejudger> greg: do you not like Konqueror?
[03:31] <greg> pterandon.blogspot.com  crashes Konq but not Fox or IE.  I find I ultimately need both.
[03:32] <ryanakca> hmmm... I made the mistake of trying to use keytouch to get my multimedia keys to work... now the multimedia keys open up random programs each time I press them... is the a way to "undo" this
[03:32] <fatejudger> greg: it shouldn't
[03:32] <fatejudger> greg: it doesn't crash Konq for me
[03:32] <fatejudger> greg: that's Kaffeine that's crashing it
[03:32] <fatejudger> greg: because it has embedded video in there
[03:32] <fatejudger> greg: you need to switch Kaffeine to use Xine
[03:33] <fatejudger> greg: it's not going to just magically work in Firefox either
[03:33] <greg> k
[03:33] <fatejudger> greg: it just won't play the video if you use Firefox
[03:33] <greg> k
[03:33] <greg> where's setting in kaff?
[03:34] <fatejudger> greg: are you using Breezy?
[03:34] <greg> And I'm not seeing either firefox or povray in adept: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ggRr9d95.txt
[03:34] <greg> yes, 5.10
[03:34] <fatejudger> greg: you'll need to get Kaffeine-xine
[03:35] <kosh> greg: if you have konq crashing turn off javascript
[03:35] <fatejudger> kosh: that isn't his problem
[03:35] <ryanakca> greg: YOUR site doesnt crash konq for me either
[03:35] <fatejudger> kosh: it's Kaffeine
[03:35] <kosh> greg: that is one thing konq needs to do better ,kill bad javascript
[03:35] <kosh> ah ok that seems strange
[03:35] <greg> k.
[03:35] <fatejudger> kosh: Kaffeine in Breezy is pretty unstable
[03:35] <fatejudger> kosh: Kaffeine in general is unstable
[03:35] <greg> but how to get Kaffeine-xine: not in adept with this resoucres.lsit: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ggRr9d95.txt
[03:36] <fatejudger> greg: it should be
[03:36] <fatejudger> greg: are you sure that you've fetched the new repos?
[03:36] <kosh> hmm I have not had crashing problems with kaffeine however I am using kaffeine-xine
[03:36] <Red_Herring> is it a problem when dpkg errors when i try to install something using apt?
[03:36] <kosh> yeah that would be a problem
[03:37] <nalioth> Red_Herring: depends on what you are doing
[03:37] <Red_Herring> um, installing a hart drive monitoring thing
[03:37] <greg> how fetch new?
[03:37] <Red_Herring> as in i think my hard drive is dying, and i wanna install SMART tools
[03:38] <fabioFx> exist any converter m3u to html? :)
[03:38] <ryanakca> hmmm... I made the mistake of trying to use keytouch to get my multimedia keys to work... now the multimedia keys open up random programs each time I press them... is the a way to "undo" this
[03:39] <greg> fatejudger, THANKS, I'm rolling!
[03:40] <nalioth> Red_Herring: get your liveCD out, and install smartmontools on it
[03:42] <Mungallo> anyone had any sucess setting up/using webmin on breezy?
[03:44] <ryanakca> !webmin
[03:44] <ubotu> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount for webmin instructions for Ubuntu. Webmin runs on https://localhost:10000
[03:44] <greg> Hi. can someone point me to menu item in Konqueror to choose kaffeine-xine? thanks
[03:45] <fatejudger> greg: it's called Kaffeine
[03:45] <fatejudger> greg: it's weird
[03:45] <greg> oh, I guess in kaffeine I make a settings change, right?
[03:45] <fatejudger> greg: Settings->Player Engine->Kaffeine
[03:45] <fatejudger> greg: yes
[03:45] <fatejudger> brb
[03:46] <Mungallo> thanks ryan
[03:47] <greg> hmm. fatejudger,  went through adept to install kaffeine-xine, but it ain't there in kaffeine's settings drop-down
[03:48] <kosh> stop kaffine, kill it and try it agian
[03:48] <kosh> again
[03:48] <kosh> if you close kaffeine it doesn't really close since it lives in the taskbar
[03:49] <greg> good point, kosh, but multiple "Quits" don't do the trick.
[03:49] <kosh> ah found another weird thing, the xine engine is not called xine in the settings
[03:50] <kosh> go to settings -> player engine and select kaffeine
[03:50] <greg> Gstreamer?
[03:50] <kosh> that is the one that is the xine engine
[03:51] <greg> no still a crash
[03:52] <ryanakca> hmmm... I made the mistake of trying to use keytouch to get my multimedia keys to work... now the multimedia keys open up random programs each time I press them... is the a way to "undo" this
[03:52] <greg> I hate that dizzying spinning logo *greg kicks kaffeine
[03:53] <kosh> ryanakca: well you can probably just remove keytouch
[03:53] <kosh> ryanakca: however I don't really know what it did
[03:53] <ryanakca> kosh: I tried that, nothing happened... it was removed (thanks to apt), but the configurations stayed... now I have no clue what they are, how to remove them etc,etc,etc
[03:54] <kosh> hmm
[03:54] <kosh> ryanakca: can you tell me what the name of the package you removed was?
[03:55] <ryanakca> kosh: keytouch and keytouch-editor... keytouch provided a whole list of programs
[03:55] <kosh> apt-get remove --purge keytouch keytouch-editor
[03:55] <kosh> and then try logging out and logging back in again
[03:55] <kosh> see if that gets rid of it
[03:56] <ryanakca> kosh: http://pastebin.ca/47100
[03:56] <greg> ALL- thanks, somwhow the site is now working equally well on Konq as IE. :) :( !
[03:56] <SlimG> Does XGL & Compiz work with KDE yet?
[03:57] <kosh> okay dpkg -P keytouch keytouch-editor
[04:00] <ryanakca> kosh: ty... fixed it... it didn't do it for me, but it did tell me what directories had the config files so that I could manually remove them
[04:06] <fatejudger> SlimG: nvidia, yes, ATI, no
[04:14] <ohnoes> i have a question
[04:15] <ohnoes> is there a package i can dpkg-reconfigure to setup my network devices?
[04:15] <ohnoes> i wasn't connected to LAN during initial setup
[04:15] <ohnoes> so i think i screwed up the network settings
[04:23] <karat> Where are the repository file(s) stored
[04:24] <chavo> karat, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <karat> Is there some list I can download that has a bunch of them already enabled
[04:25] <karat> Sort of setting this sytem up in a hurry heh :-x
[04:26] <chavo> karat, yeah but i can't remember the url off hand
[04:26] <karat> ahh found a system that i have access to that has htem
[04:27] <karat> now if i can just get this laptop feel right :)
[04:32] <karat> so awsome
[04:32] <karat> set this machine up in no time
[04:35] <karat> thanks kubuntu :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> anyone interested in testing kio-beagle ?
[04:45] <gfx> guys, how can I w
[04:49] <gfx> how can I change the mouse wheel sensitivity for GTK apps like firefox, it doesnt seem to obey KDE's Control center
[04:52] <gfx> how can I change the mouse wheel sensitivity for GTK apps like firefox, it doesnt seem to obey KDE's Control center
[04:55] <gfx> how can I change the mouse wheel sensitivity for GTK apps like firefox, it doesnt seem to obey KDE's Control center
[04:56] <tristanmike> !patience
[04:56] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
[04:56] <tristanmike> and DON'T ping me
[04:57] <gfx> tristanmike: wats wrong with the PING?
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> gfx: http://www.lacarte.org/online/irc/mircrulz.html
[04:57] <gfx> sory :(
[04:57] <tristanmike> i have asked you to stop, that's all i'm going to say about the topic, thank you
[04:58] <gfx> trappist: how rude, ur acting like debian
[05:16] <gfx> which is better an imac G5 dual-C or a clone with KUBUNTU?
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> gfx: get yourself a dual core athlon :)
[05:17] <gfx> thats too expensive :(
[05:18] <gfx> LeeJunFan: which do you prefer an imac or a clone?
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> I don't care for mac's, but that's just personal preference based on the OS they come with. I've never really looked at the hardware close.
[05:23] <AngryElf> why on earth is KDE restting my resolution everytime i log in to somethin other than what i had it set to previously??????
[05:30] <gfx> hey, how to I on  1:1 copy my ext3 HDD?
[05:30] <gfx> I want to migrate my kubuntu on a larger HDD
[05:30] <gfx> help me pl
[05:30] <gfx> help me pls
[05:31] <regeya_> heh.
[05:31] <kosh> look at man cp
[05:31] <gfx> regeya_: help
[05:31] <regeya_> cp -ax /one/mountpoint /theother/mountpoint
[05:31] <kosh> cp -a should do it
[05:31] <gfx> kosh: its to confusing
[05:31] <regeya_> man cp
[05:32] <laszlok> gfx: 1:1?
[05:32] <gfx> kosh: are you sure? how about the GRUB bootloader?
[05:32] <gfx> one to one copy
[05:32] <regeya_> gfx, erm, at the risk of sounding cruel, if the manpage for cp is too confusing, just please stop right now and wait until a later date, when the manpage *isn't* too confusing.
[05:33] <kosh> gfx: you have to reinstall grub
[05:33] <kosh> a live cd works great for doing that
[05:33] <regeya_> and if you'd like to watch filenames whiz by at an alarming rate during the copy, cp -avx /one/mountpoint /theother/mountpoint
[05:33] <frank23> gfx: I have a much better way (I think) wait a sec
[05:33] <gfx> regeya_: any kernel modifications neded? im going to migrate it on a logical partition, its on a /dev/hda1 now im going to move it to /dev/sda8
[05:33] <kosh> frank23: if your way involves dd please don't do that
[05:34] <regeya_> gfx: listen to kosh here...seriously, if the cp manpage is too confusing at this point, I'd run off and improve my chops, if it were me.
[05:34] <regeya_> whee.
