[01:49] <lapo> hi
[03:26] <nomed> hi all
[05:20] <nomed> is there anyone that would be happy to play with xubuntu artwork ?
[05:20] <nomed> it's not that much work ..
[05:21] <nomed> we need just a color scheme and maybe fix the logo with that ..
[05:29] <lapo> nomed: color scheme?
[05:29] <nomed> lapo, colors that should be used on xubuntu artwork
[05:29] <nomed> en ex
[05:30] <lapo> ure, but what you have in mind?
[05:30] <lapo> sure
[05:30] <lapo> what about using tango color scheme?
[05:30] <nomed> lapo, that's what i would
[05:30] <nomed> i need to have a not just a color palatte ..
[05:31] <nomed> but even "color scheme"
[05:31] <nomed> i mean ..
[05:31] <nomed> having a list of "official" colors
[05:31] <nomed> it'll be easier to fix the gtk theme
[05:31] <lapo> isn't it what the color palette is for?
[05:31] <nomed> gtkrc file for gtk-engine
[05:32] <lapo> on the wiki I read you are targeting grays, right?
[05:32] <nomed> lapo, for ex on a gtkrc file i may need to use more then 3 blue
[05:32] <nomed> lapo, that's an idea
[05:32] <nomed> mainly for gtkrc theme
[05:33] <nomed> but the logo should use blue as main color
[05:33] <lapo> I suck at writing gtkrcs, but I can help with icons
[05:33] <nomed> lapo, i can fix the ubuntu gtkrc
[05:33] <lapo> if you target blue as main color the you could just use tango icons
[05:33] <nomed> if i had a list of colors HEX i can use
[05:33] <nomed> and that fit well togheter
[05:34] <nomed> that look nice
[05:34] <nomed> lapo, i can't use tango icons
[05:34] <nomed> as they'll not be in main
[05:34] <nomed> i can use ubuntu icons
[05:34] <lapo> nomed: the tango palette colors fits well toghether
[05:35] <nomed> lapo, yep
[05:35] <nomed> that's true
[05:35] <lapo> uhm....I think ubuntu icons inherits tango, are you shure it will not be in main?
[05:35] <nomed> lapo yes
[05:35] <lapo> bah, that sucks
[05:36] <nomed> lapo, the problem of tango color palette
[05:36] <nomed> is that i may need more then 3 blue
[05:36] <nomed> and more then 3 gray ...
[05:36] <nomed> and i'll not need orange or green ..
[05:37] <lapo> there are I think 5 grays
[05:37] <nomed> lapo, i guess xubuntu icons theme will inherit ubuntu icons theme
[05:38] <nomed> that's my idea
[05:38] <lapo> ubuntu icon theme is all orange
[05:38] <nomed> but with different colors where needed
[05:38] <nomed> so xubuntu icons theme will have mainly folders
[05:39] <lapo> nomed: if you do not want orange I fear you'll need a lot of icons, not only the folders
[05:40] <lapo> nomed: there aren't any "source" files for dapper human icons so recoloring them is a lot of work
[05:40] <lapo> can't you just push tango in main?
[05:41] <nomed> i asked to canonical people .. and they were not really happy
[05:41] <nomed> i'll have a meeting in two days ...
[05:41] <lapo> can I ask you why?
[05:41] <nomed> lapo, the answer was ..
[05:41] <nomed> ubuntu will use its own icon theme
[05:42] <lapo> If you can put tango in main, I'll do my best to do all the icons you may need
[05:42] <lapo> btw I'm not going to do icons which are not following tango guidelines
[05:44] <nomed> lapo, yep ..
[05:44] <nomed> i really would have tango in main ..
[05:45] <nomed> but i guess it depends on dholbach
[05:45] <nomed> lapo, you could for ex play with this :)
[05:45] <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html
[05:46] <lapo> your logo is problematic as a icon
[05:47] <nomed> i know the mouse is too small
[05:48] <nomed> the problem here is to make it different as much as possible from kubuntu one
[05:48] <lapo> blue is the color of kubuntu, why don't you taret something else?
