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[12:29] ask a revu admin [12:29] (mez,ajmitch,slomo,siretart) [12:29] upid=823 and 912 should go [12:31] i just uploaded a new version of 823(network-manager-vpnc) for NM 0.6 though so possibly that will be overwritten [12:31] 912 is an outdated version of nm which is in main for some time now [12:32] they're already archived [12:34] confusing, i just searched, so i did not see the archived section === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-82.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] j^: n-m 0.6 for Dapper? === herzi [n=herzi@d077169.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] hub which other n-m 0.6 would be in question? [12:42] don't know [12:42] in fact I don't have n-m 0.6 for dapper [12:43] it just hit the archives [12:43] oh [12:43] the vpn plugins build find in my dapper pbuilder === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] anyone here know about passing vectors and the like in functions? [12:56] they aren't by reference right? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] no one... === susus_ [n=sz@p5089D827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius_ [n=foo@predius.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === elmopot_ [n=gnu@unaffiliated/elmopot] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=nnnnnnnn@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] w00t [01:29] installing nm 0.6 [01:29] so I can use WPA === welshbyte [n=sentient@cpc3-whit1-0-0-cust834.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === elmopot_ is now known as elmopot [01:34] I'm still quite uncomfortable with wpasupplicant+n-m in main, but I don't have much say about that, heh. [01:35] especially with the 3 year support [01:42] ajmitch_, 5 years if you use a wireleass server :P [01:44] i put my server in a tree in the garden and after only 2 years it stoped responding, now im to old to climb on the tree, i need help [01:46] lol === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-168-73-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] j^, if you were clever you put it in a cat costume so you can call the fire brigade to save it ;) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] so, x264 is now in multiverse; will mplayer be built using it? [02:08] I'd love to be able to encode and play h.264's from mplayer/mencoder === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === segfault_ [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gclair [n=clair@blk-137-93-199.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] howdy all [02:50] hi [02:52] hi gclair and yves [02:53] Hi Laser === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] my "manpages that lead to nowhere" thingee doesn't make much people react === Gwynn [n=hwyvar@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] Erlang: ? [03:18] on u-devel [03:19] interesting === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016888.html is so less-than-helpful [03:21] I see why now -_- [03:22] the message shows up just fine in mutt. When i'll come back home I'll link with the wiki instead of attaching the list. === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] heads up for us in dapper+1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg01084.html [03:31] we'll probably be running into those issues sooner than later [03:34] oh we will [03:34] 4.1 is already planned for dapper+1 :) === crimsun stashes page in cache [03:34] and in this case I'm glad that many patches are filed in debian BTS before we move === ajmitch__ really has to question why he's subscribed to the users list [03:38] ajmitch__: If you mean ubuntu-users, I got off that list LONG ago. === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] Heya gang [03:50] 'lo bddebian [03:50] Hi crimsun === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] hi bddebian and crimsun [03:56] Heya LaserJock [03:56] 'lo lj [03:59] man, I'm finally feeling like a MOTU today [03:59] dolson: please join #ubuntu; 19:59 < jadaz87> IamEthos i am looking to have a music production pc based off of linux [04:01] LaserJock: oh? [04:01] crimsun: wait a bit for dapper-changes ;-) [04:01] LaserJock: ah [04:02] hopefully it won't be "Rejected" :-) [04:02] a simple developer asking about a bug report turned into a 2 day mission === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] LaserJock: decided to upload 10 or 20 packages? :) [04:04] somebody know how I can get a hold of jdub by any