[12:05] <anders__> will 'apt-get uninstall vi' remove the nightmare of having vi/vim installed?
[12:06] <tristanmike> it would be 'apt-get remove <package>' but why do you want to remove it completely?
[12:06] <idiotbs> apt-get remove vi - but i would not uninstall it
[12:06] <anders__> to get rid of it
[12:06] <tristanmike> don't use it
[12:06] <anders__> it's the freaking default editor
[12:06] <idiotbs> you might have to at some time
[12:06] <anders__> it must go
[12:06] <tristanmike> it may be part of things you don't want to break....
[12:06] <anders__> i want to break anything that vi is part of
[12:06] <rebelguys6> lol
[12:06] <tristanmike> LOL
[12:06] <idiotbs> break linux?!?
[12:07] <shoryu> xine is working here :), gstreamer plugins are not installed by default (mad,ffmpeg etC...)
[12:07] <rebelguys6> well don't forget vim anders__
[12:07] <rebelguys6> :/
[12:08] <anders__> it didn't find a vi package, but vim i could remove
[12:08] <idiotbs> that's vi
[12:08] <anders__> one step closer to a working system
[12:08] <idiotbs> maybe a step back
[12:09] <anders__> no, not for me, i hate vi[m] 
[12:09] <idiotbs> wait until you break kde
[12:09] <anders__> if i need a cli editor i use nano
[12:09] <anders__> and kde is fully broken on its own
[12:09] <tristanmike> I've started using nano more now too
[12:10] <anders__> i'll compile private versions of kde apps as needed, and not punk too much around with the installed ones
[12:11] <tristanmike> you, my friend, are some adament against vi[m] , it's pretty funny
[12:11] <anders__> brb
[12:13] <SushiGeek> Hi all
[12:13] <_matej> hi
[12:13] <_matej> in need some help
[12:13] <SushiGeek> Kubuntu ROCKS
[12:13] <_matej> i "accidently" uninstalled a looot of programs with adept
[12:14] <_matej> can i revert changes
[12:14] <_matej> ?
[12:14] <OdyX> _matej: yep
[12:14] <OdyX> easy
[12:14] <_matej> i removed even adept
[12:14] <_matej> and apt-get
[12:14] <Misc1> Hello
[12:14] <_matej> :S
[12:14] <_matej> :)
[12:14] <cowboyfeng> hello
[12:14] <Misc1> Help adept is driving me nuts
[12:14] <OdyX> _matej: you are joking...
[12:14] <_matej> i guess not
[12:15] <_matej> i just clicket apply changes and it started to removing like 200 programs
[12:15] <_matej> when i saw it i ctrl+c
[12:15] <shoryu> matej it happened to me
[12:15] <Misc1> I had the bad idea of trying "adept updater" just to see what it does. Now it's asking for a cd I don't have I can't close it or anything. There is no cancel button.
[12:16] <cowboyfeng> All of a sudden kubuntu won't display any higher than 680 x 400, was running @ 1280 x 768 last night... Any ideas
[12:16] <shoryu> adept removed like 200 programs including adept...
[12:16] <_matej> jp..
[12:16] <_matej> i have cd
[12:16] <shoryu> i just reinstalled ...
[12:16] <_matej> do you know how to install only things that have been removed?
[12:16] <cowboyfeng> I tryed xorg config to no avail
[12:16] <sredna|konversat> now i even got my nick back :-)
[12:17] <sredna|konversat> now how come it appears like i haven't JPEG support?!
[12:17] <shoryu> cowboyfeng > try to change the xorg.conf inf /etc/X11 , and put 1280x768 if it's not here
[12:17] <shoryu> nvm
[12:18] <shoryu> matej > i don't know sry
[12:18] <_matej> np
[12:18] <cowboyfeng> ok
[12:18] <cowboyfeng> can't see why it would work last night and not today
[12:18] <bimberi> _matej: try 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[12:18] <sredna|konversat> yikes!!!
[12:19] <sredna|konversat> how to get utf-8 support in file names in kubuntu?
[12:19] <bimberi> _matej: er, 'sudo apt-get....'
[12:19] <cowboyfeng> Allthough I must admit that I am a total nub
[12:19] <shoryu> matej : try to reinstall adept package : http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/ and search adept
[12:19] <_matej> bimberi: there is no apt-get
[12:19] <_matej> damn
[12:20] <Misc1> :(
[12:20] <_matej> i really screwd it up:)
[12:20] <_matej> but i have cd
[12:20] <_matej> i'm sure i can install it from there
[12:21] <Misc1> why would you code a pop-up window without a cancel button
[12:21] <_matej> but i don't know how
[12:21] <_matej> ...
[12:21] <bimberi> _matej: sec...
[12:21] <Misc1> and why ask 100 times for the same thing, if I don't have it the first time I still don't have it
[12:21] <_mick> hi
[12:23] <bimberi> _matej: hm, i though the install CD might have a 'rescue' option, but i think that's dapper
[12:23] <frank23> shoryu: adept removed 200 packages? you should click preview changes before commit changes to avoid something like that
[12:23] <_mick> i have an install problem, when copying the files to the h/d it stalls at 6%, the machien is a p3 550, with 256m ram.
[12:23] <frank23> shoryu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  will install everything again
[12:23] <shoryu> frank23 > yes now i know ^
[12:24] <shoryu> thanks
[12:24] <_matej> frank23: the same happend to me, but i don't even have apt-get application now
[12:24] <shoryu> frank23 > matej have the same problem but removed apt-get too
[12:24] <frank23> shoryu: oh, you're not the one who had that problem?
[12:24] <shoryu> frank23 : i had the problem but reinstalled everything already
[12:24] <frank23> shoryu: how did that happen?
[12:25] <shoryu> don't know , some kind of manipulation mistake
[12:25] <_matej> i just removed one package, and when i clicked commit changes it started to remove 200
[12:26] <bimberi> _matej: ok, if you can mount the CD you might be able to install the 'apt' package to get apt-get back.  It's in pool/main/a/apt on the CD and hopefully dpkg is still there so you can 'sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb'
[12:26] <MasterWolf> im haveing problems mounting a jump drive
[12:26] <frank23> _matej: which did you remove?
[12:26] <_matej> gcc 4
[12:27] <shoryu> i remember i was trying to remove zlibg  :p
[12:28] <frank23> _matej: there must have been something else because removing gcc shouldn't cause problems
[12:28] <_matej> i know
[12:28] <_matej> ok i'll try to get apt back
[12:29] <Misc1> hello...
[12:29] <frank23> shoryu: removing zlib would do it ;)
[12:29] <Red_Herring> irc.freenode.net connects FAST!
[12:31] <Misc1> hello~~~
[12:32] <Misc1> the whole irc has me on ignore?
[12:32] <Red_Herring> no...
[12:32] <Red_Herring> why?
[12:32] <Misc1> I had the bad idea of trying "adept updater" just to see what it does. Now it's asking for a cd I don't have I can't close it or anything. There is no cancel button.
[12:32] <Red_Herring> allright
[12:32] <Red_Herring> thats simple
[12:32] <Misc1> I just would like to close a window
[12:32] <Red_Herring> PUT THE CD IN!
[12:32] <Red_Herring> :-P
[12:32] <Misc1> the cd i don't have ? :) ok...
[12:32] <Red_Herring> ok, but honestly
[12:32] <Red_Herring> its simple
[12:33] <Red_Herring> sudo killall adept_updater
[12:33] <Red_Herring> something like that
[12:33] <Red_Herring> then just comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list that has the cd in it
[12:33] <Misc1> adept_updater: no process killed
[12:33] <Red_Herring> (comments begin with #)
[12:33] <Misc1> ha
[12:33] <Red_Herring> allright, ps -el
[12:33] <Red_Herring> or rather
[12:33] <Red_Herring> ps -el | grep adept
[12:35] <sredna|konversat> what can i do to start adept in a functional mode? whenever i start it, it claims that something else is using the database :\
[12:35] <Misc1> 4 S     0  9357  9354  2  75   0 - 15288 -      ?        00:00:46 adept-updater
[12:35] <Misc1> it's called like you said
[12:35] <Misc1> funny
[12:36] <Red_Herring> no, mine had an underscore
[12:36] <Misc1> ah ?
[12:36] <Red_Herring> sudo killall adept-updater
[12:36] <Misc1> aaaaaaaaaaaaah
[12:36] <Red_Herring> not adept_updater
[12:36] <Misc1> I didn't notice
[12:36] <Misc1> sorry
[12:36] <Red_Herring> (im at a lanparty now, running windows, while the others play starcraft)
[12:36] <Misc1> It is gone thank you!
[12:36] <Red_Herring> :-)
[12:36] <Misc1> heh have fun
[12:36] <Red_Herring> :-D
[12:37] <frank23> Misc1: you should disable the cdrom source from your sources.list
[12:37] <Red_Herring> yes... (4:33:32 PM) Red_Herring: then just comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list that has the cd in it
[12:37] <Misc1> oki I'll do that now
[12:38] <ganymed> hallo
[12:39] <_matej> hey i got apt-get back, but now when i try to 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it claims cd and then it doesn't move anywhere and just claims cd again, like it isn't the right one  (i have amd64 version)
[12:39] <ganymed> i have a problem with imagemagick... with the convert tool
[12:39] <ganymed> is anybody familiar to the kipi-plugins?
[12:39] <Red_Herring> _matej: comment out the CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:40] <Misc1> I have commented out the appropriate line, thank you :)
[12:40] <sredna|konversat> how do i find kicker applets that i miss (from standard kde modules)?
[12:41] <frank23> !info kicker-applets
[12:41] <ubotu> kicker-applets: (applets for Kicker, the KDE panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 205 kB, Installed size: 860 kB
[12:41] <frank23> sredna|konversat: install that I guess
[12:42] <sredna|konversat> frank23: i have no clue how debian names them, i'm not used to kde being split into atoms
[12:42] <sredna|konversat> hm, some does not want to load
[12:42] <frank23> sredna|konversat: just do searches in adept/synaptic
[12:43] <sredna|konversat> frank23: yea, i'll probably get used to it
[12:43] <sredna|konversat> though i'm yet to start a working adept instance
[12:44] <sredna|konversat> i can search, but not install
[12:44] <sredna|konversat> it claims it is read only
[12:44] <idiotbs> "apt-get install kicker-applets" - maybe you just want to do "apt-get install kde"
[12:44] <idiotbs> start it with sudo, sredna
[12:45] <sredna|konversat> i have kde but it's incomplete
[12:45] <sredna|konversat> as expected with debian
[12:45] <frank23> sredna|konversat: how did you start adept?  sudo won't work either use kdesu adept if you want to start from command line
[12:45] <sredna|konversat> 'kdesu adept' just appears to do nothing after i gave it my password
[12:45] <sredna|konversat> frank23: the menu doesn't work, nothing happens
[12:46] <_mick> i have an install problem, when installing the base system, it stalls at 6%, the machien is a p3 550, with 256m ram. can anyone help me with this?
[12:46] <frank23> sredna|konversat: make sure you have closed all running instances.  ps aux | grep adept
[12:46] <Red_Herring> or ps -el
[12:47] <frank23> sredna|konversat: if you want all of kde, install the kde package
[12:47] <_matej> frank23: sorry i'm a noob. I edit sources.list with kate? how do i go in admin mode? it doesn't let me save it
[12:47] <conn> I'm streaming a dvd with vlc, and the cpu usage is about 20-30% and 70% idle cpu, but moving windows is very choppy. DMA is enabled for the DVD drive, can someone suggest another solution to the choppiness?
[12:47] <Red_Herring> _matej: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:47] <frank23> _matej: open kate with    kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:47] <Red_Herring> frank23: Beat you!
[12:47] <Red_Herring> :-p
[12:48] <bimberi> _matej: 1. edit sources.list and comment everything out 2. 'sudo apt-get update' 3. 'sudo apt-cdrom add' (to add the CD) 4. retry kubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <sredna|konversat> hm, it does not work
[12:48] <bimberi> _matej: kdesu kate ....
[12:49] <_matej> tnx guys
[12:49] <_matej> it's downloading now
[12:49] <sredna|konversat> it's required to kill adept_* and shut down the tray applet it appears
[12:50] <sredna|konversat> not exactly elegant
[12:50] <frank23> sredna|konversat: are you in dapper?
[12:51] <_matej> nice, adept is back
[12:51] <_matej> funny, adept is a wellknown company that makes industrial robots:)
[12:51] <sredna|konversat> frank23: yes
[12:51] <ganymed> hallo
[12:52] <ganymed> again
[12:52] <sredna|konversat> i was told that it was resonably stable
[12:52] <visik7> anyone got nfs kio work from user ?
[12:52] <sredna|konversat> but maybe that was a bit optimistic
[12:52] <frank23> sredna|konversat: I had problems with adept like that when I tried dapper. I suggest you just install synaptic and use it instead
[12:52] <ganymed> so is there anybody here who knows about imagemagick(convert) or the kipi-plugins in gwenview?
[12:53] <dragonkh> hi
[12:53] <dragonkh> anyone know how to play wma files in linux?
[12:53] <Rayman> !w32codecs
[12:53] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:53] <Red_Herring> w32codecs
[12:53] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[12:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:53] <Red_Herring> my prefered method...
[12:54] <slow-motion> n8
[12:54] <idiotbs> hey, this is cool, does that bot have info on all packages?
[12:54] <_matej> can mplayer be installed with apt-get?
[12:54] <frank23> _matej: yes. its in multiverse
[12:54] <idiotbs> !mplayer
[12:54] <ubotu> somebody said mplayer was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:54] <bimberi> !tell _matej about mplayer
[12:54] <tristanmike> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[12:54] <rebelguys6> heh
[12:54] <dragonkh> mplayer doesnt play them at the moment
[12:55] <sredna|konversat> hm, kpf isn't working
[12:55] <dragonkh> can I apt get codecs?
[12:55] <sredna|konversat> what is it i need for mp3?
[12:55] <frank23> dragonkh: you need w32codecs follow the link
[12:55] <frank23> !mp3
[12:55] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:55] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[12:56] <dragonkh> thanks :)
[12:58] <ganymed_> hi again, sorry, it's my modem...
[12:59] <ganymed_> sorry for bugging you, but i have to ask the same stuff again, 'cause i didn't get to see any answer (if there was any)
[01:00] <ganymed_> anybody knowing sth. about imagemagick, batch resizing or the kipi-plugins in gwenview?
[01:01] <_shane> hi I have just installed kubuntu and firefox I need to install java now, what do you suggest?
[01:03] <zblach> _shane, java what? jdk or jre?
[01:03] <_shane> I don't know I went to a web site it seems to need java.
[01:03] <zblach> ...
[01:04] <zblach> ok
[01:04] <zblach> you'll want the jre
[01:04] <chavo> ganymed_, use convert to resize images, it's part of imagemagick tools
[01:04] <ganymed_> chavo: that's my problem
[01:04] <zblach> ubotu, tell _shane about java
[01:04] <ganymed_> i have 78 and it says: pixel cache not open... around 10 pics have 0 bytes and a lot have black horizontal stripes
[01:08] <Steven_M> hi all
[01:08] <Steven_M> I did a complete reinstall of kde last night and now my sound doesn't work, any ideas?
[01:08] <visik7> check if arts is running
[01:09] <ganymed_> Steven_M: what does it say... plz be more specific
[01:09] <Steven_M> I dont get any error messages
[01:13] <ganymed_> have you checked the mixer?
[01:14] <Steven_M> it doesn't appear that arts is running, how do I start it?
[01:14] <Red_Herrin1> arts
[01:15] <ganymed_> isn't it artsd?
[01:15] <Red_Herrin1> sure
[01:15] <Red_Herrin1> i have no f*cking clue
[01:15] <sredna|konversat> mumble
[01:15] <sredna|konversat> ed-hkjsdfhxfg
[01:16] <Steven_M> gold@toshiba-laptop:~$ arts
[01:16] <Steven_M> bash: arts: command not found
[01:16] <Steven_M> gold@toshiba-laptop:~$ artsd
[01:16] <sredna|konversat> sorry, konversation is a bit beta
[01:16] <Steven_M> can't register Arts::MidiManager
[01:16] <Steven_M> There are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active...
[01:16] <Steven_M> Error: Can't add object reference (probably artsd is already running).