[05:34] <kosh> umm
[05:34] <kosh> hmm
[05:35] <sledge> DOUBLE-CHOP!
[05:35] <gfx> kosh:  dd is used to copy hdd fragments?
[05:35] <kosh> so you need to copy the data, reset grub, change /etc/fstab for the new mounts, change the kernel args that grub gives and that should do it
[05:35] <frank23> gfx: kosh: find . -depth -print0 | cpio --null --sparse -pvd /mnt/newhome/    http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/ adpat these instructions
[05:35] <kosh> gfx: please don't even think about using dd for this :)
[05:36] <gfx> kosh: ill use cp to copy?
[05:36] <kosh> oh yeah and make sure the kernel you have on the new filesystem is capable of reading the scsi disk you are installing it on
[05:37] <gfx> kosh: how do I tell kubuntu about its new SWAP drive?
[05:37] <kosh> gfx: honestly what you should do is just reinstall and just copy your home directory over
[05:37] <sledge> gfx: swapon
[05:37] <kosh> sledge: not quite correct, that is a temp manual solution but it needs its entry in /etc/fstab fixed
[05:37] <kosh> this is something I could do in slightly more timethen it takes to copy the data but I don't think I can walk through it
[05:37] <sledge> of course
[05:38] <regeya_> gfx: by doing it this way, you'll basically need to copy, set up grub, and well, I think that's about it...if you're not comfortable doing any of that on your own...third warning, stop now.  or at least, if you can't get it working later, promise everyone you will *not* attempt to get an article posted on ZDNet about how much kubuntu sucks. ;-)
[05:38] <frank23> kosh: does cp handle soft links/hard links well?
[05:39] <kosh> has done fine when I have done it
[05:39] <kosh> using -a
[05:39] <kosh> I have live switched servers many times to larger hard drives with it
[05:39] <gfx> kosh: how about restrictions
[05:39] <kosh> what restrictions?
[05:39] <gfx> regeya_: I like kubuntu im a PRO
[05:40] <gfx> kosh: I mean should I do it as Root?
[05:40] <kosh> a PRO what? :)
[05:40] <kosh> umm yeah you have to do it as root
[05:40] <kosh> as a user it won't work at all :)
[05:40] <gfx> kosh: PRO GNU Kubuntu
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> a pro and you have to ask if you need to be root?
[05:40] <gfx> LeeJunFan: PRO != professional
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> ah :)
[05:41] <gfx> LeeJunFan: im a newbie
[05:41] <gfx> kosh: ok here I go I just 'cp -a'
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> gfx: well copying one HD to another may not be a task for a newbie, but then on the other hand one has to both succeed and fail a few times to learn.
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> gfx - not just -a
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> gfx: you want to use -ax
[05:43] <gfx> LeeJunFan: is this correct 'cp -a / /dev/sda8
[05:43] <gfx> cp -a <root> <logical partition 8>
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> gfx: no, you need to partition your destination.
[05:44] <regeya_> gfx: listen to everyone, including me...not being vain.  stop stop STOP
[05:44] <gfx> regeya_: huh?
[05:44] <gfx> regeya_: wats the syntax?
[05:45] <regeya_> gfx: seriously, you don't seem to be getting it at all...please just stop, read, pay attention, and try to understand before you make plans on how to do it...from what I'm reading, that's not happening yet.  not meaning to be rude, just trying to save you from a headache...and TWO of us so far have run the proper syntax by you.
[05:45] <gfx> kosh: should I do it in terminal?
[05:45] <frank23> gfx: you have to mount the destination too to /media/somename
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> gfx: Think of it this way, you are asking a bunch of flight instructors how to do a barrel roll in a F-22.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> gfx: and you've never been in a plane.
[05:45] <regeya_> 'so I just throw the stick to the left, correct?'
[05:45] <regeya_> 'no it's not that simple at all'
[05:45] <regeya_> 'ok here goes...'
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> Perhaps an F-22 was the wrong example, the fly by wire in that is probably good enough that most anyone could do it. :)
[05:47] <gfx> ok root is mounted on / and /dev/sda8 is mounted on /media/sda8
[05:47] <gfx> I just need the syntax and ill be on my way
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> gfx, do you have sda partitioned with swap space and what not?
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> gfx: sudo cp -xa / /media/sda8
[05:48] <gfx> LeeJunFan: /dev/sda8 is EXT3 and /devsda9 is WAP
[05:48] <gfx> WAP*
[05:48] <gfx> SWAP*
[05:48] <frank23> gfx: now would be a good time to create a separate /home partition if you haven't yet
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> gfx: will copy everything on / to your dest drive, it WILL NOT copy the bootloader (grub).
[05:49] <gfx> LeeJunFan: can I just grub install /dev/sda?
[05:49] <gfx> it will overwrite my XP bootloader but doesnt matter
[05:49] <gfx> synatx?
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> gfx: more like sd0 with grub, but basically yeah, you'll have to edit the menu.lst file for grub to point at the right locations too.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> gfx: do you have separate partitions on your source drive like /home, /var?
[05:50] <kosh> the bootload is not part of the partition
[05:51] <gfx> LeeJunFan: umm no.. I installed it on the 'all files on one partition option'
[05:51] <gfx> LeeJunFan: I like it that way
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> gfx: okay, just checking to make sure everything was going to be copied right.
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> gfx: cp -x won't follow mounted filesystems, which is why you want that.
[05:52] <gfx> LeeJunFan: wat do you mean?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> gfx: without the -x it will copy all contents of /proc, /sys, /dev to your destination drive, which you don't want.
[05:53] <gfx> LeeJunFan: wats wrong with copying /proc /sys etc. ?
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> gfx: those are pseudo filesystems, they are not on your disk, and you don't want them on your destination disk.
[05:53] <kosh> well proc is not real for one
[05:55] <gfx> LeeJunFan: ok so proc and sys will  they exist if I dont boot to say kubuntu OS say if I cp from Knoppis or a kubuntu LIVECD?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> gfx: they will be empty dirs.
[05:55] <gfx> LeeJunFan: I mean /proc and /sys are they temp files?
[05:55] <gfx> LeeJunFan: so its better to cp on a live CD?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> gfx: not temp files, temp filesystems.
[05:56] <gfx> LeeJunFan: ok.. so any good syntax to use?
[05:56] <gfx> LeeJunFan: can I just drag and drop files from knoppix?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> just like your drive is mounted to /media/sda8 /proc and /sys are ram filesystems which the kernel stores system info in.
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> gfx: no, use cp, but cp -ax /. /media/sda8/.
[05:58] <gfx> wats ./? suppose to mean?
[05:58] <frank23> gfx: the -x option in cp makes sure cp will avoid things like /proc
[05:59] <gfx> LeeJunFan: if I boot to knoppix my root "/" now maybe would be /dev/hda1? which is mounted somewhere
[05:59] <gfx> UNIONFS?
[06:00] <gfx> LeeJunFan: dont wori if this fails , remember im copying not moving so I can just delete and start over, no harm done
[06:01] <gfx> :)
[06:01] <gfx> guys? bz?
[06:02] <gfx> and oh last question, is QTPARTED SAFE?
[06:02] <kosh> probably not, but not partition tool is safe :)
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> gfx: once you get moved you will have to edit your grub and re-install as well as fstab to make sure it's got the right devices and nods.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> nodes.
[06:03] <gfx> LeeJunFan: yes its the menu.list and /etc/fstab no worries :)
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> gfx: okay, good luck.
[06:03] <gfx> LeeJunFan: ok now rebboting
[06:09] <Parkotron> Does anyone know how to hide the kicker with DCOP?
[06:20] <firewire> hmm where are the x11 headers?
[06:20] <firewire> I can't find the right pacakge
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lookk for the -dev packages
[06:21] <firewire> I am
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you hvae the deb-src lines enabled in your sources list?
[06:22] <MrClever> libx11-dev
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> you don't need src for devel stuff.
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's a factoid for it, but i don't know it ;)
[06:23] <MrClever> libx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
[06:23] <bimberi> !xincludes
[06:23] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[06:23] <MrClever> there's also xlibs-dev - X Window System client library development files transitional package
[06:24] <firewire> ah there it is
[06:26] <nalioth> !xincludes
[06:26] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[06:27] <nalioth> firewire: ^^^^^
[06:27] <nalioth> blah
[06:27] <nalioth> i shouldn't irc from bed
[06:31] <glick> scuse me im trying to compile a sample little kde app
[06:31] <glick> http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/tutorial/p2.html
[06:31] <glick> but i cant seem to compile it
[06:31] <glick> it cant find the kde headers
[06:31] <glick> can anyone help me?
[06:32] <frank23> glick: install kdelibs4-dev
[06:33] <glick> frank23: its installed
[06:33] <glick> am i compiling it incorrectly?
[06:33] <glick> im using qmake -project
[06:33] <glick> qmake
[06:33] <glick> then make
[06:33] <frank23> glick: I don't know....
[06:34] <frank23> glick: maybe you need another kde -dev package
[06:35] <nalioth> glick: kde-devel
[06:35] <nalioth> glick: kdebase-dev
[06:37] <nalioth> !qtincludes
[06:37] <ubotu> If a program asks for "QT includes" you should install the package kde-devel
[06:37] <glick> all installed
[06:54] <frank23> anyone running kde 3.5.2 in breezy yet? any issues with it?
[07:07] <Wallalai> Hi
[07:25] <ubuntu> quit
[07:25] <ubuntu> exit
[07:25] <frank23> anyone running kde 3.5.2 in breezy yet? any issues with it?
[07:27] <ncaller> I did a dist-upgrade to dapper the other day and my ALSA and ati-proprietary drivers stopped working.  So I did an apt-get install linux-image-k7 or whatever it was and that fixed the problem with my ALSA.  However my ATI drivers still don't work... I tried reinstalling them: apt-get install xorg-drivers-fglrx; but it said they were already installed
[07:27] <nalioth> ncaller: #ubuntu+1 is a better venue for dapper discussion
[07:27] <ncaller> even for dapper/kubuntu?
[07:27] <ncaller> well I guess video drivers have very little to do with KDE
[07:29] <nalioth> ncaller: dapper kubuntu dapper xubuntu dapper ubuntu dapper server dapper kitchen sink edition
[07:54] <BeOSMrX> test
[07:54] <BeOSMrX> hiya, just booted the kubuntu 5.1 live cd, and I am lost, why does it have to be 650MB big, when all I get are a few light apps ?
[07:55] <BeOSMrX> where is all the mysterious data gone too ? to make my download take longer or what
[07:56] <frank23> BeOSMrX: those 650 MBs don't contain only a few apps but a whole OS plus apps
[07:57] <BeOSMrX> why does it take 650 just for a live cd
[07:57] <BeOSMrX> beos can boot with 14MB
[07:57] <frank23> BeOSMrX: consider there is an office suite, cd burning,
[07:57] <BeOSMrX> office suite only take less than 200MB
[07:57] <BeOSMrX> and no games ?
[07:58] <BeOSMrX> no firefox ?
[07:58] <frank23> BeOSMrX: the aim was not to make it as small as possible. kubuntu has konqueror by default as web browser. ubuntu has firefox by default
[07:59] <frank23> BeOSMrX: you can install anything in the repos if you want (like firefox)
[07:59] <BeOSMrX> repos ? how do I get to that
[07:59] <frank23> !adept
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:59] <BeOSMrX> oh
[07:59] <BeOSMrX> that thing
[07:59] <BeOSMrX> i'm opening it
[08:00] <BeOSMrX> how do I search for games ?
[08:00] <BeOSMrX> what's the best 3D game
[08:01] <frank23> BeOSMrX: open source 3d game? I'm not sure...
[08:01] <Dasnipa`> "best" is all relative
[08:02] <BeOSMrX> all right I got my desired explinations, but all these things on the 'adept' they're ON the CD, but not 'installed' right ?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> some of them
[08:02] <BeOSMrX> how do I know ?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> a lot of them are on the internet, waiting to be downloaded
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm...good question
[08:02] <BeOSMrX> the Adept screen is unresponcive
[08:03] <BeOSMrX> it won't close
[08:03] <frank23> Hobbsee: All the packages on CD will show as installed already. anything not installed is on the internet
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[08:04] <BeOSMrX> Window with title "Adept" is not responding. This window belongs to application adept (PID=18222, hostname=localhost).
[08:04] <BeOSMrX> Do you wish to terminate this application? (All unsaved data in this application will be lost.)
[08:04] <BeOSMrX> that is piss poor, I download a large isntall live cd, and I can't even install a 300KB application!
[08:05] <frank23> BeOSMrX: you should be able to kill it... it's strange that is froze though
[08:05] <BeOSMrX> i did kill it, well this CD is going in the garbage, I'm going to try ubuntu live
[08:45] <TobyK> hi... need some help with usb drives on kubuntu
[08:45] <TobyK> can someone please help?
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas the problem?
[08:46] <TobyK> if i plug in a usb drive, my computer crashes
[08:46] <TobyK> looking at dmesg, it sees the device
[08:46] <TobyK> then says something like "trying address 1, device not accepting address 1"
[08:46] <TobyK> and so on until address 5
[08:47] <TobyK> then I get an error "ata command XXXX timedout"
[08:47] <TobyK> and then computer hangs if it tries to read from hard drive
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> TobyK: is your system up to date?
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, so this is a USB harddrive?
[08:47] <TobyK> yup
[08:47] <TobyK> fully
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a flashdisc?
[08:47] <TobyK> it's a flash disk, but same happens with hard drie
[08:48] <TobyK> i think it's because I have Serial ATA
[08:48] <TobyK> the same version of kubuntu works fine on another PC with an IDE hard drive
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i don't use Kubuntu, but i have no issues with sata+usb at the same time
[08:48] <TobyK> so noone else has this problem?
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> TobyK: can you look in launchpad to check, as i wont be able to replicate it
[08:49] <TobyK> where do i find launchpad?
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://launchpad.net/malone for bugs
[08:49] <TobyK> thanks, will go there now
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> np.
[08:54] <ubuntu> Hi I am using dd to make an image of a drive is there any file size limit the dd can restore?
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> no that i know of
[08:58] <ubuntu> I was just wondering about if there was a 2Gb limit, thanks, I wont worry about using split then.
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt there a limit - it's certainly more then 100 or so gig (as i know people who back up hdds with dd)
[09:01] <ubuntu> good, on to another topic, if I boot with a live CD then mount a working Linux boot partition and archive all the files there, can I then restore the files to another drive, and the Linux partition will work?
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> archive all the fiels on the live cd or partition?
[09:02] <ubuntu> from the partition.
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not quite clear where thefiels are going -  from partition -> over netork via livecd?
[09:06] <ubuntu> nop here is what I am doing, I have a old Linux partition, it was setup to do a very specilized job (I haven't got the details on how this was made), I need to duplicate this setup on another drive, so I have booted from a Live CD, mounted the partition, if I then archive all the files on that partition and restore to another partition on another drive will the new copy boot?
[09:06] <ubuntu> assuming I resetup GRUB
[09:58] <gnu_style> why does it fail to stop kernel load deamon?
[10:01] <gnu_style> why does it fail to stop kernel load deamon?
[10:07] <erofee> hi all
[10:08] <erofee> can someone tell me what prelinking is, and why/why not should i do it?
[10:11] <gnu_style> is there a windows port for Konversion or X-chat?
[10:12] <visik7> gnu_style: xchat yes
[10:12] <visik7> konversion no
[10:12] <visik7> kvirc yes
[10:12] <visik7> but mirc perform well on windows
[10:12] <gnu_style> visik7yepey, i got it
[10:13] <bris> bonjour
[10:17] <weedar> I'm unable to print pdf files - has anyone else had the same problem?
[10:20] <erofee> can someone tell me what prelinking is, and why/why not should i do it?
[10:29] <km0ti0n> I have a dualhead card how do I make use of both?
[10:31] <km0ti0n> In my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file I o0nly have one moniter defined
[10:32] <km0ti0n> should I add a 2nd, of cause with the correct h/v syncs
[10:44] <erofee> does anyone here use Apollon?
[10:54] <nico8481> hi
[11:03] <GNUstye> hey
[11:03] <robotgeek> erofee: yea
[11:12] <smoosh> i've got a problem with xscreensaver, it is installed, but don't appear nothing in the screen saver configuration applet of kde...
[11:16] <visik7> smoosh: xscreensaver isn't the screensaver of kde ?
[11:16] <visik7> smoosh: xscreensaver isn't the screensaver of kde
[11:17] <smoosh> visik7: yes, but it should work also in kde
[11:18] <visik7> why don't u just use the kde screensaver support ?
[11:19] <smoosh> visik7: because i need xmatrix screensaver, wich is in xscreensaver...
[11:20] <smoosh> visik7: yesterday it working in kde... i've formatted and re-installed breezy, and now i'm unable to get it working
[11:27] <smoosh> i've got a problem with xscreensaver, it is installed, but don't appear nothing in the screen saver configuration applet of kde...
[11:31] <arafat> !kchmviewer
[11:31] <ubotu> arafat: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:33] <visik7> arafat: xchm
[11:33] <visik7> ?
[11:35] <Rayman> hmmh
[11:35] <Rayman> somehow x won't start up with one of my user accounts.
[11:37] <Rayman> I get errors like: Time out locking authorifty file ~.ICEauthority
[11:37] <Rayman> let's see
[11:38] <Rayman> the /usr/bin/iceauth timeouts while trying to lock ~.ICEauthority
[11:38] <Rayman> any help? :f
[11:39] <bimberi> Rayman: check that .ICEauthority is owned by that user
[11:40] <Rayman> bimberi: i chowned it to the user. was for some reason owned by root
[11:40] <Rayman> but that didn't fix it.
[11:41] <bimberi> Rayman: i think you can delete but to be safe try renaming it (say to .ICEauthority_backup)
[11:44] <Rayman> bimberi: seems like that did it.
[11:44] <Rayman> wonder what caused the error in the first place.
[11:44] <Rayman> oh, I did do a dist-upgrade. But I do it daily and this is the first time something like this comes up.
[11:45] <Rayman> bimberi: thank you. :)
[11:46] <bimberi> Rayman: np :) idk why sorry, looks like it's a common think though ...
[11:46] <bimberi> !xhangs
[11:46] <ubotu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[11:46] <_shane> hi i have just installed kubuntu on a laptop. :) every thing seems to be working fine. I would like to know how I can check if the internal modem is working.
[12:11] <giamp45> Hi
[12:43] <Rayman> not really KDE related, but if anyone of you could recommend a lightweight P2P app I'd be pleased.
[12:43] <Rayman> maybe even a Gnutella one and one for torrents.
[12:46] <JakubS> ktorrent and apollon
[12:47] <Kasei^> Hi
[12:47] <Kasei^> I want to install  bittorrent 4.0.4 but i cant
[12:47] <Kasei^> i mean i install it from deb
[12:47] <Kasei^> but it doesent work
[12:49] <Rayman> JakubS: one without kdelibs?
[12:49] <JakubS> rtorrent (ncurses based), dunno for gnutella
[01:00] <somaliunix> '
[01:56] <nico8481> re
[01:58] <OdyX> raphink: pas cool...
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[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> please
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need a very fast thing
[02:06] <OdyX> seems bot for making money...
[02:06] <OdyX> Tallia1Kubuntu: yep ?
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> tried a rocket?
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i have a laptop with PC2100 512MB rams
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in two slots of 256 each
[02:07] <OdyX> Kamping_Kaiser: XD
[02:07] <OdyX> Tallia1Kubuntu: go on...
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i put  a PC2700 512 and a PC2100 256 instead without risking to burn anything?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> no. not without risc
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *risk
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> What would be the risk?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm working on the asumption that they have differnt voltage requrements
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> also, the fast stick is likely to be slowed to the speed of the slow stick, or the slow one clocked up - quite an overclock
[02:09] <OdyX> Tallia1Kubuntu: should ask to your vendor to change it...
[02:09] <OdyX> he'll take responsability => no risk...
[02:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know..
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can't do it
[02:11] <OdyX> you just killed him =
[02:11] <OdyX> ?
[02:11] <OdyX> your go to a specialist...
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> basicly, how much do you love the new RAM stick? if you love it a lot, don't screw with it :D
[02:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[02:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just spoke with a friend of mine
[02:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and he told me that they have same voltage requirement
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. one problem dealt with.
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> now the main concurn is that one stick will either be clocked down (isthat ok?) or one clocked up
[02:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it depends from the slowest one
[02:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and from the motherboard
[02:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know... but or i do this or i buy a 1GB stick throwing away 2*256
[02:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me try :)
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it's dual channel memory, you need 2 sticks anyway
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[02:16] <Kabal> I've got troubles with Kubuntu 5.10 KDE 3.4.3.
[02:16] <Kabal> When I have a folder over the 30.000 jpg files.. whole KDE goes trippin :(
[02:16] <Kabal> I've got 750Megs of internal memory that goes 100%!
[02:16] <Kabal> My whole system is not responding anymore.. how can I reasonably shutdown system?
[02:16] <OdyX> Kabal: take a google-look on "SysRQ"...
[02:17] <Kabal> OdyX: Process Nuke?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kabal: have you waited af ew minutes for it to thumbnail everything?
[02:17] <OdyX> Kabal:  ???
[02:18] <Kabal> Alt+SysRq does nothing
[02:19] <Kabal> Kamping_Kaiser: I did.. that went pretty well.. then I opend ONE JPG file with Gwenview..
[02:19] <Kabal> now it is not responding.. just cacheing for hours now..
[02:19] <Kabal> even my mouse is not responding..
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. nice effort
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> (wb Hobbsee)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[02:20] <Hobbsee> kpowersave works again :D
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kabal: tried opening a file using gwenview without the folder open in the background?
[02:20] <_philipp> kabal, just shut down everything and change the file preview settings less aggressive
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: :D
[02:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it WORKED!!
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> what did?
[02:22] <OdyX> Tallia1Kubuntu: happy to learn it..
[02:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> now i am up at quite 800MB
[02:22] <Kabal> Kamping_Kaiser: Not yet but I will try when I got my system back :) Still caching at the moment.. no kb that responds
[02:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :):):)
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Kabal :)
[02:22] <Kabal> _philipp: have noted the preview setting.. wil try that too
[02:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> PC2100 DDR 256 + PC2700 DRR 512 are working togheter to make my laptop powerful! :)
[02:23] <mhterres> morning
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tallia1Kubuntu: i wonder if they are both running at different speeds - i doubt it
[02:25] <Kabal> But I can't stop the caching process.. goes on for hours now.. and kb and mouse aren't responsive anymore.
[02:25] <Kabal> just slam the system off?? that a good idea?
[02:26] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:32] <visik7> how can I enble nfs fileshare ?
[02:36] <zmo> !nfs
[02:36] <ubotu> nfs is, like, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[02:47] <mothership> hi
[02:48] <mothership> guys im trying to get wireless working
[02:48] <mothership> anyone give advice?
[02:48] <mothership> please
[02:48] <visik7> I've installed nfs-kernel-server
[02:48] <visik7> but if I type
[02:48] <visik7> nfs://localhost/
[02:48] <visik7> it says:
[02:49] <visik7> Authorization Failed localhost authentication not supported
[02:50] <mothership> could someone direct me to get little configuration help on kubuntu ?
[02:50] <mothership> like wheres a good live site?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> mothership: maybe kde.org?
[02:52] <mothership> thanks
[02:58] <mothership> Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper
[02:58] <mothership> Some wireless LAN vendors refuse to release hardware specifications or drivers for their products for operating systems other than Microsoft Windows. NdisWrapper makes it possible to use such hardware with Linux by means of a loadable kernel module that "wraps around" NDIS (Windows network driver API) drivers.
[02:58] <mothership> This package contains the userspace tools. The default Ubuntu kernel already provides the required modules. If you use a custom kernel, you might also need the kernel module package.
[02:58] <mothership> thats the problem
[03:04] <Narodnjak> why doesn't my desktop appear
[03:04] <Narodnjak> insted of that
[03:05] <Narodnjak> it put's me in console ? :/
[03:05] <Narodnjak> and it say's domething about unable to load resolution temporary
[03:06] <Narodnjak> anyone ?
[03:10] <dipnlik> Narodnjak: if it was me i'd try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but not sure, wait a little for other ideas from other ppl in the channel
[03:11] <Narodnjak> dipnlik i'm usig virtual PC and running a kubuntuLive
[03:11] <Narodnjak> and it sets me a resolution of 1600x600 ...
[03:11] <Narodnjak> even if i mark the only acceptable one 640x800 till 1024x768
[03:11] <GNU_Style> I can install openmotif, it tells of an unmet dependincies
[03:12] <GNU_Style> how to install?
[03:12] <Narodnjak> i only need one live linux wich has Kdevelop installed ...
[03:14] <dipnlik> Narodnjak: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as needed (but make a backup first!)
[03:14] <Narodnjak> dipnlik don't need to make backup i'm runnin on LiveLinux ...
[03:15] <dipnlik> Narodnjak: oh, true. take a look at it and see if it has entries for resolutions you don't want and remove them
[03:15] <Narodnjak> k
[03:16] <Narodnjak> i just restarted it
[03:16] <Narodnjak> and when it gets to console
[03:16] <Narodnjak> i'll try
[03:16] <iGotNoTime> dipnlik, are you good with the xorg.conf file?
[03:16] <iGotNoTime> if so I have an issue
[03:16] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: not good, but hey, just ask :)
[03:16] <iGotNoTime> :)
[03:16] <iGotNoTime> well I have an Averatec 3200 series laptop
[03:17] <iGotNoTime> it has touchpad, when I tap the touchpad it responds as a double-click
[03:17] <visik7>  sudo mount -t nfs localhost:/home/visi/share/ /mnt/   works   nfs://localhost doesn't
[03:17] <iGotNoTime> it is supposed to be a feature, but it is very annoying to me
[03:17] <iGotNoTime> in XP I could disable it, but in xorg.conf it appears to simply be a ps2 mouse
[03:18] <iGotNoTime> nothing on the so called feature
[03:18] <iGotNoTime> any guesses?
[03:21] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: WOW, that's a very annoying feature really
[03:21] <iGotNoTime> yes especially when my palm barely touches as I am typing :(
[03:22] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: looks like this is a 'feature' from the touchpad itself
[03:22] <mornfall> is it synaptics?
[03:22] <iGotNoTime> yes
[03:22] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: maybe the laptop instruction booklet has some info on this? maybe a hard way to disable this? bios stuff or something...
[03:22] <iGotNoTime> I never even thought of that!
[03:23] <iGotNoTime> dipnlik, it just might!
[03:23] <Narodnjak> error temorary fail in name resolution <--- what is that ... ?
[03:23] <dipnlik> Narodnjak: network connection problem
[03:23] <Narodnjak> hmm
[03:24] <Narodnjak> like ?
[03:24] <Narodnjak> and here i have again 1600x480 grrr :/
[03:24] <Narodnjak> i'll just have to w8 for console to load
[03:28] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: google says you can disable the touchpad in the bios. maybe you can configure the double tap there too
[03:28] <brunft> Question ... is it a bad idea to install dapper packages in Kubuntu Breezy?
[03:28] <iGotNoTime> will try in just a bit dipnlik, it is charging now :)
[03:29] <dipnlik> iGotNoTime: (ok it is talking about the 6000 series, but anyway it is worth a try :)
[03:29] <iGotNoTime> yes
[03:44] <raphink> anyone could recommend me a pcmcia wifi card that works out of the box ?
[03:44] <raphink> and preferably works with mac os too ;)
[04:34] <slow-motion> bbl maybe
[04:48] <milan> hallo :) heeft iemand hier een idee waarom mijn CD Drive niet bij de opslagapparaten staat?
[04:49] <tristanmike> !de
[04:49] <arrinmurr> !nl
[04:49] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[04:49] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[04:50] <nico8481> mouaha
[04:57] <ziza> !vanilla
[04:57] <ubotu> ziza: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:05] <douglas> Has anyone here setup mythtv in kubuntu, I can't seem to configure the mythtv-database correctly
[05:11] <karat> I've got a brand new system and i can't watch movies off my dvd mplayer because its so jumpy, i've got intel onboard graphics i'm wondering if thats the problem?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> try turning on dma
[05:13] <karat> hrm suck :( it seems to be on the same channel as my hard drive and doesn't like dma
[05:14] <karat> i hadn't thought of dma though, thats probably the issue. thanks
[05:22] <erofee> Hi all
[05:22] <erofee> has anyone here installed apache on Kubuntu?
[05:22] <jpatrick> !lamp
[05:22] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:22] <jpatrick> erofee: ^
[05:22] <erofee> thanks
[05:22] <jpatrick> you're welcome
[05:27] <George`TW> does kubuntu support traditional chinese?
[05:31] <laplars> I try to connect to my linux with VNC. I lock the session of the pc i try to connect to, I get connected and see the locked screen, but cannot log in. Mouse/keys dont work :(
[05:33] <Pa4trick> how do i find out what video card i have on my computer? something equivalent to lspci.
[05:35] <tristanmike> Pa4trick: kinfocenter ?
[05:36] <tristanmike> that's similar to device manager...do you need command line?
[05:36] <Pa4trick> tristanmike: console, non-kde, lower level
[05:36] <Pa4trick> tristanmike: yes
[05:37] <tristanmike> have you asked un #ubuntu ?
