=== artnay [i=artnay@hideout.unk.fi] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo_ [n=bat@host108-30.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=bat@host166-243.pool8546.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:49] hi === nomed [n=nomed@host62-124.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:26] hi all === jimmac [n=jimmac@dsl-tn-1-249.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:20] is there anyone that would be happy to play with xubuntu artwork ? [05:20] it's not that much work .. [05:21] we need just a color scheme and maybe fix the logo with that .. === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:29] nomed: color scheme? [05:29] lapo, colors that should be used on xubuntu artwork [05:29] en ex [05:30] ure, but what you have in mind? [05:30] sure [05:30] what about using tango color scheme? [05:30] lapo, that's what i would [05:30] i need to have a not just a color palatte .. [05:31] but even "color scheme" [05:31] i mean .. [05:31] having a list of "official" colors [05:31] it'll be easier to fix the gtk theme [05:31] isn't it what the color palette is for? [05:31] gtkrc file for gtk-engine [05:32] on the wiki I read you are targeting grays, right? [05:32] lapo, for ex on a gtkrc file i may need to use more then 3 blue [05:32] lapo, that's an idea [05:32] mainly for gtkrc theme [05:33] but the logo should use blue as main color [05:33] I suck at writing gtkrcs, but I can help with icons [05:33] lapo, i can fix the ubuntu gtkrc [05:33] if you target blue as main color the you could just use tango icons [05:33] if i had a list of colors HEX i can use [05:33] and that fit well togheter [05:34] that look nice [05:34] lapo, i can't use tango icons [05:34] as they'll not be in main [05:34] i can use ubuntu icons [05:34] nomed: the tango palette colors fits well toghether [05:35] lapo, yep [05:35] that's true [05:35] uhm....I think ubuntu icons inherits tango, are you shure it will not be in main? [05:35] lapo yes [05:35] bah, that sucks [05:36] lapo, the problem of tango color palette [05:36] is that i may need more then 3 blue [05:36] and more then 3 gray ... [05:36] and i'll not need orange or green .. [05:37] there are I think 5 grays [05:37] lapo, i guess xubuntu icons theme will inherit ubuntu icons theme [05:38] that's my idea [05:38] ubuntu icon theme is all orange [05:38] but with different colors where needed [05:38] so xubuntu icons theme will have mainly folders [05:39] nomed: if you do not want orange I fear you'll need a lot of icons, not only the folders [05:40] nomed: there aren't any "source" files for dapper human icons so recoloring them is a lot of work [05:40] can't you just push tango in main? [05:41] i asked to canonical people .. and they were not really happy [05:41] i'll have a meeting in two days ... [05:41] can I ask you why? [05:41] lapo, the answer was .. [05:41] ubuntu will use its own icon theme [05:42] If you can put tango in main, I'll do my best to do all the icons you may need [05:42] btw I'm not going to do icons which are not following tango guidelines [05:44] lapo, yep .. [05:44] i really would have tango in main .. [05:45] but i guess it depends on dholbach [05:45] lapo, you could for ex play with this :) [05:45] http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html [05:46] your logo is problematic as a icon [05:47] i know the mouse is too small [05:48] the problem here is to make it different as much as possible from kubuntu one [05:48] blue is the color of kubuntu, why don't you taret something else? [05:48] target even [05:48] lapo, we do not have artists working on that [05:48] that was an old proposed logo [05:48] you may have one at least :-) [05:49] andreasen proposed himself .. but it looks like he's busy in this period [05:49] lapo, we really need something ready soon [05:49] at least for the doc writers [05:49] if tango goes in I'll find the time :-) [05:49] ehehe [05:51] lapo, we do not need just icons ... would you fix even the logo ? [05:51] sure [05:52] http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/svg/ [05:52] once the logo has been done [05:53] i would make a list of the colors used within the ubuntu gtkrc [05:53] and find xubuntu suitable ones ... [05:53] ubuntu #jhjhjh ---> xubuntu ---> #lklklk [05:58] tango in, I can do it, tango out, sorry nope [06:00] that's my condition, it's not that I don't want to do it, but I'm doing tango stuff all the time so I want to continue in the tango way [06:00] and I cannot bear the mishmash that can came out with tango and non tango stuff [06:00] lapo, i understand [06:01] my idea was to use tango icons as xubuntu icons theme [06:02] i'm even patching xfce stuff to use tango icon-utils-naming stuff [06:02] if you're not happy with something in tango we can try to fix it upstream or privide a xubuntu theme with the different icons [06:02] so if not for dapper it'll be for dapper +1 .. [06:02] but that's definitively my direction === andreasn [n=andreas@h108n3fls33o1104.