[12:03] <Tonio_> we will not keep 0.7 forever, so since the package is done.........
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's good in 0.8?
[12:04] <Tonio_> I really the playlist window, with preview etc.......
[12:04] <Riddell> I'd rather not have 0.8 in until kmplayer is in since 0.8 breaks bbc.co.uk
[12:04] <Tonio_> it is very stable (as long as not embedded in konq)
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I understand that
[12:04] <Tonio_> but do I keep the package somewhere in case of ?
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: and finally, after that audio cd section is quite nice :)
[12:06] <kmon> dapper will bring 2 media players or kaffeine will be dropped?
[12:06] <Tonio_> amarok doesn't manage audio cds, so kaffeine could be the perfect amarok complement
[12:06] <Tonio_> and completly replacing kscd
[12:06] <kmon> Tonio_: amarok 1.4 does...
[12:06] <Tonio_> kmon: directly ?
[12:07] <kmon> Tonio_: it has audio cd playback with xine engine
[12:07] <Tonio_> I mean, did they stop that "dynamic ripping + reading" thing ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> that's the way it did before.....
[12:07] <kmon> mmmm
[12:07] <kmon> I don't know... 
[12:07] <kmon> with previous amarok I couldn't play audio cd's
[12:07] <kmon> now I can
[12:08] <kmon> that's all I can say
[12:08] <Lure> Tonio_: wil we drop KsCD - it does not work for me out of the box anyway...
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: well kaffeine is a very nice audiocd player in version 0.8
[12:10] <Tonio_> with ripping functions etc.....;
[12:10] <kmon> Tonio_: I'm using Ridell's package for amarok, so I you can, give it a try.
[12:10] <Tonio_> kmon: I'm trying :), will let you know :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> but as far as I know, amarok doesn't perform "direct cd reading"
[12:10] <Lure> Tonio_: first page looks ugly
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but while testing it, I discovered interesting features, like the playlist
[12:11] <kmon> Tonio_: My only noticeable bug is that you can't disable the splash screen.
[12:11] <Tonio_> it is very very nice
[12:11] <Tonio_> kmon: what package ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> Lure: did you play with latest kaffeine ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> I mean, tested everything ?
[12:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not have splash screen - just the window is too small for buttons 
[12:12] <Lure> Tonio_: just installed 0.8
[12:12] <kmon> Tonio_: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2 dapper main
[12:12] <Lure> will test tommorow (need to get some sleep now)
[12:12] <Tonio_> kmon: okay ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> so this version plays audiocds ? interesting ;)
[12:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I was very surprised, and didn't like that kaffeine when I tried first, but now, I must sayit is charming :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> except the konqueror plugin, ugly as always
[12:13] <Lure> yes, it looks nice... major improvement
[12:13] <kmon> Tonio_: from the changelog of 1.4beta1: The xine engine now has gapless playback (Needs xine-lib 1.1.1) and audio CD support with CDDB lookups
[12:13] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[12:14] <Tonio_> kmon: great :) didn't knew that ;)
[12:14] <kmon> amarok rocks!
[12:14] <Tonio_> Lure: and new kaffeine UI ressembles to amarok
[12:14] <Tonio_> whichis a good thing
[12:14] <Lure> yes
[12:14] <kwwii> evening
[12:14] <Tonio_> hey kwwii :)
[12:14] <kwwii> hi all
[12:14] <kmon> With the delay maybe amarok 1.4 is released in time for an uvf?
[12:15] <Lure> personally, I would include 0.8 and get rid of KsCD and KAudioCreator
[12:15] <Lure> kwwii: hi
[12:15] <kmon> Lure: +1
[12:15] <kmon> Even k3b can rip cd's doesn't it?
[12:15] <kwwii> Riddell: pinheiro wants to know how to get kubuntu CDs for his LUG in port., could you help him?
[12:15] <Riddell> can kaffeine to CD ripping?
[12:16] <Lure> kmon: I think KAudioCreator was left due to simplicity
[12:16] <Riddell> kwwii: I don't have any left, tackat has my last ones
[12:16] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like
[12:16] <kwwii> hehe, damn tackat
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2216
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: raphink nuked, now it is the good version ;)
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: latest kaffeine can yes
[12:16] <Lure> kwwii: raphink has new walpaper for you ;-)
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: rip & encode
[12:17] <raphink> hehe
[12:17] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: but requires to be built with lame for mp3 support..... to only ogg available for my package version of course
[12:18] <Tonio_> I don't think it only requires lame to be installed, but it requires to be built with.....
[12:18] <Tonio_> let me try :)
[12:18] <Lure> kwwii: http://r.pinson.free.fr/kubuntu-wallpaper-april/capture2.jpg - can you fix it for 1920x1200? ;-)
[12:19] <kwwii> I still have to make the bigger versions of the pic first
[12:20] <Lure> raphink: when I looked at it now again, looks like ad for fishbone ;-)
[12:21] <raphink> lol
[12:22] <raphink> yeah looks a bit like a fish
[12:22] <raphink> lol
[12:22] <raphink> as I'm telling kwwii
[12:22] <kwwii> lol
[12:22] <raphink> this thingy gave me the idea tonight
[12:22] <raphink> of having a changing wallpaper
[12:22] <raphink> a wallpaper that would be changed once a week or so
[12:22] <raphink> with a bar
[12:22] <raphink> telling how many weeks are left before Dapper release
[12:23] <kwwii> I love this idea, btw :-) although if things get pushed back that might get nasty so perhaps only the very last weeks
[12:23] <Riddell> raphink: that's actually quite close to what Mark Shuttleworth has been suggesting for ubuntu
[12:23] <raphink> kwwii: I really doubt they get pushed back once more
[12:23] <raphink> Riddell: really?
[12:23] <raphink> Riddell: verifying the cognosphere theory once more ? ;)
[12:24] <kwwii> hehe
[12:24] <Riddell> raphink: he wanted the devel version to have different backgrounds for different things that have happened 
[12:24] <raphink> yes I think that's nice
[12:24] <raphink> there could be some background that would have wholes for goals
[12:24] <raphink> or goals represented by images on the background
[12:24] <raphink> that would be either empty or greyed in the beginning
[12:25] <raphink> then come to life as the distro is being developped and goals are being reached
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: libogg-dev is in main, so I will repackage kaffeine with ogg encoding capability
[12:25] <Tonio_> would be stupid not to do it :)
[12:25] <Riddell> yep
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: fabo is doing kaffeine for debian these days, would be a good idea to keep him informed of such things :)
[12:25] <raphink> Tonio_: is it allowed in France ? ;)
[12:25] <raphink> lol
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, I will if that works, and eventually send him my package if that can help
[12:26] <Lure> Tonio_: new beagle landed - we need to fix kerry/kio-beagle now
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: kio-beagle fixed :)
[12:27] <Riddell> Lure: fix?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: remove the autostart desktop file, cause it is now in beagle package
[12:27] <Tonio_> I asked slomo for this
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: could we ask him to split beagle into gtk parts and non-gtk parts?
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did, and he promissed "some day, maybe" :)
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: approved, see comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2216
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks, looking
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: changing the version
[12:30] <Tonio_> raphink: time to revu this when I finished the changes ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> then we can upload ;)
[12:33] <raphink> ok
[12:33] <Tonio_> just testing the build and then upload
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with latest kaffeine is that encoding functions require multiverse (lame) and universe (cdda2wav) packages.......
[12:34] <Lure> Tonio_: can you also fix kerry (while waiting for raphink ;-))
[12:34] <Tonio_> so our version will miss a few features.......
[12:35] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but the problem is that it is already in the new queue
[12:35] <Tonio_> so what to do ?
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: is something is waiting in the queue, can I overwrite by reuploading ?
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't actually know, you'd need to ask someone who knows about soyuz
[12:36] <Tonio_> okay :)
[12:36] <Lure> Riddell: Mark? ;-)
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you want to overwrite?
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: kerry
[12:37] <Riddell> I've a feeling it'll get rejected
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: why ?
[12:38] <Riddell> just a guess
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer doesn't build if I ~ the version........
[12:39] <Tonio_> strange.....
[12:39] <Tonio_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:39] <raphink> Tonio_: kmplayer approved, please see the comment
[12:39] <Tonio_> raphink: ok
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: really?  but the version shouldn't change the build
[12:40] <raphink> night kmon
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know :) I'm looking at it
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I upload once that issue and raphink's comment are resolved ? I assume yes :)
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[12:40] <raphink> Tonio_: does it go to universe ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> raphink: first, but I think Riddell thinks about universe :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> about main sorry
[12:41] <raphink> ok
[12:41] <raphink> we'll see then
[12:42] <Riddell> raphink: adept_installer uses debtags, not debian sections
[12:43] <raphink> Riddell: I saw some weird things when I worked on it last time though
[12:43] <raphink> that let me think it used sections
[12:43] <raphink> but I trust you :)
[12:45] <jeroenvrp> KLibido 0.2.5 
[12:45] <jeroenvrp> is out
[12:45] <jeroenvrp> can that be in dapper?
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, it is true kmplayer shouldn't be section = sound :)
[12:45] <jeroenvrp> http://klibido.sourceforge.net/
[12:45] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: we're in upstream version freeze, it'll need a good reason and to show that it'll fix more thing than it will break
[12:45] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I can build and ask for uvfe
[12:45] <raphink> jeroenvrp: if there are good reasons for it, you have to request a UVF exception
[12:45] <Tonio_> only if changes justify 
[12:46] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I understand, but between 0.2.4 and 0.2.5 there are 8 months
[12:46] <raphink> jeroenvrp: that is not a valid reason to update
[12:46] <raphink> in 8 months, a program can become much more unstable
[12:46] <raphink> or there can be almostt no change 
[12:46] <raphink> 8 months is not a good scale to measure program changes ;)
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> the biggest change is that there are some crashes resolved
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> and they were vey anoying
[12:47] <raphink> are there features added ?
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> see the changelog
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> raphink: see the uri
[12:47] <raphink> jeroenvrp: request a UVF exception
[12:47] <raphink> file the changelgo and the diffstat with it
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> raphink: where?
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> on launchpad?
[12:48] <raphink> yep
[12:48] <jeroenvrp> ok
[12:48] <raphink> open a bug requesting upgrade
[12:48] <Tonio_> stability improvement is a bog reason
[12:48] <Tonio_> good reason
[12:48] <raphink> UVF exception : x.x.x (replace with your version) -> 0.2.5
[12:48] <jeroenvrp> raphink: thanks :-)
[12:48] <jeroenvrp> I will do
[12:48] <raphink> then add the changelog
[12:48] <raphink> and the diffstat
[12:48] <raphink> and assign the bug to motu-uvf
[12:48] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: while you do it, can you plz patch the desktop file
[12:49] <jeroenvrp> or should I first compile it myself
[12:49] <Tonio_> I hate desktop files without GenericName in it ;)
[12:50] <kwwii> night all, be back early tomorrow
[12:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: nite :)
[12:50] <kwwii> testing buttons, bgs, etc.
[12:50] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: I'm not the maintainer of Klibido :-)
[12:50] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: and ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: nmu packages can include patches :)
[12:51] <Riddell> we  don't have maiuntainers in ubuntu
[12:51] <jeroenvrp> yeah but i'm also not a devoloper
[12:51] <jeroenvrp> i'm a admin
[12:51] <jeroenvrp> n admin
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> another thing:
[12:52] <Riddell> you don't need to know how to code to update a package
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> in the past I was able to open tar.*-files with kaprt
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> kpart
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> I cant see the ark-kpart anymor
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> I searched, but cant find itr
[12:53] <raphink> jeroenvrp: an admn is likely to understand how to package
[12:53] <raphink> no need to be a dev
[12:54] <Riddell> that's tonio's fault :)
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> raphink: I now how to create a package with checkinstall
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah ^^ !!
[12:54] <raphink> that is not what I call creating a package jeroenvrp
[12:54] <raphink> :p
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ah so it a known issue
[12:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: :)
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> raphink: yes I know :-)
[12:54] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: this is a choice we made to make kubuntu more logicall
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: oh it's not by accident
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> >?
[12:55] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: there is no reason for tar.gz files to be integrated in a different way from tar.bz2 or 7z files
[12:55] <Tonio_> the problem is that all compression formats don't have a kio
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: can tar.bz2 or 7z files not be integrated like tar.gez files?
[12:56] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: if you can developp a kio_slave for each format, then yes :)
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> aaah
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> than its good :-
[12:56] <raphink> furthermore integrating them is a source of issues
[12:56] <raphink> since most of the time you wna to extract them
[12:57] <raphink> rather than browse them
[12:57] <jeroenvrp> but it was very handy, because I good easily drag and drop (flame flame) 
[12:57] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: you can drag and drop from ark ;)
[12:58] <Riddell> hello Shura_nux 
[12:58] <Shura_nux> hello all
[12:58] <Tonio_> hi Shura_nux
[12:58] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: mmm tried that, doesnt work like it should
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I confirm build fails with renaming the version
[12:59] <Tonio_> astonishing, but that's it
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: very strange.  just use the ugly version number then
[12:59] <Riddell> Shura_nux: going to become an elite kubuntu developer like jeroenvrp is?
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested twice, for the same result.....
[01:00] <Shura_nux> i have a bug with the "kdesu" command, when i want to launch a soft with kdesu, nothing happend (and sorryt for my english, i'am french)
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: when I drag the contents of map A from archive ONE.tar.gz in map B,  the subdirs of map A become subdir of map B, not like it shoud: map A must become a subdir of map B
[01:01] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: strange..... create an ark bug then :)
[01:02] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: what you mean with"elite"!?
[01:02] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I will make uvfe for klibido
[01:03] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: oh great
[01:03] <jeroenvrp> I was just trying to compile it myself first
[01:04] <Tonio_> well if you don't know how to package, UVF exception is a bit hard to make :)
[01:04] <Tonio_> it'll take you days to make it correctly :)
[01:04] <raphink> jeroenvrp: did you build it in a pbuilder?
[01:04] <Tonio_> UVFe isn't a good excercise to lrearn packaging
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: raphink: I just compile, use checkinstall to make a deb
[01:05] <Tonio_> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!
