[12:04] I did remove eveyrthing (libnl1*, libnm*, network-manager*, wpasupplicant) and then installed fresh [12:04] everything just work [12:04] even with old knm === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] Tonio_: why is package 0.99 if their version is 0.1? [12:07] Lure: that was it [12:08] Lure: because when 0.1 will be release, version will not be prior to 1.0rbla [12:08] Lure: do you have vpn options ? [12:08] Lure: able to try this out? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969 [12:08] Riddell: want to revu knetworkmanager ? [12:08] Tonio_: yes, int a bit [12:09] got 3.5.2 to upload first [12:09] Riddell: okay, thanks :) [12:09] night all..really busy day tomorrow === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:10] kwwii: nite :) [12:10] Lure: ping ? [12:11] Tonio_: do not get version 0.99 > 0.1, therefore if they release 0.2 it will not upgrade [12:11] Lure: arf ;) [12:12] 0.0.99 [12:12] ;) [12:12] sorry for the error [12:12] 0.1~rbla should do the job ;) [12:12] rebuilding [12:12] Tonio_: true, even better [12:15] Riddell: E: knetworkmanager source: bad-version-number 0.1~r5961-0ubuntu1 === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-141-181.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] Riddell: is that normal ? [12:16] Riddell: will try, but Debian package require kwin-style-crystal + k-d-s and k-d to remove [12:17] Tonio_: looks ok to me [12:17] hello yuriy [12:17] Riddell: okay [12:20] Riddell: first feeling is positive - but you need to dsiable transperancy [12:21] Lure: yes, we'll do that by default [12:21] but it fixes the problem when you've done that? [12:22] Riddell: it is much better, still kwin gets in top high, but not near as high as before [12:23] I need to test desktop thing after reboot - will be back soon to report.... [12:24] Tonio_: you need n-m-vpn packages for VPN [12:24] here is one private repo: http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager/ [12:25] lureokay, testing :) === andre^off [n=snatch@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] lure [12:56] rahhhhhh [12:57] Riddell: just fyi, I can confirm you knetworkmanager works with vpn :) [12:57] the only poblem is that the vpn config dialog is gtk based..... [12:57] and requires gconf...... [12:57] but that works === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZuZubuntu-fr|AWA is now known as ZuZubuntu-fr [01:50] hi folks [01:51] I think this question has ask before: how long does it normally take when a package is in the repos (after it is in the rss-feed)? [01:53] rss-feed=dapper-changes mailinglist [01:54] i'm using http://archive.ubuntu.com/ === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andre^off [n=snatch@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACC9BF8D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] hey everyone, does anyone know if Kaffeine 0.8 will make it into Dapper? or will that get into +1? [03:47] we don't know, it's not a priority [03:47] and does add bugs [03:48] ahh ok thanks for letting me know [03:49] good work with Kubuntu btw, its getting real nice now :) [04:39] (a little late for the previous conversation) it's not possible to add any more bugs to kaffeine IMO even if the newer version has new bugs, I would hope that more bugs would be fixed than could possibly be introduced. I don't normally use kaffeine for anything, but I gave it a shot the other day and it crashed with just about every file I tried to open. I was thinking wow "kaffeine crashes when playing ANYTHING", but turned th [04:39] atabase [04:40] *turned out === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] yuriy: kaffeine works great for me [05:54] Riddell: around pong? [06:22] any ideas what a "web shortcut" is? malone #37099 [06:22] Malone bug 37099 in kdebase konqueror "Web shortcuts not working with uppercase letters" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37099 [06:23] seaLne: try lpbug:37099 in konqueror [06:25] err, that doesn't work [06:26] ah right like gg: etc [06:26] yup === _freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] where is the bzr tree for kubuntu-default-settings? === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034209119.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nael_ [n=nael@ppp-71-139-198-36.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-96.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waits for tonio_ === Lure [n=luka@BSN-77-135-17.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] Riddell: ping [08:34] hey Lure [08:35] hey Lure it's 6:34 AM for Riddell , hehe [08:35] Riddell: my KDE session got messed up completely after installing new crystal.deb and removing kwin-crystal-style [08:35] Riddell: and depending k-desktop and k-d-s [08:35] freeflying: I know, but I may not be here latter ;-) [08:36] moin [08:36] hey Tm_T [08:36] freeflying: and he has plenty to do so I cannot understand how he can afford sleep ;-) [08:36] Hobbsee: :) [08:36] hehe @ Lure [08:37] Lure: haha, he also like us , he just a man [08:37] Riddell: I should have used dpkg-divert instead or removing kwin-crystal-style - now I know that ;-) [08:37] I just home Flight6 will be out soon so that I can do fresh install [08:38] s/home/hope/ [08:38] hehe [08:38] or just install off whatever you have... === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-141-181.