[01:16] <Steven_M>        If you are sure it is not already running, remove the relevant files:
[01:16] <Red_Herrin1> Steven_M: killall artsd
[01:16] <Steven_M>        /tmp/ksocket-gold/Arts_SoundServerV2
[01:16] <Red_Herrin1> artsd
[01:16] <Steven_M>        /tmp/ksocket-gold/Arts_SoundServer
[01:16] <Steven_M>        /tmp/ksocket-gold/Arts_SimpleSoundServer
[01:16] <Steven_M>        /tmp/ksocket-gold/Arts_PlayObjectFactory
[01:16] <Steven_M>        /tmp/ksocket-gold/Arts_AudioManager
[01:16] <Steven_M> gold@toshiba-laptop:~$
[01:16] <Red_Herrin1> DONT SPAM IT!
[01:17] <Steven_M> thanks :-)
[01:17] <bimberi> !paste
[01:17] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[01:17] <nalioth> Steven_M: please don't paste into irc channels, it's considered rude
[01:17] <Steven_M> sorry
[01:18] <Red_Herrin1> no problem, just keep it in mind next time
[01:18] <idiotbs> if someone doesn't know yet, it's not rude.... it will be next time :D
[01:18] <_shane> to install java the docs recommend j2re with 'sudo apt-get install j2re1.4' but it isn't found in found, I have enabled 'multiverse' with 'deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse' can anyone tell me what wrong?
[01:19] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _shane about javadebs
[01:19] <bimberi> _shane: you also need a line with multiverse on it where 'breezy_backports' is just 'breezy'
[01:20] <_matej> tnx and good night
[01:21] <Steven_M> that didn't work.
[01:22] <Steven_M> I'll just try a reboot, be back soon
[01:24] <sredna|konversat> how can i convince kubuntu that it is ok to play the sounds in mpg videso?
[01:24] <sredna|konversat> i did install gstreamer-plugins-ugly and some other packages mentioned
[01:24] <sredna|konversat> to no avail
[01:24] <sredna|konversat> i restarted arts btw
[01:26] <gigi> sera a tutti
[01:29] <danial> hey anyone runs DC++/direct connect on kubuntu?
[01:30] <danial> hey anyone runs DC++/direct connect on kubuntu?
[01:30] <rebelguys6> yeah i do danial
[01:30] <rebelguys6> through valknut
[01:31] <knill> need help, i connect to windows network and can copy files but cant play media files directly from host computer
[01:31] <sredna|konversat> hm, no mp3 in amarok either
[01:32] <sredna|konversat> kinda useless
[01:32] <SkrotFFS> rebelguys6: Does valknut still have issues with certain DC++ versions?
[01:32] <sredna|konversat> in this world of mp3 files :\
[01:32] <rebelguys6> i don't think so...
[01:32] <SkrotFFS> coo
[01:32] <SkrotFFS> cool*
[01:32] <tristanmike> sredna|konversat: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:32] <rebelguys6> but i guess i have gotten some reports about people that have had trouble
[01:32] <danial> i have a problem with my dc client rebelguys6
[01:32] <rebelguys6> like 1 or 2 though
[01:32] <rebelguys6> very small #
[01:32] <ganymed_> you have to activate the mp3 support
[01:32] <danial> i cannot change my nickname
[01:33] <rebelguys6> danial, what program are you using
[01:33] <danial> idc_gui2
[01:33] <danial> dc_gui2
[01:34] <sredna|konversat> tristanmike: the information on the web pointed to a newer gstreamer version, but hey, let me try
[01:34] <danial> i cannot change my nick at all, it gives me an error message "Due to dc limitations, u cannot change nick on a running client"
[01:34] <danial> i need to change the nick as the university server wont let me connect...
[01:34] <rebelguys6> yeah
[01:35] <danial> any ideas?
[01:35] <rebelguys6> well, you'd have to disconnect first
[01:35] <rebelguys6> i've had real bad luck with dcgui / dctc
[01:35] <sredna|konversat> hm, no luck with that either, tristanmike
[01:35] <danial> i did disconnect to the server
[01:35] <rebelguys6> you may need to kill -9 dctc (!)
[01:35] <danial> but didnt make a difference
[01:35] <rebelguys6> and dctc_master
[01:35] <rebelguys6> see if they are still lingering
[01:36] <rebelguys6> in a ps -aux
[01:37] <knill> how can i play media files over a windows network
[01:37] <danial> not sure what you mean, my sn should be "wicked new at this"
[01:37] <sredna|konversat> wellcome to the joy of linux... this distro doesn't really work either :\
[01:37] <sredna|konversat> time to get some sleep
[01:38] <rebelguys6> oh well DC protocol doesn't support spaces in SNs
[01:38] <rebelguys6> for one thing :0
[01:38] <danial> :D
[01:38] <danial> how do I "kill" those processes
[01:39] <knill> where can i get help with files over a network
[01:39] <rebelguys6> killall -9 dctc dctc_master
[01:40] <me2win> !ext3
[01:40] <ubotu> hmm... ext3 is a filesystem that Linux can be installed on and can be read/written from Windows via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:40] <rebelguys6> then open it up and try setting everything up, then connect
[01:40] <rebelguys6> heh
[01:41] <ganymed_> factor: well, i am a bit disappointed from the gimp/imagemagick/fs/whatsoever possibilites... in windows (and i am a convinced linux user) i can just use my old image manipulation prog to do the batch resizing without worrying abot the fs or anything :(
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> How to install kdm theme from tarball?  I don't see that option in kcontrol...
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> Also, in Control Center > System Administration > Login Manager > Convenience, I have "Attention!  Read help."  ??
[01:48] <willie> is there a Proper Place to define aliases in Debian/Kubuntu?
[01:49] <willie> or will I just stick them in ~/.profile
[01:49] <willie> ?
[01:50] <Kyral> I use .bash_aliases
[01:52] <willie> Im a recent SuSE convert and it comes with a few handy preset aliases  like 'o' = 'less' 'la' = 'ls -al'
[01:53] <willie> and Im fed up with 'command not found' :-)
[01:54] <Kyral> Hehe I know that feeling
[01:54] <Kyral> Anyone know where I can get a 120mm hole saw?
[01:55] <Kyral> Sysinfo for 'AzureDream': Linux 2.6.15-19-k7 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2700+ at 2166 MHz (4335 bogomips), , RAM: 480/1010MB, 93 proc's, 12.15min up
[01:55] <dr_house> i just formatted an hdd with ext3 .. it's hdb1 on my system .. i did "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/barracuda" and it seems to have mounted but doesn't show up in my storage media folder .. anyone know what's going on?
[01:56] <ganymed_> how can i revert the "clever" behaviour of kde to download any file from an outside source in any programme and then opening it with that prog?
[01:56] <Kyral> maybe because its mounted with Root privs?
[01:57] <dr_house> i just tried the same command without the sudo and it said "only root can do that"
[01:57] <Kyral> yahh....
[01:57] <Kyral> !fstab
[01:57] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[01:57] <luansheng> hello,everyone
[01:57] <Kyral> Lemme dig up the line for my Ext3 drive
[01:58] <luansheng> i have a very important question to ask you!!!!
[01:58] <dr_house> alright, i'll skim that doc you just linked me to
[01:58] <Kyral>  /dev/sda1       /media/anime    ext3    user_xattr      0       2
[01:58] <Kyral> 'cept repace your values
[01:59] <luansheng> anyone can help me??
[01:59] <dr_house> what's the user_xattr part?
[01:59] <Kyral> luansheng: it would help if you ASKED
[01:59] <luansheng> i am careless to delete /etc/X11/Xsession
[01:59] <Kyral> dr_house: Oh thats something I enabled for Beagle
[01:59] <Kyral> no harm for it :P
[01:59] <luansheng> Kyral ,how can i resume it?
[01:59] <dr_house> lol, alright, thanks
[02:00] <Kyral> luansheng: if you deleted it...
[02:00] <Kyral> then no getting it back unless there was a backup
[02:00] <luansheng> I have delet it
[02:00] <ganymed_> why is any file that i open copied to /tmp/... before opening it?
[02:00] <luansheng> i have not the backup
[02:00] <Kyral> ganymed_: I dunno...and I don't ask about temp
[02:00] <Kyral> its literally temp data :P
[02:01] <Kyral> it gets deleted and created at will
[02:01] <luansheng> can you give me your copy,is it for my computer?
[02:01] <luansheng> how can i creat it? thank you!
[02:02] <Kyral> uhhh
[02:02] <dr_house> kyral, i added that line to my fstab, saved and restarted X .. but it still doesn't show up in storage media
[02:03] <luansheng> kyral,how can i do now?
[02:03] <Kyral> dr_house: did you add it verbatium?
[02:03] <Kyral> luansheng: uh
[02:03] <dr_house> lol, no .. i added this:  /dev/hdb1       /mnt/barracuda    ext3    user_xattr      0       2
[02:03] <Kyral> okay
[02:03] <Kyral> lol
[02:03] <Kyral> just wanted to make sure
[02:03] <dr_house> ;)
[02:04] <Kyral> dr_house: try changing the Mountpoint to /media
[02:04] <luansheng> kyral,is it a difficult question?
[02:05] <ganymed_> Kyral: why don't you grant me that bit of intelligence to KNOW THIS MYSELF
[02:05] <Kyral> huh?
[02:05] <Kyral> luansheng: Why did you delete it in the firstplace?
[02:05] <dr_house> kyral, done .. do i have to restart x?
[02:05] <ganymed_> i am NOT asking about WHAT is temp, i am asking about a changed behaviour from kde 3.4 to 3.5...
[02:05] <Kyral> dr_house: I don't think so...frankly I disklike the the thing
[02:05] <Kyral> ganymed_: I dunno
[02:05] <luansheng> kyral,it is my carelee
[02:05] <dr_house> lol
[02:06] <Kyral> I am new to KDE lol, didn't know it did that
[02:06] <dr_house> kyral, it's still not showing up :(
[02:06] <Kyral> oy...
[02:06] <Kyral> lemme check the parms on my mountpoint
[02:06] <dr_house> ok
[02:06] <dr_house> you say you dislike X .. so you're doing all this in shell?
[02:07] <me2win> dr_house, you have to remount fstab
[02:07] <me2win> sudo mount -a
[02:07] <Kyral> dr_house: I dislike the "Storage Media" thing :P
[02:07] <dr_house> oh lol
[02:07] <luansheng> in /etc/X11/,i am not careful to run rm Xsession*
[02:08] <ganymed_> sorry, but i have this frequently, especially on a "related" channel. by the way, "dunno" is not sth. my teacher taught me in school
[02:08] <dr_house> hm .. line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad ... mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[02:08] <me2win> dr_house, your drive is hdb2
[02:08] <me2win> no sdb1
[02:08] <luansheng> kyral ,i am beginner for kubuntu, can you help me ? please
[02:09] <dr_house> me2win: its acually hdb1 .. but i still get that error :-/
[02:09] <Kyral> luansheng: consider this a lesson...don't go running around as root :P
[02:09] <Kyral> as for the file.....
[02:09] <Kyral> what package does that file belong to....
[02:09] <luansheng> now i know it is very serious
[02:10] <dr_house> me2win: oh lol i see why i got that error .. the sdb1 HDD isn't plugged in at the moment
[02:10] <luansheng> what package? I don't know
[02:10] <sredna|konversat> i can't get kubuntu to play sound in kaffeine with mpgs
[02:10] <Kyral> Oh well, we all have that moment lol
[02:10] <dr_house> lol
[02:10] <me2win> dr_house, oooh lol
[02:10] <Kyral> luansheng: I'm looking it up
[02:10] <sredna|konversat> artsplay can play mp3 files
[02:10] <luansheng> thank you
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> In Konqueror, how to make single-click only select and double-click open?
[02:11] <Kyral> its contained in xinit
[02:11] <luansheng> the file is in /etc/X11/
[02:11] <Kyral> !info xinit breezy
[02:11] <ubotu> xinit: (X server initialisation tool), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0+0.99.1-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 144 kB
[02:11] <Kyral> luansheng: do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xinit"
[02:11] <dr_house> ok, got rid of the sdb1 doesnt exist error .. still getting    "[mntent] : line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad"
[02:11] <Kyral> tonyyarusso: I think its in the Mouse control panel
[02:11] <luansheng> ok
[02:12] <luansheng> i will do it ,you are a good man!
[02:12] <luansheng> thank you!
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Kyral: Right you seem to be.  And I thought it would be in file browser behaviour.  Silly me.
[02:12] <sredna|konversat> amarok doesn't work either
[02:12] <sredna|konversat> bah
[02:14] <luansheng> no, it is my real heart. my english is very poor, my native language isn't english.
[02:14] <dr_house> what's your native language?
[02:15] <luansheng> chinese
[02:15] <dr_house> mandarin or cantanese?
[02:15] <dr_house> i've been learning a bit of mandarin
[02:16] <luansheng> mandarin?
[02:16] <luansheng> i never listen it?
[02:17] <dr_house> kyral, do i have to mount HDDs to /mnt/___ ?
[02:17] <Kyral> dr_house: no, you can mount them anywhere
[02:18] <dr_house> oh, so even if it doesnt show up in storage media, i can go straight to /mnt/barracuda and store files?
[02:19] <Kyral> yah....
[02:19] <Kyral> if its mounted
[02:19] <dr_house> alright, cool
[02:19] <Kyral> why wouldn't you be able to?
[02:19] <luansheng> kyral, when i install xinit, the result showed that chmod: can't acess/etc/X11/Xsession: no this file or directory
[02:19] <dr_house> i dunno .. i'm a linux newbie
[02:19] <Kyral> uhh
[02:19] <Kyral> you need someone to copy it to you lol
[02:20] <luansheng> some wrong thing happend
[02:20] <Kyral> luansheng: yah you deleted the file :P
[02:20] <Kyral> j/k
[02:20] <luansheng> yes,i have delete it
[02:21] <luansheng> but the package seem to need ti?
[02:21] <Kyral> yah
[02:21] <Kyral> oy....
[02:21] <dr_house> alright, thanks for your help kyral
[02:21] <Kyral> I'm trying to send it to you
[02:22] <Kyral> accept the DCC
[02:22] <luansheng> my mail is :luansheng@gmail.com
[02:22] <Kyral> luansheng: the DCC transfer?
[02:22] <luansheng> how?
 in /etc/X11/,i am not careful to run rm Xsession*
[02:23] <VRWarper> hmm
[02:23] <VRWarper> figure out which package has Xsession
[02:23] <Kyral> now move it to /etc/X11
[02:23] <Kyral> VRWarper: we did
[02:23] <Kyral> its Xinit
[02:23] <VRWarper> do sudo dpkg --purge --force-all Xinit
[02:23] <ganymed_> how can i make apt accept a "broken" package (it is not really broken)?
[02:23] <VRWarper> sudo apt-get install Xinit
[02:24] <VRWarper> oh wait, dpkg probably dies at trying to remove a file that doesnt exist
[02:24] <luansheng> iok
[02:24] <VRWarper> if thats the case then just throw a blank file
[02:24] <VRWarper> called Xsession so its happy
[02:24] <luansheng> i try two method
[02:25] <luansheng> vrwarper,sudo apt-get install Xinit is not right,
[02:25] <VRWarper> lowercase
[02:25] <VRWarper> xinit
[02:25] <luansheng> run it tell me that :chmod: can't acess/etc/X11/Xsession: no this file or directory
[02:26] <VRWarper> wait does xinit actually have this file?
[02:26] <luansheng> yes
[02:27] <VRWarper> let me check
[02:27] <luansheng> ok,thank you!
[02:28] <VRWarper> okay did you remove xinit first though?
[02:28] <VRWarper> sudo dpkg --purge --force-all xinit
[02:28] <VRWarper> tell me what it says after you do that
[02:29] <luansheng> kyral, my local is zh_CN.GBK,not en_US.UTF_8,use you xsession,is it right?
[02:29] <Armagguedes> hello
[02:29] <Armagguedes> how do i format an usbdisk to FAT32?
[02:29] <Armagguedes> fdisk --what?
[02:29] <VRWarper> okay if youre just going to use an Xsession file
[02:29] <VRWarper> localization shouldnt matter
[02:29] <luansheng> VRWarper, i don't run sudo dpkg --purge --force-all xinit
[02:30] <VRWarper> run that, then run sudo apt-get install xinit
[02:30] <luansheng> ye, i also think so.
[02:30] <luansheng> ok
[02:30] <_damian> kubuntu eh
[02:30] <_damian> always thaught of gnome as shit
[02:30] <VRWarper> rm -rf Xsession* deletes more than just Xsession
[02:30] <luansheng> yes
[02:30] <_damian> shit shit shit
[02:31] <luansheng> i very regret!
