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| unary | hi all | 06:44 |
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| hendry | Kamion: when do the dailys get built? | 07:26 |
| Kamion | hendry: which dailies? | 10:08 |
| hendry | kubuntu | 10:19 |
| hendry | the cdimage times are utc eh? | 10:19 |
| hendry | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 10:20 |
| hendry | I guess dapper-live-i386.OVERSIZED means that it won't burn? | 10:20 |
| hendry | Kamion: also | 10:23 |
| hendry | is kubuntu-meta generated by your cdimage scripts? | 10:23 |
| hendry | it would be nice to have a mailing list for derivatives | 10:23 |
| Kamion | 14 5 * * * for-project kubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live | 10:23 |
| Kamion | kubuntu-meta is a perfectly normal upload; cdimage doesn't attempt to upload packages | 10:24 |
| Kamion | .OVERSIZED means that it won't burn on 700MB media, yes | 10:24 |
| hendry | I was wondering how those changelogs were generated | 10:24 |
| hendry | also, how that update script supposed to work. I notice there isn't a build-dep on debootstrap | 10:25 |
| hendry | so I guess one isn't supposed to run it? | 10:25 |
| hendry | so I guess one isn't supposed to run debootstrap? | 10:25 |
| Kamion | the changelogs are generated by the update script | 10:25 |
| Kamion | the update script is not run when the package is being built on the autobuilders; it's run by hand | 10:25 |
| Kamion | so there's no need for a build-dep | 10:26 |
| hendry | alright | 10:26 |
| hendry | i've run the update script | 10:26 |
| hendry | and it didn't update the changelog ... ho humm | 10:26 |
| Kamion | presumably there was nothing to do | 10:27 |
| hendry | No changes found | 10:27 |
| hendry | ok | 10:27 |
| Kamion | you need to point it at your own seeds if you have seed changes | 10:27 |
| hendry | Yes, i need to make a seed for my derivative | 10:27 |
| hendry | i guess i'll work from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/ | 10:28 |
| Kamion | yes | 10:28 |
| hendry | how do you suggest I add my apt repo to the sources.list ? | 10:29 |
| Kamion | although branch from bzr instead | 10:29 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ | 10:29 |
| Kamion | hendry: you'll have to modify the apt-setup package | 10:29 |
| hendry | hmm, i thought so | 10:29 |
| hendry | the udeb thingie eg? | 10:29 |
| hendry | the udeb thingie eh? | 10:29 |
| Kamion | yes | 10:29 |
| hendry | it would be nice if the d-i hacked in support so I could add my repo line from the preseed | 10:30 |
| hendry | so I should work from bazaar sources, and co http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ | 10:31 |
| Kamion | preseed> there's an outstanding patch for that, I'll look at it before dapper | 10:31 |
| Kamion | bzr, not bazaar | 10:31 |
| hendry | ok, bzr | 10:31 |
| hendry | oh, so. what about a mailing list for derivs? | 10:31 |
| Kamion | yes, bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/, push somewhere | 10:31 |
| Kamion | happy for derivative stuff to be on ubuntu-devel@ for now | 10:32 |
| Kamion | once it gets too high-volume, it can be split out | 10:32 |
| hendry | perry$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ | 10:32 |
| hendry | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ | 10:32 |
| hendry | Kamion: ok. I am concerned how launchpad fits in | 10:32 |
| hendry | for bug reporting and things | 10:33 |
| hendry | because all our users will be speaking korean | 10:33 |
| hendry | and I needed to figure out to perhaps point them to support@hannux instead ubuntu-users | 10:33 |
| Kamion | sorry, gave you the wrong URL by mistake | 10:33 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/seeds/dapper/ | 10:33 |
| Kamion | talk to the launchpad folks about that | 10:34 |
| Kamion | launchpad-users@lists.ubuntu.com | 10:34 |
