[12:03] we will not keep 0.7 forever, so since the package is done......... [12:04] Tonio_: what's good in 0.8? [12:04] I really the playlist window, with preview etc....... [12:04] I'd rather not have 0.8 in until kmplayer is in since 0.8 breaks bbc.co.uk [12:04] it is very stable (as long as not embedded in konq) [12:04] Riddell: yes I understand that [12:04] but do I keep the package somewhere in case of ? [12:05] Tonio_: sure [12:05] Riddell: and finally, after that audio cd section is quite nice :) [12:06] dapper will bring 2 media players or kaffeine will be dropped? [12:06] amarok doesn't manage audio cds, so kaffeine could be the perfect amarok complement [12:06] and completly replacing kscd [12:06] Tonio_: amarok 1.4 does... [12:06] kmon: directly ? [12:07] Tonio_: it has audio cd playback with xine engine [12:07] I mean, did they stop that "dynamic ripping + reading" thing ? [12:07] that's the way it did before..... [12:07] mmmm [12:07] I don't know... [12:07] with previous amarok I couldn't play audio cd's [12:07] now I can [12:08] that's all I can say [12:08] Tonio_: wil we drop KsCD - it does not work for me out of the box anyway... [12:10] Lure: well kaffeine is a very nice audiocd player in version 0.8 [12:10] with ripping functions etc.....; [12:10] Tonio_: I'm using Ridell's package for amarok, so I you can, give it a try. [12:10] kmon: I'm trying :), will let you know :) [12:10] but as far as I know, amarok doesn't perform "direct cd reading" [12:10] Tonio_: first page looks ugly [12:11] Lure: yes, but while testing it, I discovered interesting features, like the playlist [12:11] Tonio_: My only noticeable bug is that you can't disable the splash screen. [12:11] it is very very nice [12:11] kmon: what package ? [12:12] Lure: did you play with latest kaffeine ? [12:12] I mean, tested everything ? [12:12] Tonio_: I do not have splash screen - just the window is too small for buttons [12:12] Tonio_: just installed 0.8 [12:12] Tonio_: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2 dapper main [12:12] will test tommorow (need to get some sleep now) [12:12] kmon: okay ;) [12:12] so this version plays audiocds ? interesting ;) [12:13] Lure: I was very surprised, and didn't like that kaffeine when I tried first, but now, I must sayit is charming :) [12:13] except the konqueror plugin, ugly as always [12:13] yes, it looks nice... major improvement [12:13] Tonio_: from the changelog of 1.4beta1: The xine engine now has gapless playback (Needs xine-lib 1.1.1) and audio CD support with CDDB lookups [12:13] Lure: yes [12:14] kmon: great :) didn't knew that ;) [12:14] amarok rocks! [12:14] Lure: and new kaffeine UI ressembles to amarok [12:14] whichis a good thing [12:14] yes === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] evening [12:14] hey kwwii :) [12:14] hi all [12:14] With the delay maybe amarok 1.4 is released in time for an uvf? [12:15] personally, I would include 0.8 and get rid of KsCD and KAudioCreator [12:15] kwwii: hi [12:15] Lure: +1 [12:15] Even k3b can rip cd's doesn't it? [12:15] Riddell: pinheiro wants to know how to get kubuntu CDs for his LUG in port., could you help him? [12:15] can kaffeine to CD ripping? [12:16] kmon: I think KAudioCreator was left due to simplicity [12:16] kwwii: I don't have any left, tackat has my last ones [12:16] Riddell: it looks like [12:16] hehe, damn tackat [12:16] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2216 [12:16] Riddell: raphink nuked, now it is the good version ;) [12:16] Riddell: latest kaffeine can yes [12:16] kwwii: raphink has new walpaper for you ;-) [12:17] Riddell: rip & encode [12:17] hehe [12:17] ;-) [12:17] Tonio_: cool [12:17] Riddell: but requires to be built with lame for mp3 support..... to only ogg available for my package version of course [12:18] I don't think it only requires lame to be installed, but it requires to be built with..... [12:18] let me try :) [12:18] kwwii: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg - can you fix it for 1920x1200? ;-) [12:19] I