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| lapo | hi | 01:49 |
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| nomed | hi all | 03:26 |
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| nomed | is there anyone that would be happy to play with xubuntu artwork ? | 05:20 |
| nomed | it's not that much work .. | 05:20 |
| nomed | we need just a color scheme and maybe fix the logo with that .. | 05:21 |
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| lapo | nomed: color scheme? | 05:29 |
| nomed | lapo, colors that should be used on xubuntu artwork | 05:29 |
| nomed | en ex | 05:29 |
| lapo | ure, but what you have in mind? | 05:30 |
| lapo | sure | 05:30 |
| lapo | what about using tango color scheme? | 05:30 |
| nomed | lapo, that's what i would | 05:30 |
| nomed | i need to have a not just a color palatte .. | 05:30 |
| nomed | but even "color scheme" | 05:31 |
| nomed | i mean .. | 05:31 |
| nomed | having a list of "official" colors | 05:31 |
| nomed | it'll be easier to fix the gtk theme | 05:31 |
| lapo | isn't it what the color palette is for? | 05:31 |
| nomed | gtkrc file for gtk-engine | 05:31 |
| lapo | on the wiki I read you are targeting grays, right? | 05:32 |
| nomed | lapo, for ex on a gtkrc file i may need to use more then 3 blue | 05:32 |
| nomed | lapo, that's an idea | 05:32 |
| nomed | mainly for gtkrc theme | 05:32 |
| nomed | but the logo should use blue as main color | 05:33 |
| lapo | I suck at writing gtkrcs, but I can help with icons | 05:33 |
| nomed | lapo, i can fix the ubuntu gtkrc | 05:33 |
| lapo | if you target blue as main color the you could just use tango icons | 05:33 |
| nomed | if i had a list of colors HEX i can use | 05:33 |
| nomed | and that fit well togheter | 05:33 |
| nomed | that look nice | 05:34 |
| nomed | lapo, i can't use tango icons | 05:34 |
| nomed | as they'll not be in main | 05:34 |
| nomed | i can use ubuntu icons | 05:34 |
| lapo | nomed: the tango palette colors fits well toghether | 05:34 |
| nomed | lapo, yep | 05:35 |
| nomed | that's true | 05:35 |
| lapo | uhm....I think ubuntu icons inherits tango, are you shure it will not be in main? | 05:35 |
| nomed | lapo yes | 05:35 |
| lapo | bah, that sucks | 05:35 |
| nomed | lapo, the problem of tango color palette | 05:36 |
| nomed | is that i may need more then 3 blue | 05:36 |
| nomed | and more then 3 gray ... | 05:36 |
| nomed | and i'll not need orange or green .. | 05:36 |
| lapo | there are I think 5 grays | 05:37 |
| nomed | lapo, i guess xubuntu icons theme will inherit ubuntu icons theme | 05:37 |
| nomed | that's my idea | 05:38 |
| lapo | ubuntu icon theme is all orange | 05:38 |
| nomed | but with different colors where needed | 05:38 |
| nomed | so xubuntu icons theme will have mainly folders | 05:38 |
| lapo | nomed: if you do not want orange I fear you'll need a lot of icons, not only the folders | 05:39 |
| lapo | nomed: there aren't any "source" files for dapper human icons so recoloring them is a lot of work | 05:40 |
| lapo | can't you just push tango in main? | 05:40 |
| nomed | i asked to canonical people .. and they were not really happy | 05:41 |
| nomed | i'll have a meeting in two days ... | 05:41 |
| lapo | can I ask you why? | 05:41 |
| nomed | lapo, the answer was .. | 05:41 |
| nomed | ubuntu will use its own icon theme | 05:41 |
| lapo | If you can put tango in main, I'll do my best to do all the icons you may need | 05:42 |
| lapo | btw I'm not going to do icons which are not following tango guidelines | 05:42 |
| nomed | lapo, yep .. | 05:44 |
| nomed | i really would have tango in main .. | 05:44 |
| nomed | but i guess it depends on dholbach | 05:45 |
| nomed | lapo, you could for ex play with this :) | 05:45 |
| nomed | http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html | 05:45 |
| lapo | your logo is problematic as a icon | 05:46 |
| nomed | i know the mouse is too small | 05:47 |
| nomed | the problem here is to make it different as much as possible from kubuntu one | 05:48 |
| lapo | blue is the color of kubuntu, why don't you taret something else? | 05:48 |
| lapo | target even | 05:48 |
| nomed | lapo, we do not have artists working on that | 05:48 |
| nomed | that was an old proposed logo | 05:48 |