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:04] nomed: if you want a similar look to the human stuff, I can for example recolor the hardware icons in orango tango to fit xubuntu palette [06:04] hey there [06:04] ciao andreasn [06:05] lapo, i try to figure out how we can use tango icons [06:05] and if it'll be possible to have them in main [06:05] cool [06:05] xubuntu will need an icon theme [06:06] and tango icons are more complete that Rodent [06:06] yep, tango is a easy way to have one quickly === andreasn feels a bit embarrased, as he has promised nomed some new xfce-icons for quite a while now [06:06] that is the xfce default [06:07] andreasn, at the moment that's not the probelm :) [06:07] would be cool to have tango upstream in xfce [06:08] lapo, at the moment all xfce devel are using tango [06:08] if you'll go tango, as I said I'll help you with everything you may need, I hope andreasn, time permitting, to do the same [06:08] is there a xubuntu-live cd anywhere? I've been a bit eager to try xfce out for quite a while [06:09] andreasn, not yet [06:09] waitin for xfce pkges in main [06:09] there will be soon [06:09] really soon [06:09] perhaps I can just install it in dapper [06:09] cool [06:11] xfce has a really cool file manager [06:11] andreasn: xfce is getting quite nice, the new fm is ubercool [06:11] and it's really fast mainly [06:13] nomed: cazzo sei italiano e io son qui che mi sforzo di parlare inglese :-) [06:13] ehehe [06:14] gia' === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:47] lapo, suposing we'll have tango and we can inherit it ... [06:48] will you fix missing icons eventually ? [06:48] sure [06:48] could u confirm this ? [06:48] yes, giurin giuretta :-) [06:48] perfect .. that's an important point [06:48] ehehe [06:49] I cannot promise I can fix all the missing, I can say I'll do my best [06:49] lapo, yep [06:49] (depends a lot on the number of missing icons) [06:49] but there are really few :) [06:49] do you know which are the missing ones? [06:49] most of them will need just a link to existing one [06:50] I mean, do you know at the moment which are the missing ones? [06:50] http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:XfceTheme [06:50] since you're at patching, would be better to patch the applications [06:51] lapo, i'm not an xfce upstreamer [06:51] it'll need time to patch xfce directly [06:52] it'll be meybe possible for dapper +1 [06:52] maybe [06:52] you could patch icon-naming-utils tho [06:55] I think dobey could probably accept patches for xfce [06:55] lapo, yep [06:56] that's my idea [06:56] cool [06:56] i asked already to dobey [06:56] and he was fine with that [06:57] the missing icons are not that much, I can easily do those one, you'll have to explain me the meaning of most of them tho :-) [06:57] sure [07:01] lapo, it looks like to inherit tango in xubuntu theme will depend on the missing or broken icons [07:01] i mean if we can cover all the rodent icons ... there shouldn't be problems on using it [07:01] what that means? [07:02] most of rodent icons are already in tango [07:02] or vice versa [07:02] if the missing one are what you showed me, we can do it [07:02] ones [07:02] what you mean with broken? [07:03] nomed: I also have a Icon=stock_terminal-colors for you [07:03] only in scalable yet though [07:03] that exists in tango (the meaning) but that has a different name [07:03] andreasn, i guess it should be a little step to convert all those icons in pngs [07:04] and in different sizes [07:04] no problem with pngs [07:04] what svg library does xfce use? librsvg? [07:05] perhaps there could be problems with target sizes [07:05] if you don't need anything less then 48x48 we are ok, if you need 32x32 we are pretty fscked up [07:05] lapo, menu uses 24 [07:06] no probs, tango have 22x22 [07:06] that should be the smaller [07:06] tango makefiles alredy produces 24x24 icons adding 1px padding to 22x22 [07:07] thta's not really noticiable [07:07] the sizes tango cover well are 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and up [07:07] lapo, yep [07:08] that's all xfce needs [07:08] so we're cool :-) [07:08] 24x24 is only via icon-naming-utils, right? [07:08] andreasn: nope, icon naming-utils don't know anything about mangling pngs or converting svgs to png [07:09] andreasn: the makefiles do the magic, easy things btw [07:09] ok, nice [07:12] nomed: do you want playing tango (nice) or tangoified ubuntu stuff (silly) for hardware? :-) [07:13] lapo, i like more tango ones [07:13] cool [07:13] but as i told it doesn't depend just on me [07:13] ok, let me know what you all decide and I'll do the leg work [07:14] k [07:14] andreasn: I hope you can find the time to help btw :-) [07:14] i hope to know something soon [07:14] lapo: me too [07:14] nomed: calamandrei at gmail [07:15] but university studies are calming down a bit no, so that shouldn't be a problem [07:15] nomed: where you came from? [07:15] andreasn: cool [07:15] genova [07:15] we are not that distant, perhaps we can talk about it behind a beer [07:16] where are you from ? [07:16] pescia, near lucca [07:17] lapo, cool .. so that's possible :) [07:17] I'll be in genova one of the next sundays, my gf decided that I wanted to see the acquario :-) [07:17] i'm somtime in PISA [07:17] cool :) [07:17] ugh...ok, that's not your fault [07:17] LOL [07:18] you're not from pisa, RIGHT?! :-) [07:18] no no genoa [07:19] uhm...ok, I was a bit scared for a moment :-) [07:19] ma bada te se devo sparare bischerate su pisa in inglese! :-) [07:19] :D [07:48] ciao === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182057138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182049180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork