[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: uploaded knetworkmanager, thanks for doing that.  thanks Lure too, you both rock
[12:06] <kmon> a round of applause :)
[12:10] <OdyX> Tm_T: thinking of an issue in your version of Kopete
[12:11] <Riddell> hello My8os 
[12:11] <OdyX> Tm_T: in speaking dialog (MSN contact), webcam can be sent (I have no one) and received (my contact doesn't have any) - This should be detected....
[12:12] <Lure> Riddell: will Flight6 include kde 3.5.2?
[12:12] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[12:12] <Riddell> My8os: could you make a wiki page for KubuntuGreece
[12:13] <Lure> great - I hope it will install on my notebook (Flight 5 did not...)
[12:14] <raphink> mornfall: adept translated into french :)
[12:14] <My8os> Riddell: i'll give it a try
[12:15] <raphink> thanks to OdyX  :)
[12:15] <My8os> just give me a pattern and i should write
[12:15] <Riddell> My8os: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGreece
[12:15] <Riddell> Create new empty page
[12:16] <Riddell> and put something in greek there along the lines of "#kubuntu-gr is the channel for the greek kubuntu community"
[12:16] <Riddell> put it in english too
[12:16] <OdyX> raphink: and to marseillai
[12:16] <raphink> yes, too :
[12:16] <raphink> )
[12:16] <Riddell> then I'll put it on kubuntu.org
[12:16] <My8os> ok
[12:17] <Pygi> Lure: I need your help ...ping?
[12:18] <Lure> Pygi: pong
[12:18] <Pygi> Lure: please update dappernetworkmanager page for info on how to install vpn properties, and more info that is needed
[12:18] <Pygi> a lot of new info arisen
[12:19] <Lure> Pygi: better done by Tonio_ - he tested knm with VPN and it works nicely (seen some screenshots)
[12:19] <Pygi> Lure: yes, perhaps...but network-manager-gnome needs info as well
[12:19] <Lure> Pygi: issue is that n-m-vpn packages need to be accepted into Ubuntu - I think we need to ping Keybuk tommorow
[12:19] <Lure> probably together with 0.6.2 UVFe
[12:20] <Pygi> Lure: they are already accepted I think..:?
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: approved! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2215
[12:21] <Lure> Pygi: only VPN code in n-m was left, but additional packages (add-ons) need to get in
[12:21] <kmon> kerry will be included in the default dekstop installation or it will need to be instaled from the repo?
[12:21] <Riddell> kmon: it'll be in universe like beagle
[12:22] <kmon> Riddell: ok, thanxs
[12:22] <Lure> Riddell: since beagle is cool, we may want to look into how to split it to multiple packages
[12:22] <Lure> I would like to reduce GNOME packages on my Kubuntu ;-)
[12:22] <kmon> That would be great :)
[12:22] <Lure> currently beagle package has everything...
[12:22] <Riddell> Lure: yes. it's not immediately obvious which packages are part of the gtk frontend, but it shouldn't be hard to find out if you know anything about mono
[12:22] <Riddell> s/packages/files/
[12:23] <Lure> Riddell: I have some .NET developers as work that may help ;-)
[12:23] <Lure> actually I have thought to maybe research SuSE a bit as they might have already done it properly for RPM
[12:25] <kmon> There's a kind of review of kubuntu dapper in the editor's blog of tux magazine: http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000187
[12:26] <Pygi> Lure: do we only need to include nm-vpn properties?
[12:27] <kmon> The last paragraph is quite nice.
[12:29] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:30] <Riddell> "This brings up two questions: what does this five year number mean, and, well, why?"  what in il-informed author
[12:31] <mornfall> raphink: does it work too?
[12:38] <raphink> mornfall: what?
[12:38] <My8os> Riddell: ready ;)
[12:48] <Riddell> My8os: can you add a title to that page, saying "Kubuntu Greece" but in Greek
[12:49] <mornfall> raphink: the translation
[12:49] <raphink> mornfall: untill the lang packages are rebuilt, I don't know
[12:49] <raphink> but it should
[12:53] <My8os> Riddell: done
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> seems as though either hal or kde picked up a new bug over the last day or two with mounting usb devices. My mp3 player mounts and opens the window with it's contents, but the "mounting /dev/sdb1" window doesn't go away.
[12:54] <Riddell> My8os: http://kubuntu.org/
[12:55] <Riddell> night Lure 
[12:55] <My8os> thats nice...thank u :)
[12:56] <Riddell> My8os: have you told the greek ubuntu people about #kubuntu-gr?
[12:59] <My8os> we (me and NoDgr) just started the hole effort. 
[01:00] <My8os> so we will now spread the word
[01:00] <Riddell> !gr
[01:00] <Riddell> hmm, no bot
[01:03] <Riddell> My8os: you need to work out how to program ubotu 
[01:03] <Riddell> to reply to !gr
[01:03] <Riddell> but I can never work out how to do that
[01:03] <Riddell> My8os: make sure the #ubuntu-gr people know about #kubuntu-gr, it's important for communities to stay in contact
[01:04] <My8os> ok
[01:04] <Riddell> My8os: thanks for starting the kubuntu greece community :)
[01:05] <My8os> its our pleasure :)
[01:22] <My8os> Riddell: if in the future we add a greek forum and i update the KubuntuGreece wiki, will it be shown automatically at kubuntu.org or should i contact u?
[01:23] <Riddell> My8os: just contact me
[01:24] <My8os> ok...and a last question...u said that i need to program ubotu, how do i do that ? :)
[01:28] <Riddell> My8os: see #kubuntu
[01:55] <hendry> Riddell: lo?
[02:09] <Riddell> hendry: hi
[02:13] <hendry> Riddell: is expresso in Kubuntu live dailys?
[02:14] <Riddell> hendry: yes
[02:15] <Riddell> kdesu espresso kde-ui
[02:15] <Riddell> but only use it on a computer where you don't care about the contents of the hard disk
[02:17] <hendry> Riddell: ok
[02:23] <raphink> when is DF6 released ?
[02:34] <Riddell> raphink: tomorrow
[02:34] <raphink> really? :)
[02:34] <raphink> Riddell: are you doing it?
