| LaserJock | ogra: I found the problem | 12:09 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: there is a wrapper script. I just isn't installed into the deb | 12:09 |
| ogra | gah | 12:10 |
| ogra | my mistake then | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | ogra: but there needs to be some symlinks (it expects everything in /usr/lib/squeak/ and we install in /usr/share/squeak/) | 12:11 |
| ogra | just change the script ? i dont think its upstream ... | 12:11 |
| ogra | my packages were based on some guadalinex sourcepackages ... | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | apparently the script is pretty popular | 12:13 |
| ogra | but why should we add unecessary symlinks ? | 12:15 |
| ogra | change the location of the target then ? | 12:15 |
| ogra | i.e. lets just install to /usr/lib ... | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | just a sec, I think the script is created by ./configure so I'm not entirely sure how to switch it | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | ogra: we could do that too | 12:16 |
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| ogra | if there is no policy violation through installing to /usr/lib ... (which i doubt) ... | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | ogra: initsqueak is created by ./configure so I think it would be better to symlink or change install targets | 12:29 |
| ogra | lets change targets then | 12:31 |
| ogra | there is no danger that we clash with debian any day before apple is broke | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | lol | 12:32 |
| ogra | and i think the upstream code didnt change since ages, did it ? | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | but now I got #squeak arguing about inisqueak so... | 12:33 |
| ogra | heh | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | see inisqueak is ok from CLI | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | but as far as putting something in the menu, it isn't so good | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | somebody over there has a little zenity script but I'm not sure if that is a great solution either | 12:35 |
| ogra | it needs to check if the user has a writable image ... if so, it should start the vm ... if not, it should create a default image ... | 12:35 |
| ogra | doesnt it do that ? | 12:35 |
| ogra | why should zenity be needed ? | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | it copies the default image to `pwd` if one isn't found | 12:36 |
| ogra | i dont see any need for user interaction ... | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | what would `pwd` be for a menu item? | 12:36 |
| ogra | and i dont see why we shouldnt be able to run it from a .desktop file | 12:36 |
| ogra | cd ~ && inisqueak ? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that was just what was suggested in #squeak | 12:37 |
| ogra | but i think you can make it a lot more elegant ... | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | is a .desktop file installed? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | I didn't see one offhand | 12:38 |
| ogra | iirc there is an option in the xdg spec for the working dir | 12:38 |
| ogra | it should at least be in the source | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, so here is what I'll do. I'll fix the targets to put .changes .image and .sources in /usr/lib/squeak and then make sure a .desktop is installed that runs inisqueak | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I think Path might work in the .desktop | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | I think I can also get rid of /etc/alternatives stuff in squeak-image since alternatives are essentially handles by inisqueak | 12:46 |
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| iGotNoTime | ogra are you here? | 01:29 |
| iGotNoTime | I just was at this page: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki and at the bottom it says.... | 01:30 |
| iGotNoTime | Edubuntu 5.10 ogra is the lead person | 01:30 |
| iGotNoTime | I feel so bad about asking for so much help from someone sooooo far ahead of what I could ever do with Linux, just wanted to say I appreciate the help you gave me and the time | 01:31 |
| ogra | thats been an old spec | 01:31 |
| iGotNoTime | just a thank you :) | 01:31 |
| ogra | i should just lead the development on it ... | 01:31 |
| ogra | :) | 01:31 |
| ogra | actually i didnt know that page still exists :) | 01:32 |
| iGotNoTime | yeah it was the main :D | 01:32 |
| ogra | it was the frontpage when we started and had a separate wiki | 01:32 |
| ogra | oh, its still linked as the frontpage from the website :) i didnt know that | 01:34 |
| iGotNoTime | honored you are :D | 01:35 |
| iGotNoTime | I have a suggestion... It took me forever to find how to add a "start-up program", maybe that could be in it's own menu dialogue rather than under sessions? | 01:37 |
| iGotNoTime | Unless you are looking to avoid the Windows feel :P | 01:38 |
| iGotNoTime | just a suggestion from a guy with XP still very fresh in his head :) | 01:38 |
| ogra | there is an easier way :) | 01:39 |
| ogra | just save your session ... | 01:39 |
| ogra | (alt-f2 and type gnome-session-save) | 01:39 |
| iGotNoTime | I am scared how much temp space it would take to do that :) | 01:40 |
| ogra | it will then start up whats currently running | 01:40 |
| ogra | none at all | 01:40 |
| iGotNoTime | I never reboot anyway, just a thought for those who do | 01:40 |
| iGotNoTime | that's very cool :) | 01:40 |
| ogra | it just saves a list of the currently running programs and their open files ... | 01:41 |
| ogra | and restores the session to match that list | 01:41 |
| iGotNoTime | I do actually save session on my laptop, but I have issues with it so I don't use now | 01:41 |
| iGotNoTime | the fan does not work with edubuntu LOL | 01:41 |
| iGotNoTime | I could cook eggs on it | 01:41 |
| ogra | whats that for a laptop ? | 01:42 |
| iGotNoTime | Averatec 3200 series | 01:42 |
| iGotNoTime | I think 3250 | 01:42 |
| ogra | amd64 ? | 01:42 |
| iGotNoTime | no big deal, I just run it for no more than 10 minutes these days because of it :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | or i386 | 01:42 |
| iGotNoTime | it is AMD but I don't know what chip | 01:43 |
| ogra | but its clearly a bug ... | 01:43 |
| iGotNoTime | could just be my brand | 01:43 |
| iGotNoTime | I am not blaming edubuntu :) | 01:43 |
| ogra | unless you have an amd64 and run the i386 version on it | 01:43 |
| ogra | blame edubuntu ... | 01:43 |
| iGotNoTime | edubuntu is too cute to blame for anything bad :D | 01:43 |
| ogra | its supposed to work and should be fixed :) | 01:44 |
