=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-200.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-151-200.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-180-145.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mlalkaka [n=mlalkaka@d216-232-4-200.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:46] i have an idea for the ubuntu wiki: we should create a page called UbuntuTutorials. On that page, as you probably expect, there would be tutorials on how to use Ubuntu Linux. but the tutorials should be video tutorials (with a narrator). programs like xvidcap or istanbul could be used to record the audio/video, and we could save it in ogg theora, so there are no patent problems. [05:46] what do you people think? [05:49] hmm, sounds like a lot of bandwith but it could be kinda fun [05:50] that would be a great idea [05:50] mlalkaka: yup. [05:50] why not use byznaz instead? [05:51] that gets us gifs, and can actually be a wiki page [05:51] i guess someone needs to start off with a tutorial on how to make those videos [05:51] Burgundavia, i haven't heard of it until now. [05:52] mlalkaka: byznaz is a screen recorder, that makes gifs [05:52] it is fairly new [05:53] could someone ping me for a screenshot on the flight 6 review? [05:53] my kingdom for one that makes mpegs [05:53] trappist: mpegs are non-free [05:53] ogg or gif (ick) only [05:53] likely flash [05:53] Burgundavia, that would work well [05:54] aren't gifs patent-encumbered? [05:54] or that expired [05:54] yeah, that too :) [05:54] mgalvin, i'll ping you; what's your ip? [05:54] gifs are no longer patent encumber, I believ [05:54] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html [05:54] i think the Unisys' patent expired in 2003. [05:55] mlalkaka: i mean just send me a message with my nick in it like you just did, i need a notification screenshot, but i need to have the window minimized first [05:55] oh ok [05:55] send a little msg in like 5 sec [05:55] mlalkaka: various patents expire at various times [05:56] mgalvin, How are you today? [05:56] mlalkaka: great thanks! :) [05:56] mgalvin, no prob. [05:56] Burgundavia, do you know byznaz's website? [05:57] mlalkaka: no, but is available in dapper [05:57] it likely doesn't have one [05:58] mlalkaka: just sudo apt-get install byznaz [05:58] there is not site [05:58] just byznaz --help [05:58] it works well, it used it for... [05:58] i'm still running breezy, and it's not in breezy repositories [05:58] https://www-master.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f [05:58] ah [05:59] mgalvin: auth [05:59] oops [05:59] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f [05:59] but what about sound? we'll need a narrator [06:00] gifs could be used for the more simple things and demos and such just to keep size down, you would still need ogg or something for those [06:01] mgalvin, i'm guessing you used it for the shutdown sequence? how did you shutdown sequence, though? xnest? [06:02] in vmware player, or you could use qemu [06:02] i just use vmware player b/c its free now and much faster than qemu [06:02] mlalkaka: sound would be nice, but not critical [06:03] mlalkaka: plus once you involve sound, it gets more difficult to produce and thus more time and thus is unlikely to be done [06:03] Burgundavia, lol true [06:03] mgalvin, what's the difference between vmware player and vmware? [06:04] you can't make new vms or modify the vm in the player [06:04] mlalkaka: vmware player only plays existing images [06:05] but you can create the images with qemu === mgalvin breaks out more wiki pages [06:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu [06:06] vmware player is evil [06:06] we should not be producing documtation with that [06:06] Burgundavia, we won't have to, don't worry. i was just asking out of curiosity === mlalkaka loves wikis [06:11] only semi evil, i just don't normally have time to wait around to qemu, even on 64 bit machines its slow [06:11] qemu is slow [06:11] installing extra software for help == very very bad [06:11] regardless of it status [06:12] i know, i know [06:13] if its any consolation, i do use qemu when i am not pressed for time :) [06:13] let me get you a screencast of the deskbar at work [06:13] go for it, that would be great [06:13] Burgundavia: that would be nice to see [06:14] i just love konqueror's features. plus io slaves in kde are just awesome [06:15] what do you think the first tutorial should be? [06:15] how to make a screencast :) [06:15] i was thinking of adding some kubuntu and edubuntu stuff to DapperFlight6 this time around, any opinions? [06:15] robotgeek: good choice :) [06:16] +1 [06:16] mgalvin: +1 on the (edu)/kubuntu stuff, if it doesn't clutter === mgalvin hints that flight 6 will be tomorrow [06:16] yea, i don't want it to be a big mess [06:17] mgalvin: even for kubuntu? [06:17] mgalvin: I wouldn't [06:17] you get a diluted marketing effect [06:18] is: People wondering which piece is for which deriv [06:18] however, Kubuntu [06:18] a seperate page for Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be great [06:18] F6 tomorrow? Geez I hope not. 2.6.15-19.29 can't go out in F6. === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:22] can i create a wiki page with a normal account? [06:22] mlalkaka: yup [06:22] on wiki.ubuntu.com, yes [06:23] mgalvin, how? [06:23] mlalkaka: just go the page you want to create and click edit [06:24] lol oh [06:25] mgalvin: got a deskbar screencast, should I upload it? [06:25] robotgeek, crimsun: thats not a hard date, just a possible target date, if something is that broken it will probably be toward the end of the week, we shall see, the flights kindda happen whenever its ready [06:26] Burgundavia: great, thanks, go ahead [06:26] Burgundavia: and... good point... i will not include k/edu stuff [06:28] mgalvin: how do I get gifs to cycle? [06:28] can I edit that in the gimp? [06:30] Burgundavia: well i used byzanz with -l and set cords [06:30] Burgundavia [06:30] byzanz-record -l ... [06:31] ah, -l [06:32] hmm, I ticked "search Yahoo", but it doesnt' seem to be doing it [06:33] oh, wait it takes a second [06:33] darn internet, making us wait, whats with that ;) [06:35] excellent, got a great screencast === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-180-145.