[02:34] <Riddell> raphink: please download iso images tonight then you can rsync them tomorrow morning and help test
[02:35] <raphink> Riddell: do you want my april wallpaper in ?
[02:35] <Riddell> raphink: Mithrandir is
[02:35] <raphink> if so, I can upload it tonight
[02:35] <raphink> well now I mean
[02:35] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, no, leave that for the dist-upgraders :)
[02:35] <raphink> hehe ok :)
[02:35] <raphink> so I'll put it tomorrow evening
[02:35] <raphink> :)
[02:52] <Riddell> do we have kexi mdb packages?
[03:00] <seth> so, is knetworkmanager in universe now?
[03:00] <seth> or is it still building, or what
[03:00] <Riddell> probably still in NEW
[03:01] <seth> ah
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i have a question, not sure if it's for you or lure...
[03:37] <Riddell> I think Tonio_ is asleep
[03:37] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell, btw - this seems odd...
[03:38] <Riddell> what does?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> having you online, and awake, at this time of day
[03:43] <Riddell> team meeting in 20 minutes
[03:43] <Riddell> poor old continental europeans have to wait until 04:00
[03:43] <Hobbsee> which team?
[03:43] <Riddell> ubuntu core-dev
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[03:45] <Parkotron> Has the problem with the Display module been fixed in the Breezy 3.5.2 packages yet?
[03:46] <Riddell> we've replaced the display module in dapper
[03:47] <Parkotron> I'm aware, but I've been told that the Display module is missing entirely in the Breezy packages.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Parkotron: indeed, i found that out last night - tried to point someone to a non-existant location.
[03:47] <Parkotron> I'm currently upgrading, so I can't confirm that yet.
[03:48] <Parkotron> Is there a workaround or fix?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: er...what the heck did you do to the rss feed?  it just gave me a really odd post...
[04:02] <Riddell> hmm?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> kubuntu.org rss feed
[04:02] <Hobbsee> -  "" " Kubuntu  "  "  ",  " irc: #kubuntu-gr ", servers " irc.freenode.netThe Greek kubuntu community now has its own IRC channel: #kubuntu-gr at irc.freenode.net
[04:03] <Riddell> that'll be the greek :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah...so those symbols *would* actually be a language?
[04:03] <Riddell> hmm, it's not doing utf8 correctly
[04:03] <Riddell> ok, fixed
[04:03] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we add the "Display Desktop" shotcuts 
[04:04] <Riddell> freeflying: to what?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *that* looks better!
[04:05] <freeflying> Riddell: taskbar
[04:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: that'd be good :D
[04:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hehe
[04:07] <Riddell> freeflying: well we don't have anything on the desktop by default so it's not needed :)
[04:08] <freeflying> Riddell: it be used often by endusers after all , and they will put something on desktop 
[04:15] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm unconvinced I'm afraid
[04:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I went first, you missed my report :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: darn!  that was the one i wanted!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> you're usually last, which is great!
[04:16] <Riddell> today is a reverse day
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ugh, again?
[04:17] <Riddell> yeah I know, and I shouldn't even be at the end for some reason I'm after seb128
[04:17] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630114
[04:18] <Riddell> hmm, just noticed silly typo I made in the last line there
[04:18] <Hobbsee> thanks :) - logs arent updated yet :(
[04:19] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[04:19] <Hobbsee> did kde 3.5.2 end up going into main?
[04:19] <Riddell> yep
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh goody, so i can remove one more non-standard repo
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i killed 3 of the kdenetwork bugs yesterday, and set a few more to need info :)
[04:21] <Riddell> yay :)
[04:21] <Riddell> friday is bug day I think
[04:22] <Parkotron> Hobbsee: Did you find a workaround for the Display bug?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Parkotron: no i didnt, sorry
[04:22] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i wont be around on my friday, probably no one else's either
[04:22] <Hobbsee> darn uni, then work.  and they mark my programming assignment - eek!
[04:22] <Parkotron> Hobbsee: That's alright, I use KRandRTray anyway.
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the assignment?
[04:25] <seth> hooray for 3.5.2 in main, it works a ton better
[04:25] <seth> now if we can just shove kopete 0.12 in there I'll do a dance
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP115/assignments/ass.html - assignment 1 we submitted about a week ago, assignment 2 is due in a month and a half, or something
[04:26] <Hobbsee> they're doing style marking tomorrow - ack.
[04:28] <Riddell> wow, a uni that still teache C++
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.  what should they be teaching?
[04:31] <Riddell> if they can teach c++ that's all good, but the low level details of c++ would have got in the way of learing actual programming techniques with the cleverness of most of the people at my uni
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:32] <freeflying> Riddell: the problem I've told like this issue http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=114340511411469&w=2
[04:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and python or ruby makes things about 3 times faster to code :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:33] <Hobbsee> and besides that, i probably wont use it much in optoelectronics anyway...
[04:33] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, could be the window decoration, for which we have a fix
[04:34] <freeflying> Riddell: but now , if the page have image , konq become damn slowly
[04:34] <freeflying> s/image/ big image
[04:36] <Riddell> freeflying: are you getting that problem?
[04:37] <freeflying> Riddell: ye
[04:37] <Riddell> freeflying: got an example webpage that causes the issue?
[04:37] <freeflying> Riddell: just a moment
[04:42] <freeflying> Riddell: when did we have that fix ?
[04:42] <Riddell> which fix?
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddell: konqueror's slow 
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddell: I can not reproduce it now 
[04:44] <Riddell> :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:45] <Hobbsee> mornfall must have been playing with it
[04:45] <Hobbsee> seeing as adept was screwed, then as soon as he wants to know about it, and we get an upgrade, it works fine, and no one can reproduce!
[05:37] <robotgeek> weird, apt-get keeps upgrading kaddressbook
[05:41] <robotgeek> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630183 
[05:41] <robotgeek> it someone can confirm, it might be a bug in apt?
[07:57] <seaLne> robotgeek: i don't have any probs with kaddressbook
[08:03] <robotgeek> seaLne: neither do i, my problem went abway after a "apt-get clean" and "apt-get upgrade"
[08:04] <seaLne> strange
[08:05] <robotgeek> i have absolutely no idea what was wrong :P
[08:43] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: upgrade it :)
[08:43] <seaLne> uvf
[08:43] <seaLne> but i'm going to build a package
[08:44] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: work on which now ?
[08:45] <seaLne> sorry i'm not sure what you mean?
[08:46] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: scribus 
[08:46] <seaLne> sorry i'm still not sure what you mean
[08:47] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: nothing at all :)
[08:47] <seaLne> now i'm even more confused :P
[08:49] <seaLne> bah patches don't apply
[09:03] <seaLne> robotgeek: i'm getting similar problems now with kdelirc and konsolekalendar
[09:04] <seaLne> robotgeek: so i think its unlikely its the actual packages...
[09:04] <robotgeek> seaLne: apt-get clean, apt-get update and apt-get install :)
[09:05] <seaLne> still
[09:06] <robotgeek> seaLne: no idea then :)
[09:10] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you suggest people to use adept now? %)
[09:11] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well...sometimes...
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:12] <Hobbsee> i dont for big stuff like dist-upgrades
[09:13] <robotgeek> mornfall: adept does a good job
[09:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: actually, the reason i tend to get people to use apt-get, is that if stuff is having trouble for some reason, then it's easier to get them to paste the stuff in the console, rather than a screenshot/description of the adept window
[09:16] <mornfall> Hobbsee: that should be fixable -- if you can remind me, it'd be nice thing to have a log accessible in gui
[09:16] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so people will have stuff to paste ;)
[09:16] <Hobbsee> ooh yes please :D
[09:16] <Hobbsee> when do you want to be reminded of that?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> IIRC, the gnome updater does that
[09:16] <Hobbsee> but in kde, it just shows that i'ts gonna break, but doesnt show much else
[09:16] <mornfall> when i get back from lectures maybe (afternoon), or well, when you are around and i am around ;)
[09:17] <mornfall> i need to record that somewhere
[09:17] <Hobbsee> okay
[09:17] <mornfall> cus i forget
[09:17] <Hobbsee> will do
[09:17] <Hobbsee> want me to email it to you?
[09:17] <mornfall> my brain works like a badly underpowered RAM
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:17] <mornfall> losing data all the time
[09:17] <mornfall> me@mornfall.net would be fine too
[09:18] <mornfall> thanks :)
[09:20] <Hobbsee> sent :)
[09:25] <Lure> anybody seeing this bug 37286
[09:25] <robotgeek> mornfall: does adept also handle special configuration variables? like -o=? Set an arbitary configuration option, eg -o dir::cache=/tmp
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37286 in kde-systemsettings "Network settings asks for platform" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37286
[09:25] <robotgeek> Lure: used to ask me, i selected something appropriate and it went away
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes.   it's just come up again.  must have been in hte last few days that htis has happened
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: maybe since they changed the version number?
[09:27] <Lure> robotgeek: true - you need to tick "Do not ask me again" both for regula ruser as for admin mode and it goes away
[09:27] <robotgeek> Lure: so the issue is that i don't remember what i selected :)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: about network-manager-kde - if that controls the network, and doesnt start till we login to kde, what happens if we have no X, or something, for wireless connections
[09:28] <Hobbsee> is there any way that we can make it start at boot, somehow using nm or somethign?  i dont know, but it does seem a bit crazy
[09:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: ne network... :-(
[09:29] <Lure> good is that wpasupplicant is now much better integrated into Debian config files, so you can switch to "static WPA" conig
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: :(
[09:29] <Hobbsee> oh really?
[09:29] <mornfall> robotgeek: not at all
[09:30] <mornfall> robotgeek: (not supported that is)
[09:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: read this /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[09:30] <robotgeek> mornfall: hmm, okay. i thought i was feeling lucky today :)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> ah ok, interesting
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Lure: and do we know if that'll interfere with KNM?
[09:36] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, it is either static (in /e/n/i) or dynamic (knm) - this only allows fallback in case no X
[09:36] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[09:48] <Hobbsee_> Lure: ugh!
[09:48] <Hobbsee> it still *does* have an effect - the network doesnt connect!
[10:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: with knm?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes
[12:59] <mornfall> hello :)
[12:59] <mornfall> <-- bored
[12:59] <mornfall> algorithm design lecture
[01:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ugh
[01:01] <Hobbsee> do my maths assignment instead???
[01:01] <mornfall> bah
[01:01] <mornfall> i don't do calculus :] 
[01:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:15] <seaLne> mornfall: did adept_notifier change recently to only show in kicker when there were updates?
[01:16] <mornfall> seaLne: recently? depends on definition of recently
[01:17] <seaLne> this week? i no longer have a shiny green icon when there are no updates
[01:17] <mornfall> seaLne: 1.91
[01:17] <seaLne> just checking if that was the intended behaviour
[01:17] <mornfall> yes
[01:17] <seaLne> k, thanks
[01:17] <mornfall> no green led icon no more
[01:18] <Riddell> seaLne: that was orders from the sabfl
[01:18] <Riddell> sabdfl
[01:18] <mornfall> people think systray is too crowded
[01:18] <seaLne> but it was such a nice shiny icon :)
[01:18] <mornfall> sabdfl? i thought it was the ubuntu cabal (since there is no cabal)
[01:18] <Riddell> sabdfl is the cabal
[01:19] <Riddell> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life
[01:23] <mornfall> night Hobbsee 
[01:23] <Hobbsee> not much i can do with launchpad down, and the searches borked, anywya
[02:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: ping
[02:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: got another issue with your version of Kopete
[02:05] <Tm_T> shoot
[02:05] <OdyX> bubbles
[02:05] <OdyX> appear in the center of my screen
[02:05] <OdyX> That's some bizarre
[02:05] <Tm_T> hmm, check your notification settings
[02:06] <OdyX> hum
[02:06] <OdyX> just got one now...
[02:07] <OdyX> these are the ones with [Read]  and [Ignore] 
[02:07] <Tm_T> ok, "bubbles" works ok here
[02:08] <OdyX> I got a huge screen  (WUXGA - 1920x1200) if that could be what
[02:09] <Tm_T> I doubt
[02:09] <Tm_T> do you have systray icon enabled?
[02:10] <OdyX> Yep
[02:13] <Tm_T> =)
[02:18] <ubijtsa2> only ruddy driver that appears to work is dpt_i2o which when loaded creates /dev/sdXY, not /dev/i2o/hdXY
[02:19] <ubijtsa2> so install works, boot fails and subsequent kernel updates (after some hacking to get it to boot) fail as update-grub can't find the root fs
[02:28] <ubijtsa2> which appear to be related to the fstab containing the strange device names
[03:13] <Lure> Riddell: knm is still not in universe - where can I see the status (it is not in build queue either) - probably because it is new?
[03:18] <Riddell> Lure: confusingly the status doesn't seem to be publicly available for such things, but it'll be in NEW
[03:19] <Lure> Riddell: I thought so...
[03:30] <jjesse_> mornfall: i love the changes to adept updater, everytime i connect my laptop in the monring to the network bam red triangle in the corner :)
[03:30] <jjesse_> otherwise its gone i love it
[03:36] <seaLne> anyone tried to use KURLRequester to select multiple files?  it only seems to be returning the directory they are in not the files, which dosen't seem right is it?
[03:41] <Lure> Riddell: is Component chooser missing from KDE components only in KDE 3.5.2 or I did not notice this before?
[03:41] <Lure> Riddell: no way to change default mail/browser app...
[03:41] <Lure> beside kcontrol
[03:46] <Riddell> User Account -> Default Applications
[03:50] <Lure> Riddell: thank - never dived into this...
[03:50] <Lure> ;-)
[04:08] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: why not?
[04:08] <jeroenvrp> it locked up my whole desktop after I was away
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> and when I used beagle-shutdown it first said there was no beagle daemon running and than my whole kde-session went away
[04:11] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, I? still alive :-)
[04:20] <jjesse_> jjesse
[04:20] <jjesse_> hmmm it keeps saying my nickname is in use, how do i kick myself out?
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> jjesse_: you should use the GHOST command
[04:21] <jjesse_> GHOST
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> try /msg nickserv help
[04:21] <jjesse> thank you
[04:32] <Riddell> jjesse: how are the docs doing?  should I do another snapshot upload?
[04:33] <jjesse> Riddell: let me check and get back to you
[04:33] <jjesse> mornfall: everytime i open adept i get this error: could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[04:34] <Riddell> jjesse: close adept, run kbuildsycoca and run it again, does that fix it?
[04:35] <mornfall> lalala
[04:35] <mornfall> i don't hear you jjesse ;-)
[04:35] <jjesse> Riddell: no it doesn't fix it should i run kbuildsycoca with a sudo?
[04:35] <mornfall> i know it's there and i am also fairly sure it's not my fault
[04:36] <mornfall> jjesse: definitely not sudo, maybe kdesu but well, dunnow
[04:36] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, try that
[04:36] <Riddell> yes kdesu
[04:37] <jjesse> get errors when i run it kdesu, http://pastebin.com/630813
[04:38] <jjesse> mornfall: did you see that i like the changes to how the adept-update-notifier works?
[04:38] <mornfall> jjesse: yes, and that's fine :)
[04:39] <Riddell> jjesse: and does it fix it?
[04:42] <jjesse> Riddell: nope, i get an error, see the pastebin location
[04:43] <Riddell> jjesse: try editing adept.desktop so that Exec=kdesu adept
[04:46] <jjesse> Riddell: instead of adept %i %m -caption "%c"
[04:47] <Riddell> yes
[04:48] <jjesse> that solved it
[04:48] <Riddell> well, I'm confused
[04:49] <jjesse> edited the one located in /usr/share/applications/kde/
[04:49] <mornfall> evil evil bug
[04:49] <mornfall> i will eventually have to go and debug it
[04:49] <mornfall> however, the only way i was able to get the dialog was rm-ing ksycoca and the mimetype
[04:49] <mornfall> so that's probably not it :)
[05:56] <jeroenvrp> does anyone know where to find the default kubuntu ad-block-list for konqueror
[05:56] <jeroenvrp> ?
[05:56] <jeroenvrp> or am I asking a stupid question now :-) ?
[05:57] <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings
[05:57] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok I will take a look, thanks 
[06:09] <mornfall> uhm
[06:09] <mornfall> something needs to be done
[06:09] <mornfall> i suspect that the amount of people asking me about application/octet-stream is growing non-linearly
[06:15] <jjesse> mornfall: i started getting this update after i installed kde 3.5.2
[06:16] <jjesse> if i recall correctly
[06:16] <mornfall> hmm? i'm not sure i understand
[06:19] <jjesse> sorry wasn't clear, after i installed kde 3.5.2 i started getting the application/octect error with adept
[06:20] <mornfall> jjesse: shouldn't be related, lots of people get it with .1 too
[06:26] <apachelogger> UVF exception for kblogger granted: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kblogger/+bug/36787 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36787 in kblogger kicker-kblogger "UVF Exception 0.4.1 -> 0.5" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[06:26] <apachelogger> would be cool if someone could check the package and upload :)
[06:35] <shentey> anyone here who triggers the build of the latest kde (and koffice) packages?
[06:36] <Riddell> shentey: mm hmm
[06:37] <shentey> it would be nice if there was a symlink to the latest stable kde version (kde-stable)
[06:37] <shentey> does that mean no?
[06:38] <Riddell> shentey: done
[06:39] <shentey> thanks, wow!
[06:40] <Riddell> thanks for pointing that out
[06:41] <shentey> i felt i must tell you
[06:42] <shentey> it looks like the *-latest symlinks point to the latest versions irrespective if it's a development version
[06:43] <shentey> i wonder if there was possible to add extra symliks *-stable which point to the latest stable releases?
[06:45] <Riddell> shentey: trouble is that not all packages are made for every distro version, just which makes sense at the time
[06:45] <Riddell> shentey: where should I put in a symlink?
[06:47] <shentey> well, if there *was* a development version of KDE 3.6 that kde-latest link probably pointed at that development version, right?