| iGotNoTime | I had a nightmare experience with CentOS a couple weeks ago | 01:44 |
| iGotNoTime | completely crashed my bios | 01:44 |
| iGotNoTime | had to buy a new motherboard | 01:44 |
| ogra | how that ? | 01:44 |
| iGotNoTime | I don't know | 01:44 |
| iGotNoTime | I never would have thought a distro could do anything like that | 01:45 |
| iGotNoTime | I always had to flash my bios before | 01:45 |
| iGotNoTime | couldn't re-flash this one because bios is not public yet | 01:45 |
| iGotNoTime | so here it sits | 01:45 |
| iGotNoTime | they said in IRC they have seen it before | 01:45 |
| iGotNoTime | crazy | 01:46 |
| iGotNoTime | anyway I am back to the wiki :) | 01:46 |
| iGotNoTime | have a great night :) | 01:46 |
| ogra | night :) | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | ogra: ok, I actually found a shell script from Lex Spoon that does exactly what we want | 01:58 |
| ogra | cool | 01:58 |
| ogra | did you get my last messages before my line dropped ? | 01:58 |
| ogra | <ogra> iirc there is an option in the xdg spec for the working dir | 01:59 |
| ogra | <ogra> it should at least be in the source | 01:59 |
| ogra | <ogra> the .desktop file is in the linex dir in squeak-vm | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I found the .desktop | 01:59 |
| ogra | there is also an inisqueak (called just squeak) | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | but inisqueak is interactive so it put me in an infinite loop :-) | 01:59 |
| ogra | sadly its spanish ... | 02:00 |
| ogra | and my spanish is nonexistent :) | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | but this script I found really does the same thing but better, for now | 02:00 |
| ogra | yep | 02:00 |
| ogra | the linex one is pretty evil | 02:00 |
| ogra | ensuredir() | 02:01 |
| ogra | { | 02:01 |
| ogra | if [ ! -d "${1}" ] ; then | 02:01 |
| ogra | if mkdir "${1}" ; then | 02:01 |
| ogra | echo squeak: Creado ${1} | 02:01 |
| ogra | if [ -d $GNOME_DESKTOP ] ; then | 02:01 |
| ogra | cp /usr/share/applications/squeak.desktop $GNOME_DESKTOP/ | 02:01 |
| ogra | fi | 02:01 |
| ogra | else | 02:01 |
| ogra | echo squeak: <A1>No se ha podido crear ${1}! | 02:01 |
| ogra | fi | 02:01 |
| ogra | fi | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | the inisqueak script is good for installing multiple versions because it asks you which .image you want to install | 02:01 |
| ogra | } | 02:01 |
| ogra | it copies the .desktop file on your desktop if its not there yet ... | 02:01 |
| ogra | if you delete it and start suqeak, it will reappear | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | ok, so to make squeak working we can install this script to /usr/bin/squeak and have squeak-image | 02:03 |
| ogra | yep | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'll have it done shortly | 02:04 |
| iGotNoTime | I have a noob question.... some programs start in usr/bin/ and some start from usr/share/ | 02:19 |
| iGotNoTime | what's the difference? | 02:19 |
| iGotNoTime | For example Gdesklets is in /usr/bin/ yet Asterisk is in /usr/share/ | 02:21 |
| iGotNoTime | oops just double-checking I meant sbin not share :P | 02:22 |
| Sergi0 | /share are alot of stuf data for the programs, normaly the executable should be in /usr/bin | 02:23 |
| Sergi0 | sbin if system task, a normal user would need them, sudo or root does use them | 02:23 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 02:24 |
| Sergi0 | a normal user would not need them :P | 02:24 |
| Sergi0 | bad typo :) | 02:24 |
| iGotNoTime | so more like system utilities and such? | 02:24 |
| Sergi0 | yup | 02:24 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 02:25 |
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| JaneW | Here's a feature we DON'T need for Edubuntu http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2002/paperclip-p1.php | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.nongnu.org/pyscitrivia/howto.html | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, looks nifty | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | too bad it needs pygame | 09:49 |
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| vandenoever | hello, yesterday i posted a msg to the mailing list | 09:53 |
| vandenoever | it's awaiting moderation | 09:53 |
| vandenoever | does that usually take long? | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW: it might be smart to register edubuntu.com | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | oh, wait, nev mind | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: you awake? | 09:57 |
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| jamey2 | my college is interested in setting up an edubuntu/ubuntu network, can someone please advise me on a few things? | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | jamey2: shoot. I might be able to answer | 10:01 |
| jamey2 | thanks | 10:02 |
| jamey2 | ok, well our first worry is how the servers will work... how do multiple servers work together, and what sort of spec will we need? | 10:02 |
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| Burgundavia | jamey2: there are a number of ways, but I understand quite well. I am not the expert on this | 10:03 |
| jamey2 | i've been reading on the wikis, it seems they recommend a base of 256 mb + about 50 mb per client | 10:03 |
| jamey2 | but then other sites recommend varying amounts of RAM per client | 10:03 |
| jamey2 | what do you think? | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | edubunt is a little bit heavier than some other ltsp, from what I understand | 10:04 |
| jamey2 | ah ok, i see | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | I think our recommendation is 128 per client | 10:04 |
| jamey2 | woah | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | let me just find | 10:04 |
| jamey2 | right... that means 256 + (128 * 250)... 32256 mb | 10:05 |
| jamey2 | ok | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | ok, Edubuntu documentation is a mess | 10:06 |
| jamey2 | yeah it's a bit disorganized | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | jamey2: anyway, what other questions did you have? | 10:06 |
| jamey2 | how do the servers work together? | 10:06 |
| jamey2 | i've searched a while but can't find much on multiple servers under ltsp/*ubuntu | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | I believe it is possible, but to be honest, I am not certain how, nor can I point you at a doc | 10:08 |
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| jamey2 | ok thanks anyway | 10:08 |
| jamey2 | i do have another question: how do you find edubuntu for education in general? | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | good and getting better | 10:09 |