still have to make the bigger versions of the pic first [12:20] raphink: when I looked at it now again, looks like ad for fishbone ;-) [12:21] lol [12:22] yeah looks a bit like a fish [12:22] lol [12:22] as I'm telling kwwii [12:22] lol [12:22] this thingy gave me the idea tonight [12:22] of having a changing wallpaper [12:22] a wallpaper that would be changed once a week or so [12:22] with a bar [12:22] telling how many weeks are left before Dapper release [12:23] I love this idea, btw :-) although if things get pushed back that might get nasty so perhaps only the very last weeks [12:23] raphink: that's actually quite close to what Mark Shuttleworth has been suggesting for ubuntu [12:23] kwwii: I really doubt they get pushed back once more [12:23] Riddell: really? [12:23] Riddell: verifying the cognosphere theory once more ? ;) [12:24] hehe [12:24] raphink: he wanted the devel version to have different backgrounds for different things that have happened [12:24] yes I think that's nice [12:24] there could be some background that would have wholes for goals [12:24] or goals represented by images on the background [12:24] that would be either empty or greyed in the beginning [12:25] then come to life as the distro is being developped and goals are being reached [12:25] Riddell: libogg-dev is in main, so I will repackage kaffeine with ogg encoding capability [12:25] would be stupid not to do it :) [12:25] yep [12:25] Tonio_: fabo is doing kaffeine for debian these days, would be a good idea to keep him informed of such things :) [12:25] Tonio_: is it allowed in France ? ;) [12:25] lol [12:26] Riddell: sure, I will if that works, and eventually send him my package if that can help === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] Tonio_: new beagle landed - we need to fix kerry/kio-beagle now [12:27] Lure: kio-beagle fixed :) [12:27] Lure: fix? [12:27] Riddell: remove the autostart desktop file, cause it is now in beagle package [12:27] I asked slomo for this [12:28] Tonio_: could we ask him to split beagle into gtk parts and non-gtk parts? [12:29] Riddell: I did, and he promissed "some day, maybe" :) [12:30] Tonio_: approved, see comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2216 [12:30] Riddell: thanks, looking [12:30] Riddell: changing the version [12:30] raphink: time to revu this when I finished the changes ? [12:33] then we can upload ;) [12:33] ok [12:33] just testing the build and then upload [12:34] Riddell: the problem with latest kaffeine is that encoding functions require multiverse (lame) and universe (cdda2wav) packages....... [12:34] Tonio_: can you also fix kerry (while waiting for raphink ;-)) [12:34] so our version will miss a few features....... === Lure told you that he got addicted to kerry ;-) [12:35] Lure: yes, but the problem is that it is already in the new queue [12:35] so what to do ? [12:35] Riddell: is something is waiting in the queue, can I overwrite by reuploading ? [12:36] Tonio_: I don't actually know, you'd need to ask someone who knows about soyuz [12:36] okay :) [12:36] Riddell: Mark? ;-) [12:37] Tonio_: what do you want to overwrite? [12:37] Riddell: kerry [12:37] I've a feeling it'll get rejected [12:37] Riddell: why ? [12:38] just a guess [12:38] Riddell: kmplayer doesn't build if I ~ the version........ [12:39] strange..... [12:39] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [12:39] Tonio_: kmplayer approved, please see the comment [12:39] raphink: ok [12:39] Tonio_: really? but the version shouldn't change the build === kmon leaves... good night everyone. [12:40] night kmon [12:40] Riddell: I know :) I'm looking at it [12:40] Riddell: can I upload once that issue and raphink's comment are resolved ? I assume yes :) [12:40] Tonio_: sure [12:40] Tonio_: does it go to universe ? [12:41] raphink: first, but I think Riddell thinks about universe :) [12:41] about main sorry [12:41] ok [12:41] we'll see then [12:42] raphink: adept_installer uses debtags, not debian sections === Lure follows kmon path - good night