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:37] Burgundavia: sweet, thanks! [06:37] Burgundavia: do you mind showing me too :) [06:38] already up on DapperFlight6 [06:38] Burgundavia: ah, okay [06:40] thanks, looks neat. kio-beagle in konqueror is also convienient [06:43] mgalvin: the theme just changed, so you might want to reshot the screenshots [06:44] mgalvin: I would also point you at ReportingBugs for the section on repoting bugs [06:45] mlalkaka: do you have an idea for a good first screencast? [06:45] Burgundavia: i'm sorry, i lost the link to byznaz [06:45] robotgeek: apt-get install byzanz [06:46] i keep mistyping the thing [06:46] Burgundavia, robotgeek had the idea to make a screencast about making screencasts, so that the community can start contributing as soon as possible. [06:46] not certain that is the sort of thing that needs to be screencast [06:47] but I could document the way I made this screencast [06:49] Burgundavia: i pulled that reporting bugs content from DapperReleaseNotes, but anyway, that is a good start page, i will change it [06:49] ReportingBugs does need some cleanup [06:49] Burgundavia, ok. well i think the first thing a new user needs to do (at least for many things), is to add the universe and multiverse repositories. a user who installed from cd would also need to change main and restricted repositories to the up-to-date internet repositories. [06:49] bah, i thought i got ubuntulook 10... is it really that different [06:51] mgalvin: it just changed [06:52] Burgundavia: what are the rev numbers, i didn't see the Accepted msg go by? [06:52] hmm [06:52] you might be right [06:52] i have ubuntulooks 0.9.9-1 and ubuntu-artwork-10 === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:53] that is the latest [06:54] hi [06:54] whew, ok good === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:55] is there a new name for it or can i call it Carmelicious ;) [07:02] nope [07:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatingScreencasts [07:06] nice tutorial, Burgundavia [07:07] want to write the ogg section? [07:07] cool === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] Burgundavia, that was pretty fast [07:13] mlalkaka: I move quickly when I want to [07:13] UbuntuTutorials is up, and links to CreatingScreencasts. [07:13] lol [07:14] mlalkaka: I would move that UbuntuTutorials to UbuntuVideoTutorials [07:15] Burgundavia, you're right, it's better to be specific [07:17] I met on the TTC guys at UBZ and he was interested in video tutorials [07:17] TTC = Tactical Technology [07:17] Collective [07:17] Burgundavia, how do i delete the UbuntuTutorial page now? [07:17] they help NGO's with technology [07:17] mlalkaka: more actions --> rename page === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-133-238.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:28] alright i gtg [07:28] thanks for all the help/input [07:28] i've started a list of suggested tutorials on UbuntuVideoTutorials, in case anyone comes up with some good ones. [07:30] mlalkaka: cool. let's hope we are able to build on this [07:31] robotgeek, i hope so too. i have my semester finals in two weeks, but i'll try to get started. if not, i'll start after my finals [07:31] we need to fix up /Projects to be more inviting to someone new === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mlalkaka [n=mlalkaka@d216-232-4-200.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-149-75.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:44] Burgundavia, so does that searchbar thing in Dapper only use Yahoo search for web stuff? Can you point it to other search engines instead? [08:45] Madpilot: yes, you can use google, but you need a key [08:45] each user has to generate that key [08:46] and deskbar needs nice way of graphically taking that key, as currently you need to hack some stuff === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-154-160.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] morning [09:06] morning mdke [09:07] hi corey === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-154-29.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] Burgundavia, sorry, was afk - by 'key' you mean a Google cookie thing, more or less? [09:39] Madpilot: I think so [09:40] install deskbar-applet and see for yourself [09:40] Burgundavia, did you watch that Novell user vid? [09:41] nope, been working on my book [09:41] I have tortured myself with a few of those videos [09:42] this one was quite painful, WRT the actual utility of screenshots in docs... [09:43] Madpilot: did you manage to get the sound? [09:43] robitaille, nope - might have to try something other than totem-xine === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:47] hello [09:47] is it now easier to get svn access to the doc repo than it used too? [09:47] there are some people interested in keeping xubuntu-docs there [09:48] janimo: the general rule is patches then access, but if someone has some work elsewhere we can look it, we can accelerate the process [09:49] Burgundavia: thanks I'll tell the person to come to this channel and talk about it [09:49] janimo: thanks [09:49] given that we have no xubuntu-docs in our SVN at all AFAIK, patches would be kind of hard... :P [09:49] Madpilot: patches can add stuff [09:49] he is making a xubuntu-desktop-guide based on the ubuntu one === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-156-72.