chance? [04:04] ajmitch_: only 3 but one is NEW [04:05] OgMaciel: I think he is in -devel [04:05] LaserJock, thanks much ;) [04:06] LaserJock, found him... not sure he's awake though... ;) [04:06] he ought to be [04:07] since it's lunchtime if he's in .au [04:07] ajmitch_, forgot about the time difference... true... ;) [04:08] OgMaciel: he last said something in -devel about 30 min ago [04:08] LaserJock, been trying to get a hold of him for a while now... === LaserJock waits for the email with fingers crossed [04:09] guess \sh hasn't been around either [04:09] LaserJock, I know what you mean... ;) [04:12] yeah! They made it [04:13] hmm, "bombs away" keeps coming to mind ;-) [04:15] LaserJock, yay [04:16] ogra: oh, I didn't think you'd still be up [04:17] ogra: yeah, I got it all done I think. squeak runs fine from the menu now [04:17] i'm on my way to bed, but looked into the mail before ;) [04:17] cool [04:17] i'll test as soon as Kamion waved -image through [04:17] cool === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] LaserJock: ogra is always up this late :) [04:20] gosh, I feel like going to bed and I'm US Pacific TZ === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] ajmitch__, its getting spring ... i'm starting to get up earlier :) [04:20] hi tritium [04:20] ogra: what, 7am? :) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] hi LaserJock, ajmitch__ [04:20] hey tritium [04:20] so i wont be around this long in the next months === ajmitch__ needs to do more uploads & bugfixing :) [04:21] I can't let my key go stale [04:21] hi ogra [04:22] ajmitch__, 9am is fine instead of 11am :) but that means going to bed *before* 4am ;) [04:22] heh [04:22] hey tritium === ajmitch__ got up very late today, after 9am [04:23] rub it in, ajmitch__ ;) [04:25] tritium: I'd usually be up a bit after 7am :) [04:25] ajmitch__: I'm already at work by then :) === ajmitch__ is not quite that crazy === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] man, mutt seems to have a bit of a steep learning curve === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] LaserJock: mutt? hardly :) [05:24] hmm, maybe I'm just to GUIfied but pine seems a whole lot easier [05:25] I can't figure out how to get back to my inbox once I've gone to another folder === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] LaserJock: YOu know there is in-built help? [05:33] I hate C lol [05:33] well, C++ [05:33] TheMuso: and the FAQ is full of RTFMs [05:34] hahaha === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] I coded for like 3 hours [05:34] I can get to all my mailboxes (they are in ~/Mail) but I can't get back to my inbox (somewhere in /var/spool/ I think) [05:35] only to be shot down by conversion between my Structs [05:35] (which only differ in that they interpret the < and > differently) [05:35] so hows it going :D [05:36] LaserJock: you could have your mail delivered via procmail so it goes to ~/Mail [05:36] jamessan: hmm, ok. I was thinking about learning how to use procmail [05:36] LaserJock: when you hit c to change folder, hit ? to get a list, your inbox should be in there [05:36] ajmitch_: but it isn't [05:37] I have mine delivered to my server :D [05:37] ajmitch__: not the system mail (which goes to /var/spool/...) [05:37] jamessan: it is here (at least when I hit tab in that list) [05:37] not for me :/ [05:38] however that's because it's listed in my muttrc :) [05:38] jeez...I just got ANOTHER email address [05:38] my GPG key is insanely long now.... [05:38] ajmitch_: ah, maybe that is what I'm missing [05:39] my muttrc has just grown a bit over the years [05:40] ajmitch__: nice. thanks :) [05:40] is there a way to tell gpg to not be a moron and go fetch keys it doesn't recognize? like when I try to verify a downloaded tarball, it just says it doesn't recognize any of the keys that signed it... well, fetch them from the key server! [05:41] psusi: yes, but it's usually turned off because key fetching is so slow [05:41] ok... so how do I turn it back on? ;) [05:41] because otherwise, what's the point of the web of trust? [05:42] if you have to already have all the keys in the web on your ring that is === ajmitch__ thought he had it in but disabled, but I guess not.. [05:43] I was also wondering what happens when two people get the same key id? [05:43] ah, auto-key-retrieve, in the manepage [05:43] manpage [05:44] I think I have one at "petermcv@acm.org" now.... [05:44] psusi: the short ID doesn't have to be unique [05:44] for example, hub's 32-bit key id clashes with