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wBryce_goodnight12:05
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LaserJockogra_ibook: ping?12:40
tsengTonio_: slomo_ i dont have time to read the whole scrollback12:51
tsengTonio_: but the autostart file isnt for a beagle front end.. its for the backend12:51
tsengTonio_: frontends shouldnt touch it please12:51
slomo_tseng: that's what he want12:51
slomo_tseng: kde needs a autostart desktop file in /usr/share/autostart12:51
tsengwell then kde is wrong12:51
slomo_tseng: they don't use /etc/xdg/autostart yet12:51
Tonio_tseng: yes, that's what I asked for :)12:51
tsengshould be easy enough to fix12:51
slomo_tseng: so i just copied it over to the wrong/old location and now they're happy ;)12:52
tsengmake kde look in the standard prefix12:52
tsengslomo_: eh whatever12:52
tsengslomo_: thanks.12:52
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slomo_tseng: i guess they don't want to patch kde that hard... and when there's ubuntu-desktop installed on a kubuntu system you get gnome-volume-manager etc started by default... so it's maybe better the way it is now for this release12:52
tsengI guess12:53
tsengthat is a problem kde will have to fix12:54
tsengdoes gnome ignore /usr/share/autostart now?12:54
slomo_well, nobody forces them to use that standard :) but it would definitely better12:54
slomo_tseng: yes12:54
tsengok.12:54
tsenggood enough then12:54
slomo_that was the first i verified... i don't want two beagled at the same time :P12:55
tsengyeah that would be awful12:55
Amaranthiirc GNOME uses /etc/xdg/autostart and KDE uses /usr/share/autostart12:55
slomo_well, the second refuses to start... but awful nonetheless :)12:55
tsengDirectory: pool/universe/b/beagle12:55
Amaranthiirc KDE upstream plans to make all of their daemons OnlyShowIn=KDE and GNOME plans to do the same12:56
Amaranthso they can share a dir12:56
slomo_sounds useful :)12:56
tsengOnlyShowIn=GNOME;12:56
tsengwe already have this12:56
slomo_tseng: don't ask me why it isn't in main yet ;) evolution-sharp is for some reason...12:56
Amaranthtseng: do all the KDE ones have OnlyShowIn=KDE;?12:57
tsengi did a report for it in breezy12:57
tsengAmaranth: ENOKDE12:57
truz24report?12:57
Amaranthtseng: hehe12:57
tsengmain inclusion report12:57
truz24link?12:57
slomo_tseng: which was reused now... but no idea why beagle is not in main yet... should be afaik12:57
tsengok thanks12:57
tsengi saw a bit this morning12:57
tsengbut i was in meetings the rest of the day12:57
=== Amaranth hopes to see mono apps on the install CDs in dapper+1
tsengdont say that too loud12:58
Amaranthi wonder what could be dropped to make them fit12:58
tsengogra will bite your face off12:58
slomo_hehe12:58
Amaranthi think using lzma on the livecd + espresso would make it possible12:58
tsengnot for edubuntu01:00
tsengbut not my problem01:00
tsengf-spot + deps needs 10mb01:00
tsengby my count01:00
tsengthat is in debs, not on the livecd01:00
tsenginstalled size is left as an exercise for the reader01:00
slomo_shouldn'T be much larger as the livecd images are compressed afaik01:01
tsengi guess so01:01
robertjq. what happens if yall add a gnome vfs place pointing to revu1-incoming?01:03
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LaserJockI don't suppose anybody here knows anything about squeak ?01:08
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bddebianHeya gang03:05
LaserJockhi bddebian03:05
bddebianHeya LaserJock03:06
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Amaranthsorry03:22
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zakamehi MOTUs03:57
bddebianHeya zakame03:57
zakamehi bddebian! =)03:57
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no0tichi04:07
no0ticany ndiswrapper-utils mantainer here?04:07
no0ticndiswrapper-utils1.8 is not working on dapper04:07
no0ticI've opened a bug, but noone answered04:07
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Toadstoolgood night04:34
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psusiI was wondering, what is the policy on bug fixes in the stable release?  if a package is found to be broken in breezy, can not not be fixed in the breezy repo?  or must it wait for dapper?05:02
LaserJockmost likely wait for Dapper05:12
LaserJockunless it is security or really important (I think like eat your drive important)05:13
psusiwell, how about not quite eat your drive important, but the package is broken kind of thing?05:14
psusilike a package that by default is configured to start a server from inetd, so the /etc/init.d startup script fails to launch the daemon, but the package does not depend on inetd either?05:15
LaserJockI don't think so. If it can be built for breezy from the dapper source (without any changes) iit could be backported05:16
psusiI don't know or care about any updates in dapper really.. just seems that the original package that was released in breezy should have its depends line fixed so it properly installs inetd05:20
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psusior has the /etc config file line changed so that it correctly starts in stand alone mode, like the packager apparently intended05:20
psusisimple fix that makes it un broken, you  know?05:21
psusiseems like that kind of thing should just be slipped into the stable release05:21
LaserJockyeah, but there are quite a few of those really. Once you start to open the flood gates, then there really isn't much of a point in having a release I suppose05:22
LaserJockpsusi: but you're welcome to ask somebody more knowledgable then me05:23
LaserJockI've just always heard that it has to be a eats your drive kind of thing05:24
psusiwell, the point of having a release is to publish known good software... once it is found that a mistake was made and the published version is horribly broken....05:24
psusiwell, thanks for letting me know... just kind of sucks, that's all...05:25
LaserJockI understand though05:25
LaserJockI was working on a package for Breezy and finally got it to build05:25
LaserJockthen shortly after Breezy was released I found that it was completely broken05:26
LaserJockwouldn't run at all05:26
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psusiexactly05:26
psusithen all these bug reports come in and people complain about it05:26
LaserJockand I close them as fixed in dapper05:27
psusiwell, if it's a big problem, and the fix is simple enough....05:27
LaserJockbut dapper should have much fewer of those05:27
psusiif the fix is rather involved, then yea... you can tell them to wait for dapper05:27
psusioh?05:27
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LaserJockDapper is way better IMO05:28
psusiwell, of course ;)05:28
LaserJockI was doing tons of FTBFS the day before Breezy was released05:28
LaserJockand unmet deps05:28
psusiI sure hope the intelimouse regression gets fixed before it is released though05:28
psusithat's a rather glaring and silly bug that got introduced very early in dapper's development cycle and hasn't been fixed yet05:29
LaserJockWe have been focused on bugs for a while now05:29
psusikind of sucks that the X guru quit05:29
TheMusomeh. How do you guys find all these bugs? I know there is malone, but what search criteria do you use?05:29
psusiwell, I reported the intelimouse bug because I found it ;)05:30
LaserJockTheMuso: I look for bugs in specific packages (or sets of packages in MOTU Science's case)05:30
psusiand I'm still waiting for the e2fsprogs kernel header conflict on amd64 to be resolved upstream since they didn't like my fix to allow the defrag package to build on amd6405:31
LaserJockusually anyway05:31
TheMusoLaserJock: Well thats easy for you. :)05:31
LaserJockTheMuso: not really, I've got to look at ~ 400 source packages05:31
psusiand it looks like dmraid and packetcd are going to have to wait for dapper+105:31
=== psusi has been learnigng git lately and working on the kernel
TheMusoDmraid IMO should have been given more priority, as many people use fakeraid out there.05:32
psusiLOTS of changes filter in every day when I pull... it's awesome to watch05:32
psusiTheMuso, I agree05:32
psusiI started pushing for it before breezy was released05:33
psusitook me two weeks to get ubuntu installed because of that05:33
TheMusoI remember reading somewhere that it doesn't build against klibc or something.05:33
TheMusoSo you using it atm?05:33
psusiit was building against klibc... I've patched it in my version not to though, since there's no point05:33
psusiyes05:33
LaserJockwell, I couldn't care less personally, but that is just me. I don't do as much of that kind of stuff. But if people are using it it would be nice to have05:33
psusiI tell you what... some people think I'm nuts for getting the hardware fakeraid of 2 10,000 rpm raptors...05:34
TheMusoSo I guess what remains is implementing the proper components for d-i and espresso.05:34
psusifor them, I just point to my 24 second system boot time ;)05:34
TheMusopsusi: You may as well use software RAID in Linux natively, unless you need to keep Windows around.05:35
psusiTheMuso, aye... I wanted to keep windows around... just in case... though I never use it any more05:35
LaserJockso what is fakeraid?05:35
psusialso you can't boot directly from a software raid005:35
psusiLaserJock, bios assisted software raid, so it behaves like hardware raid05:35
TheMusoLaserJock: Fakeraid is where the RAID info is stored on the HDs that is created by the BIOS. But it is really software RAID.05:35
TheMusopsusi: Yeah true05:36
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psusiLaserJock, i.e. in windows you have to install a special driver, you configure the raid volumes in the bios setup utility, and the system boots directly from the raid05:36
LaserJockso it is a compromise? I've never done any raid before so I'm not exactly sure of all the requirements05:36
psusiTheMuso, yea, so with linux software raid, you have to set up a plain /boot partition so grub is happy, then put the rest of the system on the raid volume... which is kind of a pain05:36
TheMusopsusi: Yeah I know what you mean.05:37
TheMusoI guess if someone was to spend time implementing it for d-i and espresso it may have made it in.05:37
psusiLaserJock, yea, you could say that... really it's just a method companies came up with to produce ide "raid cards" cheap and make money selling "raid cards"05:37
psusiTheMuso, yea... I need to spend some more time trying to integrate it into d-i05:38
psusiit's complicated though...05:38
TheMusopsusi: What about espresso?05:38
psusino clue about that... not even seen it yet05:38
TheMusoYeah I can understand. First you need to teach partman about it...05:38
psusibut actually.... I think nothing even needs done for that...05:38
TheMusoRight.05:38
psusioh wait... espresso still uses partman right?05:38
TheMusoSpec: You may actually ahve a point there.05:39
psusiyea... partman needs to understand it05:39
TheMusoThat detection would have to be done by casper.05:39
psusiother than that, espresso is basically how I manually installed ubuntu in the first place05:39
TheMusopsusi: Don't know.05:39
TheMusoBut whatever partitioner is used, it would need to know about the dmraid created device nodes.05:39
psusiboot from the livecd, install the dmraid package, format disks, and debootstrap the system05:39
psusiaye...05:39
TheMusoSo have you been able to create the necessary initramfs hooks?05:40
psusiand most partitioners get pissy because the dmraid created volumes don't support the BLKRRPART ioctl05:40
TheMusoRight.05:40
psusiyes... I created the initramfs hooks and have added them to my version of the dmraid package, which is up on revu05:40
TheMusoAh ok.05:41
psusiI've had a bug filed on gparted not liking the dmraid drive since breezy rc... it looks like it might soon support it05:41
TheMusoHave other distros implemented dmraid yet?05:42
psusinot sure... but I think redhat is leading the charge05:42
psusidmraid is made by them05:42
TheMusoYeah I know.05:42
psusibased on the mailing list posts that I skim, it looks like they are still in the early stages of support05:43
psusibut it isn't a do it yourself thing either05:43
LaserJockhmm, well you guys lost me :-)05:43
psusiLaserJock, if you want to read up on it a bit check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto05:44
=== TheMuso wishes hardware RAID sollutions were cheaper.