[02:31] <_damian> hmm fuck havent used kde for years
[02:31] <_damian> alot sure has changed
[02:32] <VRWarper> luansheng: so run sudo dpkg --purge --force-all xinit
[02:32] <VRWarper> luansheng: then run sudo apt-get install xinit
[02:32] <luansheng> ye
[02:32] <luansheng> i have do it
[02:32] <luansheng> it is right
[02:32] <VRWarper> does it work?
[02:32] <luansheng> i have install it!
[02:32] <VRWarper> okay
[02:32] <luansheng> let me try
[02:33] <luansheng> but how can do?
[02:33] <luansheng> reboot
[02:33] <VRWarper> sudo reboot
[02:33] <luansheng> reboot?
[02:33] <luansheng> ok
[02:33] <VRWarper> or alt-control-delete
[02:33] <luansheng> thank you!
[02:33] <luansheng> see you later!
[02:39] <ganymed_> is there a recent imagemagick version for kubuntu?
[02:40] <Armagguedes> how do i format an usbdisk to FAT32?
[02:41] <Armagguedes> sudo mnt /media/sda5
[02:41] <Armagguedes> or what
[02:41] <Armagguedes> and then...?
[02:41] <Armagguedes> btw, the manpages are a bit over my hea
[02:41] <soundmaster80> is anyone there?
[02:42] <Kyral> I suddenly have the need for a 120mm hole saw that can cut through steel
[02:43] <soundmaster80> I don't know if anyone saw my question..
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> I need some help installing a KDM theme.
[02:44] <mvv> Kyral: normal breach saw (or how do you call them) have too rough theeth
[02:44] <soundmaster80> i have dual nics on my motherboard...both of them are enabled on dhcp, could this cause a problem browsing the internet?
[02:46] <soundmaster80> lol...no one there to help a poor person?
[02:46] <Kyral> mvv: you know then what I plan?
[02:47] <mvv> argh! dame xgl bug with that shift+delete made be reload X for the T!$#%!$@#^ triljon time!
[02:47] <me2win> !ntfs
[02:47] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:47] <me2win> !ext3
[02:47] <ubotu> ext3 is probably a filesystem that Linux can be installed on and can be read/written from Windows via http://www.fs-driver.org
[02:48] <cowboyfeng> Some help installling quanta.... I have to download to a usb on a winME machine and I can't seem to open the packages
[02:49] <mvv> Kyral: yes, i taped it with white tape, made a nice cicle on it to know where to drill and used normal tool to make a round of small wholes
[02:50] <Kyral> mvv: I plan to just use fan grills :D
[02:50] <luansheng> it is ok!
[02:50] <Kyral> this is why i bought a PLAIN full tower, so I could mod the hell out of it :D
[02:50] <luansheng> VRWarper,thank you!!
[02:50] <luansheng> kyral, thank you
[02:50] <luansheng> best reguards!
[02:50] <Kyral> its what we do
[02:51] <luansheng> hehe
[02:52] <luansheng> i don't know how to id without your help
[02:52] <mvv> Kyral: yeah well, you can try it with a big round saw, but it would probaly take years to get threw it because of too thick theeth, and making it measure right would also big a pain in the ass (it'll not stay in place)
[02:52] <luansheng> i will not boot kde
[02:53] <luansheng> my work will has to stop
[02:53] <luansheng> I express my thanks again!
[02:53] <mvv> kyral: how i did it-> just make normal wholes in a round, use dremel afterwards and put a air filter on it
[02:54] <mvv> it's not a high modding level in sense of blin-bling though, but it works
[02:55] <luansheng> bye,see you later
[02:58] <Kyral> hehe
[02:58] <Kyral> I'm gonna stick in like 4 110 CFM fans :D
[02:58] <Kyral> no way in HELL all these discs are coasters
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> !ntfs
[03:17] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> crap, anyone have the link for the ntfs implementation that uses the real MS dll's?
[03:19] <udk> LeeJunFan: isnt that Captive?
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> that might be it.
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> udk: yeah, that's it - thanks.
[03:21] <udk> np
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> heh, ubotu says it doesn't work with ubuntu, I'm guessing simply because the modules aren't there or perhaps doesn't work with ubuntu patches, I'm running vanilla so I see no reason I can't get it to work.
[03:26] <lubo> hello, my connection to internet is very smal and does not work sometimes..
[03:26] <ganymed_> ciao
[03:27] <lubo> it seems that dapper have lots of bugs and always somethonk does not work
[03:27] <lubo> does anyone else had similar problem..
[03:27] <lubo> The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond.
[03:28] <lubo> nad this is 512 speed...
[03:28] <lubo> I have tested it with windows and there is no problem with connection
[03:28] <lubo> anyone have some ide what is going on? thanks
[03:30] <dreamwave> hello.  i'm trying to upgrade kde to 3.5.1.  i've added the right stuff to sources.list.  but apt-get upgrade displays 68 packages not upgraded (kept back).  how do i get kde to upgrade?
[03:32] <Desh> can someone help me
[03:32] <lubo> try apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:32] <Desh> I hd Kubuntu running
[03:32] <Desh> *had
[03:32] <Desh> and trying to get USB drives to work
[03:32] <Desh> I updated hotplug
[03:32] <Desh> with adget
[03:32] <Desh> adept
[03:32] <dreamwave> lubo: nope.
[03:32] <Desh> and it failed
[03:33] <Desh> i tried a universal update and it failed
[03:33] <Desh> now i restart the laptop
[03:33] <Desh> and it wont load after getting bat info
[03:33] <Desh> i alt f4 from there and login on the black screen
[03:33] <Desh> but when i run startx it fails
[03:33] <Desh> :(
[03:33] <Desh> any clues?
[03:39] <cabajgtr> Is there a simple reason I can't add samba users in either Kcontrol or smbpasswd -a?
[03:39] <cabajgtr> (i guess it doesnt have to be simple, ijust need a fix)
[03:41] <Desh> Why would Kubuntu not boot after I restart?
[03:41] <Desh> It locks after the battery check
[03:41] <greg> Hello.
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: It did that  for me after I tried installing ATI drivers.
[03:42] <greg> Is there an update-menus command?
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> I booted into a root console, and replaced my xorg.conf
[03:42] <Desh> i se
[03:42] <Desh> *see
[03:43] <Desh> I dunno how to do that lol
[03:43] <glick> hey what are the minimum packages i need to be able to run qt apps?
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> glick: no idea
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> hmm
[03:48] <firewire> try installing a qt app
[03:56] <barney> I know its probably stupid but im having problem playing cd's, I don't have a cable going from the cdrom to the motherboard and i don't get sound when playing a cd. Any suggestions?
[03:57] <me2win> you need an IDE cable to hook up your CD drive to the motherboard
[03:57] <barney> it works fine in windows
[03:58] <barney> is there a software player for cds
[03:58] <barney> ???
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> KsCD IIRC
[03:59] <barney> whats iirc?
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> if i recall correctly
[04:00] <barney> im using kscd, but it requires a cable
[04:00] <barney> it plays but no audio
[04:00] <me2win> when you say it has no cable to the motherboard, what do you mean
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> never used KsCD, sorry.
[04:00] <barney> the audio cable
[04:01] <barney> the ide cable is there, the cdrom works fine, just no audio cd's
[04:01] <me2win> have you installed gstreamer barney ?
[04:02] <barney> yeah, but i get this error when i run amarok using the gstreamer enging
[04:02] <Jediborger> Can anyone help me with KPP and dialing into my AOL account?
[04:02] <barney> engine
[04:03] <me2win> Jediborger, somebody might be able to, if nobody in here, then ask in #ubuntu
[04:03] <me2win> ohh wait they dont have KPP
[04:03] <me2win> bah
[04:03] <me2win> !kpp
[04:03] <ubotu> me2win: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:03] <barney> its a gstmad.c error
[04:03] <barney> couldn't find any info on how to fix it
[04:03] <lwizardl> hi
[04:04] <barney> any ideas?
[04:04] <me2win> barney, not sure
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> barney: googling, but no luck yet
[04:04] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting this xdvdshrink working
[04:04] <lwizardl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10949
[04:05] <me2win> lwizardl, see that on digg?
[04:05] <lwizardl> digg?
[04:05] <me2win> lwizardl, nvm
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://www.digg.com/
[04:05] <me2win> its a news site, they had an article today about backing up DVDs in ubuntu
[04:06] <lwizardl> me2win, no i didn't see that
[04:06] <me2win> lwizardl, yeh, my bad for assuming
[04:07] <Jediborger> Does anyone know if you need any special commands in the Login Script in Kpp for an AOL account?
[04:07] <frank23> Jediborger: you might need a special dialer for AOL
[04:08] <Jediborger> I don't think they have one for Linux
[04:08] <frank23> Jediborger: maybe not AOL but I think there is one that works for AOL. I couldn't tell you what is it though
[04:09] <Jediborger> frank23: ok I'll try Googling it
[04:09] <me2win> !aol
[04:09] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[04:10] <lwizardl> me2win, no problem. i just found xdvdshrink from google search for ubuntu dvdrip
[04:14] <Snake__> pna nalbar qrpbqr guvf?
[04:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hands on the wrong keys?
[04:14] <Snake__> ab jul?
[04:16] <Snake__> V thrff abg...gung gbgnyyl fhpxf
[04:17] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: Vee-Dub, Representing Deutschland Yo!
[04:17] <Dasnipa`> we going to unpimp your windows box
[04:18] <Snake__> lol
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Looks like you were pretending to be gagged on IRC. :P
[04:19] <lwizardl> anyone know of another place to get xdvdshrink beside plf
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lwizardl: I assume it's not in the repos
[04:28] <GNU_Style> when I boot it says module minix not found..?
[04:29] <GNU_Style> and its unable to mount /dev/hda1
[04:30] <lwizardl> anyone use newsgroups ?
[04:31] <GNU_Style> when I boot it say module minix not found, why?
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Because it can't find the module minix. But I don't know how to fix it
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:32] <Snake__> lol
[04:32] <Snake__> lwizardl: I did...wju
[04:32] <Snake__> why*
[04:32] <Snake__> lwizardl: by new groups I presume you mean the emailing things... (I hope im not getting my terms mixed up
[04:33] <lwizardl> Snake__, sorta more like binaries newgroups for file downloads
[04:33] <Snake__> oh
[04:33] <Snake__> no :(
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not I
[04:34] <lwizardl> i'm trying to find a linux program like grabit! for windows ( http://www.shemes.com/)
[04:35] <GNU_Style> lwizardl, what does grabit do?
[04:35] <GNU_Style> screen grabber?
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> On this website you can find GrabIt, one of the easiest binary Usenet downloader in the world. With GrabIt you can search and download MP3 files, pictures, movies, software, games and more on USENET news servers, without downloading gigabytes if headers.
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:36] <lwizardl> GNU_Style, what CheeseBurgerMan said
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:37] <GNU_Style> CheeseBurgerMan, ic, have any idea why it say's module minix not found?
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> As I said, I have no clue
[04:37] <GNU_Style> im doomed, my linux HDDis 100% ful does it have to do with that?
[04:39] <Snake__> GNU_Style: 100% = NOT GOOD. Your not supposed to fill a ext3 past 80% to give it room for filing, (Hence why ext3 doesnt need defragging)
[04:39] <GNU_Style> Snake__, any cure for this?
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> delete some stuff :P
[04:39] <Snake__> Clear space? But I dont think that has to do with minic
[04:39] <Snake__> minix**
[04:39] <Snake__> Im just telling you for future refrence ;)
[04:40] <GNU_Style> I cant cause I cant boot to linux, it says minix not found unable to mount hda1
[04:40] <GNU_Style> why its unable to mount /dev/hda1?
[04:41] <Snake__> Who knows :P
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> hmm
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why do people ask a question and then leave?
[04:41] <Snake__> Mmmmmm
[04:41] <Snake__> Who knows :P
[04:41] <Snake__> :)
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> hello
[04:50] <knoppix> CheeseBurgerMan, hello can I use dd without mounting my hdd?
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> knoppix: I have no idea. I don't even know what dd does
[04:51] <fatejudger> !samba
[04:51] <ubotu> hmm... samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:51] <knoppix> does any body know how to dd?
[04:53] <Snake__> knoppix: what is dd
[04:54] <knoppix> Snake__, if=/dev/sda of=mbr bs=512 count=1 --it says /dev/sda not found
[04:55] <Snake__> >.<
[04:55] <Snake__> No idea
[04:55] <Snake__> lol
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> knoppix: then the kernel does not recognize your device.
[04:55] <knoppix> knoppix kernel does, it can even mount it
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> knoppix: or it picked it up on another node like /dev/sdb
[04:55] <knoppix> LeeJunFan, its unionfs
[04:55] <knoppix> is it dev/unionfs/sda?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> knoppix: maybe, I don't know how /dev is layed out on knoppix.
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> knoppix: find /dev -name "sda"
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> you are simply trying to get your master boot record?
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> 512 will copy your partition tables too, you want 512 - 64 I think for mbr w/o partition tables.
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> knoppix_: you missed my last messages?
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> knoppix_: 512 bytes will copy your partition tables as well, you want 446 for just the mbr.
[05:01] <knoppix_> LeeJunFan, ok, it now says permission denied
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> knoppix_: are you root?
[05:09] <fatejudger> just curious, but how safe would it be to give "mount" user access?
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: depends on the partition, you can specify which mounts are user mountable in /etc/fstab with the user option.
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: unless you specify a uid= and or gid= for non unix fs's (ie FAT, NTFS) ownership of the mount and files contained within will be that of the user mounting them.
[05:21] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: well this has to do with the fstab
[05:21] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: you can't mount anonymous samba shares in the fstab
[05:21] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: you have to give it some sort of authentication, it's weird
[05:22] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and most Windows shares are accessed anonymously
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: using smbmount or smbclient I think you are okay.
[05:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I tried giving user access to smbmount
[05:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: but it still wouldn't work
[05:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: samba is very quirky
[05:24] <sean> Is there a way to remove the "for joined this server", "foo left this server" garbage in konversation version 0.19?
[05:26] <frank23> sean: I just figured it out:  Settings->Konversation->Chat Window->Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[05:26] <sean> Thank you SO much!
[05:27] <sean> I can finally see the conversation again!
[05:27] <frank23> sean: I don't it bothers me that much. maybe just changing those lines to a less annoying color would be better
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: sry, got sidetracked. I dunno, about the only samba I use is just doing it through konqueror via smb:/user:pass@host/
[05:50] <lubo> anyone here? :-))
[06:08] <lucas> boa noite
[06:10] <lucas> alguem poderia me dar uma ajudinha? eu estou procurando pelo arquivo libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[06:10] <lucas> p/ poder utilizar o firefox 1.5
[06:10] <lucas> alguem sabe onde posso encontrar?
[06:11] <Kyral> !es
[06:11] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:12] <Apocs> does someone know in wich repo the win32codecs for Kubuntu is?
[06:13] <Kyral> Apocs: are you using Dapper?
[06:13] <Apocs> Breezy
[06:13] <Kyral> okay nevermind then
[06:13] <Kyral> !w32codecs
[06:13] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[06:14] <Kyral> Though I will tell you, in Dapper the package libxine-extracodecs from Multiverse quite nicely replaces it
[06:14] <Apocs> ok
[06:29] <frank23> Kyral: what? wmv codecs are in multiverse in dapper?
[06:32] <mvv> someone knows why some channels aren't listed  in konversation? (they do in kvirc)
[06:33] <mvv> like #ubuntuforums for instance
[06:33] <frank23> mvv: what do you mean listed?
[06:34] <mvv> listed as in the channel list of freenode
[06:35] <mvv> like /list
[06:35] <mvv> ubuntu-NL too
[06:35] <Kyral> frank23: you honestly believe MS would make it easy to play WMV on Linux? :P
[06:35] <frank23> mvv: ubuntuforums is listed for me?
[06:36] <frank23> Kyral: no but  you said libxine-extracodecs replaces w32codecs
[06:36] <mvv> frank23: in konversation? well, that's strange
[06:36] <Kyral> frank23: for most things I have thrown at it
[06:36] <Kyral> I haven't tried WMV because I don't use the format
[06:37] <Kyral> it8712-isa-0290
[06:37] <Kyral> Adapter: ISA adapter
[06:37] <Kyral> VCore 1:   +1.73 V  (min =  +1.42 V, max =  +1.57 V)   ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> VCore 2:   +0.00 V  (min =  +2.40 V, max =  +2.61 V)   ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> +3.3V:     +6.53 V  (min =  +3.14 V, max =  +3.46 V)   ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> +5V:       +4.78 V  (min =  +4.76 V, max =  +5.24 V)
[06:37] <Kyral> +12V:     +11.84 V  (min = +11.39 V, max = +12.61 V)
[06:37] <Kyral> -12V:     -27.36 V  (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V)   ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> -5V:      -13.64 V  (min =  -5.26 V, max =  -4.77 V)   ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> Stdby:     +4.89 V  (min =  +4.76 V, max =  +5.24 V)
[06:37] <Kyral> VBat:      +3.22 V
[06:37] <frank23> Kyral: I'm sure you know better than that ;)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Kyral: pastebin?