[05:38] <Pa4trick> tristanmike: no, because they banned me
[05:38] <Pa4trick> tristanmike: they are irrational
[05:38] <Pa4trick> tristanmike: they banned my ip class
[05:38] <jpatrick> Pa4trick: hi
[05:38] <mendred> can someone explain what the version numbers of packages in ubuntu mean? for eg. kopete 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu3
[05:39] <jpatrick> mendred: that's the 3.5.1 verison of Kopete
[05:39] <mendred> well..i need to know cause i built a deb for kopete 0.12 beta2 and dpkg keeps saying that its downgrading
[05:40] <klugez> mendred: you can ignore 4:, it 3.5.1 is upstream version -0 is debian revision (meaning it hasn't been packaged in debian) and ubuntu3 is third ubuntu version of it
[05:40] <Pa4trick> how do i find out what video card i have on my computer? something equivalent to lspci. i need a command line command.
[05:40] <mendred> klugez: how do i version a package for kopete 0.12 beta2
[05:40] <mendred> to let dpkg know that it is actually higher version
[05:40] <jpatrick> 5:
[05:41] <klugez> jpatrick: no
[05:41] <klugez> changing epoch is a bad idea
[05:41] <klugez> since it wouldn't be upgraded later
[05:41] <mendred> yes thats why i didn't do that
[05:41] <jpatrick> klugez: oh yeah
[05:42] <klugez> i'd make it 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu3~0.12beta2 or something
[05:42] <klugez> so next ubuntu version would replace it
[05:42] <mendred> hmmm ok
[05:42] <mendred> will it be considered as >=the existing one?
[05:42] <mendred> cause kdenetwork depends on it
[05:43] <mendred> and needs >= that
[05:43] <klugez> i think so, but i'm not absolutely sure
[05:43] <mendred> k will give it a shot..
[05:43] <klugez> you could make it ubuntu4, if it doesn't
[05:44] <klugez> because next kopete package is likely to be in kde 3.5.2
[05:44] <mendred> u saying no more updates to the present one?..
[05:44] <mendred> in 3.5.1 that is
[05:44] <Tm_T> ?
[05:45] <Tm_T> what's happening here
[05:45] <klugez> well, i'd guess that next kopete package will be in 3.5.2
[05:45] <mendred> oh cool
[05:45] <Tm_T> 0.11.2 yes
[05:45] <klugez> but Tm_T might actually know something :)
[05:45] <cycus_zwisus> is it safe to upgrade to kde 3.5.2 already?
[05:45] <Tm_T> I should know ;)
[05:45] <Tm_T> cycus_zwisus: nothing is safe
[05:45] <jonttu87> why not 5.0 ? :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> oxygen is killing poison
[05:46] <jonttu87> i mean 4.0
[05:46] <mendred> Tm_T: I am making a package for kopete 0.12 beta2
[05:46] <mendred> so want to know what version to put there
[05:46] <Tm_T> jonttu87: huono
[05:46] <Tm_T> mendred: hmm, I thought I was doing it
[05:46] <Pa4trick> how do i find out what video card i have on my computer? something equivalent to lspci. i need a command line command.
[05:46] <jonttu87> :D
[05:46] <cycus_zwisus> 3.5.2. on breezy
[05:46] <mendred> Tm_T: personal package :)
[05:46] <mendred> not for mass consumption
[05:46] <Tm_T> mendred: don't do, you have package from me in ~2h
[05:47] <Tm_T> mendred: if you're in dapper
[05:47] <mendred> yes i am :)
[05:47] <mendred> actually compiled and used checkinstall
[05:47] <Tm_T> mendred: actually, you can have one right now
[05:47] <mendred> to make my package
[05:47] <Tm_T> ;(
[05:47] <Tm_T> mendred: anyway, if you like to, you get something to test soon
[05:47] <klugez> Tm_T: i want it :)
[05:47] <Tm_T> mendred: also, wanna upgrade to kde 3.5.2? ;) ;)
[05:48] <mendred> sure why not :)
[05:48] <Tm_T> wonderful
[05:48] <mendred> i didn't know it was releases?
[05:48] <mendred> released
[05:48] <klugez> it isn't :P
[05:48] <Tm_T> *testing only* deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main
[05:48] <mendred> lol
[05:48] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:48] <mendred> lovely
[05:48] <mendred> here i go :)
[05:49] <erofee> is 3.5.2 stable?
[05:49] <mendred> heck it can't be worse than debian unstable
[05:49] <mendred> is it?
[05:49] <Tm_T> mendred: .... =)
[05:49] <Tm_T> mendred: should work just fine
[05:49] <mendred> cool
[05:50] <mendred> hmmm
[05:50] <cycus_zwisus> will there be kde 3.6?
[05:50] <mendred> so 3.5.2 has 0.12 beta2?
[05:50] <Tm_T> mendred: nope
[05:50] <mendred> sheesh
[05:50] <Tm_T> mendred: but I make package to it
[05:50] <mendred> its running so well here
[05:51] <vikke_> !amarok
[05:51] <ubotu> I guess amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[05:51] <mendred> cool
[05:51] <Tm_T> mendred: and hopefully it end up to kubuntu repositories
[05:51] <Tm_T> prolly does if I don't mess it badly =)
[05:52] <Tm_T> my precioussssh
[05:52] <cycus_zwisus> i've upgraded to 3.5.2 but one package doesn't want to upgrade
[05:53] <Tm_T> that is...
[05:53] <Tm_T> and as I mentioned, it's still just testing
[05:54] <cycus_zwisus> it's  a language pack, it says it needs  kdelibs4c2a but there's no such a package
[05:54] <Tm_T> interesting
[05:54] <Tm_T> !pate
[05:54] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tm_T
[05:54] <Tm_T> !paste
[05:54] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[05:54] <Pa4trick> how do i find out what video card i have on my computer? something equivalent to lspci. i need a command line command.
[05:54] <Tm_T> cycus_zwisus: use kubuntu.pastebin.com and put all about that package issue to it
[05:55] <Tm_T> cycus_zwisus: thank you ;)
[05:55] <Blippe> Pa4trick, lspci does give you that information
[05:55] <mendred> cycus_zwisus: can u avoid updating that package? as in does something else depend on it being updated?
[05:56] <Pa4trick> Blippe: agp, too?
[05:56] <Blippe> yes it should look like this: 000:01:xx.x
[05:58] <mendred> Tm_t: out of curiosity how do u version 0.12 ?
[05:58] <Tm_T> mendred: kopete_3.5.2-kopete0.12-ubuntu1
[05:58] <mendred> cool
[05:59] <Tm_T> as soon as my kdepim is compiled, I boot to new kde and say magic word to build that package ;)
[06:01] <Pa4trick> Blippe: thank you
[06:03] <nexus10_> Hi. I have some printing problems (KJobViewer shows all jobs are queing up, I can't delete them) - is this the right channel? Using Kubuntu Breezy
[06:04] <mendred> Tm_T: u aren't using the epoch numbers in ur versioning?
[06:04] <mendred> Tm_T: just trying to understand how the versioning is done..
[06:05] <nexus10_> (Just on the off-chance that it is. the riht channel..) I have tried using lppasswd -a user to enter CUPS users -- but I still get auth failures when I try to delete the stuck jobs.
[06:09] <cycus_zwisus> wasn't kde 3.5.2 supposed to be out today?
[06:10] <cycus_zwisus> o sorry, i'm blind -  it was to be supposed to be out on 27.03.05 :)
[06:11] <erofee_away> it is 28th where i am... :)
[06:11] <mendred> cycus_zwisus: where i am living thats today :)
[06:12] <mornfall> KDE uses CET (or maybe CEST) now as a coordination time IIRC
[06:12] <cycus_zwisus> where i am it's 27.03.06
[06:12] <mornfall> it's 27 6:12pm, circa :)
[06:12] <cycus_zwisus> but on polish kde site it says 3.5.2 will be released on 27.03.05
[06:13] <erofee_away> QLD, Aus 28th 2:12am
[06:13] <attax|thana> Hi folks, I've a problem with my dual-screen setup after upgrading to dapper. Is there someone who can help me?
[06:19] <fit4lfe> input /output errors
[06:19] <fit4lfe> opc failed
[06:19] <fit4lfe> can't burn a simple iso with k3b
[06:20] <fit4lfe> did anyone else have this problem
[06:21] <SkrotFFS> fit4lfe: Depends.. doesn't K3b give a error?
[06:21] <fit4lfe> yeah
[06:21] <fit4lfe> but it doesn't make sense
[06:22] <fit4lfe> I have full rights for cdrecord
[06:22] <Tm_T> mendred: yes
[06:22] <fit4lfe> something about it thinks the medium is dvdr or something
[06:22] <fit4lfe> going to try another cd
[06:23] <mendred> Tm_T: just wanted to know..is there a reason for using epoch number?
[06:23] <fit4lfe> weird my dvd-rw doesn't like maxell
[06:23] <mendred> Tm_T: cause i noticed u haven't in ur package
[06:23] <Tm_T> I do have, I forgot to mention it ;)
[06:23] <mornfall> mendred: epoch = previous versioning b0rked, need to start over
[06:23] <noteventime> !register
[06:23] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:24] <karat> is there a iwconfig command to list what wireless networks there are?
[06:24] <mhterres> Why sometimes when I try to shutdown Kubuntu it not poweroff ? It's like I did not
[06:24] <mendred> mornfall: serious? but it does make sense somehow..
[06:24] <mhterres> I need to do "sudo poweroff"
[06:24] <mhterres> why ? Is this a kubuntu bug ?
[06:24] <karat> nm, found it (iwlist wlan0 scanning)
[06:25] <klugez> mendred: it is used to allow upgrades after wrong version numbers
[06:25] <klugez> ideally there would be no epochs
[06:25] <mendred> klugez: made the package with release -0ubuntu4 it works perfectly
[06:25] <mendred> klugez: hmmm...k
[06:35] <noteventime> !easyubuntu
[06:35] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[06:37] <Tm_T> mendred: ok, now starting to build the package
[06:39] <mendred> hmmm
[06:40] <mendred> Tm_T: what system u using?