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] for bugs or wishes that were filed by breezy users and are now fixed in dapper, should those be marked "fix released" even if the reporter can't tell if their problem was solved? [08:46] this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/32350 for example [08:46] Malone bug 32350 in kdebase konqueror "No menu entry and hotkey binding to "Find file..." in file manager mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [08:50] yes, mark it fix released [08:50] the submitter can always revert it if (s)he feels differently [08:57] thanks. realized though that that particular one isn't quite fixed. ctrl-f still doesn't get you to find file. [08:58] yuriy: i don't see display in system settings, but you do? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:00] seaLne: i do see it. that's kind of been confusing me -- i've seen a lot of problems about that module but haven't had any of them myself. [09:00] i don't see it at home or at work [09:01] hmm [09:04] when i get into work i'll restart into the new kde packages, but i presume they are just really rebuilt against 3.3.6, to check again === Hobbsee cheers, now that her weekly program seems to be working [09:06] seaLne: you have kde-guidance installed? [09:06] yep === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst worries about the smart thingy [10:06] verwilst: smart which? [10:06] the apt-get replacement === verwilst would hate to have rpm's back :p [10:07] ah [10:08] havent heard of an apt-get replacement === theine [n=theine@fw2.nbi.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] Hi, what's the reason for kdvi not being in main? [10:34] yuriy: hmm at work i have display back, weird [10:36] minor heart attack after restarting kde and nothing happened blank kicker, but portmap had decided to bind to localhost so nfs wasn't working === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] man, yakuake owns [10:46] see yaaaaaa konsole [10:46] ;) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] yuriy: i think the reporter of bug 32350 (ctrl-F for find file) is right - that shortcut should do exactly that. maybe bug Riddell about it... [11:15] Malone bug 32350 in kdebase konqueror "No menu entry and hotkey binding to "Find file..." in file manager mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32350 [11:16] yeah, verwilst, yakuake rulez :D [11:18] i really love it [11:18] i even removed konsole from my taskbar :d [11:30] superstoned: i have a find file menu entry, not sure if that has stayed around from before tho [11:30] seaLne: where? [11:30] i don't have it, at least i can't find it... [11:30] i only see the filters [11:31] now beagle/kerry works (and is eating all my RAM) i wouldn't need a find function, but i guess anyone without 1 gig ram simply can't run beagle, so find would be usefull for them... [11:31] superstoned: www2.duffus.org/tmp/kmenu.png [11:32] aaah you're talking about the Kmenu [11:32] tought it should be in konqueror's edit menu :D [11:32] aren't they? [11:32] nope [11:32] nothing in konqi [11:32] ah sorry just re read it [11:33] no, its ok [11:33] isn't ctr-f for find text in file? [11:33] try it... [11:33] does nothing in filebrowsing mode [11:34] well it wouldn't as there is no text [11:34] if you opened a file (embedded), i guess yes. lets see if these two bit each other... [11:34] they don't bite - ctrl f in filebrowsing now shows me the "find file" thingie above the files, and if i view a textfile (embedded) the find text dialogue pops up. [11:35] i think ctrl-F should definately allow for searching files. [11:35] we have the dirfilter now, but it only searches through the current folder, not 'deeper' and not IN textfiles, as the find function can do. [11:40] Great! You got rid of the xmms dependency in kde 3.5.2 as seen in main! [11:41] hm === Tm_T dropped xmms dependency from my own kopete package [11:42] hunger: but atleast here when I upgraded to 3.5.2 xmms was installed :o [11:42] Tm_T: It was for me too, when I used the kde 3.5.2 debs from some strange repository. [11:43] strange repository like kubuntu.org ;) [11:43] Tm_T: After upgrading to those in main that dependency vanished and debfoster cleaned out xmms. [11:43] Tm_T: Yes, something like that:-) [11:43] heh === alerim [n=alexis@rimbaud.net1.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:44] it was kdeaddons that got xmms dependency, I think [11:44] That and kubuntu.no-ip.org [11:44] Tm_T: kicker-applets dragged xmms in. [11:44] ah yes! === Tm_T compile his own kicker [11:44] Tm_T: IIRC there is one applet to control xmms. [11:45] there is === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] Well, applets seem to get out of vogue anyway... I get lots of systray icons nowadays but hardly any applets anymore. [11:46] heh [11:46] And the applets way much nicer... at least you could move them separately. [11:46] mediacontrol applet or something like that [11:46] s/way/were/ [11:46] I have minimum set of applets in kicker, no icons [11:47] but 3 in systray (rest hidden) === hunger got 4 in systray (plus 3 or 4 more hidden) [11:48] Plus the clock, wastebin and taskbar applets (are those applets?) [11:48] yup [11:48] http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png [11:48] kmenu, taskbar, systray, clock [11:49] I used to have the panel vertically, too. [11:49] :) [11:49] But then it gets soooo wide if you add the taskbar to it. [11:50] If you keep the taskbar horizontal, then you can add the rest there just as well... and get rid of the vertical panel. === hunger does not have the screen estate to waste on several panels. [11:52] hunger: I like the way it is here, doesn't use much space and still have all I need [11:53] Tm_T: It limits the width of fullscreen windows (which I use for scribus or such apps only). [11:54] Tm_T: Of course you usually need more vertical space for those apps anyway. [11:55] hunger: it doesn't limit, if you don't care if kicker is hidden [11:55] but, 82px from 1400px ... nothing ;) [12:08] Riddell: is KOffice 1.5 going into dapper? === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Hobbsee: i should be preparing to get a bunch of useless reports in launchpad? :] [12:34] mornfall: probably [12:34] better than on the forums, then have them whine about them not getting fixed [12:34] mornfall: is this guy a painful bugwriter, or something? [12:35] Hobbsee: no idea, i only infer from what is written in #kubuntu [12:36] sudo kill -9 -1 :] (don't try that at home kids) [12:37] what's that do? [12:37] Hobbsee: terminate everything [12:37] ah right === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee looks thru the bug lists [01:27] kscreensaver-xsavers is not upgradeable atm [01:27] have raised bug on that [01:32] ubijtsa2: yes, i can confirm that - got a bug #? [01:33] Hobbsee: one sec [01:34] bug #37146 [01:34] Malone bug 37146 in kdeartwork kscreensaver-xsavers "can not install/update package" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37146 [01:34] if there's a bug in a ubuntu package, and it's linked to a bug upstream, which is marked as fix released, and the problem is not still occuring, i can mark the bug as fix released, right? [01:34] ok [01:35] ubijtsa2: is the kde 3.5.2 in main, or via separate repo? [01:35] Hobbsee: dunno, is it fix released only when fix hits ubuntu repos? [01:35] yes [01:35] Hobbsee: uhrrm.. let me check [01:36] main by the looks of it [01:37] ah ok, cool [01:38] ubijtsa2: do you happen to use the history function in kopete? [01:39] Hobbsee: I switched to centericq as it was console based [01:39] ah ok [01:39] hard to run kopete and leave it in a screen session ;) [01:40] hehe [01:40] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=114361705931363&w=2 [01:40] about ruddy time we got that capability in X.. [01:40] so we can resume an app running on screen at one computer if logging in from another === Hobbsee tests, to see if she can close another bug [01:43] yep, i think i can :D [01:43] ubijtsa2: it's fairly nontrivial [01:43] ubijtsa2: if you can sponsor me for some year, i may be able to come up with neccessary qt+kde patches ;-) === mornfall listening to Tristania -- Tender Trip on Earth === Hobbsee closes the bug === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-65-59.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee goes further bugfixing & bugclosing [01:47] Hobbsee: :-) [01:48] mornfall: *grin* [01:48] :P [01:48] ow [01:48] battery crying [01:49] :( [01:49] i do have ac -- just was too lazy to plug it :] [01:51] can someone advise me a general (non-fixed width) font that looks good around 6-7pt size? lcd screen, subpixel, ~100dpi [01:51] and another bug bites the dust.... [01:52] mornfall: i like dejavu sans, but i think it's more personal preference than anything else [01:53] Hobbsee: i just tried out dejavu sans condensed :) [01:53] guess it's fairly ok [01:53] ah ok :) [01:53] it's more readable than whatever is called "sans serif" here === NoDgr [n=nod@ppp6-adsl-221.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] using apple monaco for a fixed width === freetux [n=freetux@rc137-1-82-233-159-138.