[06:37] <Kyral> fan1:        0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM, div = 1)
[06:37] <Kyral> fan2:     2973 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)          ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> fan3:        0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)          ALARM
[06:37] <Kyral> M/B Temp:    +45C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +40C)   sensor = thermistor
[06:37] <Kyral> CPU Temp:    +29C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor
[06:37] <Kyral> Temp3:        -1C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = disabled
[06:37] <Kyral> whoops
[06:38] <Kyral> so thats what /cmd does.....
[06:38] <Kyral> I did /cmd sensors....
[06:38] <Kyral> sorry....
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ah...
[06:38] <Kyral> CPU Temp:    +29C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor
[06:38] <Kyral> hah!
[06:38] <Kyral> I did /cmd sensors | grep CPU
[06:38] <crimsun> dude flooder!
[06:38] <crimsun> sic 'im!
[06:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: here here!
[06:38] <Kyral> Meh STFU j00 n00b ;P
[06:39] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:39] <SkrotFFS> crimsun: Any idea when that alsa patch you mentioned a couple of days ago (about a intel HD card not making sound) will be in the kernel? :>
[06:39] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: which HDA issue?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Kyral, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:39] <robotgeek> :)
[06:39] <Kyral> robotgeek: wasn't a paste :P
[06:39] <crimsun> [seriously, saying HDA brings to mind like seven or eight different ones] 
[06:40] <SkrotFFS> crimsun: The card is found and everything, but cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp makes no sound
[06:40] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: which codec?
[06:40] <Kyral> and I have to get dressed...
[06:40] <SkrotFFS> snd_hda_codec
[06:40] <Kyral> I'm typing in my towel for crying out loud
[06:40] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: no, I mean from tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Kyral: TMI!
[06:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:40] <_robert> hi could someone help me how to install programs?
[06:41] <Kyral> !synaptic
[06:41] <ubotu> from memory, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:41] <SkrotFFS> crimsun: Ah, the SigmaTel STAC9200
[06:41] <Hobbsee> !adept
[06:41] <ubotu> I guess adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:41] <Kyral> Hobbsee: you wish :P
[06:41] <AngryElf> is there a way to uninstall kubuntu along with all of the dependant packages it installed?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> AngryElf: and keep ubuntu?
[06:41] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: that has already been merged. Ben mentioned perhaps pushing it out tomorrow or Wednesday.
[06:41] <AngryElf> yes
[06:41] <Hobbsee> AngryElf: remove libqt3-mt
[06:42] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: so, probably in archive by the end of the work week
[06:42] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[06:42] <fatejudger> AngryElf: :(
[06:42] <SkrotFFS> crimsun: Okay. What does that mean? There might be a kernel released on kernel.org within the week?
[06:42] <AngryElf> that'll remove the 2,000 packages that were installed with kubuntu-desktop?
[06:42] <bimberi> !install
[06:42] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[06:42] <Kyral> Well, NOW I'm dressed
[06:42] <Kyral> I had to put shorts on :P
[06:42] <crimsun> SkrotFFS: no, not kernel.org but in Dapper's archive
[06:42] <Hobbsee> brb
[06:42] <SkrotFFS> crimsun: Ahh, even better. :)
[06:43] <Kyral> Hobbse is gonna kill me lol
[06:43] <crimsun> she's getting dressed, shhh.
[06:43] <Kyral> lol
[06:43] <Kyral> And how do you know crimsun hmm?
[06:43] <_robert> could someone help me install programs in kubuntu i've never used the product before
[06:43] <Kyral> !apt
[06:43] <ubotu> hmm... apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[06:44] <Kyral> !adept
[06:44] <ubotu> adept is, like, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:44] <Kyral> !synaptic
[06:44] <ubotu> somebody said synaptic was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:44] <Kyral> take your pick :P
[06:44] <AngryElf> sorry fatejudger kubuntu is all kinds of broken over here :(
[06:44] <fatejudger> AngryElf: somehow I doubt that's KDEs fault...
[06:46] <AngryElf> shrug, kde refuses to remember settings i tell it, and i dont want to bother tracking down why
[06:46] <Kyral> wb Hobbsse, dressed now?
[06:46] <Kyral> *DUCKS!*
[06:48] <Kyral> OW!!!
[06:48] <Kyral> Blame crimsun! He said it!
[06:48] <fatejudger> lol
[06:48] <Kyral> [23:43]  <Kyral> Hobbse is gonna kill me lol
[06:48] <Kyral> [23:43]  <crimsun> she's getting dressed, shhh.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> nah, you know, i was driving home in my car in the nude...with a guy who i dropped off at the train station...
[06:48] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[06:48] <Kyral> whatever float your boat hun
[06:49] <Kyral> Damn Excel Saga has the same effect on me as Caffiene
[06:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: did you ever get that checkinstall package working?
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> that was the strangest ride to the train station I ever had.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: no i didnt...
[06:49] <Kyral> ...*twitch* Checkinstall
[06:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: did anyone ever fix it?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Kyral will...
[06:49] <fatejudger> Kyral: what's wrong with checkinstall?
[06:49] <crimsun> damn, that's good punishment
[06:49] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: lol
[06:50] <nalioth> fatejudger: nothing is wrong with it for an end user
[06:50] <Kyral> but for a potential MOTU to use it....
[06:50] <fatejudger> nalioth: hell to compile?
[06:50] <crimsun> it's only when people attempt to distribute packages made using checkinstall that ... well, we'll leave it at that.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> ugh, yes
[06:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: so how's that Audigy 2 fix coming?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> good thing ajmitch isnt in here...
[06:50] <Kyral> hehehe
[06:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: well, you have a 50/50 chance
[06:51] <Kyral> Must...not....cut....and....paste...
[06:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh great
[06:51] <crxyem> so anyone using amarok ?
[06:51] <Kyral> I do
[06:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: they delayed the Dapper release and I STILL have that bad of odds?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Kyral: hehe - just copy the entire thing while you're at it.  besides, it's in teh logs, anywya
[06:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, it has to be fixed before it's merged
[06:52] <fatejudger> compiling packages manually sucks though
[06:52] <fatejudger> checkinstall makes it faster
[06:52] <crimsun> that's kinda difficult since I have no hardware to test
[06:52] <Kyral> Checkinstall just takes the place of "Make Install"
[06:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: any way for me to test it?
[06:52] <crimsun> fatejudger: I'll ping you when I have something concrete
[06:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: k
[06:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: if I'm not on, leave me a memo
[06:52] <crimsun> sure.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Kyral: it's good, in that it doesnt leave install files everywhere, as make install does - lets you easily remove the rotten thing
[06:53] <Kyral> yah...good lord it installs into /usr/local
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but a package in a pbuilder is better :P
[06:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: leave me the pci id from ``lspci -nv'', please
[06:53] <Kyral> thats why Apt doesn't touch /usr/local
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[06:53] <nalioth> fatejudger: checkinstall has nothing to do with compiling
[06:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: or ``lsusb -v'' if relevant
[06:53] <bimberi> :P
[06:53] <Hobbsee> hi bimberi
[06:53] <fatejudger> nalioth: no, but it does have to do with packaging
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Kyral's gone hyper, so...
[06:53] <fatejudger> nalioth: and avoiding make install
[06:54] <Kyral> heheh ehehehe heheheh!
[06:54] <nalioth> fatejudger: and if you are only using it on your personal machine, there's nothing wrong with it
[06:54] <Kyral> but if I catch you distributing a CheckInstall pack...
[06:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok
[06:54] <nalioth> fatejudger: don't pass them around to anyone
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i wonder how many packages on the ubuntu forums there are that are made with checkinstall...
[06:55] <Hobbsee> those nm ones...
[06:55] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure i even want to think about it, let alone use it!
[06:55] <fatejudger> nalioth: I wasn't planning on it
[06:55] <Kyral> I don't vist the forums anymore
[06:55] <fatejudger> heh
[06:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: is this a kernel problem or something?
[06:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: 50/50
[06:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: you don't even know where the problem lies?
[06:56] <Kyral> I used to like crazy
[06:56] <Kyral> infact the reason I got Membership was because of the Forums
[06:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: which part of this output do you need?
[06:57] <crimsun> fatejudger: it's in one of two areas, neither of which is easily verifiable to me
[06:57] <bimberi> hi Hobbsee
[06:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: nothing is labeled as PCI ID
[06:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, I'll check the other
[06:57] <crimsun> fatejudger: in the lsusb -v output, it's the hex id string
[07:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: Bus 005 Device 005: ID 041e:3020 Creative Technology, Ltd SoundBlaster Audigy 2 NX
[07:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: that?
[07:01] <fatejudger> crimsun: there's tons of items that say ID in front of them
[07:01] <fatejudger> crimsun: and that have hex
[07:01] <fatejudger> crimsun:   idVendor           0x041e Creative Technology, Ltd
[07:01] <fatejudger> crimsun:   idProduct          0x3020 SoundBlaster Audigy 2 NX
[07:01] <fatejudger> pardon my flooding
[07:01] <fatejudger> heh
[07:06] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: you should also know better...
[07:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yes, I suppose so
[07:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I didn't know it would get that long
[07:09] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[07:33] <nalioth> fatejudger: that's why we don't paste.  (my one line of text = 3 or four lines <or more> on a smaller display)
[07:37] <fatejudger> nalioth: that's why I have a 1920x1200 pixel display :)
[07:39] <nalioth> i have a 1680x1050 and i can fill a 640x480 screen right quick with one line pasted
[07:40] <fatejudger> nalioth: meh, I didn't paste that much
[07:40] <nalioth> fatejudger: i know, but some folks have no idea their "small" paste is gonna go 4 or 6 lines
[07:41] <fatejudger> that wasn't what I did though
[07:54] <GNU_Style> just installed kubuntu dapper flight 5
[07:54] <GNU_Style> can I rely on this OS?
[07:54] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: no, it'll erase all your data
[07:55] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: which is why we all use it
[07:55] <GNU_Style> fatejudger: funny
[07:55] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: because we love erased data
[07:55] <GNU_Style> fatejudger: nice tech supporting scaring people
[07:55] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: my teacher always gets a kick out of it when I show up to class without my Lab Report
[07:56] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: he says "Hah, it must be that new Dapper Flight 5 again, hmm?"
[07:56] <fatejudger> GNU_Style: and we all have a good laugh about it
[07:57] <robotgeek> lol.
[07:57] <robotgeek> GNU_Style: you might have problems from time to time, but i have been using dapper for a long time now without any issues
[07:58] <GNU_Style> robotgeek: thanks :) no problems so far
[08:02] <petriai> Hello, I just switched from gnome to kubuntu, is there some special program for MSN chat for KDE ? Earlier I used gaim ...
[08:02] <fatejudger> petriai: Kopete
[08:02] <robotgeek> petriai: use kopete
[08:02] <petriai> ok thanks, I will try that one
[08:02] <fatejudger> it's far better than gaim IMO
[08:03] <me2win> kopete FTL
[08:06] <Kyral> night all
[08:06] <fatejudger> Kyral: night
[08:06] <petriai> ok seems to work fine. another question: is there some centralized place where keyboard shortcuts are defined? Seems to be that something is eating keys like ctrl-f9 which is used in Idea to compile project
[08:09] <robotgeek> petriai: systemsettings -> regional and accessibility -> kb shortcuts
[08:14] <petriai> looks like ctrl-F9 is not defined in kb shortcuts, still it doesn't work with Idea... Any ideas where to look next ?
[08:14] <robotgeek> petriai: even in application shortucts?
[08:14] <klugez> petriai: how many virtual desktops do you have?
[08:14] <petriai> klugez: 4
[08:15] <klugez> ok, can't be it then
[08:15] <petriai> this is fresh dapper install
[08:15] <petriai> ok now i found it... ctrl-f9 = switch to desktop 9
[08:16] <petriai> but is it possible to define if certain application is active, it overrides all global shortcuts ?
[08:17] <fatejudger> it should do that automatically
[08:19] <petriai> looks like it doesnt... ctrl-f9 started working in Idea after I removed it from Shortcut Sequences
[08:39] <Eighties1> whens dapper come out?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> Eighties1: june
[08:39] <Eighties1> i thought it was april
[08:39] <Eighties1> i was ganna ask when in april...
[08:39] <Eighties1> :-\
[08:40] <Eighties1> when was it pushed back?
[08:41] <ncaller> anyone know what to do with a .skz (I'm trying to install liquid weather++) for superkaramba, that is the file I was led to download when I followed the white rabbit
[08:42] <ncaller> well the unzip command just worked on it so it must be some kind of compression extension
[08:43] <frank23> ncaller: you probably can open the .skz with superkaramba directly
[08:44] <frank23> .skz = superkarambazip maybe ?
[08:44] <me2win> ncaller, frank23 .skz is a format for superkaramba. you CAN run it with superkaramba. or you can extract it and run the .theme files
[08:44] <me2win> either way works
[08:44] <me2win> it just exists as a way to package many sub themes into 1 package
[08:45] <me2win> without having to mess with lotsa files
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> What's the kde trash location?
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> By the way, people who have joined since our discussion a few hours ago, I had some fun today, and set out to trick Windows users and combat the excuse for not trying Linux of "I'm used to Windows".  Check out the screenies of my results at http://www3.sympatico.ca/anthony.yarusso/kdewinxp/ and let me know what you think.
[08:50] <thoreauputic_> tonyyarusso: I assume the trash dir is ~/.Trash
[08:50] <thoreauputic_> can't find a specific KDE location
[08:50] <ncaller> ahhh on skz that makes since
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic_: Nah, that's just Gnome.  Got it in #kde just now though, ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ .
[08:51] <thoreauputic_> tonyyarusso: ah, OK
[08:51] <thoreauputic_> seems like an odd way to locate trash, but whatever ;-)
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> I could still do a little tweaking with icons and what shows up as the program name in the title bar, but those screenshots are seriously close to Windows XP, so I'm feeling pretty crafty today.  ;)
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic_: Very much so.
[08:53] <ncaller> I thought the trash was on "root/. garbage." at least that's where dade said it was
[08:55] <ncaller> I think that with some help/training a lot of windows users could easily switch to kubuntu and also they would find that they have some very useful apps installed by default that they would have had to go to the trouble to pirate on windows right away.
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> GNU_Style: Hey, you didn't stick around long enough to see my screenshots, did you?  I think you left before they were up.  http://www3.sympatico.ca/anthony.yarusso/kdewinxp/
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> ncaller: I think you're right.  They just don't realize that they could survive in something different.
[08:57] <ncaller> I mean look at it: pirate software for "most" windows users will get them: viruses, spyware, malware, etc in the process as they browse to the appropriate sites to find such gems
[08:59] <GNU_Style> i just installed ubuntu drapper, I cant boot to my winxp partition now, :(
[08:59] <GNU_Style> these no error it just say chainloading +1
[08:59] <me2win> GNU_Style, did you install grub?
[09:00] <GNU_Style> me2win: yes at mbr
[09:00] <ncaller> kubuntu also has a high WAR (Wife Approval Rating) as far as other linux/bsd distro's I run in my house.  My wife (who could care less about computers) loves amarok, amule, ktorrent, gwenview, konqueror, and aside from telling her what they were initially I haven't had to train her on them at all.
[09:01] <GNU_Style> theres no error in grubs menu it just say chainloading +1, and nothing happens
[09:01] <me2win> your wife like ktorrent?
[09:01] <me2win> hubbah hubbah
[09:01] <ncaller> yeah
[09:01] <ncaller> give and ye shall recieve...
[09:01] <robotgeek> kde 3.5.2 is very nice :)
[09:01] <ncaller> err not you though
[09:01] <ncaller> me
[09:02] <me2win> lol
[09:02] <ncaller> hehe
[09:02] <me2win> if my gf knew how much stuff i downloaded from the usenet, she would pwn my face
[09:02] <me2win> she hates pirates
[09:02] <me2win> pirating*
[09:03] <ncaller> tell her you are pre-backingup in case you ever get your one-legal copy
[09:09] <me2win> lol
[09:09] <me2win> what about all the tv shows
[09:09] <me2win> and movies?