| lapo | you may have one at least :-) | 05:48 |
| nomed | andreasen proposed himself .. but it looks like he's busy in this period | 05:49 |
| nomed | lapo, we really need something ready soon | 05:49 |
| nomed | at least for the doc writers | 05:49 |
| lapo | if tango goes in I'll find the time :-) | 05:49 |
| nomed | ehehe | 05:49 |
| nomed | lapo, we do not need just icons ... would you fix even the logo ? | 05:51 |
| lapo | sure | 05:51 |
| nomed | http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/svg/ | 05:52 |
| nomed | once the logo has been done | 05:52 |
| nomed | i would make a list of the colors used within the ubuntu gtkrc | 05:53 |
| nomed | and find xubuntu suitable ones ... | 05:53 |
| nomed | ubuntu #jhjhjh ---> xubuntu ---> #lklklk | 05:53 |
| lapo | tango in, I can do it, tango out, sorry nope | 05:58 |
| lapo | that's my condition, it's not that I don't want to do it, but I'm doing tango stuff all the time so I want to continue in the tango way | 06:00 |
| lapo | and I cannot bear the mishmash that can came out with tango and non tango stuff | 06:00 |
| nomed | lapo, i understand | 06:00 |
| nomed | my idea was to use tango icons as xubuntu icons theme | 06:01 |
| nomed | i'm even patching xfce stuff to use tango icon-utils-naming stuff | 06:02 |
| lapo | if you're not happy with something in tango we can try to fix it upstream or privide a xubuntu theme with the different icons | 06:02 |
| nomed | so if not for dapper it'll be for dapper +1 .. | 06:02 |
| nomed | but that's definitively my direction | 06:02 |
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| lapo | nomed: if you want a similar look to the human stuff, I can for example recolor the hardware icons in orango tango to fit xubuntu palette | 06:04 |
| andreasn | hey there | 06:04 |
| lapo | ciao andreasn | 06:04 |
| nomed | lapo, i try to figure out how we can use tango icons | 06:05 |
| nomed | and if it'll be possible to have them in main | 06:05 |
| lapo | cool | 06:05 |
| nomed | xubuntu will need an icon theme | 06:05 |
| nomed | and tango icons are more complete that Rodent | 06:06 |
| lapo | yep, tango is a easy way to have one quickly | 06:06 |
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| nomed | that is the xfce default | 06:06 |
| nomed | andreasn, at the moment that's not the probelm :) | 06:07 |
| lapo | would be cool to have tango upstream in xfce | 06:07 |
| nomed | lapo, at the moment all xfce devel are using tango | 06:08 |
| lapo | if you'll go tango, as I said I'll help you with everything you may need, I hope andreasn, time permitting, to do the same | 06:08 |
| andreasn | is there a xubuntu-live cd anywhere? I've been a bit eager to try xfce out for quite a while | 06:08 |
| nomed | andreasn, not yet | 06:09 |
| nomed | waitin for xfce pkges in main | 06:09 |
| nomed | there will be soon | 06:09 |
| nomed | really soon | 06:09 |
| andreasn | perhaps I can just install it in dapper | 06:09 |
| lapo | cool | 06:09 |
| nomed | xfce has a really cool file manager | 06:11 |
| lapo | andreasn: xfce is getting quite nice, the new fm is ubercool | 06:11 |
| nomed | and it's really fast mainly | 06:11 |
| lapo | nomed: cazzo sei italiano e io son qui che mi sforzo di parlare inglese :-) | 06:13 |
| nomed | ehehe | 06:13 |
| nomed | gia' | 06:14 |
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| nomed | lapo, suposing we'll have tango and we can inherit it ... | 06:47 |
| nomed | will you fix missing icons eventually ? | 06:48 |
| lapo | sure | 06:48 |
| nomed | could u confirm this ? | 06:48 |
| lapo | yes, giurin giuretta :-) | 06:48 |
| nomed | perfect .. that's an important point | 06:48 |
| nomed | ehehe | 06:48 |
| lapo | I cannot promise I can fix all the missing, I can say I'll do my best | 06:49 |
| nomed | lapo, yep | 06:49 |
| lapo | (depends a lot on the number of missing icons) | 06:49 |
| nomed | but there are really few :) | 06:49 |
| lapo | do you know which are the missing ones? | 06:49 |
| nomed | most of them will need just a link to existing one | 06:49 |
| lapo | I mean, do you know at the moment which are the missing ones? | 06:50 |
| nomed | http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:XfceTheme | 06:50 |