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] mornfall: found another user who has the adept-not-loading-from-the-menu bug [02:02] might get him to try the updated version - although i'm not sure if he's currently on breezy or dapper [02:02] Hobbsee: 1.91 cases of it are interesting [02:03] that's the deb that was installed by hand? [02:03] Hobbsee: the only guy who could reproduce it and it wasn't the application/octet-stream problem had it go away with latest dapper [02:03] Hobbsee: 1.91* [02:03] Hobbsee: eg current dapper :] [02:03] yep, cool [02:17] oh well...killed off 3 bugs, and marked some more as need-info. [02:22] that's enough for one night lol [02:24] Riddell: actually there was a settings file in kubuntu-default-settings for crunch ... do you think I could remove it now that tonio fixed the font sizes in dapper? [02:29] Hobbsee: can you try speedcrunch and tell me how the default style seems to you? [02:30] does anyone know where can i find tonio's kaffeine package ? === My8os [n=kvirc@ppp84-adsl-215.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [02:30] raphink: looks very nice, maybe the fonts are a little big though [02:30] hehe [02:30] default is 9 [02:30] kubuntu default is 20 [02:30] ;) [02:30] no, wait... [02:31] hehe yeah - the 20's quite big... [02:31] I think 9 is fine now that dpi was fixed [02:31] raphink: i dont know about saving the variables and history though [02:31] the variables, particularly [02:33] well this is default [02:33] raphink: the reasoning being: if you wanted to keep the calculations and variables, then wouldnt you leave speedcrunch open? [02:33] ah ok [02:33] Hobbsee: I'm mostly concerned about this huge font actually, which is left from breezy config [02:33] when everything was huge [02:33] definetly [02:33] do you think 9 would be fine? [02:33] or something in betweeN [02:33] ? [02:34] 9 being what you have when you choose default in config [02:34] raphink: dpi was fixed, [02:34] ? [02:34] i think it should probably be whatever you've specified, with the global kde fonts [02:34] personally, i use around 11 [02:34] well it was fixed to 100 verwilst === verwilst uses 9 [02:35] why's that? [02:35] was fixed to 96, you mean [02:35] yes [02:35] verwilst: so it was the same as gnome [02:35] 96 sorry [02:35] ah [02:35] i always thought gnome had nicer fonts than kde [02:35] which really does look way better...on either DM [02:35] verwilst: which fonts does gnome use? [02:35] same fonts [02:35] but they looked nicer :) [02:35] sharper [02:35] lol [02:36] so maybe it was the dpi === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-242-196.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] yes, i rather like the sharp + shinyness of gnome... [02:36] or otherwise they have a better fontrenderer in gtk than qt ;) [02:36] pitti: around? we have urgent issue to solve [02:37] Pygi: i think you meant that in -motu [02:37] er, or not - he's not in either channel [02:37] gah, in -devel I thought :) === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall giggles [02:45] mornfall: hehe! djib, by any chance? [02:45] by two chances too [02:45] was cute === Hobbsee thought that uBOTu was fairly obvious, as was uBUGtu... [02:46] Hobbsee: nah === Hobbsee makes a mental note to go to bed before 2am today... [02:51] Hobbsee: why? [02:51] two questions: [02:51] hi folks [02:52] raphink: because i keep trying to fall asleep in the lectures at uni! [02:52] hey jeroenvrp [02:52] 1. I installed Kerry and beagle: how to force beagle indexing now? [02:52] hehe [02:52] 2. I though there is a kio-beagle now, cant find it. where is it? [02:52] I'm not sure it's uploaded yet jeroenvrp [02:52] ok [02:53] and q1? [02:53] raphink: chem textbooks make great pillows, you know :P unfortunately, those bench writing things on the chairs dont - if you lean forwards on them, they tip forward, bang your legs, and shove all your stuff onto the ground - oh, and they make a large noise :P [02:53] which is kinda embarrasing in a 400 people lecture... [02:53] I guess [02:56] jeroenvrp: just launch kerry [02:56] try a searc h [02:56] Hobbsee: studying chemistry? [02:56] click launch daemon now [02:56] mornfall: only first semester. i'm doign a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics [02:56] raphink: i read lunch daemon :| [02:57] Hobbsee: is that 2 separate studies or the chem thing is part of that? [02:57] ah I needed to press enter :-) [02:57] same study [02:57] i had one elective, which was chem [02:57] you only get to pick one course at will? [02:57] so this semester i'm doing a computer programming unit, advanced maths, physics, and introductory chem (which is rather boring) [02:58] algebra? [02:58] mornfall: the degree i'm doing is very prescribed - ie, i have to do specific subjects to get the degree [02:58] ah, yeah, one half is, the other half is calculus [02:58] mornfall: lol [02:58] (ugh!) [02:58] eww calculus [02:58] yes, evil calculus! [02:58] beagled --debug /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --bg [02:58] .exe!? [02:59] Mono weirdness, apparently. [03:00] indeed [03:01] hmmm [03:01] selecting lines in kerry is