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mlalkakai have an idea for the ubuntu wiki: we should create a page called UbuntuTutorials. On that page, as you probably expect, there would be tutorials on how to use Ubuntu Linux. but the tutorials should be video tutorials (with a narrator). programs like xvidcap or istanbul could be used to record the audio/video, and we could save it in ogg theora, so there are no patent problems.05:46
mlalkakawhat do you people think?05:46
LaserJockhmm, sounds like a lot of bandwith but it could be kinda fun05:49
Burgundaviathat would be a great idea05:50
robotgeekmlalkaka: yup. 05:50
Burgundaviawhy not use byznaz instead?05:50
Burgundaviathat gets us gifs, and can actually be a wiki page05:51
robotgeeki guess someone needs to start off with a tutorial on how to make those videos05:51
mlalkakaBurgundavia, i haven't heard of it until now.05:51
Burgundaviamlalkaka: byznaz is a screen recorder, that makes gifs05:52
Burgundaviait is fairly new05:52
mgalvincould someone ping me for a screenshot on the flight 6 review?05:53
trappistmy kingdom for one that makes mpegs05:53
Burgundaviatrappist: mpegs are non-free05:53
Burgundaviaogg or gif (ick) only05:53
Burgundavialikely flash05:53
mlalkakaBurgundavia, that would work well05:53
trappistaren't gifs patent-encumbered?05:54
trappistor that expired05:54
robotgeekyeah, that too :)05:54
mlalkakamgalvin, i'll ping you; what's your ip?05:54
Burgundaviagifs are no longer patent encumber, I believ05:54
robotgeekhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html05:54
mlalkakai think the Unisys' patent expired in 2003.05:54
mgalvinmlalkaka: i mean just send me a message with my nick in it like you just did, i need a notification screenshot, but i need to have the window minimized first05:55
mlalkakaoh ok05:55
mgalvinsend a little msg in like 5 sec05:55
Burgundaviamlalkaka: various patents expire at various times05:55
mlalkakamgalvin, How are you today?05:56
mgalvinmlalkaka: great thanks! :)05:56
mlalkakamgalvin, no prob.05:56
mlalkakaBurgundavia, do you know byznaz's website?05:56
Burgundaviamlalkaka: no, but is available in dapper05:57
Burgundaviait likely doesn't have one05:57
mgalvinmlalkaka: just sudo apt-get install byznaz05:58
mgalvinthere is not site05:58
mgalvinjust byznaz --help05:58
mgalvinit works well, it used it for...05:58
mlalkakai'm still running breezy, and it's not in breezy repositories05:58
mgalvinhttps://www-master.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f05:58
mgalvinah05:58
robotgeekmgalvin: auth05:59
mgalvinoops05:59
mgalvinhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f05:59
mlalkakabut what about sound? we'll need a narrator05:59
mgalvingifs could be used for the more simple things and demos and such just to keep size down, you would still need ogg or something for those06:00
mlalkakamgalvin, i'm guessing you used it for the shutdown sequence? how did you shutdown sequence, though? xnest?06:01
mgalvinin vmware player, or you could use qemu06:02
mgalvini just use vmware player b/c its free now and much faster than qemu06:02
Burgundaviamlalkaka: sound would be nice, but not critical06:02
Burgundaviamlalkaka: plus once you involve sound, it gets more difficult to produce and thus more time and thus is unlikely to be done06:03
mlalkakaBurgundavia, lol true06:03
mlalkakamgalvin, what's the difference between vmware player and vmware?06:03
trappistyou can't make new vms or modify the vm in the player06:04
mgalvinmlalkaka: vmware player only plays existing images06:04
mgalvinbut you can create the images with qemu06:05
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mgalvinhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu06:05
Burgundaviavmware player is evil06:06
Burgundaviawe should not be producing documtation with that06:06
mlalkakaBurgundavia, we won't have to, don't worry. i was just asking out of curiosity06:06
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mgalvinonly semi evil, i just don't normally have time to wait around to qemu, even on 64 bit machines its slow06:11
Burgundaviaqemu is slow06:11
Burgundaviainstalling extra software for help == very very bad06:11
Burgundaviaregardless of it status06:11
mgalvini know, i know06:12
mgalvinif its any consolation, i do use qemu when i am not pressed for time :)06:13
Burgundavialet me get you a screencast of the deskbar at work06:13
mgalvingo for it, that would be great06:13
robotgeekBurgundavia: that would be nice to see06:13