| jamey2 | great | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | the current stable release is first release, with a few kinks | 10:10 |
| jamey2 | brill | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | s/is/is a | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | our next stable release is on July 1st | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | this next release will be supported for 3 years | 10:10 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, we're not clear about that yet for edubuntu . | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: oh? | 10:11 |
| ogra | since we say server distros are supported 5 years | 10:11 |
| jamey2 | ah | 10:11 |
| ogra | and edubuntu defaults to a server install | 10:11 |
| jamey2 | ogra, do you have in idea about multiple server configs? | 10:11 |
| ogra | but its not a classic server | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | no | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | effectively, that would mean supporting gnome for 5 years | 10:12 |
| ogra | jamey2, you maen clustering like openmosix etc ? | 10:12 |
| jamey2 | um, not exactly | 10:12 |
| jamey2 | i've read on a few pages that you can simply have multiple ltsp/edubuntu servers which spread the load | 10:12 |
| ogra | just a bootserver and an appserver then ? | 10:12 |
| jamey2 | ah yeah | 10:12 |
| jamey2 | well i thought one would be the file server, the rest app servers or something? | 10:13 |
| ogra | we use simple ssh tunnels to forward the display, so every machine with a ssh server and some kind of desktop installed can be a server | 10:13 |
| ogra | you could then also split out the booting to a separate server (which likely makes no sense) | 10:14 |
| ogra | and add a nfs server with home dirs | 10:14 |
| jamey2 | i see | 10:14 |
| ogra | in principle you can split ltsp into one server per task if you really want that | 10:16 |
| ogra | for real clustering you should talk to neuralis, he experimented a lot with openssi | 10:17 |
| ogra | he's usually in #ltsp | 10:17 |
| jamey2 | i'm talking to him now :) | 10:17 |
| ogra | oh, i see | 10:17 |
| ogra | heh | 10:17 |
| jamey2 | sorry for sounding so naive, but what i meant is... | 10:18 |
| ogra | wasnt in that tab today yet :) | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: have we ever considered pygame? | 10:18 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, dont we ship it in the ubuntu default install already ? | 10:18 |
| jamey2 | we have a large college with 250 machines spread out over a large area but all on the same subnet. we want any student to be able to login from any terminal and get their home dir /apps | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: universe | 10:18 |
| ogra | ah | 10:19 |
| jamey2 | so would a nfs server with the home dirs work, and does edubuntu/ltsp deal with this config? | 10:19 |
| ogra | most likely nobody stepped up to support it for main yet ... | 10:19 |
| jamey2 | sorry for all the questions | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: it would mean pulling more of sdl in | 10:19 |
| ogra | not out of the box, you'll need some tweaking | 10:19 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, yep ... i doubt pitti would be happy | 10:20 |
| ogra | but it shouldnt be to hard to achieve that | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | jamey2: no questions means nobody is using edubuntu, so questions are good :) | 10:20 |
| ogra | (i.e. likely only an entry in the clients fstab) | 10:20 |
| ogra | since i'm currently the walking documentation for ubuntu ltsp (dont let me get hit by a bus) ... go and ask ;) | 10:21 |
| ogra | s/go/go on/ | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonEduLab <-- lets make pitti tear his hair out for dapper+1 :) | 10:22 |
| ogra | the title sounds suspicious like a jelkner thing ... | 10:23 |
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| Burgundavia | it is | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | ogra: does nexenta contain all the packages that ubuntu does | 10:24 |
| ogra | lol | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | ? | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: mostly | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | (hi, btw) | 10:24 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i'd guess so, yes | 10:24 |
| ogra | as far as they compile | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: would you be able to do a apt-get install edubuntu-desktop in nexenta? | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: don't know if they do the meta packages | 10:24 |
| ogra | highvoltage, you would if they did :) | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | ogra: what do you mean? | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | wxwidgets, pygame, sdl, where does the crack stop? | 10:25 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, ask jelkner :) | 10:25 |
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| highvoltage | Burgundavia: hollywood, baby | 10:25 |
| ogra | highvoltage, you would be able to install edubuntu on nexenta if they would build it | 10:26 |
| highvoltage | ok. | 10:26 |
| ogra | we'll have our own sparc port soon, then ltsp will work on sparc and we'll have edubuntu on sparc ... | 10:26 |
| ogra | (dapper+1) | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | is sparc going official for dapper+1? | 10:28 |
| ogra | i think so ... | 10:29 |
| ogra | but there is nothing final yet | 10:29 |
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| Burgundavia | I should be in Germany in July, so we can chat more then | 10:29 |
| ogra | i'm not sure if *i* am in germany in july ... | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | why not? | 10:33 |
| ogra | we'll pretty sure not have our conference her | 10:33 |
| ogra | e | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | oh | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | while silly people are kicking around a silly black and white ball? | 10:33 |
| ogra | soccer championship starts mid june | 10:33 |
| ogra | i rather hide from that :) | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | it is a real shame that schoolforge is basically dead | 10:35 |
| highvoltage | :( | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | as is seul/edu | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | in fact, I think the most active educational stuff in Linux has been centered around ltsp | 10:42 |
| spacey | mhz had some educational content ideas as well | 10:43 |
| spacey | but i didn't read anything about it after he proposed it | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | I wish I had more time in the day | 10:43 |
| spacey | yeah | 10:43 |
| spacey | or my lifespan would be longer | 10:44 |
| spacey | or need less sleep :P | 10:44 |
| spacey | no time !:P | 10:44 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: that's not a silly black and white ball :P | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | trying to hit a puck with a stick is much sillier :P | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | I was arguing about a silly b/w ball, nothing to do with another silly sport involving a puck | 10:50 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, schoolforge dead ? | 10:51 |
| ogra | what makes you think that ? | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: the app list is barely maintained and hideous | 10:52 |
| jsgotangco | well 3/4 of the world beg to differ on the b/w ball heh | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | only because it takes less equipment to play | 10:52 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, that might be true, but schoolforge itself was at least alive in january | 10:52 |
| ogra | (i met one of the guys at a conference) | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | which conference? | 10:53 |
| ogra | a thin from the EU | 10:53 |
| ogra | *thing | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.schoolforge.net/ <-- this schoolforge? | 10:53 |
| ogra | yes | 10:53 |
| JaneW | guys, we have been asked what text we would like on the edubuntu CD covers...? | 10:53 |
| ogra | oh, do we ? | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | :) | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | with a dragon yin yang tatoo | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | "this computer will cause your teacher to be happy. Use with caution" | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: what about updating the text that were on the old covers? | 10:54 |
| ogra | if anyone is fond of helping to test flight-6, its due for today | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | ohhh | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | should i grab an image? | 10:55 |
| highvoltage | kewl | 10:55 |
| ogra | yeah, grab it :) | 10:55 |
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| pips1 | ogra, there is http://www.schoolforge.net/ and http://schoolforge.org.uk/ . The latter is maintained by John Ingleby who we met in London :-) | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | shold i get the currend daily? | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | pips1: the former is still active, but appears to be US oriented | 10:56 |
| ogra | pips1, ahh, then i muddled them | 10:56 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, i meant .co.uk | 10:57 |
| pips1 | org.uk ;-) | 10:57 |
| ogra | err, yes | 10:57 |
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| ogra | do they also need their own namespace on the internt ? | 10:58 |
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| JaneW | we had this for the CDs before (unofficial) https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | well, good night. I need to sleep | 10:59 |
| ogra | night Burgundavia | 11:00 |
| ogra | JaneW, we should adjust that a bit, but i think its still fine | 11:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: I think so too | 11:01 |
| JaneW | ogra: think we should list some of the applications and uses? | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | night Burgundavia | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | probably the more obvious ones | 11:02 |
| ogra | JaneW, i woldnt ... the app selection slowly starts to differ between the arches due to our space problems | 11:03 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: there was another cd slip too, wasn't there? or was that Ubuntu | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i remember seeing a nice edubuntu one with a breezy badger on it | 11:05 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: no that was never official or accepted | 11:06 |
| JaneW | it was created by Sebastein Loss | 11:06 |
| JaneW | he put a huge amount of effort in and I was a bit annoyed that none of his stuff was used | 11:07 |
| JaneW | or even acknowledged as far as I know | 11:07 |
| highvoltage | i've always liked his stuff. i feel a bit bad that his stuff wan't used either, but as far as i can recall, it was just because no printed cd's were planned? | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i loved his design though | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | (still do) | 11:09 |
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| ogra | ok, i386 live seems good ... | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | crickey so i get to test amd64 for edubuntu flight 6 jeez | 11:13 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | ok 1 hour to go | 11:14 |
| JaneW | ogra: did you see silb's message for edubuntu artwork links? | 11:15 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: is this the flight 6 cd? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso | 11:17 |
| jsgotangco | im getting the current as well | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | well that's the candidate for flight 6 | 11:18 |
| ogra | highvoltage, yep | 11:19 |
| ogra | live will likely se a rebuild to get the latest network-manager in | 11:19 |
| pips1 | ogra, the header info still says MEETING: March 15 at 12:00 UTC instead of March 29 12:00 UTC ... also, I just realised that in Europe, we now have +2 hours off-set from UTC, because of daylight saving time... | 11:58 |
| ogra | feel free to chane :) | 11:59 |
| ogra | *change | 11:59 |
| ogra | the topic isnt locked | 11:59 |
| ogra | JaneW, according to silbs request, we'll likely have another text it seems | 12:03 |
| JaneW | ogra: huh? | 12:03 |
| JaneW | ogra: she sent me a mail asking for CD civer text, which I replied to | 12:03 |
| ogra | JaneW, see her last mail | 12:03 |
| JaneW | ogra: now she wants install instructions | 12:04 |
| JaneW | and min specs | 12:04 |
| ogra | yes | 12:04 |
| ogra | the'll fill the cover already | 12:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: can you respond | 12:04 |
| JaneW | to make sure it's correct | 12:04 |
| ogra | yep | 12:04 |
| JaneW | thanks | 12:04 |
| JaneW | be consise! | 12:04 |
| ogra | waiting for your reply to hit my inbox ... | 12:05 |
| ogra | meh, install CDs need a rebuild too | 12:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: I'll fwd | 12:06 |
| JaneW | the first mail didn;t have you CCed | 12:06 |
| ogra | ah, k | 12:06 |
| ogra | then it gets hard to check :) | 12:06 |
| ogra | JaneW, dont we also offer commercial support as well ? | 12:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: er, I donlt know, not officially yet afaik | 12:11 |