[09:09] <me2win> lol
[09:25] <ncaller> you can record those anyways to vcr who cares
[09:26] <noiesmo> hey all I just installed kubuntui dapper and want to add compiz-kde xgl desktop I have added universe and multiverse done updates do I need to do a dist-upgrade?
[09:26] <robotgeek> !xgl
[09:26] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:27] <simian__> with xgl working properly is there still a need to install nvidia/ati drivers?
[09:28] <cowboyfeng> Is there some clever way of installing software without access to the internet?
[09:28] <PDR60> join #mandriva
[09:29] <PDR60> yes
[09:29] <PDR60> I have a how to on my site
[09:29] <PDR60> it does require internet access
[09:30] <cowboyfeng> what is your site
[09:31] <PDR60> www.linuxloader,com
[09:34] <cowboyfeng> nice site
[09:34] <PDR60> Thanks
[09:34] <PDR60> I just started supporting Kubuntu a couple of weeks ago
[09:34] <pvh> It would be most excellent if the /usr/share/xmodmap/* files could be moved out of "gnome-applets-data"
[09:35] <pvh> I mention this here in case a Kubuntu dev is around.
[09:35] <cowboyfeng> im pretty new to the whole linux experience
[09:35] <PDR60> How do you like it so far
[09:35] <cowboyfeng> got an old beater computer from the rents and dicided to isntall kubuntu
[09:36] <cowboyfeng> Very professional looking system just can't seem to add any programs at least not easily
[09:36] <robotgeek> PDR60: why not add that information to the wiki too?
[09:36] <cowboyfeng> I have been trying to install quanta plus but I can't seem to track down all of the dependencies
[09:36] <PDR60> wiki??
[09:37] <cowboyfeng> Really pissing me off
[09:37] <ncaller> anycowboyfeng: sure you can do apt-get or adept off a local repository such as cdrom, or harddrive, flashdrive, etc.
[09:37] <cowboyfeng> Then I did something that uninstalled kde
[09:37] <PDR60> to add programs use adept
[09:37] <robotgeek> cowboyfeng: you can get a list of all dependenices by doing aptcache depends quanta-plus
[09:38] <PDR60> follow the end of my how to to get the sources you nees
[09:38] <PDR60> need
[09:38] <PDR60> you'll end up with close to 18000 packages
[09:40] <kosh> umm sudo apt-get install quanta    will install quanta
[09:40] <kosh> there is no need to deal with source
[09:40] <kosh> you could also use adept to do the same thing essentially
[09:41] <PDR60> by sources i mean repositories sorry
[09:43] <cowboyfeng> seems like I need to be on the net
[09:43] <cowboyfeng> right now I can't access from the linux machine no modem that will work
[09:44] <kosh> what kind of modem do you have?
[09:44] <kosh> hmm the kubuntu cd comes with quanta on it I thought
[09:44] <cowboyfeng> agere?
[09:45] <kosh> huh?
[09:46] <cowboyfeng> Actually it doesn't really matter my brother is getting high speed tomorrow then I will hook up directly
[09:46] <cowboyfeng> hopefully
[09:47] <PDR60> you'll really enjoy then
[09:48] <kosh> I can't even imagine using a computer without a perm net connection
[09:48] <ncaller> quanta/KDevelop/eclipse are an awesome combination
[09:48] <ncaller> yeah working on someone's dialup kills me
[09:48] <kosh> I have to admit I don't like using eclipse
[09:49] <ncaller> to get a full linux experience, you really need broadband these days
[09:49] <kosh> I find it far too slow and takes too much memory
[09:49] <kosh> which kills the db stuff I am working on
[09:49] <ncaller> well it does take a lot yes
[09:49] <PDR60> I love quanta
[09:49] <kosh> I have 2G of ram
[09:50] <kosh> and I work on db code, I find that eclipse uses enough ram that it really slows stuff down
[09:50] <ncaller> I have 1GB, I'm getting a second Gb in 2 weeks
[09:50] <cowboyfeng> I am tired of windows and the cost so I am looking into a new dev enviorment
[09:50] <ncaller> what language?
[09:50] <kosh> the stuff I am doing is python
[09:50] <kosh> however the problem is ram for caching the db
[09:51] <cowboyfeng> ya I am starting to learn python
[09:51] <ncaller> kosh: what kind of db?
[09:51] <cowboyfeng> mostly though I am just setting up simple websites
[09:51] <kosh> it is a zope db
[09:51] <kosh> most of the ones I am testing are 1-3GB in size
[09:51] <ncaller> sounds like an excuse for a second box
[09:51] <ncaller> err I mean reason, a reason for a second box
[09:52] <kosh> so with 2G I can run a full kde setup with all the dev tools and still have most of the db cached
[09:52] <kosh> well once this current contract is finished and a bit more I should be able to get my new box
[09:52] <kosh> going to upgrade to a dual dual opteron setup with 8G of ram
[09:52] <ncaller> I'm also upgrading to a nvidia 7800GT, and dumping this ATI junk on someone not running linux
[09:53] <kosh> I am going to wait for the 7900gtx
[09:53] <ncaller> just to outdo me?
[09:53] <kosh> since it has dual dual dvi instead of dual single
[09:54] <kosh> no because it runs cooler, uses less power, comes with more ram and supports dual dual dvi
[09:54] <kosh> get two of them to run a quad monitor setup
[09:54] <ncaller> oh the FXF 7800 GT I'm getting for PCI-e has dualhead DVI
[09:54] <mornfall> kosh: what would anyone need 4 monitors for
[09:55] <kosh> development
[09:55] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk  that is my current setup
[09:55] <mornfall> development of what
[09:55] <kosh> two monitors at 1152x864 + two at 1600x1200
[09:55] <mornfall> you must do something very complicated, since i code on a single 1024 screen just fine
[09:56] <kosh> unless you have used multiple monitors you can't understand
[09:56] <ncaller> you know what I like to see in Linux is when I view top, even if KDE and all my GUI apps use a ton of RAM, at least  I see the RAM used, before swap is touched, unlike a windows box equiv which starts paging as soon as it boots
[09:56] <kosh> I can have docs, code, logs, output all visible at the same time
[09:56] <kosh> it saves a huge ammount of time
[09:56] <mornfall> kosh: of course i have
[09:56] <mornfall> i have patched kwin xinerama to make it less useless
[09:56] <mornfall> but it is still not worth it
[09:56] <ncaller> well I agree, I have a single 1024x768 LCD at home and I can code fine in it in vim or whatever, but at work I have dual 20" LCD's and lets just say the experience is very nice
[09:57] <ncaller> you can definately get used to it
[09:57] <kosh> what did you change about xinerama?
[09:57] <mornfall> extstrut support -- so that kicker on one monitor does not reserve space on all
[09:57] <ncaller> he aliased xinerama to `cat /dev/urandom`
[09:58] <kosh> hmm I have not seen that issue in a long time now
[09:58] <kosh> not since kde 3.3 or so
[09:58] <mornfall> i never commited the kicker patch thou
[09:58] <mornfall> gh
[09:58] <ncaller> back in a few, gotta try to fix my poor ATI drivers :(
[09:58] <kosh> yeah it got fixed at some point
[09:59] <kosh> I know it sure has helped though being able to see the code, the app, and the log information at the same time
[09:59] <kosh> I can do something in the app, see what is going on, live reload the code etc
[10:00] <kosh> heck if I could easily run 8 monitors I would probably do that :)
[10:00] <kosh> but I have not seen any quad pci-e motherboards right now
[10:01] <kosh> however late this year tyan is supposed to come out with the k9we which is a dual opteron workstation board with quad pci-e/16
[10:01] <mornfall> kosh: uhm, you would need a chair with wireles keyboard to move from monitor to monitor
[10:01] <kosh> no you wouldn't
[10:01] <kosh> you could easily stack them 4 wide and 2 high
[10:01] <mornfall> easily?
[10:01] <kosh> my desk is custom made and would support that just fine
[10:01] <kosh> well I have 4 side by side right now with no issues
[10:09] <Nabiki> What is the name of the app to configure the kde desktop?
[10:12] <n3storm> Nabiki: kcontrol
[10:12] <n3storm> or system settings
[10:13] <Nabiki> Thanks!
[10:17] <burepe> what is the command to list mounted devices?
[10:20] <Nabiki> Thanks!!
[10:20] <Nabiki> I think that the feel of KDE is actually pretty good. :-)
[10:22] <burepe> I have a partition on an sd card that is "hidden" and it won't let me delete it with qtparted. How do I format a drive in the command line?
[10:25] <kosh> burepe: df
[10:25] <kosh> burepe: hmm cfdisk should allow you to repartition a drive
[10:25] <kosh> burepe: however the drive might not let you partition it
[10:29] <iGadget> morning
[10:30] <iGadget> Has anyone experienced any problems with adept updater today on dapper?
[10:30] <iGadget> Mine says 'Sorry - Could not find mime type application/octet-stream'
[10:31] <kosh> no issues here that I can see
[10:31] <kosh> and I just upgraded to make sure I had the most recent version
[10:31] <iGadget> hmmm...
[10:32] <iGadget> weird part is that it simply continues when I click okay
[10:32] <mornfall> iGadget: it should work despite that message
[10:32] <iGadget> mornfall: indeed :)\
[10:32] <mornfall> it's apparently a kdesu bug
[10:32] <mornfall> or something like that, anyway
[10:33] <iGadget> allright.. and what about warning messages about archives not being authenticated?
[10:33] <iGadget> I sometimes get that when I use synaptic instead of adept
[10:34] <Ptarmigan> morning all *waves generally in everyone's direction*
[10:34] <iGadget> does adept simply ignore that check or is synaptic simply paranoia?
[10:34] <iGadget> morning Ptarmigan
[10:36] <kosh> I don't think that adept ignores it
[10:36] <mornfall> it does
[10:36] <kosh> since when I use apt-get it tells me when something is not signed
[10:36] <mornfall> there's no auth support in adept
[10:37] <iGadget> whoops
[10:37] <kosh> hmm that seems strange since the signed thing is part of apt-get
[10:38] <mornfall> well, neither synaptic nor adept nor aptitude use apt-*get*
[10:38] <mornfall> there's libapt-pkg, which probably has the support but you explicitely need to use it
[10:38] <mornfall> patches welcome, as always
[10:39] <mornfall> well, post-dapper anyway
[10:39] <mornfall> since we are feature frozen
[10:40] <iGadget> mornfall: and you'd consider this a feature instead of a bug? :P
[10:40] <kosh> well I would consider it a bug but also a big deal to fix at this point
[10:40] <kosh> that could cascade to other problems
[10:40] <kosh> so it should be documented as a bug and left as is for now
[10:41] <mornfall> it's not a bug sorry, that's like saying not using selinux in dapper is a bug
[10:41] <iGadget> err
[10:41] <iGadget> it's not? :D
[10:41] <kosh> not checking the validity of a package I would classify as a bug
[10:41] <kosh> it is just like accepting non validated input
[10:42] <mornfall> md5 is checked, it is only not tamper-proof
[10:52] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player  ubuntu on a p3 1.0 ghz 512 ram
[10:52] <kosh> are you playing from a cd or from the hard drive?
[10:52] <odat> hard drive
[10:52] <kosh> ide?
[10:52] <odat> yes
[10:53] <kosh> can you tell me what sudo hdparm /dev/hda   says for the dma option?
[10:53] <odat> kosh, dma is on
[10:54] <odat> hold on though let me check to make sure
[10:54] <kosh> what kind of video is it?
[10:54] <kosh> if it says on then it is on
[10:54] <kosh> sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda | grep DMA   how about that and just paste the line you get from that
[10:55] <odat> kosh, says using dma = 1
[10:56] <kosh> no the line I just gave you
[10:56] <kosh> it will actually show the exact dma mode used
[10:56] <odat> DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[10:57] <kosh> thanks
[10:58] <kosh> okay so that is not the problem at all then
[10:58] <kosh> what kind of video are you playing, how big is it?
[10:58] <odat> mpeg2 5 megs
[10:59] <kosh> okay so tiny file then
[10:59] <kosh> and not hard from a cpu perspective
[10:59] <kosh> just making sure you where not trying to play one of those hd video at 1920x1200 or something like that :)
[11:00] <odat> its 720 x 539
[11:01] <kosh> is this a video I could just download somewhere so I could try it here?
[11:01] <kosh> just to see if it is some strange video problem or a your setup problem type deal
[11:01] <brunft> Howdy, has someone an idea concerning this ... http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4305.msg16771#msg16771 ?
[11:02] <odat> already did that
[11:02] <odat> this is a video that has the sync problems on my slower machine so i sent it to myself on my faster machine and its fine
[11:02] <kosh> can you use mplayer from the command line to play it
[11:03] <kosh> ie just mplayer /path/to/file
[11:03] <kosh> it will write out all kinds of useful information to the terminal
[11:03] <kosh> like it will tell you if something is not setup very well etc
[11:04] <kosh> that other thing to do is run xvinfo and see what it has there
[11:04] <kosh> basically if it has anything other then no xv found you are fine
[11:05] <odat> ok i did it what am i looking for?
[11:05] <kosh> the xv one or the mplayer one?
[11:07] <odat> mplayer
[11:44] <burepe> kosh thanks
[11:51] <treakath> hey
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:52] <treakath> how are you
[11:52] <treakath> ?
[11:53] <OdyX> fine.
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad  - self?
[11:53] <treakath> im good
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[11:54] <treakath> what linux have you got?
[11:55] <treakath> im geting dapper when it comes out
[11:56] <OdyX> well... I'm on updated Kubuntu Dapper...
[11:57] <treakath> how do i update from Kubuntu to Dapper??
[11:58] <OdyX> treakath: it is pretty easy... but you have to know this is TEST (TEST) version....
[11:59] <treakath> are you on amsn??
[11:59] <treakath> or msn
[12:00] <OdyX> no...
[12:00] <OdyX> (are you crazy ?)
[12:00] <OdyX> only Jabber...
[12:02] <treakath> kk
[12:05] <treakath> im bored
[12:05] <OdyX> oh...
[12:05] <treakath> yea
[12:06] <treakath> hehehe
[12:11] <treakath> OdyX what are you uptoo
[12:12] <OdyX> shut up you fire... :D
[12:12] <OdyX> dead man burning is not allowed to make noise...
[12:12] <OdyX> :D
[12:12] <OdyX> OK.. seriously..
[12:12] <OdyX> what you do mean?
[12:13] <treakath> who?
[12:13] <OdyX> you
[12:14] <treakath> what did i do
[12:18] <OdyX> kosh: my marshmallows are becoming cold... We have to find other living fire..
[12:20] <kosh> hehe
[12:37] <psb154> I am new to kubuntu, can you tell me what 'apt-get install' I would have to run in order to get kubuntu kernel source. I have a web cam driver that requires it.
[12:38] <kosh> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[12:39] <psb154> kosh: thanks, do I have to create a directory structure or will that all happen automatically?
[12:41] <kosh> automatically
[12:41] <psb154> kosh: thanks
[12:53] <jorik> uhm im having a problem
[12:53] <jorik> can someone please explain to me how i can find the IP address of a website ?
[12:54] <OdyX> jorik: try to "ping" it..
[12:54] <OdyX> ping http://website.tld
[12:54] <jorik> ok imma give it a try
[12:55] <jorik> yay got it ! ;-)
[12:55] <jorik> thx, now i can get around this msn2go-blocking proxy =)
[12:55] <OdyX> Use Jabber...
[12:55] <OdyX> and transports.
[12:56] <seroxat> does kubuntu come with gaim and firefox and such apps?
[12:56] <jorik> i can't install stuff at work
[12:56] <jorik> (and even if i found a way i'd be to chickin to do it :-)
[12:56] <jorik> seroxat, yes it does
[12:56] <jorik> [[tho i recommend opera over firefox] ] 
[12:57] <seroxat> last time i tried it it came with kopete and stuff
[12:57] <seroxat> which i didnt like too much
[12:57] <seroxat> no gaim or anything
[12:57] <jorik> no gaim ? are you sure ?
[12:57] <seroxat> pretty much :)
[12:57] <jorik> well, if so ... open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install gaim; gaim"
[12:57] <seroxat> and when i did apt-get dist-upgrade my system couldnt boot later on
[12:58] <seroxat> it got stuck at "checking battery status.."