[06:48] <Riddell> yes
[06:48] <shentey> the point is if an user wants to live with the latest stable version (and have that updated automatically) this is not possible right now
[06:48] <Riddell> the kde35 link goes to stable kde 3.5
[06:48] <shentey> i c
[06:54] <shentey> btw, is it possible at all to have the latest development and stable versions installed in parallel by using the repository?
[06:54] <Riddell> no
[06:55] <shentey> i think developers would get more feedback this way (as they always whish for)
[06:56] <Riddell> well it's not possible without altering every package
[06:57] <shentey> hmm... i think this is a feature request?
[06:59] <Riddell> there's no clean way of doing it
[07:03] <shentey> as i think about it i also see some problems... it's a pity.
[07:04] <shentey> i was just wondering how to get more people testing new software. i figured this was a major probelm
[07:04] <Riddell> for individual apps you can make klik bundles
[07:05] <shentey> yes, you're right... that would probably solve that issue
[07:09] <Tm_T> eeeh
[07:09] <Tm_T> since when crystalsvg's action arrows are black?
[07:47] <pef> hello
[07:50] <jjesse> afternoon pef
[07:53] <pef> hello jjesse 
[07:53] <jjesse> how are things going?
[07:54] <pef> all is fine, I have now enough free time to come back helping Ubuntu :)
[07:54] <Tonio_> yop
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: got your mail, thanks for knm :)
[07:56] <jjesse> is knetworkmanager in now?
[07:57] <Tonio_> jjesse: looking ;)
[07:57] <Tonio_> jjesse: still in the new queue
[07:57] <Tonio_> jjesse: shouldn't be long
[07:58] <jjesse> stupid question is it just for wireless network or all networks? where can i find info/
[07:58] <Tonio_> jjesse: it is for all network
[07:58] <Tonio_> it is also a vpn client
[07:58] <Tonio_> I'm using it on my desktop for the vpn part for example
[07:58] <jjesse> will it work w/ cisco vpn concentrators?
[07:59] <Tonio_> jjesse: depends
[07:59] <Tonio_> jjesse: is your vpn is ipsec compatible, the vpnc component should work
[07:59] <jjesse> yeah it is ipsec compatible, does it allow for nt authentication after connection?
[07:59] <Tonio_> if it is ssl vpn (assuming openvpn) then it is dpecific, because not "standard" ipsec
[08:00] <Tonio_> but that's what I use and that works
[08:00] <Tonio_> jjesse: dunno for the authentification
[08:00] <Tonio_> I know sisco is a bit specific
[08:00] <Tonio_> s/sisco/cisco
[08:01] <Tonio_> jjesse: better is to try ;)
[08:01] <Tonio_> I personnaly use openvpn only, because I don't like ipsec
[08:01] <Tonio_> too complicated, not compatible with most routers etc.....
[08:01] <Tonio_> ssl is way easier to manage
[08:02] <Tonio_> and openvpn is universal 
[08:02] <Tonio_> you can use client and server on osx, bsd, linux, windows
[08:10] <jjesse> Tonio_: we have a cisco vpn concentrator here so that's what i'm stuck with
[08:11] <Tonio_> jjesse: as I'm saying, there are 2 vpon components for network-manager : vpnc and openvpn
[08:11] <Tonio_> vpnc is supposed to feet with ipsec vpn servers
[08:11] <Tonio_> jjesse: is vpnc a working solution for you actually ? 
[08:11] <Tonio_> cause network-manager-vpnc will do nothing more vpnc can do
[08:12] <Tonio_> it was working then the component will work, it was not, then the component will not
[08:14] <jjesse> Riddell: feel free to build kubuntu docs
[08:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm patching qtparted, the .desktop is crappy and application doesn't work
[08:15] <Tonio_> su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/qtparted
[08:16] <Tonio_> that cannot work
[08:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: why not?
[08:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: because su-to-root doesn't work (at least on my computer)
[08:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: -l: su-to-root: command not found
[08:17] <Tonio_> how could it ?
[08:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: that is the launching command in desktop file, and qtparted simply doesn't launch on any of my computers
[08:19] <Riddell> hmm, there used to be a command su-to-root, I wonder where it went to
[08:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno :) but I suggest patching to use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[08:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay ?
[08:21] <pef> Tonio_: you can consider using X-KDE-SubstitudeUID=true in desktop file
[08:21] <pef> erf :)
[08:21] <Tonio_> pef: hehe :)
[08:21] <Riddell> it would also need to depend on kdelibs-bin in that case
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[08:21] <Riddell> groovy
[08:21] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan*
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm waiting for knetworkmanager to be build and will ask for 3 main inclusions, wlassistant, kmplayer and knetworkmanager
[08:21] <Riddell> hi pef baby
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you're okay of course ;)
[08:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've done wlassistant and kmplayer main inclusion
[08:22] <pef> su-to-root exists and comes from menu package
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;) I'm sorry but I was so tired.. I didn't find the strengh to do it as I promissed
[08:23] <Tonio_> sleeping 3 hours per night isn't something I am able to do from monday to friday ;)
[08:24] <Riddell> pef: ah, that's where it is
[08:24] <Riddell> I think just using kdesu is nicer than su-to-root in this case
[08:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: want the qtparted package ? I can't upload cause it is in main ;)
[08:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please
[08:36] <Riddell> debdiff
[08:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[08:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have gotten the debdiff by email
[08:54] <Pygi> Riddell: what happened with n-m-kde?
[08:54] <seth|away> Pygi, it is still in NEW
[08:54] <Pygi> seth: ah, k, thanks ^_^
[08:55] <seth> it'll be there in a few days at most :)
[08:55] <Tonio_> Pygi: It waits wor building :)
[08:55] <Pygi> Tonio_: I just looked ... it isn't building yet...
[08:56] <Tonio_> Pygi: shouldn't be long :)
[08:57] <Pygi> ah, ok ^_^
[08:57] <Pygi> Tonio_: willing to make some work done? ^_^
[08:57] <Tonio_> Pygi: tell me more ;)
[08:57] <Pygi> Tonio_: we need to make patches for n-m
[08:57] <Pygi> 0.6.1 to 0.6.2
[08:58] <Tonio_> hurg...........