[06:41] <Tm_T> what you mean
[06:41] <mendred> Tm_T: system config i mean..was wondering how long it took u to compile kopete
[06:42] <Tm_T> it takes ~30min with make and 15min with unsermake
[06:42] <Tm_T> about
[06:42] <mendred> Tm_T: grrr...it took me 3 hours with make on this stupid laptop
[06:42] <Tm_T> and packages are made using make
[06:42] <Tm_T> yeah, and my pc isn't powerhouse ;)
[06:43] <Tm_T> 2 GHz cpu and 1 GB ram
[06:43] <Tm_T> alteast it runs Kopete well <3
[06:44] <mendred> Tm_T: laptop is a 2.4 p4 which overheats if i run it too long at max so i usually run it at 1.5
[06:44] <Tm_T> :p
[06:45] <Tm_T> mendred: so I have about 2x cpu power (yeah, I'm running AMD)
[06:45] <mendred> Tm_T: nice
[06:57] <wimpies> I need to merge multipart messages from a news server ... which cmd line tool could I use ?
[07:02] <trappist> wimpies: I just use pan - it merges them for me.
[07:09] <wimpies> trappits : sometimes the articles are not complete and pars are missing ... Then I can download them from a second
[07:09] <wimpies> news server but need to merge them by hand
[07:09] <wimpies> Pan does a 'manual' download but how can I remerge them ?
[07:13] <trappist> wimpies: oh there's parchive and par2 for that
[07:14] <metalhedd> I lost the icon for adept_notifier in dapper.  its not even listed in my KMenu anymore, but i can run it from the terminal (but I get no tray icon)
[07:14] <mornfall> metalhedd: well it's not displayed when there are no updates now
[07:15] <metalhedd> theres a little green ball when there are no updates.
[07:15] <mornfall> there's not
[07:15] <mornfall> not in 1.91
[07:15] <metalhedd> there always has been for me
[07:15] <mornfall> i know, i changed the code so it is not
[07:15] <metalhedd> ok I see.
[07:15] <metalhedd> thanks
[07:15] <mornfall> complain with shuttleworth x)
[07:16] <wimpies> trappist : euh ... par files are MISSING !
[07:17] <metalhedd> its a good idea. the ball was annoying.
[07:18] <Tm_T> mendred: uploading it, installs and runs fine here
[07:21] <elijah> hi all
[07:22] <elijah> im newbie.....whats hottest news for kubuntu dapper?
[07:23] <elijah> ??
[07:23] <robotgeek> elijah: www.kubuntu.org
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> That it's not for newbies. :)
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> Actually I have only one problem with dapper, that's the handling of floppy drives, which is a hal problem.
[07:24] <trappist> wimpies: if you have all the pieces you don't need par files and pan can merge them for you.  if you DON'T have all the pieces I'm pretty sure you're screwed
[07:25] <elijah> but floppies work so fine in pclinuxos:)
[07:25] <trappist> LeeJunFan: there's a lot of bug reports being worked on for that
[07:25] <trappist> should be fine for release
[07:28] <mendred> Tm_T: link?
[07:29] <sredna> How do I install kubuntu from the live CD (dapper)?
[07:30] <Tm_T> mendred: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/kopete_3.5.2-kopete0.12-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:30] <Tm_T> mendred: it's not polished package ;)
[07:32] <mendred> Tm_T: lol
[07:33] <Tm_T> it works just fine, it's just not "in release shape"
[07:33] <elijah> will kubuntu dapper have OO or koffice please say?
[07:33] <Tm_T> like no manpages ;)
[07:33] <Tm_T> elijah: both if you like
[07:34] <mendred> Tm_T: I think i can live without those :)
[07:34] <sredna> elijah: It unfortunately have OO but not koffice
[07:35] <sredna> How do I install kubuntu from the live CD (dapper)?
[07:35] <Tm_T> mendred: I thought so ;)
[07:35] <sredna> Is it possible at all, or do I need a install CD?
[07:35] <mendred> Tm_T: yay google talk running great here..kopete rocks
[07:35] <Red_Herring> really?
[07:35] <Red_Herring> sound too?
[07:35] <mendred> yup
[07:35] <Red_Herring> w0000t
[07:35] <Red_Herring> what version?
[07:35] <mendred> kopete 0.12
[07:35] <Red_Herring> dapper?
[07:35] <mendred> beta 2
[07:35] <mendred> yes
[07:36] <mendred> i mean
[07:36] <mendred> no
[07:36] <Red_Herring> awe
[07:36] <Red_Herring> dang
[07:36] <mendred> its not on dapper
[07:36] <Red_Herring> dang!
[07:36] <mendred> i compiled it here
[07:36] <Tm_T> but for dapper
[07:36] <mendred> Tm_t has made a package
[07:36] <Red_Herring> ah
[07:36] <sredna> No clue?
[07:36] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: where is this package?
[07:37] <mhterres> And the version in 3.5.1 ???
[07:37] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: dapper, kde 3.5.2, right?
[07:38] <brunft> Anyone knows, how i can associate another program with the context menu item 'View Document Source' in Konqueror?
[07:38] <mhterres> I don't that 3.5.2 exists
[07:38] <mhterres> the last version is 3.5.1
[07:38] <sredna> brunft: Change the association for text/html in the file associations
[07:39] <sredna> (me wonders if he can be heard in here???)
[07:40] <Tm_T> mhterres: true, though 3.5.2 is in test round
[07:40] <brunft> sredna: thx!
[07:40] <mhterres> I read in #kde that a kde 3.5.2 maybe won't be produced
[07:41] <mhterres> but it's nice to know that
[07:41] <mendred> Red_Herring: u need to install lots of other stuff..to get gtalk working
[07:41] <mendred> its a big pain..
[07:41] <wijnands> yo folks, any idea why the default password doesn't work for root priveleges in kde?
[07:41] <mhterres> in dapper:
[07:41] <mhterres> Package kopete
[07:41] <mhterres>     * dapper (kde): instant messenger for KDE
[07:41] <mhterres>       4:3.5.1-0ubuntu3: amd64 i386 powerpc
[07:41] <brunft> sredna: can u recommend any program for this task? Don't like the long load time of Kate and it's warning message that the file has been deleted also
[07:41] <wijnands> yesterday it worked, but today it doesn't :S
[07:42] <mhterres> wijnands: with sudo ?
[07:42] <Tm_T> meh
[07:42] <mendred> mhterres: thats the kde version thr...if u go to help about in kopete
[07:42] <nexus10_> hi - anyone know if the CUPS in kubuntu has had the web access switched off? I can use lprm / lpadmin etc, but KPrintJobViewer and the browser interface just give me auth failures...
[07:42] <mendred> u get the actual version no
[07:42] <sredna> brunft: In kde 3.5.2 that will be gone (in 3.5.1 too, I can't remember when I fixed that). And you can reuse a running kate. But otherwise  there is kwrite
[07:43] <mhterres> yes, but I'm talking about kde 3.5.2 :-)
[07:43] <wijnands> mhterres no idea? what is sudo ? :P
[07:43] <mhterres> wijnands: sudo give you root powers using your default user and password
[07:43] <wijnands> sorry for the noob-level :P
[07:43] <mhterres> hehehe
[07:43] <sredna> brunft: Personally, I often use view->mode->embedded advanced text editor to view the source inside konqueror itself
[07:43] <wijnands> uhm well I just installed kubuntu with all the defaults
[07:43] <wijnands> yesterday it did accept the pass, today it doesn't
[07:44] <sredna> Noone can tell me if there is a way to install kubuntu from a live CD?
[07:44] <mhterres> try: sudo su, put your password and you must become root
[07:44] <mhterres> try this
[07:44] <mhterres> Kopete: March 21th, 2006 	Kopete 0.12 Beta 2 Released
[07:44] <brunft> sredna: yo thats exactly what i was looking for =) thx for the info. You mean the 'View Document Source' menu will be gone in 3.5.2?
[07:45] <mendred> mhterres: yeah thats the version i am running
[07:45] <wijnands> thanx mhterres, i'll try in a minute
[07:45] <mhterres> I'll wait for the stable version :-)
[07:45] <mendred> mhterres: sensible :)
[07:45] <mhterres> heheheh
[07:46] <sredna> brunft: No, I mean that kate in 3.5.2 will not produce the warning, and it will be able to load files into an existing instance wiht little hazzle. I wrote an article at drupal.kate-editor.org about it
[07:46] <mhterres> Kopete is really nice, but I never know how to aggrupate accounts of the same user in just on contact
[07:47] <frank23> sredna: no you can't install from the live cd
[07:47] <sredna> frank23: Thank you!
[07:49] <gleesond> Its's weird. everytime I logout and log back in a few of the icons on my pannel dissapear
[07:50] <gleesond> has anyone else had this porblem
[07:52] <brunft> sredna: That's great news ... can't await release of Dapper. I was used to the fast & simple 'View Source' of Firefox (in ancient Windows times) and that's one of the few things i was missing in Konqueror
[07:56] <elijah> hey how fast is kde 3.5.2??
[07:56] <elijah> faster than gnome 2.14? :)
[07:56] <sredna> brunft: Kwrite is significantly faster than kate in startup time, as it does not contain all the plugins and managers to maintain several documents and views
[07:56] <brunft> sredna: Please allow one more question ... can i assign a shortcut to 'View mode' => 'Embedded advance text editor'?
[07:56] <sredna> brunft: Try Settings->Configure shortcuts
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> yeah, which you'll notice with kde vs gnome too - depends on how many eye candy thingies and what not you have enabled.
[07:57] <sredna> This is really KDE support ;)
[07:57] <sredna> LeeJunFan: Eh what?