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:50] Burgundavia, true [09:50] but if they are adding new docs, they can just send the file for an inital import [09:51] janimo, cool - UDG has already been "ported" to Kubuntu DG, nice to see it's going to Xubuntu as well [09:51] Madpilot: yes :) [09:51] it is even closer to the ubuntu one than kubuntu [09:51] more apps are shared [09:53] janimo, are you (and the XDG author) on the docteam mailing list? [09:53] Madpilot: nope [09:53] I can start tracking that though [09:53] through gmane [09:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact <-- janimo [09:54] ok 'subscribed' :) [09:55] was there a plan for switching doc team to bzr? 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[07:11] I recently successfully troubleshot both of mine and learned a lot, if that counts - but as they say in the support channels, just ask your question :) [07:12] no, I am looking for somebody to write some stuff about printers for pay [07:12] ah. that's not me but I know somebody === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host235-236.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === luzi [n=luzi@84-72-86-43.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tmdca [n=chatzill@h47n3fls309o1043.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === luzi [n=luzi@84-72-86-43.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skirka [n=alsdfk@12-221-95-154.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:59] hello [09:59] hi Skirka [10:00] is there documentation somewhere that explains how to install ubuntu and be able to dual boot with windows? [10:00] Skirka: I'm pretty sure there is something on wiki.ubuntu.com [10:00] thanks [10:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [10:01] hey, i've started some work on a xubuntu desktop guide and have some questions. [10:02] luzi: go ahead. [10:03] i've heard that ubuntu-doc people would be willing to integrate it in their svn repository. [10:03] yep [10:04] you can check out a 'demo' at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/build/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:04] and a tarball at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz [10:05] luzi: looks nice, but if it needs to go out with dapper, the string freeze is april 6th [10:06] oh. that's very little time, i'm afraid... [10:08] luzi, yes. You might be able to a specific exemption for it [10:08] luzi: i think you might want to mail the list with this link [10:08] ok, i'll mail to the list then. [10:09] so do i just wait for someone to put in svn, and then send patches? [10:09] i'm kinda new to all this... [10:10] Burgwork: lemme know if you still need a printer god [10:10] luzi: well, the general procedure is that someone will put it in the repository and you will keep sending in patches [10:12] ok, and how about images? for example, i modified the 'admon' pictures, because they were renedered against a white background. [10:15] luzi: admon? [10:16] i mean the images for 'caution', 'important', 'tip', ... in ubuntu-doc/common/admon [10:16] luzi: no a good idea, the rest of the docs use those [10:17] luzi: you can have images elsewhere tho [10:19] yeah, but i think duplicating the images wouldn't make sense. instead, they 'common' images should be rendered against a transparent background, which would suit everyone. [10:19] s/they/the/ [10:21] luzi: include that also in your email to the list :) i have no clue about images/transparency related issues === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-152-212.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:06] I'm not so sure the string freeze will necessarily have to apply for an xubuntu doc [11:07] there's no indication that edubuntu is going to be bound by it, so there's no reason xubuntu should too, unless they want to translate the documentation [11:07] luzi, ^ === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-152-212.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:12] ok, good. [11:13] i don't think there's going to be translation for a while. [11:14] you haven't used much of the ubuntu desktop guide, perhaps you can copy some more of it [11:14] nice start though [11:15] where's the code? [11:15] luzi: also look at kubuntu :) [11:15] i copied over lot of stuff from ubuntu desktop guide (udg) [11:16] thanks! you can get the code at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz [11:16] luzi, is anyone else helping you out? [11:16] yeah, i hope to copy quite a bit of the good stuff from ubuntu and kubuntu desktop guide. [11:16] not at the moment, but i hope to get some more people aboard, once the stuff is set up. [11:18] transparent admon files would be much appreciated === mdke catches up on scrollback [11:22] where would i find if my graphics card is supported under ubuntu [11:22] Skirka, best to search the wiki or forums [11:23] mdke, the transparent images would have to be done by the person who created them. [11:24] because in the PNG file, the layers are lost. [11:24] I have no idea where the files came from [11:24] I looked recently, and didn't find it [11:25] i made a quick hack, which will work for backgrounds which are close to white. it's here: http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/transparent-admon.tar.gz [11:25] you rock [11:25] we might have to remake icons then I suppose [11:26] know anyone who likes that sort of thing? [11:26] nope [11:26] so do your icons work on complete white? [11:28] yes, they should look exactly the same as before on a white background. === mdke nods [11:30] i'm slowly starting to get the hang of the GIMP ... :o) [11:31] :) ok I'm off, see you around [11:32] bye === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-138-142.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-139-235.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc