[01:09] <lns> hey anyone have/know of a free vmware 5.x image that utilizes PXE?
[01:09] <lns> the only one i can find is from emboot
[01:09] <axl000> how can i know my actual cpu frequency and temperature???
[01:10] <lns> axl000, from within edubuntu?
[01:10] <axl000> yes
[01:10] <axl000> whit a command
[01:11] <axl000> at least the frequency
[01:11] <lns> 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[01:11] <axl000> are u sure that show me the actual frequency??
[01:12] <axl000> the right now freq?
[01:12] <lns> define frequency, it could mean a few things
[01:12] <axl000> lol sorry for my english
[01:12] <axl000> example
[01:12] <axl000> centrino 1700mhz or 800mhz
[01:13] <lns> right - cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:13] <axl000> i need to know the right now freq, not the max or min
[01:13] <lns> oh
[01:13] <axl000> mmm
[01:13] <axl000> then
[01:13] <lns> hrm
[01:13] <axl000> cat ...
[01:14] <axl000> ?
[01:14] <lns> you got me..not sure
[01:15] <axl000> thanks
[01:16] <axl000> i try openning openoffice, and the speed change
[01:16] <axl000> lol
[01:16] <axl000> but i still need the temp
[01:16] <axl000> :[
[01:18] <lns> try cpudyn, that might give you the current freq. since it does dynamic scaling
[01:19] <lns> or maybe powernowd
[01:21] <axl000> i find the solution "acpi -V"
[01:21] <axl000> thanks anyway
[01:22] <lns> oooo, nice
[01:26] <iGotNoTime> Can I get a bit of support?
[01:26] <iGotNoTime> I am having serious issues with sound devices
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> I just bought a new USB headset and it is recognized and working, but not in my telephony programs
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> In my SIP softphone and in Skype both it will not allow me to change the sound device
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> it is greyed out and unclickable
[01:28] <iGotNoTime> yet in the sound devices settings such as my mixer it shows and is working and adjustable
[01:28] <iGotNoTime> how do I enable the device across the whole box?
[01:28] <iGotNoTime> I even tried reinstalling the software
[01:48] <lns> I can't get the "switch user" feature in Dapper to work at all, it either kicks me back to the desktop or says "you must be logged into the console" msg. I would think that this is a feature that might not be a good idea for an LTSP install anyway, I wouldn't want 2-4 sessions going on each client
[01:50] <Burgwork> lns, good point. switch user also requires gdm, which edubuntu doesn't use on clients
[01:50] <Burgwork> lns, please file a bug
[01:50] <lns> url me ;)
[01:50] <lns> i can't find it :(
[01:50] <Burgwork> launchpad.net/distros/edubuntu/+filebug
[01:50] <lns> thx
[01:51] <Burgwork> make that /ubuntu/+filebug
[01:51] <lns> ahh ok
[01:52] <lns> also, for edubuntu/ltsp specifically I would recommend against the shading when you select log out, it's very slow and choppy over a 100mbit network
[01:52] <lns> dunno how hard it would be to disable that
[01:53] <Sergi0> any of u guys know NX? 
[01:53] <lns> Sergi0, i was checking nx out yesterday a little
[01:54] <lns> looks pretty cool, but proprietary
[01:54] <Sergi0> its damn fast, im trying one of the testservers, connection is real nice
[01:55] <lns> but isn't this more like vnc than ltsp? that's what turned me off
[01:55] <lns> you already have to have an OS to run it
[01:56] <Sergi0> hmm i've didnt go that far, just checked the site and run it
[02:00] <iGotNoTime> can anyone help with my sound problem please?
[02:01] <iGotNoTime> My SIP phone the audio device for both ringing and calls is set to 0
[02:01] <Sergi0> iGotNoTime u got sound on the headset?
[02:01] <iGotNoTime> but my USB headset is not listed as an option, in fact nothing can even be clicked
[02:01] <iGotNoTime> yes through edubuntu
[02:01] <iGotNoTime> but not with any voice clients
[02:02] <iGotNoTime> even when it is set to primary sound card
[02:02] <iGotNoTime> it is completely configurable in the sound settings of edubuntu, but not selectable in any apps
[02:03] <Sergi0> hmm
[02:03] <Sergi0> an in others apps?
[02:03] <iGotNoTime> as in Gizmo, Xten and Skype
[02:03] <iGotNoTime> the option to change device is greyed out
[02:04] <Sergi0> im not sure i can help, maybe ask in #ubuntu or search google/forum 
[02:04] <iGotNoTime> :)
[02:04] <iGotNoTime> thanks anyway :)
[02:05] <lns> iGotNoTime, did you try running these programs as root to eliminate any security restrictions on the sound device?
[02:06] <iGotNoTime> negative good call
[02:06] <iGotNoTime> will try now
[02:06] <iGotNoTime> just sudo start it?
[02:06] <lns> sure
[02:06] <lns> as long as you're a sudoer
[02:08] <iGotNoTime> that did it!
[02:08] <iGotNoTime> Thank you so much!
[02:08] <iGotNoTime> Ins you are godlike!
[02:11] <lns> w00t ;)
[02:12] <lns> thanks!
[02:12] <lns> iGotNoTime, just please don't use root as a fix
[02:12] <iGotNoTime> :D
[02:12] <lns> fix your permissions instead
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> so basically I need to find a way to allow the sound settings to be controlled by my user?