[01:05] <raphink> that's not what we call building a package jeroenvrp
[01:05] <Tonio_> my eyes !!!!!!!!!
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> so using pbuilder is a good way to learn packaging?
[01:05] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe
[01:05] <raphink> jeroenvrp: using pbuilder is a good way to build and test packages
[01:05] <raphink> not to learn packaging
[01:06] <raphink> pbuilder is a minimal chrooted environment
[01:06] <raphink> regenerated with each build
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> raphink: yes I understand, but it was not my intention to make a package, only for myself, to see if the new version is stable enough
[01:06] <raphink> jeroenvrp: why not? everybody would be happy to have a package
[01:06] <raphink> jeroenvrp: if you can learn to package and do it, why wouldn't you do it?
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> raphink: ok ok ok, do you have a link with instrtuction, I really want to learn
[01:06] <raphink> you've got 18000+ packages available thanks to volunteers :)
[01:07] <jeroenvrp> I made ten and tens of packages with checkinstall, so time to go to the next level :-)
[01:07] <Tonio_> raphink: already saw that ?
[01:07] <raphink> jeroenvrp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging
[01:07] <Tonio_> it is simply amazing........
[01:07] <jeroenvrp> raphink: thansk
[01:07] <raphink> Tonio_: no
[01:08] <Tonio_> I don't understand myself......
[01:08] <raphink> jeroenvrp: sorry : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips
[01:08] <raphink> that's better
[01:08] <raphink> :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer uploaded
[01:08] <jeroenvrp> okidokie
[01:08] <raphink> jeroenvrp: anyway, you have to read the New Debian Maintainer's Guide first
[01:08] <raphink> :)
[01:08] <raphink> till laserjock is done with his packaging guide for ubuntu :)
[01:08] <allee> Tonio_: what's the FTBFS error?
[01:09] <Tonio_> allee: ah....... no more logs.....
[01:09] <Tonio_> allee: I gimme a minute
[01:10] <jeroenvrp> raphink: should I not start with a package with less deps, than Klibido?
[01:10] <raphink> klibido is a simple package
[01:10] <raphink> it's not what I'd call a hard one 
[01:10] <raphink> ;)
[01:10] <raphink> at all
[01:10] <raphink> compared to wesnoth, kdelibs or kubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <jeroenvrp> ok :-)
[01:11] <jeroenvrp> if its easier than amarok, its no problem, because I compiled amarok many times
[01:11] <Tonio_> raphink: agree but uvfe requires debdiff files etc......
[01:12] <Tonio_> uvfe is more complicated than simply packaging
[01:12] <raphink> sure
[01:12] <raphink> when someone is willing to learn, he/she can learn 
[01:12] <raphink> I'm sure ;)
[01:12] <raphink> at least how to make a uvfe quite blindly
[01:12] <Tonio_> yes, but the short time implies I do the same "en parrallle"
[01:12] <Tonio_> no ?
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> maybe its a good task for me to try to repackage all apps I have installed using checkinstall
[01:13] <raphink> sure
[01:13] <raphink> Tonio_: you could mentor jeroenvrp :)
[01:13] <raphink> jeroenvrp: good luck :)
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> There is a reason I did that off coutse
[01:13] <Tonio_> raphink: I don't consider myself good enough to mentor anybody :)
[01:13] <raphink> hmm ok
[01:13] <raphink> I could mentor him then :)
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> I'm honored Tonio_ :-)
[01:13] <Tonio_> it is hard enough to manage to help myself packaging ^^
[01:14] <raphink> jeroenvrp: if you need help I'll mentor you 
[01:14] <Tonio_> but seriously, yes, of course I can help you
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> I'm double honered
[01:14] <Tonio_> although there are way better packagers than me
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> I'm just going to read firs
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> rt
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> t
[01:14] <allee> Lure: thx for the reminder.  It's fixed in last upload ;)
[01:14] <raphink> Tonio_: mentoring is a way to improve your skills
[01:14] <raphink> ;)
[01:14] <Tonio_> raphink: indeed
[01:14] <Tonio_> but do I need any improvement ?
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> and than I'm going to bed, watch 2 BSG-episodes and going to dream about all those debs :-)
[01:15] <raphink> haha Tonio_:p
[01:15] <raphink> hehe
[01:15] <raphink> attention les chevilles Tonio_ :p
[01:15] <Tonio_> ca va pter !!!!!!!!!!
[01:15] <raphink> tu vas clater tes chaussettes
[01:15] <raphink> ;)
[01:15] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:16] <Tonio_> raphink: the problem is that even if it is a good excercise, the klibido uvfe requires :
[01:16] <Tonio_> uupdate, pbuilder, cdbs + simplepatchsys, debdiff
[01:16] <Tonio_> that's a bit too much tolearn or a first package experience I think ;)
[01:17] <raphink> indeed Tonio_
[01:17] <Tonio_> it is way better making a new package than updating one to learn, anyway
[01:17] <raphink> I would just invite him on my comp 
[01:17] <raphink> with a screen -x
[01:17] <Tonio_> create a NEW package and learn step by step
[01:17] <raphink> and explain what I'm doing 
[01:17] <raphink> shortly
[01:17] <raphink> as a "tour d'horizon" of packaging
[01:17] <Tonio_> first, dpkg-buildpackage, then puilder, then cdbs, then patches......
[01:17] <raphink> through a UVFe
[01:17] <raphink> just my point ;)
[01:18] <Tonio_> okay
[01:18] <raphink> I did it once with a backport
[01:18] <Tonio_> raphink: ready to make it ? or do you want me to do so ?
[01:18] <raphink> that was a nice intro
[01:18] <raphink> I think jeroenvrp is going to bed if I understood well ;)
[01:18] <Tonio_> I have many things to do, but that can be planned  during the week
[01:18] <raphink> and klibido is your package ;)
[01:18] <Tonio_> raphink: not anymore :)
[01:18] <raphink> ah right
[01:18] <Tonio_> it is now syunched from debian
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> I'm still here :-0
[01:19] <Tonio_> and the debian package is ugly.......
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> but not fit enough to follow a live course :-)
[01:19] <Tonio_> I should have asked for rtp
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> but I like your trust in me 
[01:19] <Tonio_> rfp or rtp ?
[01:20] <raphink> rfp
[01:20] <raphink> rtp is wts
[01:20] <raphink> ;)
[01:20] <Tonio_> allee: want to see the error ?
[01:21] <allee> Tonio_: yes
[01:21] <raphink> Tonio_: did you have a look at speedcrunch ,
[01:21] <raphink> ?
[01:21] <Tonio_> allee: http://pastebin.com/626011
[01:21] <Tonio_> allee: s/~/-/ in the version, and that builds like a charm
[01:22] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, it is not k-d-s config :)
[01:22] <Tonio_> the default config isn't default
[01:22] <raphink> jeroenvrp: we're always happy to welcome new contributors and educate them
[01:22] <raphink> Tonio_: that is weird
[01:22] <Tonio_> the "default" option in conf, is to set to KDE's default
[01:22] <raphink> Tonio_: I believe it should be patched then
[01:22] <Tonio_> while speedcrunch has it's own setting
[01:22] <raphink> 20pts for the font is way too huge
[01:22] <Tonio_> raphink: bah.......... I don't like speedcrunch anyway :)
[01:23] <raphink> doesn't matter, it's installed by default
[01:23] <raphink> so it should be nice
[01:23] <Tonio_> but I know it is not Riddell's feeling :)
[01:23] <allee> Tonio_: and the only change interdiff shows is the version 0.9.1.99+0.9.2~pre3 in the changelog??
[01:23] <Tonio_> raphink: 16 could be nice
[01:23] <Tonio_> allee: yes
[01:23] <Tonio_> allee: and on the orig also
[01:23] <Tonio_> that's the only difference
[01:24] <raphink> 16 is too huge too Tonio_
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: change version back and I (almost) sure it will not compile too ;)
[01:24] <raphink> default is 12 iirc
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee: let me test :)
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: sound like a dist-upgrade broke something
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee: interesting :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee: I don't think so, cause I did the test three times
[01:25] <Tonio_> and it is in a pbuilder chroot
[01:25] <Tonio_> I didn't update between the different builds
[01:25] <Tonio_> let me go back to - and we'll see :)
[01:25] <Tonio_> allee: I can bet 10 it builds
[01:25] <Tonio_> are you ready ? ^^
[01:26] <raphink> toma: I didn't manage to display error messages ... all I managed to do was to disable the popup and only keep the current errors in the tabs
[01:26] <allee> quoting myself ...  I (almost) sure ... ;)
[01:26] <raphink> toma_: actually I think I know why this doesn't work
[01:27] <raphink> jeroenvrp: wish for what?
[01:27] <Tonio_> allee: we'll know in 3 minutes :)
[01:27] <jeroenvrp> raphink: just wait :-)
[01:27] <raphink> jeroenvrp: that's a nice feature
[01:27] <jeroenvrp> mmm bugs.kde.org dont want to cooporate :-(
[01:27] <raphink> bugs.kde.org sux
[01:27] <raphink> ;)
[01:28] <Tonio_> allee: to be honnest : 0.9.1.99+0.9.2~pre3
[01:28] <Tonio_> that's really horrible :)
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> raphink: here it is: Please add a small x left of the quick filter field, to clean the field
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> like a lot off kde-apps
[01:28] <raphink> ah right
[01:28] <raphink> good idea
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> thanx
[01:28] <raphink> mornfall: did you read jeroenvrp's idea ?
[01:29] <raphink> jeroenvrp: that's the quickest way of reporting a wiish for adept ;)
[01:29] <raphink> hehe
[01:29] <jeroenvrp> I'm just using adept to install the needed packages for packaging and the lack of the x frustrated me ;-)
[01:29] <raphink> and doesn't want one, not even aptitude
[01:29] <jeroenvrp> oh well
[01:29] <jeroenvrp> its Kubuntu :-)
[01:29] <raphink> but I'm happy adept exists and is nice :)
[01:29] <raphink> jeroenvrp: so?
[01:30] <allee> Tonio_: well, version is not only horrible it's strange too ;)
[01:30] <allee> Tonio_: is '~' would be allowed in archive, then this construct would not be necessary ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> allee: well, regarding to ubuntu policy, it is the one we have to use :)
[01:30] <jeroenvrp> so gui's are ok, and not evil :-)
[01:30] <allee> Tonio_: ust 0.9.2~pre3 then ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> allee: indeed
[01:30] <raphink> sure they're not evil jeroenvrp, but they're useless to me :)
[01:31] <jeroenvrp> raphink: but thats ok, thats linux
[01:31] <raphink> course jeroenvrp :)
[01:31] <Tonio_> allee: stupid of me I didn't though about that......
[01:31] <raphink> jeroenvrp: just don't worry if I show you how to package, I'll be using nano & vim mostly ;)
[01:31] <jeroenvrp> oh I'm using the commandline also a lot
[01:32] <Tonio_> allee: it builds :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> allee: amazing no ?
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: yeah
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: what is the ubuntu-version-string that builds?
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: you mean ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> 0.9.1.99+0.9.2~pre3 fails
[01:33] <Tonio_> 0.9.1.99+0.9.2-pre3 succeeds :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> that's the only difference
[01:33] <allee> Tonio_: so somewhere a dirty construct that does not like '~'?  Oh, nice
[01:33] <Tonio_> just tested 0.9.2~pre3 and it fails too..........
[01:34] <Tonio_> so only 0.9.1.99+0.9.2-pre3 works
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: that's possible yes
[01:34] <raphink> indeed
[01:35] <allee> Tonio_: so problem solved, becaues you can't use '~' in an upload :) :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> allee: really ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> dput fails with it ?
[01:36] <allee> Tonio_: not dput, but '~' are not allowed in the archive (AFAIU)
[01:36] <Tonio_> raphink: will you make the uvfe for klibido?
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: you should say that to Riddell :)
[01:36] <raphink> Tonio_: you woon't do it?
[01:36] <Tonio_> raphink: I can, depending you want or not to do it :)
[01:36] <allee> Tonio_: did he add the '~'?
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: he asked to me to do that
[01:37] <allee> hah! so he's only human too ;)
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2216
[01:37] <Tonio_> see comments :)
[01:39] <allee> Tonio_: Maybe it's allowed now?  Nah ;)
[01:40] <Tonio_> allee: maybe :) dunno
[01:40] <Tonio_> I never saw that on a package, but if Riddell asks, should be allowed ;)
[01:40] <allee> lol
[01:40] <allee> right
[01:42] <allee> Tonio_: time to go to bed.  Need energy to fight with 'torque' batch system again tomorrow.  Nite
[01:42] <Tonio_> nite my mentor :)
[01:51] <raphink> jeroenvrp: great :)
[01:51] <raphink> jeroenvrp: you should get a dapper pbuilder too
[01:51] <jeroenvrp> yes I changed the pbuilder options for dapper
[01:52] <jeroenvrp> like discribed in the pbuilder howto
[01:55] <jeroenvrp> raphink: doesnt make a difference that I have AMD and not Intel ?