not very nice [03:01] cause the select color is blue [03:01] Hobbsee: how advanced calculus? i still can't do anything much about even basic integrals and that's after passing 2 exams in calculus :] [03:01] and so is the link color too [03:01] Hobbsee: admittedly, they were very easy [03:01] calculus is the easiest math you get at this school :) [03:01] mornfall: more advanced than that, i suspect. [03:01] hehe [03:02] since, umm, noone in CS really needs calculus right? :) [03:02] mornfall: http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~wchen/lnfycfolder/lnfyc.html [03:02] true, but i'm not doign CS hehe [03:02] i think the closest it got when you used a limit in complexity theory [03:03] Hobbsee: about same as mine (calculus) -- the catch is that the exam does not even remotely contain all the stuff that is lectured [03:03] ah ok [03:04] Hobbsee: you're in uni right? [03:04] raphink: yes === mornfall notes he's noone's dear friend and especially not of some barrister david luagard [03:04] what year? === faked [n=faked@83-65-236-252.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall notes he's very glad his calculus was that easy [03:05] calculus = nightmare [03:06] Hobbsee: I mean : the link you gave is for uni students ? [03:06] raphink: yes [03:06] wow [03:06] that's only first year, first semester [03:06] raphink: what [03:06] I go over all this with students 2 years before uni [03:06] well integration by parts is done the year beforre entering uni actually [03:07] raphink: yeah, the problem is that they won't know much of that by the time they actually get to the uni, no? :-) [03:07] sure they do [03:07] a student who gets in uni here is supposed to know how to integrate [03:08] raphink: how to integrate and how to prove mean value theorem is a different kettle of fish :) [03:08] they're stupposed to know the mean value theorem too [03:08] before uni [03:08] s/stupposed/supposed/ [03:08] not how to prove it, but at least how to use it [03:09] unless the programs have changed much since I entered uni [03:09] ;) [03:09] also note that this is not math degree programme [03:09] raphink: same here, i've forgotten a lot though [03:09] okk [03:09] and our uni/school thing is different to yours === mornfall has forgotten everything [03:09] hehe [03:10] even if i wouldn't i wouldn't admit remembering it [03:10] Hobbsee: thankfully, ours is getting worse and worse by the year [03:10] http://handbook.mq.edu.au/programofstudy.php?code=OPTL01 [03:10] is the degree [03:10] otherwise someone would pop out of nowhere and want me to integrate something [03:10] mornfall: I have forgotten pretty much everything too, but I remember I knew it then ;) [03:10] raphink: that settings file does thing like fix colours [03:10] raphink: that's the point yes :) [03:10] although i've been teaching integration last friday :) [03:10] raphink: they keep having to take stuff out, and make the exams shorter, cos they took out an entire term, for teh exams... and so much of it's watered down that it has to be retaught at uni [03:11] Riddell: it seems to me it only fixes teh font size [03:11] Riddell: and it adds some history too, for a reason I ignore [03:11] Hobbsee: well, i guess it goes like that everywhere [03:11] since history can't be seen in crunch, but that defines existing variables the user ignores [03:12] true [03:12] Hobbsee: it's the part of nature making the bigger and better idiots part of big scheme of things [03:12] hehe [03:13] night all... [03:13] it's not like anyone would ever need to integrate in real life [03:13] Riddell: I'll have a diff [03:13] Hobbsee: good night [03:13] unless he needs to compute area of circle [03:13] and can't find tables [03:13] :) [03:14] hehe [03:16] http://pastebin.com/628682 Riddell [03:16] this is the diff [03:16] between the "normal" rc and the kubuntu one [03:16] so as you said it modifies some colours [03:17] it also modifies history and variables, which imo is not good since the user doesn't know it [03:17] and it's useless [03:17] Riddell: crunch adds settings one by one when required, so I'd rather go for a minimal rc file in k-d-s [03:17] only defining the colours [03:18] and the EvaluateButton=true [03:18] raphink: fair enough [03:19] but then [03:19] Riddell: well I don't feel at ease with activating custom appearance by default [03:19] users will just go to the config and feel like the default look has been altered [03:20] although they'vev changed nothing [03:20] maybe the alternate look could be defined but not used ? :s === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] raphink: the point of the custom look was, as I remember, that the fonts were too small and the colouring had no contrast so you couldn't see it [03:22] now you can [03:22] so there's no point anymore [03:22] the fonts have been fixed by Tonio KDE-wide [03:22] so 20 is now too big [03:22] and the contrast seems ok to me now [03:22]