everybody [12:43] Riddell: I saw some weird things when I worked on it last time though [12:43] that let me think it used sections [12:43] but I trust you :) [12:45] KLibido 0.2.5 [12:45] is out [12:45] can that be in dapper? [12:45] Riddell: anyway, it is true kmplayer shouldn't be section = sound :) [12:45] http://klibido.sourceforge.net/ [12:45] jeroenvrp: we're in upstream version freeze, it'll need a good reason and to show that it'll fix more thing than it will break [12:45] jeroenvrp: I can build and ask for uvfe [12:45] jeroenvrp: if there are good reasons for it, you have to request a UVF exception [12:45] only if changes justify [12:46] Riddell: I understand, but between 0.2.4 and 0.2.5 there are 8 months === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] jeroenvrp: that is not a valid reason to update [12:46] in 8 months, a program can become much more unstable [12:46] or there can be almostt no change [12:46] 8 months is not a good scale to measure program changes ;) [12:47] the biggest change is that there are some crashes resolved [12:47] and they were vey anoying [12:47] are there features added ? [12:47] see the changelog [12:47] raphink: see the uri [12:47] jeroenvrp: request a UVF exception [12:47] file the changelgo and the diffstat with it [12:47] raphink: where? [12:47] on launchpad? [12:48] yep [12:48] ok [12:48] open a bug requesting upgrade [12:48] stability improvement is a bog reason [12:48] good reason [12:48] UVF exception : x.x.x (replace with your version) -> 0.2.5 [12:48] raphink: thanks :-) [12:48] I will do [12:48] then add the changelog [12:48] and the diffstat [12:48] and assign the bug to motu-uvf [12:48] jeroenvrp: while you do it, can you plz patch the desktop file [12:49] or should I first compile it myself [12:49] I hate desktop files without GenericName in it ;) [12:50] night all, be back early tomorrow [12:50] kwwii: nite :) [12:50] testing buttons, bgs, etc. [12:50] Tonio_: I'm not the maintainer of Klibido :-) === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:50] jeroenvrp: and ? [12:51] jeroenvrp: nmu packages can include patches :) [12:51] we don't have maiuntainers in ubuntu [12:51] yeah but i'm also not a devoloper [12:51] i'm a admin [12:51] n admin [12:52] another thing: [12:52] you don't need to know how to code to update a package [12:52] in the past I was able to open tar.*-files with kaprt [12:52] kpart [12:52] I cant see the ark-kpart anymor [12:52] I searched, but cant find itr [12:53] jeroenvrp: an admn is likely to understand how to package [12:53] no need to be a dev [12:54] that's tonio's fault :) [12:54] raphink: I now how to create a package with checkinstall === Riddell sets 600MB of langpacks to upload and goes to bed [12:54] Riddell: bah ^^ !! [12:54] that is not what I call creating a package jeroenvrp [12:54] :p [12:54] Riddell: ah so it a known issue [12:54] Tonio_: :) [12:54] raphink: yes I know :-) [12:54] jeroenvrp: this is a choice we made to make kubuntu more logicall [12:55] Tonio_: oh it's not by accident [12:55] >? [12:55] jeroenvrp: there is no reason for tar.gz files to be integrated in a different way from tar.bz2 or 7z files === Shura_nux [n=Shura@fac34-3-82-231-27-96.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] the problem is that all compression formats don't have a kio [12:55] Tonio_: can tar.bz2 or 7z files not be integrated like tar.gez files? [12:56] jeroenvrp: if you can developp a kio_slave for each format, then yes :) [12:56] aaah [12:56] than its good :- [12:56] furthermore integrating them is a source of issues [12:56] since most of the time you wna to extract them [12:57] rather than browse them [12:57] but it was very handy, because I good easily drag and drop (flame flame) [12:57] jeroenvrp: you can drag and drop from ark ;) [12:58] hello Shura_nux [12:58] hello all [12:58] hi Shura_nux [12:58] Tonio_: mmm tried that, doesnt work like it should [12:58] Riddell: I confirm build fails with renaming the version [12:59] astonishing, but that's it [12:59] Tonio_: very strange. just use the ugly version number then [12:59] Shura_nux: going to become an elite kubuntu developer like jeroenvrp is? [12:59] Riddell: okay [01:00] Riddell: I tested twice, for the same result..... [01:00] i have a bug with the "kdesu" command, when i want to launch a soft with kdesu, nothing happend (and sorryt for my english, i'am french) [01:01] Tonio_: when I drag the contents of map A from archive ONE.tar.gz in map B, the subdirs of map A become subdir of map B, not like it shoud: map A must become a subdir of map B [01:01] jeroenvrp: strange..... create an ark bug then :) [01:02] Riddell: what you mean with"elite"!? [01:02] jeroenvrp: I will make uvfe for klibido [01:03] Tonio_: oh great [01:03] I was just trying to compile it myself first [01:04] well if you don't know how to package, UVF exception is a bit hard to make :) [01:04] it'll take you days to make it correctly :) [01:04] jeroenvrp: did you build it in a pbuilder? [01:04] UVFe isn't a good excercise to lrearn packaging [01:05] Tonio_: raphink: I just compile, use checkinstall to make a deb [01:05] arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!! [01:05] that's not what we call building a package jeroenvrp [01:05] my eyes !!!!!!!!! [01:05] so using pbuilder is a good way to learn packaging? [01:05] Tonio_: hehe === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] jeroenvrp: using pbuilder is a good way to build and test packages [01:05] not to learn packaging [01:06] pbuilder is a minimal chrooted environment [01:06] regenerated with each build [01:06] raphink: yes I understand, but it was not my intention to make a package, only for myself, to see if the new version is stable enough [01:06] jeroenvrp: why not? everybody would be happy to have a package [01:06] jeroenvrp: if you can learn to package and do it, why wouldn't you do it? [01:06] raphink: ok ok ok, do you have a link with instrtuction, I really want to learn [01:06] you've got 18000+ packages available thanks to volunteers :) === Tonio_ doesn't understand why changing the version of a package causes ftbfs......... third test for the same result....... [01:07] I made ten and tens of packages with checkinstall, so time to go to the next level :-) [01:07] raphink: already saw that ? [01:07] jeroenvrp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging [01:07] it is simply amazing........ [01:07] raphink: thansk [01:07] Tonio_: no [01:08] I don't understand myself...... [01:08] jeroenvrp: sorry : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips [01:08] that's better [01:08] :) [01:08] Riddell: kmplayer uploaded [01:08] okidokie [01:08] jeroenvrp: anyway, you have to read the New Debian Maintainer's Guide first [01:08] :) [01:08] till laserjock is done with his packaging guide for ubuntu :) [01:08] Tonio_: what's the FTBFS error? [01:09] allee: ah....... no more logs..... [01:09] allee: I gimme a minute === allee logs out/in to try the new ati driver. [01:10] raphink: should I not start with a package with less deps, than Klibido? [01:10] klibido is a simple package [01:10] it's not what I'd call a hard one [01:10] ;) [01:10] at all [01:10] compared to wesnoth, kdelibs or kubuntu-desktop [01:11] ok :-) [01:11] if its easier than amarok, its no problem, because I compiled amarok many times [01:11] raphink: agree but uvfe requires debdiff files etc...... [01:12] uvfe is more complicated than simply packaging [01:12] sure [01:12] when someone is willing to learn, he/she can learn [01:12] I'm sure ;) [01:12] at least how to make a uvfe quite blindly [01:12] yes, but the short time implies I do the same "en parrallle" [01:12] no ? [01:13] maybe its a good task for me to try to repackage all apps I have installed using checkinstall [01:13] sure [01:13] Tonio_: you could mentor jeroenvrp :) [01:13] jeroenvrp: good luck :) [01:13] There is a reason I did that off coutse [01:13] raphink: I don't consider myself good enough to mentor anybody :) === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] hmm ok [01:13] I