[01:56] <jeroenvrp> doesnt=does it
[01:56] <raphink> no difference jeroenvrp
[01:56] <raphink> don't set this up
[01:56] <raphink> keep the default
[01:56] <jeroenvrp> raphink: ok, just to be sure
[01:56] <jeroenvrp> mm root partition is becoming full
[01:57] <raphink> argh
[01:57] <raphink> I have a separate /var
[01:57] <raphink> even a separate /var/chroot sometimes
[01:57] <raphink> and /var/cache/pbuilder too
[01:57] <raphink> so as to not flood my /
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> solved
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> raphink: good idea
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> I have a sparse partition
[01:58] <raphink> good :)
[01:58] <raphink> beware if you do that 
[01:58] <raphink> you should do it properly
[01:58] <raphink> so has not to keep your :var data on /
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> actually its a left over from my gentoo times
[01:58] <raphink> and cover them with the new /var
[01:58] <raphink> which would be stupid
[02:01] <jeroenvrp> raphink: 3,3G on this partition should be enough
[02:02] <jeroenvrp> I'm mounting the var on there
[02:03] <raphink> ok
[02:03] <raphink> that's enogh
[02:03] <raphink> if you don't build kde entirely
[02:03] <raphink> and if you clean your pbuilder from time to time
[02:05] <jeroenvrp> ok
[02:05] <jeroenvrp> movinf and modifying /etc/fstab now
[02:05] <raphink> ok
[02:05] <raphink> again, beware of not just covering your existing /var with the new one
[02:05] <raphink> without moving the current contents and removing them
[02:06] <jeroenvrp> yeah  I know :-)
[02:06] <raphink> :)
[02:06] <jeroenvrp> thats why I'm firsty moving to the old mountpoint, umount it afterwards and remount it to var
[02:06] <raphink> good :D
[02:06] <jeroenvrp> I had that once with the tmp partition
[02:07] <raphink> hehe
[02:07] <jeroenvrp> so I had a real tmp and a hidden tmp
[02:07] <raphink> yes
[02:07] <raphink> that eats space for nothing
[02:07] <jeroenvrp> yes
[02:07] <jeroenvrp> and a privacy issue also
[02:07] <raphink> yes
[02:08] <raphink> I only have a /var on this comp (my laptop) but on my server I have a lot of partitions to optimize builds :)
[02:08] <jeroenvrp> mv: cannot remove directory `lock': Device or resource busy
[02:08] <jeroenvrp> mv: cannot remove directory `run': Device or resource bus
[02:08] <jeroenvrp> where are they for?
[02:09] <raphink> in /var ?
[02:09] <jeroenvrp> yes
[02:09] <raphink> hmmm
[02:09] <jeroenvrp> they are dirs, nothing in it
[02:09] <raphink> I wouldn't remove them
[02:10] <raphink> ah?
[02:10] <raphink> ok
[02:10] <jeroenvrp> next step
[02:10] <raphink> :)
[02:10] <jeroenvrp> umount: /install: device is busy
[02:10] <jeroenvrp> a off course
[02:11] <jeroenvrp> root@k-uptown:~# umount -l /install
[02:11] <jeroenvrp> root@k-uptown:~# mount /var
[02:11] <jeroenvrp> system still works :-)
[02:12] <raphink> great :)
[02:12] <raphink> hh
[02:12] <jeroenvrp> lock and run are now in the new var
[02:12] <raphink> well done :)
[02:12] <jeroenvrp> raphink: see I'm an admin :-)
[02:12] <raphink> yep :)
[02:13] <jeroenvrp>  /dev/hdb1             3.3G  953M  2.4G  29% /var
[02:13] <raphink> that's much better :)
[02:13] <raphink> leaves you enough space 
[02:13] <raphink>  /dev/hda5              5767328   1293152   4181208  24% /var
[02:14] <raphink> I only have one pbuilder on this one and no chroot though
[02:14] <raphink> but I have many packages built on it ;)
[02:15] <jeroenvrp> I'm going to rl 1 to remove the old lock and run
[02:16] <raphink> ok
[02:17] <jeroenvrp> no I'm not :-)
[02:17] <jeroenvrp> I am encoding some avi files to dvd
[02:18] <raphink> not what?
[02:18] <jeroenvrp> going to runlevel 1
[02:18] <raphink> aah ok 
[02:18] <raphink> :)
[02:18] <raphink> hh
[02:19] <jeroenvrp> actualy, do you know how to reload a kernel using runlevel 1?
[02:19] <raphink> nope
[02:19] <jeroenvrp> ok
[02:19] <raphink> never did that
[02:19] <raphink> also depends how the rl are defined in the distro
[02:19] <raphink> they differ from a distro to another
[02:20] <jeroenvrp> maybe yes
[02:20] <jeroenvrp> but because of the many kernel updated in dapper
[02:20] <raphink> well since it's unstable, it often just crashes on me
[02:20] <raphink> so I press the reboot button
[02:20] <raphink> works too ;)
[02:20] <raphink> once a week or so
[02:20] <raphink> when I can't come back from suspend
[02:20] <raphink> lol
[02:21] <jeroenvrp> dapper never crashed on me
[02:21] <raphink> good4u
[02:21] <raphink> since when?
[02:21] <jeroenvrp> since february
[02:21] <jeroenvrp> thats when I updated from breezy
[02:22] <raphink> ok
[02:22] <raphink> it has been pretty stable since then yes
[02:22] <raphink> in november I would get crashes quite often
[02:22] <jeroenvrp> yes thats why I did the upgrade, I need a stable system
[02:22] <jeroenvrp> a little biy unstable is no problem
[02:23] <jeroenvrp> but if things can not boot anymore, i'm not happy :-)
[02:23] <raphink> kubuntu dapper is almost more stable then breezy now
[02:23] <jeroenvrp> raphink: absoluty
[02:23] <raphink> it is more stable than default breezy at least
[02:23] <raphink> that's for sure
[02:23] <raphink> kubuntu that is  ;)
[02:24] <jeroenvrp> my greates wish is Firefox for KDE
[02:24] <jeroenvrp> they said a year ago that it was in the works, but I didnt see any results
[02:24] <raphink> argh no
[02:25] <raphink> konqueror rocks
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> yes it does
[02:25] <raphink> firefox is too slow, too big
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> I have a love-hate relationship with both browsers
[02:25] <raphink> and doesn't do half of the things konqueror does
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> but I really like the extensions in firefox
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> I like to customize
[02:26] <raphink> you can customize konqueror :)
[02:26] <raphink> there are many kios
[02:26] <raphink> you can add service menus very easily
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> yes you can, but its limited
[02:26] <raphink> no it' snot
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> yes in the filebrowsert
[02:26] <raphink> it's only limited to your imagination and skills 
[02:26] <raphink> :)
[02:26] <robotgeek> raphink: skills take time to develop
[02:26] <raphink> furthermore, most konqueror extensions are built ones
[02:26] <raphink> they're more optimized
[02:27] <raphink> sure robotgeek :)
[02:27] <raphink> hehe
[02:27] <jeroenvrp> raphink: yes incl. the ones you dont need
[02:27] <raphink> robotgeek: ;)
[02:27] <raphink> ok anyway
[02:27] <raphink> ik wird slappen nu 
[02:27] <raphink> huhu
[02:27] <jeroenvrp> lets list some extensions konqueror does not have and are really needed for me:
[02:28] <raphink> that's a lot!
[02:28] <raphink> ;)
[02:28] <jeroenvrp> Adblock Plus + dutchblock > better than konq, because it auto-updates the filters and removes flash also
[02:28] <raphink> there is a adblock extension in konqui now
[02:29] <raphink> and Tonio_ has been working on the defualt settings for them
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> thats what I say, but its limited
[02:29] <robotgeek> jeroenvrp: if you use powerpc, you don't have flash anyways :)
[02:29] <raphink> so it's really good now
[02:29] <raphink> robotgeek: not true
[02:29] <raphink> I have flash on powerpc
[02:29] <raphink> free flash
[02:29] <robotgeek> raphink: yeah, but that mostly crashes my browser :)
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> Fasterfox  >> does konq use pipelininG?
[02:29] <raphink> doesnt' crash mine robotgeek
[02:29] <raphink> :)
[02:29] <raphink> it only won't work 
[02:29] <raphink> ;)
[02:29] <robotgeek> raphink: lol
[02:30] <raphink> sometimes
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> Greasemonkey >> !!!!
[02:30] <raphink> esp. with macromedia
[02:30] <raphink> pff
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> StumbleUpon >>> !!!
[02:30] <raphink> I don't want a tuned browser
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> :-)
[02:30] <raphink> I want a working app
[02:30] <raphink> and konqueror is way more useful for me than firefox
[02:30] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: did you test the actual konqueror adblock ?
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> raphink: I want to tune it myself :-)
[02:31] <Tonio_> with the given filter list ?
[02:31] <Tonio_> I never saw any add with it
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: yes I did, actaully I used Konq for 2 years
[02:31] <Tonio_> and did you get lots of adds ?
[02:31] <raphink> jeroenvrp: talknig about the new filter list 
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: yes and no
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> they are very US-centric
[02:31] <raphink> anyway 
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> or english-centric
[02:31] <raphink> good night
[02:31] <raphink> i'm bedding
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> bon nuit
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> and thanks
[02:32] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: french adds are removed too :)
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> I have a lot of dutch adds that were not removed
[02:32] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: you can add filtersetg to konq if you want :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> but that's copyrighted, I couldn't make usage of it
[02:32] <raphink> bedankt jeroenvrp, je oog
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> and it is not possible to filter out flash-adds :-(
[02:33] <raphink> tot ziens ;)
[02:33] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: with the filtersetg list, it is
[02:33] <Tonio_> it is THE SAME than ablockplus :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> they are compatible
[02:33] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: but can you manual add a flash-add
[02:33] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: if you don't want flash, don't install flash :)
[02:34] <jeroenvrp> one minute
[02:34] <Tonio_> that's the best method
[02:34] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: I want flash
[02:34] <jeroenvrp> there are some great scientific flashmovies
[02:34] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: if you use the adblockplus filters in konq, you will get exactly the same result
[02:35] <Tonio_> and tome a browser needs to start in less that 10 seconds :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> that way I cannot like firefox
[02:36] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: there I agree
[02:36] <Tonio_> and on the other and
[02:36] <Tonio_> adblockers are evil
[02:36] <Tonio_> you shouldnever forget that
[02:36] <jeroenvrp> no adds are evil :-)
[02:37] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: if every webbrowser had adblockplus by default
[02:37] <Tonio_> the web would DIE
[02:37] <Tonio_> in a few weeks
[02:37] <jeroenvrp> long live thet end of kapitalism :-)
[02:37] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I have a personnal webserver
[02:38] <Tonio_> the cost is about 400 per month
[02:38] <Tonio_> the website exists only because of adds
[02:38] <Tonio_> ads
[02:38] <jeroenvrp> yes I'm just kidding
[02:38] <Tonio_> and there are millions of websites like mine
[02:38] <jeroenvrp> thats why adblock downloads the ads, but just dont show them
[02:39] <jeroenvrp> some websites just have to much anoying ads
[02:40] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: maybe it will be possible to auto-update the konq-adbloack like dutchblock
[02:40] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: but if everyone was "hidding ads", nobody would pay to put ads on he web
[02:40] <Tonio_> and the problem would be the same
[02:40] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: thats true, but that not the case
[02:40] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: no it is not possible to autoupdate
[02:42] <jeroenvrp> ok, that keeps only stumble-upon left 
[03:35] <_matej> there are two kubuntu binary packages for kopete 0.12beta1 on http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php -- does anybody know where to find their sources? I would love to recompile them under Debian/sid (I haven't found anything else). Thanks.
[03:44] <_matej> night night :-)
[04:06] <jjesse> shouldn't lanague-support-en be installed by default so i get stuff like help docs for openoffice?
[08:24] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: what wish
[08:39] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: right click, clear
[08:39] <mornfall> or something like that anyway
[09:18] <robotgeek> yabi is very nice frontend to beagle
[09:24] <freeflying> robotgeek: have a look on kerry too
[09:24] <robotgeek> freeflying: i did not know that one existed, let me check :)
[09:25] <freeflying> robotgeek: hehe , jpatrick upload to universe today 
[09:26] <robotgeek> freeflying: universe? i can't find it in my apt-cache search
[09:27] <freeflying> robotgeek: you'd wait for a moment for build it 
[09:28] <robotgeek> freeflying: do you know link to source package? i can build myself :)
[09:28] <freeflying> robotgeek: archive.ubuntu.com/ubnutu/pool/universe/k/kerry
[09:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: thanks, building :)
[09:37] <robotgeek> freeflying: looks very nice. thanks for the tip. i like kio-beagle the best, i think :)
[09:37] <freeflying> robotgeek: seems need hrs for indexing  :)
[09:37] <robotgeek> freeflying: did you exercise the dog?
[09:38] <robotgeek> export BEAGLE_EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1 
[09:38] <robotgeek> shutdown and restart beagle again
[09:38] <freeflying> robotgeek: no
[09:38] <robotgeek> freeflying: thant will index at full speed :)
[09:39] <freeflying> robotgeek: then you will not use your system almost :)
[09:39] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, it was over pretty fast. 
[09:40] <freeflying> robotgeek: I dare not :)
[09:41] <robotgeek> heh, okay
[09:42] <freeflying> robotgeek: when will doc freeze
[09:43] <robotgeek> freeflying: april 6th
[09:45] <robotgeek> freeflying: we moved kubuntu docs to xincludes, apparently it makes translations easier (i don't know why)
[09:46] <freeflying> robotgeek: haven't noticed that change yet
[09:46] <robotgeek> freeflying: you still have time :)
[09:47] <freeflying> robotgeek: we will begain after April 6 
[09:47] <robotgeek> yup. i am proof reading currently
[09:48] <robotgeek> also thinking of putting in screenshots for difficult things
[09:50] <robotgeek> wow, konqueror has a "Document Relations Plugin" which makes it easier to read mailing lists
[09:51] <freeflying> robotgeek: where
[09:52] <robotgeek> freeflying: Settings -> Configure Extensions -> Tools Tab
[09:54] <freeflying> robotgeek: got it , thx
[09:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: that's totally awesome, i started using firefox due to an extension like this. back to konq :)
[09:55] <freeflying> robotgeek: I dare not use ff, due to its spped 
[09:55] <freeflying> also I'd install many extensions 
[09:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: it does seem decent to me. the extensions are a problem though
[09:56] <freeflying> robotgeek: seldom use ff, konq is my favour  :)
[09:57] <robotgeek> ++
[09:57] <freeflying> seems I can dump OOo , koffice1.5rc1 looks better than before
[10:00] <robotgeek> i don't use OO anyways, txt files rock!