| JaneW | but I am sure we would/could if there was demand | 12:11 |
| ogra | we have a special http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport talks about "Cluster and Thin Client Support" | 12:12 |
| ogra | *special offer | 12:12 |
| JaneW | oic | 12:15 |
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| ogra | jsgotangco, the kbd-chooser changes were forgotten ... you might have probs installing with a non english keyboard | 12:23 |
| ogra | (there is a CD rebuild pending) | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | its ok i'll test it on an en_us keyboard | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | the only non-us keyboard i have here are my 2 laptops | 12:23 |
| ogra | and live is missing the latest artwork ... | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | oh not that much of an issue then | 12:24 |
| ogra | thanks to a rebuild of the complete KDE world ... | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | except the kbd | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | weee | 12:24 |
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| Bluekujaa | jonathan? | 01:45 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 12 mins | 01:48 |
| Bluekujaa | yeah i remember it :) | 01:49 |
| Bluekujaa | i will arrive 5 minutes later | 01:49 |
| Bluekujaa | ;) | 01:49 |
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| highvoltage | i'm here i'm here i'm here! | 01:55 |
| highvoltage | geez, traffic is dense, and i'm in time for the meeting :) | 01:55 |
| ogra | arent you using gprs anyway ? | 01:56 |
| ogra | you could do it from a traffic jam :) | 01:56 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: i've used IRC on gprs from my laptop while driving before, it won't be the first :) | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | (although right now i'm at work with nice, free bandwidth) | 01:57 |
| ogra | heh | 01:57 |
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| bobulator | afternoon, it's all gone a bit wrong. i did a fresh flight 5 install, and im getting 'Error 17: CAnnot mount selected partition' any ideas? | 03:04 |
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| ogra | bobulator, looks like a BIOS issue, set the acess mode for your disk to LBA | 03:06 |
| bobulator | ogra, hmm do you know what section thats in? i cant see it... brb | 03:08 |
| ogra | no idea ... anywhere in the HD settings of the BIOS | 03:08 |
| bobulator | k | 03:10 |
| bobulator | ogra, ah got it, LBA mode is on. just checking... i put GRUB on the main partition of the system drive (its not asked me that question before, incidentally). and it also says it cant read the filesystem type | 03:13 |
| ogra | err, you need to put GRUB into the MBR, unless you already have a bootloader | 03:14 |
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| bobulator | wheres the MBR? | 03:15 |
| bobulator | its jsut odd its not asked me where to put it before... | 03:15 |
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| bobulator | where should i be installing grub then if not on the main partition? | 03:19 |
| highvoltage | bobulator: MBR is your master boot record | 03:19 |
| highvoltage | it's located at the beginning of the disk, it's where your bios looks for information about your bootloader | 03:19 |
| highvoltage | if your hard disk is /dev/sda, then specifying /dev/sda as your location to install grub will install it to MBR | 03:20 |
| bobulator | ok... i think thats what i did though. | 03:20 |
| highvoltage | if you specify a partition, such as /dev/sda1, then it won't write to your MBR, which is useful for dual-booting. | 03:20 |
| bobulator | maybe i did /dev/hde1, would that mess it up? | 03:20 |
| bobulator | ahhhh | 03:20 |
| highvoltage | 'mess up' is perhaps a strong word | 03:21 |
| bobulator | do you think thats my problem? im getting "Error 17: CAnnot mount selected partition" | 03:21 |
| highvoltage | you could chroot into your installation and do a 'sudo grub-install /dev/hde' and it could re-install it on MBR | 03:21 |
| bobulator | and the grub thing was the only thing in the install process i was unsure of | 03:21 |
| highvoltage | i don't know, it's possible, though. | 03:22 |
| bobulator | ok :) | 03:22 |
| bobulator | hmm how can i chroot into a half installed system though? methinks i need to start again... argh | 03:22 |
| bobulator | it wont let me ssh in anyway | 03:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage, pfft ... | 03:23 |
| ogra | "<highvoltage> you could chroot into your installation and do a 'sudo grub-install /dev/hde' and it could re-install it on MBR" | 03:23 |
| ogra | the CD has a rescue mode ... | 03:23 |
| ogra | with an option to fix the grub install ;) | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | ah, right! sorry, i'm a bit old school. | 03:23 |
| bobulator | ah ok :D | 03:23 |
| ogra | you just select it :) | 03:23 |
| bobulator | thats the kind of answer i wanted ;) haha | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | bobulator: yes, use the nice, shiny rescue mode. | 03:24 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:24 |
| bobulator | the new install screen is pretty, btw | 03:24 |
| ogra | (needs testing as well :) ) | 03:24 |
| bobulator | yeah theres some weird ggraphics glitch when it loads the progress bar, but i dont think it really matters... | 03:24 |
| highvoltage | bobulator: you have an intel extreme 2 display card? i've seen something similar to that before. | 03:26 |
| bobulator | its an ati something something | 03:26 |
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| bobulator | mack 64 II+ extra blah blah | 03:26 |
| bobulator | ogra, hmm ok, its giving me a choice of devices to use as a root file system, and i have no idea which is which... its listing them as /dev/disk/ | 03:27 |
| ogra | wow, mach 64 is ancient | 03:27 |
| bobulator | hmm ill double check when it boots | 03:27 |
| ogra | choose the MBR of your first disk ... | 03:28 |
| ogra | (not a partition) | 03:28 |
| bobulator | the options are all in the form /discx /partx | 03:28 |
| bobulator | so maybe /disc0/part1? | 03:29 |
| bobulator | that sounds like a partition though | 03:29 |
| highvoltage | bobulator: what does your bios boot from? /dev/hda? | 03:30 |
| bobulator | hde | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | bobulator: then i suggest you try /dev/hde | 03:31 |
| bobulator | for some reason, even though its on IDE0 | 03:31 |
| bobulator | thats not an option | 03:31 |
| highvoltage | what are your options? | 03:31 |
| bobulator | the options are... /dev/disks/disc0/part1 part2 part5, and /dev/disks/disk1/part1 part2 part5, or dev/disks/disk2/part1 | 03:31 |