[02:13] <lns> iGotNoTime, try verifying if you are a member of the 'audio' group
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> ok thank you again :)
[02:13] <lns> no prob. =) glad i could help
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> does the "audio group" have a secret name?
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> there is no audio group in my groups list
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> could explain alot about the problem LOL
[02:14] <lns> ;) maybe
[02:15] <lns> let's check my edubuntu install
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> could it be daemon?
[02:15] <lns> i wouldn't imagine
[02:15] <lns> do this: cat /etc/group | grep audio
[02:15] <lns> also, whatever device your usb headset is using
[02:15] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: there is an 'audio' group
[02:15] <lns> ok
[02:15] <lns> what's the dev name of your usb headset
[02:16] <iGotNoTime> ok found it, didn't see the check all box :P
[02:16] <lns> ahh
[02:16] <lns> are you on a thin client doing this?
[02:17] <iGotNoTime> Ins negative
[02:17] <iGotNoTime> the dev name I don't know in the GUI it simply says Logitech USB Headset
[02:18] <iGotNoTime> I think they are seperated as DSP and DSP1
[02:19] <iGotNoTime> ok bad news, it says I AM a member of the audio group
[02:19] <iGotNoTime> so it is a different group that the headset is on maybe?
[02:19] <lns> you probably need permissions to access the sound device (headset)
[02:20] <lns> find out what the /dev filename is for it and change permissions to allow your user r/w access to it
[02:20] <lns> then logout/login
[02:21] <iGotNoTime> how do I find dev filename for the device?
[02:21] <iGotNoTime> and where do those permissions get edited from?
[02:21] <lns> dmesg
[02:21] <lns> look for when you inserted the usb headset
[02:22] <lns> it should show a /dev/*name* assign when you put it in
[02:22] <lns> edit it from the terminal
[02:24] <iGotNoTime> ok thanks again for all the help :)
[02:25] <iGotNoTime> trying to reboot now :)
[02:26] <lns> Can anyone help me find a walkthrough for enabling sound for edubuntu thin clients?
[02:26] <lns> I'm not seeing any detected sound devices available
[02:28] <Sergi0> well, i could try help, but ive not setup any thinclient, will try soon 
[02:28] <lns> thx Sergi0 
[02:30] <Sergi0> Ins one question for you, a ltsp thin-client, what does the client do exacly? just boot kernel and start X? or does it do a fully linux bootup with all the dev/etc 
[02:32] <LNS> ;)
[02:34] <LNS> AFAIK, thin client steps include: PXE -> DHCP -> TFTP kernel download/exec from server -> Pivot_root -> DHCP (again) -> login manager contacts LTSP server
[02:35] <LNS> sorry, before login manager, NFS mounts client filesys
[02:35] <Sergi0> LNS ay okay, thanks :)
[02:36] <Sergi0> the Il isue
[08:45] <highvoltage> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/computing/2006/0603291040.asp?A=SME&S=SME&O=FPIN
[08:46] <highvoltage> does anyone here actually know someone that uses linspire?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: that was a big loss for Ubuntu
[08:50] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yeah, i think it's a big loss for hp users too
[08:55] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: funny what they said "linspire had good support"
[08:56] <Burgundavia> which was a slap to Ubuntu'
[08:58] <highvoltage> it's been ages since i installed linspire, but last time i did, it wasn't very impressive.
[08:58] <highvoltage> people tend to say things like "but it's debian based, so you can just apt-get install!"
[08:58] <highvoltage> but the quality of their packages aren't as good as debian or ubuntu's.
[08:59] <highvoltage> or at least, that was my impression.
[09:00] <Burgundavia> last I used was linspire 5.0 live cd
[09:00] <Burgundavia> I was underwhelmed
[09:01] <Burgundavia> they have a borked numbering scheme too
[09:01] <highvoltage> as does most software :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> http://workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html
[09:01] <Burgundavia> no, take a peak
[09:01] <highvoltage> the trend seems to be that, the more widely the software is used, the more broken its versioning is.
[09:03] <highvoltage> yeah
[10:42] <JaneW> I don;t think ogra will be in today
[10:45] <Burgundavia> JaneW: hello
[10:47] <JaneW> hi Burgundavia 
[12:12] <highvoltage> ogra: i think you told me once that it's better to add users from gui in edubuntu, because the adduser command doesn't do everything (like add users in certain groups), is this still true?
[12:13] <mhz> re
[12:13] <mhz> Hi all, people in the house!
[12:14] <mhz> put your hands in the air and say "yo-o"
[12:16] <mhz> highvoltage: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/computing/2006/0603291040.asp?A=SME&S=SME&O=FPIN <--
[12:17] <mhz> Could the foundation insert its own cheap, new brand of laptops with Ubuntu?
[12:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[12:17] <bimberi> highvoltage: true for ubuntu, i guess edubuntu is similar
[12:18] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[12:18] <highvoltage> mhz: i posted that link to the channel earlier this morning :)
[12:18] <JaneW> highvoltage: Afrikaans word for current : hydige or huidige? or something else enitrely?