[10:00] <mornfall> tex has it all
[10:01] <robotgeek> yup, though i am preferring xml to tex nowadays. i can't seem to understand tex macros
[10:03] <freeflying> latex in ubuntu can not support CJK well
[10:07] <mornfall> *sigh* users are just so stupid
[10:08] <robotgeek> mornfall: what now? :)
[10:09] <mornfall> actually
[10:09] <mornfall> toma_: you should know better than reporting bug in adept when X upgrade smashes your configuration
[10:09] <mornfall> it's not like i wrote the damn maintainer scripts
[10:10] <mornfall> or could magically prevent them from breaking
[10:10] <seaLne> mornfall: isn't adept to blaim for all problems now? :)
[10:12] <mornfall> seaLne: you can try it, but i suggest you first find a new maintainer :] 
[10:13] <mornfall> toma_: here, here
[10:20] <verwilst> wlassistant is nice
[10:20] <verwilst> :p
[10:41] <hunger> Tonio_: Can you please remove the beagled desktop file in kerry and kio-beagle now that beagle ships it itself? Thanks!
[10:41] <hunger> Good morning by the way:-)
[10:46] <freeflying> hunger: kerry's maintainer is jpatrick :)
[10:47] <mornfall> kerry, kerry, but what about bush
[10:47] <hunger> beagle's index files get f***** huge!
[10:47] <mornfall> hunger: i'd say that's from definition of what it does
[10:47] <hunger> mornfall: Hmmm.... 280MiB is a bit much IMHO.
[10:48] <hunger> mornfall: And it is still indexing...
[10:48] <mornfall> hunger: 280MiB for how big home?
[10:48] <hunger> mornfall: 2.5G (inkl. the index).
[10:48] <mornfall> okey, that's a bit big
[10:48] <mornfall> but you won't help it anyway i guess
[10:48] <freeflying> mine is 260M
[10:49] <mornfall> and jpatrick won't either
[10:49] <hunger> mornfall: Oh, wait... I forgot 15GiB on the unencrypted disc.
[10:49] <mornfall> hehe
[10:49] <hunger> Guess it is OK after all:-)
[10:49] <hunger> Does beagle follow symlinks?
[10:49] <mornfall> you are asking in #kubuntu-devel? =)
[10:50] <hunger> Maybe it indexed the unencrypted stuff twice...
[10:50] <mornfall> that shouldn't happen, really
[10:50] <hunger> mornfall: I know that it should not happen... but this is a gnome app...
[10:50] <mornfall> heh
[10:50] <mornfall> it's a c# app even
[10:51] <freeflying> hunger: you can try use kat 
[10:51] <freeflying> seems kat is buggy
[10:51] <hunger> mornfall: I do not trust gnome develepers ever since deIcaza was proud to announce that they did 8 different kinds of queuing systems for evo on fosdem a couple of years back.
[10:52] <mornfall> hunger: hmmh?
[10:52] <hunger> freeflying: kat does not work with the sql lib ubuntu ships.
[10:52] <freeflying> hunger: or you can have a try on pycds writen in python 
[10:52] <hunger> freeflying: kat 0.7 will. No use trying before that gets out.
[10:56] <hunger> Apple's spotlight is still waaayyy nicer than beagle:-(
[10:58] <superstoned> does anyone know the current status of "will kopete 0.12 get into kubuntu"??? i found an annoying little creature in kopete: if you open a chathistory to search through it (kerry brings you there easilly) the window with is dependend on the longest sentence in the chathistory window. that can be pretty huge without wrapping.
[11:00] <superstoned> and mornfall - of course are all instalation problems your fault!!! you should check and manually test EVERY debian universe/multiverse/dapper package to see if it can be installed with adept or breaks :D
[11:01] <superstoned> no a more serious note, some problems on which adept bails out (acutally dpkg) could be fixed by a re-run of dpkg/apt, some others by a apt-get install -f. maybe you can make adept do that automatically?!?
[11:01] <superstoned> LOL
[11:02] <superstoned> * bite bite *
[11:02] <superstoned> yeah right
[11:02] <mornfall> no blood and all :] 
[11:02] <superstoned> haha
[11:03] <mornfall> as for dpkg/apt rerun
[11:03] <mornfall> it's usually not fixable that way
[11:03] <mornfall> most of the problems are file conflicts and alike
[11:03] <Tm_T> yup
[11:03] <mornfall> the right solution (will think for 3.0) is asking if you want to force overwrite if that happens
[11:03] <mornfall> and cleanup with --configure -a
[11:04] <mornfall> either way
[11:05] <superstoned> that would be very cool
[11:05] <superstoned> if it would ask that, i mean
[11:05] <superstoned> it's a bit 'duh' it should, but synaptic and aptitude don't... you have to get on the commandline to fix things. that's something not really acceptable, for a noob.
[11:08] <hunger> Beagle just does not find stuff:-(
[11:21] <mornfall> --> uni
[11:23] <hunger> Beagle sucks too much to use. Begone nasty dog.
[11:34] <OdyX> Hi all...
[11:34] <OdyX> mornfall: I've been said I had to talk to you...
[11:34] <OdyX> I got a relevant bug in adept_installer: In System, Konqueror appears 4 times.
[11:41] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ping pong
[11:45] <raphink> Riddell: is k-d-s to still be numbered 6.04 ?
[11:45] <raphink> Riddell: or should it be moved to 6.06 ?
[11:45] <raphink> some time ..
[11:45] <hunger> My wallets vanished *again*!
[11:45] <raphink> hunger: use pwmanager :)
[11:46] <OdyX> raphink: in tty's ... I have 6.06
[11:46] <OdyX> (from updated DapperFligh5
[11:46] <raphink> yes I know OdyX
[11:46] <raphink> yet the kubuntu-default-settings package is still versioned 6.04
[11:46] <raphink> so I'm wondering if we should move it
[11:46] <raphink> Riddell: ping ?
[12:02] <raphink> Riddell: is it ok to have tabs always shown in Kopete as Tm_T proposed ? that would have it behave like konqui, konsole, konvi, etc.
[12:07] <raphink> I'll commit it
[12:07] <raphink> seems very logical and not done only because it was not found so far
[12:08] <raphink> Tm_T: change committed
[12:09] <raphink> thanks for the tip
[12:24] <seaLne> can anyone else have a quick try of #36926 ?
[12:24] <Riddell> allee: ~ is allowed in the archive
[12:25] <seaLne> Ubugtu: #36926
[12:25] <Riddell> raphink: it should probably be 6.06 now, tabs always on is fine with me
[12:25] <allee> Riddell: cool!  I'm a '~' fan.  Thx for the info
[12:25] <seaLne> Ubugtu: malone #36926
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36926 in kdenetwork kopete "Crash when installing a new smilies theme" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36926
[12:25] <raphink> ok I committed with 6.04
[12:25] <raphink> Riddell:   QString kdeHomePath = getenv( "KDEHOME" ); is that correct to you? it doesn't seem to work
[12:26] <Riddell> raphink: where?
[12:26] <raphink> in speedcrunch
[12:26] <raphink> it's supposed to return the ~/.kde
[12:26] <raphink> but it doesn't seem to work
[12:26] <Riddell> well KDEHOME isn't always set
[12:26] <raphink> what should be used instead ?
[12:27] <Riddell> why does speedcrunch need ~/.kde?  it's a qt only app
[12:27] <Riddell> it should use KDE libs to find it
[12:27] <raphink> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/626649
[12:28] <raphink> theorically it should use .kde/share/config for speedcrunchrc according to this
[12:28] <raphink> but it doesn't find the variable
[12:29] <raphink> and obviously as you pointed out it should not use kdelibs since it's a qt only app
[12:30] <Riddell> seaLne: installed fine for me
[12:31] <seaLne> Riddell: you're 352 i presume?
[12:31] <raphink> Riddell: is there a way it could detect the KDEHOME properly?
[12:31] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[12:32] <Riddell> raphink: that's totally wrong, KDEHOME when set is ~ not ~/.kde/
[12:32] <raphink> ah
[12:32] <raphink> really?
[12:32] <seaLne> Riddell: so you got no error and could use the emoticons fine?
[12:32] <Riddell> it's a qt app, it should use ~/.qt/!
[12:32] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[12:32] <raphink> well it doesn't
[12:32] <raphink> currently it puts the config in ~/.speedcrunch
[12:33] <Tm_T> raphink: yay!
[12:33] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, it prolly "fixes" one Kopete bug too that tab setting
[12:34] <raphink> hehe
[12:34] <raphink> you're welcome to provide more fixes :)
[12:34] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:34] <raphink> there's a very bad one lately
[12:34] <raphink> with the peripherals tab in config
[12:34] <Tm_T> yeah, actually I'm taking more and more responsibility about Kopete's chatwindow behaviour ;)
[12:35] <raphink> :)
[12:35] <raphink> nice
[12:37] <raphink> there is something weird with speedcrunch
[12:37] <raphink> really is
[12:37] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120302 <- that's one of those little annoyances
[12:38] <Tm_T> but now out out ->
[12:40] <raphink> this is horrible code
[12:40] <raphink> they define default settings
[12:40] <raphink> then override them in the load functions
[12:40] <raphink> function
[12:41] <raphink> and the program inserts a default history too
[12:41] <raphink> so when you open it, there's already some commands in history
[12:59] <superstoned> -> kopete 0.12 beta 2 is COOL (fixes for example the 'history window is too wide' bug, and has less 'this is not supported' and such error messages, also better icons). second, krandrtray has a screen settings option, which doesn't work as it doesn't call guidance but gives a blank window.
[01:00] <superstoned> i know its late, there is some freezing stuff and such, but if kopete 0.12 is out, i think it might very well fix more bugs than in introduces - why not introduce 0.12-beta2 to dapper now, so it can get some testing?
[01:01] <superstoned> the webcam support is a must-have, imho
[01:01] <Riddell> we can't add kopete beta if we don't know the final thing will get in
[01:01] <superstoned> i've run SVN for some time, worked great for me (its not that 0.11.1 is so stable...)
[01:01] <Riddell> patches to krandrtray very welcome
[01:01] <superstoned> hmmm, yeah, i understand that
[01:02] <superstoned> and i could have a look at krandrtray, but i have no C++ experience at all (except for looking to get rid of the inner line in plastic windec a few days ago)
[01:02] <superstoned> but i'll have a look
[01:02] <superstoned> Unable to find a source package for krandrtray
[01:07] <superstoned> should be in kdebase...
[01:08] <Tm_T> superstoned: btw I'm doing 0.12 beta2 package to dapper
[01:08] <superstoned> cool
[01:08] <superstoned> Tm_T do you know when they are going to release 0.12?
[01:08] <Tm_T> prolly have something more polished today
[01:08] <superstoned> (i installed it from sources, btw)
[01:09] <Tm_T> superstoned: I do, more than a month still, iirc
[01:09] <Tm_T> might have rc in 2 or 3 weeks
[01:09] <superstoned> so it would be close if we tried to get it in kubuntu. hmmmm
[01:10] <superstoned> jonathan is right, then, we can have a look at it later, but for now - better not.
[01:10] <Tm_T> all depends how fast we get testing and fixes ;)
[01:10] <Tm_T> I'll look some of the bugs today
[01:10] <Tm_T> or alteast try =)
[01:10] <OdyX> Tm_T: in fact.. could some of tester install it for testing ?
[01:10] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[01:10] <Tm_T> OdyX: yeah
[01:11] <Tm_T> OdyX: I do have nonpolished package
[01:11] <superstoned> Tm_T well, again, it looks great, and i've been running SVN for some time back when i used gentoo (not that long ago :D) so it would be cool if we got it in. MSN is a really important function for linux, at least in the netherlands (where i live).
[01:11] <Tm_T> OdyX: Dapper & KDE 3.5.2 required to this I think: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/kopete_3.5.2-kopete0.12-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:11] <OdyX> would it be useful to have some outer look ? Give the deb...
[01:11] <raphink> Riddell: could you please reactivate kubuntu_49_xkb_path.diff in kdebase ? it has not been fixed in KDE it seems ...
[01:12] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah, I think Kopete is one of the crucial KDE apps
[01:12] <Tm_T> and 0.12 is <3
[01:12] <OdyX> Tm_T:  You should have wrong MIME declaration on your website... My Dapper Kubuntu opens it with Kate...
[01:13] <superstoned> Tm_T the only thing i miss in kopete is a quick and easy way to login for a new user. so someone (a friend) comes in, wants to see HIS msn list, and... gets stuck (now).
[01:13] <Tm_T> OdyX: rightclick and download
[01:13] <Tm_T> OdyX: oh...wget!
[01:13] <OdyX> Tm_T: konversation doesn't provide that...
[01:13] <Tm_T> OdyX: copy url and wget it, sure way
[01:13] <Tm_T> now out again ->
[01:13] <superstoned> rmb and copy to clipboard, alt-f2 wget (paste) enter
[01:14] <OdyX> Tm_T: done
[01:16] <verwilst> Tm_T: oh, kopete 0.12 beta2?
[01:16] <raphink> argh that's stupid
[01:16] <raphink> lol
[01:17] <superstoned> can't dpkg replace kopete from kde 3.5.2 with this beta? (i get overwrite complaints)
[01:17] <superstoned>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.la', which is also in package kdenetwork-dev
[01:18] <raphink> Riddell: ignore my request ;)
[01:59] <Tm_T> verwilst: yeah
[02:00] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah, problem is Kopete is mean't to used by current user only
[02:12] <Tm_T> hmm, in general, does new package remove all files what old package contained?
[02:12] <Tm_T> I mean installing new packae
[02:12] <Tm_T> g
[02:15] <seaLne> it removes whatever the old package says it installed
[02:22] <Tm_T> good
[02:34] <Lure> hi Hobbsee 
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[02:34] <Lure> Hobbsee: can you add your laptop to list of tested systems to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[02:36] <Tm_T> this is fun, copy-paste stuff ;)
[02:37] <verwilst> somebody was going to update the kopete 0.12 beta2 packages on kopete.kde.org
[02:37] <verwilst> but i don't know who anymore :d
[02:39] <Tm_T> verwilst: me or andred
[02:39] <Tm_T> prolly andred ;)
[02:39] <Tm_T> andred: right?