could mentor him then :) [01:13] I'm honored Tonio_ :-) [01:13] it is hard enough to manage to help myself packaging ^^ [01:14] jeroenvrp: if you need help I'll mentor you [01:14] but seriously, yes, of course I can help you [01:14] I'm double honered [01:14] although there are way better packagers than me [01:14] I'm just going to read firs [01:14] rt [01:14] t [01:14] Lure: thx for the reminder. It's fixed in last upload ;) [01:14] Tonio_: mentoring is a way to improve your skills [01:14] ;) [01:14] raphink: indeed [01:14] but do I need any improvement ? [01:14] and than I'm going to bed, watch 2 BSG-episodes and going to dream about all those debs :-) [01:15] haha Tonio_:p === Tonio_ is proud when tired ;) [01:15] hehe [01:15] attention les chevilles Tonio_ :p [01:15] ca va pter !!!!!!!!!! [01:15] tu vas clater tes chaussettes [01:15] ;) [01:15] hehe [01:16] raphink: the problem is that even if it is a good excercise, the klibido uvfe requires : [01:16] uupdate, pbuilder, cdbs + simplepatchsys, debdiff [01:16] that's a bit too much tolearn or a first package experience I think ;) [01:17] indeed Tonio_ [01:17] it is way better making a new package than updating one to learn, anyway [01:17] I would just invite him on my comp [01:17] with a screen -x [01:17] create a NEW package and learn step by step [01:17] and explain what I'm doing [01:17] shortly [01:17] as a "tour d'horizon" of packaging [01:17] first, dpkg-buildpackage, then puilder, then cdbs, then patches...... [01:17] through a UVFe [01:17] just my point ;) [01:18] okay [01:18] I did it once with a backport [01:18] raphink: ready to make it ? or do you want me to do so ? [01:18] that was a nice intro [01:18] I think jeroenvrp is going to bed if I understood well ;) [01:18] I have many things to do, but that can be planned during the week [01:18] and klibido is your package ;) [01:18] raphink: not anymore :) [01:18] ah right [01:18] it is now syunched from debian [01:19] I'm still here :-0 [01:19] and the debian package is ugly....... === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] but not fit enough to follow a live course :-) [01:19] I should have asked for rtp [01:19] but I like your trust in me [01:19] rfp or rtp ? [01:20] rfp [01:20] rtp is wts [01:20] ;) [01:20] allee: want to see the error ? [01:21] Tonio_: yes [01:21] Tonio_: did you have a look at speedcrunch , [01:21] ? [01:21] allee: http://pastebin.com/626011 [01:21] allee: s/~/-/ in the version, and that builds like a charm [01:22] raphink: yes, it is not k-d-s config :) [01:22] the default config isn't default [01:22] jeroenvrp: we're always happy to welcome new contributors and educate them [01:22] Tonio_: that is weird [01:22] the "default" option in conf, is to set to KDE's default [01:22] Tonio_: I believe it should be patched then [01:22] while speedcrunch has it's own setting [01:22] 20pts for the font is way too huge [01:22] raphink: bah.......... I don't like speedcrunch anyway :) === Tonio_ wants kcalc !!!!!! [01:23] doesn't matter, it's installed by default [01:23] so it should be nice [01:23] but I know it is not Riddell's feeling :) [01:23] Tonio_: and the only change interdiff shows is the version 0.9.1.99+0.9.2~pre3 in the changelog?? [01:23] raphink: 16 could be nice [01:23] allee: yes === jeroenvrp likes abakus [01:23] allee: and on the orig also [01:23] that's the only difference [01:24] 16 is too huge too Tonio_ [01:24] Tonio_: change version back and I (almost) sure it will not compile too ;) [01:24] default is 12 iirc [01:24] allee: let me test :) [01:24] Tonio_: sound like a dist-upgrade broke something [01:24] allee: interesting :) [01:24] allee: I don't think so, cause I did the test three times [01:25] and it is in a pbuilder chroot === jeroenvrp is first going to add a wishlist item for adept [01:25] I didn't update between the different builds [01:25] let me go back to - and we'll see :) [01:25] allee: I can bet 10 it builds === allee waits nerverouly [01:25] are you ready ? ^^ === toma is now known as toma_ [01:26]