[08:58] <Pygi> :)
[08:58] <Tonio_> Pygi: what is the gretest emergency ?
[08:58] <Pygi> don't then :-P
[08:58] <Pygi> Tonio_: well, what do you mean?
[08:58] <Tonio_> upgrading n-m or having the vpn packages in ?
[08:58] <Tonio_> that's very important too
[08:59] <Pygi> upgrading n-m = higher priority
[08:59] <Tonio_> it is stupid to remove the no-vpn patch and don't include the vpn additionnal components :)
[08:59] <Pygi> yes, but upgrading nm is more important now
[08:59] <Tonio_> Pygi: I can't promiss today (I have other things to work on)
[09:00] <Tonio_> and I'm not here this WE
[09:00] <Tonio_> I can start working on this for monday
[09:00] <Pygi> ah :-P
[09:00] <Pygi> by then we'll probably get it already, but we'll see ^_^
[09:01] <Tonio_> Pygi: what is the work to be done ? porting patches ?
[09:02] <Pygi> make diffs also
[09:03] <Tonio_> diffs between what ?
[09:03] <Pygi> 0.6.1 and 0.6.2
[09:04] <Tonio_> for UVFe ?
[09:04] <Pygi> yup :)
[09:04] <Tonio_> that's not hard to do :)
[09:04] <Pygi> still :-P
[09:04] <Tonio_> but as I said, I have other things to work on toonight ;)
[09:04] <Pygi> just work :P
[09:05] <Tonio_> Pygi: I promiss to help you on that on monday if that's not finished :)
[09:05] <Pygi> thanks ^_^
[09:26] <vdoever> hi Tonio_ 
[09:27] <vdoever> i'm almost too shy to ask
[09:27] <vdoever> do you think cubetest will make it into kubuntu?
[09:30] <Tonio_> vdoever: honnestly, that's nice and fun, but that's not a priority :)
[09:31] <vdoever> so it's on the medium term list?
[09:31] <Riddell> vdoever: it's not on any list, it just needs someone to do it
[09:31] <Tonio_> vdoever: consider that we are in feature freeze, so all applications we are currently adding are exceptions
[09:32] <Tonio_> because they are needed for the distro and waited by most users
[09:32] <vdoever> so i should come bugging after the next release? :-)
[09:32] <Tonio_> like wireless management applications, or beagle frontends
[09:32] <Tonio_> vdoever: depends how fast we go with required stuff ;)
[09:33] <Tonio_> but I can't promiss anything
[09:33] <Tonio_> vdoever: of course, no pb for dapper+1
[09:33] <vdoever> ah good
[09:33] <Riddell> vdoever: you can package it yourself of course
[09:33] <Tonio_> vdoever: if you can provide a package, that will help, yes :)
[09:33] <vdoever> well, i don't want to install every distro and write packages for it
[09:34] <Tonio_> vdoever: what are you currently using ?
[09:34] <vdoever> kubuntu is nice, but i've not grown away from suse yet
[09:34] <Riddell> vdoever: yeah, but we're special aren't we? :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^^
[09:34] <vdoever> of course, you're astronaut affiliated!
[09:35] <vdoever> you should put a sticker on the cds: "Astronaut Affiliated!"
[09:35] <vdoever> it will sell like hell!
[09:35] <Tonio_> vdoever: not designed to be sold ;)
[09:35] <vdoever> but yeah, kubuntu's nice but i'm recovering from my last 2 experiences where i hated your installer so much because it did not ask for a root pwd
[09:36] <vdoever> and i couldn't log in as root and i was completely helpless
[09:36] <Tonio_> vdoever: logging as root ?????
[09:36] <vdoever> later i found out the truth about what happened to nice mr. root
[09:36] <vdoever> but then it was too late
[09:36] <Tonio_> vdoever: why reproducing windows errors concerning security ?
[09:36] <Riddell> pef!
[09:36] <vdoever> i'm scared
[09:36] <vdoever> Tonio_: i'm fine with using sudo
[09:37] <Tonio_> vdoever: I prefer to hear this :)
[09:37] <vdoever> but i'd have liked it if the installer had told me about it
[09:37] <Riddell> pef: there's a really elite application called cubetest that you should package
[09:37] <Tonio_> vdoever: there are documentations for this :)
[09:37] <vdoever> documentation? on a live cd? come on
[09:37] <vdoever> no you need an icon on the installed desktop or something
[09:38] <vdoever> my first reflex on any install is to fix all hardware
[09:38] <vdoever> i need to be root for that
[09:38] <vdoever> and i really had never thought about sudo
[09:38] <vdoever> i thought the installer was buggy
[09:38] <pef> Riddell: will look for that :)
[09:38] <vdoever> maybe you could add a screen to the install
[09:38] <vdoever> with big friendly letters
[09:38] <vdoever> for demented old farts like me
[09:39] <vdoever> "you cannot login as root, use sudo"
[09:39] <vdoever> (or "sudo bash" if you're careless)
[09:39] <Riddell> vdoever: there you go, poke pef politely
[09:40] <jeroenvrp> sorry to interupt: but is cubetest so very special that a exceptions is necessary?
[09:40] <jeroenvrp> when is edubuntu comming out?
[09:40] <jeroenvrp> beter to focus on edubunti, I would say
[09:41] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: there's no exception needed for new packages, just that the priority should be on fixing things
[09:41] <jeroenvrp> oooh
[09:41] <jeroenvrp> than Ik have a few packages
[09:41] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: you'd need to ask the edubuntu developers, but it'll come out at the same time as kubuntu and ubuntu
[09:41] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: throw them up on revu then
[09:41] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: like some DVD apps
[09:41] <jeroenvrp> like Devede
[09:41] <jeroenvrp> and some Komander-apps
[09:42] <jeroenvrp> and how many voip-clients do we have
[09:42] <jeroenvrp> like wengophone
[09:42] <jeroenvrp> or gizmo?
[09:43] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: we have been poking the wengo team for a clean tarball for month.......
[09:43] <Tonio_> they are not releasing anything
[09:43] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: and as the svn is a complete mess, including windows components etc.....