[02:39] <verwilst> uh yeah, could be :d
[02:39] <Tm_T> hehe
[02:40] <Tm_T> verwilst: I recommend svn ;)
[02:40] <verwilst> Tm_T: sure, if you make me a dapperdeb out of that too
[02:40] <verwilst> :
[02:40] <verwilst> :p
[02:43] <Tm_T> haha
[02:43] <andred> Tm_T: verwilst: http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/kopete_0.12-beta2-1_i386.deb
[02:43] <andred> but it's not "polished", to speak in your words :)
[02:43] <Tm_T> I'm bit confused with debian/menu file
[02:45] <Tm_T> should I care about it really?
[02:45] <Tm_T> icon part is... uhm
[02:54] <Tm_T> ugh
[05:21] (Tm_T/#kubuntu-devel) I mean, if I have sgml file, I can safely rename it to .dockbook ?
[05:21] (Riddell/#kubuntu-devel) Tm_T: docbook is an SGML (anld XML) language
[05:21] (Tm_T/#kubuntu-devel) ok
[05:21] (Tm_T/#kubuntu-devel) hmm
[05:22] (Riddell/#kubuntu-devel) Tm_T: if it's a docbook file you can
[05:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: atleast docbook-to-man turns it to manpage :p
[05:23] <Tm_T> I'm trying to include docbookpage to kopete package
[05:24] <Riddell> seaLne: fix the kerry package and I'll upload it, that might kick the archives :)
[05:24] <seaLne> whats broken? the desktop?
[05:25] <mornfall> Riddell: how am i supposed to track the packages? syncs etc
[05:25] <mornfall> if i am not the owner
[05:25] <mornfall> (the other option is to use = in builddeps)
[05:27] <Riddell> mornfall: ubuntu doesn't have owners, most developers subscribe to dapper-changes and filter on stuff they're interested in
[05:27] <Riddell> which of course suck if you're only interested in one package
[05:28] <mornfall> hmm
[05:29] <Tm_T> actually... I think I have it all already in
[05:30] <mornfall> Riddell: well, i don't know
[05:31] <Riddell> mornfall: easiest would be to find a version of debtags that likes libapt-=front 0.3.7 and ask for upstream freeze exfception for it
[05:32] <seaLne> Riddell: beagled.desktop, 2 menu entries, anything else?
[05:33] <mornfall> Riddell: apparently there never was such a version
[05:33] <mornfall> i did not include debtags in the freeze plan, hmm
[05:34] <mornfall> since there are no owners there's noone in charge of debtags in ubuntu right?
[05:35] <mornfall> the only idea i have is to patch up kubuntu's debtags to either compile with 0.3.7 or ship its own copy of apt-front
[05:36] <Riddell> seaLne: Makefile,.am needs changed to put the shutdown script in /usr/bin not /usr/shutdown
[05:37] <Riddell> mornfall: nobody is incharge of debtags, but I've been poked to fix it since I broke it by uploading the new libapt-front
[05:37] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ <- polished and all
[05:37] <Riddell> seaLne: it may just need make -f admin/Makefile.common run on it
[05:38] <Riddell> mornfall: maybe we should get an upstream freeze exception for libapt-front to 0.3.8?
[05:38] <mornfall> Riddell: no
[05:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: there's Kopete package 'n' stuff, I hope it's good enough to start
[05:38] <mornfall> Riddell: 0.3.8 has lots of changes that are very not suitable for a frozen distribution
[05:39] <mornfall> Riddell: the problem is noone ever ported debtags to 0.3.7 -- enrico is not particularly interested in ubuntu and i forgot about that
[05:40] <mornfall> Riddell: so, umm, get the previous ubuntu libapt-front, rebuild it as libapt-front-0.3.foo-dev and make debtags build-depend on that?
[05:41] <mornfall> the libapt-front -dev packages can conflict with each other
[05:41] <mornfall> that way you have everything buildable without big changes in code
[05:45] <Tm_T> verwilst: ping
[05:45] <mornfall> (just a bit OT)
[05:46] <verwilst> Tm_T: PONG
[05:46] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, if you will want to decide so...
[05:47] <Tm_T> verwilst: polished deb, please test ;) http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/kopete_3.5.2-kopete0.12-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:47] <mornfall> Riddell: apt-front (and therefore adept in future versions) will be probably made apt-independent
[05:47] <verwilst> oh, haven't installed it yet
[05:47] <verwilst> could you mail this URL to bart@verwilst.be?
[05:47] <mornfall> Riddell: so even if ubuntu switches to smart, you may decide to use adept-based tools for kubuntu
[05:47] <Riddell> mornfall: so you suggest having two libapt-fronts in the archive?
[05:47] <verwilst> i'm going home from work now ;)
[05:47] <mornfall> Riddell: yes, what else?
[05:48] <mornfall> Riddell: apt-front changes incompatibly every minor revision
[05:48] <mornfall> in debian, we have it under control, no big problems
[05:48] <Tm_T> verwilst: sure
[05:48] <Riddell> having a copy of libapot-front in the debtags package sounds nicer 
[05:48] <mornfall> Riddell: will be extra work bending the makefiles
[05:49] <Riddell> yes :(
[05:49] <mornfall> Riddell: not too hard i guess, you should be able to just copy apt-front/ into debtags/
[05:49] <verwilst> smart?
[05:49] <verwilst> is that non-deb?
[05:50] <verwilst> or just non-apt-get?
[05:50] <Riddell> mornfall: what's the reason for making libapt-front not use apt?
[05:50] <mornfall> Riddell: then add it as first SUBDIRS = component, change -lapt-front to ../apt-front/libapt-front.la
[05:50] <mornfall> Riddell: and rip out the part of configure.ac that looks for apt-front
[05:50] <Riddell> verwilst: just non-apt (it can also use rpm)
[05:51] <mornfall> Riddell: i am working on making this kind of module aggregation supported in the system, so exactly this situation can be solved easily in the future
[05:51] <verwilst> ieeeeuuww
[05:51] <verwilst> please don't bring rpm into ubuntu :(
[05:51] <mornfall> Riddell: as for not using apt -- i want to rewrite the binary index, at which point the apt dependency can be fairly easily removed
[05:52] <mornfall> Riddell: it will stay compatible with debian apt on all other levels though
[05:52] <mornfall> verwilst: actually, why not? it'd be a kind of painful transition
[05:52] <mornfall> verwilst: but for what its worth, rpm is probably better than dpkg
[05:53] <Tm_T> verwilst: sent
[05:53] <verwilst> mornfall: the spec files suck donkey balls :p
[05:53] <verwilst> well, got to run home!
[05:53] <verwilst> see ya!
[05:54] <raphink> Riddell: did you get my patch?
[05:54] <Riddell> raphink: which?
[05:54] <raphink> the kxkb patch 
[05:54] <mornfall> verwilst disappeared...
[05:54] <raphink> that I sent about a hour ago
[05:54] <Riddell> raphink: nope
[05:54] <raphink> ah
[05:54] <raphink> ...
[05:54] <raphink> weird
[05:54] <Riddell> mornfall: poor guy, he'll be thinking we're changing to RPM now
[05:54] <raphink> I sent it to jriddell@u.c an hour ago
[05:55] <mornfall> i'm not a big fan of rpm (it uses bdb afterall), but dpkg is not very good either
[05:55] <Tm_T> whooops
[05:55] <mornfall> i need to get ac cable
[05:56] <Riddell> raphink: yes, got it
[05:56] <raphink> :)
[05:57] <mornfall> so what now
[06:00] <Tm_T> heh, cleaning more package and signing it, of all this I blame my medication ;)
[06:01] <Tm_T> need some time to get used to it
[06:06] <seaLne> bah i can't even get kerry to build
[06:07] <seaLne> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper script, e.g. makeobj!!!
[06:07] <seaLne> unsermake install
[06:07] <seaLne> Wrong parameters.
[06:07] <seaLne> Usage: unsermake [OPTION]  ... [dir] ...
[06:07] <Riddell> seaLne: remove unsermake
[06:08] <seaLne> i didn't not remove it tho
[06:09] <Tm_T> nooo
[06:10] <Tm_T> UNSERMAKE=no make blah blah
[06:10] <seaLne> Riddell: sorry can you expand on that?
[06:10] <hunger> ?
[06:10] <Tm_T> seaLne: 
[06:10] <Riddell> seaLne: apt-get remove unsermake
[06:10] <seaLne> ah ok :)
[06:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: why to remove it if you can disable it?
[06:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: that unsermake variable never works for me, but seaLne can try that too :)
[06:11] <Tm_T> heh
[06:11] <Tm_T> it works just fine here
[06:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: is there a patch for the shutdown path in Maklefile.am already there?
[06:12] <Riddell> seaLne: not tm	
[06:12] <Tm_T> like UNSERMAKE=no make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure && make && sudo make install
[06:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: ?
[06:12] <seaLne> Riddell: there was but as far as i can see jpatrick never enabled dpatch
[06:12] <Tm_T> patch for shutdown path?
[06:12] <Tm_T> aah
[06:14] <Riddell> seaLne: ah, that'll be the problem then :)
[06:14] <seaLne> but added the desktop patch aswell
[06:19] <seaLne> hmm my 2nd patch (desktop) dosen't seem to be being applied
[06:20] <Riddell> if it's dpatch it'll need to be in the 00list file
[06:20] <seaLne> could it be because the second patch refers to something that was changed in the first patch?
[06:20] <verwilst> Tm_T: still on beta1 ;)
[06:21] <verwilst> since your deb needs kde 3.5.2
[06:21] <verwilst> and i don't have that yet
[06:23] <Riddell> seaLne: that won't be ewhy
[06:24] <Tm_T> verwilst: why not ;)
[06:32] <verwilst> mirrors not synced yet i guess
[06:35] <Tm_T> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main  ;)
[06:36] <verwilst> isn't it in the main repo?
[06:39] <kmon> Riddell: are you uploading full kde 3.5.2 or just the language packages?
[06:39] <hunger> verwilst: Not yet.
[06:40] <hunger> verwilst: Yesterday I was told that it was not released yet, so it can't get into dapper at that time.
[06:40] <verwilst> oh
[06:40] <hunger> verwilst: Maybe today that will be different;-)
[06:42] <Riddell> kmon: I'm waiting on an upstream version freeze exception discusion from mdz
[06:43] <hunger> verwilst: Oh, there is this version freeze thingy on dapper, too:-) I keep forgetting that.
[06:43] <Riddell> kmon: but the rosetta dudes wanted language pack updates, so I've uploaded them today
[06:43] <verwilst> ah
[06:43] <verwilst> that's what i saw then :)
[06:43] <kmon> Riddell: ok, thanks.
[06:44] <kmon> Riddell: how is espresso doing?
[06:45] <seaLne> ok what am i missing from the rules file that happily tries to remove the patches but dosen't ever say that it has applied them?
[06:45] <robotgeek> Riddell: running 3.5.2 with no noticable problems
[06:46] <kmon> me too
[06:46] <Riddell> kmon: slowish, working on it this week, I'm now merged with gtk side so can get back to adding missing features
[06:46] <Riddell> seaLne: what's in the rules file to do the patching?
[06:46] <kmon> The new kicker stacked tray icons are weird....
[06:46] <Riddell> robotgeek: dapper, i386?
[06:46] <kmon> I don't get used to it
[06:46] <seaLne> the stuff mentioned in man dpatch
[06:47] <robotgeek> Riddell: dapper, ppc
[06:47] <Riddell> robotgeek: ah, great :)
[06:47] <robotgeek> Riddell: yes, i am your unique testing group :)
[06:48] <seaLne> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627106
[06:48] <robotgeek> i think you have ppc box, so does raphink and freefyling too
[06:49] <kmon> I'm testing it on 2 amd64 machines, everything is fine so far, no mayor bug
[06:49] <Riddell> seaLne: looks like build: needs to depend on patch
[06:49] <seaLne> how?
[06:49] <hunger> Riddell: I am fine with kde 3.5.2 on dapper/i386 as well.
[06:50] <Tm_T> ok, making samepackage third time...
[06:51] <Riddell> seaLne: change "build: build-stamp" to "build: build-stamp patch"
[06:51] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: kde3.5.2 works finee on my ibook 
[06:51] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: did i ping you accidentally, sorry
[06:52] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: you were having problems with konqueror and qt 3.3.6?
[06:52] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: not at all :)
[06:53] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: seems due to beagle 's index , haven't got it today, for I stop beagle
[06:54] <Riddell> curious
[06:54] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I'd try it on my i386 box later 
[06:54] <robotgeek> i'm also running beagle, what problem did you have freeflying-ibook 
[06:54] <seaLne> Riddell: k, sorry
[06:55] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: konqueror crash often yestoday on a i386 box
[06:55] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: oh, i thought on the ppc box
[06:57] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: I didn't notice konqui crashing yet.
[06:58] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: Have been using it on x86 continuously since yesterday as a web browser.
[06:58] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: you using qt-3.3.6+kde-3.5.2?
[06:58] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: I upgraded to kde352 yesterday. Dunno about qt, but I assume that came with the update.
[06:59] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: Or is that in a different repository?
[06:59] <kmon> I can't play dvd's anymore on my computers (both amd64) does anyone here has the same bug?
[06:59] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: qt-3.3.6 in my ftp , so you didn't got it upgrade
[07:00] <kmon> I could play them a few days ago...
[07:00] <kmon> so there has to be an update that broke it
[07:00] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: Oh... so where do I get that?
[07:00] <hunger> Why don't you have *one* experimental repository for kubuntu?
[07:01] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying
[07:01] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: I'm too lazy ,hmh :)
[07:02] <hunger> Having freeflying-ibook: You need to upload the stuff anyway...
[07:02] <hunger> and it would help clarify the installed base when people come here to complain.
[07:04] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: these just for test , so ...
[07:04] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: I can't apt-get from your site.
[07:04] <hunger> freeflying-ibook: So I am too lazy to test.
[07:04] <freeflying-ibook> hunger: hehe
[07:06] <kmon> Riddell: it has just started working.... ???