| Kamion | that sort of thing is what they want to solve, although they probably need more real-world use cases like yours to flesh it out properly | 10:34 |
| hendry | Origin: Ubuntu | 10:35 |
| hendry | Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com | 10:35 |
| hendry | Can mine read, Origin: Hannux ... ? | 10:35 |
| hendry | not sure how you did that | 10:35 |
| Kamion | that's all in override files in the archive | 10:36 |
| hendry | so you're using baz for cdimage and bzr for the seed management stuff. don't you get confused? ;) | 10:36 |
| Kamion | since you're running your own archive you can change it | 10:36 |
| hendry | those indices lists? | 10:36 |
| Kamion | yes | 10:36 |
| Kamion | override.dapper.extra.*, IIRC | 10:36 |
| hendry | ok | 10:36 |
| Kamion | baz/bzr> yes. I intend to change cdimage over, I just haven't had time. | 10:36 |
| hendry | though I want to use your archive and have my repo override yours if needs be | 10:37 |
| Kamion | if you want Origin: Hannux on every package, you'll need to regenerate the whole lot | 10:37 |
| hendry | so apt-ftparchive needs to manage 2 sets of overrides? is that possible I wonder? | 10:37 |
| hendry | Kamion: I only want to do it on my packages | 10:37 |
| Kamion | ok | 10:37 |
| Kamion | it doesn't need to manage two sets of overrides | 10:38 |
| hendry | I think it is dumb to rebrand Ubuntu stuff if I am not making changes | 10:38 |
| Kamion | you can just have different field values for different packages | 10:38 |
| Kamion | anyway, see the apt-ftparchive docs, they should get you started | 10:38 |
| hendry | not sure what you mean there | 10:38 |
| Kamion | the override does not say "apply Origin: Ubuntu to every package" | 10:38 |
| Kamion | it says "apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6, apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6-dev, ..." | 10:39 |
| Kamion | so if you want to add Origin: Hannux for some packages, that's trivial | 10:39 |
| hendry | oh so I maintain my own indices list, but then it might become out of sync with yours | 10:39 |
| Kamion | anyway, I should think that's the least of your problems for now | 10:39 |
| hendry | oh well, i'll figure it out | 10:39 |
| Kamion | you'd obviously have to generate it automatically from our indices | 10:39 |
| Kamion | or, not | 10:40 |
| Kamion | if you're pointing users at our archive for most packages, you don't need to copy the indices from our archive | 10:40 |
| Kamion | your archive would *only* need to have indices for Hannux-specific packages | 10:40 |
| hendry | Kamion: ah... good point | 10:41 |
| hendry | i was following the CDremasterhowto on the wiki | 10:41 |
| hendry | and it seemed to insist on those indices. | 10:41 |
| hendry | do you have the apt-setup patch about? I could apply it myself and test it. | 10:42 |
| Kamion | the CD remaster howto is designed for people who don't have their own archive | 10:42 |
| Kamion | you should probably mostly ignore it | 10:42 |
| Kamion | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348509 | 10:43 |
| hendry | bzr also takes forever to pull :) | 10:43 |
| hendry | Kamion: thank you | 10:44 |
| Kamion | it can take a while, yes ... | 10:44 |
| hendry | so you say I should branch the kubuntu seed. Do you think I need to branch the cdimage stuff too? | 10:45 |
| Kamion | quite possibly, yes | 10:45 |
| Kamion | you may be able to get away with different configuration and an extra cron script that's simple enough not to need revision control | 10:46 |
| hendry | should i perhaps switch baz over to bzr myself with cdimage (for sanity?) | 10:46 |
| Kamion | only if you enjoy pain | 10:47 |
| hendry | ok ok, :) | 10:47 |
| Kamion | and you'll have to keep applying the pain over and over in order to be able to pull changes from me (which is the whole point of branching, after all) | 10:47 |
| hendry | ok thanks again Kamion, without you I would be in pain | 10:49 |
| hendry | :) | 10:49 |
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