[05:48] <lapo> target even
[05:48] <nomed> lapo, we do not have artists working on that
[05:48] <nomed> that was an old proposed logo
[05:48] <lapo> you may have one at least :-)
[05:49] <nomed> andreasen proposed himself .. but it looks like he's busy in this period
[05:49] <nomed> lapo, we really need something ready soon
[05:49] <nomed> at least for the doc writers
[05:49] <lapo> if tango goes in I'll find the time :-)
[05:49] <nomed> ehehe
[05:51] <nomed> lapo, we do not need just icons ... would you fix even the logo ?
[05:51] <lapo> sure
[05:52] <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/svg/
[05:52] <nomed> once the logo has been done
[05:53] <nomed> i would make a list of the colors used within the ubuntu gtkrc
[05:53] <nomed> and find xubuntu suitable ones ...
[05:53] <nomed> ubuntu #jhjhjh ---> xubuntu ---> #lklklk
[05:58] <lapo> tango in, I can do it, tango out, sorry nope
[06:00] <lapo> that's my condition, it's not that I don't want to do it, but I'm doing tango stuff all the time so I want to continue in the tango way
[06:00] <lapo> and I cannot bear the mishmash that can came out with tango and non tango stuff
[06:00] <nomed> lapo, i understand
[06:01] <nomed> my idea was to use tango icons as xubuntu icons theme
[06:02] <nomed> i'm even patching xfce stuff to use tango icon-utils-naming stuff
[06:02] <lapo> if you're not happy with something in tango we can try to fix it upstream or privide a xubuntu theme with the different icons
[06:02] <nomed> so if not for dapper it'll be for dapper +1 ..
[06:02] <nomed> but that's definitively my direction
[06:04] <lapo> nomed: if you want a similar look to the human stuff, I can for example recolor the hardware icons in orango tango to fit xubuntu palette
[06:04] <andreasn> hey there
[06:04] <lapo> ciao andreasn
[06:05] <nomed> lapo, i try to figure out how we can use tango icons
[06:05] <nomed> and if it'll be possible to have them in main
[06:05] <lapo> cool
[06:05] <nomed> xubuntu will need an icon theme
[06:06] <nomed> and tango icons are more complete that Rodent
[06:06] <lapo> yep, tango is a easy way to have one quickly
[06:06] <nomed> that is the xfce default
[06:07] <nomed> andreasn, at the moment that's not the probelm :)
[06:07] <lapo> would be cool to have tango upstream in xfce
[06:08] <nomed> lapo, at the moment all xfce devel are using tango
[06:08] <lapo> if you'll go tango, as I said I'll help you with everything you may need, I hope andreasn, time permitting, to do the same
[06:08] <andreasn> is there a xubuntu-live cd anywhere? I've been a bit eager to try xfce out for quite a while
[06:09] <nomed> andreasn, not yet
[06:09] <nomed> waitin for xfce pkges in main
[06:09] <nomed> there will be soon
[06:09] <nomed> really soon
[06:09] <andreasn> perhaps I can just install it in dapper
[06:09] <lapo> cool
[06:11] <nomed> xfce has a really cool file manager
[06:11] <lapo> andreasn: xfce is getting quite nice, the new fm is ubercool
[06:11] <nomed> and it's really fast mainly
[06:13] <lapo> nomed: cazzo sei italiano e io son qui che mi sforzo di parlare inglese :-)
[06:13] <nomed> ehehe
[06:14] <nomed> gia'
[06:47] <nomed> lapo, suposing we'll have tango and we can inherit it ...
[06:48] <nomed> will you fix missing icons eventually ?
[06:48] <lapo> sure
[06:48] <nomed> could u confirm this ?
[06:48] <lapo> yes, giurin giuretta :-)
[06:48] <nomed> perfect .. that's an important point
[06:48] <nomed> ehehe
[06:49] <lapo> I cannot promise I can fix all the missing, I can say I'll do my best
[06:49] <nomed> lapo, yep
[06:49] <lapo> (depends a lot on the number of missing icons)
[06:49] <nomed> but there are really few :)
[06:49] <lapo> do you know which are the missing ones?
[06:49] <nomed> most of them will need just a link to existing one
[06:50] <lapo> I mean, do you know at the moment which are the missing ones?