[07:08] <kmon> Riddell: ok, the bug happens when I select play dvd with kaffeine fom the kde autostart menu
[07:08] <kmon> so this could be related to kde 3.5.2
[07:09] <kmon> Can someone verify this?: Insert a dvd and try to play it from the kde autostart action that says play dvd with kaffeine
[07:10] <verwilst> Tm_T: installed it
[07:10] <Tm_T> verwilst: good
[07:10] <Tm_T> wait a moment and download again =)
[07:11] <verwilst> :p
[07:12] <kmon> anyone has tried to play a dvd with kaffeine from the autostart menu?
[07:12] <kmon> with kde 3.5.2
[07:13] <hunger> kmon: Send me one and I'll try;-)
[07:14] <kmon> where do I file a bug about kde 3.5.2 packages?
[07:15] <seaLne> here
[07:15] <kmon> Ok, the I suppose I have already done it :)
[07:20] <Tonio_> hi all ;)
[07:20] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ 
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: wlassistant and kmplayer are in universe, you can now ask for main inclusion
[07:20] <kmon> hi Tonio_
[07:20] <verwilst> wlassistant rules!
[07:20] <verwilst> it's such a pretty app
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on kerry toonight
[07:21] <kmon> wlassistant? Isn't knetworkmanager better?
[07:21] <verwilst> bleh, it's ugly :p
[07:21] <verwilst> most kde apps looks unprofessional
[07:21] <verwilst> :)
[07:21] <verwilst> but there are exceptions ;)
[07:21] <robotgeek> kmon: knetworkmanager donesn't work on ppc :)
[07:22] <kmon> :(
[07:22] <hunger> Tonio_: I found beagle not worth the trouble of having.
[07:22] <verwilst> kmail, konqueror and wlassistant being some of the professional-looking ones :)
[07:22] <kmon> does wlassistant work with wpa?
[07:22] <hunger> Tonio_: It wasts tons of space and then does not find the stuff I have.
[07:22] <verwilst> and konversation ofcourse
[07:22] <verwilst> brb, food
[07:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: seaLne may well beat you to kerry
[07:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy doing main inclusion reports?
[07:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't now the process, but I'll do with pleasure :)
[07:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: any link explaining he process ?
[07:24] <hunger> Tonio_: The new beagle deb has the desktop file for kde by the way.
[07:24] <seaLne> sorry i'm not getting anywhere with this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627170
[07:24] <Tonio_> hunger: I know, I personally asked for it :)
[07:24] <hunger> Tonio_: So you can get that removed from kio-beagle and kerry.
[07:24] <Tonio_> hunger: new kio-beagle is already without it, and I have to do kerry toonight :)
[07:25] <seaLne> Tonio_: i'm working on kerry just now
[07:25] <hunger> Tonio_: I don't care :-)
[07:25] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm aware of that since I'm responsible for the beagle modification :) slomo did that due to my ask
[07:25] <Tonio_> seaLne: great ;)
[07:25] <seaLne> except for my slight problem with dpatch, see http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627170
[07:25] <hunger> Tonio_: I deinstalled beagle again.
[07:25] <Tonio_> seaLne: let me know if you got issue with it
[07:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: see UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[07:25] <robotgeek> Tonio_: kio-beagle is working great for me
[07:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;) so I ask for both wlassistant and kmplayer, right ?
[07:26] <seaLne> Tonio_: i have nfi what i'm doing wrong with dpatch to get that error
[07:26] <Tm_T> verwilst: uploading (hopefully) last one
[07:26] <Tonio_> robotgeek: kio-beagle is very nice :) revu needed on this plz !!!!!!!!
[07:26] <robotgeek> i liked it better than kerry, actually
[07:26] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'm coming back in 15 minutes, and we're going to look at that :)
[07:27] <hunger> Tonio_: Both kerry and kio-beagle worked fine here.
[07:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[07:27] <hunger> Tonio_: Beagle didn't, so that was kind of useless, but the frontends worked fine.
[07:29] <kmon> Tonio_: are you going to change kmplayer for kaffeine?
[07:31] <kmon> bye
[07:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: what else is needed related to Kopete 0.12 ?
[07:37] <Lure> Tonio_: I am running this on knm r5961 ;-)
[07:37] <Tm_T> verwilst: now it's perfect, redownload
[07:45] <Tonio_> seaLne: still problems with kerry ?
[07:46] <seaLne> yep
[07:47] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627180 when i try to debuild
[07:47] <Tonio_> hum....... want help when I'm finished with knetworkmanager ?
[07:47] <Tonio_> let me check
[07:47] <Tonio_> seaLne: building in a pbuilder ?
[07:47] <seaLne> debian/rules: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627233
[07:48] <Tonio_> or direct debuild ?
[07:48] <seaLne> no just normally just now
[07:48] <Tonio_> seaLne: do you have all build deps installed (like cdbs and build-essential) ?
[07:48] <Tonio_> hum, okay, debhelper package :)
[07:48] <Tonio_> did you install dpatch ?
[07:48] <seaLne> it dosen't use cdbs, but i have all the usual stuff yeah
[07:48] <seaLne> yep
[07:49] <Tonio_> seaLne: tried in a pbuilder environement ?
[07:49] <seaLne> nope, but if it dosen't build outside is it likely to?
[07:50] <Tonio_> seaLne: if it builds in pbuilder and not locally, that's the evidence you have a local builddep issue :)
[07:50] <Tonio_> I personnaly only use pbuilder
[07:51] <Tonio_> seaLne: can you email me the source package ?
[07:51] <Tonio_> tonio@ubuntu.com
[07:51] <Tonio_> I'll have a look
[07:51] <seaLne> nfs /home without no_root_squash makes that idea annoying
[07:51] <seaLne> Tonio_: what exactly do you want mailed?
[07:51] <Tonio_> seaLne: orig, dsc, diff
[07:52] <Tonio_> that's all I need
[07:55] <seaLne> got them?
[07:56] <Lure> Tonio_: should ftp account still work on kubuntu.no-ip.org?
[07:59] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume yes
[07:59] <Tonio_> Lure: didn't receive your patches, I'm rebuilding them, will be finished in 2 minutes
[08:00] <Lure> Tonio_: I will just send you one additional (compile problem with n-m 0.6.1)
[08:02] <Tonio_> Lure: sure :)
[08:04] <Lure> Tonio_: in your mailbox...
[08:07] <seaLne> Tonio_: not very surprisingly it didn't build in pbuilder either
[08:08] <seaLne> Tonio_: i'll be back online in about 40min
[08:14] <vandenoever> hello, i've an application that would be great for kubuntu
[08:14] <vandenoever> how do i propose it?
[08:15] <Lure> Tonio_: got my patch?
[08:15] <Riddell> (vandenoever: tonio might be good to poke)
[08:15] <vandenoever> the program is here:
[08:15] <hunger> vandenoever: There is a page in the wiki for suggesting stuff.
[08:16] <vandenoever> http://www.vandenoever.info/software/cubetest/
[08:16] <hunger> vandenoever: Plus nagging people here usually helps;-)
[08:16] <vandenoever> hunger: thanks
[08:16] <vandenoever> all: oh please please include it
[08:16] <vandenoever> it's a great app: i won a penguin with it
[08:16] <vandenoever> in a competition for school software
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: vandenoeverI'm a bit busy actually, but I'll have a look in about an hour :)
[08:17] <hunger> vandenoever: I think you should target edubuntu with that:-)
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: just finished repatching ;)
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm adding your patch now
[08:17] <Lure> Tonio_: do not forget to drop noVPN patch
[08:17] <vandenoever> hunger: good point. it's nice for a brake in office work too though
[08:19] <hunger> vandenoever: So which cube is it?
[08:19] <Tonio_> Lure: sure :)
[08:19] <vandenoever> hunger: hehe
[08:20] <Tonio_> Lure: still didn't receive the third patch
[08:20] <Tonio_> is it big diff ? can you pastebin plz ?
[08:20] <hunger> vandenoever: no, it's no. 4.
[08:20] <Tonio_> I want that knetworkmanager finished quickly :)
[08:20] <vandenoever> hunger: lemme check
[08:20] <Tonio_> I have somany todo things on my list now.........
[08:20] <vandenoever> by the way i just heard there's already a deb package:
[08:21] <vandenoever> ftp://lorien.mornfall.net/ekhis/pool/main/c/cubetest
[08:21] <Lure> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627295
[08:21] <Lure> it is easy one (just remove keyType)
[08:21] <vandenoever> hunger: yes, it's 4
[08:21] <Tonio_> Lure: patch name ?
[08:21] <Tonio_> don't know what it does actually :)
[08:22] <vandenoever> hunger: you win the right to distrubute the code :-)
[08:22] <Lure> kubuntu_04_keyType.patch
[08:22] <Lure> it removes n-m 0.6.2 specific APi change
[08:22] <Lure> as we only have n-m 0.6.1 currently
[08:22] <Lure> maybe revertAPIchange.patch would be better
[08:23] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[08:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just looking at VPN stuff - this will need more work (SuSE specific paths)
[08:26] <Lure> it porbably make sense that we work with mbiebl and other debian guys on this...
[08:28] <Tonio_> Lure: you mean there are lots of modifications to add on the vpn part ?
[08:29] <Lure> not sure, will need to understand VPN better to be able to do it properly (similar to DialUp)
[08:29] <Tonio_> Lure: we can first test the package :)
[08:29] <Tonio_> Lure: it is just building
[08:29] <Lure> look at knetworkmanager-vpn.cpp - first defines for config files are not promising
[08:30] <Tonio_> Lure: we'll see ;)
[08:30] <Lure> This is what Timo mentioned, and we will need to work on it with debian guys and then send upstream
[08:30] <Lure> Timo said that he will take patches if we contribute back
[08:30] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[08:30] <Lure> (as he planned to work on this, but no time)
[08:31] <Lure> for now, we just try to get this in - not sure if such code can slow down acceptance though
[08:32] <Tonio_> Lure: hum........ in any case we can add knetworkmanager without vpn support
[08:32] <Tonio_> but having vpn would be great
[08:32] <Lure> exactly
[08:33] <Tonio_> Lure: binaries aren't in......
[08:33] <Tonio_> we should wait one or two hours maybe
[08:33] <Tonio_> still ftbfs, but I can see the packages in Release file
[08:34] <Lure> Tonio_: they have at least built: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/180455
[08:34] <Tonio_> Lure: switching to kerry, and back in an hour to finish knetworkmanager
[08:34] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, we just need repos to sync
[08:34] <Lure> Tonio_: is kerry already in universe?
[08:34] <Tonio_> Lure: I think so
[08:35] <Lure> nice
[08:35] <Lure> that was fast
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: but requires update
[08:35] <Lure> desktop file?
[08:35] <Tonio_> yes Kamion is speed of light actually :)
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[08:35] <Lure> you want to push knm to universe to?
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: needs to build first, to be tested in the second place
[08:36] <Tonio_> if vpn is crappy, we may patch to remove vpn before.......
[08:36] <Tonio_> I don't want to have a crappy package
[08:36] <Lure> I have built it here and it works great - there are new notification messages
[08:36] <Tonio_> once added, we can upload 0ubunu2 without manual approval
[08:36] <Tonio_> means it will be fast
[08:36] <Lure> Tonio_: then you should drom VPN - I am sure it will not work as-is
[08:36] <Tonio_> and if we got good patch for vpn, we can re-add functionnality before dapper is out
[08:37] <Tonio_> Lure: we can make a test no ?
[08:37] <Tonio_> I have an openvpn server to test ;)
[08:37] <Lure> we can, as some reports in forums (with nm-applet) were positive
[08:37] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[08:37] <Tonio_> I don't see why there would be path problems......
[08:37] <Tonio_> dependancy, I can understand, but why path ?
[08:38] <Lure> no /etc/NetworkManager/VPN on ubuntu....
[08:38] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe ;)
[08:38] <Tonio_> true
[08:38] <Lure> not to mention that vpn stuff is gtk bases only with gconf.
[08:39] <Tonio_> even with knetworkmanager ?
[08:39] <Lure> Tonio_: it seems so - knm calls gtk-based vpn front-ends
[08:39] <Tonio_> Lure: anyway, we in kde already have kvpnc
[08:39] <Tonio_> works like a charm
[08:39] <Lure> I would like to see to understand how bad this is
[08:39] <Tonio_> so vpn in kdm is only "bonus"
[08:40] <Tonio_> as we have the best graphical linux vpn client already :)
[08:40] <Lure> Tonio_: does not help is n-m is not aware of it...
[08:40] <Tonio_> Lure: if you have wifi connection
[08:40] <Tonio_> you can use kvpnc thrue it and conect
[08:41] <Tonio_> that's only udp connection, nothing more :)
[08:41] <Tonio_> Lure: I already do that
[08:41] <vandenoever> Tonio_: i just plugged cubetest at edubuntu
[08:41] <vandenoever> can kubuntu stay behind?
[08:41] <Tonio_> Lure: knetworkmanager -> network ok -> kvpnc -> connection to my network with vpn
[08:41] <vandenoever> there's already a deb package :-)
[08:41] <Tonio_> Lure: where is the problem ?
[08:42] <Tonio_> you don't perform vpn with networkmanager, but as it is a pure network service, you can do it with any tool, as long as you are connected
[08:42] <Lure> Tonio_: idea is that knm does spawn eveything (I think)
[08:42] <vandenoever> Tonio_: ftp://lorien.mornfall.net/ekhis/pool/main/c/cubetest
[08:42] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but well.....
[08:42] <Tonio_> vandenoever: I'll have a look :)
[08:42] <Lure> but lets see what we get.. ;-)
[08:42] <Tonio_> Lure: so wait a bit for .deb to be available, I'm foccusing on kerry actually
[08:42] <vandenoever> Tonio_: great! ( i hope you don't become addicted)
[08:43] <Tonio_> vandenoever: we'll see :)
[08:43] <Tonio_> vandenoever: I'm a kind of toys lover, and a geek, so that's fairly possible
[08:43] <Tonio_> ^^
[08:43] <vandenoever> hehe
[08:44] <Lure> Riddell: didn't we have some volunteers to do KDE part of DapperFlight6 page (what is new in Kubuntu)?
[08:44] <Riddell> Lure: we had one, havn't seen him around since he volunteered
[08:44] <Riddell> bkjones
[08:44] <Riddell> is on #kubuntu
[08:45] <jjesse> did you ping him lure?
