[06:44] <unary> hi all
[07:26] <hendry> Kamion: when do the dailys get built?
[10:08] <Kamion> hendry: which dailies?
[10:19] <hendry> kubuntu
[10:19] <hendry> the cdimage times are utc eh?
[10:20] <hendry> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:20] <hendry> I guess dapper-live-i386.OVERSIZED  means that it won't burn?
[10:23] <hendry> Kamion: also
[10:23] <hendry> is kubuntu-meta generated by your cdimage scripts?
[10:23] <hendry> it would be nice to have a mailing list for derivatives
[10:23] <Kamion> 14 5 * * *      for-project kubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live
[10:24] <Kamion> kubuntu-meta is a perfectly normal upload; cdimage doesn't attempt to upload packages
[10:24] <Kamion> .OVERSIZED means that it won't burn on 700MB media, yes
[10:24] <hendry> I was wondering how those changelogs were generated
[10:25] <hendry> also, how that update script supposed to work. I notice there isn't a build-dep on debootstrap
[10:25] <hendry> so I guess one isn't supposed to run it?
[10:25] <hendry> so I guess one isn't supposed to run debootstrap?
[10:25] <Kamion> the changelogs are generated by the update script
[10:25] <Kamion> the update script is not run when the package is being built on the autobuilders; it's run by hand
[10:26] <Kamion> so there's no need for a build-dep
[10:26] <hendry> alright
[10:26] <hendry> i've run the update script
[10:26] <hendry> and it didn't update the changelog ... ho humm
[10:27] <Kamion> presumably there was nothing to do
[10:27] <hendry> No changes found
[10:27] <hendry> ok
[10:27] <Kamion> you need to point it at your own seeds if you have seed changes
[10:27] <hendry> Yes, i need to make a seed for my derivative
[10:28] <hendry> i guess i'll work from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/
[10:28] <Kamion> yes
[10:29] <hendry> how do you suggest I add my apt repo to the sources.list ?
[10:29] <Kamion> although branch from bzr instead
[10:29] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/
[10:29] <Kamion> hendry: you'll have to modify the apt-setup package
[10:29] <hendry> hmm, i thought so
[10:29] <hendry> the udeb thingie eg?
[10:29] <hendry> the udeb thingie eh?
[10:29] <Kamion> yes
[10:30] <hendry> it would be nice if the d-i hacked in support so I could add my repo line from the preseed
[10:31] <hendry> so I should work from bazaar sources, and co http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/
[10:31] <Kamion> preseed> there's an outstanding patch for that, I'll look at it before dapper
[10:31] <Kamion> bzr, not bazaar
[10:31] <hendry> ok, bzr
[10:31] <hendry> oh, so. what about a mailing list for derivs?
[10:31] <Kamion> yes, bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/, push somewhere
[10:32] <Kamion> happy for derivative stuff to be on ubuntu-devel@ for now
[10:32] <Kamion> once it gets too high-volume, it can be split out
[10:32] <hendry> perry$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/
[10:32] <hendry> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds/kubuntu/dapper/
[10:32] <hendry> Kamion: ok. I am concerned how launchpad fits in
[10:33] <hendry> for bug reporting and things
[10:33] <hendry> because all our users will be speaking korean
[10:33] <hendry> and I needed to figure out to perhaps point them to support@hannux instead ubuntu-users
[10:33] <Kamion> sorry, gave you the wrong URL by mistake
[10:33] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/seeds/dapper/
[10:34] <Kamion> talk to the launchpad folks about that
[10:34] <Kamion> launchpad-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:34] <Kamion> that sort of thing is what they want to solve, although they probably need more real-world use cases like yours to flesh it out properly
[10:35] <hendry> Origin: Ubuntu
[10:35] <hendry> Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <hendry> Can mine read, Origin: Hannux ... ?
[10:35] <hendry> not sure how you did that
[10:36] <Kamion> that's all in override files in the archive
[10:36] <hendry> so you're using baz for cdimage and bzr for the seed management stuff. don't you get confused? ;)
[10:36] <Kamion> since you're running your own archive you can change it
[10:36] <hendry> those indices lists?
[10:36] <Kamion> yes
[10:36] <Kamion> override.dapper.extra.*, IIRC
[10:36] <hendry> ok
[10:36] <Kamion> baz/bzr> yes. I intend to change cdimage over, I just haven't had time.
[10:37] <hendry> though I want to use your archive and have my repo override yours if needs be
[10:37] <Kamion> if you want Origin: Hannux on every package, you'll need to regenerate the whole lot
[10:37] <hendry> so apt-ftparchive needs to manage 2 sets of overrides? is that possible I wonder?
[10:37] <hendry> Kamion: I only want to do it on my packages
[10:37] <Kamion> ok
[10:38] <Kamion> it doesn't need to manage two sets of overrides
[10:38] <hendry> I think it is dumb to rebrand Ubuntu stuff if I am not making changes
[10:38] <Kamion> you can just have different field values for different packages
[10:38] <Kamion> anyway, see the apt-ftparchive docs, they should get you started
[10:38] <hendry> not sure what you mean there
[10:38] <Kamion> the override does not say "apply Origin: Ubuntu to every package"
[10:39] <Kamion> it says "apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6, apply Origin: Ubuntu to libc6-dev, ..."
[10:39] <Kamion> so if you want to add Origin: Hannux for some packages, that's trivial
[10:39] <hendry> oh so I maintain my own indices list, but then it might become out of sync with yours
[10:39] <Kamion> anyway, I should think that's the least of your problems for now
[10:39] <hendry> oh well, i'll figure it out
[10:39] <Kamion> you'd obviously have to generate it automatically from our indices
[10:40] <Kamion> or, not
[10:40] <Kamion> if you're pointing users at our archive for most packages, you don't need to copy the indices from our archive
[10:40] <Kamion> your archive would *only* need to have indices for Hannux-specific packages
[10:41] <hendry> Kamion: ah... good point
[10:41] <hendry> i was following the CDremasterhowto on the wiki
[10:41] <hendry> and it seemed to insist on those indices.
[10:42] <hendry> do you have the apt-setup patch about? I could apply it myself and test it.
[10:42] <Kamion> the CD remaster howto is designed for people who don't have their own archive
[10:42] <Kamion> you should probably mostly ignore it
[10:43] <Kamion> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348509
[10:43] <hendry> bzr also takes forever to pull :)
[10:44] <hendry> Kamion: thank you
[10:44] <Kamion> it can take a while, yes ...
[10:45] <hendry> so you say I should branch the kubuntu seed. Do you think I need to branch the cdimage stuff too?
[10:45] <Kamion> quite possibly, yes
[10:46] <Kamion> you may be able to get away with different configuration and an extra cron script that's simple enough not to need revision control
[10:46] <hendry> should i perhaps switch baz over to bzr myself with cdimage (for sanity?)
[10:47] <Kamion> only if you enjoy pain
[10:47] <hendry> ok ok, :)
[10:47] <Kamion> and you'll have to keep applying the pain over and over in order to be able to pull changes from me (which is the whole point of branching, after all)
[10:49] <hendry> ok thanks again Kamion, without you I would be in pain
[10:49] <hendry> :)