[12:18] <mhz> highvoltage: last time I checked you could sell cheap laptops (low cost, I mean, not "crappy") in Chile for about U$300 - 350 if imported from China or India
[12:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: huidiglik is closest match to "current", i suppose it depends on context, "huidige" is otherwise closest match for "currently"
[12:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: " Selects the current column." -> "Kies die huidige kolom."
[12:20] <mhz> JaneW: hi there, I hope everything is alright.
[12:20] <JaneW> I was taking a break and trying to do some translations
[12:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: yeah, that sounds right
[12:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: sometimes just doing something else takes the edge off.
[12:20] <JaneW> being a non native speaker, I get quickly flumoxed!
[12:20] <mhz> .oO(lol... taking brakes = keeping working)
[12:20] <highvoltage> (or helps you re-focuss to what you actually want to do when you get back)
[12:20] <JaneW> yup
[12:21] <JaneW> and not completely WABing in this case
[12:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: i get flumoxed too! and it's supposed to be my first language!
[12:21] <JaneW> WAB - work avoidance behaviour
[12:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: LOL, well then I don't feel so bad ;)
[01:21] <mhz_libre> re
[01:21] <mhz_libre> highvoltage: sorry, ISP
[01:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: do you know when flight 6 is launched?
[01:56] <JaneW> highvoltage: today
[01:57] <mhz> JaneW: I was asked during last weekend FLISOL if Ubuntu/Edubuntu will include XGL. "I have no idea, but I'll ask"
[01:57] <mhz> JaneW: will it? :D
[01:58] <JaneW> what is that?
[01:58] <mhz> hehehe, well, that was part of my answer as well
[02:00] <mhz> what I saw XGL in action was  something the user could handle to change desktops in 3D and also have several eye-candy effects
[02:00] <mhz> I believe it obviously has something to do with xorg
[02:00] <highvoltage> mhz: ubuntu won't have the whole XGL/compiz/etc thing by dapper (or even dapper+1)
[02:00] <mhz> okis
[02:00] <highvoltage> mhz: it's still in very, very early development
[02:00] <mhz> thx
[02:03] <bimberi> mhz: there's a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto and some other info at http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[02:04] <mhz> bimberi: oh, tahnks
[02:04] <bimberi> mhz: np :)
[02:04] <mhz> damn! firefox got stcuk
[02:04] <mhz> stuck
[02:07] <bimberi> highvoltage: do you have any issues with having ubotu in here?
[02:07] <highvoltage> bimberi: not at all, i was planning to bring in our own bot when my connection was fixed, but i think we're fine with having ubotu here
[02:08] <bimberi> highvoltage: great :)  i'll ask cafuego about it at the next opportunity
[02:09] <highvoltage> bimberi: kewl
[02:09] <mhz> whois cafuego?
[02:10] <bimberi> mhz: cafuego runs the machine that runs ubotu (#ubuntu channel bot)
[02:11] <mhz> oh, i see
[02:33] <spacey> i thought seveas managed the bot
[02:33] <spacey> or was that ubugto
[02:33] <spacey> or something
[02:33] <Seveas> ubugtu is mine
[02:34] <Seveas> ubotu is cafuegos baby
[02:34] <spacey> i like ubugtu :P
[02:34] <Seveas> then hug him 
[02:34] <highvoltage> who is ubuntulog then?
[02:34] <Seveas> a bitchx client from fabbione
[02:34] <highvoltage> Seveas: *bothug*
[02:34] <spacey> not here :p
[02:34] <spacey> damn i'm tired
[02:35] <spacey> just came back from tour through a office building
[02:35] <spacey> i think i've find myself some officespace
[02:35] <spacey> really sweet
[02:36] <spacey> now prepare for the meeting 
[02:36] <Seveas> you have 3.5 hours for that ;)
[02:37] <spacey> i'll need 2
[02:37] <spacey> unfortunately i have to leave early
[02:37] <Seveas> then you have 1.5 hours to spare ;)
[02:37] <Seveas> @part
[02:37] <spacey> so i have to prepare even more
[02:37] <spacey> but something really important came up
[02:37] <spacey> pygi will have to round the meeting up tonight
[02:38] <spacey> too bad UTC is now -2 hours
[02:38] <bimberi> Seveas: is Ubugtu a blootbot as well?
[02:38] <spacey> else it would not have been a problem
[02:38] <Seveas> no, it's a supybot
[02:39] <bimberi> ah, it was very unresponsive when i /queried it once :)
[02:39] <Seveas> it's suppoed to say very little
[02:40] <bimberi> py indicates python i guess
[02:40] <highvoltage> yep
[02:40] <Seveas> python all the way
[02:42] <bimberi> indeed! the supybot website is plone
[02:54] <Pygi> spacey: around?
[02:54] <spacey> yup
[02:54] <Seveas> "spacey has just left the building"
[02:54] <spacey> Pygi: unfortunately i have to leave after 45-60 min of the meeting
[02:54] <spacey> something really important came up
[02:55] <spacey> so you will have to round it up
[02:55] <Pygi> spacey: ah, ok ,I'll continue the meeting
[02:55] <spacey> i will work some more on the drafts now
[02:55] <Pygi> I hope nothing bad arrisen :-/
[02:55] <spacey> so we can save some time tonight
[02:55] <spacey> but i'm really tired
[02:55] <Pygi> ah :-/
[02:55] <Pygi> spacey: just go rest ...
[02:56] <spacey> just have to bring my girlfriend to a doctor who leaves on holiday tomorrow
[02:56] <spacey> :)
[02:56] <spacey> quite important
[02:56] <spacey> Pygi: i want to write some stuff in the wiki first
[02:56] <Pygi> spacey: please go rest now ^_^ 
[02:56] <spacey> then have a short nap
[02:56] <spacey> :)
[02:56] <Pygi> ah,ok ^_^
[02:57] <spacey> too bad UTC is one extra hour differance now
[02:57] <Pygi> bah, same here :-P
[02:58] <Pygi> spacey: I have to cancel some things I had to do today :-/
[02:59] <spacey> Pygi: so its one hour too late for you now? :P
[02:59] <Pygi> nah, it's good, no worries :)
[02:59] <spacey> ok
[02:59] <spacey> can't change it again
[02:59] <Pygi> lol, yes I know :-P
[02:59] <Pygi> it's 14:00 UTC now
[03:00] <Pygi> or?
[03:00] <Pygi> My time: 15:00 ;)
[03:01] <spacey> its 13:00 now
[03:01] <spacey> UTC
[03:01] <spacey> 15:00 here as well
[03:01] <spacey> Thu Mar 30 15:01:38 CEST 2006
[03:02] <Pygi> spacey: o, really, it ois
[03:02] <Pygi> it is*
[03:02] <spacey> yeah
[03:03] <Pygi> spacey: and the meeting is 16:00 UTC, right?
[03:03] <spacey> because of summer time
[03:03] <spacey> changed last weekend
[03:03] <spacey> here at least:)
[03:03] <Pygi> yes, I forgot that :-P
[03:03] <spacey> yup
[03:03] <Pygi> so meeting in 3 hours from now :)
[03:04] <spacey> yup
[03:43] <spacey> Pygi: i've added some info on the pages which will be discussed during the meeting, all expect the deadlines page
[03:43] <spacey> please read up and add some things
[03:43] <spacey> :)
[03:43] <Pygi> k, will do ^_^
[03:44] <spacey> i'm gonna take a chill out break for 30 min and look again
[03:44] <Pygi> k, ping me once ur back
[03:44] <spacey> ok
[03:46] <Pygi>  /kickban highvoltage for 30 minutes
[03:47] <highvoltage> :)
[03:49] <mhz> highvoltage: as usual, again, by the time the meeting is held, I'll be on my way to a diff meeting
[03:49] <mhz> :(
[04:01] <Pygi> :-/
[04:06] <spacey> mhz: if you have anything we should discuss please let us know
[04:07] <mhz> spacey: I ahve been so off project lately that I am in no position to make requests. I will follow the lead and decisions you make, at least until I can get on the road as I'd should
[04:07] <mhz> spacey: thx for the consideration, though
[04:09] <Pygi> spacey: let's work on deadlines
[04:09] <mhz> I have read the "status" and it shows you guys know what your are talking about
[04:09] <mhz> so I am very confident.
[04:09] <Pygi> mhz: what? where? why? we? I am lost ^_^
[04:10] <mhz> spacey: Pygi: maybe I can commit to test the doc works just like it should in a lab env.
[04:10] <Pygi> mhz: great, we'll see ^_^
[04:10] <mhz> and also, I can commit to read it all from a non-native english speaker (me lives in chile)
[04:11] <Pygi> :-P
[04:11] <mhz> I will be able to test dapper only from next thursday
[04:11] <mhz> :(
[04:12] <mhz> so not much I can do before that
[04:12] <mhz> unless you need edubuntu breeezy stuff
[04:12] <Pygi> mhz: I suggest you don't commit too much stuff to urself :-P
[04:14] <Pygi> spacey; are you alive? ;)
[04:14] <spacey> phone :)
[04:14] <Pygi> ah, means you aren't :P
[04:15] <mhz> yeah, Pygi that's wahy I mean by "maybe". I mean, if you need my hands and head, I can work on one of those choires, or anything you think I can do in my 2 hours a day
[04:15] <spacey> back
[04:16] <Pygi> mhz: your help will be appreciated, no worries ^_^
[04:16] <mhz> Maybe that is a good way to see how much time we need. If it is possible to split everything into hours, we'll know how much we can do a day
[04:16] <spacey> what did you think of: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/RolesAndResponsibilities
[04:16] <spacey> mhz: maybe you have some doc experience to make such a expected hours calculation?
[04:17] <Pygi> spacey: it's good for now ^_^
[04:17] <spacey> would be a good idea to do that per chapter
[04:17] <Pygi> mhz: you can't split per hour ... rather chapter, or article
[04:17] <mhz> hmmm
[04:18] <mhz> but can we know and estimate how much hours we need in total?
[04:18] <Pygi> if more authors work on chapter, then divide per article
[04:18] <Pygi> mhz: we need a lot of work .... really lot ...
[04:18] <mhz> yeah, hence my concern
[04:18] <Pygi> I would expect everything to be written by, April 20
[04:19] <Pygi> then we'll go with more agressive reviews
[04:19] <mhz> ok, let's say april 15th and have 4 intensive days for corrections
[04:19] <mhz> oh
[04:19] <mhz> I see
[04:19] <mhz> 20th + some days
[04:20] <mhz> ok, so lots of work = X hours ?
[04:20] <mhz> aprox.
[04:20] <Pygi> depends on number of authors, 10 hours per chapter?
[04:20] <Pygi> if reasonable chapter
[04:21] <spacey> an hour estimate per chapter would be good
[04:22] <Pygi> that is not needed for now
[04:22] <Pygi> I believe at least
[04:22] <Pygi> I'll be doing a rough tech QA when they submit it, and we'll have intensive QA once we hit April, 20
[04:24] <mhz> the way I see it is: 1st, get to know total amount of hours for the whole cookbook / 2nd, make a list of priority chapters and estimate total amount of hours /3rd, massive request for help /4th, set deadline with contributors answering to the requesto for help /5th, designate readers /6th, review all work and make corrections /7th, move on with rest of chapters
[04:25] <mhz> obvioulsy, it is key to estimate an average of hours needed per each designated chapter
[04:25] <mhz> because maybe contributor is perfect for the chapter BUT he can offer less hours than needed
[04:27] <Pygi> no worries ... that's why he/she can write articles for the chapter
[04:27] <Pygi> chapters are divided into articles
[04:29] <mhz> cool
[04:29] <mhz> so each author commits to articles?
[04:31] <Pygi> yes, or if he/she is able, they can contribute to entire chapter
[04:31] <Pygi> but in ways of articles ;)
[04:31] <Pygi> spacey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Deadlines
[04:32] <Pygi> mhz, you may look as well :P
[04:32] <spacey> techwise first then language wise?
[04:32] <spacey> Pygi: chapters dived in articles?
[04:32] <spacey> how do you picture that?
[04:33] <Pygi> well, let's say we have "Introduction" (but we don't)
[04:33] <Pygi> there could be articles "Philosphy" "Why Edubuntu" "etc" "etc"
[04:33] <Pygi> and such ;)
[04:34] <Pygi> spacey: so we want techwise first?
[04:34] <spacey> well i think it makes more sense
[04:34] <Pygi> I think we should get everything checked for normal english, but ok ^_^
[04:34] <mhz> i agree, so far to 100%
[04:34] <spacey> since tech changes, changes text
[04:34] <Pygi> yup, true
[04:34] <spacey> and then you introduce new language bugs
[04:34] <spacey> :)
[04:34] <mhz> exactly
[04:34] <spacey> i think checking for normal english is also a process which should happen constantly
[04:34] <mhz> + techie is faster to write
[04:35] <mhz> (less words)
[04:35] <Pygi> spacey: yes, it will ... but this is a intensive testing period ;)
[04:35] <spacey> yeah ok
[04:37] <Pygi> spacey: I'll be able to check all tech-wise every time article is submited/changed
[04:37] <spacey> ok
[04:38] <spacey> mhz: you checkt the points up for the meeting on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/ ?
[04:38] <spacey> chapters needs some love
[04:38] <mhz> yeah, I checked but I am getting ready to leave for my meeting
[04:39] <mhz> :(
[04:40] <Pygi> spacey: ok, changed a few things ... but I lost those good looking mail icons :(
[04:41] <spacey> right
[04:41] <spacey> what do you mean?:P
[04:41] <Pygi> in that maintainers contact ...
[04:41] <spacey> i still see them
[04:41] <Pygi> now some bad icons are there :P
[04:41] <spacey> but i have the edubuntut heme
[04:41] <spacey> who cares:p
[04:42] <Pygi> ah :P
[04:42] <Pygi> I've edited some subpages as well  ^_^
[04:42] <Pygi> I have some general idea on how we should do the meeting ... ;)
[04:42] <Pygi> not on wiki tho ;)
[04:43] <Pygi> it's gonna take ages to discuss all ;)
[04:43] <Pygi> joy, so much conflicts on the page (!!!?)
[04:43] <spacey> Pygi: for the meeting just follow the agenda
[04:44] <Pygi> spacey: yes, agreed, but you'll see ;)
[04:45] <Yagisan> G'day spacey. Thanks for the mirror. I've uploaded the repo to it now. took a while though.
[04:47] <spacey> ok :)
[04:48] <Yagisan> spacey: how fast is your mirror ?
[04:48] <spacey> 10Mbit
[04:49] <Yagisan> nice. I'll list it as a slower mirror so people don't all jump on it
[04:50] <spacey> Yagisan: at least its faster then yours
[04:50] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[04:50] <spacey> Yagisan: i don't care about data traffic
[04:50] <spacey> its free
[04:50] <Yagisan> spacey: yes it is. I wish the offered that here.
[04:50] <Yagisan> really ?
[04:51] <spacey> really free
[04:51] <spacey> :p
[04:51] <spacey> the box in my room
[04:51] <spacey> university connection
[04:51] <Yagisan> nice
[04:52] <spacey> so don't worry about it
[04:52] <spacey> bandwidth is there to be used
[04:52] <spacey> :D
[04:52] <Yagisan> I pay for mine. even if I could afford faster, I can't get it
[04:52] <spacey> i hope i will get 100mbit in my new office space
[04:52] <Yagisan> spacey: how would you like to be attributed ?
[04:53] <spacey> what do you mean
[04:53] <Yagisan> currently I have "Provided by Herman Bos (Ubuntu Community)"
[04:53] <spacey> thats fine
[04:53] <spacey> or you can add hbos@ubuntu.com
[04:53] <spacey> what you like
[04:53] <spacey> doesn't matter to me
[04:54] <Yagisan> no worries then.
[04:54] <Pygi> cracks*
[04:54] <Pygi> Yagisan: what are you hosting/mirroring?
[04:54] <spacey> Pygi: i'll give you a crate of beer if you can :)
[04:55] <Yagisan> Pygi: 1) http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/
[04:55] <Yagisan> Pygi: 2) http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-research/technologies/e-yagi-security-enhanced-linux/
[04:56] <Yagisan> the eventual goal is to fold both into ubutu proper
[04:56] <Pygi> spacey: I suggest you don't play with me :-P
[04:56] <Yagisan> s/ubutu/ubuntu
[04:56] <spacey> Pygi: heh? :)
[04:56] <Yagisan> 1 via motu, 2) via specs etc
[04:57] <spacey> Pygi: if you root my box (without shell access) and don't destroy anything you certainly get a crate of beer :)
[04:57] <Pygi> spacey: bah ;)
[04:57] <spacey> because if you can do it, others can do it, and I rather like to know :)
[04:57] <Yagisan> I'd like that challange
[04:57] <Yagisan> but I don't drink beer
[04:58] <spacey> Yagisan: a crate of coca cola :)
[04:58] <Pygi> coca cola bad :-P
[04:58] <spacey> fanta? :P
[04:58] <Pygi> fanta bad :P
[04:58] <spacey> Yagisan: i don't think you can crack my box without using your shell access
[04:59] <Pygi> spacey: ah, it doesn't matter after all :)
[04:59] <spacey> :p
[04:59] <spacey> at least i run apache with mod_chroot
[04:59] <Yagisan> spacey: on a default ubuntu install, no - its rather good actually. That'w why I also use it
[04:59] <spacey> so that would make it quite difficult
[05:00] <Yagisan> yep
[05:00] <spacey> unless you have some good unknown exploits for vsftpd/openssh it will be quite hard
[05:00] <spacey> :)
[05:00] <Pygi> ;)
[05:00] <spacey> and if your in its firewalled quite heavily so you cannot use it for anything useful
[05:00] <spacey> :)
[05:00] <Yagisan> hmm, philps head screwdriver ;)
[05:01] <spacey> i like security:D
[05:01] <Yagisan> yes, like rsync from you box
[05:01] <spacey> Yagisan: you should combine some of your efforts with ubuntu-hardened
[05:02] <spacey> Pygi: anything else we need to do before the meeting?
[05:02] <Pygi> spacey: no, not really ^_^ you can go rest if you want ^_^
[05:02] <spacey> ok
[05:02] <spacey> i might have an one hour nap
[05:03] <spacey> would do me well
[05:03] <Yagisan> spacey: I think I actually started before ubuntu-hardened existed. I was doing research well before the UDU conference
[05:03] <spacey> Yagisan: does it matter? :P
[05:04] <Yagisan> I just had 0 chance of getting it in untill ssp when mainline
[05:04] <spacey> ubuntu-hardened should make it practically available
[05:04] <Yagisan> s/when/went
[05:04] <spacey> although the project is pretty dead atm
[05:04] <spacey> so thats why it would be good to combine forces
[05:04] <spacey> since it seems you actually do something
[05:04] <spacey> :)
[05:05] <Yagisan> spacey: I look at it (and am on the lists etc) but it looks like trulux promoting vsecurity
[05:05] <spacey> Yagisan: well he is working on vsecurity
[05:05] <spacey> there can be much more
[05:05] <spacey> if people step up
[05:05] <spacey> unfortunately idon't have time
[05:05] <Yagisan> I intend to post to the list once a full harderned toolchain is built
[05:05] <spacey> but i'm really interested in it
[05:05] <spacey> and will at least provide testing if its useful for me
[05:06] <spacey> ok
[05:06] <Yagisan> I have little time too.
[05:06] <Yagisan> that's why it's taken so long
[05:06] <Yagisan> what I'd like is access to a ppc box
[05:06] <Yagisan> I have amd64/i386
[05:06] <Yagisan> but have no idea if this works on ppc
[05:08] <Yagisan> spacey: current status, on the page in 2) updates when new things hit the repo. 
[05:08] <Pygi> Yagisan, please let spacey sleep ;)
[05:08] <Yagisan> ?
[05:09] <Yagisan> what time is it there ?
[05:09] <Yagisan> it's 2am here
[05:09] <Pygi> 17:09, but he's tired, and we have a meeting soon :P
[05:09] <Pygi> in less then an hor if I am correct
[05:09] <spacey> :p
[05:09] <spacey> ah yeah
[05:09] <spacey> so no time to sleep
[05:09] <spacey> i'll just watch some anime :P
[05:09] <spacey> i'll be back in 45 minutes
[05:10] <Yagisan> sure. no worries. I'll got back to auditing 1's codebase for license troubles
[05:10] <spacey> Yagisan: i have no ppc either
[05:10] <Pygi> s/hor/hour
[05:10] <Yagisan> s/got/get
[05:11] <Yagisan> Pygi:  interested in any of the the repos ?
[05:11] <Pygi> Yagisan: haven't looked ;)
[05:12] <Pygi> And sorry, I can't help if that's what you mean ... I ain't sleeping for several days already, and there is still a lot to be done ^_^
[05:13] <Yagisan> Pygi: nope, not looking for help (at this stage). But feedback is always nice if you use them.