[08:45] <Lure> it would be nice, but I am not volunteering ;)
[08:45] <jjesse> i haven't heard anything from him other then the original meeting
[08:49] <kwwii> howdy
[08:49] <Lure> kwwii: hi
[08:49] <jjesse> is there something special i have to do use k3b not as a sudo user?  cdrecord does not have access to the device if i start it normally
[08:51] <Tonio_> jjesse: use advanced settings, and simply apply, that will add the good rights to use it as standard user
[08:52] <seaLne> Tonio_: had a chance to look at kerry?
[08:52] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'm building the package
[08:52] <Tonio_> I still didn't receive your mail, so I did the patch myself, and I'm testing
[08:53] <Tonio_> seaLne: it appears my mailbox is broken for some reason......
[08:53] <Tonio_> pbuilder seems to patch correctly :)
[08:53] <Tonio_> is .deb is cleaned from .desktop entry, I'll upload in a few minutes
[08:53] <Tonio_> then I'll look at vandenoever's app
[08:54] <Tonio_> and then ask for main inclusion for wlassistant and kmplayer, and then go back to finish stuff on knm :)
[08:54] <seaLne> Tonio_: you did beagled.desktop and shutdown script?
[08:54] <Tonio_> hard day in perspective ;)
[08:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: what is that shutdown script ?
[08:54] <Tonio_> I don't understand the need of it ?
[08:54] <seaLne> the script or it not going in /usr/shutdown ?
[08:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: can you detail a bit more plz ?
[08:55] <Tonio_> let me have a look at the package structure
[08:55] <Lure> kwwii: is there a plan that default theme will get a name (Kubuntu 6.06)?
[08:55] <seaLne> src/Makefile.am shutdowndir
[08:56] <Lure> kwwii: users are asking for older ones also (like Breezy)
[08:56] <Tonio_> seaLne: okay I can see it ;)
[08:56] <Tonio_> I'm adding this patch too then
[08:56] <Tonio_> seaLne: what is that shutdown script ?
[08:56] <seaLne> -shutdowndir = $(prefix)/shutdown
[08:56] <seaLne> +shutdowndir = $(prefix)/bin
[08:56] <seaLne> no idea
[08:56] <Tonio_> it shutsdown beagled........
[08:57] <Tonio_> is there any reason it shuts it down ?
[08:57] <Tonio_> is that manual control for beagle, or does shutting kerry shuts beagle ?
[08:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I messed powersave packages as they were wuilt on system with kde352
[09:00] <Lure> can I just rebuild in pbuilder somehow with original kde from dapper?
[09:03] <Tonio_> seaLne: actual package is wrong, packages don't apply........
[09:03] <_Sime> raphink: ping
[09:05] <Lure> Riddell, jjesse: just talked with bkjones - he will not be able to contribute as he thinks it is a bit complicated for him (wiki, where to get info...)
[09:08] <Riddell> wiki is complicated?
[09:09] <hunger> Riddell: It is once you forgot your password:-(
[09:10] <Lure> Riddell: whatever ;-)
[09:13] <Lure> Tonio_: is system:/ really fixed in kaffeine 0.8 http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kaffeine/ChangeLog?rev=523355&view=markup
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: nope........
[09:16] <Tonio_> :(
[09:16] <Tonio_> it is in the changelog I know, but doesn't work
[09:17] <Lure> Tonio_: how can I rebuild powersave with offical dapper kde, since I have kde352
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: wait for 3.5.2 to be official ??????
[09:17] <Lure> powersave now depends on kdelibs from 3.5.2
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: seriously, use pbuilder ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> it is done for this :)
[09:17] <Lure> can I somehow fix pbulder...
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: include 3.5.2 repo in pbuilder ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> that's it
[09:18] <jjesse> hmm when is flight6 supposed to come out? just trying to figure out if i could get it done and the kubuntu chapter for the book done at the same time
[09:18] <Lure> Tonio_: I would like to have 3.5.1 (official)
[09:18] <Lure> while still runnogn 352 (potentially)
[09:18] <Riddell> jjesse: tomorrow or thursday
[09:19] <jjesse> hmmm lots of changes? do i need to update the release notes?
[09:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm switching kerry to cdbs, the actual rule file is full debhelper and incomplete.....
[09:23] <Riddell> jjesse: not many changes
[09:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: go for it
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: no patch rules, and therefore, patches are not applied, and no kdepot patch for example...
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: is kerry supposed to reach main ?
[09:23] <seaLne> Tonio_: yeah i added dpatch stuff but it didn't work
[09:24] <Tonio_> seaLne: I must say I'm not very fine with pure debhelper rules files :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> cdbs is way better and simpler
[09:25] <seaLne> i've only used debhelper and kerry already was debhelpered...
[09:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, beagle isn't in main
[09:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's always useful to learn debhelper too, else you can't fix cdbs when it has problems
[09:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know it quite a bit, but I'm not, by far, a killer :)
[09:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's something I will have to spend time on after dapper release
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can read and understand a debhelper rule file, but I don't know how to, for example add dpatch stuff in it, since I always used simple-patchsys
[09:32] <Riddell> I've never used dpatch either, copy it from another package would be the way :)
[09:32] <Riddell> the pre-cdbs KDE packages used a for loop over the patches directory
[09:33] <hunger> Will knetworkmanager make it into the official repositories soon?
[09:33] <hunger> NM has landed but wants to uninstall kNM.
[09:34] <Lure> hunger: Tonio_ is working on the package - not sure how fast it can go in
[09:34] <seaLne> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627233 was the rules file i had but it seemed to be applying it to late and failing
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting, I'll have a look :)
[09:35] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'll cdbs the package anyway....... there is no reason a simple package doesn't use it
[09:35] <Tonio_> debhelper based rules is nice for complicated packages as far as I know
[09:35] <seaLne> i always thought cdbs was harder :)
[09:35] <Tonio_> seaLne: hum....... depends :)
[09:36] <Tonio_> seaLne: when standard rules don't wok, yes, that can be complicated :)
[09:36] <Tonio_> seaLne: ever tried cdbs in a scons package for example ? that's a nightmare :)
[09:37] <seaLne> heh nope
[09:39] <Tonio_> hunger: are deb files for nm available ?
[09:39] <Tonio_> they weren't a one hour ago
[09:39] <Riddell> yay, n-m 0.6.1 is in :)
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: .debs are not available here......
[09:40] <Tonio_> but there is a reference to the package
[09:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: try apt-get install libnm-util-0-dev
[09:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends on the mirror
[09:41] <Tonio_> fails, and though knetworkmanager ftbfs :)
[09:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do that after kerry is finished :)
[09:43] <Lure> Tonio_: is your knm source package already uploaded anywhere so that I can try to build?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload kerry directly, or do you want to revu it first ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Lure: gimme 10 minutes ;) I just finished with kerry and will restart
[09:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: presumably you only changed the rules file?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[09:47] <Tonio_> and rebuilt patches of course
[09:47] <Tonio_> nothing lese
[09:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends how confident you are that you got it right, put it in a pastebin if you want a quite review
[09:47] <Riddell> rebuilt patches?
[09:47] <Riddell> s/quite/quick/
[09:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm certain it is okay
[09:47] <Lure> Riddell: what is the plan with kde 352? include after Flight6?
[09:47] <Riddell> you mean you turned the patches from dpatch to normal patchse?
[09:47] <Riddell> Lure: it needs mdz to approve or decline the UVFe
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wrote new patches :) since there was no kdepot for example
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell:  http://pastebin.com/627450
[09:49] <Tonio_> here is the rule and patches
[09:49] <Tonio_> looked at the deb, and it is perfect, no more /usr/shutdown stuff, and no beagle autostart
[09:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you run buildprep or otherwise run Makefile.common?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no configure file in the package, and no makefile.cvs is there......
[09:51] <Riddell> no configure file?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope
[09:51] <Riddell> oh, I remember the package called Makefile.common itself
[09:51] <Tonio_> tarball is provided without
[09:52] <Riddell> (Makefile.cvs just calls admin/Makefile.common)
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but there is no Makefile.cvs in the package too :)
[09:52] <Tonio_> crappy, but that's it
[09:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: so you need the magic variable in the rules file that calls admin/Makefile.common
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> isn't makebuilddir rule not correct ?
[09:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah right, yes that's fine
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[09:53] <Riddell> the version of kde.mk used by the KDE packages has a variable you set to call that same thing
[09:54] <Riddell> so looks fine, go and upload
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the reason I wanted you to have a look before uploading, in case there was a better solution
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I will searchfor it later :) interesting ;)
[09:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm yours :)
[09:58] <Lure> Tonio_: build it! - it should work
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: nope, my mirror doesn't have debs still.......;
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: can I email you the source package ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: I can build using my repo, but I don't want to
[09:59] <Lure> which mirror? I have switched to archive directly because si. is to slow... ;-)
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: what mirror do you use ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> I am on archives too
[10:00] <Tonio_> but the ip is certainly different :)
[10:00] <Tonio_> round-robbin inside :)
[10:00] <Lure> but fr.archive or just archive?
[10:00] <Tonio_> ust archives
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: PING archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.151)
[10:00] <Tonio_> what IP do you get ?
[10:00] <Lure> 82.211.81.151 82.211.81.182
[10:00] <Tonio_> another one, that's the reason it doesn't work for me :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> you are certainly using 182
[10:01] <Tonio_> Lure: am I wrong ?
[10:01] <Lure> I do not get it - it is round-robin, but why you would have problems only...
[10:01] <Tonio_> Lure: wait, seems I just got it ;)
[10:02] <mornfall> Riddell: what about the mime type bug, btw?
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure: sudo apt-get install libnm-util-0-dev
[10:02] <Tonio_> does this one work for you ?
[10:02] <Tonio_> I have binaries for nm but no dev package available
[10:02] <Lure> Tonio_: it was renamed to 35509
[10:03] <Lure> libnm-util-dev
[10:03] <Lure> ;-)
[10:03] <Tonio_> Lure: why do I see -0 in apt-cache ?
[10:03] <Tonio_> messy.........
[10:03] <Lure> -dev packages: libnl-dev, libnm-glib-dev, libnm-util-dev, network-manager-dev
[10:04] <Lure> because you have your kubuntu.no-ip.org?
[10:04] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume I still have a few iformations comming from the old package
[10:04] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't
[10:04] <Tonio_> already removed, that's why I don't understand
[10:04] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, you should remove old -dev packages
[10:04] <Tonio_> Lure: so let's purge knetworkmanager and nm :)
[10:04] <Tonio_> seya in 3 minutes
[10:08] <Riddell> mornfall: I don't know where to begin, and I can't recreate it
[10:09] <mornfall> Riddell: well, there's a known workaround... but it's not what i call nice
[10:09] <mornfall> Riddell: (iow, removing the commandline arguments from .desktop file)
[10:11] <Riddell> mornfall: from adept's .desktop file?  how does that fix it?
[10:11] <mornfall> Riddell: i have no damn idea -- but it goes away
[10:11] <Riddell> crazy
[10:12] <mornfall> Riddell: i think it also goes away when you make the Exec read kdesu ... and not use change uid
[10:12] <Tonio__> Lure: deps are okay; building
[10:12] <mornfall> Riddell: someone here found that, i can't reproduce it either
[10:12] <mornfall> Tonio__?, raphink? i can't recall :-)
[10:12] <Tonio__> Riddell: we tested 2 days ago with mornfall, and the issue is there
[10:12] <Lure> Tonio_: can you do me a favour? Can you rebuild kpowersave in your pbuilder (kde 3.5.1) and put on your repo?
[10:12] <Tonio__> whatever the argument is
[10:12] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm, maybe it just goes away when you change anything causing kbuildsycoca runs again
[10:12] <Tonio__> Riddell: but with no argument, no error
[10:13] <Tonio__> mornfall: it was me :)
[10:13] <Tonio_> Lure: sure :)
[10:14] <Tonio_> Lure: can you add source package on my repo ?
[10:14] <Tonio_> I will apt-get source it
[10:14] <Tonio_> and build it
[10:14] <Lure> Tonio_: it is there
[10:14] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, wil do once knetworkmanager work is over
[10:14] <Lure> ok, thanks 
[10:15] <Tonio_> Lure: no need to rebuild powersave first ?
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm removing the nm stuff on my repo
[10:16] <Lure> you can if you want, but no kdelib dependancy there
[10:16] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, do it
[10:16] <Lure> just drop new n-m-kde there
[10:16] <Lure> (until we get offical one)
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: to be sure, do I need kde 3.5.2 or 3.5.1 to build kpowersave ?
[10:16] <Lure> 3.5.1
[10:16] <Tonio_> I'm a bit lost
[10:17] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;) you really should install a pbuilder chroot :)
[10:17] <raphink> Riddell: so you got my patch?
[10:17] <Tonio_> that helps
[10:17] <Tonio_> hello raphink :)
[10:17] <Lure> I cannot persuade my pbuilder to use 3.5.1 (it always picks packages from my apt-cache)
[10:17] <raphink> hi Tonio_
[10:17] <raphink> Lure: then pbuilder clean
[10:18] <Tonio_> Lure: remove 3.5.2 in /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list
[10:18] <Riddell> raphink: yes, I'll include it in 3.5.2 which I'm about to upload
[10:18] <Tonio_> and run sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[10:18] <raphink> and get sure your pbuilder is updated with --override-config
[10:18] <raphink> Riddell: to kubuntu.org or to dapper?
[10:18] <Tonio_> then it'll take the new sources.list in it's cache, and you will build with standard 3.5.1
[10:18] <Lure> hi Pygi 
[10:19] <Lure> Pygi: finally got n-m in  ;-)
[10:19] <Pygi> Lure: hi hi
[10:19] <Pygi> I haven't even joined the channel, and there you are already :P
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: hm, sec, lemme update
[10:20] <Riddell> raphink: dapper
[10:20] <kmon> If knetworkmanager doesn't build on powerpc, are you guys going to upload it to universe anyway?
[10:20] <raphink> Riddell: cool :)
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: whats the problem with knetworkmanager?