[07:57] <brunft> brunft: =) thx very much. Another one ... which article did u mean on drupal.kate-editor.org?
[07:58] <sredna> http://drupal.kate-editor.org/article/using_named_sessions
[08:02] <vijay> hi all, can any one tell me a glassy theme for me plz
[08:06] <Lurkan> hi, kubuntu work whit uft-8 o unicode
[08:08] <OdyX> Lurkan: UTF IS Unicode
[08:08] <Lurkan> :)
[08:23] <_patrick> kdb seem better than gnome how do i get it
[08:23] <_patrick> kde
[08:23] <mhterres> apt-get install kde
[08:24] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <trappist> what Riddell said
[08:24] <_patrick> is kde Kubuntu
[08:24] <OdyX> _patrick: you should not say "kde seems better than [any_other] ", you should say "KDE is better than [any_other] "
[08:24] <trappist> Riddell: are you involved with kde? I think you applied one of my patches this weekend
[08:24] <mhterres> hehe
[08:25] <OdyX> Riddell is only "a bit" involved...
[08:25] <Riddell> yeah, I do the odd bit :)
[08:25] <_patrick> i dont know which is better i just got ubuntu last week
[08:25] <trappist> _patrick: give em both a shot
[08:25] <trappist> neither one is for everybody
[08:26] <Riddell> _patrick: kubuntu-desktop is a sensible selection of kde packages, you don't need all the kde packages
[08:26] <_patrick> so is KDE Kubuntu or is it different
[08:26] <trappist> kubuntu is ubuntu + kde
[08:26] <Chousuke> and sans nome.
[08:26] <mhterres> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE and some customized things
[08:26] <Chousuke> gnome*
[08:27] <mhterres> next time install Kubuntu :-)
[08:27] <_patrick> ow ok i will give it ago
[08:27] <Chousuke> My family is using a machine which has xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed :P
[08:27] <tristanmike> _patrick: you'll be pleasently surprised
[08:27] <Chousuke> Disk space is irrelevant ;)
[08:27] <_patrick> i got 400gb hdd
[08:27] <Chousuke> It's not even bloat.
[08:27] <tristanmike> O.O
[08:28] <Chousuke> I call it "options, in case I need them" :P
[08:28] <_patrick> might ne getting a 500gb for storage soon
[08:28] <tristanmike> shaddup :P
[08:28] <_patrick> 900gb in total that would be good
[08:29] <tristanmike> send me some space, I only have and 80 giger, partitioned 3 times :P
[08:29] <Chousuke> btw, anyone on this channel who doesn't need the comfort of a desktop environment should try ion3. It's awesome. :)
[08:29] <iGotNoTime> patrick__, I just got 1.6TB last week :)
[08:30] <Chousuke> I have a 60GB internal HD and an 160GB external one.
[08:30] <_patrick> mine is got 3 os partitions then 4 storage partitions
[08:30] <_patrick> where did ya get the 1.6TB
[08:30] <Chousuke> from the shop? :P
[08:31] <Chousuke> you can always buy lots of hard drives and build a raid array of them :)
[08:31] <mhterres> hehehe
[08:31] <mhterres> It's true
[08:31] <iGotNoTime> 5 250GB SATA drives and 2 IDE pre-existing
[08:31] <iGotNoTime> bought them from tiger :)
[08:31] <iGotNoTime> not too bad too
[08:32] <Chousuke> iGotNoTime: Surely you have them in some RAID setup? :P
[08:32] <_patrick> an array of then hdd would be good incase one goes poop
[08:32] <iGotNoTime> 900GB SATA setup is only $400 something
[08:32] <iGotNoTime> Chousuke, I don't even know how to setup a RAID
[08:33] <iGotNoTime> I have a pile of drives that each stand alone Chousuke
[08:33] <_patrick> can ya buy bigger hdd than a TB
[08:33] <iGotNoTime> patrick__, money can do anything I am sure
[08:33] <OdyX> Hey guys... I'm about to format my 60Gb-disk... What partitionning sould I do ?
[08:33] <Chousuke> iGotNoTime: you should learn. You can set them up so, that only by sacrificing a certain percentage of the storage, you won't lose data if one of those HDs breaks.
[08:33] <OdyX> (for Dapper)
[08:33] <_patrick> i wonder how long it takes to format a TB hdd
[08:33] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, but the largest I have seen in catalogs is 500GB
[08:33] <Chousuke> _patrick: not long.
[08:34] <Chousuke> _patrick: making a filesystem is quite a speedy procedure.
[08:34] <iGotNoTime> Chousuke, never had a drive fail on me yet
[08:34] <iGotNoTime> Chousuke, am I lucky?
[08:34] <Chousuke> iGotNoTime: They will someday
[08:34] <_patrick> the largest i have seen is 500gb to of ebuyer and dabs
[08:34] <trappist> iGotNoTime: famous last words
[08:34] <iGotNoTime> trappist, hehe
[08:34] <Chousuke> iGotNoTime: a typical HD lives for three to five years I think
[08:35] <iGotNoTime> I just don't see the point in RAID really?
[08:35] <Chousuke> depends on how you use it.
[08:35] <iGotNoTime> My drives are usually replaced within that timeframe anyway
[08:35] <Chousuke> I'm afraid for my laptop HD
[08:35] <_patrick> then when they die put them in the frezzer then you get about 30min before they pop, well thats what iv heard
[08:35] <Chousuke> I'm not exactly treating this machine with silk gloves :P
[08:36] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, not enough time for me to move anything LOL
[08:36] <novaq> hi
[08:36] <iGotNoTime> hi novaq
[08:36] <_patrick> me either, my 400gb only got 20gb left
[08:36] <_patrick> and im a student
[08:36] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, it goes so so fast
[08:36] <iGotNoTime> no matter what I get I always use it :(
[08:37] <niubbo> hi all, how i can add the module for toshiba_acpi witout compile a new kernel
[08:37] <niubbo> ?
[08:37] <novaq> Can you tell me , ehy that soft p2p don't work on Ubuntu ?  /home/novaq/FileZilla_2_2_19a_src/source
[08:37] <_patrick> when i was 8 years old my 8gb took ages to get filled
[08:37] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, hehe.... when I was 8 40MB was big :D
[08:38] <JakubS_> i had 40MB hd once :-)
[08:38] <novaq> and that : http://www.god.com.pl/download/code/index.php?ok=1&code=7b1x8183&id=176
[08:38] <_patrick> lol
[08:38] <iGotNoTime> and $5 per MB!
[08:40] <iGotNoTime> novaq, I really don't know I don't run Kubuntu :(
[08:40] <_patrick> brb just rebooting
[08:42] <iGotNoTime> I have been running an auto-update for 5 hours now and I am only about 80% through it!!!
[08:42] <_patrick> wow KDE is better than Gnome
[08:42] <_patrick> igotnotime: what internet speed you got
[08:43] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, yes but soon Gnome will win because it will remain open :)
[08:43] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, 256/2048
[08:43] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, 600MB + in packages from a bad mirror :(
[08:43] <_patrick> wat is it UP/DW
[08:44] <iGotNoTime> yes up 256 down 2048
[08:44] <_patrick> iv got 2mb broadband
[08:44] <iGotNoTime> package 146 of 173 now :(
[08:44] <_patrick> might be getting 10mb
[08:45] <iGotNoTime> my ISP is too greedy to give us more
[08:45] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, you are Brit?
[08:45] <_patrick> yep how you know
[08:45] <iGotNoTime> iGotNoTime, I read about that upgrade a couple days ago
[08:45] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, probably will be another free one to you!
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> like the 2mb was free
[08:46] <_patrick> im with NTL
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> lucky bastards LOL
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, it didn't say though, will it increase your up speeds?
[08:46] <_patrick> nah BT(ADSL) didnt give me the full 2mb
[08:47] <_patrick> so i had to go to cable
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> _patrick, I only can get cable here, no DSL on my street... The cable company is VERY greedy where I live
[08:48] <_patrick> lol where are you from
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> Ohio USA
[08:49] <_patrick> im from England
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> my ISP used to be about 20 pounds, but they have raised the price to about 35 pounds, yet the people who live where DSL is available get it for only 10 pounds!
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> same lines
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> same ISP
[08:50] <OdyX> bye
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> when DSL is on my street my price will be low, for now they only suck my money away like a lawyer... enjoying it as long as there is no competition
[08:52] <pvh> wow, that's really uncool
[08:53] <iGotNoTime> my friend lives 5 houses down, he can get DSL. As soon as DSL was made available the cable provider offered to cut his monthly bill by 75% to keep him
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> I wish I was within DSL range :(
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> I even offered to the telco for me to pay the extra wire costs LOL
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> no go
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> I am desperate these days :P
[08:55] <pvh> where I live, DSL is worse than cable
[08:55] <pvh> if you agree to stick with DSL, they'll give you a Dell 19" LCD
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> yes same here, but I would take that in exchange for the price
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> what?!!!
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> for real?
[08:56] <pvh> yep, but you gotta stay for 3 yrs
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> I'll do it! :P
[08:56] <pvh> yeah, i think i will too
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> what telco?
[08:56] <pvh> telus
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> I like when they fight for customers :D
[08:57] <pvh> it's good for us, anyway
[08:59] <nexus10_> Any CUPS gurus online here? Anyone know if CUPS HTTP admin has been disabled in the kubuntu CUPS build? Can't get the thing to work at all :-(
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> I would think if there are more than 600MB in packages to update it would be about time to update the ISO file ?!!
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> this is nuts
[09:20] <ishorseman> good afternoon
[09:32] <ishorseman> can any of you gentle people help me with a dcopserver problem ?