[09:43] <jeroenvrp> oh I thought that was opensourced
[09:43] <jeroenvrp> mmm, yes
[09:44] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: it has not been possible to patch it.....
[09:44] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: it is, but the sources are not really usable
[09:44] <jeroenvrp> yes I can see
[09:44] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: that will change with wengophone-ng, the future version still in developpment
[09:44] <vdoever> jeroenvrp: i'm not asking for exceptions, cubetest can wait
[09:44] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: there the soruces are very nice, but it is still very unstable.......
[09:44] <jeroenvrp> vdoever: oh sorry, ik probeer gewoon een discussie los te weken :-)
[09:45] <vdoever> jeroenvrp: leuk geprobeerd :-)
[09:45] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: are there not good alternatives?
[09:46] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: not to what I know.......
[09:46] <Tonio_> wengophone is really nice...
[09:46] <Tonio_> it's up to them to release a tarball so that we can get it in kubuntu (at least in universe)
[09:46] <jeroenvrp> yes it is, allthough it does not work out of the box, I noticed
[09:46] <Tonio_> I asked on their board, and raphink did too
[09:46] <jeroenvrp> ok ok ok :-)
[09:47] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: it has dependancies issues I think......
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in a voip tool in kubuntu ? ubuntu has ekiga so........
[09:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: of course
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go insult wengo team on their board ^^
[09:49] <Riddell> hmm, that might not be productive :)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: insulting politely ;) hehe
[09:49] <Tonio_> no, but serriously I will ask once again
[09:50] <Tonio_> they miss great oportunity if they don't release propper tarball......
[09:50] <Tonio_> imagin it gets installed by default on a few distros, they would double their clients in a week......
[09:50] <Tonio_> french are so stupid in marketing.......
[09:50] <jeroenvrp> haha
[09:51] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: that's true !!!!!!! we had so many technologies that we haven't been able to sold......
[09:51] <Tonio_> and that were on the top.....
[09:51] <jeroenvrp> :-)
[09:51] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: ever heard about "minitel" ?
[09:51] <jeroenvrp> yes
[09:51] <raphink> ok after some tests
[09:51] <jeroenvrp> it was very popular
[09:51] <raphink> kpowersave seems to work pretty well on my powerpc
[09:51] <raphink> _BUT_
[09:52] <Tonio_> isn't that a shame that nobody bought the technology ?
[09:52] <raphink> the huge problem is that it locks the session
[09:52] <raphink> and I can't unlock it
[09:52] <raphink> anybody has unlock problems ?
[09:52] <jeroenvrp> we here in NL had videotext and that was a cheap version
[09:52] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: if it was an american one, it would have been installed all over the world......
[09:52] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: proberly yes
[09:53] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: and the only problem with wengophone is that it is developped by a french company :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: so it can be better than skype, it'll always stay a second zone product.....
[09:53] <Tm_T> ach
[09:54] <Tm_T> this seems stupid
[09:54] <Tm_T> somehow I can't copy file to current folder in different name (konqueror)
[09:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: french, even in 2006, still don't know how to promote a good technology.......
[09:55] <Tm_T> uhhoh, konqueror doesn't offer new name to copied file
[09:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes, I just said same to raphink
[09:55] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it seems kde removed that functionality
[09:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: how stupid !
[09:55] <Tm_T> ...wtf
[09:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: certainly a new french developper in the kde crew........
[09:55] <Tm_T> =)
[09:56] <Tm_T> I mean, wtf
[09:56] <Tonio_> wtf ?
[09:56] <Tm_T> yeah, exactly
[09:57] <Tonio_> which means ?
[09:57] <raphink> anybody has problems unlocking sessions ?
[09:57] <raphink> I can't unlock the sessions 
[09:57] <Tonio_> raphink: let me check
[09:57] <Tm_T> wtf = what the f*ck and I rarely am this shocked...
[09:57] <raphink> beware Tonio_
[09:57] <raphink> I just can't get back from locking a session
[09:57] <Tonio_> raphink: no pb here :)
[09:57] <raphink> hmmm
[09:58] <raphink> here it says it cannot unlock
[09:58] <raphink> when I type the password
[09:58] <raphink> so I can't get back from it
[09:58] <Tonio_> Tm_T: we need to create bug for kde to add that functionnality again !
[09:58] <raphink> which is pretty annoying ... for the least
[09:58] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that was so usefull.............
[09:59] <Tm_T> it's crucial imho
[09:59] <Tm_T> if you can't multiply files in same folder...
[10:00] <Tm_T> oh well, I don't use konqueror as my filemanager anyway anymore ;(
[10:01] <jjesse> raphink: i lock my workstatation all the time and i have no problems, today's updates
[10:01] <Tonio_> raphink: any feedback from wengo concerning an eventual tarball ?
[10:01] <raphink> jjesse: i386?
[10:02] <jjesse> yes sure
[10:02] <raphink> anyone on powerpc ?
[10:02] <Riddell> raphink: maybe
[10:02] <raphink> Riddell: hehe ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[10:02] <raphink> Riddell: are you able to lock your session and get back to it?
[10:03] <Tm_T> Tonio_: please do bug report
[10:03] <Riddell> raphink: it's currently running an ubuntu hoary CD, I'll let you know when I have kubuntu installed
[10:03] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I will ;) I was pinging toma for something else ;)
[10:04] <raphink> ty Riddell
[10:04] <Tm_T> Tonio_: cool, I go to sleep then ;)
[10:05] <Tonio_> hehe
[10:05] <Tonio_> hum.... was the "rename when copy in the same folder" still here ith 3.5.1 ? 
[10:05] <Tonio_> I think yes
[10:06] <Tm_T> it was
[10:07] <Tonio_> Tm_T: sometimes kde crew makes strange choices........ I must say I can't understand why removing this......
[10:07] <Tm_T> me neither
[10:07] <Tonio_> Tm_T: "to hard for users" ,  la gnome ?