[10:20] <raphink> Riddell: is there a reason why we ship speedcrunch instead of kcalc ?
[10:20] <Lure> raphink: thanks - the "clean" step was missing...
[10:21] <Lure> Pygi: no problem - Tonio_ is building it and it will get into his repo
[10:21] <raphink> Lure: if you change your sources.list, you'll need to use pbuilder update --override-config
[10:21] <Riddell> raphink: it kicks kcalc's arse
[10:21] <Pygi> Lure: about ppc?
[10:21] <Pygi> pitti: around?
[10:21] <raphink> it won't use the new sources.list for pbuilder if you don't use this switch
[10:21] <Lure> Pygi: ppc?
[10:21] <Pygi> Lure: about the powerpc ... does it build there?
[10:21] <raphink> Riddell: I was looking at crunch's config and can't understand it
[10:22] <Lure> raphink: I read about override-config, but clean was required...
[10:22] <raphink> ah ok
[10:22] <Tonio_> raphink: speedcrunch vs kcalc is lost debate with Riddell ;) I already tried ^^
[10:22] <Lure> Pygi: do not know - but we can ask raphink to try ;-)
[10:22] <raphink> hehe
[10:22] <raphink> Tonio_: however, changing default config in speedcrunch is _horrid_
[10:22] <Tonio_> raphink: the problem is that config isn't in /usr/share
[10:22] <Tonio_> not sure k-d-s can handle this
[10:22] <raphink> the settings.cpp in speedcrunch is a horrible stuff
[10:22] <Lure> Tonio_: what is wrng with speedcrunch - I like it a lot...
[10:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I prefer kcalc :)
[10:23] <raphink> no Tonio_, it's not system-wide, only in ~
[10:23] <raphink> so I have to patch the program itself
[10:23] <raphink> and the code is horrible
[10:23] <Pygi> Tonio_, Lure: need your opinion ^_^
[10:24] <Lure> Pygi: shoot!
[10:24] <raphink> Riddell: who should I forward my kxkb patch to?P
[10:24] <Tonio_> raphink: if config reading is using Kconfig method
[10:24] <raphink> Tonio_: speedcrunch is not a KDE app
[10:24] <Riddell> raphink: how do you mean? I'm including it now
[10:24] <Pygi> Lure, Tonio_: can you make knetworkmanager work with n-m 0.6.2 if we manage to package it?
[10:25] <raphink> Riddell: I mean so it gets fixed upstream
[10:25] <Tonio_> raphink: Pygi of course
[10:25] <raphink> Riddell: unless you mean you're including it in the svn
[10:25] <Riddell> raphink: I'll put it upstream
[10:25] <Lure> Pygi: we had to make it work with n-m 0.6.1 - it works with 0.6.2 by default
[10:25] <Lure> ;-)
[10:25] <raphink> Riddell: great
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you speedcrunch developper ?
[10:25] <raphink> hehe
[10:26] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, we'll try to do it ... perhaps ;) I need to talk with _ion and pitti
[10:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, but I'm in contact with them
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[10:26] <raphink> Riddell: who is ?
[10:26] <raphink> maybe I coudl talk with them
[10:26] <raphink> so they can explain me how they deal with default config
[10:26] <Riddell> raphink: about the config file stuff?
[10:26] <raphink> cause I really don't get it
[10:26] <raphink> Riddell: yes
[10:27] <Riddell> raphink: there is a new speedcrunch version out, you should look at that first
[10:27] <raphink> ah ok
[10:27] <raphink> let's see
[10:27] <Riddell> developers are Ariya and Jon someone
[10:27] <raphink> are they on irc?
[10:28] <raphink> Riddell: new version just seems to be a switch to qt4
[10:28] <raphink> but I can try and see
[10:28] <raphink> just in case
[10:31] <Riddell> raphink: yes, the qt4 switch is why it's not included in dapper
[10:32] <raphink> the settings.cpp is still the same mess though
[10:32] <raphink> it won't fix my issue
[10:32] <Riddell> what's the issue?
[10:33] <raphink> Riddell: by default, speedcrunch uses a weird config, which is not the one called "Default". When switching to Default, it uses a much nicer font size
[10:33] <raphink> I'd like it to use the default style by default
[10:33] <raphink> I'll show you the settings.cpp
[10:33] <raphink> you'll see the mess it is
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell, raphink : any volunteer to revu kio-beagle ?
[10:34] <raphink> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/627537
[10:36] <Tonio_> cubetest : With it, you can train your spatial insight. <<<<<<<<--------- I need that for my girlfriend !!!!!!!!
[10:36] <raphink> Riddell: but the default settings is http://pastebin.com/627539
[10:36] <raphink> Riddell: so in the default settings you have "CustomAppearance=true" although settings.cpp seems to set it to false by default
[10:36] <vandenoever> Tonio_: hehe
[10:36] <vandenoever> Tonio_: mine still prefers kpat :-(
[10:37] <Tonio_> vandenoever: hehe ;)
[10:37] <vandenoever> says cubetest needs too much brain to be awake
[10:37] <Tonio_> vandenoever: I promiss to have a look at it and the package, but really, we have big emergencies on kubuntu
[10:37] <Tonio_> vandenoever: did you discuss with edubuntu guys ?
[10:37] <vandenoever> i sent them a mail
[10:37] <raphink> Riddell: can you get that?
[10:37] <Tonio_> that could fit their awaitings
[10:37] <vandenoever> they said, they might have room in the next version
[10:38] <vandenoever> but no-one's looked yet
[10:38] <Tonio_> vandenoever: they are probably better target than me for that kind of tools :)
[10:38] <vandenoever> Tonio_: did you give it a spin yet? you'll see why it's nice enough for general inclusion
[10:39] <Tonio_> vandenoever: I will once I finished with knetworkmanager
[10:39] <Tonio_> which is a major priority :)
[10:39] <vandenoever> it's on the border between games/puzzle and edutainment
[10:39] <vandenoever> Tonio_: cool
[10:43] <kmon> What is the state of kpowersave?
[10:44] <Lure> kmon: testing - did you report your result to wiki page?
[10:44] <kmon> I haven't build it yet.
[10:44] <kmon> I'm using amd64
[10:44] <kmon> no binary packages...
[10:45] <Lure> if you build it, you can also provide binaries and Tonio_ can put them in his repo
[10:45] <Lure> I think we are probably fine to request UVF exception, as powersave is stable and kpowersave is last rc before release
[10:46] <Lure> not sure with Kubuntu MOTU will volunteer to request UVFe
[10:46] <Lure> ;-)
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: with new knm?
[10:48] <Tonio__> Lure: not built yet ;)
[10:48] <Tonio__> I'm building it
[10:48] <Tonio__> I had a problem applying your patch (my fault)
[10:48] <Pygi> people will go mad
[10:48] <Pygi> I am pinging everyone :P
[10:49] <Tonio__> Pygi: what's new in 0.6.2 n-m ?
[10:49] <kmon> Lure: Maybe riddell can build them? It would be safer for tester as he could sign the packages with his gpg key which is well known and trusted.... but I'm afraid he's busy with espresso
[10:49] <Pygi> Tonio__: bugfixes, and support for dynamic WEP
[10:49] <Tonio__> Pygi: oki
[10:50] <Lure> kmon: and kde 3.5.2
[10:50] <Tonio__> kmon: about kpowersave ?
[10:50] <kmon> yes
[10:50] <kmon> He could give access to his amd64 box to you guys ;)
[10:51] <Lure> kmon: or do you want to donate one? ;-)
[10:51] <kmon> I'll take a look at apt, how to build from source packages
[10:51] <Lure> kmon: it is easy: 
[10:51] <Lure> apt-get source <package>
[10:52] <Lure> cd <package-dir>
[10:52] <Lure> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[10:52] <Lure> and you have your .deb ;-)
[10:53] <Lure> you will need to install some dependany packages before and build + install powersave first to build kpowersave
[10:53] <kmon> Is there no way to tell apt to build with dependecies & install?
[10:53] <Lure> I think it is, just a minute
[10:54] <Lure> apt-get build-dep is your friend
[10:54] <Lure> ;-)
[10:55] <raphink> Lure: build-dep doesn't build the deps, it just installs them
[10:55] <raphink> ;)
[10:55] <Lure> raphink: I know, but that what kmon needs
[10:55] <raphink> ah ok
[10:55] <raphink> to actually build the dependencies, you'd have to use rdepends
[10:55] <Lure> he just want his private build for amd64
[10:56] <raphink> huhu
[10:59] <kmon> mmm
[10:59] <kmon> I don't get it...
[10:59] <kmon> If build-dep doesn't build deps
[11:00] <kmon> how it is supposed to install the dependecies of Kpowersave in amd64?
[11:01] <Lure> kmon: true - apt-get build-dep cannot help, as it does not know dep of package not in repo
[11:01] <kmon> I'll have a look at apt howto
[11:01] <Lure> but dpkg-buildpackage will complain and report what you need to install to build
[11:02] <Lure> kmon: just do it and you will see it is so easy,,,
[11:06] <kmon> build-dep failed, as expected... I'm trying apt-get -b source kpowersave
[11:11] <Tonio__> Lure: ping ?
[11:11] <Lure> Tonio__: pong
[11:11] <Tonio__> Lure: I'm having little issues with the nodialup patch......
[11:11] <Tonio__> did you build one working one ?
[11:11] <kmon> Lure: Do I have to get the sources for the buildeps or I can install the binary packages of the builddeps and then create the package?
[11:12] <Lure> yes, I had to re-do it to apply, will try to find it...
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: just install binary -dev packages required for the one you have
[11:12] <Tonio__> Lure: I'm testing, but it appears we have less stuff to remove now
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: the only -dev you need to buil dform souirce is powersave-dev
[11:13] <Lure> Tonio__: for dialup? not much less than before...
[11:13] <Tonio__> Lure: hum.......
[11:13] <Tonio__> I had a working one I did, then I deleted it by error, and when I want to redo it, I'm getting an error.......
[11:14] <Tonio__> I certainly miss something, but I don't see what
[11:14] <kmon> Lure: Unmet dependecies.... I think it's because I have kde 3.5.2
[11:15] <Tonio__> kmon: use pbuilder to build your package
[11:15] <Lure> kmon: just install them - which are the unmet one?
[11:16] <kmon> where can I pastebin=
[11:16] <kmon> ?
[11:16] <Lure> Tonio__: my noDialUp patch: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627611
[11:17] <Lure> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:18] <kmon> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/627612
[11:18] <Tonio__> Lure: hum......... I was removing a method I shouldn't aparently ;)
[11:19] <Lure> kmon: interesting... you are probably really safer with pbuilder...
[11:20] <Lure> not sure how we could resolve those (as there are explicit requirement for 3.5.1 version)
[11:20] <kmon> I think it's because I have installed kde 3.5.2
[11:20] <Lure> kmon: exactly, but I did not have problems on i386 (with kde 3.5.2), that makes me think
[11:21] <kmon> I have removed the line in my apt.conf file which included the repo for kde 3.5.2... 
[11:21] <kmon> is that important?
[11:22] <kmon> I think yes....
[11:22] <kmon> jeje
[11:22] <kmon> hehe
[11:24] <kmon> yes
[11:24] <kmon> that was the problem....
[11:24] <kmon> I removed the repo
[11:25] <kmon> but... aren't those too many dependencies?
[11:26] <kmon> apparently no....
[11:26] <kmon> I'll have a look at pbuilder tomorrow....
[11:26] <kmon> Lure: thanks for you help
[11:27] <Lure> kmon: no problem - I would like to get some feedback for amd64
[11:27] <kmon> I'll try to build a package tomorrow
[11:28] <kmon> and if everything is Ok, I don't mind uploading it somewhere
[11:49] <Riddell> robotgeek: around?
[11:52] <Riddell> who was getting the window decoration slow down issue?
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: me
[11:54] <Lure> using Plastik because of that
[11:54] <raphink> hop, a small fix to cdbs :)
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: bug 34925
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34925 in kwin-style-crystal "Crystal theme takes all CPU" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34925
[11:58] <raphink> same here
[11:58] <raphink> wb Tonio_
[11:58] <Tonio_> raphink: ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Lure: knetworkmanager works
[11:58] <raphink> there's a problem with nm
[11:58] <Tonio_> Lure: anyway I don't have vpn options available, which sounds normal
[11:58] <Lure> great - in repo?
[11:58] <raphink>   network-manager: Dpend: libnl1-pre6 mais il n'est pas install
[11:58] <raphink>                    Dpend: libnm-util0 mais il n'est pas install
[11:58] <raphink> can't upgrade
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: it only appears when you have something installed
[11:59] <Tonio_> openvpn maybe.......
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: nope, but available on revu :)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: you can build it
[11:59] <Lure> raphink: can you translate? ;-)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: want to revu it ?
[11:59] <raphink> Dpend = Depends
[11:59] <raphink> "mail il n'est pas install" = "but is not installed"
[12:00] <raphink> so I run apt-get  -f install
[12:00] <raphink> and get a broken pipe
[12:00] <Tonio_> raphink: I had the issue and apt-get -f install resolved the problem
[12:00] <raphink> not here Tonio_
[12:00] <Lure> raphink: you need to get rid of old libnl1 - it may prevent libnl1-pre6 to install
[12:00] <raphink> ah
[12:00] <raphink> ok
[12:01] <raphink> then it requires a conflicts entry, no?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:01] <Lure> raphink: no, libnl1 was only in our hacky repo
[12:01] <Tonio_> lure doesn't work for me.......
[12:02] <raphink> ah ok 
[12:02] <raphink> :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> unable to connect to my WEP wifi.......
[12:02] <Lure> Tonio_: what does not work?
[12:02] <raphink> Lure: you don't work for Tonio_
[12:02] <Lure> ;-)
[12:02] <Lure> lol
[12:02] <Tonio_> Lure: unable to connect.....
[12:03] <Tonio_> don't know why, let me check
[12:03] <Lure> do you have proper wpasupplicant?
[12:03] <Lure> from offical repo?
[12:03] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume
[12:03] <Tonio_> let me reinstall it