[12:58] <seroxat> as far as i know my computer doesnt have a battery except the bios battery :)
[01:00] <jorik> yeah im havin the same thing lol
[01:00] <jorik> but it doesnt freeze here
[01:02] <jorik> cant you disable the init script ?
[01:28] <haakonn> i recently discovered that flash files in firefox have no sound. they used to have. i don't know what has happened. no sound in mozilla either. i've tried quitting amarok and all. lsof/fuser says /dev/dsp is not busy. tried various forum suggestions i found, none did anything. any suggestions?
[01:29] <OdyX> quit f*** proprietary stuff ?
[01:29] <OdyX> OK
[01:29] <OdyX> Seriously
[01:29] <OdyX> no idea
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> OdyX: please, that wasnt very constructive :/
[01:30] <OdyX> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed.. OK... but as nobody answers...
[01:30] <OdyX> but if it not wished.. I can stop it and become serious (and boring)
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> OdyX: just "i have no idea" would have been fine :)
[01:30] <haakonn> yes, i'm not comfortable about that aspect
[01:30] <OdyX> OK...
[01:31] <OdyX> for better helping..
[01:31] <OdyX> try to download a flash animation on your disk
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb - just moving this laptop
[01:31] <OdyX> try to launch some music (just to see if sound's working)
[01:31] <jorik> haakonn, well uhm ... im having amarok on right now and uhm
[01:31] <haakonn> oh, i have sound in all other programs i know of, just not flash
[01:32] <OdyX> OK
[01:32] <jorik> "" lsof | grep /dev/dsp "" doesnt return anything either here
[01:32] <OdyX> download one animation on your harddisk..
[01:32] <haakonn> jorik:  i have sound in amarok, i just quit it to make sure it wasn't blocking anything
[01:32] <OdyX> try to download swf-player
[01:32] <jorik> yeah i know what you mean but i dont think /dev/dsp gets blocked (used?) by amarok because its not in use when arts is on
[01:33] <haakonn> jorik:  i guess not, just wanted to make perfectly clear :)
[01:33] <jorik> ((i'd think its /dev/sound/card0 or something like it <---- NOT SCRIPTURE))
[01:33] <haakonn> OdyX:  hm, i apt'ed in swf-player at least
[01:34] <jorik> tried "killall artsd" ?
[01:34] <haakonn> jorik:  yes, as root just to be sure :)
[01:36] <joan> re
[01:36] <jorik> perhaps do a " lsof | grep /dev/ | grep -v /dev/null " and see if anything is taking a /dev/snd or /dev/mixer
[01:37] <jorik> and if maybe artsd is still running after all
[01:39] <haakonn> jorik:  thanks, i see a "java" holding /dev/mixer, weird
[01:39] <jorik> got any java programs running ?
[01:39] <jorik> if unsure ... just try killin it ;-)
[01:40] <haakonn> killed, restarted firefox, went back to homestarrunner.com, but still no sound
[01:40] <haakonn> jackd is holding five things in /dev/snd/*
[01:41] <haakonn> "low-latency sound server", suspicous!
[01:42] <haakonn> WOOT, killed jackd and sound is back :) thanks for the hints
[01:43] <jorik> np man its not like i knew what i was doin =p
[01:44] <Snake[Sleep] > Iirc, the problem with flash and the sound is that that sound server wont give it up for like... a rediculas amount of time, im trying find the settings to turn it fown
[01:45] <Snake[Sleep] > down**
[01:45] <Snake[Sleep] > I found it before, but now its escaping me
[01:46] <Snake[Sleep] > AH HA! Kcontrol --> Sound and Multimedia --> Sound System....if you turn down auto-suspend I believe that fixes the flash problem
[01:47] <haakonn> Snake[Sleep] :  thanks, but isn't the kcontrol stuff just for arts?
[01:47] <Snake[Sleep] > haakonn: Oh, im sorry, I didnt see the whole issue then >.<
[01:47] <Snake[Sleep] > Well as long as you go it straightned out :)
[01:48] <GnarusLeo> Hi! I have just done "sudo apt-get install kde-desktop" to change from gnome to kde ... but now azureus wont work (its babling about some java or something) ... should I change my repos or something?
[01:48] <haakonn> i have a filling i will have to kill mr. jackd more times, but at least i'll know what to do
[01:48] <OdyX> GnarusLeo: better sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:48] <haakonn> s/filling/fealing/
[01:48] <GnarusLeo> OdyX, thats what i meant :)
[01:48] <OdyX> GnarusLeo: Ok
[01:58] <GnarusLeo> I have seen some neat screenshots of a "dock" thing for kde ... Its like a program launcher .. how do I get this?
[02:10] <cryptom> hi all, when I plug in an usb stick (or hd), i get in syslog the following message every second (kubuntu breezy, kde 3.5.1 and also 3.5.2)
[02:10] <cryptom> kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8000002
[02:10] <cryptom> kernel:    : Current: sense key=0x0
[02:10] <cryptom> kernel:     ASC=0x0 ASCQ=0x0
[02:10] <cryptom> and the stick is not automounted
[02:11] <cryptom> does anyone know why that happens?
[02:11] <Sergi0> isnt there an applet for the pannel for killing apps? there is one in gnome i believe, would be handy
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure Sergi0, you could make a luancher for xkill though
[02:11] <Sergi0> probaly will do that :)
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> cryptom: i don't know - are your hal, udev and kernel up to date?
[02:13] <cryptom> kernel is 2.6.16 (self compiled, udev and hal are from kubuntu
[02:13] <cryptom> hal: 0.5.3-0ubuntu14
[02:14] <cryptom> udev: 0.060-1ubuntu15
[02:14] <Sergi0> cryptom: using dapper?
[02:14] <cryptom> breezy with kde 3.5.2
[02:15] <cryptom> it worked with kde 3.5.0, cant tell whether it broke after installing kde 3.5.1. but it never worked with 3.5.1
[02:15] <morzel> http://www.centos.org/127_story.html?storyid=127
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> cryptom: what happens if your using the default kernel?
[02:18] <cryptom> i didnt try, but i read that one has to use 2.6.15 at least to get kde 3.5.1 working
[02:18] <Sergi0> cryptom u could just try the default kernel, for testing only the usb
[02:19] <cryptom> sure, i will
[02:32] <nico8481> h
[02:32] <nico8481> hi
[02:33] <OdyX> hi
[02:33] <duality> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151391&highlight=Installing+XGL
[02:33] <duality> gl
[02:35] <GnarusLeo> Hi ... I have some "volume down - volume uo - mute" buttons on my laptop .. these worked great with gnome, but not with kde ... how do I enable these again?
[02:47] <GnarusLeo> Hi ... I have some "volume down - volume uo - mute" buttons on my laptop .. these worked great with gnome, but not with kde ... how do I enable these again? I cant start /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup either
[03:04] <mhterres> morning
[05:26] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[05:28] <cycus_zwisus> how to make gnome apps (under kde of course) use other than default icon sets?
[06:07] <slow-motion> bbl maybe
[06:10] <pichi> hello
[06:11] <pichi> i have change form kanotix to ubuntu now..
[06:15] <pichi> test 123
[06:15] <Tm_T> pichi: yay!
[06:15] <pichi> tmt: ok tnx
[06:15] <Tm_T> pichi: what's biggest differences you noticed thus far?
[06:23] <smoosh> hi, i've got breezy, when i start the system, i've got about 420MB of ram used... how can i optimize it?
[06:23] <_david> my xorg is constantly running at about 60% CPU
[06:23] <_david> on an AMD64 3500+, that's not normal is it?
[06:24] <Tm_T> smoosh: how you measure it?
[06:24] <Tm_T> _david: same to you
[06:25] <_david> top
[06:25] <smoosh> Tm_T: i've used KsysGuard
[06:25] <_david> 7745 root      18   0  266m  49m 1380 R 39.1  9.9 198:25.82 Xorg
[06:25] <_david> 39.1 here
[06:26] <smoosh> _david: i've got an amd 4000+ but for me Xorg is about 0.5%
[06:26] <spiritz> less than 10% here
[06:26] <_david> yes, so it's not normal
[06:26] <_david> I'm running proprietary Ati drivers, breezy
[06:27] <_david> 512mb ram
[06:27] <_david> Ati 9800Pro
[06:27] <Tm_T> smoosh: "free | grep buffers/cache"
[06:27] <spiritz> _david: have you tried rebooting?
[06:27] <_david> I'll try in a minute
[06:27] <_david> hope that helps
[06:27] <_david> all, or just X?
[06:27] <smoosh> -/+ buffers/cache:     186232     835548
[06:28] <smoosh> Tm_T:  -/+ buffers/cache:     186232     835548
[06:28] <Tm_T> smoosh: that's less than 200M ram used
[06:28] <Tm_T> so no worries
[06:29] <smoosh> Tm_T:  oh, ok :)   thank you!
[06:29] <Tm_T> smoosh: np, linux uses all free mem as cache/buffer if needed, it's just reasonable
[06:30] <smoosh> Tm_T:  thanx also for this info ;)
[06:31] <Tm_T> smoosh: when you look that mem graph in KsysGuard, you see it's in three "layers" only the lowest one is something you should look carefully
[06:32] <trappist> 200M of ram is still a lot if nothing's going on
[06:33] <Tm_T> trappist: actually it's not much because when you're in KDE, there's lots going on already ;)
[06:33] <smoosh> Tm_T:  great, nice to know this...
[06:33] <Tm_T> trappist: in my daily use, and it's not light, I rarely use more than 450M ram
[06:34] <trappist> Tm_T: not 200M worth.  shouldn't be, at least.  I usually only run into memory troubles when I use an app (most notably gimv) that fails to clean up after itself and X hangs onto all the pixmaps
[06:35] <Tm_T> uuh
[06:36] <_intel> anyone have experience wiht ivtv driver and tvtime?
[06:36] <smoosh> Tm_T: yes, the lowes layer in ksysGuard is a little bit under 200MB (as the free command said)
[06:37] <smoosh> i've another question (but this one is not of vital importance)...
[06:38] <smoosh> sometimes, my default screensaver don't start after the timeout that i've set... any tips about it?
[06:40] <Tm_T> kde version?
[06:40] <smoosh> Tm_T: 3.4.3
[06:41] <Tm_T> smoosh: hmm, 3.5.2 will be released soon, I think we will get breezy packages for it too
[06:41] <Tm_T> soon means any daynow
[06:42] <smoosh> Tm_T: 3.5.2 for breezy? great!
[06:43] <trappist> Tm_T: I run a dual head setup here with two instances of kde (and kicker etc.) and I'm just barely at 200M usage with apache2, postgres, mysql, and god knows what running, plus a memory-intensive script running at the moment
[06:43] <Tm_T> trappist: yup, I runned KDE with 64M ram year ago
[06:44] <Tm_T> trappist: it depends so much about settings you use
[06:44] <trappist> I used to run it on a 300mhz box with 128M and I played quake3 and ut on it
[06:44] <Tm_T> yup
[06:44] <Tm_T> as I said...
[06:44] <trappist> Tm_T: that's what I meant about 200M being high - if you're using that much, there's probably stuff going on that you didn't intend
[06:46] <bhna> Tm_T: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 kde 3.5.2 packages are there since 3 days
[06:48] <smoosh> but i can't see it in synaptic... why?
[06:48] <trappist> smoosh: you haven't added those sources
[06:49] <smoosh> trappist: but this ones are not into the official ubuntu repository?
[06:49] <trappist> smoosh: definitely not in breezy.  I don't know about dapper.
[06:50] <trappist> things like that don't go into the repos of stable releases
[06:50] <Tm_T> bhna: I know, but 3.5.2 isn't released yet so it's just for testing atm
[06:51] <trappist> Tm_T: according to kde.org it's released
[06:51] <Tm_T> bhna: I'm running 3.5.2
[06:51] <Tm_T> trappist: it is?!
[06:51] <trappist> I just looked
[06:51] <trappist> I didn't think it was either
[06:51] <Tm_T> whoa
[06:51] <bhna> Tm_T: kde 3.5.2 is released: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.2.php
[06:51] <Tm_T> ah, today it happened... :)
[06:52] <Tm_T> good
[06:52] <Tm_T> verygood
[06:52] <trappist> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[06:52] <Tm_T> so, ignore me =)
[06:54] <_mindspin> kubuntu packages avaiable ? ;-)
[06:54] <_mindspin> just kidding
[06:54] <mhterres> no yet :-)
[06:55] <trappist> well I guess it's still not in dapper
[06:55] <trappist> I'm in the middle of up(date|grade) and it's still 3.5.1
[06:56] <_mindspin> I didn't expect it to be when it was released today
[06:56] <trappist> yeah but I didn't expect breezy to get it first!
[06:57] <_mindspin> hey they are...
[07:00] <Tm_T> raphink: moin
[07:00] <jorik> what are the devices that get "hogged" when you play sound ?
[07:01] <Dasnipa`> depends if its onboard or not
[07:01] <Dasnipa`> onboard sound hogs like 25% of the cpu when in use
[07:01] <Dasnipa`> thats why soundcards are so handy
[07:01] <jorik> well, i think /dev/dsp is one of them ... i was wondering if there were other
[07:02] <jorik> (looking to make a script that uses lsof to kill everything thats stopping ET from getting access to the sound device)
[07:02] <_intel> Dasnipa`: why do Mfgs fource usss to buy Mobos wiht sound embeded?
[07:02] <Dasnipa`> nearly every mobo has onboard nowadays
[07:03] <trappist> jorik: that's not what you want to do.  it's the job of arts to do software mixing so multiple apps can use sound at once.
[07:03] <trappist> I always buy creative cards, which do hardware mixing, so I never have this problem and i don't use arts.
[07:03] <jorik> trappist, yeah i know ... aight so how do i get ET to use arts? (artsdsp gives me cracklin sound)
[07:04] <jorik> hmmm perhaps i should buy one too ... the sound problems in linux are starting to p*** me off
[07:04] <_intel> soundblaster has provenit's self over the last 10 years
[07:05] <trappist> other cards do hardware mixing and are probably very well supported, but creative has my confidence
[07:15] <_JakubS> jorik: no one of my numerous attempts to make et use arts, alsa dmix, whatever succeeded
[07:16] <_JakubS> and mv /usr/bin/artsd /usr/bin/artsd.bak ; ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/artsd solved all my arts-related problems :-)
[07:18] <Tm_T> _JakubS: hm?
[07:18] <Tm_T> sounds fun
[07:18] <_JakubS> short answer: artsd is evil and deserves to be shot
[07:19] <Tm_T> _JakubS: yeah, I never found any way to get alsa sounds to ET, so oss :(
[07:19] <_JakubS> i think aoss et.x86 worked ... just not very well
[07:34] <pulsar84> Hey guys.
[07:35] <pulsar84> My KDE menu's acting weird. :( Newly installed programs don't show up, modification in the menu editor aren't saved sometimes and stuff like that... Any ideas?
[07:37] <Obst> Hi
[07:38] <mth`MAW> Hi folks
[08:03] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[08:03] <Riddell> pradeepto: always around for you baby
[08:04] <pradeepto> Riddell: is there any test cases or a template thingie that I can use
[08:05] <pradeepto> Riddell: to test a kubuntu build :)
[08:05] <simian__> does anybody else get the erge to change distros regularly?
[08:06] <pradeepto> Riddell: did that make sense to you?
[08:07] <simian__> kubuntu is by far my faverate distro but every now and then get the urge to try... i dunno, suse or something even though i know that i wont like it as much as kubuntu
[08:07] <Riddell> pradeepto: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentKubuntu  but it's out of date
[08:07] <pradeepto> Riddell: thanks
[08:08] <Riddell> pradeepto: would be cool if you could make Kubuntu versions of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Long and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short
[08:09] <pradeepto> Riddell: I got myself a 256 K connection (with night download free :) ), so pretty much I can download an iso in 6 hrs or so
[08:09] <pradeepto> I am right now downloading daffer flight 5.
[08:10] <pradeepto> Do you want me to test with that? I would have loved to do with daily builds but I dont have the h/w resources to do so.
[08:12] <bengoa> Hi... I'm having problem to get my pcmcia wifi card to work on ubuntu. Can someone help?
[08:12] <ziza> daffer? Ubuntu Duffy Duck? :)
[08:13] <echt> dapper has lots of upgrades
[08:13] <pradeepto> *dapper
[08:13] <pradeepto> :P
[08:14] <ziza> :D
[08:15] <ziza> in KDE 3.5.2 the task icons are now stacked up vertically if space allows
[08:15] <ziza> but unfortunately it clips away a little from the kopete icon :(
[08:15] <pradeepto> Riddell: didnot quite get what you meant by "would be cool if you could make Kubuntu versions of of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Long and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short"
[08:16] <ziza> i only have Klipper and Kopete there...