psusiTheMuso, may as well wish scsi was cheaper05:44
TheMusoYeah true.05:44
psusibesides, fakeraid is just as good05:44
TheMusoOr even the IDE RAID sollutions.05:44
psusithey are cheap... most motherboards these days have it built in05:44
TheMusoI mean hardware IDE raid.05:45
psusiat least the bargain basment $50 ones05:45
psusierr... at least NOT the bargain basement ones05:45
LaserJockhmm, I've just got a single 120GB 7200 RPM IDE drive05:45
TheMusopsusi: Never thought you could do fakeraid 5.05:46
psusiLaserJock, I've been a big proponent of fast disks for years... got 2 10,000 rpm 36 gig raptors now... last system had two u160 scsi 18 gig 15,000 rpm cheetahs... before that it was dual 9 gig 10,000 rpm cheetahs05:46
psusiTheMuso, I think I read that some of them can05:46
psusiTheMuso, mine can't, I know that... only has 2 ports05:47
psusidual drives and dual cpus... makes for a very nice system05:47
LaserJockpsusi: I've never really thought about hard drive speed before but I suppose it could really be a bottleneck05:48
psusiLaserJock, aye... most people don't think about it05:48
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psusibut it is just as important as a fast cpu or graphics card05:48
psusior ram05:48
psusionce you have a gig of ram, the next priority is hard disk05:49
TheMusoDamn right.05:49
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TheMusoAnd have managed to do so for all systems I have here.05:50
psusithat's a must... and also why I'm so happy to have sata now05:50
psusino more master/slave BS05:50
psusiand sata even supports NCQ... it's almost as smart as scsi was 10 years ago ;)05:50
TheMusoHere in Australia, Sata drives are still more expensive than IDE. I am not going SATA till they are cheaper than IDE.05:51
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psusireally?05:52
TheMusoYeah.05:53
psusiI decided to go for sata instead of scsi on this computer when I built it... hrm... wow... two years ago now?05:53
psusibecause it was so cheap05:53
psusi10,000 rpm sata wd raptor drives are an absolute steal05:53
psusihigh performance at a very low price05:54
TheMusoI am sure you have other data drives as well?05:54
TheMusoOr are they the only ones?05:54
psusithe 74 gig version is now on newegg.com for $125 after rebate...05:55
psusinope... just those two05:55
psusitwo 36 gig drives in a stripe05:55
TheMusoRight.05:55
psusithat still feelds strange to say I have 72 gigs of storage.... wasn't that long ago that I thought I was the shiznit because I was the first guy on the block with a MASSIVE 1 GB drive... heh05:56
psusiwow... the 36 gig raptors are only $100 on newegg05:57
psusimakes me wish I had another port...05:57
TheMusohahaha05:58
psusiSPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED! ;)05:58
psusi30,905 messages.... since Jan 106:00
=== psusi wonders if he should clean up his lkml maildir a bit
TheMusohahaha06:02
TheMusopsusi: Thats a good howto.06:02
=== TheMuso was trying to do that with dmraid when the old mkinitrd was being used. Boy was that messy.
TheMusoBut I no longer need RAID of any sort or Windows so it no longer concerns me.06:02
psusiTheMuso, thanks06:03
psusiI've had probably a dozen different people email me about using it06:04
psusiso it seems there IS demand for it06:04
TheMusoI am sure there is.06:04
psusinow I just need to get the spec approved for dapper+1 ;)06:04
TheMusoAnd many who say stuff it, I will re-install windows and set things up on different drives.06:04
TheMusoWhat is the link to the spec?06:05
psusihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidSpec06:05
TheMusoThanks.06:05
psusiI cant wait for lvm to support raid1 and raid5 rather than having to use lvm on top of md06:07
TheMusoAnd I guess with the CPUs being as powerful as they are today, raid work is probably not much to be done in software.06:07
psusiexactly... the only one that actually involves any work at all is raid5, and computing xor is not much work06:08
psusiwell, raid6 actually is a good deal of work06:08
TheMusoI need to read up about RAID 5 again.06:09
psusibut if you need raid6 you can afford to get that 30 drive 4U rack mount hardware raid system ;)06:09
TheMusoRAID 0/1 is what most people need anyway.06:09
psusiaye...06:09
psusipower users and soho servers just need raid 0/106:09
TheMuso...and a good backup plan06:09
psusiaye06:09
psusiso what do you think about the spec?06:10
TheMusoI think it is good. There is really nothing else to say about it.06:10
psusisweet06:11
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psusiso... what should I do to try and get the specs approved for dapper+1?  bring it up in the dev meeting once dapper is finalized?06:13
TheMusoI dunno.06:13
crimsunyeah, you'll want to do that06:14
psusiok... lets see... was there a wiki page to add topics to like for the CC?06:14
psusithat reminds me... I really need to propose myself to become a member...06:15
psusigreat googly moogly!06:15
psusimalone says I have 18,417 karma!06:15
psusiis that enough to be reincarnated as buda? ;)06:16
crimsunnot really. I think sh at some point had over 150k06:17
LaserJockcheck out seb128's too06:17
psusiwowsers06:18
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VoXwhy on earth would my nic have gone from eth0 to eth2, when there is only one nic installed in the box?06:20
VoXer06:20
VoXwrong #06:20
lakinseb128 at one point had half a million karma, it's back down to something a bit more reasonable now I assume?06:23
psusijesus...06:23
psusior should I say Buddah?06:23
crimsunprobably. I mean I had something ridiculous last week, and it made no sense.06:23
crimsunalthough I dare say seb deserved his half mil more than I did my inflated amt ;)06:24
lakinWell they increased the amounts certain things were worth, which shot everyone up really high, and then implemented some sort of time-based reduction, so karma is worth more, if it's more recent.06:24
lakinyeah, he does.06:24
=== ajmitch waves
lakincrimsun, i umm meant, he deserves his high amount, I meant nothing with regards to your amount. :)06:27
crimsunlakin: no offense read in your statement :)06:27
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crimsun'lo ajmitch06:27
ajmitchhi06:28
LaserJockhi ajmitch06:31
Se7haloha06:32
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ajmitchhi Hobbsee06:38
Hobbseehey ajmitch :)06:38
ajmitchhow's it going?06:38
Hobbseegood, i've found that chem textbooks make very good pillows, in the uni library...06:39
ajmitchheh06:41
ajmitchnot enough sleep last night? :)06:41
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psusisurely ben collins has a few signatures on his gpg key?  I retrieved it with gpg --recieve-key, but when I --edit-key it and issue a check command, it shows only the self sig06:42
psusiis there something more I have to do in order to see who all has signed it?06:42
TheMusopsusi: gpg --list-sigs06:43
psusiTheMuso, same thing... only signature listed for his key is his own06:44
TheMusoWhat is his key ID?06:44
psusi60e80b5b06:44
psusiat least, that's what malone says06:45
TheMusoRight.06:45
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psusibtw... why the heck is the key id only list the first 32 bits?06:45
ajmitchHobbsee: welcome back :)06:46
Hobbseehehe thanks :)06:46
LaserJockHobbsee: at least it was chem textbooks ;-)06:46
Hobbseeand my arm, yes...06:46
ajmitchHobbsee: you need to find a better pillow06:46
Hobbseefunnily enough, my arm was a bit sore after that!06:46
ajmitchheh06:46
ajmitchyou didn't sleep enough last night/06:46
ajmitch?06:46
Hobbseehmm...true06:46
Hobbseehavent been for the last couple of weeks06:46
Hobbseegoing to bed at 2am, you know :P06:47
ajmitchwho would do such a thing?06:47
KyralHacking?06:47
ajmitchshocking..06:47
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KyralI apologize for being hyper in advance :P06:47
TheMusoI see what you mkean.06:47
Hobbseehehe06:48
Hobbseeajmitch: easy, i dont get tired before then, for the moment at least, and then end up exhausted when i have to get up the next morning06:49
ajmitchHobbsee: yeah, that's a bit of a problem, especially when you need to get to classes in the morning06:49
Hobbseeyeah...06:49
=== ajmitch did manage to make it to uni by 9AM today :)
Hobbseewoot!06:50
=== Hobbsee didnt manage to make it on time
ajmitchbut I went to bed early, only about 1:3006:50
=== Hobbsee forgot about the existance of the 10am traffic jam, that does not exist at 9.40am.
ajmitchouch06:50
Kyrallol06:50
Kyralthis is why I live on Campus :D06:50
=== ajmitch had 3 assignments due on friday, got an extension on 1 of them today
Hobbseeah yes, now *there's* a good idea!06:51
Kyralwhat is?06:51
StevenKBlah, I didn't manage to get to uni by 9am either.06:51
Hobbseeliving on campus06:52
ajmitchStevenK: funny that06:52
Hobbseemind you, i've found that taking the laptop into uni, then leaving at 8 or 9 pm works pretty well, in avoiding peak hour06:52
StevenKI came close today - 9:20 or so06:52
KyralI am always at Uni lol06:52
ajmitchjoy new upstream release for 3 of my debian packages06:52
Hobbseehehe @ ajmitch - get going!06:56
ajmitchHobbsee: I've got a bit of other work to do first :)06:56
Hobbseebah...stupid assignmetns...you can do mine too, if you like...06:56
Kyraland mine!06:57
ajmitchnot just assignments, also some coding work06:57
Hobbseeare yours better than mine?06:57
ajmitchKyral: no thanks06:57
Kyralmine?06:57
Hobbseeah well, one of my assignments is coding...06:57
Hobbseeyes06:57
Kyral"Operating System Simulator"06:57
ajmitchat least I could probably understand Hobbsee's assignments :)06:57
Kyralwhich are?06:57
Hobbseeajmitch06:57
Hobbseetrue!06:58
whiprushhi aj, everyone.06:58
Hobbseedarn enter key...06:58
Hobbseehi whiprush06:58
ajmitchhey whiprush06:58
ajmitchwhat's up?06:58
whiprushnot much06:58
Kyralhi whiprus06:58
=== StevenK has to write a threaded matrix addition app using Windows.
Kyral.....06:58
whiprushajmitch: thanks for accepting that bug. :D06:58
ajmitchwhiprush: bad news on the f-spot-import & g-v-m bug06:58
=== Kyral hands StevenK a hard beer
whiprushoh no!06:58
ajmitchwhiprush: I checked with seb & pitti & it can't be added into gconf as an option06:58
ajmitchthe ui lied to us06:58
HobbseeKyral: there's such a thing as a soft beer?06:59
whiprushheh06:59
KyralI meant like a real beer06:59
Kyralnot American Beer :P06:59
Hobbseeoh.06:59
whiprushthere's always hope for just making it the default in dapper+106:59
=== Hobbsee doesnt drink bear anyway :P
ajmitchyeah06:59
Kyralbear?06:59
Hobbseeer, or beer!06:59
StevenKHobbsee: Or beer, either?06:59
Kyrallol06:59
whiprushanyone heard from \sh yet?06:59
KyralI haven't been around06:59
=== Hobbsee jumps on StevenK, first, before she gets jumped on
=== Kyral jumps on Hobbsee
Hobbseewhiprush: i havent in ages07:00
Hobbseeack!07:00
=== Kyral huggles
StevenKAiee07:00
=== StevenK is squished
KyralMOTU Bear Hug!07:00
Hobbseehehe!07:00
=== ajmitch stays out of it
=== Hobbsee pulls ajmitch in as well
=== Kyral grabs ajmitch in
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=== Kyral pulls SEJeff into the MOTU Bear Hug
=== StevenK wishes to express his need to get some air.
Hobbseeair's overrated StevenK...07:01
=== SEJeff thinks Kyral needs to break the pill in 1/2 next time he takes his medicine
SEJeff:)07:01
ajmitchSEJeff: I'd agree07:01
=== Kyral is gonna keep his mouth shut on this one....or else Hobbsee will hurt him
StevenKHobbsee: And a nasty habit to boot?07:01
KyralI haven't taken it yet....07:01
Kyralthanks for reminding me :D07:02
HobbseeLOL!07:02
HobbseeStevenK: exactly.07:02
Hobbseeso's eating.07:02
SEJeffajmitch: what ever happened to the motu-school, did that kind of die?07:03
HobbseeKyral: why, what were you going to say?07:03
Kyralnothing....07:03
=== Kyral smacks himself hard
StevenKKyral: It's a trap!07:03
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ajmitchSEJeff: it required people to want to teach, things to teach, and people to listen07:03
KyralStevenK: no shit07:03
StevenKDamn, too slow.07:03
KyralI've watched enough anime to know what would happen if I answered :P07:03
KyralSomething would have come out of Hammerspace and smacked me HARD07:04
Hobbseehehe07:04
SEJeffajmitch: yeah that is a pretty thankless job I guess. I'm going give a go at packaging leaftag this week or next if I can07:04
=== Hobbsee isnt usually that violent...
Hobbseewhiprush: last signed in on  Last Seen: 4 weeks 5 days (20h 59m 56s) ago (\sh_away seen 4 weeks 5 days (20h 59m 56s) ago)07:04
whiprushyikes07:05
KyralHobbsee: Ever see Love Hina?07:05
HobbseeKyral: nope07:05
Kyralheeh its good07:05
Kyrala little on the harem side, but still funny07:05
=== Kyral <3 anime
Hobbseeugh, harems07:06
KyralIts not that bad...07:07
Kyralthough I think I like School Rumble better07:07
=== Kyral shrugs and goes to watch a couple eps of Inuyasha before bed
Hobbseemmm ok :P07:09
Kyralhuh?07:09
Hobbseeto the "it's not that bad"07:09
Hobbseewas reading about NM07:09
ajmitchHobbsee: how's the kubuntu bugfixing going? :)07:10
Kyraloh, Full Metal Panic?! Fumoffu is good (along with Full Metal Panic and Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid)07:10
KyralNM?07:10
Hobbseeajmitch: dunno yet, not sure if there's that much focus on it right now - seems like there's a fair bit on network-manager-kde, and maybe kpowersave07:10
HobbseeKyral: network manager.07:11
ajmitchHobbsee: so what have you been working on?07:11
KyralKerry got accepted07:11
=== Kyral <3 whoever packaged it
Hobbseeme personally?  some testing, including of kde 3.5.2, and being at uni, with all the insane assignments, and catching u07:11
Hobbseep07:11
=== Kyral curls up under a blanket and watches Inuyasha
=== Hobbsee throws a bucket of icy water onto Kyral :P
=== Kyral narrows his eyes and stops the water in midair
ajmitchkids these days..07:13
Kyralhey I'm 20 years old07:13
ajmitchand?07:14
=== Hobbsee was asked if she had kids, a couple of weeks ago - doesnt that mean that i shouldnt be called a kid?
KyralDon't call me a kid unless you are prepared to be called "Old Man" :P07:14
poningrustupid kids07:14
KyralHEY!07:14
Hobbseestupid poningru :P07:14
Kyralmeh.....07:14
=== Kyral shouldn't ask...but how old is Hobbsee
Hobbsee1707:15
=== Kyral blinks
Kyraland already in college?07:15
=== Hobbsee doesnt have a problem with people asking that - but i do have a problem when they see that, then start hitting on me!
HobbseeKyral: yes.  i was the youngest in the grade thru school07:15
Kyralwait....Euro?07:15
ajmitchhah07:16
=== Kyral blinks
=== StevenK feels old.
=== poningru too
KyralSorry....a 17 year old in college is kinda odd in the US, thats why I ask07:17
=== poningru is 21
=== StevenK is 24
ajmitchKyral: not that unusual here07:17
Kyraloh jeez poningru don't say that07:17
Kyralajmitch: Ah Aussie07:17
poningruhow old are ya?07:17
LaserJockKyral: I started college at 16 ;-)07:17
poningruoh 2007:17
KyralYah!07:17
KyralSo don't feel old!07:17
KyralI'm one year behind you!07:17
poningruuni in US != uni in Euro07:17
Kyralponingru: I know this07:17
Kyralwhich is why I asked07:18
poningruimagine your junior year and your senior in hs as a uni07:18
=== Erlang is 25 CAN Y/O, with the exchange rate or 29 US Y/O
Kyralponingru: I know, my college has a program like that07:18
KyralThough I'm not "used" to 2007:18
HobbseeKyral: australia.07:18
poningruhehe07:19
Se7h'back to school' heh?07:19
KyralI sometimes I have to remind myself that I am 20 and not 16 :P07:19
=== Hobbsee keeps answering that she's 18
LaserJocklol, I have to remind myself that I'm 24 and not 3507:19
KyralYou said 1707:19
poningrua what?07:19
=== Hobbsee has signed a document, saying, among other things that she's 18
Se7hLaserJock lmao07:19
poningruLaserJock: hahahahaha07:19
HobbseeKyral: i am 17, i keep forgetting, and answering 1807:19
KyralHobbsee: PUIRJURY :P07:19
Hobbseehehe07:19
Hobbseei had to for work - was told "you must sign this"07:20
Hobbseeso i did...and ignored the one about the age limit07:20
KyralYah, well, its called "working papers"07:20
Kyralin the US ;P07:20
Kyralanyway, back to Inuyasha...I need to relax before bed07:20
Hobbseehehe07:20
ajmitchheh07:20
poningruINYUASHA07:20
KyralI'll be working for 10 hours streight tomorrow07:20
poningrukogome07:20
KyralSIT BOY!07:20
Hobbseeugh07:20
poningruI hate that show07:20
Kyralkik07:21
LaserJockKyral: this *is* relaxing before bed07:21
Se7hyou people should got and rest, you all look tired07:21
Kyrallol07:21
poningruhehe you are lucky with that schedule07:21
KyralExcel Saga07:21
KyralYEA!07:21
poningruI have 2 meetings to go to07:21
crimsunoh I'm definitely tired, but there are so friggin many alsa-* bugs on malone...07:21
poningruand then an exam07:21
ErlangInuyasha?07:21
poningruthen a tutoring job07:21
KyralAnime07:21
KyralExcel Saga is MOST EXCELLENT07:21
poningruhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuyasha07:21
poningruit sucks07:21
Erlangoh, I know nothing of that.07:21
Se7hcrimsun i would help if i didnt have work at 14h and its 6.21am here07:22
Hobbseecrimsun: easy solution - ditch alsa?  :P07:22
KyralYah well, I started watching it and I tend to finish things07:22
Se7hoff to bed07:22
Se7hcya all07:22
KyralSuzuka is good....07:22
=== ajmitch is not an anime fan, and just doesn't 'get it'
KyralAi Yori Aoshi is good07:22
crimsunHobbsee: hehe07:22
=== Hobbsee agrees with ajmitch
LaserJockajmitch: +107:22
=== StevenK doesn't get anime either.
KyralTrigun....07:22
ErlangI prefer Other Things.07:22
KyralFMP07:22
KyralAzumanga Daioh07:23
ajmitchKyral: I think we've established that you like anime..07:23
Kyralehehehe07:23
KyralNo kiddin07:23
KyralI have over 190 GB of anime07:23
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% du -sh /media/media/tv07:24
StevenK257G    /media/media/tv07:24
LaserJockOh My Gosh!07:24
poningruholy shit07:24
LaserJockI've got 2GB of music and that is it07:24
=== StevenK has ~7.5G of music
Kyral186G/home/kyral/anime07:25
Kyralhmm07:25
Kyral333G/home/kyral/anime07:25
Kyralhehe07:25
LaserJockI wouldn't have enough room for pbuilders and chroots if I did that07:25
crimsunI um, have lots of failed build logs.07:26
=== Erlang is having fun breaki..."refactoring" his own code.
ajmitchsigh, diskspace comparisons..07:26
=== StevenK grins.
Kyraloh god...07:27
KyralOne Piece takes up 52 GB?!07:27
=== Kyral deletes
Erlangwhat's more manly, uptime or diskspace comparisons?07:28
Kyralor Server!07:28
Kyralazuredreams.us/munin07:28
ajmitchErlang: bug fixing07:28
crimsunlaunchpad karma, definitely07:28
ajmitchcrimsun: nah07:28
Erlangha ;D nice one07:28
LaserJockhow bout how many times we've broken Universe?07:29
ajmitchcrimsun: we know you've been doing a lot of bug work lately :)07:29
Hobbseehehe07:29
crimsunajmitch: bahah07:29
ajmitchLaserJock: fixing universe would be preferable thanks :)07:29
LaserJockajmitch: oh, yeah... that's what I meant ;-)07:30
Hobbseeit needs someone to bork it, to fix it though :P07:30
ajmitchHobbsee: it's well borked07:30
Hobbseehehe07:30
=== Hobbsee cites wpasupplicant, which doesnt work with the current versions of knm. yes, i suppose it's borked
Hobbseeoh crud!!!!07:31
=== Hobbsee has to go get petrol, before the price goes up!