someone else's [05:44] right... so what happens when they clash? [05:44] yep [05:44] psusi: lot of bugs [05:44] lot of pain [05:44] lol.... fantastic [05:45] but nothing serious [05:45] jeez... === Kyral goes to add it [05:45] keyserver are still confused [05:45] signing scripts often get confused, too :) [05:45] ajmitch__: much less [05:45] they still tend to do the right thing [05:45] why did they only use the first 32 bits of the fingerprint? [05:46] would you prefer to remember 64 or 128 bits everytime you want to use a key? [05:47] is there a conf file or something I can edit so I don't have to specify --keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve every time? [05:47] yes [05:47] as I said, look at the man page [05:48] gpg's man page is too darn long... shoudl have been done as an info tree, heh === ajmitch__ is going out for a bit [05:49] ...I think I just set the record for registered email addresses on LP [05:49] arggh, I still can't figure out how to add my inbox [05:49] mutt? [05:50] yeah [05:50] uhh... [05:50] I just pointed it at the mailspooler [05:50] I think [05:50] I may have a copy of my .muttrc around... [05:50] it seems like the FVWM of email [05:50] lol [05:50] Yah personally I just use POP3 [05:50] imap >>>> pop3 [05:51] psusi: yah but I don't have the space to pull it off on my server [05:51] well, I do... [05:51] and the ports are open === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] all I gotta do is tell Domain 0 to forward the IMAP ports [05:52] anyway, I'm not using pop or imap at the moment [05:52] my inbox is at /var/mail/mantha [05:52] my imap server is holding lkml traffic since jan 1... 31,000 messages taking up like 150 megs... one of these days I think I'll stuff it into a cramfs and see if I can't use unionfs to maintan access to the full maildir while keeping the older messages compressed [05:52] but when I list the mailboxes I can't see it [05:53] ouch lkml [05:53] Thats what my GMail account is for :D [05:53] I went through my work machine today and compressed around 400 megs of 'normal' email too ;) [05:53] I download it all to my desktop [05:53] fortunately, 7zip shrank it down to 50 megs [05:54] wait...this client is on my server [05:54] lol I forgot I was SSH'd into a screen session [05:54] lol [05:56] lol, there is a website to build a muttrc [05:56] the actual signatures generated by gpg only identify the signer by their first 32 bits of fingerprint right? aka the keyid? [05:56] yah I saw that lol [05:57] so if two people get the same keyid, there's no way to tell which one is the one that signed something because they would both look the same no? [05:58] I think I prefer s/mime... your whole public certificate goes into the message so the recipient doesn't have to download it from a key server... just validates the CA's signature on it [06:00] PGP/Inline [06:01] actually, I guess you really couldn't do that with gpg [06:01] since if you were to try and recursively include all signer's keys, you could end up with millions of them [06:01] lol [06:03] man... what's up with this guy's key? de885dd3... he has a million signatures... and like two people that each signed like 30 times... I guess the big 'X' means that sig expired right? [06:18] i tried that once [06:18] i crashed gpg [06:18] (recursing down my signatures and their signatures etc [06:18] lol [06:19] after about 24 hours [06:19] on a p100 [06:19] :) [06:19] how many GB did the output file grow to? ;) [06:19] i cant find that key id? [06:19] it was a few hundred meg [06:19] Lathiat: and on your new box now it'd probably succeed in a few minutes === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] yeh probably :) [06:21] if i had a gig net connection to stick into it [06:21] how often do you guys regenerate key pairs for gpg? [06:22] Lathiat: I think the keyservers would be too slow though [06:23] ajmitch__: multiple keyservers at once? ;p [06:24] you'd need a *lot* [06:24] :) [06:24] me will bbl [06:25] bad keyboard, missing / :) [06:26] lol === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi wishes he coudld figure out how to increase the font size that gitk uses... this is killing my eyes [06:43] doesn't gitk use tcl/tk? [06:44] yes [06:45] I suppose tcl/tk has some global configuration files, no? [06:46] I don't think so [for tcl] [06:47] [or tk] [06:48] oh okay. no wonder fewer and fewer apps are using tk these days, then :-P === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] the question is what does tcl/tk use? that's