=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-boot === unary [n=unary@220-253-20-143.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-boot [06:44] hi all === unary [n=unary@220-253-20-143.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu-boot ["Leaving"] [07:26] Kamion: when do the dailys get built? [10:08] hendry: which dailies? [10:19] kubuntu [10:19] the cdimage times are utc eh? [10:20] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [10:20] I guess dapper-live-i386.OVERSIZED means that it won't burn? [10:23] Kamion: also [10:23] is kubuntu-meta generated by your cdimage scripts? [10:23] it would be nice to have a mailing list for derivatives [10:23] 14 5 * * * for-project kubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live [10:24] kubuntu-meta is a perfectly normal upload; cdimage doesn't attempt to upload packages [10:24] .OVERSIZED means that it won't burn on 700MB media, yes [10:24] I was wondering how those changelogs were generated [10:25] also, how that update script supposed to work. I notice there isn't a build-dep on debootstrap [10:25] so I guess one isn't supposed to run it? [10:25] so I guess one isn't supposed to run debootstrap? [10:25] the changelogs are generated by the update script [10:25] the update script is not run when the package is being built on the autobuilders; it's run by hand [10:26] so there's no need for a build-dep [10:26] alright [10:26] i've run the update script [10:26] and it didn't update the changelog ... ho humm [10:27] presumably there was nothing to do [10:27] No changes found [10:27] ok [10:27] you need to point it at your own seeds if you have seed changes [10:27] Yes, i need to make a seed for my derivative [10:28] i guess i'll work from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/ [10:28] yes [10:29] how do you suggest I add my apt repo to the sources.list ? [10:29] although branch from bzr instead [10:29] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ [10:29] hendry: you'll have to modify the apt-setup package [10:29] hmm, i thought so [10:29] the udeb thingie eg? [10:29] the udeb thingie eh? [10:29] yes [10:30] it would be nice if the d-i hacked in support so I could add my repo line from the preseed [10:31] so I should work from bazaar sources, and co http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ [10:31] preseed> there's an outstanding patch for that, I'll look at it before dapper [10:31] bzr, not bazaar [10:31] ok, bzr [10:31] oh, so. what about a mailing list for derivs? [10:31] yes, bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/, push somewhere [10:32] happy for derivative stuff to be on ubuntu-devel@ for now [10:32] once it gets too high-volume, it can be split out [10:32] perry$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ [10:32] bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/ [10:32] Kamion: ok. I am concerned how launchpad fits in [10:33] for bug reporting and things [10:33] because all our users will be speaking korean [10:33] and I needed to figure out to perhaps point them to support@hannux instead ubuntu-users [10:33] sorry, gave you the wrong URL by mistake [10:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/seeds/dapper/ [10:34] talk to the launchpad folks about that [10:34] launchpad-users@lists.ubuntu.com [10:34] that sort of thing is what they want to solve, although they probably need more real-world use cases like yours to flesh it out properly [10:35] Origin: Ubuntu [10:35] Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com [10:35] Can mine read, Origin: Hannux ... ? [10:35] not sure how you did that [10:36] that's all in override files in the archive [10:36] so you're using baz for cdimage and bzr for the seed management stuff. don't you get confused? ;) [10:36] since you're running your own archive you can change it [10:36] those indices lists? [10:36] yes [10:36] override.dapper.extra.*, IIRC [10:36] ok [10:36] baz/bzr> yes. I intend to change cdimage over, I just haven't had time. [10:37] though I want to use your archive and have my repo override yours if needs be [10:37] if you want Origin: Hannux on every package, you'll need to regenerate the whole lot [10:37] so apt-ftparchive needs to manage 2 sets of overrides? is that possible I wonder? [10:37] Kamion: I only want to do it on my packages [10:37] ok [10:38] it doesn't need to manage two sets of overrides [10:38] I think it is dumb to rebrand Ubuntu stuff if I am not making changes [10:38] you can just have different field values for different packages [10:38] anyway, see the apt-ftparchive docs, they should get you started [10:38] not sure what you mean there [10:38] the override does not say "apply Origin: Ubuntu to every package" [10:39] it says "apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6, apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6-dev, ..." [10:39] so if you want to add Origin: Hannux for some packages, that's trivial [10:39] oh so I maintain my own indices list, but then it might become out of sync with yours [10:39] anyway, I should think that's the least of your problems for now [10:39] oh well, i'll figure it out [10:39] you'd obviously have to generate it automatically from our indices [10:40] or, not [10:40] if you're pointing users at our archive for most packages, you don't need to copy the indices from our archive [10:40] your archive would *only* need to have indices for Hannux-specific packages [10:41] Kamion: ah... good point [10:41] i was following the CDremasterhowto on the wiki [10:41] and it seemed to insist on those indices. [10:42] do you have the apt-setup patch about? I could apply it myself and test it. [10:42] the CD remaster howto is designed for people who don't have their own archive [10:42] you should probably mostly ignore it [10:43] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348509 [10:43] bzr also takes forever to pull :) [10:44] Kamion: thank you [10:44] it can take a while, yes ... [10:45] so you say I should branch the kubuntu seed. Do you think I need to branch the cdimage stuff too? [10:45] quite possibly, yes [10:46] you may be able to get away with different configuration and an extra cron script that's simple enough not to need revision control [10:46] should i perhaps switch baz over to bzr myself with cdimage (for sanity?) [10:47] only if you enjoy pain [10:47] ok ok, :) [10:47] and you'll have to keep applying the pain over and over in order to be able to pull changes from me (which is the whole point of branching, after all) [10:49] ok thanks again Kamion, without you I would be in pain [10:49] :) === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-boot === Topic for #ubuntu-boot: known: interfaces not renamed (iftab/ifrename) === Topic (#ubuntu-boot): set by Keybuk at Fri Feb 3 09:23:56 2006 === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-boot === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-boot === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-boot