=== Hobbsee searches for money
Kyrallol07:31
KyralI am SO glad I don't drive :D07:31
ajmitchI've got $60 in my wallet here if you need it? :)07:31
Hobbseeoh thanks :)07:31
=== Hobbsee would appreciate that
Kyralajmitch: you live near her?07:31
ajmitchKyral: about 3 hour flight07:31
=== Kyral falls down
KyralThat ain't what I call near....07:32
Hobbseeunfortunately, i went shopping a few days ago...and i havent been paid again yet07:32
Hobbseeanyway, back soon07:32
=== ajmitch still has that $60 AUD from the brisbane trip
KyralI mean by your definition I live "near" my uncle in Cali07:32
poningruHobbsee: why are you not in #ubuntu-women07:32
Hobbseeponingru: good question.  guess i already connect into enough as it is07:33
ajmitchponingru: because -motu is much more fun?07:33
Hobbseehehe07:33
Hobbseethat too07:33
Kyralyah! We aren't allowed in there :P07:33
Hobbseefeels weird having a "women" channel - i've worked more with the guys, all my life07:33
Kyralits like some IPTables thing07:33
poningruKyral: yes you are07:33
poningruhehe07:33
Kyralponingru: it was a joke :P07:33
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poningruyeah figured that out about two seconds after I wrote that07:34
Kyralif ( user.gender == male ) { return 1; } :P07:34
Hobbsee27.80 - woot!  think i'll be able to refer to pay for petrol07:34
KyralAgain this is why I don't drive....07:34
HobbseeKyral: else {break}07:34
ajmitchexcellent :)07:34
Hobbseehehe :)07:35
KyralHobbsee: no07:35
Hobbseeback in a bit07:35
Kyralelse { return 0; } :P07:35
HobbseeKyral: well, seeing as "blow up" isnt exactly standard c++ :P07:35
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Hobbsee_awaynow stop delaying me hehe!07:35
Kyralvoid blow_up ( user user ) { delete *user; }07:36
Hobbsee_awaynow that's getting more complex than i understand hehe07:36
Hobbsee_awayi sorta do...oh well07:36
=== Hobbsee_away should read her textbook
ajmitchHobbsee_away: stop getting distracted, go get petrol :)07:37
=== Kyral wishes he could travel overseas...
=== ajmitch too..
Kyralajmitch: you HAVE, I remember meeting you at UBZ :P07:38
ajmitchthat was ages ago07:38
=== Erlang goes on the hunt for bugs.
Kyralyes, but more than I have07:39
Kyraland Canada doesn't count when its a half-hour drive07:39
LaserJockKyral: I haven't even been to Canada and I lived probably only 4-6 hrs away07:40
KyralLaserJock: its literally my backyard07:41
=== ajmitch hasn't even been to europe yet
KyralMontreal is like 2 hours away07:41
KyralI wanna go to Euro07:41
LaserJockAll I've ever done is go to Mexio (kinda going upstream)07:42
TheMusoHas anything been released about the next dev summit at all?07:42
KyralDev Summit?07:42
TheMusoThe next conference for Ubuntu.07:42
Kyralah07:42
KyralI don't think so07:43
ajmitchnothing yet07:43
TheMusoRight.07:43
Kyralsabdfl just did that Asia Tour right?07:43
ajmitchyes, he did07:43
Kyralyah let him "rest" a bit :P07:43
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LaserJockthey should just do it in London07:44
ajmitchLaserJock: again?07:44
Kyralor Germany....07:44
ajmitchit's been in the UK twice already07:44
LaserJockajmitch: ah, I didn't know that07:44
KyralI have family in Germany :P07:44
LaserJockajmitch: shoulda figured07:44
KyralI don't care where it is07:44
KyralI'll find a way to go :D07:44
ajmitchKyral: & you'll be busy writing up specs & planning the distro?07:45
Kyralnope07:45
KyralI'll just be listening07:45
KyralI mean I know nothing....07:45
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LaserJockI doubt I'll make it07:45
Kyralbut I figure if I listen I'll learn a lot :D07:45
LaserJockhi tritium and minghua07:45
ajmitchyou must be rich if you'll fly around the world to listen to people argue :)07:46
Kyralright "old man"? :P07:46
tritiumHi LaserJock :)07:46
Kyralajmitch: I only said the Dev Summit07:46
=== tritium waves at ajmitch
minghuahi LaserJock, ajmitch, Kyral and tritium :-)07:46
ajmitchhey tritium07:46
KyralLike I said if its in Germany I'm good07:46
ajmitchKyral: yes, which is a week or so of BoFs & spec-writing07:46
KyralI have family there07:46
KyralThough I have always wanted to visit Italy *Is half Italian*07:47
ajmitchassuming that it's in the same area of germany as your family :)07:47
LaserJockhmm, can you make rules/filters easily with mutt?07:50
TheMusoLaserJock: What do you want to do?07:50
LaserJockI just want to move email to different folders as they come in based on To: or CC:07:51
ajmitchLaserJock: I'd use procmail07:51
minghuause procmail then07:51
TheMusoprocmail07:51
LaserJockhmm, seems like a concensus07:51
LaserJockI've been using pine or thunderbird but I'm trying to explore all my options07:52
TheMusoMailman lists are easy to filter as they have a List-Id. Thats what I use for filtering ubuntu lists and other lists using mailman.07:52
VoXi use evol07:52
VoXworks like a charm07:52
LaserJockVoX: yeah, well I managed to screw over my IMAP in about 2 mins with evo. That is the last time I tried it :(07:53
VoXpfft07:53
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whiprushLaserJock: here's a tbird-like muttrc: http://trunks.whiprush.org/~jorge/.muttrc07:53
whiprushit took me like 2 weeks to come up with that07:54
whiprushit's pretty sweet though07:54
TheMusoMutt's powerful key commands and customizability are irrisistable.07:54
LaserJockalso I use OSX, Windows, and linux so I'm trying to be figure out how be able to access from different machines07:54
=== TheMuso has worked out a system for multiple mailboxes all filtered properly with fetchmail and procmail, and mutt reads them all.
TheMusoAnd depending on what box I am in, depends on what address the email appears from.07:54
LaserJockwhiprush: cool, thanks07:55
TheMusoLaserJock: If you want an idea of how I have done mine, I'd be happy to show you07:55
LaserJockTheMuso: sure, the more the merrier (or confused, we'll see)07:56
=== minghua tends to bet on confused :-P
TheMusoLaserJock: Give me a sec.07:57
LaserJockminghua: I agree but what the heck. I did the same thing for .vimrc07:57
siretartmorning07:58
TheMusoLaserJock: http://www.themuso.com/muttrc.txt -- It isn't commented sorry.07:59
LaserJockTheMuso: thanks08:00
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=== Hobbsee_away is back
KyralHow ironic08:04
KyralI was about to (literally) climb into bed08:04
ajmitchwelcome back Hobbsee08:04
ajmitchKyral: so do so?08:04
=== Kyral loves having his bed lofted about 7 feet in the air
TheMusoooo nice.08:05
Kyralyah08:05
Kyral'cept the ceiling is like 8 feet high :P08:05
=== Kyral gets the feeling that ajmitch is annoyed by him
Kyralanyway goodnight people08:06
Hobbseenight Kyral08:06
HobbseeKyral: i get that feeling as well - about me annoying everyone :P08:07
Kyralwhee we have something n common ;P08:08
ajmitchKyral: only sometimes annoyed :)08:09
ajmitchHobbsee: I doubt you'd annoy too many people08:10
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Hobbseeajmitch: ah right08:21
Hobbseei'll take your word for it :)08:22
ajmitchpartly because you're away most of the day at work or uni ;)08:23
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ajmitchhey zakame08:28
Hobbseehi zakame08:28
zakamehello ajmitch Hobbsee ! :D08:28
Hobbseeajmitch: hehe!  so i cant disrupt the chat there?08:28
ajmitchHobbsee: hehe, nah, you haven't been disruptive08:29
Hobbseeright08:30
ajmitchthough you probably haven't fixed enough bugs yet...08:30
Hobbseei know08:30
Hobbseethat's the trouble, not knowing much C++ yet...08:31
ajmitchthere's always a few thousand other universe bugs to fix08:31
Hobbseetrue08:31
ajmitchmany of them not needing any coding knowledge08:31
ajmitchwe're mere weeks away from release, and we want universe to shine08:31
=== Hobbsee has a vested interest in fixing kde-based stuff though :P
Hobbseetrue08:31
Hobbseeanything in particular that you recommend?08:31
ajmitchbug day on friday, doing general triage, or doing lots of simple packaging fixes08:32
ajmitchit's easy enough to find 10 packages that are 'low-hanging fruit'08:32
ajmitchlike rebuilds for unmet deps, python2.3->2.4 problems, .desktop files08:32
zakameor x-swatting :)08:33
ajmitchthat too :)08:33
ajmitchthere's a few hundred bugs assigned to MOTU to get rid of08:33
Gloubiboulgamorning08:33
=== ajmitch thinks a few of the unassigned bugs could be assigned to MOTU if they're for universe
ajmitchhello Gloubiboulga08:33
Gloubiboulgahey ajmitch08:34
tritiumHi Hobbsee :)08:34
Hobbseehey tritium08:34
Hobbseelooks like i'm being sent to work :D08:34
ajmitchlucky you!08:34
ajmitchgood thing you got petrol then08:34
zakameheya Gloubiboulga08:34
Hobbseeajmitch: ubuntu work, silly!08:34
Gloubiboulgahi zakame :)08:35
ajmitchHobbsee: haha, sorry, I thought you meant you got a phone call & had to work ;)08:35
Hobbseeah....nope...greatful i dont have to go there either - the night manager is angry at me08:35
ajmitchwhat for?08:35
tritiumWhere do you work, Hobbsee?08:35
Hobbseetritium: at a supermarket08:36
tritiumah08:36
Hobbseeajmitch: a, cos i was late, cos my car broke down, but, the bigger one - cos i whinged about him taking the manager, and leaving me as the sole employee in the store, apart from a new girl, who had to go home.  and it went busy, and the customers got angry.  so i complained to head head manager about it on the phone.08:36
ajmitchooh08:37
ajmitchso he's rightly getting the blame & not liking it :)08:38
Hobbsee(complaining about the rostering, which also, in effect, blamed him)08:38
Hobbseeyes.  lol08:38
Hobbseeso he was there on sunday, throwing crap at me for stuff that i'd prefer to forget (sleezy guy asking me very...ah...interesting questions...ick.), etc08:39
=== ajmitch needs a faster laptop to build on
Hobbseehehe08:39
ajmitchyou seem to get hit on a lot?08:39