| lapo | since you're at patching, would be better to patch the applications | 06:50 |
| nomed | lapo, i'm not an xfce upstreamer | 06:51 |
| nomed | it'll need time to patch xfce directly | 06:51 |
| nomed | it'll be meybe possible for dapper +1 | 06:52 |
| nomed | maybe | 06:52 |
| lapo | you could patch icon-naming-utils tho | 06:52 |
| lapo | I think dobey could probably accept patches for xfce | 06:55 |
| nomed | lapo, yep | 06:55 |
| nomed | that's my idea | 06:56 |
| lapo | cool | 06:56 |
| nomed | i asked already to dobey | 06:56 |
| nomed | and he was fine with that | 06:56 |
| lapo | the missing icons are not that much, I can easily do those one, you'll have to explain me the meaning of most of them tho :-) | 06:57 |
| nomed | sure | 06:57 |
| nomed | lapo, it looks like to inherit tango in xubuntu theme will depend on the missing or broken icons | 07:01 |
| nomed | i mean if we can cover all the rodent icons ... there shouldn't be problems on using it | 07:01 |
| lapo | what that means? | 07:01 |
| nomed | most of rodent icons are already in tango | 07:02 |
| nomed | or vice versa | 07:02 |
| lapo | if the missing one are what you showed me, we can do it | 07:02 |
| lapo | ones | 07:02 |
| lapo | what you mean with broken? | 07:02 |
| andreasn | nomed: I also have a Icon=stock_terminal-colors for you | 07:03 |
| andreasn | only in scalable yet though | 07:03 |
| nomed | that exists in tango (the meaning) but that has a different name | 07:03 |
| nomed | andreasn, i guess it should be a little step to convert all those icons in pngs | 07:03 |
| nomed | and in different sizes | 07:04 |
| lapo | no problem with pngs | 07:04 |
| andreasn | what svg library does xfce use? librsvg? | 07:04 |
| lapo | perhaps there could be problems with target sizes | 07:05 |
| lapo | if you don't need anything less then 48x48 we are ok, if you need 32x32 we are pretty fscked up | 07:05 |
| nomed | lapo, menu uses 24 | 07:05 |
| lapo | no probs, tango have 22x22 | 07:06 |
| nomed | that should be the smaller | 07:06 |
| lapo | tango makefiles alredy produces 24x24 icons adding 1px padding to 22x22 | 07:06 |
| lapo | thta's not really noticiable | 07:07 |
| lapo | the sizes tango cover well are 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and up | 07:07 |
| nomed | lapo, yep | 07:07 |
| nomed | that's all xfce needs | 07:08 |
| lapo | so we're cool :-) | 07:08 |
| andreasn | 24x24 is only via icon-naming-utils, right? | 07:08 |
| lapo | andreasn: nope, icon naming-utils don't know anything about mangling pngs or converting svgs to png | 07:08 |
| lapo | andreasn: the makefiles do the magic, easy things btw | 07:09 |
| andreasn | ok, nice | 07:09 |
| lapo | nomed: do you want playing tango (nice) or tangoified ubuntu stuff (silly) for hardware? :-) | 07:12 |
| nomed | lapo, i like more tango ones | 07:13 |
| lapo | cool | 07:13 |
| nomed | but as i told it doesn't depend just on me | 07:13 |
| lapo | ok, let me know what you all decide and I'll do the leg work | 07:13 |
| nomed | k | 07:14 |
| lapo | andreasn: I hope you can find the time to help btw :-) | 07:14 |
| nomed | i hope to know something soon | 07:14 |
| andreasn | lapo: me too | 07:14 |
| lapo | nomed: calamandrei at gmail | 07:14 |
| andreasn | but university studies are calming down a bit no, so that shouldn't be a problem | 07:15 |
| lapo | nomed: where you came from? | 07:15 |
| lapo | andreasn: cool | 07:15 |
| nomed | genova | 07:15 |
| lapo | we are not that distant, perhaps we can talk about it behind a beer | 07:15 |
| nomed | where are you from ? | 07:16 |
| lapo | pescia, near lucca | 07:16 |
| nomed | lapo, cool .. so that's possible :) | 07:17 |
| lapo | I'll be in genova one of the next sundays, my gf decided that I wanted to see the acquario :-) | 07:17 |
| nomed | i'm somtime in PISA | 07:17 |
| nomed | cool :) | 07:17 |
| lapo | ugh...ok, that's not your fault | 07:17 |
| nomed | LOL | 07:17 |
| lapo | you're not from pisa, RIGHT?! :-) | 07:18 |
| nomed | no no genoa | 07:18 |
| lapo | uhm...ok, I was a bit scared for a moment :-) | 07:19 |
| lapo | ma bada te se devo sparare bischerate su pisa in inglese! :-) | 07:19 |
| nomed | :D | 07:19 |
| lapo | ciao | 07:48 |
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