[05:14] <Pygi> hm, what is in those repos?
[05:15] <Pygi> I'll go grab something to eat, I'll be back ASAP
[05:16] <Yagisan> Pygi: 1 is a game. 2, patched binutils, and gcc41 from debian experimental, built from those patched binutils.
[05:16] <Pygi> what kind of game? 
[05:17] <Pygi> I am supposed to organize Linux gaming "festival" soon, so I might be interested in testing...
[05:17] <cbx33> HI all
[05:17] <Yagisan> Pygi: a Doom port
[05:18] <Pygi> Yagistan: Doom1 ? :P
[05:18] <Yagisan> Pygi: Doomsday. 3d models like Quake2, high res textures eg. Also runs heretic and hexen, but they have less models and textures.
[05:19] <Yagisan> Pygi: yes, 1, 2 and final doom work fine
[05:19] <Yagisan> Pygi: freedoom isn't fully supported. 
[05:19] <Yagisan> Pygi: but if you rename it doom2.wad, and install as doom2, you can play pwads with it fine
[05:19] <Pygi> ah,k
[05:31] <spacey> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 30 minutes! **
[05:31] <spacey> :P
[05:31] <spacey> ping ogra, etc.
[05:33] <Pygi> spacey: go to sleep ;)
[05:34] <Pygi> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 27 minutes! **
[05:34] <Pygi> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 26 minutes! **
[05:35] <Yagisan> cool. the game upstream was happy I did a license audit over the code
[05:56] <Pygi> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 7 minutes! **
[05:58] <spacey> :)
[05:58] <spacey> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 2 minutes! **
[05:58] <spacey> **** Reminder: Edubuntu Cookbook Meeting @ 16:00 UTC ****** in 1 minute! ** In #ubuntu-meeting
[06:48] <Pygi> JaneW: please ping me on irc when you come, I need to talk to you
[06:51] <Pygi> ogra: are you there?
[07:12] <iGotNoTime> hello everyone :)
[08:20] <Burgwork> Sergi0, would you mind turning that away message off?
[08:29] <Sergi0> Burgwork what is the problem with that?
[08:35] <Sergi0> nm, just that Konversation isnt just my thing
[09:13] <LaserJock> edubuntu installs zenity by default, right?
[09:16] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I don;t see why not. It ships the rest of the gnome desktop
[09:18] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah, I'm guessing only Kubuntu wouldn't have it by default
[09:52] <mhz> spacey: did meeting go well?
[09:59] <iGotNoTime> I never get invited to meetings
[09:59] <iGotNoTime> probably because my beer issues
[10:00] <HedgeMage> mhz: I think spacey is still gone, but the meeting went pretty well :P
[10:01] <mhz> okis, thx HedgeMage 
[10:01] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: This is OSS, you don't get invited, you invite yourself :P
[10:01] <HedgeMage> it was announced on the mailing list.
[10:02] <Pygi> mhz: no, the meeting didn't went well
[10:02] <Pygi> HedgeMage: do not spread false info ;)
[10:02] <Pygi> iGotNoTime: nobody gets a written formal invitation ^_^
[10:05] <HedgeMage> Pygi: so I shouldn't tell iGotNoTime about the embossed, gold-foiled calligraphy you sent me? :P
[10:05] <Pygi> lol :-P
[10:05] <Pygi> HedgeMage: nah ;)
[10:05] <HedgeMage> brb
[10:38] <Pygi> HedgeMage, why you left? :-P
[10:38] <HedgeMage> Pygi: my 3yo got to my laptop
[10:38] <HedgeMage> Pygi: I'll brb I'm sticking him in naptime :)
[10:44] <HedgeMage> back :)
[10:44] <LaserJock> ogra: ping?
[10:44] <HedgeMage> Pygi: hehe, what a coincidence, guitar may be my new hobby :P
[10:46] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:46] <Pygi> HedgeMage: prepare to do a lot of practice ;)
[10:46] <HedgeMage> Pygi: just doing it as a hobby, so I won't need the kind of practice schedule I'm used to
[10:47] <Pygi> HedgeMage: still ^_^ Like 5 hours per day should do it ^_^
[10:47] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:47] <Pygi> that ain't funny :-P
[10:49] <Pygi> HedgeMage: you really need to practice that much if you want "something" in like what...2 years? ;)
[10:49] <HedgeMage> Pygi: heh... I'm sure it shouldn't take me more than a few months to have something... now, whether it's something easy to identify as music is another question :P
[10:50] <Pygi> nah, if you love music, you can pick it up rather quickly
[10:51] <Pygi> the moment when you can listen to the song, and the fingers can go just about the way how the music is playing,...
[10:51] <Pygi> then you'll know you know how to play guitar...
[10:51] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:51] <Pygi> that's true... ;)
[10:51] <Pygi> and it's a great feeling once you finally manage to do it ^_^
[10:53] <Pygi> isn't this discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic? :-P
[10:53] <HedgeMage> I'm getting an acoustical... seems like I'd have more fun with it considering my musical preferences.