Hobbseeajmitch: how do i search for wrong deps on packages - any specific way?08:39
Hobbseeyes, it seems so.  most unfortunate.08:39
crimsunhmm, I never seem to have _that_ problem. =)08:39
ajmitchHobbsee: apt-cache -i unmet shows those packages currently uninstallable due to broken depends08:40
ajmitchcrimsun: funny, I'm the same08:40
Hobbseeah!08:40
=== zakame needs a lappy too
Hobbseecrimsun: hehe, lucky08:40
Hobbseeooh man, fun!08:40
Hobbseeand a UVF exception thingo for each of them?08:40
siretartHobbsee: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/unmet/dapper-unmet.txt is updated daily08:41
ajmitchHobbsee: usually it doesn't need it08:41
ajmitchsometimes a rebuild will work08:41
ajmitchother times it requires some more work08:41
ajmitchah, or that list :)08:41
=== ajmitch is working on a few of them
Hobbseebut if i have to change it, then i need to file a UVF exception?08:41
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ajmitchPackage zope-zshell version 1.60-2 has an unmet dep:08:42
ajmitch Depends: zope (>= 2.6.1-7)08:42
ajmitchnow that's old08:42
ajmitchsiretart: I'll be requesting a UVF exception for zope-zwiki soon - upstream has filed bugs about it :)08:43
ajmitchright, zope-zshell is a straight (non-UVF) sync from debian08:43
TheMusoc08:44
TheMusodamn...08:44
TheMusoajmitch: If a rebuild is necessary, what has to be done?08:44
ajmitchTheMuso: if a rebuild is all that's needed, then just upload the rebuilt package with x.y.z-1 changed to x.y.z-1build1, for example08:45
TheMusocheers.08:45
ajmitchHobbsee: I'm sure you'll find plenty to do ;)08:47
Hobbseehehe i'm seeing that...08:47
crimsunnice, wpasupp->main08:47
ajmitchgood08:48
Hobbseeupdating my pbuilder now - something's screwing up with it08:48
ajmitchand then you can go for MOTU - until then if you need to put a patch up, add it as an attachment on malone & assign the bug task to motureviewers08:48
TheMusoIf a build-dep needs to be changed, is there a quick way of installing all other build-deps even though one in the archive is broken?08:49
ajmitchTheMuso: cut & paste from what it complains about? :)08:49
ajmitcheg gl-117 is sitting on my disk, is FTBFS in the archive due to bad x build-deps08:50
ajmitchI just tried building & grabbed the deps it says it needed08:51
TheMusoajmitch: No, if the package has a broken build-dep in the archive, and I fix it in my local copy, how do I get all the new build-deps installed for the package including my fixed dep, without manually entering them into an install line?08:51
ajmitch& changed the others to suit what's in dapper08:51
ajmitchTheMuso: in pbuilder?08:51
ajmitchthe easy way is to get the broken build-dep fixed in the archive, if that's what you mean08:52
TheMusoNo. I know pbuilder fetches everything08:52
TheMusonever mind.08:52
Hobbseeajmitch: stupid question, i know, but the build deps need to be installed on my machine, if i'm building with a pbuilder?08:53
tritiumNope, Hobbsee08:53
zakamepbuilder login?08:53
tritiumJust inside the pbuilder chroot08:53
Hobbseetritium: then why do i get this?  http://pastebin.com/62646808:53
crimsunah, good old pdebuild08:54
ajmitchbecause you're using pdebuild08:54
Hobbseeand i'm supposed to be using?08:54
zakameHobbsee: nope, unless your pbuilder's in a chroot (but even that's optional)08:54
ajmitchwhich does a build-dep check before it's in the chroot, usually because it needs things for the clean target08:55
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TheMusoHobbsee: I was just wondering the same thing till I remembered pdebuild. :)08:55
=== tritium used to do as ajmitch does
ajmitchHobbsee: you will not have much luck with zope stuff, btw :)08:55
Hobbseeajmitch: ah ok, and you can still specify your key and all that automatically?08:55
Hobbseeoh, why not?08:55
ajmitchbecause the zope packages require special care & loving attention08:56
ajmitchand a rebuild will not fix them08:56
ajmitchwhich is why I tend to get dumped with all the zope stuff in universe ;)08:56
Hobbseewhat do they need, or do i not want to know? i'm curious now08:56
ajmitchyou really don't want to know08:56
crimsunajmitch really just LOVES the pain.08:56
Hobbseeheh right08:56
zakameHobbsee: pdebuild --use-pbuilder-internal08:57
ajmitchforking main source packages to build python2.3-* binaries for universe08:57
ajmitch*eeevil*08:57
Hobbseehehe!08:57
ajmitchHobbsee: once I get the forked nastiness in, the zope stuff should Just Work08:57
Hobbseeokay :)08:57
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ajmitchexcept for a few that need updated08:57
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zakameheya ivoks08:59
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ivokshey08:59
ajmitchsome people just don't look before filing bugs, I guess09:00
ivoksanyone with atheros wifi card? :)09:00
ajmitchor malone doesn't show them where to look09:00
Hobbseeseeing as the search is usually borked, i can understand that09:00
ivoksmalone has very confusing search :/09:00
tritiumajmitch: malone is confusing09:00
ajmitchivoks: and broken at the moment09:01
ajmitchit is rather frustrating to use09:01
ajmitchivoks: I used to have an atheros card :)09:01
=== TheMuso seconds that.
Hobbseeknow anything about ewb?  it doenst seem to exist in breezy or dapper09:01
ivoksajmitch: heh... that doesn't help :)09:01
Hobbseedoesnt seem to have ever existed, but is listed as a dep in some of the packages09:01
ajmitchHobbsee: nope, I looked at it briefly, I think those others were pulled in from some random crackful place09:02
ivoksi think some bugs are fixed in wifi-radar, so would try to test that on atheros cards...09:02
ajmitchivoks: it was in my laptop bag in montreal ;)09:02
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ivoksand your bag never returned from montreal? :)09:03
ajmitchcorrect09:03
ajmitchit disappeared while I was at the hotel09:03
Hobbseeajmitch: looks very cracked and random - one of the other deps doesnt exist either09:03
ajmitchHobbsee: lots of the ewb stuff is broken09:04
ivoks:/09:04
Hobbseeso i'm seeing.  broken as in, fixable, or broken as in, avoid unless you have very great protection and programming skills?09:04
ajmitchHobbsee: or broken as in take a flamethrower to the lot & cut the rest up for scrap09:05
Hobbseehehe right09:05
ivoksi hate when i have to write documentation for program i never used :/09:06
Hobbseeooh, these look like some that i can fix!09:07
ajmitchwhich ones?09:07
Hobbseexlibs ones09:07
ajmitchah right09:07
TheMusoWhats the easiest way to change the sources.list file in a pbuilder base.tgz?09:07
TheMusoOther than opening it an tarring it back up again09:07
TheMusoOr is that the only way?09:07
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ajmitchpbuilder login --save-after-login09:08
TheMusoah ok.09:08
=== ajmitch is idiot
ajmitchstupid mistake in debian/rules09:09
ajmitchsomeone should kick me now :)09:09
ivoksajmitch: don't be so hard on your self09:09
ajmitchivoks: oh no, I deserve it09:10
ivoksok, tell us what was that mistake09:10
ajmitchmissing $(CURDIR)/debian/f-spot09:12
ajmitchbad, stupid mistake09:12
ajmitchdoing mv /usr/libexec/gnome-screensaver/f-spot.screensaver /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/09:12
ajmitchnot healthy in debian/rules :)09:12
ivoks:)09:12
ivoksi did that once, too09:13
zakameajmitch: awww *patpat*09:13
TheMusoouch09:13
ivoksso, either we are all idiots or is common mistake :)09:13
ajmitchivoks: I should know better ;)09:13
ivoksf-spot screensaver?09:14
ajmitchyes09:14
ivoksin wich process we lost KISS philosophy? :)09:14
ajmitchuse photo collection for gnome screensaver09:14
Hobbseeack, this is confusing!09:19
ajmitchok, 1 of 3 f-spot tasks down before upload09:19
Hobbseeajmitch09:20
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ajmitchHobbsee09:20
Hobbseeajmitch: i hate to be a pain, but why do i get this?  http://pastebin.com/62649909:20
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Hobbseewhere am i supposed to find the file that it's asking for?09:21
Hobbseedarn enter key is getting in the way again :P09:21
Hobbseeseeing as it doesnt seem to be anywhere in the debian folder, or in the subdir up from that09:21
ajmitchbecause the directory or file is missing, and it looks like one that should have been installed by make install or whatever the realplayer build system uses?09:21
ajmitchhard to fix proprietary junk like that09:22
Hobbseeso where abouts *should* it be if the package was workign correctly?  source dir, right?09:22
ajmitchdepends, sometimes it's created at build time09:22
Hobbseeright09:23
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ajmitch bzr branch http://192.168.2.20/debuild/mono/f-spot-0.1.11/debian09:26
ajmitchjust branch packaging off the laptop onto my main box09:26
ivoksahm...09:26
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ivokshylafax-server needs fixing :/09:26
ivoksi can do that...09:26
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ivoksit needs 'sleep 2' beetween stop and start in restart function of init script09:27
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=== Hobbsee is beginning to hate packages that have disappeared from dapper without a trace, and with no explanation of where they've gone, or why they've been rejected.
ajmitchpbuilder tarball needs updated again09:28
ajmitchHobbsee: such as?09:28
Hobbseenonlock09:28
ajmitchwas it ever in ubuntu?09:29
Hobbseehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=nonlock09:29
Hobbseeoh yes, warty, hoary, breezy, but no dapper.09:29
ajmitchremoved from debian09:29
ErlangI was gonna say that...09:30
Hobbseeah.09:30
Erlangonly stable still carries it.09:30
=== Hobbsee thougth she saw it listed with unstable too...
ajmitch------------------ Reason -------------------09:30
ajmitchRoQA; unused, old, upstream dead, alternatives available09:30
ajmitchfrom the debian removals list09:30
Hobbseefair enough09:30
Hobbseehttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nonlock&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all09:30
ErlangHobbsee: It's from kfreebsd.09:31
Hobbseeshows it, which i thought was odd - but not from source09:31
ivokswhen did upstream die? :)09:33
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ajmitchok, f-spot builds just a *little* faster on this box of mine :)09:35
Hobbseegot no idea09:35
ajmitchlast upload to debian was 200109:35
ajmitchof nonlock09:35
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ajmitchsigh, 30 seconds instead of > 5 minutes09:36
Gloubiboulgais ubuntu really concerned with bugs like malone 3688109:39
UbugtuMalone bug 36881 in tango-icon-theme "Does not install properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3688109:39
Gloubiboulga?09:39
ajmitchwhy would ubuntu not be concerned? :)09:39
ajmitchah I see, installed from source, broke his system, etc09:39
Gloubiboulgayep09:39
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ajmitchheh09:41
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TheMusoargh. I can't work out why sear doesn't find its damn libs. Probably because one or two of them have had a major version change. :S09:43
TheMusoEven though build-deps are now satisfied.09:43
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siretartGloubiboulga: I updated bug 36881 now09:44
UbugtuMalone bug 36881 in tango-icon-theme "Don't get confused about empty /usr/local/share/icons/Tango" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3688109:44
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Gloubiboulgasiretart, thanks09:45
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TheMusoSome advice here guys.10:00
TheMusoThe package sear doesn't like updated build-deps to suit ubuntu, and the sid version has a new upstream release as well as updated build-deps. The problem is, the build-deps are also newer than what is in Ubuntu. So where do I go from here?10:00
ajmitchand what are the build deps that are broken?10:01
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ajmitchsince looking at the changelog, if we grabbed the new sear from sid, we'd have to update other libraries10:03
ajmitchhello Seveas10:03
Seveashi10:03
TheMusolibatlas-cpp-0.5c2, libcal3d10c2, liberis-1.2c2 (>= 1.2.0), libmercator-0.2-1c2 (>= 0.2.1), libsage-0.1 I think.10:03
TheMusoajmitch: I am well aware of that.10:03
siretartiirc the dependencies are only used by sear10:08
siretartif thats right, I wouldn't mind updating them as well10:08
TheMusoChecking the various reverse-depends for those libs seems to confirm that. The worldforge server is the only other package set that depends on those libs.10:11
=== ajmitch hopefully (finally) has an updated f-spot
ajmitchso I can stop slacking & get onto my other bugs10:11
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TheMusoSo where does this stand in terms of UVF etc?10:16
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siretartTheMuso: worldforge is closely related to sear. I wouldn't be surprised it this would have to go 'in sync'10:20
Lathiatsear needs to be synced10:20
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Lathiatit deps on old libs10:20
Lathiatand wont compile with the new ones10:20
Lathiatits universe and nothign depends on it i dont see it a problem to sync it10:20
TheMusoRighto.10:20
siretartcould someone please write a detailed report, which needs to be updated along with sear, and which packages are affected exactly by this update?10:21
Lathiatthe other packages have already been updated10:21
Lathiatwhich is why it doesnt compile now10:21
Lathiatjust new sear shoudl do the trick10:21
Lathiator did when i looked at it a couple weeks ago10:21
siretartI think we should be very clear what we are actually about to update and what potentially could get broken because of that10:21
TheMusoLathiat: There is one package that also needs updating from debian.10:21
TheMusoliberis-1.3 needs updating as well.10:22
TheMusoI think10:22
Lathiatah ok10:23
zakameajmitch: rock on10:24
ajmitchzakame: ?10:25
zakameajmitch: your zope-* coming from motumergers10:26
ajmitchhaha10:26
ajmitchyeah, I looked at my subscribed bugs list & decided to cleanup all those I did way back then10:27
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=== Mongoose is away: /_\ zzZzZZZZzz
zakameyeah waay back =)10:30
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ajmitchhey dholbach10:35
dholbachhey ajmitch10:35
ajmitchdholbach: do you usually just use upstream's NEWS file for debian/changelog?10:36
dholbachmostly, yes10:36
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ajmitchright10:36
=== ajmitch just has to cleanup this one :)
ajmitcha few too many acronyms like bgo, b.x.c :)10:37
dholbachyeah, i usually drop those10:38
zakamehello dholbach :)10:39
dholbachhi zakame10:39
ajmitchbugs are evil!10:40
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TheMusoHey dholbach.10:40
dholbachajmitch: hehe10:40
dholbachhi TheMuso10:40
Gloubiboulgadholbach, hi, is there a log of yesterday's meeting somewhere ?10:41
dholbachi'm going to write the minutes but there are logs yes10:41
ajmitchyep10:41
dholbachhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~bbione10:41
sivangmorning all10:41
dholbachhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione10:41
Gloubiboulgathanks :)10:41
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/BugSquadTeam_2006-03-2710:41
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lucashey all10:45
ajmitchhi lucas10:46
zakameheya lucas10:47
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lucasdholbach: hi11:08
ajmitchmalone hates me11:08
dholbachhi lucas11:08
lucasI'm looking at mldonkey. there's a new version in debian (2.7.3). you patched 2.7.1-2ubuntu1.11:09
lucasI don't understand the rationale behind the "/var/run/mldonkey" => "/var/run" change11:09
lucascould you explain when you have time ?11:09
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siretartlucas: sure11:18
siretartlucas: /var/run is nowadays on tmpfs, that means that /var/run/mldonkey needs to be created in the init script, since it will get deleted every reboot11:19
lucasmmh, and on debian, it isn't on tmpfs ?11:19
siretartlucas: I tried to merge the new version, but I failed because of obscure syntax errors in the generated mldonkey configuration files11:19
siretartlucas: no, this is a new development in ubuntu. but there are people in debian advocating this as well. currently, this isn't in debian yet11:20
lucasok11:20
lucasthank you11:20
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raphinkhehe11:26
Tm_Tmeh11:28
Tm_Traphink: is it bad idea to check kopete package things from kdenetwork package?11:28
Tm_Tlike manpages and such11:28
siretartlucas: I can show you my mldonkey_2.7.3-2ubuntu1 merge, but I couldn't install it because of that configuration file errors11:29
raphinkTm_T: I don't get what you mean11:29
siretartlucas: if you could fix this, that would safe me a lot of headaches, and make many many ubuntu users loving mldonkey happy ;)11:29
Tm_Traphink: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/62534111:30
Tm_Traphink: first raw package has nice lintian output11:30
lucassiretart: I'm really not a ocaml expert :-)11:30
lucassiretart: you could ask sylvain le gall (debian maintainer)11:30
lucashe is usually quite friendly11:30
raphinkTm_T: sure you cna get the manpages from the kdenetwork package11:30
raphinkyou can ignore the library stuff11:31
Tm_Traphink: aye11:31
siretartlucas: does he irc?11:31
lucasI don't think so11:31
raphinkTm_T: fix this though :11:31
raphinkW: kopete: extended-description-line-too-long11:31
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Tm_Traphink: oh, have to11:31
Tm_Traphink: also I think I doublecheck dependency part in control file11:32
siretartlucas: I filed debian bug #354701 about this. no answer up to now11:32
UbugtuDebian bug 354701 in mldonkey "Subject: Please support /var/run and /var/lock on tmpfs" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/35470111:32
Tm_Traphink: otherwise seems fine?11:32
raphinkTm_T: well the libraries errors can be safely ignored11:33
raphinkso it's ok11:33
Tm_Tthanks11:33
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Tm_Traphink: who knows about kubuntu's current kopete default settings?11:36
Tm_Tthere's one "secret setting" I like to bring up11:36
Tm_Teaster egg <311:36
raphinkTonio_ knows about most default settings in Daper11:36
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raphinkwhat is that Tm_T?11:36
Tm_Tok, I'll bother him, thanks sir11:36
Tm_Traphink: about Kopete chat window tabs, "always show tabs"11:37
Tm_Tso show tab bar even there's just one tab open11:37
Tm_Tthere's no gui settings for it, yet11:37
raphinkindeed11:37
Tm_TI prolly do one to myself11:38
raphinkwe have it for konqui, konsole and others11:38
raphinkwe should have it for kopete too11:38
Tm_TI think so too11:38
raphinkhow do you set that?11:38
Tm_Tone line to kopeterc11:38
Tm_Tin group "ChatWindowSettings"11:38
raphinklet me see11:39
Tm_TAlwaysShowTabs=true11:39
Tm_Tand restart kopete, you'll see the difference11:39
raphinkwait a min11:39
Tm_TI can now use kopete without status bar and thus making it more simple and yet efficient11:39
raphinkthat'll be very fast to set in k-d-s11:40
Tm_Tyeah11:41
raphinkI'll try and fix speedcrunch default style etoo11:41
Tm_Tmaybe discussion to next kubuntu-meeting?11:41
raphinkno need imo11:41
Tm_Tok11:41
Tm_Tjust pushing it in then ;)11:41
raphinkwe want apps to be logical11:41
Tm_Ttrue11:41
Tm_TI'll contact to tonio about this baby, thanks11:41
raphinkwe moved move tabs to the bottom to have it logical11:41
raphinkTm_T: I'll do it don't worry11:42
Tm_Tgah!11:42
raphinkwell I'll call him to confirm ;)11:42
raphinkbut I'm pretty sure he'll be ok with it11:42
Tm_Tand just when I thought I have something fun =)11:42
Tm_Tyeah11:42
Tm_Tnow some fresh air in snowy spring weather ->11:43
raphinkI'll have to deal with k-d-s in 4 days anyway11:43
siretartlucas: strange. now the merge seems to work for me11:50
siretartlucas: would you like to test the package fo rme?11:51
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lucassiretart: I'm not using it12:09
kelmo_laphi siretart12:10
siretartok. I sent a patch for review to sylvain. lets see if he answers at all12:10
siretarthi kelmo_lap!12:10
kelmo_lapsiretart, i have thought about the dhclient issue, that it does not wait for a result before the next ifupdown hook is executed12:11
siretartkelmo_lap: I'm not sure if you already noticed, in order to unbreak the mess in dapper, I've ported the packaging of our experimental branch to trunk/ and uploaded that to dapper12:11
kelmo_lapwhen using an action script12:11
kelmo_lapno, have not noticed, but thatnks for the heads up12:11
siretartkelmo_lap: keybuk seems to be on holiday until tomorrow, and I wanted to have wpasupplicant ready for main asap12:12
kelmo_lapsiretart, i would like to add a timeout when using an action script, and have the action script keep a "state" file, that contains its connection status12:12
kelmo_lapso the loop waits for a connection status, then moves on, or it times out12:13
kelmo_lapthat way the next ifupdown hooks would have expected behaviour12:13
siretartkelmo_lap: whats the problem in marking the interface as 'dhcp' instead of 'manual'?12:13
kelmo_lapi really really believe that is not correct12:14
kelmo_laplook at the dhclient.pid created by ifupdown12:14
kelmo_lapthe action script will get confused, or never even start on connection events12:14
kelmo_lapjust like you observed12:14
kelmo_lapbut this is just cream on the cake, something to think about12:15