| bobulator | oh god im being an idiot this is just asking me what i want to use as my rtoot file system | 03:32 |
| bobulator | argh | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | hehe :) | 03:32 |
| bobulator | hmm although, theres no option to reinstall grub if i do select one? | 03:33 |
| bobulator | the options are... 'execute a shell in /dev/disks/...,' 'execute a shell in the installer environment', 'choose a diff root file system' | 03:33 |
| highvoltage | i don't know, let me boot from edubuntu CD and check... | 03:34 |
| bobulator | cool :) | 03:34 |
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| highvoltage | bobulator: did you choose "Re-install GRUB bootloader"? | 03:39 |
| highvoltage | you are then given a field where you can type in the device | 03:39 |
| bobulator | there was no option for that | 03:41 |
| bobulator | hmm | 03:41 |
| bobulator | ill try again | 03:41 |
| bobulator | if i go back a bit i can get to 'install the grub boot loader' but theres no 'reinstall' option | 03:41 |
| bobulator | ill reset anwyay | 03:41 |
| bobulator | highvoltage, yup ok, so the first option is what to use as a root file system, probably disc0/part1 right? | 03:44 |
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| bobulator | ahhhhh | 03:45 |
| bobulator | ok the drives are back to front, that explains it | 03:45 |
| bobulator | highvoltage, still doesnt work :p | 03:47 |
| highvoltage | :/ | 03:48 |
| bobulator | is there any equivalant of df in grub so i can double check the disks? | 03:48 |
| ogra | alt-f2 | 03:48 |
| bobulator | doesnt do antyhing? :S | 03:49 |
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| JaneW | gah, I am sick again :( | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 03:52 |
| === JaneW is tired of feeling like crap | ||
| JaneW | hey jsgotangco | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | you need ubuntu soup | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: i hope everything is well on your side | 03:52 |
| JaneW | I am half way through the mailing list mail to jdub and am stuck | 03:52 |
| JaneW | do we want everyone subscribed to both? | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | err | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | you need another list? | 03:52 |
| bobulator | ogra, highvoltage: maybe i should get the latest breezy install then update it manually? | 03:52 |
| JaneW | I have had som many conflicting opinions and requests that I don't know anymore | 03:53 |
| Pygi | JaneW: bah, no good :-/ | 03:54 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i think we should get everyone who's currenlty on -devel on -users | 03:54 |
| ogra | JaneW, yes ! | 03:54 |
| JaneW | so can I asked for e-devel + e-users and subscribe everyone to both and they can unsub at will? | 03:54 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: after that, people can subscribe/re-subscribe as they please | 03:54 |
| JaneW | it's around 380 ppl | 03:54 |
| highvoltage | ctrl+c, ctrl+v :) | 03:55 |
| ogra | JaneW, we want them on both, quote me on that and send complaints to me | 03:55 |
| JaneW | ok deal ! | 03:55 |
| JaneW | :) | 03:55 |
| ogra | :) | 03:55 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:55 |
| Pygi | :) | 03:55 |
| ogra | ok, next i386 testinstall running | 03:56 |
| ogra | that really sucks, i had to cancel some appointments this afternoon, the CDs were ready this morning :( | 03:56 |
| JaneW | ok sent | 03:56 |
| Pygi | ogra: huh :-/ | 03:56 |
| ogra | but now it looks like another nightshift ... | 03:57 |
| highvoltage | :( | 03:57 |
| ogra | Pygi, shit happens | 03:57 |
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| Pygi | ogra: what happened exactly? (except me and "my" patch ) ^_^ | 03:58 |
| ogra | you and your patch | 03:58 |
| ogra | and a bug in the kdb-chooser of the install Cd | 03:58 |
| Pygi | o joy :'( | 03:58 |
| Pygi | sorry for that ogra :-// | 03:58 |
| ogra | Pygi, its ok ... | 03:58 |
| Pygi | nah, it's not really :-/ | 03:59 |
| ogra | would have been my first CD set where everything work flawless | 03:59 |
| ogra | it never happens :) | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: well for consolation, amd64 installed nicely | 03:59 |
| highvoltage | anyone seen mhz around lately? | 03:59 |
| Pygi | ogra: yes, but this time It's my fault :-P | 03:59 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, what keymap ? | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | US | 03:59 |
| ogra | heh, ok | 03:59 |
| ogra | all others are buggy on your version :) | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | meh | 04:00 |
| ogra | the fix went in after you downloaded ... | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | it seems even n-m isn't working | 04:00 |
| Pygi | jsgotangco: ok, what is the problem with n-m this time? | 04:01 |
| ogra | nope, and i dont understand the reason behind switching to 0.6.x on the current CD ... its known to be broken and in flux | 04:01 |
| Pygi | ogra: actually, drivers and wpasupplicant is more broken that n-m itself | 04:02 |
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| bobulator | help :( ive triple checked everything and i cant work out whats wrong at allll. im gonna install breezy and update unless anyone has any better ideas... | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | bobulator: what exactly is the problem? i have no scrollback | 04:02 |
| === Pygi agrees with ogra, but this way we get more testing ... altought we will most probably convert to 0.6.2 :-/ | ||
| bobulator | standard install off a flight 5 disk, and im getting 'error 17: cannot mount selected partition' | 04:03 |
| ogra | Pygi, but we already know its broken ... testing is pointless in that case | 04:03 |
| Pygi | ogra: agreed :-/ | 04:04 |
| Pygi | ogra: hopefully 0.6.2 is better | 04:04 |
| Pygi | much better | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | ogra: <pc mode=off>we know the reason. All the pussies on the m-l and forums<pc mode=on> | 04:04 |
| ogra | pc mode ? | 04:05 |
| ogra | wasnt that CoC mode ? ;) | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | politically correct | 04:05 |
| ogra | Pygi, with all the effort you guys put into it, it would be a miracle if it wouldnt :) | 04:05 |
| Pygi | ogra: bah ;) Everyone makes it's share of work ... that's why dapper will rock ;) | 04:06 |
| Yagisan | many viable alternatives, but people want to torture themselves | 04:06 |
| Yagisan | is there really enough time to properly test n-m 0.6 ? | 04:07 |
| ogra | we have until june 1st :) | 04:08 |
| bobulator | jsgotangco, any better ideas or shall i do what i suggested? | 04:08 |
| ogra | and its ugly to revert versions | 04:08 |