[10:07] <Tm_T> I feel shamed
[10:07] <Tm_T> Tonio_: no idea, I'll try some find
[10:07] <Tonio_> linus thorvalds will make an heart attack ;)
[10:08] <Tm_T> exactly
[10:08] <Tonio_> okay, posting a but report ;)
[10:08] <Tonio_> s/but/bug
[10:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: qtparted uploaded
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks ;)
[10:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: dfaure is the man behind this
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123796
[10:13] <Tm_T> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=114320704805271&w=2
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: couldn't that work ? seems ressembling to our issue
[10:13] <Tonio_> Tm_T: any opinion ?
[10:14] <Tm_T> aahh!
[10:14] <Tm_T> known bug
[10:14] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes I searched a bit before posting :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> bugfix released ;)
[10:15] <Tm_T> Tonio_: looks ok
[10:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: is kde supposed to be changed before release ? or should we had the patch ?
[10:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, please test the patch and send me a debdiff
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing right now ;)
[10:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: uuh, you're precious
[10:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T: but I'm not a very good motu since I quite never on universe for month..... only main in fact ;)
[10:18] <Tm_T> heh
[10:18] <Pygi> Tonio_: hehe ;)
[10:18] <hunger> Tonio_: So you are Quatermain?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: technically, that makes me a bad motu de facto :)
[10:19] <Tm_T> haha
[10:27] <toma> Tonio_: pong (had to be idle for 20 minutes to test RSIBreak, other story)
[10:28] <Tonio_> toma: no pb ;)
[10:28] <Tonio_> toma: I remember you told me you though about investigating a bit on the kicker systemapplet problem or patch ;)
[10:28] <Tonio_> toma: any news concerning this ?
[10:30] <toma> Tonio_: ah, no, it is not possible for me to fix that, unless I spend a massive amount of time to it. The only thing i suggested was to remove it from the konq sidebar...
[10:30] <Tonio_> toma: that's maybe that will be going to happen :)
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you be okay with that solution ?
[10:31] <OdyX> raphink: I had a prolbem like that
[10:31] <Tonio_> toma: thanks ;)
[10:31] <OdyX> in Breezy
[10:31] <raphink> OdyX: with a ppc ?
[10:31] <toma> well a broken item in the sidebar is useless anyway
[10:31] <OdyX> raphink: you mean "lockin and unable to lockout ?"
[10:32] <toma> raphink: did the patch work out btw?
[10:32] <raphink> yes OdyX
[10:32] <OdyX> raphink: had that under breezy
[10:32] <raphink> toma: no
[10:32] <toma> ;-(
[10:32] <raphink> toma: I gave up eventually
[10:32] <OdyX> raphink: but never under Dapper (well.. never locked indeed)
[10:32] <toma> +ting
[10:33] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ping me when you have tested the patch
[10:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: which?
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with the system component in konqsidebar
[10:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, fine
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kicker systemapplet patch creates an issue o that component........ toma was suggesting to remove it, because not very usefull
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I will patch k-d-s
[10:39] <toma> new test.. bbi20
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at rosetta, is it normal all the patches we've applied on universe packages are still not there ?
[10:41] <Tonio_> kde-pwmanager for example
[10:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do you mean?
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't find any of the application I packaged with the kdepotpatch
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs building, will take some time.......
[10:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: the rosetta people are still coding the kde support
[10:44] <Riddell> "next week"
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;) just wanted to be sure that wasn't lost job :)
[10:56] <verwilst> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=114368252628101&w=2
[10:56] <verwilst> Riddell: is this in kubuntu?
[10:57] <Riddell> verwilst: no
[10:57] <verwilst> ok :)
[10:57] <verwilst> didn't know since my rmb's are pretty fast afaik
[11:00] <verwilst> bed!
[11:08] <Tonio_> http://forum.wengo.com/viewtopic.php?p=4652
[11:08] <Tonio_> feel free to add comments ;)
[11:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: very civilised :)
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I authorize you to call french "froggies" if they don't answer ;)
[11:13] <Tm_T> =)
[11:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hey, what's the situation with the patch? ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Tm_T: building.......... kdelibs isn't short time to package :)
[11:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: maybe he's decided to include that menu caching patch verwilst pointed out :)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Tm_T: and my laptop is a 1.5 ghz celeron......
[11:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: my dad works for a French company, I grew up calling French people frogs :)
[11:15] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yay!
[11:15] <Riddell> mais non, je ne suis pad un roastbeef, je suis un haggis
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hahaha
[11:15] <Riddell> s/pad/pas/
[11:16] <Tonio_> I must say I sometime call english people "rosbeaf"
[11:16] <Tonio_> but french generally do not
[11:16] <Pygi> bah, I was never able to speak french properly
[11:17] <Pygi> I do understand it, and can write fairly well, but speaking kills me :P
[11:17] <Tonio_> Pygi: french is a very hard language
[11:17] <Pygi> Tonio_: nah, just speaking is hard...
[11:17] <Tonio_> Pygi: grammar is horrible
[11:18] <Pygi> bah, then you can say like that for italian for example as well
[11:18] <Pygi> while italian was easier for me to learn then french
[11:18] <Tonio_> italian is easier, by far
[11:18] <Pygi> ah
[11:18] <Pygi> Kako si? Sto se radi? Talijanski je daleko laksi...
[11:18] <Pygi> what about this? ;(
[11:19] <Pygi> ;)*
[11:19] <Tonio_> what the f*ck is that ?
[11:19] <Pygi> do not insult my language ;)
[11:20] <Tonio_> sorry !! what is this ? swedish or something ?
[11:20] <Tonio_> danish ?
[11:20] <Pygi> croatian ;)
[11:20] <Tonio_> k ;)
[11:20] <Tonio_> coffee time :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> that's the only thing I'm proud in france ;) best coffee in the world
[11:22] <Tonio_> Pygi: croatia is a very beautifull country ;) you can proud of it :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> +be
[11:22] <Pygi> Tonio_: bah, ever been here?
[11:23] <Tonio_> Pygi: about 20 years ago, but according to what I remember, that was really beautifull
[11:23] <Pygi> oh, 20 years ago :-P
[11:23] <Tonio_> hehe yes, I was only 9
[11:23] <Tonio_> so maybe that was completly awfull, but beautifull in my child eyes :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> ^_^
[11:24] <Pygi> ;)