[10:53] <HedgeMage> oops, you're right
[10:53] <Pygi> yup, acoustic is much better :)
[11:19] <spacey> poeha
[11:19] <spacey> i'm back
[11:20] <Pygi> joy spacey
[11:20] <Pygi> spacey, sent mail to jane, so no need for u to do it
[11:23] <HedgeMage> hi spacey 
[11:24] <spacey> Pygi: can you cc me
[11:24] <spacey> or something
[11:24] <spacey> i like to get mail :P
[11:24] <Pygi> perhaps :-P
[11:24] <Pygi> spacey, what did you intented to write for cookbook?
[11:25] <spacey> don't know, quite a lot i'm afraid :p
[11:25] <spacey> i'm gonna sleep now
[11:25] <spacey> i'm broken
[11:25] <Pygi> bah, will talk later
[11:25] <spacey> i'll check that mail from you tomorrow
[11:25] <spacey> but please send
[11:25] <spacey> i'm gonna crash
[11:25] <Pygi> :P
[11:25] <spacey> good night :)
[11:26] <Pygi> night ^_^
[11:37] <isomania> hello guys
[11:38] <Pygi> hi
[11:39] <isomania> pygi where from?
[11:39] <Pygi> isomania: hm?
[11:40] <isomania> which one of you guys is edubuntu developer :)
[11:41] <Pygi> bah, what do you need?
[11:42] <isomania> nvm pygi u know any open-source software for meeting?
[11:43] <Pygi> meeting?
[11:43] <Pygi> please be more informative
[11:43] <Pygi> :P
[11:43] <isomania> yeah for school lol XD
[11:43] <isomania> i need some tool's to intergrated with my current project
[11:44] <isomania> i dun't want to make 1 which i'm not really good at it :p
[11:44] <Pygi> bah, you are not informative at all :P
[11:44] <Pygi> you want for example video-meeting software? :P
[11:44] <isomania> yeah
[11:45] <Pygi> Ekiga can be used
[11:46] <isomania> ok thx i'll try
[11:46] <Bluekuja> good night to all channel :)
[11:46] <isomania> btw ebuntu interested in merging with my school management software?
[11:46] <Pygi> hm, explanation?
[11:47] <isomania> ok here goes...
[11:47] <isomania> i create a school management system for malaysia school
[11:48] <isomania> it's in asp, because that's the easiest for me to understand 
[11:48] <isomania> but i'm looking for rapid development which is a team that can help my system grows
[11:48] <Pygi> nop, asp can't be supported you know :)
[11:48] <Burgwork> isomania, check out schooltool
[11:49] <Burgwork> that is the school management tool edubuntu uses
[11:49] <isomania> yeah i know that's y i need you guys
[11:49] <Burgwork> http://www.schooltool.org/
[11:49] <isomania> but the school management that i build are research that the current malaysia school
[11:49] <isomania> the malaysia government way, current procedure, forms
[11:50] <isomania> i also have government permission to execute this program 
[11:50] <isomania> state education department
[11:51] <isomania> guys you follow :p
[11:51] <Burgwork> are you saying that your currently asp-based managment tool integrates into the malaysia govt?
[11:51] <isomania> yes .. not in whole malaysia
[11:51] <isomania> but in kelantan state maybe
[11:52] <isomania> do a research about kelantan in google
[11:52] <Burgwork> would it be possible to write a schooltool plugin that does the same thing?
[11:52] <isomania> my website is www.eonline.com.my or indahmultimedia.com
[11:53] <Pygi> Burgwork: yup, most probably it could
[11:53] <isomania> example which you guy's can work on it you you interested
[11:53] <isomania> because the project is bigger now and my fund can't cover it anymore
[11:54] <Pygi> Burgwork: Schooltool is python right? 
[11:54] <Pygi> and it's modular
[11:54] <Burgwork> Pygi, check and check
[11:55] <isomania> please turn off your auto kick
[11:55] <isomania> lol xd
[11:55] <isomania> Current Tested Development at Ideal School (Sekolah Menengah Bandar Chiku):
[11:55] <isomania> 1.	Communities Portal (IMEP)
[11:55] <Pygi> Burgwork, will do now
[11:55] <Burgwork> I see two issues isomania 
[11:55] <isomania> 2.	Schools Directory
[11:55] <isomania> 3.	Schools Website
[11:55] <Burgwork> 1) program is in asp, which we cannot support
[11:55] <Burgwork> 2) we already have a chosen solution for school management, in a language we can not only support, but like
[11:56] <isomania> can i continue explaining?
[11:57] <isomania> guys hello lol :p
[11:57] <Pygi> ah
[11:57] <Burgwork> isomania, sure. It is great you are here
[11:58] <isomania> ok
[11:58] <isomania> 1st of all our % to execute my project is bright
[11:58] <isomania> because i have the permission to execute in whole kelantan state
[11:58] <isomania> and my project will end up with linux GUI/Shell
[11:59] <isomania> hmm i upload some information for you guys in server
[11:59] <isomania> pdf format
[11:59] <isomania> brb
[12:01] <isomania> http://www.eonline.com.my/paperwork.pdf
[12:04] <isomania> i wanted this project to be free but the biometric causing me to make it comercial
[12:04] <Burgwork> isomania, very cool, but I am not certain how edubuntu can help you (I am certain there is a way)
[12:04] <isomania> the wireless in malaysia school already execute
[12:04] <isomania> network in school setup