[08:16] <Riddell> pradeepto: those pages are for ubuntu, it would be good if we had pages with much the same stuff but specific to kubuntu on them
[08:17] <pradeepto> hmmm
[08:17] <pradeepto> Riddell: is it oke if I work with dapper flight 5.
[08:19] <Riddell> pradeepto: sure
[08:19] <pradeepto> thanks
[08:20] <mark---> I use KDE Kontact and contacts have suddently disappeared. I've checked /.kde/share/apps/kabc$
[08:20] <mark--->  and there are lots of files there so I don't think they have been vaporized. Any clues how to uncorrupt?
[08:29] <JakubS> dapper has really ancient iproute2 version :-(
[08:31] <JakubS> 2 years old i think
[08:32] <villiers> Hi all
[08:34] <villiers> Hi
[08:34] <villiers> Do you speak french ?
[08:34] <villiers> Hi
[08:34] <klugez> !fr
[08:34] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:37] <Google_Firefox> instruction Google Adsense-->  http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm                 Download Firefox -->  http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm
[08:42] <pradeepto> Riddell: Dude, I have some question regarding l10n stuff.
[08:42] <Riddell> pradeepto: hmm?
[08:42] <pradeepto> Simple one , dont worry :P
[08:43] <pradeepto> Riddell: so how do you include or decide to include a particular language? say Hindi for the next Kubuntu version
[08:43] <Riddell> pradeepto: I just follow ubuntu
[08:44] <Riddell> pradeepto: who make the decisions based on number of speakers and number of free software users
[08:45] <Riddell> hello _echt
[08:45] <pradeepto> Riddell: but it is not necessary that for a particular language l10n of KDE  == l10n of GNOME
[08:45] <jjesse> bkjones: are you still interested in the flight6 wiki page work?
[08:46] <Riddell> pradeepto: yes, I should take that into account really
[08:46] <pradeepto> Riddell: unfortunately Indic l10n of  GNOME > Indic l10n of KDE
[08:47] <pradeepto> Riddell: in most cases if not all.
[08:52] <mrproper> ho do I set up a VPN?
[08:53] <bkjones> jjesse: yes
[08:54] <bkjones> but first - anyone know why I can't find any g++ package for dapper at *all*?
[08:54] <crimsun> because you don't have main enabled.
[08:54] <bkjones> m. That would be odd
[08:54] <crimsun> build-essential pulls in g++-4.0
[08:54] <jjesse> bkjones: mgalvin has started working on dapperflight6 so we need to get kubuntu dapperflight6 done as well
[08:55] <bkjones> jjesse: well, that's fine -- if you have something to point me to as a reference to work from I should be able to get going on it pretty quickly this week.
[08:55] <bkjones> where am I pulling kubuntu-specific notes from?
[08:58] <qualus> heya
[09:00] <qualus> i have a question conserning Ubuntu to Kubuntu installing, i was wondering will the transformation affect the links made to the desktop, ie the mount point i made for my windows server, or will i have to make that again ?
[09:00] <qualus> currently installing Kubuntu
[09:00] <Kyral> Damnit my desktop crashed
[09:01] <trappist> qualus: I think gnome and kde both use the same ~/Desktop directory but kde (at least) doesn't put files there for mount points - you configure kde to display them or not
[09:02] <qualus> ah.. wicked ^
[09:02] <qualus> ^^ *
[09:03] <qualus> heh.. pretty new to Ubuntu, used linux somewhat before, tho.. so expect noob-questions a-plenty :p
[09:03] <qualus> heh, thanks btw
[09:04] <qualus> gotta admit, tho, just switched a few weeks ago to ubuntu completely...
[09:04] <qualus> absolutely love it :)
[09:07] <qualus> right, so the installer just finished, returned to the console. do i just reboot normally ?
[09:09] <uglew> IN BREEZY, is it UNadviceable that i upgrade from kde 3.5.0 to kde 3.5.2?
[09:11] <uglew> hello? me alone here?
[09:13] <klugez> uglew: i didn't even know it's possible
[09:13] <klugez> i thought 3.5.2 packages were only provided for dapper
[09:14] <qualus> hey again, so now when i booted, it reloaded Gnome, instead of KDE.. what do i do ?
[09:14] <uglew> klugez: "An update to the popular KDE desktop, version 3.5.2, is now available for Kubuntu (Breezy Badger and Dapper Drake) (...)" -- taken from DistroWatch.
[09:15] <uglew> klugez: notice the "breezy badger" part
[09:15] <osh_> uglew: 3.5.2?
[09:15] <uglew> osh_: why, you don't believe me?
[09:15] <uglew> :)
[09:16] <_echt> i'll install 3.5.2
[09:16] <osh_> uglew: I'm running 3.5.1 and thought I was up to date. Is there really a .2 version?
[09:16] <klugez> uglew: thanks for correcting me
[09:16] <klugez> osh_: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.2.php
[09:16] <uglew> also, a yesterday osnews title: "The KDE team has announced the release of KDE 3.5.2"
[09:17] <uglew> so it seems kubuntu is VERY up-to-date.
[09:17] <klugez> it was released yesterday
[09:17] <osh_> klugez: gosh darnit. time to update. ;-)
[09:17] <klugez> actually the packages for dapper were available _before_ official kde release
[09:17] <uglew> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[09:17] <uglew> add this to your sources.list
[09:19] <osh_> nothing really revolutionary in there, but that's to be expected from a bugfix-release I suppose...
[09:21] <pradeepto> Riddell: jeez I didnot get to beta test 3.5.2 :(
[09:21] <qualus> soo.. how can i switch to the KDE view ? as in get rid of gnome ?
[09:22] <pradeepto> qualus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <qualus> did that, rebooted, and it reloaded GNOME
[09:22] <uglew> qualus: and apt-get uninstall gnome
[09:22] <uglew> qualus: or something like that
[09:23] <qualus> ah ! ok, i'll give it a shot
[09:23] <qualus> cheers
[09:23] <uglew> qualus: i mean, you may want to uninstall something essential for gnome
[09:23] <qualus> k
[09:24] <pradeepto> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:24] <pradeepto> qualus: ^^^^
[09:24] <qualus> ahh, cheers
[09:24] <uglew> pradeepto: i am afraid that does nothing
[09:25] <uglew> pradeepto, qualus: i am afraid that does nothing
[09:25] <uglew> pradeepto, qualus: that is not a package
[09:25] <qualus> it started to remove GDM
[09:25] <uglew> pradeepto, qualus: that is a metapackage
[09:25] <pradeepto> ubuntu-desktop must be a meta-pkg or something
[09:25] <qualus> ah, i see.. it removed the package
[09:26] <InGpAo> Hi folks
[09:26] <qualus> so i should go through synaptic to get it removed ?
[09:26] <uglew> pradeepto: yes, and metapackages help bring the whole collection.. but doesn't help in also removing the whole collection.
[09:26] <InGpAo> I've got a question for kind people...
[09:26] <moret> Today I have updated my Kubuntu and apt-get installed kde-i18n-ca 3.5.2 !!!! 3.5.2???
[09:26] <uglew> pradeepto: when you install something, it will also install all deps; but if you uninstall it, it won't uninstall deps.
[09:26] <pradeepto> uglew: then how do we remove packages in such cases.
[09:27] <InGpAo> Has Dapper5 default XGL??
[09:27] <qualus> so, i marked GDM for complete removal in Synaptic. will the universe explode now ?
[09:27] <OdyX> InGpAo: NO
[09:27] <uglew> pradeepto: well, there are some other methods for full removal of unneeded packages
[09:27] <InGpAo> uhm...and the very next stable version?
[09:27] <pradeepto> uglew: like
[09:28] <klugez> InGpAo: very probably not
[09:28] <OdyX> InGpAo: at best, it will be easy to install
[09:28] <InGpAo> but if I install Dapper5 (I'm a suse-user) how can I get XGL?
[09:28] <Kyral> whoops
[09:28] <uglew> pradeepto: i don't remember. there is an app which does just this: shows which packages are not dependencies of any other package (and can therefore be safely uninstalled)
[09:28] <Kyral> used /server instead of /connect
[09:29] <OdyX> InGpAo: but very probably not standard (as you need material acceleration, which is not standard)
[09:29] <Kyral> !xgl
[09:29] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:29] <qualus> right.. reboot now, aye ?
[09:29] <InGpAo> I've read that it need 3D accerellation
[09:29] <uglew> pradeepto: in the rpm world i think these packages are called "leaves"
[09:29] <qualus> ..i'll take that as a yes
[09:29] <InGpAo> and that fglxr doesn't work well with my ATI R280
[09:29] <uglew> pradeepto: i forgot their name here. i am new to apt-get
[09:29] <qualus> *crosses fingers*
[09:30] <InGpAo> so OdyX you say that in Kubuntu XGL will be emulated?!?!
[09:30] <uglew> pradeepto: anyway, that's why i didn't choose to recommend "sudo apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop" to qualus.
[09:30] <pradeepto> uglew: I understand.
[09:30] <OdyX> InGpAo: not at all...
[09:31] <InGpAo> so..
[09:31] <pradeepto> uglew: and thanks for the information dude
[09:31] <uglew> pradeepto: you're most certainly welcome :)
[09:31] <OdyX> InGpAo: I'm just saying as not everybody has a XGL-compatible graphic card...
[09:31] <OdyX> InGpAo: it will not by By Default
[09:31] <InGpAo> uhm...(soory but I'm italian...my english is very bad..)
[09:32] <OdyX> InGpAo: I'm Swiss...
[09:32] <Obst> make[1] : *** [arch/i386/kernel/emu.o]  Fehler 1
[09:32] <Obst> make: *** [arch/i386/kernel]  Fehler 2
[09:32] <Obst> by kernel make
[09:32] <Obst> what can i do?
[09:32] <OdyX> InGpAo: just understand that it CANNOT be by default..
[09:32] <InGpAo> we're neighbours
[09:32] <uglew> InGpAo: why should you blame italian for your poor english? italian is a beautiful language.
[09:33] <InGpAo> uglew I'm in an internetional channel...should I speak italian here?
[09:33] <uglew> InGpAo: you're right: you cannot
[09:33] <InGpAo> ahuhuahua
[09:34] <InGpAo> then...
[09:34] <uglew> InGpAo: then just don't blame italian :)
[09:34] <InGpAo> Has someone got XGL??
[09:34] <InGpAo> I don't blame!!!I love it!
[09:34] <uglew> InGpAo: did you try kororaa first?
[09:34] <uglew> InGpAo: everybody loves italian!
[09:35] <uglew> InGpAo: italian is a musical language
[09:35] <InGpAo> kororaa live or kororaa install?
[09:35] <InGpAo> sono d'accordo
[09:35] <uglew> InGpAo: any
[09:35] <InGpAo> (I'm agree)
[09:35] <uglew> InGpAo: latest
[09:35] <InGpAo> then.-..kororaa live doesn't start on my PC
[09:35] <InGpAo> maybe for my ATI
[09:36] <uglew> InGpAo: i know what "[io]  sono d'accordo" means and its translation is "i agree", not "i'm agree".
[09:36] <InGpAo> it's Radeon 9250 (R280)
[09:36] <InGpAo> uglew....ahuauau...you're right!!! ;)
[09:36] <uglew> InGpAo: oh, i see. too bad that kororaa doesn't work.
[09:36] <InGpAo> uhm!!!
[09:37] <InGpAo> I tryed it on a ATI GTO of a friend...it's great!!!!
[09:38] <uglew> InGpAo: i am glad you like it
[09:38] <InGpAo> I 've also tried RR64 XGL...and XGL didn't started
[09:38] <uglew> InGpAo: .. and this is just the beginning
[09:38] <InGpAo> it started X instead
[09:38] <qualus> hmm.. didn't seem to work.. still loads Gnome O_o
[09:39] <klugez> qualus: in login screen, choose sessions -> kde
[09:39] <InGpAo> but...XGL it's only on ubuntu-dapper5??
[09:39] <qualus> right
[09:39] <InGpAo> (very bad english...)
[09:40] <InGpAo> is XGL only on ubuntu-dapper5?
[09:40] <uglew> InGpAo: it should be on flight4, too
[09:40] <uglew> InGpAo: if you actually mean "is it available in breezy", then the answer is "no".
[09:41] <InGpAo> I mean: if I download Flight5 now...will I have XGL on KDE?
[09:41] <klugez> it requires some (a lot) setting up
[09:41] <uglew> InGpAo: not by default
[09:41] <uglew> InGpAo: you have to read a howto
[09:41] <klugez> can't be the default, since few graphic cards support it
[09:41] <InGpAo> shall have to install some packs??
[09:42] <klugez> !xgl
[09:42] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:42] <uglew> InGpAo: that too
[09:42] <klugez> InGpAo: see those links for what'd you have to do
[09:42] <qualus> heh, right, it worked ^^
[09:42] <qualus> so can i now remove all of the Gnome installed packages ?
[09:43] <GNU_Style> do I have to upgrade to KDE 3.5 then to 3.5.1? im on kubuntu 5.10
[09:43] <uglew> qualus: whith this method you don't even need to uninstall anything gnome
[09:43] <InGpAo> ok
[09:43] <uglew> qualus: (in order to start kde)
[09:43] <klugez> if you also want to use the kde login screen, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and choose kdm
[09:43] <trappist> GNU_Style: might as well go to 3.5.2 now
[09:43] <uglew> GNU_Style: no
[09:43] <trappist> GNU_Style: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[09:44] <uglew> add this: "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:44] <qualus> right.. so i can just use either one of them as i please ?
[09:45] <klugez> qualus: yes
[09:45] <uglew> GNU_Style: -- if you use breezy; otherwise replace "breezy" with "dapper"
[09:45] <GNU_Style> thanks
[09:45] <GNU_Style> I have had problems with dapper
[09:45] <InGpAo> but..when the next stable kubuntu will be downloadable??
[09:45] <klugez> InGpAo: release date is June 1st
[09:45] <GNU_Style> its dapepr
[09:46] <InGpAo> 1st june!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:46] <InGpAo> azz..
[09:46] <GNU_Style> my NIC is has problems with dapper, just uninstalled it a few hours ago
[09:46] <InGpAo> should I install dapper??
[09:47] <qualus> hmm.. what other packages should i get ?
[09:47] <qualus> anything you lot recommend ?
[09:48] <jjesse> InGpAo: i'm using dapper and it works fine
[09:48] <InGpAo> uhm..
[09:48] <OdyX> InGpAo: Dapper is TEST version...
[09:49] <OdyX> so don't complain about missing feature, bugs...
[09:49] <InGpAo> I know that it's beta..
[09:49] <sredna> .. and apart from the fact that I can't seem to get sound in kaffeine playing mpgs, it appears to work very nice for me ;)
[09:49] <OdyX> InGpAo: OK
[09:53] <qualus> changin clients brb
[09:53] <InGpAo> OdyX some adverts about flight5?
[09:53] <OdyX> InGpAo: mine works just fine...
[09:54] <_tibs01> erm
[09:54] <_tibs01> someone help me
[09:54] <OdyX> reporting bugs continuously...
[09:54] <InGpAo> but you're a guru or what?
[09:54] <_tibs01> i have busted all the tastbar icons
[09:54] <_tibs01> how do i restore it back to kde defult
[09:54] <OdyX> InGpAo: no... user helping with TEST version... :D
[09:54] <InGpAo> I'm just more than a newbie...
[09:54] <OdyX> OK
[09:54] <_tibs01> ?
[09:54] <_tibs01> help
[09:54] <OdyX> InGpAo: so YOU are a guru ? XD
[09:54] <pradeepto> Riddell: poke poke
[09:55] <_tibs01> OI
[09:55] <Riddell> pradeepto: yo
[09:55] <_tibs01> someone help me :D
[09:55] <pradeepto> Riddell: unfortunately Indic l10n of  GNOME > Indic l10n of KDE
[09:55] <captainbraille> How do I find out if I have a graphics card and driver that supports direct rendering through OpenGL?
[09:55] <_tibs01> how do i put the task bar back to detuflt
[09:55] <InGpAo> oh yes...I suggeted Torwalds about his project some years ago..
[09:55] <_tibs01> defefault
[09:55] <InGpAo> *suggested..
[09:55] <pradeepto> Riddell: repeating myself but I want to get this thing out of my mind or somehting
[09:56] <InGpAo> captainbraille sudo fglxr_greas
[09:56] <Riddell> pradeepto: so I shouldn't include them on the kubuntu CD yet?