[09:33] <robotgeek> ishorseman: i am not very clear on that, but you may feel free to just ask your question
[09:34] <_philipp> !ask
[09:34] <robotgeek> _philipp: stupid bot, ain't it :)
[09:34] <ishorseman> this will take a minut
[09:34] <ishorseman> I type slow
[09:36] <ishorseman> new breezy badger install whin I tru to use any admin services or kdesu I get a message saying I need to check my decopserver
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> How to install a KDE theme from .tar.gz?  There were instructions on kde-look.org, but that's down.
[09:38] <ishorseman> I tryed  to start the server with sudo decopserver and got a message that it was allready running
[09:38] <ishorseman> there is a ,DECO----- fike in my admin directory
[09:39] <ishorseman> fike = file
[09:40] <tristanmike> tonyyarusso: iirc, I used Kcontrol and their theme control
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> tristanmike: Okay, it doesn't seem to like just the tarball itself; should I be looking for a particular control file within it?
[09:41] <ishorseman> my question is do i just delete that file with sudo rm filename then start the server again?
[09:44] <tristanmike> tonyyarusso: hmm, it seems you might need to extract it and then install the "theme file" but I'd check "Theme Manager"
[09:44] <tristanmike> in the KDE Control Center
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> tristanmike: Okay.
[09:44] <tristanmike> I don't think it's in the menu in Kubuntu Breezy by default
[09:44] <tristanmike> iirc I had to install it manually
[09:50] <heinkel_111> anyone got more ideas for my cd burning problem? read -->  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4254.0
[09:51] <tonyyarusso> !superkaramba
[09:51] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> Could someone please translate http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10929 into English for me?  I suspect it may be Italian.  Thanks.
[09:57] <haakonn> hi. i recently discovered that flash files in firefox have no sound. they used to have. i don't know what has happened. no sound in mozilla either. i've tried quitting amarok and all. lsof/fuser says /dev/dsp is not busy. any suggestions?
[10:03] <Rayman> does being a VNC 'server' eat up lots of resources?
[10:03] <Rayman> would be easier to remote-help a friend of mine.. but he's on Pentium II
[10:06] <inteliwasp> does anyone use torsmo or conky
[10:08] <nico8481> re
[10:20] <osh> Hi. I'm trying to setup raid1 on my disks in my machine. How is it now? First LVM then RAID or the other way around?
[10:21] <rebelguys6> i believe its raid first, then lvm
[10:23] <rebelguys6> since you are starting from the bottom (drives) and then building the raid on that, then the lvm layer, then the fs
[10:23] <osh> rebelguys6: that was my thought too but I've not been able to get the raid part to work yet. the other things work well though.
[10:49] <skypa> greetings
[10:50] <skypa> I'd like to know how I get the default system settings the ubuntu installer sets into my debootstrapped base system
[10:50] <skypa> :)
[10:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[10:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i check if the swapping is on?
[10:56] <rebelguys6> cat /proc/swaps
[10:57] <rebelguys6> should show all the current swap files
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what should i see?
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't see anything
[10:57] <rebelguys6> really?
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i reenable them?
[10:57] <skypa> swapon -a
[10:57] <rebelguys6> you may have to do swapon /dev/whatever
[10:57] <rebelguys6> oh or just -a, yeah
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have this entry
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in fstab
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> /dev/hda4   none            swap    sw                                  0 0
[10:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it correct?
[10:57] <skypa> well, -a only works if theres sth in the fstab
[10:58] <skypa> this entry is right, Tallia1Kubuntu
[10:58] <rebelguys6> yeah
[10:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> andrea@taglia:/media/storage$ sudo swapon -a
[10:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Password:
[10:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> swapon: /dev/hda4: Invalid argument
[10:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what the grintch is happening?
[10:59] <rebelguys6> did you ever run mkswap on /dev/hda4 Tallia1Kubuntu ?
[10:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i took away the entry from fstab some weeks ago
[10:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> because i wanted the outofmemorymanager to kill the biggest process instead of start swapping
[11:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but what i got instead was an instable system
[11:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> now i upgraded my ram and i decommented the swap line
[11:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was just wondering what i have to do to reenable it
[11:00] <rebelguys6> it should just be to add the line back, as long as the partition is still intact
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> meh
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that's why i didn't expect that error
[11:01] <rebelguys6> yeah...
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> andrea@taglia:/media/storage$ sudo mkswap /dev/hda4
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1044602 kB
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no label, UUID=e6875f0a-c515-4737-bb1b-bbbd7eae17ec
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me retry now :)
[11:01] <rebelguys6> k
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yep it worked
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that's weird :)
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> thanks guys!!!
[11:01] <rebelguys6> hmm yeah
[11:04] <skypa> I think I'm gonna build e17 now
[11:04] <skypa> feel the excitement
[11:04] <rebelguys6> ooh
[11:04] <inuka> hi, can someone help me? i have a problem with my kubuntu desktop, when i move files from my desktop through the terminal, they still stay on my desktop with a padlock on it and if i try to move them from there or delete them, it says that they do not exist!!
[11:04] <inuka> i also tried refreshing my desktop by right clicking but they stay there
[11:04] <tibs01> erm
[11:07] <osh> inuka: Sorry, I can only help with cli-stuff. Don't know much about KDE.
[11:08] <carlos> Boa noite algum brasileiro?
[11:08] <osh> carlos: no hablo espanyol. men jag kan svenska.
[11:09] <osh> carlos: sorry. I don't speak spanish.
[11:10] <carlos> I born in Brazil, I Speak Portuguese, no Spanish.
[11:10] <osh> carlos: terribly sorry. looked like spanish to me. only proves how little I know. :-/
[11:10] <skypa> let's try again: what exactly does the ubuntu installer do to produce the default settings which are _not_ set when debootstrapping a (k)ubuntu system
[11:18] <danial> anyone know what to do if Easy Kubuntu fails to update the repository?
[11:18] <tristanmike> !easyubuntu
[11:18] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[11:19] <danial> will that work w/ Kubuntu?
[11:19] <tristanmike> danial: by easy kubuntu....what do you mean?
[11:20] <tristanmike> right, then I'd say yes, for sure, that channel is the one you wanna check
[11:20] <tristanmike> can I get a link to that danial ? please ?
[11:20] <danial> I mean http://olwin.free.fr/serendipity/, it is easy ubuntu for kubuntu
[11:21] <tristanmike> not found
[11:21] <tristanmike> got it
[11:21] <danial> sorry, lazy fingers
[11:22] <tristanmike> danial: hmm, not so sure, you should check in #easyubuntu to make sure that's the one you want
[11:23] <danial> thanks
[11:24] <anders__> hi
[11:24] <anders__> so, i installed kubuntu, but it forgot to ask me for a root password during install :o
[11:24] <anders__> so, how do i set a root password?
[11:25] <tristanmike> !tell anders__ about root
[11:25] <bkjones> sudo su; passwd root
[11:25] <me2win> !renice
[11:25] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[11:25] <tristanmike> anders__: please read the pm from ubotu first before you run that command
[11:25] <bkjones> I have to say, as much as I like ubuntu, I hate the sudo feature.
[11:26] <tristanmike> I personally love the sudo feature, I'd probably be begging for it if it wasn't there
[11:26] <rebelguys6> yeah its grown on me
[11:26] <rebelguys6> especially when I cheat and use sudo su
[11:26] <OdyX> tristanmike: it what way is it Sooo better ?
[11:27] <bkjones> it's purely a matter of preference I think. I know people like it. I just happen to not be able to stand it.
[11:27] <tristanmike> i didn't say it was "Sooo better" I said I perfered it, anyway, it's how K/Ubuntu decides to do things, and this is the official support channel
[11:27] <OdyX> tristanmike: :D
[11:28] <anders__> isn't ubuntu using udev? why do i have 405896 entries for my cd drive?
[11:28] <osh> what's the most common thing to forget when trying to set a static-ip in "interfaces"? I can ping my local gateway but nothing on the outside.
[11:28] <anders__> (in /etc/fstab)
[11:28] <bkjones> most common thing to forget is the exact ip address.
[11:28] <bkjones> typos!
[11:30] <dark_suic> osh, do you have your gateway set as gateway?
[11:30] <osh> bkjones: I found it. Or rather, I was perplexed to find that a normal /etc/init.d/networking stop && start didn't honor the "gateway" entry that I had forgotten the first time.
[11:31] <osh> thanks for the answers though. I appreciate it. :-)
[11:40] <ryanakca> hmmm... would it be appropriate to add this link to !ask? http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[11:40] <tristanmike> !questions
[11:40] <ubotu> questions is, like, totally, what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading
[11:40] <ryanakca> I don't want to use up the site owner's bandwidth too much... or do I want it to be considered "advertising"... its just a really good site about asking questions...
[11:41] <ryanakca> tristanmike: hmmm... I do believe that this is a help channel, eh? or shall I add #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #xubuntu, #whateverbuntu to ubotu's reply?
[11:43] <ryanakca> tristanmike: sorry for snapping...
[11:43] <idiotbs> hello
[11:44] <tristanmike> snapping? you snapped? wow, I missed that...
[11:45] <ryanakca> LOL
[11:45] <tristanmike> #whateverbuntu is a channel, well, where have I been ?
[11:45] <ryanakca> sorry for loosing patience... there :P
[11:45] <ryanakca> lol
[11:46] <tristanmike> dude I took no offence, and I am also a Canuck
[11:46] <ryanakca> I think they only put #ubuntu because otherwise you'd endup with a list of 50 or so channels
[11:46] <ryanakca> ah
[11:46] <ryanakca> gooodies
[11:49] <shoryu> hi, anyone know what can be the problem when kaffeine gives out a SIGFPE error (signal 8)? thanks
[11:53] <shoryu> i use kaffeine-gstreamer0.8 and can't play mpg files :/
[11:53] <dark_suic> try xime
[11:53] <tristanmike> shoryu: try kaffeine-xine ?
[11:53] <dark_suic> xine*
[11:55] <shoryu> ok thanks
[12:01] <idiotbs> why is gstreamer used by default anyway, when it doesn't play files?
[12:02] <tristanmike> cause it's got a cool name :P