[12:04] <trappist> I'm ok with that
[12:05] <Blippe> :D
[12:07] <marco__> hi
[12:10] <marco__> hi is there anyone with nvidia geforce go 7600?
[12:11] <Blippe> no, but what is your problem with this card?
[12:19] <slow-motion> n8
[12:25] <nico8481> is there a way to prevent "copy" windows to get the focus when they popup?
[12:28] <LinuxCart> Hello what is the best way to copy/clone a DVD
[12:28] <LinuxCart> ?
[12:28] <kosh> probably k3b
[12:29] <jind> Depends on which content
[12:29] <LinuxCart> it's a DVD with some video
[12:29] <kosh> one dvd in one drive and a blank dvd disk in the other drive and burn it
[12:29] <kosh> is it a commercial protected one?
[12:29] <kosh> or just some business one
[12:29] <trappist> LinuxCart: http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/03/26/how-to-back-up-your-dvds-in-ubuntu/
[12:30] <LinuxCart> I have tried k3b and it only reads 24 MB or so
[12:30] <LinuxCart> while it around 1hour of DVD video
[12:30] <LinuxCart> to be honest it's my wedding video :P
[12:30] <kosh> so no copy issues of any kind then
[12:31] <kosh> must be something screwy with k3b
[12:31] <kosh> can you just copy the files off and then burn them to a new dvd and see if that works?
[12:31] <LinuxCart> I've read the ubuntu guide, but it seems to me that doing a whole 4.7GB dd should be the best way
[12:31] <_mindspin> !ubuntuguide
[12:31] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, out of date, reported to break a lot and generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[12:32] <ganymed> is anybody here proficient in javascript?
[12:32] <LinuxCart> my indirect problem is that the final user of this computer(laptop) wiil be my sister who's starting on computers
[12:33] <LinuxCart> and the worst is that she doesn't speak english very well
[12:33] <ganymed> LinuxCart: wow, you are introducing her to linux before ms...
[12:33] <LinuxCart> kosh: do you mean doing a simple cp and the burning the files onto a new DVD?
[12:33] <LinuxCart> ganymed: of course, wouldn't you?
[12:34] <MacAnthony> ganymed: it's a little off topic but I know a decent amount of javascript
[12:42] <ganymed> MacAnthony, thx, i know... but i am here anyway, so i'll jsut ask you
[12:43] <MacAnthony> I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't bother any one else
[12:43] <kosh> LinuxCart: yeah that would probably work
[12:43] <ganymed> i wanna open a new window but cannot do this via javascript as i submit variables via php. so i put the script in the file that is opened
[12:44] <LinuxCart> kosh: how confident are you on that?
[12:44] <kosh> LinuxCart: I just know it works with data and it sould work on a dvd, however there is no harm in you trying it
[12:45] <MacAnthony> ganymed: can't you use get line variables?
[12:45] <harm> who is using my name in vein!
[12:45] <MacAnthony> ex: popup.php?var1=whatever
[12:45] <ganymed> now i have changed the window size already, but i would like all the browser stuff (menulist and so on) to disappear. the page just displays a picture. how do i do that?
[12:46] <ganymed> MacAnthony: yes, thsi works... just i still have all the browser stuff...
[12:46] <kosh> it should NEVER have been possible with javascript to change the browser itself
[12:46] <ganymed> kosh: did you mean me?
[12:46] <ganymed> kosh: i am not programming pop-ups. i just wanna open a pic in a new window...
[12:46] <LinuxCart> a ptiy, but time to sleep guys
[12:47] <LinuxCart> cu all
[12:47] <ganymed> cu
[12:47] <MacAnthony> ganymed: do you have the window event working and just need help with the hiding of elements or the whole shebang
[12:47] <kosh> ganymed: yeah I don't like when people use javascript to get rid of the various window controls
[12:47] <ganymed> just wanna hide the elements, that's all.
[12:47] <XVampireX> Hey, can anyone tell me why SDL applications work so slow for me?
[12:48] <staale> hi everyone. Iv'e just install'd Kubuntu Dapper w/ 2.6.15 kernel. And allready ive managed to ph*ck up my /etc/apt/sources.list. Is it possible for anyone to past theyr /etc/apt/sources.list config to me at www.pastebin.org and gimmie the address? Would be great if the list includes many dependencies. PS: Sorry for my bad english.
[12:48] <ganymed> kosh: me neither, therefore i have a close button. that's all you need for the window
[12:48] <kosh> I don't like that javascript makes it possible to remove the menu etc
[12:48] <kosh> I make sure my browser won't honor that stuff
[12:48] <ganymed> you just said that :)
[12:49] <kosh> worse is when peope make things non resizeable
[12:49] <ganymed> so javascript is disabled?
[12:49] <ganymed> MacAnthony: any idea?
[12:49] <zorba64> staale: what did you do to it?
[12:49] <kosh> actually popups are very annoying since it seems an a lot of them try to absolute position the window with respect to the screen
[12:49] <MacAnthony> are you using document.open()?
[12:49] <ganymed> no
[12:50] <kosh> however on a quad head setup you end up with a popup window opening on monitor 1 instead of monitor 4 where my browser is
[12:50] <staale> zorba64: By a mistake, i deleted everything in it. I know it sounds redicolus, but its true, sadly.
[12:50] <MacAnthony> how are you opening the window?
[12:50] <MacAnthony> a link?
[12:50] <kosh> ganymed: you can turn javascript on in konqueror and still block what javascript can do to the window
[12:50] <ganymed> my script just is in the opened file and just says window.outerheight = ... and window.outerwidth =
[12:50] <ganymed> yes, with a link
[12:50] <MacAnthony> like target="_new" or something ganymed
[12:51] <kosh> ganymed: as long as you don't position it then it should work fine on higher rez devices, multiple monitors etc
[12:51] <ganymed> so that i can submit the _GET vars. yes with _blank
[12:52] <MacAnthony> ganymed: I think you can do it in mozilla browsers but not IE
[12:52] <staale> zorba64: do you mind giveing me yours?
[12:52] <MacAnthony> I don't think IE lets you write to the window.menubar, etc attributes
[12:52] <ganymed> forget IE... it's shitty anyway
[12:52] <ganymed> well, that's actually a point FOR IE
[12:53] <kosh> the server should just be able to hand the client code that "suggests
[12:53] <ganymed> but anyway, it's horror, at least the version my xp has... yes i HAVE to use it from time to time
[12:53] <kosh> that a given item be opened in a new window
[12:53] <mihai_> how can I print the total number of bytes from all the files in the current directory
[12:53] <mihai_> hi
[12:53] <ganymed> hi
[12:53] <staale> hi everyone. Iv'e just install'd Kubuntu Dapper w/ 2.6.15 kernel. And allready ive managed to ph*ck up my /etc/apt/sources.list. Is it possible for anyone to past theyr /etc/apt/sources.list config to me at www.pastebin.org and gimmie the address? Would be great if the list includes many dependencies. PS: Sorry for my bad english.
[12:53] <MacAnthony> ganymed: you can try using window.menubar.visibility = false;
[12:54] <MacAnthony> menubar, toolbar, statusbar, locationbar, etc
[12:54] <ganymed> well, i have already trried window.menubar.visible = false;
[12:54] <oneman> hey
[12:54] <MacAnthony> visibility = false
[12:54] <oneman> I cant seem to get my fresh install of kunbutu to upgrade to kde 3.5.2 ? what gives?
[12:55] <oneman> I did the normal thing...
[12:55] <kosh> did you add the kde 3.5.2 deb line?
[12:55] <oneman> jeah
[12:55] <oneman> it seems like its holding them back
[12:55] <ganymed> no, doesn't work
[12:55] <kosh> try do sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <kosh> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:55] <staale> anyone might help me?
[12:55] <kosh> and see if it wants to do anything
[12:56] <oneman> yeah ive done that
[12:56] <staale> I'm only asking for a copy paste delivering here...
[12:56] <jtshaw> staale: I'm working on it
[12:56] <kosh> oneman: and it doesn't want to upgrade anything?
[12:56] <staale> jtshaw: thank you very much:)
[12:56] <oneman> now its giving me the new kernel
[12:56] <oneman> .12-10
[12:56] <MacAnthony> ganymed: other than that, I know you can pass variable throught using the window.open() function
[12:56] <MacAnthony> ganymed: that's the only way I've ever done it
[12:56] <frank23> !tell stale about easysource
[12:57] <kosh> oneman: can you do dpkg -l kdebase and tell me the version?
[12:57] <oneman> http://rafb.net/paste/results/KdNujE32.html
[12:57] <frank23> !tell staale about easysource
[12:58] <ganymed> MacAnthony: how? last time i tried it i lost all my vars, it just didn't submit them
[12:58] <jtshaw> staale: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629874
[12:58] <staale> jtshaw: tnx
[12:59] <oneman> kosh, looks like apt-get dist-upgrade is the only way to get them now
[12:59] <kosh> ganymed: okay so your system does not think that kde is installed
[12:59] <oneman> its working tho i think..
[12:59] <jtshaw> staale: Just so you know.. I've uncommented everything and included multiverse in my source.list....
[12:59] <oneman> wierd
[12:59] <MacAnthony> ganymed: replace your link with onclick="window.open('file.php', 'newWin', 'height=##,width=##');"
[12:59] <staale> jtshaw: Good, i like that
[01:00] <kosh> ganymed: can you do sudo apt-get install kde-core
[01:00] <frank23> staale: check the easysource link ubotu sent. you can custom build your sources.list
[01:00] <XVampireX> How do I install drivers for my graphics card?
[01:00] <frank23> XVampireX: ati or nvidia?
[01:00] <XVampireX> nvidia
[01:00] <frank23> !tell XVampireX about nvidia
[01:01] <MacAnthony> ganymed: make sure for your file.php you include any get line variables too ex: file.php?var=text&var2=text
[01:01] <oneman> !tell oneman about nvidia
[01:01] <XVampireX> thanks
[01:01] <Riddell> !gr
[01:01] <ubotu> Elate sto #ubuntu-gr gia Elliniki sizitisi
[01:01] <frank23> oneman: do  /msg ubotu nvidia   instead
[01:01] <Kyral> whee! Kerry hit the repos :D
[01:01] <staale> frank23: will do:)
[01:01] <oneman> aye
[01:01] <oneman> ok
[01:01] <oneman> thanks much guys
[01:01] <oneman> rebootng
[01:03] <ganymed> MacAnthony: and how do i call the file... i mean, how does the link look like (i am asking because i have already done this)...
[01:04] <MacAnthony> <a href="#" onclick="whatIGaveYouAbove">Text</a>
[01:05] <jorik> or href="javascript:windows.open(.....);" =)
[01:05] <MacAnthony> or that too, but I'm not sure if the javascript: psuedo link works with xhtml
[01:06] <MacAnthony> thanks jorik :)
[01:06] <jorik> np
[01:06] <MacAnthony> I keep forgetting about that because I usually use the onclick event
[01:06] <jorik> hey does anyone know of a site where the init process in kubuntu is explained ? (the stuff in /etc/init.d)
[01:06] <ganymed> so i put the get vars in the onclick handler?
[01:07] <jtshaw> jorik: I don't know of a site.. but I can explain it to you if you'd like
[01:07] <staale> I know this might sound redicolus, but... ..Can anyone please explain what's the diffrense between Dapper, Horay etc is?
[01:07] <jtshaw> staale: Versions of Kubuntu basically
[01:07] <MacAnthony> ganymed: <a href="#" onclick="window.open('file.php?getVar1=value&getVar2=value', 'newWin', 'height=##,width=##');">Text</a>
[01:08] <staale> jtshaw: So its just names, like xbox, xbox 360, xbox3 etc?
[01:08] <jtshaw> staale: basically, yes
[01:08] <staale> jtshaw: Okey, thankyou
[01:08] <MacAnthony> for newWin, you can put whatever you want - it's just a name to reference the window in the future
[01:12] <XVampireX> I'm stupid!
[01:12] <ganymed> MacAnthony: now nothing happens when i click on the link... hmmmm
[01:12] <XVampireX> I could have never guessed that the system is slow because I didn't install the video drivers!
[01:12] <XVampireX> woot!
[01:12] <XVampireX> bbl, thanks people!
[01:12] <MacAnthony> hmm, can you put it in the pastebin ganymed?
[01:13] <MacAnthony> I can test it out and try it
[01:13] <ganymed> can tell me about pastebin...
[01:14] <ganymed> ok, got it
[01:14] <ganymed> one mom
[01:16] <ganymed> MacAnthony: could it be because i have # in my href attribute?
[01:16] <MacAnthony> ganymed: the onclick event should still fire
[01:16] <mihai_> please help me: i need to use awk to process the ls -l output in order do calculate the sum of all the files from the current directory that were last modified in novembere (11th month of the year)
[01:16] <ganymed> it is: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629892
[01:17] <MacAnthony> the # in the href just allows the anchor to look like a link
[01:17] <staale> what dependencie do i have to install to get all movies work and mp3 files work? Thanks for replies
[01:17] <ganymed> this is just the one line. tell me if you need mroe
[01:17] <ganymed> more
[01:18] <MacAnthony> ganymed: I think I know the problem, but give me a sec to test it out
[01:19] <staale> anyone that knows?
[01:21] <kevman> Well, Kubuntu is really pissing me off.
[01:21] <klab> :(
[01:22] <klab> whyyy
[01:22] <jorik> kevman, whats the matter ?
[01:22] <klab> :D
[01:22] <kevman> I followed the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport for adding Java support to Firefox. Now Firefox won't start.
[01:22] <MacAnthony> ganymed: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629901
[01:22] <kevman> INTERNAL ERROR on the browser end: Could not get Plugin Manager.
[01:22] <MacAnthony> the double quotes inside the javascript were causing the problem, ganymed
[01:23] <ganymed> thx very much
[01:23] <wedgeV> hi, i'm getting an error with "kscreensaver-xsavers", dpkg says its trying to overwrite a file which is in packe kscreensaver
[01:23] <MacAnthony> no problem
[01:23] <kevman> Anyone have any idea how do get that working?
[01:24] <wedgeV> how do i resolve this?
[01:24] <ganymed> MacAnthony: it works, thx very much... :)
[01:25] <MacAnthony> np
[01:25] <Riddell> ubotu: gr is #kubuntu-gr
[01:25] <ubotu> ...but gr is already something else...
[01:27] <Riddell> ubotu: gr is #kubuntu-gr
[01:27] <ubotu> i already had it that way, Riddell
[01:27] <Riddell> !gr
[01:27] <ubotu> gr is, like, #kubuntu-gr
[01:27] <Riddell> My8os: ping
[01:27] <Riddell> ubotu: forget gr
[01:27] <ubotu> i forgot gr, Riddell
[01:28] <Kyral> hey Riddell
[01:28] <Riddell> My8os: now you have to go  ubotu: gr is xxx  where xxx is a pointer to #ubuntu-gr and #kubuntu-gr in greek
[01:30] <Kyral> hey Riddell, is there anything different between packaging for KDE as opposed to what I am used to for GNOME?
[01:31] <My8os> ubotu: gr is #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr    | #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:31] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, My8os
[01:31] <Riddell> My8os: hmm, guess it doesn't like utf8
[01:31] <Riddell> My8os: you'll need to say it in english
[01:31] <Riddell> Kyral: not much, they both use cdbs
[01:32] <My8os> i'll just write it in "greeklish", its the second part of the previous sentence
[01:32] <Kyral> Riddell: hehe thats what I though
[01:32] <My8os> ubotu: gr is #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:32] <ubotu> My8os: okay
[01:32] <Riddell> !gr
[01:32] <ubotu> well, gr is #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:32] <Riddell> yay
[01:32] <My8os> good ;)
[01:32] <Kyral> there are a couple apps on KDE-Apps I wanna package, like Kio-Resources
[01:32] <Riddell> Kyral: cool
[01:33] <ganymed> ciao
[01:33] <Riddell> Kyral: put them on revu when you've done them and poke us in #kubuntu-devel
[01:33] <Kyral> but that will have to wait for a month or two
[01:33] <Kyral> all *buntu work is on hold until school is over
[01:33] <Kyral> renice ubuntu-work 19 :P
[01:37] <XVampireX> Are there no repositories of kdevelop?
[01:38] <XVampireX> oy, nevermind, found it
[01:38] <kosh> kdevelp3 is in the main archives
[01:39] <kevman> I assume it IS possible to have firefox and Java in Kubuntu? Have other people had success?
[01:40] <XVampireX> Err, it is possible...
[01:41] <kevman> I followed the instructions to the letter.
[01:41] <XVampireX> works just fine for me
[01:43] <man2d> where dapper will be released?
[01:43] <jtshaw> kevman: I have it working... I dunno about hte instructions, but all I did was install java and make a symbolic link of the mozilla plugin
[01:43] <nik777> Hi folks - I have a quick quextion regarding installing kubuntu on multiple systems
[01:43] <man2d> *when :)
[01:43] <XVampireX> man2d: 2nd june IIRC
[01:43] <kevman> That's what I did.
[01:44] <XVampireX> err, june 2nd
[01:44] <man2d> thx
[01:45] <jtshaw> so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so?
[01:46] <nik777> I was wondering what is the best way to eliminate downloading applications from the repositories for each machine? Can I cache/copy the packages downloaded during the first installation for use in subsequent installations, or does the DVD or liveCD have all packages on the media?
[01:47] <man2d> have somebody updated kde to 3.5.2 already?
[01:47] <jtshaw> man2d: I did this morning
[01:48] <kosh> no problems here with dapper or breezy and 3.5.2
[01:48] <man2d> what is the difference?
[01:48] <man2d> with 3.5.1?
[01:49] <jtshaw> my understand is it is mostly bugfixes.  Though my system tray icons now have two per column so I suppose they take up less space
[01:49] <jtshaw> my understanding....
[01:50] <kevman> is this correct? libjavaplugin_oji.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so'
[01:52] <man2d> in past 3 hours ill get kde 352 on my machine too 8)
[01:52] <jtshaw> kevman: perhaps... is there a mozilla directory in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ ?
[01:53] <jtshaw> if so, I'd think you'd want to link to the mozilla version and not the netscape version
[01:53] <kevman> jtshaw, no, only "ns7"  and "ns7-gcc29" The former is empty.
[01:54] <jtshaw> kevman: apparently we have different java packages installed then
[01:54] <kevman> jtshaw, mine's sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386
[01:55] <ep> I've got qt 4.0 but I need 4.1.  How should I go about getting it?
[01:56] <jtshaw> Kevman: I'm using the j2re1.4 package from dapper which is a blackdown package
[01:56] <XVampireX> Any websites with tips and tricks for linux?
[01:57] <man2d> http://google.ru/linux
[01:57] <man2d> http://google.com/linux
[01:57] <man2d> :)
[01:57] <XVampireX> Ah, you're russian too :P
[01:57] <regeya> heh
[01:57] <kevman> Well, I'm gonna give up and move to Gentoo in about 10 minutes :/
[01:57] <XVampireX> I got no problems with russian ;) I'm from ukraine but live in Israel :P
[01:57] <nico8481> ! :)
[01:57] <XVampireX> kevman, don't :P
[01:58] <kevman> This shouldn't be difficult. It should either be a single command, or the instructions on the site should be correct.
[01:58] <XVampireX> Da, privet, kak dela? Ty znaesh yestli razreshayut tut razgovarevat na ruskom?
[01:58] <nico8481> anyone uses amaroK to transfer files to a removable player?
[01:58] <man2d> hehe
[01:59] <regeya> why in the world do people think that's going to be the magic code to getting help?
[01:59] <kevman> I'll try blackdown; I obviously messed up Sun somewhere between step four and 15.
[01:59] <XVampireX> nico: How do you use cyrillic?
[01:59] <man2d>  =)
[01:59] <XVampireX> I didn't see that...
[01:59] <regeya> "well, I'm gonna give up and use [distribution]  then!"  why do people think that advocacy extortion is the magic cure-all when nobody knows the answer?
[01:59] <nico8481> XVampireX: just select the right keyboards layout in your KDE settings
[02:00] <man2d> XVampireX: kakoi klient?
[02:00] <XVampireX> Is it translit or russian keyboard?
[02:00] <XVampireX> Konversation
[02:00] <regeya> kevman, I just used the instructions on the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki last night, and it worked like a charm.  make sure you're using the proper package.  I heartily recommend the sun implementation.  they seem to know a bit about java. ;-)
[02:00] <nico8481> XVampireX: what do you mean? it uses a russian keyboard map on your keyboard (here i wrote the cyrillic letters on my keyboard with a pen :p)
[02:00] <regeya> !RestrictedFormats
[02:00] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:01] <kevman> Java sucks anyway, but half the world runs on it.
[02:01] <XVampireX> Ah, nevermind... I thought it works like www.translit.ru
[02:01] <man2d> XVampireX: nazhmi pravoi knopkoi myshi po kanalu i viberi kodirovka - cp1251
[02:01] <nico8481> XVampireX: go to settings>Regional&accessibility>keyboard layout
[02:02] <nico8481> XVampireX: check the box "enable keyboard layouts", and add all the layouts you want to use
[02:02] <XVampireX> I'm on linux, kubuntu, not ubuntu
[02:02] <man2d> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :)
[02:02] <man2d> and reconfigure ur x
[02:02] <XVampireX> Oh well
[02:03] <nik777> kevman: I had the same frustration getting the Java plugin working on Fedora Core 4 as well. Divining the correct library and location is not obvious - but I doubt that changing distro is going to help. I think the problem is with Firefox - it should be able to set up the plugin itself - it's not as if Java is an unusual plugin...
[02:03] <staale> Hi everyone. I just got myself a brand new wireless network card. Ive done with all the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, Im getting on the internett with it etcetc. I just need to know how to add it so it starts up while starting up the pc, anyone has any idea?
[02:03] <man2d> nico8481: where r u from?
[02:03] <nico8481> man2d: belgium
[02:04] <kevman> nik777, in Gentoo, all I did was "USE="java" emerge mozilla-firefox" I have full Java support now.
[02:04] <ep> I have breezy, Qt 4.1.x has been out for quite some time.  How come it's not availible via the repositories?
[02:04] <regeya> kevman, what implementation of java are you trying to install...
[02:04] <man2d> i think it is not right place to say "gentoo rulezz" :D
[02:04] <kevman> Sun.
[02:04] <kevman> Well, the installation IS a massive pain in Gentoo.
[02:05] <nico8481> man2d: you?
[02:05] <nik777> staale: I'm *very* new to kubuntu, but on my *other* KDE distro, I have done this both by using the 'System Tools | Network Device Control" GUI tool, or editing the interface config file.
[02:06] <man2d> russia, spb
[02:06] <staale> nik777: Correct me if I am very wrong about this; I need to do "rc-update add ra0 boot"
[02:06] <nik777> kevman: I have even less experience with emerge than with kubuntu, but that is a reasonably easy approach. I still think firefox should just "Make It Work(TM)"
[02:07] <kevman> Opps. I might have gotten it.
[02:07] <regeya> kevman, I honestly have to say that I grabbed one of the .bins mentioned on the RestrictedFormats site and just followed instructions.  I wish I had some advice, some pitfalls to avoid, etc. but I don't. :-(
[02:07] <staale> Anyone, is "rc-update add ra0 boot" wrong, if I want to get ra0 starting up while starting pc?
[02:07] <kevman> Nope.
[02:08] <nik777> staale: that very well may work. I'm an old RedHat/Fedora Core guy, so I tend to just edit the config files...
[02:08] <staale> nik777: ok, thanks
[02:08] <ep> is Qt 4.1.x apt-gettable. If it is, what flavor of Debian do I need and would this be Qt v 4.1.0 or 4.1.1 ?
[02:09] <ep> wrong channel
[02:09] <kevman> Oh, man.
[02:09] <man2d> does somebody play wingames with wine?
[02:10] <kevman> Now the plugins directory is empty.
[02:10] <kosh> ep: in ubuntu dapper qt4 is at version 4.1.0
[02:10] <man2d> where i need go?)
[02:11] <kevman> OK, so, I have this file: "/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so"
[02:11] <kevman> what do I do with it?
[02:11] <kosh> ep: it looks like debian sid is also using 4.1.0
[02:11] <nik777> kevman: does your machine use GCC 2.9  or 3.x for it's compilation? I would suspect 3.x, in which case the gcc29 file is probably incompatible
[02:12] <kosh> ep: if you do a search for apt-cache search qt4  you will find all the packages for it
[02:12] <staale> rc-update command not found:( Please help me out here someone, Im an old gentoo geek. Totaly new to kubuntu. Anyone know what the command for adding ra0 to startup is?
[02:12] <kosh> ep: or you can use adept and type in qt4 for what to search for and then install all of them
[02:12] <kevman> nik777, then how do I get a different one?
[02:13] <ep> I have breezy ( i think)  How do i check :-)  Does that matter?
[02:13] <nik777> kevman: my understanding (based on trial, much error, and a little success) is that you can create a symbolic link to the plugin library from one of two places: The global plugin directory for your browser (typically /use/...) or you private firefox directory (either ~/.firefox/...   or  ~/.mozilla/firefox/...)
[02:13] <kevman> But I have what you think is an incompabtible one.
[02:14] <staale> Please anyone... Need help herer. I am going to bed soon, cuz im tierd. Would have been great if someone could help me out on this one..
[02:14] <me2win> !xgl
[02:14] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[02:14] <kevman> The ns7 directory is empty.
[02:14] <nik777> kevman: can you search your Java installation for all "*libjava*"?
[02:15] <staale> rc-update command not found:( Please help me out here someone, Im an old gentoo geek. Totaly new to kubuntu. Anyone know what the command for adding ra0 to startup is?
[02:15] <ep> apt cache-search qt4 list the files available but it doesn't specify which version, what's the command line swiitch to get that?
[02:15] <amauri> alguem do brasil
[02:16] <kevman> nik777, how would I go about doing that?
[02:16] <nik777> staale: is there a Network entry on your "System Tools" menu?
[02:17] <staale> nik777: I only like command line:/
[02:17] <Arcanimus> 'lo all
[02:17] <nik777> kevman: If you are used to the file search (eg, Konqueror), then use that. If you prefer the command-line then: 'find <path-to-java> -name "*libjava*" '
[02:18] <nik777> staale: ok, see what in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
[02:19] <kevman> 6 lines. Paste here OK?
[02:19] <nik777> staale: I am expecting you will see one or more "ifcfg-xxx" files
[02:19] <ep> I'm assuming it's 4.0.0.... Maybe I need to update my sources?  My breezy is nice and stable.  Isn't dapper still a non-release version?
[02:19] <nik777> kevman: I don't mind...
[02:20] <kevman> here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629968
[02:20] <staale> nik777: doesn't exist
[02:20] <staale> =/
[02:20] <staale> nik777: dont bother, got it fixed myself
[02:20] <staale> but thanks for the trie...
[02:20] <nik777> staale: no worries - I actually came here to ask questions myself - but always happy to try to help.
[02:20] <nik777> What worked, BTW?
[02:21] <staale> I tried use the interface:P And it WORKED:O
[02:21] <kevman> nik777, thing this one will work: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so ?
[02:21] <staale> I allways hate interface. cuz i think its buggy. But now it worked, so im happy suprised:P
[02:22] <nik777> kevman: Yup, that's the one I was going to recommend.
[02:22] <kevman> nik777, use that name for the link?
[02:22] <nik777> staale: I don't trust Ghastly User Interface things either - particularly for sysadmin :o)
[02:23] <staale> nik777: hehe;P
[02:23] <nik777> kevman: yes, I think it's important that the link has the same name as the library it points to
[02:24] <shawn___> hi
[02:24] <nik777> kevman: in case no has told you, my experience is: A) you need to shutdown and restart firefox for the plugin to be initialised and B) the java plugin doesn't show in the plugin list, **even when it is correctly installed**
[02:25] <kevman> nik777, my experience, too :/
[02:25] <shawn___> I'm trying to upgrade dapper to KDE 3.5.2 and get this http://pastebin.com/629974 error
[02:26] <kevman> Problem, is, nik777, I assumed the official documentation would be correct. Obviously a bad one.
[02:26] <nik777> kevman: yes, I had the same trouble. I think the doco is waaay out of date compared to recent distributions, both of Java *and* firefox
[02:27] <kevman> nik777, its starts now. No java.
[02:27] <nik777> kevman: I'm just looking to see which plugin is working on my machine...
[02:30] <nik777> kevman: can you do this: find /usr/lib -name "libnull*"
[02:31] <kevman> Returns nothing.
[02:31] <nik777> kevman: ok, try: find /usr -name "libnull*"
[02:32] <JohnFlux> http://wwwf.centos.org.nyud.net:8090/127_story.html?storyid=127  <--- for every helping person that has had to deal with an irrational user
[02:33] <kevman> nik777, Returns nothing.
[02:34] <Sergi0> JohnFlux lol i've read that yesterday, yea its a good one :) (and the patience the guys have, oh mang)
[02:34] <nik777> kevman: interesting...  on my machine, every firefox plugin directory has a "libnullplugin.so" in it. I was just trying to find out if there were more than one firefox plugin directory (there are about 5 on my machine)
[02:35] <JohnFlux> Sergi0: almost makes you want to switch to centos just for the tech support
[02:35] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:35] <nik777> kevman: ok try: find /usr -name plugins
[02:35] <nik777> kevman: did you install the flash plugin manually?
[02:36] <kevman> No, don't think so.
[02:36] <nik777> kevman: ok, try: find /usr -name "libflash*"
[02:37] <nik777> kevman: that will probably pick up a few extras, like openoffice...
[02:37] <Sergi0> JohnFlux thats another story
[02:37] <Sergi0> JohnFlux :)
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:42] <kevman> WTF is going on.
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, Returns nothing.
[02:43] <nik777> kevman: dunno - I thought you had hiccups :o)
[02:43] <kevman> Anyway, still nothing. I placed that libjavaplugin_nscp.so in every place where there is libflash on the HD. Still nothing.
[02:43] <ArthurB> Hi, dpkg stalls on: "Setting up kubuntu-artwork-usplash (6.06-1) ..." could anyone remove the package / reinstall it and tell me if he experiences the same problem ?
[02:44] <nik777> kevman: are you including the quotes in the command line? They are needed...
[02:44] <kevman> nik777, of course.
[02:44] <davebgimp> I just upgraded to KDE 3.5.2 and now Kopete won't connect to MSN and flat-out crashes when trying to access the configure setteings. Has anyone else had this problem?
[02:44] <nik777> kevman: just making sure...
[02:44] <kevman> nik777, just noticed, though. Forgot the *
[02:45] <nik777> kevman: ok, try find ~ -name "linflash*"
[02:45] <nik777> kevman: basically, searching in your home directory...
[02:45] <kevman> I did, and placed a link there. It didn't work.
[02:45] <nik777> kevman:  oops: taht should be: find ~ -name "libflash*"
[02:46] <ArthurB> ah no... just toook a long time to complete
[02:46] <kevman> "/home/normaluser/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[02:46] <kevman> " but I already plopped a link in there and tried it.
[02:47] <nik777> kevman: ok, you're ahead of me then. Was that a link to the libjavaplugin_nscp.so ?
[02:47] <kevman> /home/normaluser/.mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so'
[02:48] <nik777> kevman: ok, well, the next plugin library I'd try would be: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:49] <kevman> I've already tried that one.
[02:50] <darkmatter1> hello
[02:50] <inuka> hi, i'm having problems with my sound on kubuntu, can anyone help? i followed the alsa setup instructructions on the wiki, to install libesd-alsa0 and set it up like they said.. i then install skype_dsp_hijacker, as my skype only allowed me to make one call at a time.. but now, that doesn't work all the time, and i can't hear ANY other sound on my pc, even when skype isn't running!! any advice?
[02:51] <inuka> when i try to change to alsa, esd ot auto detect hardware in the sound setting, i get an error too..
[02:52] <nik777> kevman: which version of Java do you have (that post has scrolled off the top of the page)
[02:53] <kevman> jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:53] <darkmatter1> I Installed Kubuntu Breezy onto my comuter (secondary hard drive)  with winxp on my master.  The install went fine, but when it tried to reboot, GRUB started said, starting GRUB 1.5, GRUB loading...please wait, then ERROR 21,    I went to the GRUB website, and ERROR 21 means no device recognized.  As I mentioned before, I want to dual boot winxp and kubuntu.  At the moment, i can not get into either.  What are my choices.  I know I can u
[02:53] <darkmatter1> se a windows boot disk and do a fixmbr, but what could I do so that i can still use kubuntu, because I love Linux.  I also need to get my data from my winxp
[02:53] <ArthurB> do you have /dev/dsp ?
[02:53] <nik777> kevman: wierd, same as mine, and I have a ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so in there. How about I post it on a server, and you download it to try?
[02:54] <ArthurB> darkmatter... well most in the  same way, you can boot using a linux livecd and fix your grub
[02:54] <kevman> nik777, ok
[02:54] <darkmatter1> well, I reinstalled kubuntu, and got the same error
[02:54] <darkmatter1> so i think grub is fine
[02:54] <darkmatter1> its that it doesnt recongnize my drives
[02:54] <darkmatter1> I went and looked at my BIOS, but I couldnt distinguish the problem
[02:55] <ArthurB> do you use scsi drives ?
[02:55] <darkmatter1> uhhhhhh
[02:55] <darkmatter1> they are SATA
[02:55] <ArthurB> ok
[02:55] <ArthurB> don't think that should matter but ya never know :)
[02:55] <darkmatter1> yeah
[02:55] <darkmatter1> I have several live cd's
[02:55] <darkmatter1> and ive booted onto the dapper live cd since this problem, but I have no idea how to fix the issue
[02:56] <darkmatter1> Im also kinda on a time constraint because I have all of my homework files on there, not backed up, and due
[02:57] <ArthurB> might be a problem with your bios
[02:57] <darkmatter1> :/
[02:57] <darkmatter1> I dont really want to mess with my bios
[02:57] <nik777> kevman: ok, download this, and put it into your ns7 directory: http://nik.homelinux.net/files/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:57] <darkmatter1> I have an 1 1/2 year old ASUS motherboard if that tells ya anything
[02:57] <ArthurB> there's always a reset option on your bios
[02:57] <ArthurB> to reset to factory settings, so no big deal
[02:58] <darkmatter1> yah, I know, but I cant risk loosing data
[02:58] <ArthurB> urh no why ?
[02:58] <darkmatter1> and I went into my bios, and only my Optical drives are in there
[02:58] <ArthurB> you don't see your hd in your bios ?
[02:58] <darkmatter1> nope
[02:58] <ArthurB> that explains it
[02:58] <ArthurB> grub relies on the bios to see the drives, but linux doesn't
[02:58] <darkmatter1> ok
[02:58] <ArthurB> that's why you are able to install kubuntu
[02:59] <darkmatter1> so, how did the windows bootloader manage to work?
[02:59] <ryanakca> how do you compare 2 files under ubuntu? "diff file1 file2" echoes everyline of file1 with a < in front of it, and everyline of file2 with a > in front of it...
[02:59] <ArthurB> you need to press the "autodetect hd" option in your bios
[02:59] <ArthurB> I swear it won't hurt
[02:59] <darkmatter1> lol, you promise ;)
[02:59] <ArthurB> yeah
[02:59] <darkmatter1> Ill go look for it
[02:59] <darkmatter1> thank you
[02:59] <ArthurB> no pb
[03:00] <kevman> nik777, ok
[03:01] <nik777> ryanaka: every line that diff echoes with a < in front, means "take this line out", and every line diff echoes with a > in front of it means "put this line in". So diff is saying that all the lines with a < in front are different to the corresponding line with a > in front.
[03:02] <darkmatter1> hey
[03:02] <darkmatter1> can someone help me with what arthurB was doing?
[03:02] <darkmatter1> I cant find the Hard drive autodetect
[03:03] <davebgimp> embryo75
[03:05] <inuka> darkmatter1: i had a similar problem with a sata drive and a fujitsu pc, in the end i got a pci sata controller and attached my drive to that and kubuntu installed fine after that..
[03:06] <darkmatter1> inuka, my kubuntu installed, its the GRUB that isnt working, was it the same with you?
[03:07] <inuka> darkmatter1: oh, sorry i didn't read the earlier conversation.. my kubuntu installation used to hang on the GRUB loader installation part..
[03:07] <darkmatter1> oh
[03:07] <darkmatter1> :/
[03:07] <darkmatter1> does anyone here know a lot about BIOS?
[03:07] <darkmatter1> I just need to know if something I do is going to hurt my system
[03:12] <nik777> darkmatter1: did you look in all areas of the BIOS setup?
[03:13] <darkmatter1> woohooo
[03:13] <darkmatter1> i did it
[03:14] <darkmatter1> after two weeks
[03:14] <darkmatter1> you have no idea how happy i am
[03:14] <darkmatter1> :)
[03:14] <darkmatter1> thank you all for helping
[03:14] <darkmatter1> bbye
[03:14] <nik777> darkmatter1: we're glad to see you're going :o) ... and 2 weeks is a long time to try...
[03:17] <nik777> ok, I'll ask my question again: is there any way I can reuse the packages downloaded for one installation for subsequent installations on other machines? Alternatively, does either the liveCD or DVD image contain all packages on the media?
[03:18] <bimberi> nik777: packages are cachec in /var/cache/apt/archives.  You can transfer them to the same directory on another PC and it won't have to download them
[03:18] <bimberi> *cached
[03:19] <My8os> nik777: check this out-> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#reinstall
[03:19] <nik777> bimweri: awesome - thanks. I'm used to yum, which does something similar. I just needed to know which was the best approach before I started downloading images. Many, many thanks.
[03:20] <nik777> My8os: thank you - that looks like it will help a lot! Cheers!
[03:20] <Parkotron> What's the general consensus? Has anyone encountered any major issues upgrading to 3.5.2?
[03:27] <kevman> nik777, YAY!
[03:27] <kevman> Thank you very much.
[03:29] <nik777> kevman: awesome! :o)  ... but a lot more effort than it should have been. I'm wondering if your installation of Java was just missing that file somehow, or whether it got deleted when you were linking/unlinking to different libs?
[03:29] <nik777> kevman: glad to hear you're working - Cheers!
[03:29] <kevman> It never existed, I can tell you that.
[03:30] <kevman> Thanks. Now, hopefully, it won't go to waste.
[03:30] <nik777> kevman: you're welcome! :o)
[03:32] <nik777> see you all later folks - bimberi, My8os thanks - exactly what I needed!
[03:35] <jules> comprends rien....
[03:35] <jules> a sert  quoi ce truc?
[03:35] <frank23> Parkotron: the menu for changing the resolution disappeared in kde 3.5.2
[03:35] <admrl> where is qt in kubuntu
[03:36] <frank23> jules: en francais: #ubuntu-fr  et #kubuntu-fr
[03:36] <admrl> did locate qt and couldnt find it
[03:37] <jules> merci frank23 mais je ne pensais pas parler  qlqun en particulier...dsol de dranger
[03:37] <jules> je suppose qu'il y a des conversations en cours
[03:37] <ankur> hey
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> hey
[03:38] <ankur> CheeseBurgerMan: are you using Kubuntu?
[03:38] <frank23> jules: oui
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[03:38] <jules> merci en tous cas
[03:39] <jules> je reviendrai voir  quoi l'endroit peut bien servir
[03:39] <Parkotron> frank23: Exactly what menu is that?
[03:39] <Parkotron> frank23: I use KRandRTray. Is that what went missing?
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: why? having problems?
[03:40] <frank23> Parkotron: the one where you change the resolution.  right-click Desktop->Configure Desktop->Display is not there
[03:41] <frank23> jules: c'est pour discuter et avoir de l'aide aven kubuntu. mais le chan ici est seulement en anglais
[03:41] <Parkotron> frank23: I guess that kind of makes sense since it's being replaced in Dapper. Thanks.
[03:41] <frank23> Parkotron: with what? I didn't know about it...
[03:42] <admrl> Set $QTDIR correctly and rerun.
[03:42] <admrl> could anyone help me with this...?
[03:42] <ankur> hrm
[03:42] <ankur> i cant get my broadcom card to work
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> tried ndiswrapper?
[03:42] <ankur> i followed the guide for it
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis what I use
[03:43] <Parkotron> frank23: The Guidance package is being expanded to cover some simple xorg.conf modifications. It's still pretty buggy at the moment, but you can check it out in Dapper.
[03:43] <ankur> cheese everything worked out like the guide said to..
[03:43] <ankur> but i still have no wifi access
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: have you told it which ESSID to look for?
[03:44] <ankur> ?
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> probably not :P
[03:44] <ankur> all the guide said to do was 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> ah
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[03:44] <ankur> well that was the final step of it
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> Go to Control Center > Internet & Network > Network Settings
[03:45] <ankur> youre using Gnome right?
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> nope
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> KDE
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:45] <ankur> wheres control center
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> run kcontrol
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> you can go into system settings, and it should be there as well
[03:45] <ankur> ioh
[03:45] <ankur> thats what i was tinking
[03:45] <ankur> system settings
[03:46] <Hobbsee> should be, but it's not very good
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ankur: are you running encryption on your connection?
[03:46] <ankur> no
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: yeah, I know, that's why I said Control Center
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ok, iwconfig shows what?
[03:46] <ankur> nothing in iwconfig
[03:46] <Hobbsee> CheeseBurgerMan: both show the same module, both arent very good
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ankur: and ifconfig?
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> ah
[03:46] <frank23> Parkotron: yeah... I see what you mean. I have dapper running in vmware. so that change makes sense except I don't have the new configuration tool in breezy
[03:47] <_erofee> does anyone here have apache2 experience?
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I thought  you meant that system settings isn't very good (and I personally don't like it)
[03:47] <ankur> Kcontrol says loading when i hit Admin mode... and doesnt ask for a pass
[03:47] <admrl> could anyone tell me what $QTDIR should be
[03:47] <me2win> !LAMP
[03:47] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:48] <ankur> hrm
[03:48] <_erofee> me2win: was that for my benefit?
[03:48] <ankur> im about 3 seconds from reinstalling
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: Breezy, right?
[03:48] <me2win> _erofee: actually it was for mine, but glad I could help :D
[03:48] <Hobbsee> admrl: i'm assuming it's /etc/qt3 - includes are in a different place
[03:48] <admrl> ya i know includes are in /usr/
[03:48] <ankur> yeah Cheese
[03:49] <_erofee> me2win:actually, it hasn't helped me, i am having trouble with it
[03:49] <me2win> with what?
[03:49] <_erofee> apache2
[03:49] <me2win> what problem are you having?
[03:49] <admrl> Hobbsee nope
[03:49] <admrl> thats not it
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> I doubt it'll work any better with a reinstall. Dapper detects my broadcom natively, but it's more  of a pain afterwards. ;)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[03:49] <_erofee> i can't load http://localhost/, http://localhost:80/ or http://127.0.0.1/
[03:50] <me2win> did you check your ports .conf?
[03:50] <ankur> CheeseBurgerMan:  i know... but it seems like some of my admin/root stuff is broken
[03:50] <_erofee> where do i find that?
[03:50] <ankur> after i rebooted..
[03:50] <ankur> it wouldnt accept my root pass for Sudo anymore
[03:50] <me2win> _erofee: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[03:50] <_erofee> also, is it normal for apache2 to start 6 processes when it starts?
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: don't use your root pass - use your pass
[03:50] <_erofee> i will check it out now
[03:50] <ankur> cheese either or
[03:51] <_erofee> it is set to listen 80
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Strange. :o
[03:51] <ports-> yeah
[03:52] <me2win> hhmm
[03:52] <ports-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[03:52] <ports-> thats the guide i used
[03:52] <pradeepto> greetings
[03:52] <_erofee> me2win: any ideas?
[03:53] <me2win> do you want it to ONLY respond to localhost?
[03:53] <ports-> CheeseBurgerMan:  as im clicking on things for Administrator Mode... it doesnt ask me for an admin pass anymore
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Did you use EXACTLY those commands?
[03:53] <me2win> _erofee: do you want it to ONLY respond to localhost?
[03:53] <ports-> yes
[03:53] <_erofee> i just want it to respond, then i can worry about it only responding locally
[03:53] <me2win> _erofee: do you have a routeR?
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: are you sure you used the right driver?
[03:53] <Desh> Umm, my Kubuntu wont start up..
[03:54] <_erofee> nope, hosting on the same maching i am on
[03:54] <admrl> Desh: what happens when you try to start it up
[03:54] <me2win> so you are just modem -> computer?
[03:54] <_erofee> yep
[03:54] <_erofee> crappy dialup...don't even get me started with Telstra...
[03:55] <ports-> cheese lol i hope so
[03:55] <Desh> i uninstalled the video drivers that kubuntu instaled normally and installed the other ones adept showed me, then i restarted the laptop, now kubuntu stops at a windows where the last line is : checking battery state
[03:55] <me2win> _erofee: try restarting the apache server
[03:55] <_erofee> i have tried before, but i will try again.
[03:55] <Desh> now, if i press alt+f4 i can login in the command line (black screen)
[03:56] <Desh> startx does not work
[03:56] <me2win> _erofee: try stopping it, then starting it, as opposed to just restarting
[03:56] <ports-> CheeseBurgerMan:  here i had trouble with this
[03:56] <ports-> for conffile in /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5/*.conf; do
[03:56] <me2win> Desh: when was the last time you did a dist-upgrade?
[03:56] <Desh> startx tells me no screens were found >_<
[03:56] <_erofee> have restarted, can't get the status using apache2ctl status
[03:56] <Desh> Umm like 2 days ago
[03:57] <_erofee> brb 2 secs
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> !ndiswrapper
[03:57] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:57] <Desh> i was trying out WINE cos I wanna play some games on the laptop, so i was getting what I thought were "better" drivers
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Follow that guide after removing the previous ndiswrapper traces.
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> with step 0 in the guide you followed
[03:58] <Desh> anyone know how I can get my Kubuntu runing again?
[03:58] <Desh> i thik its something in the Xorg.org file
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Same thing happened to me when I   tried installing ATI drivers
[03:58] <_erofee> i'm back
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> I replaced my xorg.conf with a backup
[03:58] <Desh> How can I do this?
[03:59] <Desh> im in the command line now
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo cp /path/to/backup/xorg.con /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> err
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo cp /path/to/backup/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:59] <Desh> and that's it?
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:59] <frank23> Desh: well thats assuming you made a backup of xorg.conf before hand
[03:59] <me2win> Desh: do you keep backupos?
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah
[03:59] <Desh> no...
[03:59] <Desh> Lol
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> frank23: it automatically backed up mine
[04:00] <me2win> !xorg
[04:00] <ubotu> hmm... xorg is To reconfigure your X server, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal, or check here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto or here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[04:00] <_erofee> me2win: any more ideas?
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: run ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:00] <me2win> Desh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> or that :P
[04:00] <frank23> Desh: oh yeah maybe it did make a backup
[04:00] <Desh> lol ok
[04:00] <me2win> _erofee: you can try doing Listen localhost
[04:00] <Desh> sow ait which one?
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:00] <Desh> lol like 9 people said to do something
[04:00] <_erofee> instead of listen 80?
[04:01] <me2win> yeah
[04:01] <me2win> !fglrx
[04:01] <ubotu> fglrx is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> drat
[04:01] <_erofee> will give it a shot and report back
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> wrong command
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> sorry
[04:01] <Desh> it says: No such file or directory
[04:01] <Desh> same
[04:02] <_erofee> nope, doesn't like it, says "port must be specified"
[04:02] <Desh> is that Ls or 1s?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls
[04:02] <Desh> No such file or directory
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> make sure your capitalization is the same
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:03] <Desh> nope
[04:03] <Desh> im doing the reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> works here
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just copied and pasted it. :P
[04:03] <_erofee> me2win: i installed apache, and then uninstalled apache and installed apache2.  Could this have something to do with it?
[04:03] <me2win> _erofee: doubt it
[04:04] <me2win> _erofee: do Listen localhost:80
[04:04] <_erofee> fair enough.
[04:04] <Desh> hmm brb food time :)
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> ok :P
[04:05] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: btw you seems to have an ATI card right?
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:05] <_erofee> me2win: are we talking about in the .conf file?
[04:05] <davebgimp> Hello, I've just upgraded my Kubuntu install to KDE 3.5.2 and now notice that Kopete will not connect to MSN and flat-out crashes when I try to get into the configure options. Any ideas?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> I haven't installed the 'official' drivers yet
[04:06] <me2win> _erofee: ports.conf yes
[04:06] <me2win> davebgimp: use gaim :P
[04:06] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: hmm what package did you install exactly?
[04:06] <_erofee> done, stopped and then started, still no good
[04:06] <Desh> uh oh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: breezy or dapper, and does it crash in all of the configure options, or just devices?
[04:06] <me2win> _erofee: thats pretty odd
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: When?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> err
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: when?
[04:06] <Desh> i did:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> sorry
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK..
[04:07] <pradeepto> to insall ATI drivers i
[04:07] <Desh> and my screen is umm..off
[04:07] <pradeepto> if you installed them that is
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> I used easyubuntu
[04:07] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: Breezy and it crashes when selecting "configure kopete". I can get into plugins, shortcuts, etc.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[04:07] <me2win> _erofee: try Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[04:07] <me2win> instead of localhost
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:08] <_erofee> me2win: where is the root directory of all the files on the httpd?
[04:08] <Desh> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[04:08] <Desh> ITS LOADING!
[04:08] <me2win> _erofee: not sure
[04:08] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: I've been checking around forums to see if others have the same  issue, but so far, none
[04:08] <Desh> CHeeseBurgerMan, I shall be back after dinner
[04:08] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: someone mentioned it last night.
[04:08] <Desh> And YOU will help ME get 3D ati drivers to work
[04:09] <`timmy> can someone tell me with the syntax for adding the wine repositories are into sources.list ?
[04:09] <Desh> OH SHIT
[04:09] <_erofee> me2win: "can't bind to address 127.0.0.1:80"
[04:09] <Desh> Ok same thing still
[04:09] <_erofee> me2win: that sounds bad....
[04:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: as I told you, I never got them working...
[04:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you know anything about the crystal window dec that's included in Kubuntu now?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: move the ~/.kde/apps/config/kopete* somewhere else, and let it be recreated, and see if you still have the problem
[04:09] <Desh> :( still the same problem
[04:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: namely, did they compile it without transparency support?
[04:09] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: Okay, will try it now
[04:09] <Desh> what driver should I use for mobility 9700 when this asks me:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: there's a guide on the wine site
[04:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis under "ubuntu", but should work for Kubuntu as well
[04:10] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i have no idea, sorry.  you'd have to look at the changelog to see who packaged it
[04:10] <Desh> cheese, what did u tell em to run again?
[04:10] <Desh> *me
[04:11] <Desh> ls ....
[04:11] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: aah thanks, heh I came to know about easyubuntu few hours back only.
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:11] <`timmy> thanks cheese - i checked it out though and i get "malformed error" whenever i add the lines to the list =/
[04:11] <Desh> IT WORKE
[04:11] <Desh> D
[04:11] <Desh> now what?
[04:11] <pradeepto> I would love to know the correct package name though :)
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, is there something like xorg.conf.2006030
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> ?
[04:11] <rubso> Hi :)
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> to Desh
[04:11] <Desh> noo
[04:12] <frank23> davebgimp: I just tried kopete with kde 3.5.2. it connected fine. It crashed when I selected the devices tab in Configure...
[04:12] <rubso> guys i'm gonna download Kubuntu right now, does it support all GNOME/GTKs apps?
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've got GNOME installed on it
[04:12] <Desh> app-defaults     fonts    xinit     Xresources    Xsession.d
[04:12] <frank23> davebgimp: do you have a webcam?
[04:12] <Desh> thats line 1
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: pastebin
[04:12] <rubso> Oh, Thanks
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis easier for me to see it all. ;)
[04:12] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: I moved the config files, still the same crashes
[04:12] <Desh> ilne2: config   rgb.txt  xkb   xserver   Xsession.options
[04:12] <davebgimp> frank23:
[04:12] <davebgimp> frank23: No I do not
[04:12] <rubso> its apt based distro, right?
[04:13] <pradeepto> `timmy: please post your sources.list to pastebin
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> rubso: yes
[04:13] <Desh> line 3:  default-display-manager  X  xorg.conf  Xsession  Xwrapper.conf
[04:13] <Desh> and thats all i see
[04:13] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: what if you move the ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete folder?
[04:13] <rubso> CheeseBurgerMan, Thank you very much ;)
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[04:13] <Hobbsee> or whichever way around it is - i never remember
[04:13] <`timmy> pastebin? sorry this is my first time in the channel please explain
[04:13] <Kyral> !paste
[04:13] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[04:13] <frank23> davebgimp: me neither.
[04:13] <me2win> Hobbsee: what are the deb cdrom: repos for?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> me2win: in the sources list?
[04:14] <Kyral> Those are for accessing Repos on CDs
[04:14] <me2win> Hobbsee: yeah
[04:14] <Kyral> like the Install CD
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral
[04:14] <Hobbsee> me2win: see what Kyral said
[04:14] <pradeepto> `timmy: please paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list to kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:14] <`timmy> prad, kyral: thanks- doing it now
[04:14] <me2win> Kyral: are they necessary if you have all the repos enabled?
[04:14] <Desh> any ideas?
[04:15] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: moving the kopete folder in apps I still have crashes
[04:15] <Kyral> me2win: not really
[04:15] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: darn, ok
[04:15] <me2win> kk thanks
[04:15] <Hobbsee> file a bug for it?
[04:15] <Kyral> me2win: if you have a good NetConn
[04:15] <me2win> ah isee
[04:15] <me2win> for dialup people?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Guess you have to run the dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <Kyral> Hehe we take sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <me2win> ubotu: tell me about repos
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, that was the command.
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oops. :P
[04:17] <Kyral> Friend of mine was having trouble with X on Gentoo
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, people here are having problems with X on Kubuntu. ;)
[04:17] <Kyral> I instinctively tried to do sudo dpkg-recongfigure xserver-xorg :P
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:17] <Desh> im doing it now...
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> I tried to chmod on Windows.
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> :|
[04:17] <Kyral> lol
[04:17] <Kyral> I know the feeling
[04:17] <Desh> yay startx worked
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Someone I know tried to use su in windows - it froze the computer. :P
[04:18] <Desh> let em write that command down, I see myself using it alot...
[04:18] <Kyral> I hit tab expecting something lol
[04:18] <`timmy> prad- it's in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630115
[04:18] <Kyral> sat there for like 10 seconds before I realized I wasn't in Kansas :P
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Old habits die hard
[04:18] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: Kyral  yesterday night somebody rebooted a kubuntu box after apt-get update
[04:18] <pradeepto> beat that :)
[04:19] <Kyral> Yahso?
[04:19] <Kyral> If the kernel gets updated I reboot too
[04:19] <Desh> EW MY FONT IS BIG NOW!!
[04:19] <pradeepto> Kyral: apt-get update?
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: I know - it won't be when you reboot
[04:19] <Desh> whew
[04:19] <Kyral> pradeepto: ah
[04:19] <Kyral> I usually combine the commands
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> wow
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:20] <Kyral> into 5 letters
[04:20] <Kyral> aptUI
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> apt-get dist-upgrade I rebooted after - but an update
[04:20] <Kyral> Fear my Bash Aliases file!
[04:20] <davebgimp> tried cleaning all the accounts out of Kopete and getting into the configure settings without any accounts or connections...no luck. Still crashes
[04:20] <pradeepto> heh heh this chap was troll man, we had to ban him
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> although I turn off my computer every night, so it's not that uncommon for me to reboot
[04:20] <Kyral> I can't sleep without the fans running
[04:20] <pradeepto> hehe
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I have the radio going :P
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: I see you have AMD64 - you may have some problems with WINE - it doesn't seem to like AMD64 from what I saw
[04:21] <pradeepto> well after upgrade I do a reboot generally, I did that on my laptop few minutes back :)
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: I did that on my laptop yesterday. ;)
[04:22] <Kyral> incoming
[04:22] <Kyral> Hostname: xen.azuredreams.us - OS: Linux 2.6.11.12-xen0/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) (2133.525 MHz) - Processes: 47 - Uptime: 20h 50m - Load Average: 0.56 - Memory Usage: 31.90MB/59.08MB (54.00%) - Disk Usage: 8.62GB/17.38GB (49.62%)
[04:22] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: well I had to do it because I did a apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:22] <Kyral> Only reason the uptime is low is because the power went out last night :P
[04:22] <`timmy> cheese - thanks, i can't even download it though, apt-get update errors out -- do i need arguments after the url ?
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: Same here
[04:22] <Kyral> !sources
[04:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: Not that I know of
[04:23] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: what can I say, greate minds think (and do) alike , almost concurrently :P
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:24] <pradeepto> speaking of power cuts ... 8 Am approaching...
[04:24] <Kyral> eh?
[04:24] <Kyral> Oh I should note
[04:24] <Kyral> this is ON my server
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Kyral: easier still to write a shell script with the commands, then call the shell script :P
[04:24] <Kyral> I'm just SSH'd into a Screen session :D
[04:26] <jbsnake> wow... lots of people in here
[04:29] <frank23> pradeepto: do you have regular power cuts?
[04:29] <pradeepto> frank23: yup :(
[04:29] <fatejudger> has anyone had any luck changing the kdm theme in Dapper?
[04:29] <frank23> pradeepto: where do you live?
[04:29] <pradeepto> frank23: govt is short of power you see
[04:30] <Desh> So..no games for me on Kubuntu?
[04:30] <pradeepto> frank23: small town called Panvel (near Mumbai - Bombay), India
[04:30] <Desh> Why cant ATI make decent Linux drivers?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: install kcontrol-kdmtheme
[04:30] <frank23> pradeepto: I see.
[04:31] <Desh> has anyone been able to run windows games on Linux w/ ATI drivers?
[04:31] <frank23> Desh: lots of people run the ati drivers with success but nvidia is still better
[04:31] <Desh> I want to play Ragnarok Online, but I need good drivers
[04:31] <Desh> Well i treis using the extra ones Kubuntu brings
[04:31] <Desh> but it screwed my xorg.conf file
[04:32] <pradeepto> frank23: do you have powercuts too ?
[04:32] <Desh> whew my lovable font again
[04:32] <frank23> Desh: there is probably a way to make it work...  I don't know much about it though
[04:32] <frank23> pradeepto: no.
[04:33] <crxyem> so anyone using samba ?/
[04:33] <frank23> pradeepto: I wonder if regular powercuts like that are hard on transformers. They warm up and cool down often like that
[04:34] <Desh> Hmm when I run Trillian with WINE it just blinks on the screen and does nothing
[04:34] <Desh> any idea on making WINE work?
[04:34] <Desh> *Trillian
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Never tried using Wine, much less Wine with Trillian
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:34] <Desh> Lol
[04:34] <Desh> I lub trillian
[04:35] <Desh> should I try Cedega for games instead?
[04:35] <crxyem> use gaim
[04:35] <crxyem> way better
[04:35] <Desh> I have Gaim
[04:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: does that require a restart?
[04:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm not seeing it
[04:35] <Desh> let me log in from my laptop now...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it's in kcontrol
[04:36] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know, but where?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> under system admin
[04:36] <Hobbsee> otherwise, hit the search button :P
[04:37] <_shane> Hi, I have a laptop, I have installed acpi but the power button doesn't turn the laptop off, is there anything else I should do?
[04:37] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you mean the login manager?
[04:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that was already there
[04:38] <Hobbsee> no, ther'es a kdm theme manager rigth above it, if the program works
[04:38] <fatejudger> I'm gonna restart
[04:38] <jbsnake> anyone know why an update broke?
[04:38] <jbsnake> kde specifically
[04:38] <Hobbsee> _shane: see system settings, laptop
[04:39] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: that'll help, i think
[04:39] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: which update?
[04:39] <jbsnake> kde 3.5.2... i guess
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> What directions did you follow?
[04:39] <jbsnake> i ran adept and it went kaboom when i was done
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, overheating? ;)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:40] <jbsnake> so i removed the kde repositories (the ubuntu breezy ones)
[04:40] <jbsnake> i'm running dapper... i figured that out afterward
[04:40] <jbsnake> it's not stuck on kscreensaver-xsavers
[04:41] <jbsnake> s/not/now/g
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Put in the dapper repos, and then do an 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> a*
[04:41] <jbsnake> it's trying to force me to run apt-get -f install
[04:42] <jbsnake> but it fails
[04:42] <jbsnake> should i remove kde...
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> jbsnake: can't you just add the dapper repos?
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or does it stop you?
[04:43] <_shane> Hobbsee: there was meantion of APM not being installed but apept indicates it is! whats up?
[04:43] <jbsnake> it let's me do that
[04:43] <jbsnake> updates fine
[04:43] <jbsnake> but craps out on the apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:43] <jbsnake> says i have to run apt-get -f install
[04:44] <Hobbsee> _shane: i dont know, i rarely use adept
[04:44] <jbsnake> adept is the debul... i'll never use it again
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: yeah, either use force install, or ignore it till they fix the bug...
[04:45] <firewire> wow
[04:45] <Hobbsee> or you can use force overwrite, if you really want
[04:45] <firewire> ipmasq owns
[04:45] <Desh> Ok Trillian is dancing on my screen, how do I make it stop?
[04:45] <jbsnake> yes...
[04:45] <Desh> hahaha Kubuntu works again
[04:45] <jbsnake> force overwrite... not having kde is not an option right now
[04:45] <Desh> How do I close a wine progy?
[04:46] <Desh> omg its getting more violent
[04:46] <Snake__> Desh: open terminal, type "pkill wine"
[04:46] <Desh> thanks
[04:46] <Desh> i love the terminal
[04:47] <Snake__> That did it?
[04:47] <Desh> yeah
[04:47] <Snake__> yay
[04:47] <Snake__> :)
[04:47] <Desh> :) the terminal is all powerful
[04:47] <Desh> all hail the command line
[04:47] <jbsnake> Hobbsee: how do i do a force overwrite?
[04:47] <Snake__> lol
[04:47] <Desh> slap the bish?
[04:47] <jbsnake> cli owns
[04:47] <Desh> lol j/k bad joke
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb
[04:48] <Hobbsee> IIRC
[04:49] <Desh> ok need help,  have the cinelerra DEB pack in my Home folder
[04:49] <Desh> How do Install it
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo dpkg -i pkg.deb
[04:49] <Snake__> Desh: sudo dpkg -i deb.deb
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> replace pkg.deb with the name of the deb file
[04:50] <Desh> ah ok thanks
[04:50] <Snake__> fill in deb with deb name
[04:50] <Snake__> :P
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:50] <Desh> can i rename the deb?
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:50] <Desh> i dun wanna type it all out lol
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> or just press c <tab>
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> (assuming it starts with a c)
[04:50] <Desh> ah ok
[04:50] <Desh> thanks
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[04:51] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: tab completion rocks
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> Totally :)
[04:51] <Desh> :-O
[04:51] <Snake__> Desh: sup?
[04:51] <Desh> I think its working...
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[04:51] <Snake__> lol
[04:51] <jbsnake> good deal... thanks Hobbsee
[04:52] <Desh> its not in the menu :(
[04:52] <Snake__> Desh: it wont be until you restart X
[04:52] <Desh> well why?
[04:52] <Snake__> Bug
[04:52] <Desh> others intall and appear in the menu
[04:52] <Snake__> that KDE STILL hasn't fixed
[04:52] <Desh> pfft evil Kbuntu bugs
[04:52] <Desh> *KDE
[04:52] <Snake__> Desh: its not kubuntu
[04:52] <Snake__> its KDE
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:52] <Desh> yeah fixed it
[04:52] <Desh> lol
[04:52] <Snake__> what other programs show up when you install them?
[04:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: works great, thanks
[04:52] <Desh> umm Gaim
[04:52] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yay!  :)
[04:52] <Desh> Media players
[04:53] <Snake__> Desh: only some will show up, most wont
[04:53] <Desh> like XMMS
[04:53] <Desh> hmm ok
[04:53] <Snake__> ya xmms and gaim are pretty good with it
[04:53] <Snake__> FF too
[04:53] <Desh> restart time!!
[04:53] <Snake__> Desh: ehh
[04:53] <Snake__> ..
[04:53] <frank23> gah. I wanted to ctrl-alt-backspace in vmware and ended up doing it outside vmware
[04:53] <Snake__> *sighs*
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:53] <jbsnake> Hobbsee: so now that i have that over written... i can just run the dist-upgrade?
[04:53] <Snake__> lol
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: does Adept updater show up in your system tray saying it something needs to be updated, even though it doesn't
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: at boot
[04:53] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: yes
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and then about 20 seconds later, disappear?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah, i dont run the updater.
[04:53] <jbsnake> X crashed
[04:54] <Hobbsee> which version of adept are you running anyway?
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it runs itself
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the latest
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: Dapper
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Then you have to burn it, AND wait for it to install. :P
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> bwahahahaha ;)
[04:54] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: yulp
[04:54] <jbsnake> error opening security policy file /etc/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[04:54] <jbsnake> any ideas?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> my mobile's going to charge me more money...
[04:55] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: burning takes 2 mins tho, i dont expect install to take longer than 15, if its as good as the live disk
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:55] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: that live disk was installed in 5 mins (no joke)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: there's a newer version which mornfall has, which you can test, if you like
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just started the install and left it. ;)
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wow
[04:55] <Snake__> Ya
[04:56] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: [20:01]  < Snake__> 2 minutes, 72%
[04:56] <Snake__> [20:02]  < Snake__> kkathman: 3 minutes, 89%
[04:56] <Snake__> [20:02]  < Snake__> :)
[04:56] <Snake__> that was me documenting the install :)
[04:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's very impressive. :)
[04:57] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: pity grub took a crap on me
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[04:59] <jbsnake> is there a known font issue with the new kde 3.5.2?
[04:59] <jbsnake> or do i just need to restart?
[05:00] <Snake__> jbsnake: mines fine
[05:00] <isilzha> hi. whenever the system asks me fo the su pw it fails. the pw i provide is correct. it works in console
[05:00] <isilzha> *for
[05:00] <jbsnake> are you trying to sudo?
[05:01] <jbsnake> Snake__: weird... i wonder what's up
[05:01] <isilzha> i guess the system is
[05:01] <jbsnake> can you show the command you are using... exactly?
[05:01] <isilzha> in console i used "su" to verify
[05:01] <_shane> when I do a modprobe apm I get the error message saying ".../amp.ko:) no such device" but in the directory name there is a apm.ko, I am trying to get a laptops power button to work. can anyone help?
[05:01] <kpaolo> guys how can i do to let yakuake start at bootup??
[05:01] <Snake__> jbsnake: just to quote nalioth : If your living on the cutting edge, expect to do some bleeding
[05:01] <isilzha> for example it happens when i start adept
[05:02] <jbsnake> Snake__: ya... then how can i go back to the way it was?
[05:02] <Snake__> kpaolo: When you turn off your PC keep it open, and it should resume your session unless you set it not to
[05:02] <Snake__> jbsnake: no idea
[05:02] <jbsnake> damnit
[05:02] <kpaolo> doesn't it exist some KDE startup definitons??
[05:03] <kpaolo> something like "M$ msconfig" I mean
[05:03] <yuriy> kpaolo: you can put scripts in ~/.kde/Autostart if you want to add stuff to start at logon
[05:03] <kpaolo> ah!!ok!!
[05:03] <Snake__> kpaolo: not like that, but you can put bash scripts in your ~/./kde/Autosta...
[05:03] <Snake__> damn it
[05:03] <nalioth> jbsnake: what's up?
[05:04] <yuriy> kpaolo: and there is a module in system settings if you want to enable/disable services. but be careful with that!
[05:04] <Desh> evil cinelearra didnt appear in the menu
[05:04] <jbsnake> nalioth: i did a apt-get dist-upgrade.... now kde won't start
[05:05] <nalioth> jbsnake: what exactly does it boot up to?
[05:05] <Desh> How do I mount USB drives, such as my sis's iPod, simply as a portable HD?
[05:05] <Desh> ALl my music is on that thing :(
[05:05] <jbsnake> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[05:06] <jbsnake> refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[05:06] <_shane> Desh: have you tried just pluging it in a looking at the output of 'dmesg'?
[05:06] <Desh> ...
[05:06] <Desh> Look im a noob lol
[05:06] <Desh> Dun make fun of me!!!!!!!!
[05:06] <Desh> Lol j/k no I havnt
[05:06] <Desh> let me try that...
[05:06] <jbsnake> it doens't start x on startup... i start at run level 3
[05:06] <jbsnake> then issue startx
[05:07] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: between the kdm theme and the splash screen I see a greyish blue background, is there a way to change that color?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes, there is.
[05:08] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: is it in the Login Manager?
[05:08] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: under background?
[05:08] <Desh> Omg I cant find the ipod wtf
[05:08] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it could be...someone asked this, found it out, told me, and now i cant remember
[05:08] <Desh> how come my Kaffeine pays videos but XMMS plays laggy ones w/o sound
[05:08] <jbsnake> Desh: missing plugins
[05:08] <nalioth> jbsnake: are you running dapper?
[05:08] <jbsnake> nalioth: yes
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: and what pkgs did you use to upgrade?
[05:09] <Apocs> hi ppl
[05:09] <jbsnake> ooo
[05:09] <jbsnake> umm
[05:09] <jbsnake> the default ones with dapper in place of breezy?
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: you really should be in #ubuntu+1 asking about this (that is the dapper channel)
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: bad idea. join me in #ubuntu+1
[05:09] <Desh> I love Breezy
[05:10] <Desh> omg???
[05:10] <Desh> USB randomly works
[05:10] <Desh> thats...random...
[05:10] <Apocs> does anyone have an idea, when kubuntu dapper is being released?
[05:10] <Desh> never worked before
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Apocs: june
[05:10] <Desh> whats a dapper?
[05:10] <Apocs> tnx
[05:10] <Desh> HAHAHA
[05:10] <Desh> Tribes Time
[05:10] <Desh> :-P
[05:10] <_shane> Desh: the next version
[05:10] <firewire> tribes?
[05:10] <firewire> oww
[05:11] <Desh> Anyone think tribes wil run with standard ati drivers?
[05:11] <Desh> Lol I'm not even gonna try HL2 until I get better ones working
[05:12] <_shane> when I do a modprobe apm I get the error message saying ".../amp.ko:) no such device" but in the directory name there is a apm.ko, I am trying to get a laptops power button to work. can anyone help?
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got it working
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I was right
[05:12] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:12] <jsubl2> _shane, try sudo update-modules
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I just set my kdm theme, my background, and my moodin theme to the same background
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and it looks amazing
[05:14] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you know how to change the look of the KMenu?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> change it how?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> as in, with kbfx or somethign?
[05:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that bar on the side
[05:15] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: panel menu, configure panel
[05:15] <Hobbsee> menus tab, show side image
[05:15] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:16] <Hobbsee> not a problem
[05:16] <Desh> Anyone here run on an ATI card?
[05:16] <fatejudger> Desh: yes
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes
[05:17] <ash211> yes
[05:17] <Desh> Have u tried HL2 / CSS on it?
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> no
[05:17] <Desh> I wonder if they would run with Cedega
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume that by CSS you don't mean cascading style sheets
[05:17] <kpaolo> hei...i'm trying to got XGL anyone can help me??i'm stuck in a thing...
[05:17] <Desh> I mean COunter Strike Source
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> No
[05:17] <Desh> Hmm
[05:18] <Desh> I want to run them
[05:18] <Desh> But WINE wont be enough
[05:18] <kpaolo> how can i create a file : $HOME/.xsession
[05:18] <kpaolo> what's the command?
[05:18] <kpaolo> no??
[05:18] <robotgeek> kpaolo: create it with a standard editor
[05:19] <kpaolo> but..is it in /home?
[05:19] <robotgeek> kpaolo: it's $HOME< which is /home/kapalo
[05:19] <kpaolo> ###/home/.xsession
[05:19] <kpaolo> ah ok
[05:20] <Desh> Ok, so I wanna kep practicing my crapy C++, good compiler/editor?
[05:20] <robotgeek> Desh: gcc, the one and only :)
[05:20] <Desh> I've used M$ Visual Studio and Bloodshed b4
[05:20] <Desh> alright thanks
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> robotgeek: Isn't g++ the C++ compiler?
[05:21] <Desh> i need to learn how to get past crappy windows exe programs
[05:21] <hybrid> CheeseBurgerMan: gcc compiles c__
[05:21] <hybrid> er C++
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, OK
[05:21] <kpaolo> i'm reboot...i hope it's ok....
[05:21] <robotgeek> CheeseBurgerMan: well, gcc will ivoke the appropriate compiler. it even does java (gcj)
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, I stand corrected :)
[05:22] <Desh> Gcc says C in adept
[05:22] <ash211> try kdevelop for an IDE
[05:22] <hybrid> whats an asm compiler?
[05:22] <bimberi> !info g++
[05:22] <ubotu> g++: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.0.1-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[05:22] <Desh> What Im looking for is where I write the code and can compile it and make a proggy
[05:22] <robotgeek> Desh: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:23] <hybrid> robotgeek: +1
[05:23] <bimberi> Desh: yes, build-essential, it will bring in standard libraries as well
[05:23] <robotgeek> Desh: you might also like to install IDE's like kdevelop3
[05:23] <Desh> sweet
[05:24] <Desh> wow i wish other OSs were this well made :)
[05:24] <Desh> Im pissed at ATI for not supporting Linux
[05:24] <hybrid> Desh: your asking too much
[05:24] <Desh> Lol
[05:24] <hybrid> imo linux is the best dev enviroment
[05:24] <robotgeek> Desh: don't buy from ATI next time
[05:24] <Desh> It pisses me off, shitty bands and shitty OS's get all the fame
[05:24] <kpaolo> azz...
[05:25] <kpaolo> it'xgl..but it doesn't work
[05:25] <Desh> Windows = Good Charlotte
[05:25] <me2win> !language
[05:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[05:25] <hybrid> Desh: Linux is for dev and sturdy, OSX for video editing and windows for suicide
[05:25] <hybrid> in my life at least
[05:26] <Desh> Lol I dont like OSX
[05:26] <Desh> its too, user friendly
[05:26] <hybrid> o_0
[05:26] <Desh> Lol
[05:26] <hybrid> its a must for video editting
[05:26] <Desh> Why?
[05:26] <hybrid> i cant use anything else
[05:26] <Desh> I like Adobe Premiere
[05:26] <hybrid> linux has no editting support and windows is horrid
[05:26] <Desh> Its really not the OS tho, just Final Cut Pro
[05:27] <Desh> If linux had Final Cut Pro
[05:27] <hybrid> i am a mere student and use iMovie HD
[05:27] <hybrid> but i want Final CUt
[05:27] <Desh> Hmm
[05:27] <hybrid> Desh: linux will have FCS when OSX runs on the linux kernel
[05:27] <Desh> But I always hear, OSX rocks for video editing, but its not really the OS, justthe software
[05:27] <hybrid> apple makes it
[05:27] <hybrid> so you have to have the os
[05:28] <Desh> right, but still  dont like the OS, the software is nice tho
[05:28] <hybrid> and everything is inter-connected in OSX so it helps
[05:28] <robotgeek> if i wasn't using kubuntu, i would be using OS X
[05:28] <Desh> Meh, I wanna try Cinelerra
[05:28] <hybrid> LOL
[05:28] <hybrid> Desh: have fun
[05:28] <Desh> I dislike Macs cos they suck for games usually :(
[05:28] <Desh> is Cinelerra bad?
[05:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> I haven't used a Mac. :P
[05:28] <hybrid> robotgeek: if i didnt HAVE to have OSX i would run Xubuntu
[05:29] <hybrid> Desh: very, its has roots from gimp film or w/e
[05:29] <robotgeek> hybrid: well, i just like kde too much now :)
[05:29] <hybrid> lol
[05:29] <Desh> Aww
[05:29] <Desh> I want good editing software for Linux :(
[05:29] <hybrid> cold day bro
[05:29] <Desh> I dont wanna have to use wine and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 lol
[05:30] <hybrid> and it will need to support IEEE 1394a/b ootb
[05:30] <_shane> can anyone tell me why if I do a 'modprobe acpi' I get a '...acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device' when the file does exist?
[05:30] <Desh> I have that on the PC..wonder if Kubuntu supports it..
[05:30] <robotgeek> _shane: you probably need to insmod it
[05:31] <_shane> robotgeek: do i just "insmod acpi-cpufreq.ko"?
[05:31] <robotgeek> _shane: the complete path
[05:32] <_shane> robotgeek: ok I will try.
[05:32] <kpaolo> uhm...my XGL hides the tab of all the windows....
[05:32] <robotgeek> !xgl
[05:32] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:32] <robotgeek> kpaolo: too bleeding edge for me
[05:33] <kpaolo> what??
[05:33] <kpaolo> you are not able to make XGL work?
[05:34] <Desh> whats XGL?
[05:34] <Desh> man Im learning Linux, i feel 1337
[05:34] <Desh> Lol (j/k) but i am glad
[05:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[05:34] <Desh> NOw all I need is to learn how to h4xz0r
[05:35] <hybrid> nmap
[05:35] <hybrid> thats all you'll ever need :p
[05:35] <_shane> robotgeek: that gave an error "-1 no such device" do you think I might need to run depmod?
[05:35] <hybrid> lol
[05:35] <robotgeek> _shane: i am actually not sure what you are doing here
[05:37] <Desh> Hmm, is there a misuc editing proggy like Fruity Loops on Linux?
[05:37] <Desh> *music
[05:37] <_shane> I am trying to get the laptop power button to work, but it seems that the acpi modules aren't going according to lsmod, so I tried modprobe to start them up.
[05:37] <hybrid> audacity is the best Desh
[05:37] <Desh> and...how come gcc and g++ arnt on here?
[05:37] <Desh> I ran apt-get like u told me too
[05:38] <hybrid> did it get everything?
[05:38] <hybrid> try cc
[05:38] <hybrid> in the terminal 'cc'
[05:38] <Desh> no input files
[05:39] <Desh> it sais -->   cc: no input files
[05:39] <hybrid> its their
[05:39] <Desh> ah ok
[05:39] <hybrid> err there
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: know why this takes so long?
[05:39] <Desh> so i need to restart for it to appear in the menu?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: Because it updates everything... (My theory)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Desh: install build-essential, for gcc and g++
[05:39] <hybrid> what menu?
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: What takes so long?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: dapper install
[05:39] <Desh> i did
[05:39] <frank23> Desh: did you install kdevelop3?  I just tried it its fine. Start with a hello world template to see how it works
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, nope.
[05:39] <hybrid> Desh: what menu?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: compared to dapper live
[05:39] <Desh> sudo apt-get build-essential
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, Not a clue
[05:40] <Desh> the K menu
[05:40] <hybrid> gcc is cli
[05:40] <Desh> cli?
[05:41] <hybrid> Desh: you write a file that has the code then gcc file.name in the terminal
[05:41] <hybrid> command line interface
[05:41] <robotgeek> !cli
[05:41] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:41] <frank23> Desh: or you can do everything from within kdevelop
[05:41] <Desh> oh ok
[05:41] <Desh> ima get kdevelop :)
[05:41] <hybrid> Desh: yeah i think thats what you want :)
[05:41] <Desh> man u guys are real helpful, thanks
[05:42] <hybrid> Desh: thanks for giving this OS a whirl
[05:42] <Desh> :), i want all 5 kdevelop packages, no?
[05:42] <Desh> As soon as I can get games on here - bye bye windows foreva
[05:43] <hybrid> Desh: cadega
[05:43] <Desh> oh, how come I can like, play a video and have music at the same time? the sound conflicts, i remember this in Win95..
[05:43] <Desh> *can't
[05:44] <lengau> Desh: What players are you using
[05:44] <Desh> I know Cedega, I'll get it as soon as I get decent ATI drivers
[05:44] <Desh> Umm XMMS for audio
[05:44] <Desh> and Kaffeine for video
[05:44] <kpaolo> !xgl
[05:44] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:44] <Desh> XMMS plays videos all laggy and no sound
[05:44] <lengau> what sound systems do you have them set yo?
[05:44] <Desh> i dunno
[05:44] <lengau> *to?
[05:44] <robotgeek> Desh: use amarok dude :)
[05:44] <Desh> i d/l all the plugins i could find on adept
[05:45] <Desh> amarok...ew
[05:45] <Desh> i dun like it :(
[05:45] <Desh> XMMS is more aethetically pleasing
[05:45] <robotgeek> Desh: ah, okay. i just love amarok :)
[05:45] <lengau> okay. I can help with Kaffeine, but I'll have to install XMMS before I can help you tehre.
[05:45] <lengau> I use Amarok, also.
[05:45] <_erofee> does anyone know what i can get a dependancy list for packages?
[05:45] <Desh> well i guess i'll try it
[05:46] <Desh> anyone tried NoteEdit?
[05:46] <kosh> ick xmms!
[05:46] <Desh> or RoseGarden4?
[05:46] <kosh> that thing is almost unreadable
[05:46] <Desh> what is?
[05:46] <kosh> xmms, even at double size it is tiny
[05:47] <lengau> _efoee: from Konsole: aptitude show <package_name>
[05:47] <kosh> that apps default ui is a hard coded pixel size
[05:47] <Desh> On my screen its fine
[05:47] <kosh> Desh: at what rez and what size monitor?
[05:47] <Desh> 15 inch @ 1400 by 1050
[05:48] <kosh> it would be way too small for me on that one
[05:48] <lengau> Wow, and you can SEE the XMMS buttons?
[05:48] <kosh> I prefer amarok
[05:48] <lengau> Me too.
[05:48] <kosh> lengau: at that rez I didn't even know a single pixel was large enough for one of their buttons ;)
[05:48] <kpaolo> how does it install a .package??
[05:48] <kosh> hmm I wonder what a .package file is
[05:48] <Desh> yeah
[05:49] <lengau> Desh: In Kaffeine, what's the second last entry in the Settings menu?
[05:49] <Desh> GStreamer Engine Parameters
[05:49] <lengau> specifically, what engine are you using?
[05:49] <lengau> okay.
[05:49] <Desh> Keffeine plays videos fine
[05:49] <Desh> its the only one that does
[05:50] <robotgeek> Desh, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <kosh> hmm I have had horrible luck with gstreamer
[05:50] <Desh> Bless Kaffeine
[05:50] <kosh> I use xine in everything
[05:50] <lengau> So do I.
[05:50] <kosh> I still have not figuredo out how to get gstreamer to do more then stereo output
[05:50] <kosh> and it has not been very stable for me compared to xine
[05:50] <lengau> What I'm trying to do is get Kaffeine and XMMS to use the same sound server.
[05:50] <_erofee> thanks lengau
[05:50] <Desh> I dont think I use Xine
[05:51] <Desh> :)
[05:51] <lengau> So go into the Gstreamer Engine Parameters.
[05:51] <kosh> well from everything I can find on gstreamer they plan to implement more then stereo sometime in the future
[05:52] <Desh> OK see, my vid has sounf but the music wont play in XMMS cos it says the sound device is busy
[05:52] <_shane> I am trying to setup the acpi system on my laptop,  "modprobe acpi" gives the error "FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device"  but this file does exist, can someone help please?
[05:52] <Desh> *sound
[05:52] <Desh> as soon as I close Kaffeine XMMS will play music
[05:53] <Desh> o_O
[05:53] <Desh> ASLA devine in use...
[05:53] <Desh> *device
[05:53] <lengau> Sorry about that.
[05:53] <kosh> what sound card do you have?
[05:53] <Desh> nvidia
[05:54] <Desh> nvidia something 3
[05:54] <Desh> lol
[05:54] <lengau> What audio driver is Kaffeine using?
[05:54] <Desh> ASLA
[05:55] <lengau> okay. In XMMS, under the Options>Preferences, in the Audio I/O Plugins tab, choose ALSA as your Output plugin.
[05:56] <Desh> oh sweet
[05:56] <Desh> thanks
[05:57] <Desh> hmm i can hear avi's but not see them
[05:57] <Desh> missing plugins = evil
[05:58] <lengau> Sorry. Can't help you there. GStreamer doesn't work on my system.
[05:58] <Desh> k
[05:58] <Desh> Ill try Xine plugins later
[05:58] <Desh> lets see if my Gameboy / Snes emulators work in WINE
[05:59] <Desh> zip is a supported format in Linux?
[05:59] <lengau> Yeah.
[05:59] <kosh> it is supported if you install zip support
[05:59] <lengau> why?
[05:59] <lengau> True. But it is an open format
[05:59] <Desh> ok
[06:00] <Desh> for my emulators
[06:00] <kosh> I just know that zip and unzip are not always installed by default
[06:00] <lengau> sudo aptitude install zip
[06:00] <lengau> if they aren't
[06:00] <lengau> I believe that Ubuntu distros install them.
[06:01] <Desh> ah ok
[06:01] <Desh> yeah i instaled rar support earlier
[06:03] <lengau> Just a quick poll, coz I've been wondering. What does everyone here generally use to compress audio? Ogg Vorbis? FLAC? MP3? AAC? Something else?
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> MP3
[06:03] <Desh> hehehe
[06:03] <Desh> I love the Gimp
[06:03] <kosh> ogg
[06:03] <Desh> Need to learn how to use it well tho, since I used Photoshop
[06:03] <lengau> Desh: GIMP is fun.
[06:03] <Desh> MP3
[06:03] <kosh> I realy like the audio quality compared to mp3
[06:04] <Desh> Well i dont compress my audio, I d/l it as mp3 lol
[06:04] <Desh> :-P
[06:04] <kosh> ick
[06:04] <lengau> Desh: I'm not sure how similar it is to Photoshop, but perhaps you should give Krita a try. I've never used it myself, but quite a few people I know like it.
[06:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: True - I prefer MP3's more universal nature
[06:04] <Desh> I have it
[06:04] <kosh> I would never download mp3 from the internet, the quality is crappy
[06:05] <Desh> really?
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: Yeah, generally - although I personally don't mind crappy quality
[06:05] <Desh> Lol I dont see it
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> hear. ;)
[06:05] <Desh> *hear
[06:05] <Desh> Lol
[06:05] <kosh> I have a nice 7.1 audio setup, mp3 sound really bad
[06:05] <lengau> I personally use Ogg vorbis files. If I ever need to send it to a device that only supports MP3, I change it then.
[06:05] <Desh> Oh well maybe then
[06:05] <kosh> I get some nasty distortion from the sub and from the high end on low quality files
[06:06] <kosh> I use 500kb ogg files
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> lengau: Yeah, but that'll reduce the quality even more
[06:06] <Desh> mp3 is fine for my mp3 player :)
[06:06] <Desh> Krita is awesome
[06:06] <kosh> I don't have a portable player, no need for one :)
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: Overkill for lossless, might as well use WavPack
[06:06] <lengau> YEah, I know, but I prefer Vorbis's Openness/quality.
[06:06] <kosh> http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=4&subcategory=113&product=9306  that is what I have
[06:07] <kosh> CheeseBurgerMan: when I started encoding at quality 10 oggs I did not even know about stuff like flac, at some point I will probably reencode everything to something like flac
[06:07] <kosh> besides ogg is easy to encode, pop in an audio cd in kde and then drag the ogg files off :)
[06:09] <Desh> my 24k quality Rage mp3s pwn all of you =P
[06:09] <lengau> You can do that with FLACs and MP3's also, though.
[06:10] <Desh> Anyone here like Interpol?
[06:11] <lengau> do you mean the police organization or the band?
[06:12] <lengau> :-P
[06:12] <regeya> lol
[06:12] <regeya> pirate all your music in vorbis format and reduce the number of broken laws!
[06:13] <lengau> lol
[06:13] <regeya> vorbis is pretty darn good, I'll give it that
[06:14] <Desh> the band
[06:14] <Desh> i want limewire for linux >_<
[06:14] <Desh> Lime Pro
[06:14] <Snake__> Desh: check out frostwire.com
[06:15] <lengau> Desh: or giFT with the Apollon frontend.
[06:15] <Snake__> Gift setup suxxxxxx
[06:15] <Snake__> gahh
[06:15] <Desh> does frostwire conect to Limewire servers?
[06:15] <lengau> Just start Apollon without setting up giFT. It'll work automagically.
[06:15] <lengau> Frostwire is Limewire.
[06:15] <Snake__> Desh: its all gnutella, frostwire = open source limewire pro
[06:16] <Desh> ah i see
[06:16] <Desh> sweet
[06:16] <Desh> thanks
[06:16] <Desh> ew rpm ew
[06:16] <Desh> I love how Debian/Ubuntu has its own d/l
[06:17] <lengau> I use Apollon with the OpenFT, Gnutella, Fasttrack, and Ares plugins (some from the ubuntu universe/multiverse repos, some compiled by hand)
[06:18] <Desh> can i install a deb by right click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install
[06:18] <Desh> ?
[06:18] <Snake__> Desh: I think that works
[06:18] <lengau> Desh: It does/ I do that sometimes.
[06:19] <lengau> I've hacked that menu item so you can do it with RPMs also (using alien).
[06:21] <Desh> Lol
[06:21] <Desh> wow, i dont think Linux could be easier...
[06:22] <Desh> I thought it was gonna be difficult pssh
[06:22] <ankur> hey
[06:22] <ankur> Desh try installing my wireless cad
[06:22] <ankur> card
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ankur: hehe
[06:22] <Hobbsee> seen !wifi?
[06:22] <Desh> Lol
[06:23] <Desh> I installed my own WiFI card :)
[06:23] <Desh> ndiswrapper
[06:23] <Desh> wats wpa?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> wasnt *too* much of a pain - not after teh first time, anyway :P
[06:23] <Desh> the encryption?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> !wpa
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hey bimberi_
[06:23] <Desh> o_O
[06:23] <Desh> I used ndiswrapper
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Desh: yes, it is
[06:23] <Desh> :P
[06:24] <Hobbsee> wpa is the encrytion
[06:24] <Desh> and WEP
[06:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:24] <Desh> yeah thought so
[06:24] <Desh> my WEP wns your WPA
[06:24] <Desh> *pwns
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ankur: what did you get so far?
[06:24] <bimberi_> hi Hobbsee :)
[06:24] <Desh> !ndiswrapper
[06:24] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:24] <Hobbsee> heh - wpa's safer - keys get regenerated every hour or so
[06:24] <Desh> hmm
[06:24] <Desh> thats cool
[06:24] <Desh> !pwnage
[06:24] <ubotu> it has been said that pwnage is found at http://pwnage.com
[06:25] <Desh> no way!
[06:25] <Desh> LMAO
[06:25] <ankur> Hobbsee:  well my friend found me some linux based drivers for the Broadcom cards
[06:25] <ankur> im gunna try those
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ankur: yep, cool
[06:25] <Desh> :O
[06:25] <Desh> Evil
[06:25] <Desh> I had to use ndiswrapper for my broadcom card
[06:26] <Desh> and every time i reboot i have to use the CLI to start wlan again -_-
[06:26] <Crashoveride> hey gusy I need some help
[06:26] <Desh> With what, sir?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Desh: on dapper?  that shouldnt be happening
[06:27] <Desh> Nah I use Breezy
[06:27] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:27] <Desh> o_O
[06:27] <Desh> !dapper
[06:27] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[06:27] <Desh> hmm
[06:27] <Desh> How can ppl use Dapper..if its not out yet...
[06:27] <Snake__> Desh: DO NOT USE THE LIVE DISK INSTALLER
[06:27] <Snake__> if you go to dapper
[06:27] <Snake__> Desh: beta/alpha releases
[06:27] <Desh> Live Disks are not good for installations duh
[06:27] <bimberi> !flight5
[06:28] <ubotu> I guess flight5 is http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[06:28] <Desh> like KNoppix
[06:28] <ankur> Hobbsee:  if i can get them to work ill be back
[06:28] <Desh> Knoppix was my first intro to Linux lol
[06:28] <Snake__> Desh: no no no no, they are building a installer to combine the 2 disks, right now its havin issues (for me and a few others anyway)
[06:28] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:28] <Desh> OMG every once in a while a screen pops up saying something about my LCD
[06:28] <Snake__> Desh: knoppix is a made to be live OS, when you upgrade it the whole system goes kaboom
[06:28] <Desh> yah i know
[06:29] <Desh> A screen tells me about LCD being on/off
[06:29] <Desh> How do I turn this off?
[06:29] <Snake__> Desh: they are writing a program called expresso for ubuntu live that installs the system using a regular install (like mepis or pclinuxos)
[06:29] <Desh> I thik it has to do with my monitor congfig
[06:29] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:29] <Crashoveride> how can I get root?
[06:29] <Snake__> Crashoveride: sudo?
[06:29] <Desh> sudo?
[06:29] <Desh> :)
[06:29] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: forget pwnage
[06:29] <ubotu> nalioth_zZz: i didn't have anything called 'pwnage'
[06:30] <Crashoveride> lol I did sudo -s and i need a passwrod anyway to get around this?
[06:30] <Snake__> You cant "Get around" sudo
[06:30] <Desh> ur pass at school workstation?
[06:30] <Snake__> you need a password for it
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Desh: there's a new ndiswrapper :D
[06:30] <Desh> How do I get to my monitor's config?
[06:30] <Desh> version?
[06:30] <Desh> I have 1.11
[06:31] <Crashoveride> hmph guess I cant get it then...I need root pass right?>
[06:31] <TubaSoldier> can kubuntu use the same repsoitories as ubuntu?
[06:31] <Snake__> Crashoveride: correct
[06:31] <TubaSoldier> and vice versa?
[06:31] <Snake__> Crashoveride: stopteyin to hack your school :P
[06:31] <frank23> Crashoveride: the sudo pass is the same as the first user
[06:32] <Snake__> TubaSoldier: there is only one repo, kubuntu and ubuntu both pull from it
[06:32] <TubaSoldier> oh. ok
[06:32] <Snake__> and xubuntu
[06:32] <Snake__> and edubuntu
[06:32] <Snake__> :)
[06:32] <Desh> damn u open frostwire
[06:32] <lengau> jsut rewrite su to not ask you for your password.
[06:32] <TubaSoldier> is there DVD playback and mp3 support or does that all have to be hunted down?
[06:32] <nalioth_zZz> !botabuse
[06:32] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:32] <Crashoveride> I dont want to hack honest, Im logged in as my user but I am like 3 weeks ahead of my PHP class and want to install the version so I can run web php files instead of doing everything fron konsole
[06:32] <Desh> i hate when I click an app and it doesnt open -_-
[06:32] <nalioth_zZz> !ircrules
[06:32] <ubotu> you are invited to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcRules
[06:32] <lengau> *the root password
[06:32] <Snake__> ubotu: tell TubaSoldier about restricted formats
[06:33] <TubaSoldier> ok, thanks.
[06:33] <Desh> i have mp3 support...
[06:33] <lengau> TubaSoldier: Google Automatix
[06:33] <Snake__> lengau: if you rewrite sudo it wont help you...
[06:33] <Snake__> you will then just need to su root yourself
[06:33] <Desh> How do I get the message teling me about LCD being off to go away forever?
[06:33] <nalioth_zZz> !automatix
[06:34] <ubotu> automatix is, like, totally, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:34] <frank23> Crashoveride: can't you install ubuntu at home and do everything locally?
[06:34] <Snake__> nalioth_zZz: are you ok??
[06:35] <lengau> Snake_: It's a Geekcode joke, and it's rewrite su, not sudo
[06:35] <Desh> guys, how do i get ot the monitor config?
[06:35] <Snake__> Desh: kcontrol (alt + F2)
[06:35] <Crashoveride> frank23: well I have a linux server running, but I want to be able to work on my stuff at school as well, and I cant do that on with my linux server
[06:35] <Desh> that guves me the run command
[06:36] <lengau> I use Automatix without any problems (although I didn't keep the sources.list file or anything)
[06:36] <Snake__> Desh: type kcontrol and run it
[06:36] <Snake__> lengau: Easy Ubuntu ftw
[06:36] <Desh> oh ok lol
[06:36] <robin> hello, i am having trouble playing movies and mp3's in drake. they only work with vlc plaayer, any one help?
[06:37] <lengau> Snake_: I've used that, too.
[06:37] <Desh> hmm KDE spash vs Kubuntu splash?
[06:38] <_shane> I installed kubuntu on a ext3 partition, will just turning the power off damage it?
[06:38] <Snake__> _shane: why not shut down
[06:39] <_shane> Snake__: just wondering about accedents mainly.
[06:39] <lengau> _shane: It might, if it's writing to the disk at the time it powers off
[06:39] <_shane> lengau: what if its not (at least for a while).
[06:39] <Snake__> if its a accident, what can you do..but just like ntfs or fat, there is a risk involved
[06:39] <darkmatter1> hey, I just got kubuntu up and running and I have 2 questions
[06:40] <Snake__> !ask
[06:40] <Snake__> !+ask
[06:40] <ubotu> ask is, like, totally, just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:40] <darkmatter1> first, on the desktop, it always says that there is an unmounted USB device, which it cant ever find
[06:40] <darkmatter1> is that normal?
[06:40] <Snake__> nope
[06:40] <Snake__> lol
[06:40] <darkmatter1> lol
[06:40] <darkmatter1> kinda random then...
[06:40] <Snake__> unless you have a sata hdd, then i might be able to see why it says that
[06:40] <darkmatter1> although its not hurting the system in any ways I know
[06:41] <darkmatter1> yeah
[06:41] <darkmatter1> its sata
[06:41] <darkmatter1> im dual booting it off a secondary using grub
[06:41] <lengau> _shane: it can normally just replay the journal and get it sort or working.