just a scripting language... what X toolkit does the script interpreter use? [07:11] based on the simple look if I had to guess, it's motif [07:12] I'm thinking there's some sort of black magic I can do with X resources... but I have a few scarry memories of trying to figure that stuff out [07:12] the number of changes that go into the linux kernel in only a day or two span is mind boggling [07:13] I've been reading all the changes since I last pulled a few days ago for a half hour now... and I'm only half way done [07:13] and i'm just skimming it! === dolson is now known as dolzzzon [07:15] psusi: stop drinking out of the fire hose [07:17] hehe [07:17] lol... that's what it feels like.... [07:17] my head is swelling I swear [07:18] that's how i felt when i was subscribed to ubuntu-users :P [07:19] I haven't even found my commit yet [07:19] heh... ubuntu-users isn't bad at all [07:19] about half the traffic of lkml [07:19] of course... I'm on both ;) [07:20] looking at this git history is like examining a fine tapestry... [07:21] finally, THERE is my patch [07:22] I can't believe the sheer number of patches that linus alone applies === j^ [n=j@85.178.50.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassou [i=cassou@big.enseirb.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] Hi [07:37] omg... 1836 commits in a week [07:37] I would like to help with the squeak package [07:37] to make it ready for dapper [07:37] ok, I'm now officially insane... and up too late... night... [07:37] I've already reported bugs [07:37] what can I do now ? [07:38] ogra, are you responsible for the package ? === Kyral [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] cassou: I believe getting a patch for the bug you reported would help a log [07:45] argh, users === ajmitch__ feels tempted to go off on a rant [07:45] cassou: either track it down yourself, or contact upstream/debian, then ask people to review your patch [07:46] ajmitch_: users list? [07:46] minghua: no, someone on malone [07:47] minghua, I already wrote patches [07:47] someone who *should* know better & be able to provide actual information instead of just saying 'it breaks, fix it' [07:47] oh. I suppose any user that endured the horrible interface of malone and reported a bug should deserve better treatment :-P [07:47] why do I need to talk to debian peaple ? I just would like to have good ubuntu packages [07:48] cassou: great then, try find someone who knows the package to review it [07:48] minghua: this is not just a random user, and he replied to a needinfo setting with basically 'just try it' [07:48] cassou: that's your choice. but usually the debian maintainer is a good choice to ask for review [07:48] minghua, ogra (on this channel) seems to be responsible for this package but he is not here [07:49] minghua, what is the best way to talk with debian maintener ? [07:49] poor ajmitch_ [07:50] ajmitch__: lol [07:50] ajmitch__: bug ID? [07:50] cassou: for bugs, if you can reproduce it in debian, Debian BTS would be best place. if you don't want to try reproduce in debian, I think email would be better. But as I said, your choice [07:50] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/stratagus/+bug/32991 [07:50] Malone bug 32991 in stratagus "MOTU: Stratagus AMD64 Segfault" [Normal,Needs info] [07:50] I know he's perfectly capable of providing even a backtrace :P [07:51] haha [07:51] smart but lazy guy [07:51] and he's perfectly willing to mouth off on the devel list :) [07:52] minghua, I don't mind helping debian too. I just would like dapper to have squeak ready and easy to use. [07:52] see, never show that you are more than a dumb user. otherwise the devs expects more. ;-) [07:52] minghua, However, I can't install debian now [07:53] minghua: I expect at least common sense [07:53] ajmitch__: the guy's wiki says this -- ``I'm just rallying for greater security in general. If I seem strange to you, don't give it a second thought; I'm neither primarily a Debian or Ubuntu user.'' [07:53] cassou: let me put it this way: if upstream/debian maintainer says your patch is good, I am willing to upload your patch even I know nothing about squeak (as long as it builds) [07:54] ajmitch_: I know. I was just kidding. [07:54] GOSUB: I know, I've run into him a few times on irc as well [07:54] heh [07:54] minghua, if I can [07:54] strange people ... === ajmitch__ is strange [07:55] oh great, my pop host is down. [07:55] minghua, if I can't install debian, to whom do I need to write a mail ? with what information since there is no debian package for squeak currently === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] cassou: oh, squeak is not in debian? try contact upstream, maybe. [07:56] by upstream, you mean squeak community ? I'm one of them already [07:56] I do not have squeak patches, but packages patches :-) [07:57] cassou: what is the malone bug number? [07:57] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/36804 [07:57] Malone bug 36804 in squeak-vm "Desktop file needs update" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [07:58] (for example) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] hi Hobbsee, tritium [07:59] hi ajmitch__ [07:59] cassou: I suggest writing a mail to ogra or MOTU mailing list [08:00] cassou: I can upload a fix for 36804 but I suppose you need more than that [08:00] I thought it was automatic when filling a bug [08:00] minghua, it will be a good start if you upload the fix. [08:01] minghua, but you are right: we need more :-) [08:01] hey ajmitch__ === ajmitch__ needs to put together a hackergotchi for launchpad :) [08:04] cassou: about bug 36806, squeak-vm fails to build on amd64 (and powerpc): https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/180761 [08:04] Malone bug 36806 in squeak-vm "amd64 version" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36806 [08:04] cassou: can you figure out why? [08:06] cassou: As you say you are from upstream community, I am willing to review your patches and upload them if ogra is busy [08:06] cassou: but I still suggest you contact him first [08:06] I removed dapper-amd64 to test squeak32 as requested by someone from squeak community. Can I try to compile it without reinstalling everything ? [08:06] minghua, I will try to contact him [08:07] cassou: probably not. but reading the build logs is usually inspiring [08:08] cassou: but it wouldn't be hard to have a 64bit chroot from what I heard [08:08] ajmitch__: send me a pic, I will make one for you [08:08] minghua, never tried to chroot :-( === ajmitch__ has no decent pics :) [08:09] heh [08:12] minghua, I just contact him [08:14] cassou: feel free to ping me when you have patch ready (I would prefer some other people to confirm your patch, but for the .desktop file I can see it's good) [08:15] minghua, did you upload it ? [08:16] cassou: you want me to? [08:17] minghua, why not ? It would be a good start. But you may have reasons not to do it or you may think there are better solutions ? [08:18] cassou: no, I don't have any objections, I'll upload === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] minghua, thank you very much. It's one point solved === otep [n=demo@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === otep [n=demo@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [08:19] minghua, can you close the bug too ? [08:19] hmm, why is squeak-vm in multiverse... [08:20] minghua, squeak has some problems with copyrighted fonts if I remember well [08:20] cassou: yes. but you probably want to test the autobuilt package before closing the bug? [08:20] minghua, can you explain me what autobuild is ? [08:21] cassou: I'll upload only the source. then there is a build machine that builds the binary package [08:22] (and packages for different arches are built by different machines, obviously) [08:22] minghua, what do I need to do ? [08:23] minghua, I'm sorry my ubuntu machine is not started and I'm not at home to switch it on. So I'll have to wait to test it [08:23] cassou: wait until the package I upload (should be 3.7.7-5ubuntu4) appears in achive, install it, test that the .desktop works, and close the bug [08:24] minghua, but I still would like the explanation to test everything this afternoon [08:24] minghua, ok, thanks [08:24] cassou: "the explanation to test everything"? please rephrase [08:25] minghua, I was just waiting for your comments on how to test the patch. I got it now. Thanks [08:26] minghua, thank you for your help. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] minghua, If I already have squeak-vm installed, I will just have to apt-get update/upgrade to upgrade the package to your version ? [08:29] cassou: does squeak-vm handles images? [08:29] there is now images now. It is another bug however [08:29] cassou: and your patch doesn't apply (the icon is already fixed, de_DE translation is already added) [08:30] minghua, I'm sorry, I need to leave you now. Thank for your fix, I will continue working later [08:30] cassou: okay. see you then [08:30] minghua, I was waiting for that problem. It seems I did not manage to get a real diff. I did not find documentation [08:31] minghua, what I changed is : [08:31] - adding the french translation [08:31] cassou: paste the correct .desktop then, don't paste a wrong diff [08:31] - modifyng the categorie [08:31] minghua, sorry, I will do that [08:31] siretart: ping. The current wpasupplicant package doesn't handle removing /etc/network/if-p{re-up,ost-down}.d/wpasupplicant, which seems to have been superceded by /etc/network/if-{down,pre-up,post-down}.d/0_wpasupplicant [08:31] minghua, thank you for your time === azeem_ [n=mbanck@138.246.7.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] cassou: please paste now so I can upload later [08:32] cassou: you are welcome [08:32] minghua, I do not have my computer here, I'm sorry [08:32] cassou: don't worry then, I think I can handle it [08:33] minghua, thank you very much for all [08:34] minghua, I must leave now [08:34] cassou: see you [08:34] I will help squeak and ubuntu later [08:36] Hmm, what is the command to test .desktop files? [08:36] got it, desktop-file-validate === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@acp10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] crimsun: oh. interesting. well, in that case, we should do some postinst magic for that. [09:24] crimsun: which upgrade path did you use for having /etc/network/if-p{re-up,ost-down}.d/wpasupplicant lying around? [09:25] siretart: I've not touched any of those [conf] files [09:25] these have been straight upgrades via apt [09:26] 0.4.7->0.4.8, that is, and all Ubuntu Dapper versions [09:27] crimsun: I see. if time permits, I will look into this today, and write a workaround for that in our trunk/ branch. then we can decide if we do another upload of trunk/ to ubuntu or not [09:27] hey siretart [09:27] siretart: sounds good, thanks. [09:28] should be good enough to simply check for the existence of the obsolete conffile and nuke it [09:28] huhu ajmitch [09:29] crimsun: kel has already written some preinst magic for conffiles. I suspect that we could just lengthen that list of conffiles in preinst [09:30] ok === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua knows why squeak-vm FTBFS on amd64 now [09:46] it's arch: i386 [09:46] doh [09:47] oops === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] minghua, LaserJock worked on squeak (as the changelog would tell :) ) [10:06] ogra: yeah, but since both him and you are not around, I figure I shouldn't discourage cassou too much [10:06] but later I realized he/she doesn't know much about debian/ubuntu [10:07] and probably about squeak ... [10:07] there are three binarys and one script :) === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] all you can do with this package is change the script or the location of the binarys ... [10:08] is there some kind of policy that bugs about menu entries not complying with HIG guidelines are to be set as "Wishlist"? I've had two bugs marked down like that [10:08] but thats pretty much it :) [10:08] (no sources) [10:09] how useful [10:09] btw good morning ogra ;) [10:10] moin moin [10:12] ogra: ah, and cassou told me it's some "font related issues" :-( [10:13] mdke: I am not aware of any policies but I agree with such categorization (unless there is a patch) === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] minghua, why? bad menu entries are bugs like all others === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] minghua, right, the squeak license forbids to change the fonts iirc === verwilst is happily using pure-ftpd 1.0.21 ;) [10:15] mdke: IMO they are the same as feature requests, but that's just my opinion [10:16] minghua, I don't see how changing a menu entry with a usability problem is "adding a new feature to a program in Ubuntu". I'd say they are minor or normal bugs [10:17] mdke: Hmm, I don't want to argue, and I don't really care [10:17] fair enough [10:17] I'll do a patch anyway [10:18] mdke: get the patch ready and it will get applied regardless of the severity [10:18] indeed, that's the way I prefer [10:20] argh. there is no desktop file in the source [10:21] ogra: hrhr, I can only smile at arnieboys answer to my 'genuine concerns'.. [10:22] siretart, heh [10:22] siretart: you're still even reading that thread? [10:22] i *love* peter garrets short commments in that thread :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0278.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] morning dholbach [10:24] heya ajmitch [10:24] hey guys [10:24]