robotgeeki just love konqueror's features. plus io slaves in kde are just awesome 06:14
mlalkakawhat do you think the first tutorial should be?06:15
robotgeekhow to make a screencast :)06:15
mgalvini was thinking of adding some kubuntu and edubuntu stuff to DapperFlight6 this time around, any opinions?06:15
mgalvinrobotgeek: good choice :)06:15
mgalvin+106:16
robotgeekmgalvin: +1 on the (edu)/kubuntu stuff, if it doesn't clutter 06:16
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mgalvinyea, i don't want it to be a big mess06:16
robotgeekmgalvin: even for kubuntu?06:17
Burgundaviamgalvin: I wouldn't06:17
Burgundaviayou get a diluted marketing effect06:17
Burgundaviais: People wondering which piece is for which deriv06:18
Burgundaviahowever, Kubuntu06:18
Burgundaviaa seperate page for Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be great06:18
crimsunF6 tomorrow? Geez I hope not. 2.6.15-19.29 can't go out in F6.06:18
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mlalkakacan i create a wiki page with a normal account?06:22
mgalvinmlalkaka: yup06:22
mgalvinon wiki.ubuntu.com, yes06:22
mlalkakamgalvin, how?06:23
Burgundaviamlalkaka: just go the page you want to create and click edit06:23
mlalkakalol oh06:24
Burgundaviamgalvin: got a deskbar screencast, should I upload it?06:25
mgalvinrobotgeek, crimsun: thats not a hard date, just a possible target date, if something is that broken it will probably be toward the end of the week, we shall see, the flights kindda happen whenever its ready06:25
mgalvinBurgundavia: great, thanks, go ahead06:26
mgalvinBurgundavia: and... good point... i will not include k/edu stuff06:26
Burgundaviamgalvin: how do I get gifs to cycle?06:28
Burgundaviacan I edit that in the gimp?06:28
mgalvinBurgundavia: well i used byzanz with -l and set cords06:30
mgalvinBurgundavia06:30
mgalvinbyzanz-record -l ...06:30
Burgundaviaah, -l06:31
Burgundaviahmm, I ticked "search Yahoo", but it doesnt' seem to be doing it06:32
Burgundaviaoh, wait it takes a second06:33
mgalvindarn internet, making us wait, whats with that ;)06:33
Burgundaviaexcellent, got a great screencast06:35
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mgalvinBurgundavia: sweet, thanks!06:37
robotgeekBurgundavia: do you mind showing me too :)06:37
Burgundaviaalready up on DapperFlight606:38
robotgeekBurgundavia: ah, okay06:38
robotgeekthanks, looks neat. kio-beagle in konqueror is also convienient06:40
Burgundaviamgalvin: the theme just changed, so you might want to reshot the screenshots06:43
Burgundaviamgalvin: I would also point you at ReportingBugs for the section on repoting bugs06:44
Burgundaviamlalkaka: do you have an idea for a good first screencast?06:45
robotgeekBurgundavia: i'm sorry, i lost the link to byznaz 06:45
Burgundaviarobotgeek: apt-get install byzanz06:45
robotgeeki keep mistyping the thing06:46
mlalkakaBurgundavia, robotgeek had the idea to make a screencast about making screencasts, so that the community can start contributing as soon as possible.06:46
Burgundavianot certain that is the sort of thing that needs to be screencast06:46
Burgundaviabut I could document the way I made this screencast06:47
mgalvinBurgundavia: i pulled that reporting bugs content from DapperReleaseNotes, but anyway, that is a good start page, i will change it06:49
BurgundaviaReportingBugs does need some cleanup06:49
mlalkakaBurgundavia, ok. well i think the first thing a new user needs to do (at least for many things), is to add the universe and multiverse repositories. a user who installed from cd would also need to change main and restricted repositories to the up-to-date internet repositories.06:49
mgalvinbah, i thought i got ubuntulook 10... is it really that different06:49
Burgundaviamgalvin: it just changed06:51
mgalvinBurgundavia: what are the rev numbers, i didn't see the Accepted msg go by?06:52
Burgundaviahmm06:52
Burgundaviayou might be right06:52
mgalvini have ubuntulooks 0.9.9-1 and ubuntu-artwork-1006:52
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Burgundaviathat is the latest06:53
robhi06:54
mgalvinwhew, ok good06:54
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mgalvinis there a new name for it or can i call it Carmelicious ;)06:55
Burgundavianope07:02
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatingScreencasts07:02
Madpilotnice tutorial, Burgundavia 07:06
Burgundaviawant to write the ogg section?07:07
mgalvincool07:07
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mlalkakaBurgundavia, that was pretty fast07:13
Burgundaviamlalkaka: I move quickly when I want to07:13
mlalkakaUbuntuTutorials is up, and links to CreatingScreencasts.07:13
mlalkakalol07:13
Burgundaviamlalkaka: I would move that UbuntuTutorials to UbuntuVideoTutorials07:14
mlalkakaBurgundavia, you're right, it's better to be specific07:15
BurgundaviaI met on the TTC guys at UBZ and he was interested in video tutorials07:17
BurgundaviaTTC = Tactical Technology 07:17
BurgundaviaCollective07:17
mlalkakaBurgundavia, how do i delete the UbuntuTutorial page now?07:17
Burgundaviathey help NGO's with technology07:17
Burgundaviamlalkaka: more actions --> rename page07:17
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mlalkakaalright i gtg07:28
mlalkakathanks for all the help/input07:28
mlalkakai've started a list of suggested tutorials on UbuntuVideoTutorials, in case anyone comes up with some good ones.07:28
robotgeekmlalkaka: cool. let's hope we are able to build on this07:30
mlalkakarobotgeek, i hope so too. i have my semester finals in two weeks, but i'll try to get started. if not, i'll start after my finals07:31
Burgundaviawe need to fix up /Projects to be more inviting to someone new07:31
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MadpilotBurgundavia, so does that searchbar thing in Dapper only use Yahoo search for web stuff? Can you point it to other search engines instead?08:44
BurgundaviaMadpilot: yes, you can use google, but you need a key08:45
Burgundaviaeach user has to generate that key08:45
Burgundaviaand deskbar needs  nice way of graphically taking that key, as currently you need to hack some stuff08:46
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mdkemorning09:05
Burgundaviamorning mdke09:06
mdkehi corey09:07
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MadpilotBurgundavia, sorry, was afk - by 'key' you mean a Google cookie thing, more or less?09:38
BurgundaviaMadpilot: I think so09:39
Burgundaviainstall deskbar-applet and see for yourself09:40
MadpilotBurgundavia, did you watch that Novell user vid?09:40
Burgundavianope, been working on my book09:41
BurgundaviaI have tortured myself with a few of those videos09:41
Madpilotthis one was quite painful, WRT the actual utility of screenshots in docs...09:42
robitailleMadpilot:  did you manage to get the sound?09:43
Madpilotrobitaille, nope - might have to try something other than totem-xine09:43
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janimohello09:47
janimois it now easier to get svn access to the doc repo than it used too?09:47
janimothere are some people interested in keeping xubuntu-docs there09:47
Burgundaviajanimo: the general rule is patches then access, but if someone has some work elsewhere we can look it, we can accelerate the process09:48
janimoBurgundavia: thanks I'll tell the person to come to this channel and talk about it09:49
Burgundaviajanimo: thanks09:49
Madpilotgiven that we have no xubuntu-docs in our SVN at all AFAIK, patches would be kind of hard... :P09:49
BurgundaviaMadpilot: patches can add stuff09:49
janimohe is making a xubuntu-desktop-guide based on the ubuntu one09:49
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MadpilotBurgundavia, true09:50
Burgundaviabut if they are adding new docs, they can just send the file for an inital import09:50
Madpilotjanimo, cool - UDG has already been "ported" to Kubuntu DG, nice to see it's going to Xubuntu as well09:51
janimoMadpilot: yes :)09:51
janimoit is even closer to the ubuntu one than kubuntu09:51
janimomore apps are shared09:51
Madpilotjanimo, are you (and the XDG author) on the docteam mailing list?09:53
janimoMadpilot: nope09:53
janimoI can start tracking that though09:53
janimothrough gmane09:53
Madpilothttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact <-- janimo 09:53
janimook 'subscribed' :)09:54
janimowas there a plan for switching doc team to bzr?09:55
mdkea vague one, but nothing particularly concrete yet10:05
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Burgundavianight10:59
Madpilotnight11:02
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Burgworkanybody around who knows printers well?07:10
trappistI recently successfully troubleshot both of mine and learned a lot, if that counts - but as they say in the support channels, just ask your question :)07:11
Burgworkno, I am looking for somebody to write some stuff about printers for pay07:12
trappistah.  that's not me but I know somebody07:12