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zakamehi all12:24
kelmo_lapsiretart, funny looking changelog for the dapper upload ; )12:27
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kelmo_lapsiretart, but i hope it works out, looks good to me12:28
zakameooh what mail?12:29
ograzakame, the one from this morning ...12:30
zakameoh12:30
ogranot a recent one :)12:30
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kelmo_lapsiretart, ah, there is a typo in the preinst script12:34
kelmo_lapit needs fixing12:35
kelmo_lapyou cheated by just making it $1, so it does not affect trunk12:36
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beezlyI packaged up music-applet (spotted it after it was mentioned on Planet GNOME) - is there anything more I can do with it?12:48
beezlyit's at www.cs1ajb.staff.shef.ac.uk/ubuntu12:48
beezly(only built for amd64 at the moment)12:48
Toadstoolhi here12:49
beezlyhi To12:49
beezlyargh12:49
beezlyToadstool :)12:49
Toadstool:)12:49
beezlymy IRC laziness is getting worse - I keep trying to TAB english :)12:49
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siretartkelmo_lap: I think i fixed that typo in both branches, I did notice $CONFFILE vs. $CONFILE afterwards :/01:17
siretartogra: thanks. I think a mail like this was needed badly. I hope I didn't violate the CoC to bad01:17
kelmo_lapsiretart, yep, its no real problem at all, i was alarmed and spoke before investigating01:18
ograsiretart, not at all01:18
ogra:)01:18
siretart:)01:19
ograi think Seveas should drink a cup of jasmin tea before each mail he sends to this thread ;)01:19
siretartogra: btw, he does in fact use apt-key add to add keys to the keyring, but in a quite crackful way01:20
ograyes, i saw your mail after i sent mine ...01:20
ajmitchsiretart: your mail was good :)01:21
siretart        gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B501:21
siretart        gpg --export --armor 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -01:21
ograheh01:21
siretartajmitch: I hope he replys to this in a reasonable way. but I don't have any expectations01:22
siretartbtw, mc is great for reviewing binary .deb packages. :)01:22
ajmitchhehe01:22
ajmitchdpkg-deb is useful also01:22
siretarteven better is this one:01:22
siretart        wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg01:22
siretart        sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg01:22
siretartso, as soon as Riddell relocates his key, automatix will break ;)01:23
ajmitchdo it! do it!01:23
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siretartkelmo_lap: how long do you think we should wait for kyle?01:26
kelmo_lapsiretart, i suggest, that you could send a mail, acknowledging that he is extremely busy, and to not bother him that we would arrange an alternative uploader, say 48 hours after the time that the mail is sent01:28
kelmo_lapie, let him know that we can get someone else after some time, if he is too busy01:28
kelmo_lapno response in a day or two, we go to plan b, he may ask us to find someone else, or he may even just do it01:29
siretartok. will do that tomorrow then.01:29
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siretartkelmo_lap: I have this packages tested by my usual sponsor, and he was quite happy with it :)01:30
kelmo_lapbut i don't wanna cut him out, i'm glad just to be able to work on it, and am in no rush at all01:30
siretartright. of course01:30
kelmo_lapsiretart, thats great!01:30
siretarthe told us before that he was very busy, so no need to harass him01:30
kelmo_lapyep, but best no create an even more infuratin situation, where we have made alternative arrangements, and he bothers to take time out of his business to make an upload, only to find it was already done . . .01:31
kelmo_lapinfuriating*01:32
siretartright01:33
kelmo_lapone of us should really do something about becoming an nm or so . . .01:34
ajmitchsiretart is in the NM queue :)01:35
kelmo_lapah, good01:35
kelmo_lapglad to hear that01:35
kelmo_lapsiretart, you have already taken a snapshot of the experimental branch to make the upload to debian too? (with the preinst typo fixed)01:36
siretartkelmo_lap: yes, I've silently replaced/repackaged and resigned the upload candidate01:37
beezlyi added an i386 build of music-applet to my repository but I've noticed that the diff.gz is quite large and has a lot of stuff like config.sub in - is that normal? am I doing something wrong?01:37
siretartyes, I'm currently waiting for FD to assign me an AM01:37
kelmo_lapsiretart, many thanks01:37
beezlyhttp://www.cs1ajb.staff.shef.ac.uk/ubuntu/01:37
kelmo_lapwe can begin somemore changes in that branch then, without fear they may not be right at all times01:37
siretartyou mean in trunk, yes?01:38
kelmo_lapis that what you'd like? work only in trunk now?01:38
TheMusoCan anybody explain why a particular package is not in the ubuntu archive, yet launchpad reports it as being available?01:41
siretartI'd say yes01:41
siretartwe wanted to focus on docuemtation01:41
TheMusobah thats why.01:42
TheMusoNever mind.01:42
kelmo_lapsiretart, okay, just making sure we are in full understanding of eachother01:43
siretartbeezly: for the config.{sub,guess} issue, please make sure to read and understand /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian01:43
siretartkelmo_lap: :)01:43
kelmo_lapi will work in trunk01:43
siretartokay01:43
kelmo_lapwill have time this weekend to hit it hard01:44
beezlysiretart: thanks01:44
kelmo_lapuntil then, i may not be able to work much on it01:44
siretartkelmo_lap: what is the corrent /e/n/i stanze for the option 'scan_ssid=1'?01:47
kelmo_lapany native wpa_supplicant option, prefixed with "wpa-"01:47
siretart  wpa-scan-ssid 101:47
siretartok01:47
kelmo_laptake a look at the verbosity printouts01:48
kelmo_lapi wrote every available option there01:48
siretartyepp. I'm adding an example to READE.Debian for hidden ssids01:48
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kelmo_lapas it would be written in the interfaces file01:48
kelmo_lapcool01:48
kelmo_lapi am even thinking of something similar to hostapd01:49
kelmo_lapifupdown, rather than the init system01:49
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kelmo_lapthe init method is just two restrictive01:50
kelmo_lapwhat if you want a two card/ssid access point, both using hostpd concurrently, i don't think that is possible via init script01:51
kelmo_laphostapd*01:51
siretartfor hostapd, I could even image to have the user to remove the interface from /e/n/i, and handle all interface handling be seperate scripts/means01:51
siretartthis includes bailing out if the interface IS managed by ifupdown. but this may also be too intrusive01:52
kelmo_laphmm, i would want it to be defined in ifupdown, really, thats where the flexibility comes from01:53
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kelmo_lapso currently, i am associated to two access points, spawning two wpa_supplicant daemons, via ifupdown, both ipw2200 and madwifi-ng01:55
siretarthm. I see.01:55
ajmitchworking without any trouble?01:55
kelmo_lapassociated != have two ip leases01:55
kelmo_laponly one interface has asked for an ip, at this time01:56
kelmo_lapbut the fact i can use my in built ipw2200, or cradbus madwifi card, without editing stuff for each time, is nice01:56
kelmo_lapcardbus*01:57
kelmo_lapwhere, previously, the interface was defined in /etc/default/wpasupplicant01:57
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ajmitchwb Hobbsee (if you stay) :)01:59
Hobbseehey ajmitch02:00
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Tm_THobbsee: =)02:00
TheMusoAha! Found a package that FTBS with no bug reports! Will file a bug, but is it quicker just to attach a debdiff, or upload to revu?02:09
YagisanTheMuso: probably debdiff02:10
TheMusoThats what I was thinking.02:10
Hobbseeajmitch: what do i do if i've fixed a package, which needed a changed build dep, and there's no listing of the package in malone?02:22
Hobbseeajmitch: pretty hard to send a debdiff to a non-existant place...02:23
ajmitchHobbsee: what's the package?02:25
Hobbseeajmitch: libwarped0-dev02:25
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/warped/+filebug02:25
TheMusoHobbsee: Howd you manage to fix hat? I looked at that earlier, and it failed to build for me.02:25
StevenKHobbsee: Malone is by source package02:25
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TheMusoEven with deps fixed up.02:26
Hobbseeah...02:26
HobbseeTheMuso: checking now, butit seems to be building...02:26
Hobbseei cancelled in the middle of make, when i remembered not editing the changelog02:26
TheMusoIt took a while for me too. It seems to have problems linking, or it did for me anyway.02:27
TheMusoIf any MOTU has a minute, they might be quickly able to get the fix uploaded for Malone #36994.02:27
TheMusoI can then move onto silky with an unmet dep, which I started to look at in the first place.02:28
ajmitchTheMuso: you didn't select patch when attaching the debdiff02:29
ajmitchlaunchpad mangled it into an ugly mess02:29
TheMusogah!02:29
TheMusoWill re-upload.02:29
TheMusoajmitch: That should be better now.02:31
ajmitchTheMuso: did you really need to have a debdiff full of config.sub & config.guess mess? :)02:31
TheMusoajmitch: That was already in the package diff.02:31
TheMusoFor the source I got from a.u.c.02:32
ajmitchbut your debdiff was against that source package, hence your build added it in02:32
TheMusoOk, so what needs to be done to prevent that?02:32
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ajmitcheither removing it from the debdiff, or fixing debian/rules :)02:33
HobbseeTheMuso: mm...yeah...you're right...02:33
TheMusoajmitch: Ok I will try and remove it from the rules file.02:35
TheMusonot remove, make sure it doesn't get included.02:35
Toadstoolheya, anyone who wants to review and upload the debdiff attached to bug 34409 ? :)02:53
ToadstoolUbugtu's not here... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lprng/+bug/3440902:54
TheMusoOk, third times the charm, hopefully. There were Makefile contents in the original diff, I am not sure if they can be changed, but anyway if removal is desired, please let me know. Malone #        test -r /usr/share/misc/config.guess && \02:57
TheMuso          ln -sf /usr/share/misc/config.guess02:57
TheMuso        test -r /usr/share/misc/config.sub && \02:57
TheMusosorry, wrong copy/paste.02:57
TheMusohttps://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3699402:57
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ToadstoolTheMuso: I wonder why there is the config.log and the Makefile in your debdiff when according to the changelog entry you just patched debian/rules03:04
TheMusoToadstool: I really don't know. How this package got into Debian in a similar state I don't know.03:05
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Toadstool:)03:05
TheMusoargh!03:06
TheMusoNot in original.03:06
TheMusoAnother file I need to remove when cleaning up.03:06
TheMusoI am not having a good night.03:06
Toadstoolgood luck with your modifications ;)03:07
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GloubiboulgaTheMuso, raphink's revu-tools is really usefull to check that kind of issues03:07
TheMusoToadstool: I think it will be right. This time I will be going through with a fine tooth come.03:07
TheMusoGloubiboulga: Where can I find more info?03:07
Gloubiboulgathe packages are on the repos03:08
Gloubiboulgaand I guess the man pages will help :)03:08
TheMusoOk cheers.03:08
TheMusoDO they have enough depenndancies?03:08
TheMuso:)03:08
TheMusoGloubiboulga: Thanks.03:09
TheMusoSorta used to doing it all by hand.03:09
TheMusoMust be tired, even though I don't feel it. :S03:09
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TheMusoHey mhz.03:11
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on fixing bugs, malone is full of them.