| Pygi | ogra: yup, true ;) now tell me the mail where I request UVF exception, preety please? ^_^ | 04:09 |
| ogra | Pygi, see the wikipage Kamion posted | 04:09 |
| Pygi | Yagisan: we are working on that as much as we can... I haven't slept for 4 days :-P | 04:09 |
| bobulator | taking about reverting versions, openoffice seems loads better than openoffice2 to me... | 04:09 |
| ogra | Pygi, sleep is for the weak | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | yes sleep is for the weak | 04:09 |
| ogra | or the week ? | 04:09 |
| Pygi | yes, yes, very interesting indeed ^_^ | 04:10 |
| ogra | bobulator, thats not reverting versions :) | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | bobulator: hmmmm | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | that's going back to the past | 04:10 |
| ogra | bobulator, its just a new package name ... the version is different | 04:10 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: that's sort of my point. it is a lot of work. (and someone will whinge for 0.7 the moment you finish) | 04:10 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, nope, ooo switched the name upstream | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 04:11 |
| ogra | they'll drop the 1.X line | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | oh goodie | 04:11 |
| Pygi | Yagisan: hm, If I ever learned something while developing things, I learned that there is no such thing as "finished" | 04:11 |
| ogra | so the 2 isnt needed anymore in the package name | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | well it makes sense though | 04:11 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: sure there is. It's the moment you make a release. the you get a new task. | 04:12 |
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| Yagisan | hmm gcc takes a while to build | 04:12 |
| Pygi | Yagisan: you are wrong ^_^ release is not "finished" | 04:12 |
| Pygi | wanna bet there are a lot that should have gone into release, fixed or something, and it isn't there? :P | 04:12 |
| Pygi | if we would go that way, we would never have a release ;) | 04:12 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: pfft - of course a release is finished. It's I'm finished, no more is going in that version. | 04:13 |
| Pygi | o joy, I don't consider that to be like that, but I'll let you be ;) | 04:14 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: I think your lack of sleep is affecting your sense of humor | 04:15 |
| Pygi | Yagisan: agreed ;) | 04:15 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: have kids yet ? | 04:15 |
| Pygi | sec pls, I'll be back ASAP | 04:16 |
| Pygi | k, I am back | 04:17 |
| Pygi | nah | 04:17 |
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| Pygi | JaneW: still here? | 04:19 |
| JaneW | Pygi: yep | 04:19 |
| Yagisan | Pygi: 3 more days without sleep, and you are ready to deal with the sleep deprivation that comes with them | 04:20 |
| Pygi | JaneW: do you want me to mail you log of meeting "tommorow" (at least for me), or you'll just look it up on that logs page? | 04:20 |
| Pygi | Yagisan: lol ^_^ | 04:20 |
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| Yagisan | mhz! | 04:21 |
| mhz | Yagisan: ! | 04:22 |
| mhz | whaz up? | 04:22 |
| Yagisan | mhz: cleaning up my deng repo | 04:25 |
| Yagisan | mhz: trying to ignore crying kids | 04:25 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yourself ? | 04:25 |
| mhz | finally, finding out some stuff regarding my 128 MB CF and getting some perspective to get at least money to pay one month rent :D | 04:27 |
| JaneW | Pygi: yes please (re log) | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | mhz: hope it goes well for you. moneys tight here too now | 04:28 |
| JaneW | Pygi: else I donlt mind looking it up either | 04:28 |
| mhz | Yagisan: the CF inserted to a PCMCIA adapter is recognized as a /dev/hdc in my case | 04:29 |
| Pygi | JaneW: oki, I'll send the log to you once meeting is done ^_^ | 04:29 |
| JaneW | Pygi: ty vm | 04:29 |
| Pygi | JaneW: I hope we'll have some good decisions, and none bad ^_^ | 04:29 |
| JaneW | Pygi: yes! | 04:29 |
| mhz | and it seems to me the CF may be damaged because it is not possible to mount it using the USB reader | 04:29 |
| Pygi | JaneW: I suppose we are to update cookbook for version after dapper that are yet to come, right? | 04:30 |
| Pygi | s/version/versions | 04:30 |
| JaneW | Pygi: yes, as relevant | 04:31 |
| JaneW | try to make it as generic as possible where you can, but obviously we'll have some version specifics | 04:31 |
| Pygi | JaneW: kk, but first work on this one needs to be finished ^_^ We'll get it ready for dapper I believe | 04:31 |
| Pygi | JaneW: yes, ofcourse ... we can't avoid some things that are "too version specific" | 04:32 |
| Pygi | anyway, ogra, will you be reviewing the cookbook? ^_^ | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | that's nice to know that the cookbook is finally taking steam | 04:33 |
| Pygi | jsgotangco: yes, after so much "standing period", it's good ;) | 04:34 |
| Pygi | but a lot more work to be done remains ;) | 04:34 |
| ogra | Pygi, i plan to help writing it :) | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | my apologies I wasn't that much help this cycle | 04:34 |
| Pygi | ogra: oh, thanks ^_^ Then I'll review your writing ^_^ | 04:35 |
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| JaneW | jsgotangco: yes spacey and Pygi have taken the reigns | 04:35 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: and ably so it seems \o/ | 04:35 |
| Pygi | :-P | 04:35 |
| ogra | Pygi, will be hard to review, there wont be any reference to check i'm not writing rubbish apart from the code of ltsp :) | 04:36 |
| ogra | so you'll have to check the scripts for all the options i write about :) | 04:36 |
| Pygi | ogra: bah, I know you are no writing rubbish, no worries ;) but I believe we will have to check what other people write ... | 04:36 |
| Pygi | ogra: that won't be a problem ... as long as it's not ruby or whitespace or some weirder language ;) | 04:37 |
| ogra | Pygi, i'd appreciate if someone reviews my writing ... | 04:37 |
| ogra | i tend to make a lot of errors in english ... | 04:37 |
| Pygi | ogra: no worries ^_^ | 04:37 |
| ogra | ask JaneW about my grammar in the flight announcements :) | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | ruby isnt weird :P | 04:37 |
| ogra | Pygi, its shell and python | 04:37 |
| JaneW | ogra: it is usually very good! | 04:37 |
| Pygi | jsgotangco: but whitespace is :-P | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:38 |
| Pygi | ogra: ah, shell and python are ok ^_^ I can check that out, no probs :P | 04:38 |
| ogra | JaneW, i remember a very odd one where nobody got what i meant :) | 04:38 |