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Skirkahello09:59
LaserJockhi Skirka 09:59
Skirkais there documentation somewhere that explains how to install ubuntu and be able to dual boot with windows?10:00
LaserJockSkirka: I'm pretty sure there is something on wiki.ubuntu.com10:00
Skirkathanks10:00
luzihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo10:01
luzihey, i've started some work on a xubuntu desktop guide and have some questions.10:01
robotgeekluzi: go ahead. 10:02
luzii've heard that ubuntu-doc people would be willing to integrate it in their svn repository.10:03
Burgworkyep10:03
luziyou can check out a 'demo' at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/build/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html10:04
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luziand a tarball at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz10:04
robotgeekluzi: looks nice, but if it needs to go out with dapper, the string freeze is april 6th10:05
luzioh. that's very little time, i'm afraid...10:06
Burgworkluzi, yes. You might be able to a specific exemption for it10:08
robotgeekluzi: i think you might want to mail the list with this link10:08
luziok, i'll mail to the list then. 10:08
luziso do i just wait for someone to put in svn, and then send patches?10:09
luzii'm kinda new to all this...10:09
trappistBurgwork: lemme know if you still need a printer god10:10
robotgeekluzi: well, the general procedure is that someone will put it in the repository and you will keep sending in patches10:10
luziok, and how about images? for example, i modified the 'admon' pictures, because they were renedered against a white background.10:12
robotgeekluzi: admon?10:15
luzii mean the images for 'caution', 'important', 'tip', ... in ubuntu-doc/common/admon10:16
robotgeekluzi: no a good idea, the rest of the docs use those10:16
robotgeekluzi: you can have images elsewhere tho10:17
luziyeah, but i think duplicating the images wouldn't make sense. instead, they 'common' images should be rendered against a transparent background, which would suit everyone.10:19
luzis/they/the/10:19
robotgeekluzi: include that also in your email to the list :) i have no clue about images/transparency related issues10:21
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mdkeI'm not so sure the string freeze will necessarily have to apply for an xubuntu doc11:06
mdkethere's no indication that edubuntu is going to be bound by it, so there's no reason xubuntu should too, unless they want to translate the documentation11:07
mdkeluzi, ^11:07
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luziok, good.11:12
luzii don't think there's going to be translation for a while.11:13
mdkeyou haven't used much of the ubuntu desktop guide, perhaps you can copy some more of it11:14
mdkenice start though11:14
mdkewhere's the code?11:15
robotgeekluzi: also look at kubuntu :)11:15
robotgeeki copied over lot of stuff from ubuntu desktop guide (udg)11:15
luzithanks! you can get the code at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz11:16
mdkeluzi, is anyone else helping you out?11:16
luziyeah, i hope to copy quite a bit of the good stuff from ubuntu and kubuntu desktop guide.11:16
luzinot at the moment, but i hope to get some more people aboard, once the stuff is set up.11:16
mdketransparent admon files would be much appreciated11:18
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Skirkawhere would i find if my graphics card is supported under ubuntu11:22
mdkeSkirka, best to search the wiki or forums11:22
luzimdke, the transparent images would have to be done by the person who created them.11:23
luzibecause in the PNG file, the layers are lost.11:24
mdkeI have no idea where the files came from11:24
mdkeI looked recently, and didn't find it11:24
luzii made a quick hack, which will work for backgrounds which are close to white. it's here: http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/transparent-admon.tar.gz11:25
mdkeyou rock11:25
mdkewe might have to remake icons then I suppose11:25
mdkeknow anyone who likes that sort of thing?11:26
luzinope11:26
mdkeso do your icons work on complete white?11:26
luziyes, they should look exactly the same as before on a white background.11:28
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luzii'm slowly starting to get the hang of the GIMP ... :o)11:30
mdke:) ok I'm off, see you around11:31
luzibye11:32
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