[09:56] <InGpAo> *fglxr_gears
[09:56] <trappist> fglrx_gears
[09:56] <pradeepto> Riddell: no you should, please please do
[09:56] <OdyX> Riddell & pradeepto : speaking about what ?
[09:57] <pradeepto> OdyX: Indic l10n stuff
[09:57] <InGpAo> another question...
[09:57] <OdyX> and after humanization ?
[09:57] <InGpAo> i've AM64
[09:57] <InGpAo> AMD64
[09:57] <Snake__> Has anyone gotten (k)ubuntu to run on a compaw presario 2100?
[09:57] <InGpAo> should i have to install 64bit version??
[09:57] <pradeepto> Riddell: I want to know when do will you *last* check out the l10n stuff from kde svn?
[09:58] <InGpAo> Is there any problems with 64bit applications like in windowsXP64??
[09:58] <Riddell> pradeepto: I uploaded l10n packages from kde 3.5.2 today into dapper
[09:58] <mrproper> speaking about dapper, will it have better VIA unichrome support?
[09:58] <InGpAo> some people say that debian is not ready with 64bit
[09:58] <captainbraille> InGpAo, trappist: I'm getting "command not found"
[09:59] <InGpAo> uhm...
[09:59] <pradeepto> Riddell: you mean all l10n packages.
[09:59] <InGpAo> google -> fglxr_gears
[09:59] <Riddell> pradeepto: yes
[10:00] <InGpAo> try fglrx_gears
[10:00] <qual> the desktop seems to be working nicely now ^^
[10:00] <trappist> captainbraille: glxinfo | grep rendering
[10:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: my point is there are people who are still working on them. So will you upload newer packages built (again) from the kde svn.
[10:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: Before the final realease is done that is.
[10:01] <captainbraille> trappist: thanks, it comes up as No. How can I fix that?
[10:01] <pradeepto> Riddell: or I can tell them a dead line if you want, say the same date as flight 6 if there is one that is.
[10:01] <InGpAo> captainbraille have you got ATI drivers?
[10:01] <trappist> captainbraille: put fglrx in the driver section of your xorg.conf (if you've installed the fglrx drivers, of course)
[10:02] <captainbraille> I don't think I have either, where can I find those? Do I need both?
[10:02] <tibs01> so#
[10:02] <tibs01> someone help me
[10:02] <tibs01> how do i put my task bar back to normal
[10:02] <OdyX> InGpAo: Just wanted to apologize taking you as newbie... Was not my intention. Very sorry
[10:03] <tibs01> huh
[10:03] <Snake__> tibs01: what do you mean back to normal
[10:03] <InGpAo> OdyX what are you saying?
[10:03] <captainbraille> InGpAo, trappist: I don't think I have either, where can I find those? Do I need both?
[10:04] <InGpAo> uhm...where are oy from captainbraille?
[10:04] <tibs01> erm
[10:04] <trappist> captainbraille: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:04] <InGpAo> *you
[10:04] <tibs01> well the task bar has gone all over the place its at the bottom of the page
[10:04] <InGpAo> you should go on your national forum
[10:04] <tibs01> but all the icons gone funny on it
[10:04] <ravioli> hi, i have trouble with the audio system
[10:04] <tibs01> i want it back to kde default
[10:04] <InGpAo> there are a lot of inforamtion about ATI & Nvidia drivers
[10:04] <ravioli> one user has audio, another does not
[10:05] <captainbraille> InGpAo: california usa
[10:05] <frank23> is anyone using kde 3.5.2 on breezy? any problems with it?
[10:05] <Snake__> tibs01: give me a moment, let me try to remeber how without messing up your whole system :)
[10:05] <tibs01> ok m8
[10:05] <robotgeek> frank23: it's pretty nice
[10:05] <frank23> robotgeek: are there any improvements?
[10:06] <pradeepto> ahh  robotgeek  there you are bro
[10:06] <InGpAo> if you are californian you've got a lot of forum about ATI drivers and Xorg.conf to read!
[10:06] <tibs01> hmmmmmmm0r
[10:06] <robotgeek> frank23: to be honest, i think they fixed bugs. i am not sure what changes they made.
[10:06] <tibs01> snake :P
[10:07] <tibs01> u figured it out yet
[10:07] <Snake__> tibs01: I got it
[10:07] <tibs01> go for it
[10:07] <Snake__> tibs01: give me a moment to get the exact file name
[10:07] <tibs01> 0_o
[10:07] <pradeepto> robotgeek: frank23 the dot says part of the story
[10:07] <captainbraille> InGpAo: Lol, thanks, where can I find the forums?
[10:07] <frank23> robotgeek: ok. its better to fix bugs than introduce them!
[10:08] <Snake__> tibs01: type in a terminal "rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc"
[10:08] <Snake__> tibs01: then restart X (Alt+ctrl+del)
[10:08] <InGpAo> azz...captainbraille...just search on google about fglrx
[10:09] <Snake__> tibs01: then come back and tell me how it works out
[10:09] <captainbraille> InGpAo: thanks for the help
[10:09] <tibs01> mmmmmmm
[10:10] <tibs01> whats the run command for konsole
[10:10] <Snake__> tibs01: konsole :)
[10:10] <captainbraille> trappist: how do I add fglrx to xorg.conf
[10:11] <me2win> !bluetooth
[10:11] <ubotu> it has been said that bluetooth is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSetup and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothRemote
[10:11] <tibs01> rebooting
[10:11] <Snake__> tibs01: why reboot?
[10:11] <Snake__> Just restart X with the directions I gave you
[10:11] <tibs01> ok
[10:11] <heinkel_111> brb
[10:12] <me2win> !motorola
[10:12] <ubotu> me2win: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:14] <noteventime> !xorg
[10:14] <ubotu> hmm... xorg is To reconfigure your X server, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal, or check here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto or here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[10:15] <noteventime> !m
[10:15] <ubotu> noteventime: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:15] <noteventime> !me
[10:15] <ubotu> noteventime: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:15] <noteventime> !you
[10:15] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[10:17] <Snake__> tibs01: howed that work out
[10:18] <Riddell> pradeepto: hi
[10:18] <pradeepto> Riddell: hi again :)
[10:18] <Riddell> pradeepto: you can either make me a tar a week or two before release
[10:18] <pradeepto> Riddell: you want me to do that.
[10:18] <Riddell> pradeepto: or you can talk to jordi or carlos about doing funky rosetta imports from KDE SVN, but I don't think they can do that yet
[10:19] <tibs01> ok
[10:19] <me2win> !phone
[10:19] <ubotu> me2win: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:19] <me2win> !cell
[10:19] <ubotu> me2win: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:19] <tibs01> the icons are back
[10:19] <me2win> !mobile
[10:19] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[10:19] <tibs01> bu they aint in the right place
[10:19] <tibs01> how do i put them in the right place
[10:19] <Riddell> me2win: ?
[10:19] <Snake__> tibs01: what do you mean
[10:19] <tibs01> well there all the right hand side
[10:19] <pradeepto> Riddell: I think I will tar them myself or something
[10:19] <tibs01> not the menu on the left hand side nthe short cuts on the right hand side
[10:19] <Snake__> tibs01: they system tray?
[10:19] <Riddell> pradeepto: yeah, make a 3.5.2.1 release
[10:19] <Snake__> the**
[10:19] <tibs01> some system trey
[10:20] <pradeepto> Riddell: Do I include all the indic l10n stuff
[10:20] <tibs01> no menus on the left hand side
[10:20] <Snake__> tibs01: what you see there is the kubuntu default
[10:20] <nimzo> How can I find out if my ldconfig can find libjawt.so?
[10:20] <tibs01> menu on the left hand side
[10:20] <tibs01> system trey on the right hand side
[10:20] <Snake__> Ya
[10:20] <Riddell> pradeepto: yes, make several if you want
[10:20] <tibs01> that aint wot i got
[10:20] <pradeepto> Riddell: I dont think I quite understood that version thingy.
[10:20] <tibs01> i got menu n system trey on right hand side
[10:20] <Snake__> tibs01: then just drag the menu over the left..
[10:20] <tibs01> tried
[10:20] <tibs01> dont work
[10:20] <Riddell> pradeepto: current version is 3.5.2, next version from KDE will be 3.5.3, so if you make a release between KDE versions call it 3.5.2.1
[10:21] <Snake__> tibs01: what KDE version?
[10:21] <tibs01> new one
[10:21] <pradeepto> hmmm
[10:21] <tristanmike> dapper ?
[10:21] <tibs01> most recent version
[10:21] <Snake__> tibs01: 3.5.2?
[10:21] <tibs01> how do i find out what version
[10:21] <Snake__> tibs01: click on help, the "About KDE"
[10:21] <pradeepto> Riddell: I just check out and make a tar ball out of it right? Or you are asking me to make a debian package or something?
[10:22] <pradeepto> Riddell: if you are please dont, I am not very comfortable doing that yet :)
[10:22] <Snake__> tibs01: in a program such as konq
[10:22] <pradeepto> Riddell: learning that though.
[10:22] <Snake__> tibs01: or konversation (im not sure what IRC client your using)(
[10:24] <tibs01> thats what im using
[10:24] <Snake__> Okay, click help and then click about kde...give me the numbers it says for "Release 3.X.X"
[10:24] <tibs01> 3.5.1
[10:24] <tibs01> im using
[10:24] <Snake__> Are your panels locked?
[10:24] <tibs01> is that most recentl ?
[10:25] <tibs01> my desktop is locked
[10:25] <tibs01> thats it
[10:25] <Snake__> tibs01: why wont the menu move? (I assume the K Menu right?) Whats it do?
[10:25] <tibs01> my panels aint locked now
[10:25] <Riddell> pradeepto: just a tar file, following the same pattern as the ones at ftp.kde.org
[10:26] <Snake__> Okay, then that K Menu button should go where ever you want it to, just drag the bar to the left of it
[10:27] <pradeepto> Riddell: okes thanks man. You really have been helpful. Now just ping me when its about week or 2 left for release.
[10:30] <InGpAo> is 64bit well supported??
[10:30] <tsdgeos> works here
[10:30] <buz> id say if you havent got a good reason to go 64bit dont
[10:31] <buz> it works
[10:31] <buz> but its more pain than needed
[10:31] <OdyX> but flash
[10:31] <OdyX> but 3D...
[10:31] <tsdgeos> 3d works
[10:31] <tsdgeos> flash is evil
[10:31] <tsdgeos> that's here ofcourse
[10:31] <tsdgeos> YMMV
[10:31] <Riddell> pradeepto: sure
[10:31] <buz> flash is evil
[10:31] <buz> still cant really go without it
[10:32] <InGpAo> tehn...have i to install 64bit version or 32?
[10:32] <buz> for example, youtube without flash is quite useless
[10:32] <OdyX> InGpAo: i'd say 64... but with care.
[10:32] <InGpAo> i know that there are problems with mozilla and with some drivers...
[10:33] <InGpAo> but there are some benefits using 64bit?
[10:33] <buz> if you need more than 4gb ram sure
[10:33] <InGpAo> no...1Gb is enough for me
[10:33] <JohnFlux> I have 64bit and only thing I miss is mplayer codecs
[10:33] <JohnFlux> the win32 ones
[10:33] <JohnFlux> ( i think i can get round with some 32 bit environment or something - seemed complicated)
[10:34] <buz> yeah one reason why i use 32bit
[10:34] <InGpAo> win32codecs don't work?!??!
[10:34] <buz> not without lots of work no
[10:34] <InGpAo> azz....i have to DL the 32bit!!
[10:34] <InGpAo> 32bit->no trouble!
[10:34] <buz> exactly
[10:35] <InGpAo> porca miseria!
[10:36] <buz> what is it with amarok devs
[10:36] <buz> why cant 1.4 convert 1.3 libraries
[10:37] <buz> ah well
[10:37] <buz> at least 1.4 beta is goood
[10:39] <buz> anyone know anything about kde 3.5.2 for dapper?
[10:39] <OdyX> buz: I'm under it
[10:39] <me2win> what about it
[10:39] <OdyX> bugged but working
[10:39] <buz> where to get it?
[10:42] <OdyX> buz: you're on Dapper?
[10:42] <OdyX> buz: => kubuntu.org
[10:43] <me2win> its in the repos...
[10:43] <me2win> just dist upgrade
[10:50] <buz> mhh
[10:50] <buz> what repos
[10:50] <buz> ch.archive doesnt have it
[10:50] <NaosZ> ello all :) can anyone help me to understand what "alien" is/does?
[10:51] <spiritz> alien convert RPM package to deb package
[10:51] <buz> well lets check archive
[10:51] <spiritz> RPM packages are the one that come from redhat/mandriva etc
[10:51] <tristanmike> but you don't really want to use it unless it's a last resort
[10:51] <NaosZ> cheers spiritz
[10:52] <NaosZ> well thing is its kinda my first and last resort lol, trying to get a Z600 printer to install
[10:52] <tristanmike> NaosZ: look for a deb, if you can't find a deb, you should really consider building from source, and if none of those are options, and all you got is an rpm, take caution in installing
[10:53] <spiritz> NaosZ:btw you should what the  "whatis" command, pretty useful :)
[10:53] <NaosZ> cool cheers, yup Im a noob soz :p
[10:54] <buz> a
[10:54] <tristanmike> everyone is at one point or another :)
[10:57] <NaosZ> heh, Im having fun learning about it all :D
[11:07] <frando> where can I set my charset in which my messages are sent within Konversation? Im asking here as i don't see any option in konversation itself, so it might use the central charset... [i'm using breezy, all packages updated, on i386] 
[11:07] <frando> cause someone reportet to me that my "umlauts" were received broken.
[11:08] <frando> ,  and 
[11:08] <_mindspin> looks fine here
[11:09] <_mindspin> 
[11:10] <frando> hmm ok...
[11:11] <frando> so which is the default charset my messages are sent in? UTF8? ISO-8859-x?
[11:14] <rmenor> hola
[11:14] <rmenor> algn espaol
[11:14] <tsdgeos> rmenor: #kubuntu-es
[11:15] <rmenor> gracias
[11:16] <Frank_386> hey folks, anyone know about establishing a URL handler?
[11:18] <_mindspin> frando I guess its UTF8
[11:20] <nico8481> re
[11:27] <_harm>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:27] <_harm> /dev/hdb1               1        9964    80035798+  42  SFS
[11:27] <_harm> how would i mount thath?
[11:50] <Russel> hiho
[11:51] <Russel> will be t?kde 3.5.2 in dapper or in kubuntu dapper repo?
[11:51] <seth> they're trying to push it through UVF
[11:51] <Russel> uvf?
[11:51] <seth> if it is tested by enough people, it will probably make it to Dapper
[11:51] <seth> if not enough testing is done, it will be an external repository
[11:51] <seth> Upstream Version Freeze
[11:52] <Russel> when will the descision be?
[11:53] <Russel> don't need the exact date, rather like in 2 weeks, 3 months or 2 hours :)
[11:55] <pulsar84> Hi.
[11:56] <seth> i would guess maybe 4-5 weeks
[11:56] <Russel> k thx
[11:56] <seth> so get testing :P
[11:57] <Russel> lol... dapper is enough for me :)
[11:58] <ninniuzITA> hi I just intalled kde 3.5.2 in my kubuntu breezy but I cant find the display config anymore...any clue?
[11:59] <frank23> hmmm that's a nice little kde 3.5.2 change: my task bar is "dual stacked" two rows of apps and now the "system tray" icons are also in 2 rows
[12:00] <SoBeIcedT> ive got a question, quite off topic, just looking for some direction as to where I should ask it, if you have any ideas let me know: does anyone know how to extract the MD5 password hash from a word file that is encrypted using the standard word 2000/97 password to open feature
[12:00] <frank23> ninniuzITA: I just installed it too and I can't find it either
[12:00] <ninniuzITA> damnit
[12:01] <ninniuzITA> can you figure out a way to resize ur screen resolution
[12:01] <pulsar84> Anyone here with decent knowledge about the K menu and why it's broken here? Apps aren't added/removed automatically anymore.
[12:02] <SoBeIcedT> i use the menu updating tool, and it updates automatically after i run it
[12:02] <frank23> ninniuzITA: ctrl-alt-+ or - changes the resolution
[12:02] <ninniuzITA> ty
[12:02] <ninniuzITA> that's what I needed :) but how come there is no config menu anymore?
[12:03] <ninniuzITA> is it broken any way?