| JaneW | ogra: heh | 04:38 |
| ogra | Pygi, its just that our ltsp is written from scratch, so all docs will be completely new ones ... | 04:38 |
| Pygi | ogra: ah, no problem ... we'll manage it somehow ^_^ as we always did ;) | 04:39 |
| ogra | sure :) | 04:39 |
| Pygi | ogra: but I must remember not to ask for patch inclusion anymore :-P, at least while we are in that freeze thingy ;) | 04:40 |
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| ogra | Pygi, only during the days where we do milestone releases :) | 04:41 |
| ogra | edubuntu i386 install is gold btw | 04:41 |
| Pygi | JaneW, ogra: Can we rename the cookbook to "How to cook Edubuntu" ? preety please? ^_^ | 04:41 |
| ogra | we can do everything we want, sure | 04:41 |
| Pygi | :) | 04:42 |
| Pygi | we are going to get a lot of bugs report if n-m 0.6.1 doesn't work for people on flight 6 | 04:42 |
| Pygi | and we already had so much duplicates :-/ | 04:43 |
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| Pygi | ogra: have a few minutes? I need few lections of how "Main" and updating packages there works ^_^ | 04:47 |
| ogra | later, i'm a bit busy testing CDs now | 04:47 |
| JaneW | Pygi: why? | 04:47 |
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| Pygi | ogra: ok, sorry ^_^ enjoy testing ;) | 04:48 |
| JaneW | Pygi: Call it the Edubuntu Cookbook | 04:48 |
| JaneW | and subtitle 'How to cook with Edubuntu' | 04:48 |
| Pygi | JaneW: ah, ok :-P | 04:48 |
| JaneW | Pygi: :) | 04:48 |
| Pygi | joy. wpasupplicant fixed ;) | 04:50 |
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| bobulator | ok, i reinstalled, upgraded and the server display still isn't working | 06:30 |
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| cbx33 | Hi Bluekuja | 07:39 |
| Bluekuja | hey man | 07:41 |
| Bluekuja | :) | 07:41 |
| Bluekuja | how are you? | 07:41 |
| cbx33 | yeh good you? | 07:42 |
| Bluekuja | really good too | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 07:43 |
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| lns | Hey all | 08:38 |
| ogra | hi | 08:38 |
| lns | I'm not sure if there's been a bug report filed already but are you aware of a bug in dapper with gnome-applets when you do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? | 08:39 |
| ogra | thats fixed in edubuntu-artwork 0.1.0-20 | 08:39 |
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| lns | ok..just checking. =) thanks! | 08:40 |
| ogra | i guess you mean the gconf errors :) | 08:40 |
| lns | yep | 08:40 |
| lns | the line 56 file not found errors | 08:40 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/37081 | 08:41 |
| lns | in /usr/sbin/update-gconf-defaults | 08:41 |
| ogra | if yu see further errors with 0.1.0-20, feel free to reopen it :) | 08:41 |
| lns | ok, for sure. =) | 08:41 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 08:41 |
| lns | hey, thank YOU! =) | 08:42 |
| lns | so | 08:42 |
| ogra | :) | 08:42 |
| lns | I'm testing Dapper flight 5... got a couple qs | 08:42 |
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| ogra | shoot | 08:42 |
| lns | i can't figure out where to change the default wm | 08:42 |
| === ogra is just preparing flight-6 here :) | ||
| lns | i'm sure ldm isn't finished yet | 08:42 |
| ogra | it is ... | 08:43 |
| lns | oh ok | 08:43 |
| lns | well i can't figure out where to change the default wm... i'm wanting to test out fluxbox since it is much less resource intensive than gnome | 08:43 |
| ogra | the default wm is selected systemwide through update-alternatives | 08:43 |
| ogra | you need to update the alternative for x-session-manager | 08:43 |
| lns | ok, awesome | 08:44 |
| lns | thank you | 08:44 |
| ogra | additionally ldm starts /etc/X11/Xsession ... which for example reads ~/.xsession | 08:44 |
| ogra | so either do it user based with that file, or system wide with the alternatives system | 08:44 |
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| lns | ok, jeez i never heard of update-alternatives. learn something new every day. =) | 08:45 |
| ogra | i'm working on a mode for ldm session selection and a config gui for the october release | 08:45 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ | 08:45 |
| lns | nice! | 08:46 |
| lns | oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 08:46 |
| lns | looks awesome ogra | 08:46 |
| ogra | :) | 08:47 |
| lns | so i'm sure this really isn't something that we can deal with easily, but what about the gfx rendering in tuxtyping / tuxmath and such? | 08:47 |
| lns | they're barely useable in an ltsp env. :( | 08:48 |
| ogra | yep, but thats by design ... | 08:48 |
| ogra | the upstream developers need to rework that | 08:48 |
| lns | yeah i agree | 08:48 |
| ogra | you cant fix it easily without conceptual changes | 08:48 |
| lns | have you (or anyone) tested edubuntu/ltsp in a gigabit ethernet env? | 08:49 |
| lns | with gigabit clients AND server that is | 08:49 |
| ogra | i'm not sure, i think highvoltage runs his servers with gigabit but the clients with 100M | 08:49 |
| lns | k...that's gonna be my env. - gbit server and 100m clients | 08:50 |
| ogra | should work fine | 08:52 |
| lns | yeah...ok dumb ltsp q: so there's 5 kids on 5 thin clients, all using openoffice | 08:53 |
| lns | is the memory utilization on the server for 5 full openoffice process trees? | 08:53 |
| ogra | nope | 08:53 |
| lns | or is it shared between them | 08:53 |
| lns | ok | 08:54 |
| ogra | its partially shared and partially not .. | 08:54 |
| lns | =) that makes me feel better though | 08:54 |
| ogra | but the bigger amount is the shared one | 08:54 |
| lns | ok...good news again. =) i only have one client / server to test with so it's good to know it won't be that much worse with say, 10 clients probably | 08:54 |
| lns | but i also need more than 512mb ram on the server. ;) | 08:55 |
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| lns | k, just requested to join the edubuntu launchpad site ( https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu/+join ). | 09:07 |
| lns | I feel all involved now ;) | 09:08 |
| === Yagisan is exhausted | ||
| === Yagisan just did a complete license audit of a FLOSS project | ||
| === lns congradulates Yagisan | ||
| mhz | Yagisan: wow!!11 | 09:10 |
| mhz | \o/ \o/ \o/ Yagisan | 09:10 |
| Yagisan | summary - project failed. not going in Ubuntu until cleaned up | 09:11 |
| lns | Sock it to em! | 09:11 |
| lns | ok off to test! | 09:16 |
| neurogeek | mhz, how is it going?? | 09:39 |
| mhz | neurogeek: hi | 09:40 |
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| harlock | hello | 11:14 |
| Pygi | hi harlock | 11:14 |
| Pygi | spacey: around? | 11:14 |
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