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Seveas at Tue Mar 21 16:53:55 2006
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Tm_Traphink: moin05:53
raphinkmoinmoin05:53
Tm_TAGH!05:54
Tm_Tforgot to clean kopete dir before build package...05:54
Tm_Twhoooops05:54
Tm_Traphink: deockbook file included05:55
Tm_Tdoc05:55
raphinkgreat :)05:55
raphinkgood job Tm_T05:55
Tm_Thmm, my package doesn't get gpg sign05:55
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raphinkTm_T: are you sure of the name and address you've put in the changelog?05:55
Tm_Tyes05:56
raphinkif you need, you can force signing using the -k switch with debuild05:56
Tm_Tdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k<keyid> ?05:56
zakameenough triaging for the night, gn8 all! :D05:56
Tm_Tzakame: night :)05:56
raphinkgtg05:57
zakamethanks Tm_T05:57
Tm_Tnp05:57
Tm_Theh, cleaning more package and signing it06:00
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KyralWhoops06:18
KyralI think I turned a bunch of people in #ubuntu into HURD freaks....06:18
bddebianw000t06:19
bddebianGood job Kyral :-)06:19
Kyrallol06:19
Kyralthey are all talking about getting Ubuntu working on it06:19
=== bddebian better get to work on UbuntuGNU :-)
azeemuhm, they start flowing in06:20
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bddebianErr UbuntGNU :-)06:20
Kyralazeem: huh?06:20
azeemto #hurd I mean06:20
Kyralis that bad?06:20
azeemno, I just noticed :)06:20
KyralI mean a fresh infusion of blood into the project would be nice right?06:20
KyralEven if they are complete newbies06:20
bddebianKyral: If they are developers yes :-)06:21
azeemyeah, Barry can train them06:21
bddebianheh06:21
Kyralwho?06:21
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bddebian<-- Barry06:21
Kyralah06:21
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bddebianpfft06:21
Kyraljoking :P06:21
Kyraloy, one of them is gonna try for it NOW06:22
bddebianKyral: ?06:23
Kyral<christhemonkey> going to go now an try to get an ubuntu HURD box going :D06:23
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KyralI just mentioned it06:24
Kyralthat it was different06:24
azeemheh06:24
Kyralehhe06:24
Kyraloh well, its what got me into Linux06:24
Kyralit wa different06:24
KyralI didn't know shit about it06:24
Kyralbut it was different and I was curious :P06:24
bddebianThat's OK, I've been playing with it for years and I still don't know shit about it ;-P06:24
Kyralfrankly thats the best way06:25
Kyralbddebian: do you run HURD as production?06:25
bddebianHeh, no06:25
KyralDual Boot?06:26
bddebianBut I do have 5 Hurd boxen :-)06:26
KyralQemu Image?06:26
Kyralah06:26
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Kyralport Xen to HURD lol06:26
bddebianpfft06:26
Kyralwhat?06:26
bddebianpiss on Xen :-)06:27
Kyralwhy06:27
bddebianBecause I don't know anything about it. :-)06:28
Kyrallol06:28
Kyralmore the reason to learn about it :P06:28
KyralIts a really amazing technology06:29
Kyrallook at azuredreams.us/munin06:29
Kyral(my monitoring panel for my domain)06:29
KyralYou will notice 3 machines there right?06:29
Kyraland if you examine the graphs for them06:30
Kyralthey appear to be 3 machines06:30
Kyralhowver06:30
bddebianYep06:30
Kyralwhat if I told you06:30
Kyralthat they are all on one physical machine?06:31
Kyralthe "true" OS is xen.azuredreams.us06:31
truz24from bash, how can i delete files based on created or modified date?06:31
Kyralmail and www are Debian XenGuests06:31
truz24under a certain directory, i want to delete all files created in 200506:31
Kyralthe power of paravirtualization :D06:32
bddebianKyral: Cool06:33
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bddebianKyral: You did tell "them" that there is no Ubuntu Hurd?06:44
Kyralbddebian: yah....06:44
bddebian:-)06:44
KyralI mean I told them it hasn't been done....06:44
Kyralmaybe I shouldn't have said "it could be fun to try"06:44
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KyralI mean my philosopy is (with Linux) that if you don't know if it will work, try it06:45
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bddebianHeya LaserJock07:34
LaserJockhi bddebian07:36
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LaserJockhi trappist08:22
trappistI'm messing with a package where dpkg-buildpackage makes a .udeb.  how do I make a real package out of that so I can test my changes?08:23
trappistheya LaserJock08:23
Tm_Tmoin08:25
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Tm_Traphink: what's next?08:29
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LaserJocktrappist: I really don't know anything about .udebs :/08:29
Yagisanmorning motu's, anyone recommend a nice graphical svn client ?08:29
highvoltageesvn is highly recommended08:30
tsengapt-cache says: rapidsvn - A GUI client for subversion08:30
LaserJockYagisan: I only use graphical in Windows08:30
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YagisanI just tried svn-workbench, but it, well dies on checkout08:32
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Yagisanthanks guys :)08:33
Yagisanmy poor system. tv capture, gcc compile, and a 2GB rsync went off at the same time.08:36
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uglewis it unadviceable that i upgrade from kde 3.5.0 to kde 3.5.2?08:45
uglew*dvise08:45
hubI think they expect feedback :-)08:45
hubso if you run dapper, it can not be worth than some upgrades during the development cycle08:45
hub(I reinstalled my desktop twice...)08:46
uglewhub: is it terribly unstable?08:47
uglewhub: no, forgot to mention it: breezy08:47
uglewIN BREEZY, is it unadviceable that i upgrade from kde 3.5.0 to kde 3.5.2?08:47
Yagisanuglew: well, for starters, it not in breezy is it08:48
uglewYagisan: "An update to the popular KDE desktop, version 3.5.2, is now available for Kubuntu (Breezy Badger and Dapper Drake) (...)" -- taken from DistroWatch.08:49
Yagisanuglew: my breezy box only has kde 3.4.308:49
uglewYagisan: my breezy is 3.5.0 anyway08:50
Yagisanuglew: doesn't look supported to me. and I updated 15 minutes ago08:50
uglewYagisan: 3.5.2?08:50
hubuglew: I haven't tried it, but I'd guess it is quite stable. it is for Dapper users08:50
Yagisanuglew: only offical repos in your sources.list ?08:50
uglewYagisan: something like that, why?08:50
hubuglew: http://www.raphink.info/testing-kde-352-in-dapper08:51
hubuglew: dapper08:51
uglewhub: i need info for breezy08:51
hubuglew: I think you can try to s/dapper/breezy/ in the information given08:52
hubI don't run breezy, so I haven't even tried08:52
uglewthank you08:52
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Yagisanuglew: that is not an official release. It appears to be a kubuntu.org release. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php08:54
Yagisanuglew: so it may well eat your system. Good news is, it won't be our fault.08:54
uglewYagisan: what is the difference between kubuntu.org and official??08:54
hubYagisan: on the other hand, it is made by the official maintainer that want feedback before requesting a UVF08:55
Yagisanuglew: they rebuilt the dapper packages for you to use in breezy08:55
hubagain it might eat children :-)08:55
Yagisanhub: yeah, but people like uglew that are worried they may break their system should stick to breezy for important systems08:56
Yagisanlike I do with my work computer08:56
uglewis it absolutely trivial to backport some apps from dapper to breezy? is it almost as trivial as.. recompiling?08:56
Yagisanuglew: some yes, others no08:56
crimsunslomo_: thanks for the quod libet merge08:56
slomo_crimsun: np :)08:57
uglewYagisan: of the 16 000 packages, what percentage would you think is as trivial as recompiling? say, 90%?08:57
Yagisanuglew: it is a case by case evaluation. Really. I have my own backports, and some of them were a pain in the arse08:58
Yagisanuglew: it gets ugly when package a, need b > y, and package c needs b < y08:58
uglewYagisan: i know, that's why i was asking for statistics. that was not a question of principle.08:59
uglewYagisan: i understand08:59
Yagisanuglew: it's hard to give you exact numbers. of my private backports, about 40% were just a recompile, 20% dependency change, 30% not-in-ubuntu-or-debian-yet and 10% better-be-worth-it09:01
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Yagisanuglew: and several of them broke other breezy apps09:01
uglewYagisan: i see. thanks a lot.09:01
Yagisanuglew: the new kde should be ok, but *you* are a tester by upgrading to it.09:02
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uglewYagisan: my using 3.5.0 doesn't make me a tester anyway? or is this an official release?09:03
Yagisanuglew: you are already a tester with that. As I said, 3.4.3 here09:03
Kyralhey guys09:04
hubuglew: it may not be trivial because of dependencies09:04
hubsomething like KDE is probably not trivial09:04
uglewright09:04
Yagisandefinitely not09:04
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Yagisanuglew: people that have already upgraded should be in #kubuntu09:08
Tm_Thmm09:09
Yagisanwhat's up Tm_T ?09:09
Tm_TI have no idea what I should do with this new Kopete package :p09:10
Tm_Toh well, maybe Riddell tells as soon as he share his attention;)09:14
Riddellhmm?09:14
Tm_TRiddell: yeah, what I do with kopete package now09:14
Tm_Tshould be polished enough09:15
Tm_Thttp://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/09:15
Tm_Tall there09:15
Tm_Tincluding current output of "lintian -i package.deb"09:15
RiddellTm_T: I could put them on kubuntu.org, but I don't really have time immediately09:16
Tm_TRiddell: np, hit me if you need anything related :)09:16
Tm_Tnow I feel I have done enough for one day. good night and thanks all of you :)09:18
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Kyralhllo09:26
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LaserJockhmm, do you have to have a "build" rule in debian/rules if you aren't building anything?09:46
ograi think there is something in the policy09:47
ograbut it works without in ubuntu ... i think its because the debian buildds fail if its not there or something ...09:48
LaserJockAt a minimum, required targets are the ones called by dpkg-buildpackage, namely, clean, binary, binary-arch, binary-indep, and build09:48
Kyralust put a touch or something in there09:52
Kyralhey LJ, do me a favor09:53
KyralI wanna test a Irssi script, but do to so I need to detach this screen09:53
LaserJockok09:54
KyralI'm gonna reattach in like 7 mins09:54
Kyralthe script should pick itt up and change my status to away during then09:54
LaserJockk09:54
Kyralwhen I come back tell me if it did?09:54
Kyralty :D09:54
LaserJockKyral: arggh, I have to go to a meeting09:59
LaserJockKyral: you are away now09:59
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Kyralhehe cool it worked10:09
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TheMusoHey all.10:26
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segfaultcan anyone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2217 ? it's just an updated version of an already uploaded package.10:44
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chillywillywhere is pstopdf or ps2pdf?11:38
ajmitch__gs-common: /usr/bin/ps2pdf11:38
Se7hhi all11:39
chillywillythanks ajmitch__11:39
chillywillyweird...maybe I was shelled into a different box.11:40
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