[06:50] <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:XfceTheme
[06:50] <lapo> since you're at patching, would be better to patch the applications
[06:51] <nomed> lapo, i'm not an xfce upstreamer
[06:51] <nomed> it'll need time to patch xfce directly
[06:52] <nomed> it'll be meybe possible for dapper +1
[06:52] <nomed> maybe
[06:52] <lapo> you could patch icon-naming-utils tho
[06:55] <lapo> I think dobey could probably accept patches for xfce
[06:55] <nomed> lapo, yep
[06:56] <nomed> that's my idea
[06:56] <lapo> cool
[06:56] <nomed> i asked already to dobey
[06:56] <nomed> and he was fine with that
[06:57] <lapo> the missing icons are not that much, I can easily do those one, you'll have to explain me the meaning of most of them tho :-)
[06:57] <nomed> sure
[07:01] <nomed> lapo, it looks like to inherit tango in xubuntu theme will depend on the missing or broken icons
[07:01] <nomed> i mean if we can cover all the rodent icons ... there shouldn't be problems on using it
[07:01] <lapo> what that means?
[07:02] <nomed> most of rodent icons are already in tango
[07:02] <nomed> or vice versa
[07:02] <lapo> if the missing one are what you showed me, we can do it
[07:02] <lapo> ones
[07:02] <lapo> what you mean with broken?
[07:03] <andreasn> nomed: I also have a Icon=stock_terminal-colors for you
[07:03] <andreasn> only in scalable yet though
[07:03] <nomed> that exists in tango (the meaning) but that has a different name
[07:03] <nomed> andreasn, i guess it should be a little step to convert all those icons in pngs
[07:04] <nomed> and in different sizes
[07:04] <lapo> no problem with pngs
[07:04] <andreasn> what svg library does xfce use? librsvg?
[07:05] <lapo> perhaps there could be problems with target sizes
[07:05] <lapo> if you don't need anything less then 48x48 we are ok, if you need 32x32 we are pretty fscked up
[07:05] <nomed> lapo, menu uses 24
[07:06] <lapo> no probs, tango have 22x22
[07:06] <nomed> that should be the smaller 
[07:06] <lapo> tango makefiles alredy produces 24x24 icons adding 1px padding to 22x22
[07:07] <lapo> thta's not really noticiable
[07:07] <lapo> the sizes tango cover well are 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and up
[07:07] <nomed> lapo, yep
[07:08] <nomed> that's all xfce needs
[07:08] <lapo> so we're cool :-)
[07:08] <andreasn> 24x24 is only via icon-naming-utils, right?
[07:08] <lapo> andreasn: nope, icon naming-utils don't know anything about mangling pngs or converting svgs to png
[07:09] <lapo> andreasn: the makefiles do the magic, easy things btw
[07:09] <andreasn> ok, nice
[07:12] <lapo> nomed: do you want playing tango (nice) or tangoified ubuntu stuff (silly) for hardware? :-)
[07:13] <nomed> lapo, i like more tango ones
[07:13] <lapo> cool
[07:13] <nomed> but as i told it doesn't depend just on me
[07:13] <lapo> ok, let me know what you all  decide and I'll do the leg work
[07:14] <nomed> k
[07:14] <lapo> andreasn: I hope you can find the time to help btw :-)
[07:14] <nomed> i hope to know something soon
[07:14] <andreasn> lapo: me too
[07:14] <lapo> nomed: calamandrei at gmail
[07:15] <andreasn> but university studies are calming down a bit no, so that shouldn't be a problem
[07:15] <lapo> nomed: where you came from?
[07:15] <lapo> andreasn: cool
[07:15] <nomed> genova
[07:15] <lapo> we are not that distant, perhaps we can talk about it behind a beer
[07:16] <nomed> where are you from ?
[07:16] <lapo> pescia, near lucca
[07:17] <nomed> lapo, cool .. so that's possible :)
[07:17] <lapo> I'll be in genova one of the next sundays, my gf decided that I wanted to see the acquario :-)
[07:17] <nomed> i'm somtime in PISA
[07:17] <nomed> cool :)
[07:17] <lapo> ugh...ok, that's not your fault
[07:17] <nomed> LOL
[07:18] <lapo> you're not from pisa, RIGHT?! :-)
[07:18] <nomed> no no genoa
[07:19] <lapo> uhm...ok, I was a bit scared for a moment :-)
[07:19] <lapo> ma bada te se devo sparare bischerate su pisa in inglese! :-)
[07:19] <nomed> :D
[07:48] <lapo> ciao