[12:04] <Lure> I did remove eveyrthing (libnl1*, libnm*, network-manager*, wpasupplicant) and then installed fresh
[12:04] <Lure> everything just work
[12:04] <Lure> even with old knm
[12:07] <Lure> Tonio_: why is package 0.99 if their version is 0.1?
[12:07] <Tonio__> Lure: that was it
[12:08] <Tonio__> Lure: because when 0.1 will be release, version will not be prior to 1.0rbla
[12:08] <Tonio_> Lure: do you have vpn options ?
[12:08] <Riddell> Lure: able to try this out? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: want to revu knetworkmanager ?
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, int a bit
[12:09] <Riddell> got 3.5.2 to upload first
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, thanks :)
[12:09] <kwwii> night all..really busy day tomorrow
[12:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: nite :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:11] <Lure> Tonio_: do not get version 0.99 > 0.1, therefore if they release 0.2 it will not upgrade
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: arf ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> 0.0.99
[12:12] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> sorry for the error
[12:12] <Tonio_> 0.1~rbla should do the job ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> rebuilding
[12:12] <Lure> Tonio_:  true, even better
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: E: knetworkmanager source: bad-version-number 0.1~r5961-0ubuntu1
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that normal ?
[12:16] <Lure> Riddell: will try, but Debian package require kwin-style-crystal + k-d-s and k-d to remove
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks ok to me
[12:17] <Riddell> hello yuriy 
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[12:20] <Lure> Riddell: first feeling is positive - but you need to dsiable transperancy
[12:21] <Riddell> Lure: yes, we'll do that by default
[12:21] <Riddell> but it fixes the problem when you've done that?
[12:22] <Lure> Riddell: it is much better, still kwin gets in top high, but not near as high as before
[12:23] <Lure> I need to test desktop thing after reboot - will be back soon to report....
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_: you need n-m-vpn packages for VPN
[12:24] <Lure> here is one private repo: http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager/
[12:25] <Tonio_> lureokay, testing :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> lure
[12:56] <Tonio_> rahhhhhh
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fyi, I can confirm you knetworkmanager works with vpn :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> the only poblem is that the vpn config dialog is gtk based.....
[12:57] <Tonio_> and requires gconf......
[12:57] <Tonio_> but that works
[01:50] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[01:51] <jeroenvrp> I think this question has ask before: how long does it normally take when a package is in the repos (after it is in the rss-feed)?
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> rss-feed=dapper-changes mailinglist
[01:54] <jeroenvrp> i'm using http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[03:34] <DoeRayMe> hey everyone, does anyone know if Kaffeine 0.8 will make it into Dapper? or will that get into +1?
[03:47] <Riddell> we don't know, it's not a priority
[03:47] <Riddell> and does add bugs
[03:48] <DoeRayMe> ahh ok thanks for letting me know
[03:49] <DoeRayMe> good work with Kubuntu btw, its getting real nice now :)
[04:39] <yuriy> (a little late for the previous conversation) it's not possible to add any more bugs to kaffeine IMO even if the newer version has new bugs, I would hope that more bugs would be fixed than could possibly be introduced.  I don't normally use kaffeine for anything, but I gave it a shot the other day and it crashed with just about every file I tried to open.  I was thinking wow "kaffeine crashes when playing ANYTHING", but turned th
[04:39] <yuriy> atabase
[04:40] <yuriy> *turned out
[05:53] <robotgeek> yuriy: kaffeine works great for me
[05:54] <robotgeek> Riddell: around pong?
[06:22] <seaLne> any ideas what a "web shortcut" is? malone #37099
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37099 in kdebase konqueror "Web shortcuts not working with uppercase letters" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37099
[06:23] <robotgeek> seaLne: try lpbug:37099 in konqueror
[06:25] <robotgeek> err, that doesn't work
[06:26] <seaLne> ah right like gg: etc
[06:26] <robotgeek> yup
[07:02] <hendry> where is the bzr tree for kubuntu-default-settings?
[08:34] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[08:35] <freeflying> hey Lure it's 6:34 AM for Riddell , hehe 
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: my KDE session got messed up completely after installing new crystal.deb and removing kwin-crystal-style
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: and depending k-desktop and k-d-s
[08:35] <Lure> freeflying: I know, but I may not be here latter ;-)
[08:36] <Tm_T> moin
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T 
[08:36] <Lure> freeflying: and he has plenty to do so I cannot understand how he can afford sleep ;-)
[08:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: :)
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe @ Lure 
[08:37] <freeflying> Lure: haha, he also like us , he just a man 
[08:37] <Lure> Riddell: I should have used dpkg-divert instead or removing kwin-crystal-style - now I know that ;-)
[08:37] <Lure> I just home Flight6 will be out soon so that I can do fresh install
[08:38] <Lure> s/home/hope/
[08:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:38] <Hobbsee> or just install off whatever you have...
[08:46] <yuriy> for bugs or wishes that were filed by breezy users and are now fixed in dapper, should those be marked "fix released" even if the reporter can't tell if their problem was solved?
[08:46] <yuriy> this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/32350 for example
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32350 in kdebase konqueror "No menu entry and hotkey binding to "Find file..." in file manager mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[08:50] <crimsun> yes, mark it fix released
[08:50] <crimsun> the submitter can always revert it if (s)he feels differently
[08:57] <yuriy> thanks. realized though that that particular one isn't quite fixed. ctrl-f still doesn't get you to find file.
[08:58] <seaLne> yuriy: i don't see display in system settings, but you do?
[09:00] <yuriy> seaLne: i do see it. that's kind of been confusing me -- i've seen a lot of problems about that module but haven't had any of them myself.
[09:00] <seaLne> i don't see it at home or at work
[09:01] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:04] <seaLne> when i get into work i'll restart into the new kde packages, but i presume they are just really rebuilt against 3.3.6, to check again
[09:06] <yuriy> seaLne: you have kde-guidance installed?
[09:06] <seaLne> yep
[10:06] <Hobbsee> verwilst: smart which?
[10:06] <verwilst> the apt-get replacement
[10:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:08] <Hobbsee> havent heard of an apt-get replacement
[10:29] <theine> Hi, what's the reason for kdvi not being in main?
[10:34] <seaLne> yuriy: hmm at work i have display back, weird
[10:36] <seaLne> minor heart attack after restarting kde and nothing happened blank kicker, but portmap had decided to bind to localhost so nfs wasn't working
[10:46] <verwilst> man, yakuake owns
[10:46] <verwilst> see yaaaaaa konsole
[10:46] <verwilst> ;)
[11:15] <superstoned> yuriy: i think the reporter of bug 32350 (ctrl-F for find file) is right - that shortcut should do exactly that. maybe bug Riddell about it...
[11:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32350 in kdebase konqueror "No menu entry and hotkey binding to "Find file..." in file manager mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32350
[11:16] <superstoned> yeah, verwilst, yakuake rulez :D
[11:18] <verwilst> i really love it
[11:18] <verwilst> i even removed konsole from my taskbar :d
[11:30] <seaLne> superstoned: i have a find file menu entry, not sure if that has stayed around from before tho
[11:30] <superstoned> seaLne: where?
[11:30] <superstoned> i don't have it, at least i can't find it...
[11:30] <superstoned> i only see the filters
[11:31] <superstoned> now beagle/kerry works (and is eating all my RAM) i wouldn't need a find function, but i guess anyone without 1 gig ram simply can't run beagle, so find would be usefull for them...
[11:31] <seaLne> superstoned: www2.duffus.org/tmp/kmenu.png
[11:32] <superstoned> aaah you're talking about the Kmenu
[11:32] <superstoned> tought it should be in konqueror's edit menu :D
[11:32] <seaLne> aren't they?
[11:32] <superstoned> nope
[11:32] <superstoned> nothing in konqi
[11:32] <seaLne> ah sorry just re read it
[11:33] <superstoned> no, its ok
[11:33] <seaLne> isn't ctr-f for find text in file?
[11:33] <superstoned> try it...
[11:33] <superstoned> does nothing in filebrowsing mode
[11:34] <seaLne> well it wouldn't as there is no text
[11:34] <superstoned> if you opened a file (embedded), i guess yes. lets see if these two bit each other...
[11:34] <superstoned> they don't bite - ctrl f in filebrowsing now shows me the "find file" thingie above the files, and if i view a textfile (embedded) the find text dialogue pops up.
[11:35] <superstoned> i think ctrl-F should definately allow for searching files.
[11:35] <superstoned> we have the dirfilter now, but it only searches through the current folder, not 'deeper' and not IN textfiles, as the find function can do.
[11:40] <hunger> Great! You got rid of the xmms dependency in kde 3.5.2 as seen in main!
[11:41] <Tm_T> hm
[11:42] <Tm_T> hunger: but atleast here when I upgraded to 3.5.2 xmms was installed :o
[11:42] <hunger> Tm_T: It was for me too, when I used the kde 3.5.2 debs from some strange repository.
[11:43] <Tm_T> strange repository like kubuntu.org ;)
[11:43] <hunger> Tm_T: After upgrading to those in main that dependency vanished and debfoster cleaned out xmms.
[11:43] <hunger> Tm_T: Yes, something like that:-)
[11:43] <Tm_T> heh
[11:44] <Tm_T> it was kdeaddons that got xmms dependency, I think
[11:44] <hunger> That and kubuntu.no-ip.org
[11:44] <hunger> Tm_T: kicker-applets dragged xmms in.
[11:44] <Tm_T> ah yes!
[11:44] <hunger> Tm_T: IIRC there is one applet to control xmms.
[11:45] <Tm_T> there is
[11:46] <hunger> Well, applets seem to get out of vogue anyway... I get lots of systray icons nowadays but hardly any applets anymore.
[11:46] <Tm_T> heh
[11:46] <hunger> And the applets way much nicer... at least you could move them separately.
[11:46] <Tm_T> mediacontrol applet or something like that
[11:46] <hunger> s/way/were/
[11:46] <Tm_T> I have minimum set of applets in kicker, no icons
[11:47] <Tm_T> but 3 in systray (rest hidden)
[11:48] <hunger> Plus the clock, wastebin and taskbar applets (are those applets?)
[11:48] <Tm_T> yup
[11:48] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[11:48] <Tm_T> kmenu, taskbar, systray, clock
[11:49] <hunger> I used to have the panel vertically, too.
[11:49] <Tm_T> :)
[11:49] <hunger> But then it gets soooo wide if you add the taskbar to it.
[11:50] <hunger> If you keep the taskbar horizontal, then you can add the rest there just as well... and get rid of the vertical panel.
[11:52] <Tm_T> hunger: I like the way it is here, doesn't use much space and still have all I need
[11:53] <hunger> Tm_T: It limits the width of fullscreen windows (which I use for scribus or such apps only).
[11:54] <hunger> Tm_T: Of course you usually need more vertical space for those apps anyway.
[11:55] <Tm_T> hunger: it doesn't limit, if you don't care if kicker is hidden
[11:55] <Tm_T> but, 82px from 1400px ... nothing ;)
[12:08] <hendry> Riddell: is KOffice 1.5 going into dapper?
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i should be preparing to get a bunch of useless reports in launchpad? :] 
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mornfall: probably
[12:34] <Hobbsee> better than on the forums, then have them whine about them not getting fixed
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mornfall: is this guy a painful bugwriter, or something?
[12:35] <mornfall> Hobbsee: no idea, i only infer from what is written in #kubuntu
[12:36] <mornfall> sudo kill -9 -1 :]  (don't try that at home kids)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[12:37] <mornfall> Hobbsee: terminate everything
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:27] <ubijtsa2> kscreensaver-xsavers is not upgradeable atm
[01:27] <ubijtsa2> have raised bug on that
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: yes, i can confirm that - got a bug #?
[01:33] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: one sec
[01:34] <ubijtsa2> bug #37146
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37146 in kdeartwork kscreensaver-xsavers "can not install/update package" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37146
[01:34] <Hobbsee>  if there's a bug in a ubuntu package, and it's linked to a bug upstream, which is marked as fix released, and the problem is not still occuring, i can mark the bug as fix released, right?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: is the kde 3.5.2 in main, or via separate repo?
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: dunno, is it fix released only when fix hits ubuntu repos?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: uhrrm.. let me check
[01:36] <ubijtsa2> main by the looks of it
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ah ok, cool
[01:38] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: do you happen to use the history function in kopete?
[01:39] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: I switched to centericq as it was console based
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:39] <ubijtsa2> hard to run kopete and leave it in a screen session ;)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:40] <freeflying> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=114361705931363&w=2
[01:40] <ubijtsa2> about ruddy time we got that capability in X..
[01:40] <ubijtsa2> so we can resume an app running on screen at one computer if logging in from another
[01:43] <Hobbsee> yep, i think i can :D
[01:43] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: it's fairly nontrivial
[01:43] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: if you can sponsor me for some year, i may be able to come up with neccessary qt+kde patches ;-)
[01:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: :-)
[01:48] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: *grin*
[01:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:48] <mornfall> ow
[01:48] <mornfall> battery crying
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :(
[01:49] <mornfall> i do have ac -- just was too lazy to plug it :] 
[01:51] <mornfall> can someone advise me a general (non-fixed width) font that looks good around 6-7pt size? lcd screen, subpixel, ~100dpi
[01:51] <Hobbsee> and another bug bites the dust....
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i like dejavu sans, but i think it's more personal preference than anything else
[01:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i just tried out dejavu sans condensed :)
[01:53] <mornfall> guess it's fairly ok
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok :)
[01:53] <mornfall> it's more readable than whatever is called "sans serif" here
[01:54] <mornfall> using apple monaco for a fixed width
[02:02] <Hobbsee> mornfall: found another user who has the adept-not-loading-from-the-menu bug
[02:02] <Hobbsee> might get him to try the updated version - although i'm not sure if he's currently on breezy or dapper
[02:02] <mornfall> Hobbsee: 1.91 cases of it are interesting
[02:03] <Hobbsee> that's the deb that was installed by hand?
[02:03] <mornfall> Hobbsee: the only guy who could reproduce it and it wasn't the application/octet-stream problem had it go away with latest dapper
[02:03] <mornfall> Hobbsee: 1.91*
[02:03] <mornfall> Hobbsee: eg current dapper :] 
[02:03] <Hobbsee> yep, cool
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh well...killed off 3 bugs, and marked some more as need-info.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> that's enough for one night lol
[02:24] <raphink> Riddell: actually there was a settings file in kubuntu-default-settings for crunch ... do you think I could remove it now that tonio fixed the font sizes in dapper?
[02:29] <raphink> Hobbsee: can you try speedcrunch and tell me how the default style seems to you?
[02:30] <fabo> does anyone know where can i find tonio's kaffeine package ?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> raphink: looks very nice, maybe the fonts are a little big though
[02:30] <raphink> hehe
[02:30] <raphink> default is 9
[02:30] <raphink> kubuntu default is 20
[02:30] <raphink> ;)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> no, wait...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah - the 20's quite big...
[02:31] <raphink> I think 9 is fine now that dpi was fixed
[02:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: i dont know about saving the variables and history though
[02:31] <Hobbsee> the variables, particularly
[02:33] <raphink> well this is default
[02:33] <Hobbsee> raphink: the reasoning being:  if you wanted to keep the calculations and variables, then wouldnt you leave speedcrunch open?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:33] <raphink> Hobbsee: I'm mostly concerned about this huge font actually, which is left from breezy config
[02:33] <raphink> when everything was huge 
[02:33] <Hobbsee> definetly
[02:33] <raphink> do you think 9 would be fine?
[02:33] <raphink> or something in betweeN
[02:33] <raphink> ?
[02:34] <raphink> 9 being what you have when you choose default in config
[02:34] <verwilst> raphink: dpi was fixed,
[02:34] <verwilst> ?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> i think it should probably be whatever you've specified, with the global kde fonts
[02:34] <Hobbsee> personally, i use around 11
[02:34] <raphink> well it was fixed to 100 verwilst
[02:35] <verwilst> why's that?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> was fixed to 96, you mean
[02:35] <raphink> yes
[02:35] <Hobbsee> verwilst: so it was the same as gnome
[02:35] <raphink> 96 sorry
[02:35] <verwilst> ah
[02:35] <verwilst> i always thought gnome had nicer fonts than kde
[02:35] <Hobbsee> which really does look way better...on either DM
[02:35] <Hobbsee> verwilst: which fonts does gnome use?
[02:35] <verwilst> same fonts
[02:35] <verwilst> but they looked nicer :)
[02:35] <verwilst> sharper
[02:35] <raphink> lol
[02:36] <verwilst> so maybe it was the dpi
[02:36] <Hobbsee> yes, i rather like the sharp + shinyness of gnome...
[02:36] <verwilst> or otherwise they have a better fontrenderer in gtk than qt ;)
[02:36] <Pygi> pitti: around? we have urgent issue to solve
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Pygi: i think you meant that in -motu
[02:37] <Hobbsee> er, or not - he's not in either channel
[02:37] <Pygi> gah, in -devel I thought :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe!  djib, by any chance?
[02:45] <mornfall> by two chances too
[02:45] <mornfall> was cute
[02:46] <mornfall> Hobbsee: nah
[02:51] <raphink> Hobbsee: why?
[02:51] <jeroenvrp> two questions:
[02:51] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[02:52] <Hobbsee> raphink: because i keep trying to fall asleep in the lectures at uni!
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hey jeroenvrp 
[02:52] <jeroenvrp> 1. I installed Kerry and beagle: how to force beagle indexing now?
[02:52] <raphink> hehe
[02:52] <jeroenvrp> 2. I though there is a kio-beagle now, cant find it. where is it?
[02:52] <raphink> I'm not sure it's uploaded yet jeroenvrp
[02:52] <jeroenvrp> ok
[02:53] <jeroenvrp> and q1?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> raphink: chem textbooks make great pillows, you know :P  unfortunately, those bench writing things on the chairs dont - if you lean forwards on them, they tip forward, bang your legs, and shove all your stuff onto the ground - oh, and they make a large noise :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> which is kinda embarrasing in a 400 people lecture...
[02:53] <raphink> I guess
[02:56] <raphink> jeroenvrp: just launch kerry
[02:56] <raphink> try a searc h
[02:56] <mornfall> Hobbsee: studying chemistry?
[02:56] <raphink> click launch daemon now 
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mornfall: only first semester.  i'm doign a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics
[02:56] <mornfall> raphink: i read lunch daemon :|
[02:57] <mornfall> Hobbsee: is that 2 separate studies or the chem thing is part of that?
[02:57] <jeroenvrp> ah I needed to press enter :-)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> same study
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i had one elective, which was chem
[02:57] <mornfall> you only get to pick one course at will?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> so this semester i'm doing a computer programming unit, advanced maths, physics, and introductory chem (which is rather boring)
[02:58] <mornfall> algebra?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> mornfall: the degree i'm doing is very prescribed - ie, i have to do specific subjects to get the degree
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ah, yeah, one half is, the other half is calculus
[02:58] <raphink> mornfall: lol
[02:58] <Hobbsee> (ugh!)
[02:58] <mornfall> eww calculus
[02:58] <Hobbsee> yes, evil calculus!
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> beagled --debug /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --bg
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> .exe!?
[02:59] <sebas> Mono weirdness, apparently.
[03:00] <raphink> indeed
[03:01] <raphink> hmmm
[03:01] <raphink> selecting lines in kerry is not very nice
[03:01] <raphink> cause the select color is blue
[03:01] <mornfall> Hobbsee: how advanced calculus? i still can't do anything much about even basic integrals and that's after passing 2 exams in calculus :] 
[03:01] <raphink> and so is the link color too
[03:01] <mornfall> Hobbsee: admittedly, they were very easy
[03:01] <mornfall> calculus is the easiest math you get at this school :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: more advanced than that, i suspect.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <mornfall> since, umm, noone in CS really needs calculus right? :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> mornfall: http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~wchen/lnfycfolder/lnfyc.html
[03:02] <Hobbsee> true, but i'm not doign CS hehe
[03:02] <mornfall> i think the closest it got when you used a limit in complexity theory
[03:03] <mornfall> Hobbsee: about same as mine (calculus) -- the catch is that the exam does not even remotely contain all the stuff that is lectured
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:04] <raphink> Hobbsee: you're in uni right?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> raphink: yes
[03:04] <raphink> what year?
[03:05] <mornfall> calculus = nightmare
[03:06] <raphink> Hobbsee: I mean : the link you gave is for uni students ?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> raphink: yes
[03:06] <raphink> wow
[03:06] <Hobbsee> that's only first year, first semester
[03:06] <mornfall> raphink: what
[03:06] <raphink> I go over all this with students 2 years before uni
[03:06] <raphink> well integration by parts is done the year beforre entering uni actually
[03:07] <mornfall> raphink: yeah, the problem is that they won't know much of that by the time they actually get to the uni, no? :-)
[03:07] <raphink> sure they do
[03:07] <raphink> a student who gets in uni here is supposed to know how to integrate
[03:08] <mornfall> raphink: how to integrate and how to prove mean value theorem is a different kettle of fish :)
[03:08] <raphink> they're stupposed to know the mean value theorem too
[03:08] <raphink> before uni 
[03:08] <raphink> s/stupposed/supposed/
[03:08] <raphink> not how to prove it, but at least how to use it
[03:09] <raphink> unless the programs have changed much since I entered uni
[03:09] <raphink> ;)
[03:09] <mornfall> also note that this is not math degree programme
[03:09] <Hobbsee> raphink: same here, i've forgotten a lot though
[03:09] <raphink> okk
[03:09] <Hobbsee> and our uni/school thing is different to yours
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <mornfall> even if i wouldn't i wouldn't admit remembering it
[03:10] <raphink> Hobbsee: thankfully, ours is getting worse and worse by the year
[03:10] <Hobbsee> http://handbook.mq.edu.au/programofstudy.php?code=OPTL01
[03:10] <Hobbsee> is the degree
[03:10] <mornfall> otherwise someone would pop out of nowhere and want me to integrate something
[03:10] <raphink> mornfall: I have forgotten pretty much everything too, but I remember I knew it then ;)
[03:10] <Riddell> raphink: that settings file does thing like fix colours
[03:10] <mornfall> raphink: that's the point yes :)
[03:10] <raphink> although i've been teaching integration last friday :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> raphink: they keep having to take stuff out, and make the exams shorter, cos they took out an entire term, for teh exams... and so much of it's watered down that it has to be retaught at uni
[03:11] <raphink> Riddell: it seems to me it only fixes teh font size
[03:11] <raphink> Riddell: and it adds some history too, for a reason I ignore
[03:11] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, i guess it goes like that everywhere
[03:11] <raphink> since history can't be seen in crunch, but that defines existing variables the user ignores
[03:12] <Hobbsee> true
[03:12] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it's the part of nature making the bigger and better idiots part of big scheme of things
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:13] <Hobbsee> night all...
[03:13] <mornfall> it's not like anyone would ever need to integrate in real life
[03:13] <raphink> Riddell: I'll have a diff 
[03:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: good night
[03:13] <mornfall> unless he needs to compute area of circle
[03:13] <mornfall> and can't find tables
[03:13] <mornfall> :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:16] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/628682 Riddell
[03:16] <raphink> this is the diff
[03:16] <raphink> between the "normal" rc and the kubuntu one
[03:16] <raphink> so as you said it modifies some colours
[03:17] <raphink> it also modifies history and variables, which imo is not good since the user doesn't know it
[03:17] <raphink> and it's useless
[03:17] <raphink> Riddell: crunch adds settings one by one when required, so I'd rather go for a minimal rc file in k-d-s
[03:17] <raphink> only defining the colours
[03:18] <raphink> and the EvaluateButton=true
[03:18] <Riddell> raphink: fair enough
[03:19] <raphink> but then 
[03:19] <raphink> Riddell: well I don't feel at ease with activating custom appearance by default
[03:19] <raphink> users will just go to the config and feel like the default look has been altered
[03:20] <raphink> although they'vev changed  nothing
[03:20] <raphink> maybe the alternate look could be defined but not used ? :s
[03:21] <Riddell> raphink: the point of the custom look was, as I remember, that the fonts were too small and the colouring had no contrast so you couldn't see it
[03:22] <raphink> now you can
[03:22] <raphink> so there's no point anymore
[03:22] <raphink> the fonts have been fixed by Tonio KDE-wide
[03:22] <raphink> so 20 is now too big
[03:22] <raphink> and the contrast seems ok to me now
[03:22] <raphink> with the new blue
[03:23] <raphink> or do you mean the contrast in that you don't see much of a difference between the diff colours when typing?
[03:25] <raphink> Riddell: how about http://pastebin.com/628695 then?
[03:25] <Riddell> raphink: perfect :)
[03:26] <raphink> ok :)
[03:27] <raphink> Riddell: shall I switch to 6.06 numbering at the same time ?
[03:28] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, go for it
[03:28] <raphink> so 
[03:28] <raphink> 6.06-1 ?
[03:30] <Riddell> yes
[03:31] <raphink> there it goes :)
[03:32] <Riddell> thanks
[03:32] <raphink> where is the debuild settings to have the proper hostname using dch and uupdate again?
[03:32] <raphink> instead of localhost
[03:33] <hunger> Will knetworkmanager make it into the normal archives soon?
[03:33] <Riddell> dch uses DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL
[03:33] <hunger> Tonio_ was working on it yesterday, wasn't he?
[03:33] <Riddell> where do you want it to use a hostname?
[03:34] <raphink> well when I use dch, it uses raphink@localhost as my address
[03:34] <raphink> so I should set DEBEMAIL ?
[03:34] <mornfall> -->
[03:34] <raphink> it used to work on my previous install
[03:34] <mornfall> laters
[03:34] <raphink> alters mornfall
[03:34] <raphink> laters ;)
[03:37] <Riddell> raphink: yes, man dch  to double check that variable
[03:37] <raphink> yep
[03:41] <raphink> Riddell: I have a tricky question ;)
[03:41] <raphink> hehe
[03:41] <raphink> about translations of  patch
[03:41] <raphink> of a patch sorry
[03:41] <raphink> when a program has been patched in kubuntu, with a string using i18n
[03:41] <raphink> where should the translation of this string go?
[03:42] <Riddell> raphink: into rosetta
[03:42] <raphink> to be more specific, kdesu was patched to display "Please enter your password". This uses i18n
[03:42] <raphink> ok
[03:42] <raphink> but kdesu is not on rosetta
[03:42] <Riddell> KDE is being imported into rosetta as we type
[03:42] <raphink> it seems
[03:42] <raphink> ok
[03:42] <raphink> :)
[03:42] <raphink> great
[03:42] <raphink> about the default config again, did you have a look at kerry yet?
[03:42] <Riddell> but its best to avoid patching i18n for that reason
[03:43] <Riddell> I've not looked at kerry's config, no
[03:43] <raphink> ok
[03:43] <raphink> it's a very nice app
[03:43] <raphink> except the contrast is very bad
[03:44] <Riddell> the blue on blue is quite painful#
[03:44] <raphink> the links are blue and so is the highlight color
[03:44] <raphink> hehe ;)
[03:44] <raphink> it's unreadable
[03:44] <raphink> I'm not sure this can be set easily
[03:44] <raphink> I see no config menu
[03:54] <Tm_T> meh
[03:54] <Tm_T> 16:12 < Otter> dpkg: error processing  /var/cache/apt/archives/kscreensaver-xsavers_4%3a3.5.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:55] <Tm_T> 16:12 < Otter> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/KBanner.desktop', which is  also in package kscreensaver
[03:55] <Tm_T> overlapping packages
[03:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: that's been reported, no idea how it could have broken I didn't change anything, but I'll fix it soon
[03:57] <Tm_T> thanks
[03:57] <Tm_T> just checked if it's known ;)
[03:58] <Riddell> actually checking my e-mail lots of people have reported it :)
[03:59] <Tm_T> =)
[03:59] <Riddell> wonder how it never got picked up by the testers
[03:59] <Tm_T> sorry, I should mentioned it yesterday
[04:00] <raphink> the same happened wiith kaddressbook too
[04:00] <raphink> to me
[04:00] <raphink> and all of a sudden after a few tries, it worked
[04:00] <Riddell> raphink: what happened?
[04:00] <raphink> dunno why
[04:00] <raphink> seems more like an apt problem
[04:00] <raphink> ah no it's not the same
[04:00] <raphink> I had a problem upgrading kaddressbook
[04:01] <raphink> it kept upgrading to the same version
[04:01] <raphink> and I thought it might be linked to the fact that the version numbered showed 4%3a3.5.2-0ubuntu1
[04:01] <raphink> instead of 4:a3.5.2-0ubuntu
[04:01] <raphink> instead of 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu
[04:01] <raphink> sorry
[04:02] <Tm_T> hmm, klirc and konsolecalendar was in upgrade loop here
[04:02] <Tm_T> so I just removed both
[04:14] <raphink> hmm
[04:14] <raphink> the problem with kerry is only that it should turn highlited links to white
[04:57] <Tm_T> bug 1
[04:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:57] <Tm_T> :(
[05:00] <Pygi> Tm_T: hm?
[05:01] <Tm_T> hm what
[05:02] <Pygi> bah, nothing
[05:17] <Pygi> Lure, Tonio_: around? ;)
[05:21] <jeroenvrp> was there somewhere a kopete beta 2 packahe around for dapper?
[05:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: had them
[05:22] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: you had a beta2 kopete package?
[05:22] <Tm_T> yup
[05:23] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/kopete_3.5.2-kopete0.12-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:23] <jeroenvrp> can I download it somewhere?
[05:23] <jeroenvrp> thanks :-)
[05:23] <Tm_T> there
[05:23] <Tm_T> wget is your friend ;)
[05:24] <jeroenvrp> kget also :-)
[05:25] <Pygi> nah, wget is better ;)
[05:25] <jeroenvrp> I just clicket on it :-)
[05:27] <Tm_T> cli <3
[05:30] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: thanks, works fine
[05:36] <Tm_T> yay!
[05:38] <freeflying> Tm_T: why is kopete0.12-ubuntu1
[05:39] <Tm_T> because... ask Riddell =)
[05:39] <freeflying> Tm_T: it's should be 0ubuntu1
[05:40] <Tm_T> actually no
[05:40] <Tm_T> 0.12 have to be mentioned there
[05:40] <freeflying> kopete0.12-0ubuntu1
[05:40] <Tm_T> ah, hmm, yes
[05:40] <Tm_T> well, have to fix that some day :p
[05:40] <Tm_T> not home atm
[05:41] <raphink> can somebody tell me if the print key currently launched ksnapshot ?
[05:41] <raphink> I don't rememeber is that was fixed
[05:41] <Tm_T> freeflying: what's difference with 0 ?
[05:42] <raphink> somebody can try and tell me?
[05:44] <robotgeek> kscreensaver-xsavers conflicts with kscreensaver
[05:44] <Tm_T> yup
[05:49] <freeflying> Tm_T: it's ubuntu's policy :)
[05:58] <jjesse> is kaudiocreator still the default appliaction for ripping cds?  i know at one time there was converstaion about just using konqi
[05:58] <Riddell> Tm_T: the 0 is the debian version number
[05:58] <Riddell> Tm_T: but it should use a version number in line with kopete from kdenetwork
[05:59] <robotgeek> Riddell: you pinged me yesterday?
[06:00] <Riddell> I did?
[06:00] <Riddell> oh, sladen wanted a copy of yaboot.conf
[06:00] <Riddell> and you have a ppc
[06:02] <robotgeek> okay. i figure it's probably too late now :)
[06:02] <raphink> hmm I can provide a copy of yaboo.conf too ;)
[06:02] <raphink> yaboot
[06:21] <mornfall> so which of you is "Kenny Duffus"?
[06:21] <mornfall> seaLne: ha
[06:22] <mornfall> seaLne: you don't need to assign me bugs, i get all bugmail for ept in l(a)unchpad
[06:23] <seaLne> do you object to them being assigned to you? i think it looks better if bugs are assigned
[06:24] <mornfall> seaLne: well, not in principle, it's just an extra mail... maybe i should set up a folder for it :)
[06:25] <seaLne> i won't anymore if you don't want me to
[06:26] <Pygi> Tonio_: hi, let me bug you ^_^
[06:26] <mornfall> i don't know
[06:26] <mornfall> true it's probably nicer with users to assign their reports
[06:30] <uniq> hmm.. what's the name of the hot-plug media popup program again? 
[06:32] <Tonio_> hi all
[06:33] <mornfall> hi Tonio_ 
[06:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: may I bug you a second ?
[06:35] <Tonio_> I notice adept doesn't have a way to configure proxy for apt
[06:35] <Tonio_> does it auto use konqueror's setting, or is that a missing feature ?
[06:36] <seaLne> you'd need to set for instance Acquire::http::Proxy "http://www-cache.strath.ac.uk:8080/"; for apt
[06:37] <seaLne> i have it in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:37] <Tonio_> seaLne: I know that, but I was rememberring synaptic alows to config this
[06:37] <mornfall> Tonio_: i think there are two bugs open for that already
[06:37] <seaLne> ah right
[06:37] <seaLne> what i find annoying is the new installer asks you if you need a proxy then throws the info away
[06:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay ;) I was asking because I know adept will not change a lot between dapper and edgy
[06:37] <mornfall> edgy?
[06:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: is that in your plans to include this ? just for my curiosity :)
[06:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: the supposed codename for dapper+1
[06:38] <mornfall> if someone sends patches, why not
[06:38] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay (I will not cause I can't) ;)
[06:38] <mornfall> i will be probably working on more fun things :)
[06:39] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe
[06:39] <mornfall> and then i have to write bachelor's thesis in something like a year
[06:40] <mornfall> i can't decide if i want to continue adept development, hmh
[06:44] <Riddell> do a thesis on package management tools?
[06:44] <mornfall> not very likely
[06:44] <mornfall> it's not very interesting topic from theory POV is it?
[06:46] <mornfall> i specifically did not want to write a thesis on top of some silly GUI
[06:47] <mornfall> i wrote a java-based gui for verification tool in my lab... and was offered to base thesis on that
[06:47] <mornfall> but that's so admitting defeat
[06:51] <_Sime> raphink: ping
[06:51] <raphink> _Sime: wait a min 
[06:54] <raphink> _Sime: ok go on :)
[06:54] <_Sime> ok....
[06:54] <_Sime> do you have your G4 with you?
[06:55] <raphink> sure I'm on it right now
[06:55] <_Sime> cool. I think I know the solution to the your bug in guidance.
[06:55] <raphink> the display one?
[06:55] <_Sime> find the ScanPCI.py file and open it up.
[06:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: but there's no "official" debian package, so does that 0 matter?
[06:55] <raphink> ok 
[06:55] <raphink> where is it supposed to be _Sime?
[06:56] <_Sime> i think.
[06:56] <_Sime>    /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ScanPCI.py
[06:56] <raphink> ok it's open
[06:57] <raphink> now what ?
[06:57] <raphink> :)
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: hello
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkmanager is waiting for second advocation :) raphink already advocated :)
[06:57] <_Sime> raphink: go to line 133.
[06:58] <raphink> ok
[06:58] <_Sime> raphink: you see that long string? "@xxxxxxx"
[06:58] <raphink> on line 138 I see it
[06:58] <raphink> not on 133
[06:58] <_Sime> raphink: change the @ to a <. 
[06:58] <raphink> hmm 137 rather
[06:58] <raphink> ok
[06:58] <raphink> struct.unpack("<xxxxxxxxxBHxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxHH",buf)
[06:58] <raphink> instead of 
[06:59] <raphink> struct.unpack("@xxxxxxxxxBHxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxHH",buf)
[06:59] <raphink> right?
[06:59] <_Sime> raphink: save that, and try running displayconfig.py
[06:59] <_Sime> raphink: that's good.
[06:59] <raphink> it works
[06:59] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <raphink> kcmshell displayconfig
[07:00] <raphink> :)
[07:00] <_Sime> cool!
[07:00] <raphink> hehe well done :)
[07:00] <raphink> does it work on other archs this way too?
[07:00] <_Sime> that was it. It was an endian problem when up packing a struct.
[07:00] <_Sime> yeah,
[07:00] <raphink> ok 
[07:00] <raphink> so let's fix it this way?
[07:00] <_Sime> yep
[07:00] <raphink> do you have other fixes to apply ?
[07:01] <_Sime> it will be in the next release.
[07:01] <raphink> when is that?
[07:01] <_Sime> I've got some other bugs that i want to fix, and then it might be a good idea to package and test on #kubuntu-devel, and then to put it in the repository.
[07:02] <_Sime> within the next week.
[07:02] <raphink> send me the patches 
[07:02] <_Sime> why?
[07:02] <_Sime> you cna't wait?
[07:03] <raphink> sure I can :)
[07:03] <_Sime> there are a fair number of other changes in changelog, and I would like to get some quick feedback before the next version goes in kubuntu proper.
[07:04] <_Sime> was that bug of yours in malone?
[07:04] <raphink> I don't remember
[07:05] <_Sime> i don't think so
[07:06] <yuriy> superstoned: you don't have "Find file..." in tools in file manager profile?
[07:06] <yuriy> superstoned: I also agree that ctrl-F should be for find file. as far as bug Riddell about it, I think that's what the "bug" report is for ;)
[07:09] <Parkotron> _Sime: Could 1280x960 be added to the list of resolutions in the new Display module?
[07:10] <_Sime> Parkotron: where does it come front?
[07:10] <_Sime> from?
[07:10] <yuriy> is there now, by default, a shortcut to konqueror's file manager profile in dapper? I added the "konqueror profiles" applet to kicker myself quite a while ago so I don't know what the defaults are.
[07:11] <_Sime> Parkotron: I can add it, no prob.
[07:11] <Parkotron> _Sime: CRT monitors have a 4:3 aspect ratio. DFP have a 5:4 ratio.
[07:11] <Parkotron> _Sime: 1280x960 is the CRT equivalent of 1280x1024.
[07:11] <yuriy> or does system>home go to it?  the only entry for konqueror in the KMenu is for a web browser.  Since it's more importantly (for most people) the file manager I think it's kind of silly if there is no file manager shortcut for it.
[07:12] <_Sime> Parkotron: but 1280x1024 will still work on a CRT.
[07:12] <_Sime> Parkotron: is there a LCD out there that uses 1280x960?
[07:14] <Parkotron> _Sime: 1280x1024 still works, but the pixels are no longer square. They're slightly wider than they are tall. And. no I've never seen a 1280x960 LCD.
[07:34] <mornfall> Rob Dougan - I'm not driving anymore
[07:34] <yuriy> raphink: in bug #28526 what exactly has been fixed? should my print screen button open up ksnapshot now? would this only take place on a fresh install (default settings)?
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28526 in kubuntu-default-settings "assign print screen key to ksnapshot" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28526
[07:36] <Tonio_> yuriy: it will take place if you use a clean profile
[07:36] <Tonio_> I assume your profile overrides the default settings
[07:36] <Tonio_> yuriy: but the feature is in dapper for about 1 1/2 month
[07:37] <mornfall> hookah++
[07:38] <yuriy> Tonio_: what's it do? just opens up Ksnapshot when you hit print screen?
[07:38] <Tonio_> yuriy: yup
[07:44] <yuriy> I just think that, especially on an older pc, having an app open up to take a screen shot with "print screen" is kind of overdoing it and there might be an annoying delay (this is hypothetical).  Also sometimes you would want the old fuctionality of just putting it on the clipboard.  That's why I think print screen should stay the way it is, and have ctrl+print screen go to Ksnapshot.
[07:44] <yuriy> minor details, of course.
[07:52] <toma> last meeting we forgot to arrange a date for a next meeting, can we correct that error somehow?
[08:09] <raphink> yuriy: on other distros (e.g. mandriva), print opens ksnapshot
[08:10] <raphink> furthermore, I think we should try to mofidify the settings as few as possible
[08:10] <raphink> from the original settings
[08:10] <raphink> and the default KDE settings are to have ctrl+print and alt+print
[08:10] <raphink> to copy to clipboard
[08:10] <raphink> hence using print to open ksnapshot
[08:13] <Lure> Tonio_: what is the status with knm? went to universe or do we need to have one still in our repo?
[08:14] <Tonio_> Lure: nees second revu
[08:14] <Tonio_> needs
[08:14] <Lure> is there a package in your repo / people are asking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperKNetworkmanager
[08:15] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[08:15] <Tonio_> I prefer to focus on universe
[08:15] <Tonio_> Lure: we know tht it works
[08:15] <Tonio_> the repo was here for testing, not to provide official packages :)
[08:15] <Tonio_> Lure: can you ask on #ubuntu-revu ?
[08:16] <Tonio_> I'm away for an hour
[08:16] <Lure> Tonio_: will do
[08:17] <Lure> Tonio_: you mean u-motu
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[08:35] <vandenoever> hi Tonio_ 
[08:36] <vandenoever> did you like cubetest?
[08:37] <Tonio_> vandenoever: yes, funny ;)
[08:37] <vandenoever> glad you like it! did you do well?
[08:38] <vandenoever> Tonio_: 10 out of 10?
[08:38] <Tonio_> vandenoever: of course :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:38] <vandenoever> congratulations on your spatial insight, sir!
[08:39] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:39] <vandenoever> and what's the verdict on inclusion in kubuntu?
[08:39] <Tonio_> vandenoever: back in an hour
[09:04] <Tm_T> moin
[09:34] <OdyX> Tm_T: I tested your deb for Kopete
[09:50] <kmon> Oh, luka reno submited knetworkmanager to revu :)
[09:50] <Pygi> Lure: ah ;;)
[09:51] <kmon> very cool
[10:01] <Pygi> Lure: what you did with knetworkmanager? ;)
[10:02] <Tm_T> OdyX: liked?
[10:02] <Tm_T> OdyX: just don't hit F1 =)
[10:02] <OdyX> Tm_T: not entirely translated to french...
[10:02] <Lure> Pygi: it is waiting to get REVued - need one more MOTU to do it
[10:03] <Tm_T> OdyX: ah, not my fault
[10:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: which I hope should be solved when included in main.
[10:03] <Pygi> Lure: ah
[10:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: I'm not saying it's your fault.. but this that where translated aren't anymore.
[10:03] <OdyX> s/this/things
[10:03] <Tm_T> yeah
[10:03] <Lure> Riddell: can you REVu this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2220
[10:04] <OdyX> Tm_T: why changed icons for adding contacts ?
[10:04] <Tm_T> 0.12 will prolly be poorly translated a long time, I afraid
[10:04] <OdyX> Tm_T: unless included in Rosetta...
[10:04] <Tm_T> OdyX: there's multiple new icons, meant to make it more clear etc
[10:04] <OdyX> :D
[10:04] <OdyX> Tm_T: it's not so bad...
[10:06] <OdyX> Tm_T: indeed... your version solves bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/36800
[10:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36800 in kdenetwork kopete "kopete seg fault in "Configure..." -> "Devices"" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[10:06] <Tm_T> yeah
[10:07] <OdyX> Tm_T: well.. I have ONE compaint...
[10:07] <OdyX> Tm_T: gpg is not working anymore.
[10:07] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:07] <Tm_T> message encryption?
[10:07] <OdyX> Tm_T: not useable... as it was in breezy..
[10:07] <OdyX> yep
[10:08] <Tm_T> never tried it myself
[10:08] <OdyX> Tm_T: the fact is that it did work in Breezy and all Dapper versions I tried did not present the functionality
[10:08] <Tm_T> OdyX: run kopete from konsole and pastebin all output when sending message
[10:08] <OdyX> Tm_T: I cannot... That's the issue...
[10:09] <Tm_T> what you mean?
[10:09] <OdyX> Tm_T: I cannot send encrypted messages anymore.. because I cannot select public keys
[10:09] <OdyX> and cannot choose to encrypt my messages
[10:09] <Tm_T> ah
[10:09] <OdyX> (needs gnupg2 ? )
[10:09] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:11] <SSJ> Hi all - just a quick question.  Are the KDE packages for Dapper compiled with -fvisibility=hidden? If not, are there plans to do this with future versions?
[10:11] <hunger> OdyX: Seems to work here...
[10:11] <OdyX> hunger: under Tm_T version ?
[10:11] <OdyX> hunger: config ?
[10:12] <hunger> OdyX: Oh, you are refering to kopete?
[10:12] <hunger> OdyX: I thought you were talking about kmail.
[10:12] <OdyX> hunger: well...
[10:12] <Tm_T> :p
[10:12] <OdyX> hunger: that's another issue
[10:12] <hunger> Sorry:-)
[10:12] <Tm_T> hunger: =)
[10:12] <OdyX> hunger: it works for encryption and signin' but not for decryption...
[10:13] <OdyX> hunger: not natively
[10:13] <Tm_T> hunger: thanks for the laughs =)
[10:13] <hunger> And it is a gui app... so I can not run it in a screen session:-)
[10:13] <OdyX> hunger: does decryption works for you natively in kmail ?
[10:13] <hunger> OdyX: I think so. I decrypted the test mail I just send out fine.
[10:14] <OdyX> hunger: I don't here
[10:14] <hunger> OdyX: Basically noboby ever sends encrypted mails to me:-(
[10:14] <OdyX> hunger: any manipulation done ?
[10:14] <Tm_T> hunger: true, kopete has its flaws, but if you need gui app for jabber etc... Kopete <3
[10:14] <hunger> OdyX: Feel free to send a test mail to me...
[10:14] <OdyX> hunger: OK.
[10:14] <OdyX> hunger: mail ?
[10:14] <hunger> OdyX: One sec...
[10:15] <hunger> OdyX: Key ID is 7372a2a5
[10:15] <kmon> SSJ: Is that related to the bug in kaffeine that while playing the screensaver can start?
[10:15] <hunger> OdyX: Feel free to use any email attached to it.
[10:16] <OdyX> hunger: OK. .... processing ...
[10:16] <SSJ> kmon:I don't think so, no - it's supposed to cut down on the start-up time of C++ apps (when the app is prepared correctly, as I have *heard* that KDE 3.4.x is) by cutting down on the number of exported symbols :)
[10:16] <kmon> SSJ: OK
[10:17] <SSJ> kmon:It's something I'd quite like to see, as Linux app start-up times in general (and C++ apps in particular) seem fairly slow :(
[10:18] <hunger> Will knetworkmanager keep its name?
[10:19] <Lure> hunger: binary yes, package is n-m-kde
[10:19] <hunger> Lure: It is there already?!
[10:19] <kmon> Riddell: someone has suggested a fix for this bug, seems easy to fix by recompiling the package: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/30018
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30018 in kaffeine "screensaver starts while kaffeine is playing a film in fullscreen" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[10:20] <Lure> hunger: we need one more MOTU to advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2220
[10:20] <hunger> I can't see it in the repository yet.
[10:20] <hunger> Lure: Ah, thanks!
[10:20] <kmon> SSJ: have you filed a bug?
[10:20] <OdyX> hunger: sent
[10:20] <Lure> hunger: there is also test .deb (did not tried it myself, as I compiled from source)
[10:20] <raphink> Riddell: was the sound previews in konqueror deactivated when they would make it crash?
[10:21] <SSJ> kmon:No - for all I know Kubuntu uses it already! So I just thought I'd hop onto IRC to see if that was the case :)
[10:21] <hunger> Lure: I think I'll stick with "official" repositories for now... can't take that much longer for the deb to get approved I hope.
[10:22] <kmon> SSJ: ok
[10:26] <OdyX> hunger: received ? and decrypted ? If you got it, I put you my errors... 
[10:26] <OdyX> s/put/have written
[10:29] <hunger> OdyX: Not received yet.
[10:32] <hunger> OdyX: Did you send to fresco.org? That one is sometimes *extremly* slow wrt. processing mails.
[10:32] <OdyX> Yep.
[10:33] <hunger> OdyX: Hmmm... lets wait for a bit longer then.
[10:33] <hunger> OdyX: Looks like it has a hickup again:-(
[10:34] <OdyX> OK
[10:34] <OdyX> aqua* then ?
[10:34] <hunger> OdyX: That is the server the others forward to.
[10:34] <OdyX> so ?
[10:34] <hunger> OdyX: That one will be the fastest:-)
[10:34] <OdyX> OK
[10:35] <OdyX> I re-sent the first one without re-encryption. I don't know about the format.
[10:35] <OdyX> Maybe doin' one again
[10:35] <hunger> OdyX: I think that should work out fine.
[10:35] <hunger> Ah, damn... started a spamassissin training session by accident:-(
[10:36] <OdyX> hunger: XD
[10:40] <hunger> OdyX: Your first message arrived: it is empty with a msg.asc file attached.
[10:41] <OdyX> hunger OK
[10:41] <OdyX> I thought
[10:41] <hunger> kmail tries to open the attachment in kgpg.
[10:41] <OdyX> (indeed.. it's my second..)
[10:42] <hunger> OdyX: Well, the mail to aquazul.
[10:43] <OdyX> "Erreur : Bad passphrase" <- I got this when trying to open...
[10:46] <hunger> And still some thousand mails to go:-(
[10:46] <OdyX> hunger: got the new one ?
[10:49] <superstoned> SSJ: ask Riddell if KDE is compiled with -fvisibility=hidden. i DO know the next version (dapper +1) will include fontconfig 2.4.x - which, togheter with Qt 3.3.6 will improve startup performe for KDE apps with 1/3 to 50%. this adds up with -fvisibility, tough i don't know if that is used in Kubuntu yet.
[11:01] <SSJ> superstoned:Thanks for the info! I'll give Riddell a quick ping when he's not too busy :)
[11:03] <raphink> how about turning sound preview on by default in konqueror ?
[11:04] <raphink> now that it works?
[11:18] <hunger> OdyX: OK. This is test... Better so ?
[11:18] <OdyX> hunger: well...
[11:18] <hunger> OdyX: Decrypting works fine here.
[11:18] <OdyX> hunger: try to answer with encrypted please...
[11:18] <OdyX> so I could try
[11:20] <Riddell> SSJ: hmm?
[11:20] <SSJ> Riddell:"Hi all - just a quick question.  Are the KDE packages for Dapper compiled with -fvisibility=hidden? If not, are there plans to do this with future versions?"
[11:20] <hunger> OdyX: Your key is not valid.
[11:21] <hunger> OdyX: Did you bork up your clock when creating/signing it?
[11:21] <Riddell> SSJ: no, hidden visibility causes too many problems, it's pretty well broken until gcc 4.2
[11:21] <OdyX> hunger: ???
[11:21] <OdyX> hunger: not uploaded I think
[11:21] <OdyX> wait
[11:21] <hunger> OdyX: public key F9FE98F9 is 10913616 seconds newer than the signature
[11:21] <SSJ> Riddell:Cool; thanks for the info!
[11:22] <OdyX> mine is NOT F9...
[11:22] <OdyX> hunger: mine is E9A278F0
[11:23] <hunger> OdyX: Hmmm... I answered now.
[11:24] <OdyX> hunger: OK
[11:24] <verwilst_> Riddell: it is?
[11:24] <verwilst_> pretty crappy :$
[11:24] <OdyX> hunger: received... but could not decrypt...
[11:24] <OdyX> pass not asked
[11:28] <hunger> OdyX: You might want to consider removing some of your selfsigs.
[11:28] <OdyX> hunger: I have one per identity and one global on my local key
[11:29] <hunger> OdyX: I see 12 selfsigs on your key, 8 of them global.
[11:29] <OdyX> oh god...
[11:30] <OdyX> I'm uploading the new to all servers I have...
[11:30] <OdyX> but indeed.. the bug is still there...
[11:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: approved
[11:32] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2220  see comment
[11:37] <Lure> Riddell: advocating - no?
[11:40] <hunger> OdyX: Do the servers let you remove sigs?
[11:40] <OdyX> hunger: no...
[11:41] <OdyX> hunger: you have to revoke them and send the revokated
[11:41] <OdyX> et il est presque minuit 
[11:41] <OdyX> mon dieu
[11:42] <Riddell> Lure: forgot ticky box, advocated now :)
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:52] <verwilst_> hmmm yakuake is sooo nice :$
[11:57] <Riddell> lure: "kubuntu_02_noDialUp.patch to remove vpn support"  dialup or vpn?
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: dialup... I think it is just cut&paste/typo issue