[06:41] <Snake__> ya thats why, right click it and see how big of a drive it is
[06:41] <darkmatter1> and both the primary and secondary are sata
[06:41] <Snake__> its probly your hdd
[06:41] <darkmatter1> it says 0 bytes
[06:41] <Snake__> what if you access it
[06:41] <Snake__> (open it)
[06:41] <darkmatter1> cant
[06:41] <_shane> lengau: ok.
[06:41] <darkmatter1> it doesnt work
[06:41] <Snake__> odd...
[06:42] <Snake__> I dunno man
[06:42] <Snake__> lol
[06:42] <darkmatter1> and, its not the same device label as my hd
[06:42] <darkmatter1> my hd is hdb according to linux
[06:42] <darkmatter1> its like sdc
[06:42] <Snake__> but I know some times sata shows up as usb
[06:42] <darkmatter1> i think
[06:42] <Snake__> hmm
[06:42] <Snake__> then i have noo idea
[06:42] <darkmatter1> ok
[06:42] <darkmatter1> ohhhh well
[06:42] <darkmatter1> but, this i need to know
[06:42] <Snake__> #2 ?? ?
[06:42] <darkmatter1> I need to get my wifi working
[06:43] <Snake__> !wifi
[06:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:43] <darkmatter1> i have a belkin 802.11 g usb adapter card
[06:43] <Snake__> good luck my man.
[06:43] <darkmatter1> k
[06:52] <Columcille> I'm a new Kubuntu user, just installed the latest release, and I'm wondering how to upgrade from KDE 3.4.3 to KDE 3.5.2? I'm using Adept and added one of the repositories listed as having KDE 3.5.2, and Adept shows packages able to be updated to 3.5.2 but says something about break upgrade when I tell it to upgrade, so I'm assuming I've missed a step somewhere. :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Columcille: it just means that some packages will be removed, as they are no longer in kde 3.5.2  - it should be fine
[06:54] <Columcille> the packages are marked upgradable, but when I tell it to upgrade it gives the break message and won't let me mark more than one at a time for upgrade
[06:55] <cedric> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:55] <cedric> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:55] <cedric> thats my problem when trying to install qtcurve
[06:55] <Snake__> cedric: sudo apt-get install build-esstentials
[06:55] <Snake__> I hope I spelled that right
[06:55] <cedric> what is this package?
[06:56] <Snake__> cedric: has the C compier and a few others you will need to build programs
[06:56] <Snake__> cedric: its "sudo apt-get install build-essentials" (correctly spelled :) )
[06:58] <lengau> Columcille: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[07:00] <lengau> Columcille: sorry. didn't read whole message.
[07:01] <cedric> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:01] <cedric> thats what happen now when i try ./configure
[07:02] <cedric> :S
[07:03] <cedric> any idea whats wrong?
[07:05] <Columcille> still can't get past 'break' packages, it won't let me upgrade a package marked 'break'. Went to the prompt with 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it listed the kde packages I have installed but says "The following packages have been kept back"
[07:05] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[07:05] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[07:05] <Hobbsee> cedric: ^
[07:05] <cedric> listening...
[07:06] <cedric> ok ill try
[07:07] <cedric> wow installing a simple theme looks like a little pain ;) for a newbie
[07:08] <Hobbsee> cedric: which theme, and is it already in ubuntu already?
[07:08] <kakalto> when's dapper coming out?
[07:08] <cedric> qtcurve
[07:08] <Snake__> !dapper
[07:08] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[07:08] <cedric> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:09] <lengau> kakalto: June 1, I believe
[07:09] <Snake__> !qt
[07:09] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[07:09] <kakalto> so are they calling it 6.04 or 6.06?
[07:09] <crimsun> the latter
[07:09] <Snake__> 6.06
[07:09] <kakalto> then they haven't gone completely insane :] 
[07:09] <crimsun> that's only because we went completely insane ages ago.
[07:10] <kakalto> excellent... x] 
[07:10] <kakalto> I see (k)(ed)ubuntu decided to delay, then microsoft followed suit?
[07:10] <Snake__> lol
[07:10] <kakalto> think mac'll tag along too?
[07:10] <kakalto> :P
[07:11] <Snake__> crimsun: ubuntu dapper is a huge jump, wish I could say the same for kubuntu :(
[07:11] <Columcille> so it's true that ubuntu is a trend setter?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> cedric: hmmm...it's not already in the repos
[07:11] <Snake__> Columcille: of course
[07:11] <kakalto> I think we should just organise a global coder's timefreeze for a couple of months
[07:11] <kosh> kubuntu is a pretty big jump, the difference is that they have also provided packages for most of the upgrades
[07:11] <kakalto> give everyone a bit of time :)
[07:12] <kosh> like kde has version 3.5.2 packages on the kubuntu homepage
[07:12] <kosh> that is a major upgrade over the default version in breezy
[07:12] <lengau> Quite
[07:12] <Columcille> which I can't get going hehe
[07:12] <cedric> Hobbsee: no it isnt
[07:12] <cedric> i sure try there before :)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:12] <cedric> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:12] <cedric> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:12] <cedric> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:12] <Snake__> kosh: meh but its not nearly as big a jump as ubuntu was... (But i have been running cutting edge kubuntu...which may be why :) )
[07:12] <cedric> thats where im at right now
[07:12] <Hobbsee> cedric: do you have the link to the qt curve page?
[07:13] <cedric> Hobbsee: no i dont
[07:13] <Hobbsee> install...libqt3-headers
[07:13] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[07:13] <lengau> Columcille: log out, go to terminal 1 (Ctrl_Alt_F1), log in, stop KDM (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop) and upgrade (sudo apt-get upgrade)
[07:13] <cedric> thats many lib installation wish i didnt mess something up
[07:14] <crimsun> Snake__: um, just wait til KDE 4.0
[07:14] <cedric> ibqt3-headers is installed already :S
[07:14] <Hobbsee> cedric: this?  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5065
[07:14] <Hobbsee> oh...hmmm...
[07:15] <Hobbsee> if you install kde-devel, that will work
[07:15] <Hobbsee> but that's a lot of packages
[07:17] <cedric> thats weird that it takes that many package for a theme
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it looks very nice...
[07:19] <kosh> Snake__: kubuntu would have been a large jump if kubuntu had not kept putting out updated packages with all the cool new features
[07:19] <kosh> Snake__: I don't think that ubuntu did that so theirs is a larger jump, however theirs also has more bugs as a result
[07:19] <cedric> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=36953 ... thats what im trying to install
[07:25] <w6bi> So - most of my running services indicate not running in the control panel (even though they really are running).  Got any suggestions?
[07:26] <w6bi> And I can't keep the printer running; lpq reports it going off line when trying to printer (regardless of whether it's hooked up USB or parallel...)
[07:33] <Columcille> still no luck upgrading to kde 3.5.2 :/
[07:33] <lengau> Columcille: Sorry.
[07:34] <lengau> Columcille: I dont' have any more ideas.
[07:34] <Columcille> are there some general guides out there to managing packages in ubuntu? something that goes beyond the very basic details in the user guide?
[07:37] <Columcille> looking for info as basic as why packages would be kept back. google isn't answering me yet. :)
[07:47] <lengau> I'll try to help
[07:47] <lengau> What have you tried so far? Is the KDE 3.5.2 repo in your /etc/apt/soruces.list file?
[07:48] <Columcille> yes, and adept properly shows me the packages that could be upgraded to 3.5.2. When I do apt-get dist-upgrade from the prompt, it lists 68 KDE packages that are upgradable but are held back
[07:49] <lengau> does it give a reason?
[07:49] <Columcille> no hehe
[07:50] <Columcille> I installed the synaptic package manager and tried from that, and it said the reason was all the files depended on the 3.5.2 kdelibs package, but it wouldn't upgrade because it depended on other 3.5.2 packages which themselves depended on 3.5.2....
[07:50] <Columcille> double-checking that now to make sure I didn't overlook something
[07:52] <Desh> if a file is a tgz, can i install it in kubuntu?
[07:52] <Desh> or does it have to be deb?
[07:53] <crowbar> Desh: You can install it, but it won't be integrated into the apt/deb system.  You should try to use a deb file if there is one.
[07:53] <Desh> hmm ok
[07:53] <Desh> and what about a cpkg file?
[07:53] <Desh> same as tgz?
[07:54] <crowbar> Desh: Don't know.  never used a cpkg file but I would assume it should be no problem.  Just make sure you know how to uninstall the packages in case they bork something.
[07:54] <Desh> ah ok, I found a deb tho
[07:54] <lengau> If the tgz file is a binary file, you could possibly use alien to convert it to a deb.
[07:55] <Desh> oh ok
[07:55] <Desh> yay
[07:55] <lengau> What are you trying to get, anyway?
[07:55] <Desh> cedega
[07:55] <Desh> =P
[07:56] <lengau> ahh.
[07:56] <Desh> hmm
[07:56] <Desh> many time
[07:56] <Desh> s
[07:56] <lengau> do they have an RPM?
[07:56] <Desh> i click on a proggy but it doesnt run
[07:56] <Desh> they might
[07:56] <Desh> Like Frostwire doest run when i click it in the menu
[07:56] <Desh> and i tried installing an exe but it never loaded up
[07:57] <lengau> Desh and Columcille: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:57] <Desh> ah ok RO installation is working =)
[07:57] <Desh> whats that?
[07:57] <Columcille> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 68 not upgraded.
[07:58] <Desh> what does that comand do?
[07:58] <Desh> i mean
[07:58] <Desh> what does it install?
[07:58] <lengau> apt-get -f install fixes any broken dependencies
[07:58] <Columcille>        -f, --fix-broken
[07:58] <lengau> yeah.
[07:59] <Desh> oh ok
[07:59] <Desh> thanks
[07:59] <Columcille> here I'm running a fresh install, just loaded kubuntu tonight. I've added a small handfull of packages via adept but haven't fiddled with anything dangerous, yet. :)
[07:59] <Desh> hmmm see i clicked frostwire
[07:59] <Desh> and i see the bounching icon
[07:59] <Desh> but then is disappears
[07:59] <Desh> never loads up
[08:00] <lengau> Columcille: Maybe a two step process is needed. Try changing kde352 to kde35 in sources.list. That'll install KDE 3.5
[08:00] <Desh> what is he trying to do?
[08:00] <Columcille> looks like I can tell kdelibs-bin to upgrade, and it will do so - but will remove all installed kde applications. May try that with the vague hope that I can go back and re-add the others without a problem
[08:00] <Columcille> hmm, I'll try that first hehe
[08:01] <lengau> Columcille: Then log out, restart KDM and log in again. Then upgrade to 3.5.2
[08:01] <Columcille> :-D
[08:01] <Columcille> upgrading to 3.5
[08:01] <Desh> im installing ragnarok online with WinE
[08:01] <Desh> :)
[08:01] <lengau> That's what I did (of course, with a few weeks between 3.5 and 3.5.2, but you know...)
[08:01] <Columcille> trying 3.5 first would not have occured to me, thanks.
[08:01] <lengau> You're welcome.
[08:01] <lengau> is it working?
[08:02] <Columcille> yes, it's upgrading packages now
[08:02] <Columcille> 3.5
[08:02] <Columcille> when done I'll try 3.5.2
[08:03] <lengau> Cool. I'll email the Kubuntu guys and let them know about that if the 3.5.2 upgrade works.
[08:04] <Columcille> I'm coming to kubuntu from gentoo, from a host of other distros in the years before that. Still prefer gentoo for servers, but I wanted to play with some other, simpler options for desktop. Kubuntu impresses me thus far.
[08:06] <Columcille> okay, couldn't go from 3.5.0 to 3.5.2, so I'm doing 3.5.1 hehe, that is working so far. After that I'll try 2 again
[08:08] <lengau> okay. maybe it's something in their server, in which case I'll notify them about that.
[08:09] <Columcille> still didn't work, gave the same error
[08:09] <robotgeek> Columcille: what error
[08:09] <Columcille> using deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[08:10] <Columcille> robotgeek: well, to call it an error is a bit of an overstatement hehe, it's not really telling me anything
[08:10] <Columcille> apt-get dist-upgrade will list the kde packages but will say 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 70 not upgraded.
[08:10] <Columcille> no information given as to why they won't upgrade
[08:10] <Columcille> is there a way to have it give me more info?
[08:10] <robotgeek> Columcille: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:10] <Desh> cmooon
[08:10] <Desh> I hope this works :)
[08:11] <Columcille> robotgeek: erm, that's what I did, as I indicated above
[08:11] <robotgeek> Columcille: hmm, do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:11] <Columcille> well, I didn't say sudo, but I sent it through sudo hehe
[08:12] <lengau> Perhaps try from a differenc server?
[08:12] <Columcille> I asked myself the same thing, it isn't shown as installed via adept, but I'm running a fresh kubuntu install and I'd assume the kubuntu desktop files came with the fresh install
[08:13] <lengau> Yes. it does.
[08:13] <lengau> It automatically uninstalls when you upgrade KDE, though, I believe
[08:13] <Columcille> it was shown as not installed before I did an upgrade
[08:14] <lengau> okay.
[08:14] <lengau> Perhaps try from a different server?
[08:14] <robotgeek> Columcille: you should probably have had it installed before you tried anything
[08:14] <lengau> try deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.2/kubuntu breezy main
[08:14] <robotgeek> Columcille: it's not the mirrors, i'm using the same one as you are
[08:14] <lengau> Where in the world are you?
[08:14] <Desh> amg ok i click the wine app and it doesnt load
[08:15] <lengau> Desh: reboot.
[08:15] <lengau> Or at least log out and log in.
[08:15] <Columcille> that site gives the same response
[08:15] <Desh> oh ok, will do, thanks
[08:16] <lengau> I was using the kubuntu.org server, too when I upgraded.
[08:16] <Columcille> you up'd to 3.5.2? from which version?
[08:16] <lengau> 3.5.1
[08:17] <lengau> Try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:17] <lengau> aptitude usually gives quite good output.
[08:18] <ged> I'm running dapper, and my xine install doesn't understand how to play back any mp3 files....
[08:18] <ged> am I missing a package?
[08:18] <lengau> ged: this channel is still for breezy. try #ubuntu+1.
[08:19] <Columcille> hehe it just says the same thing
[08:19] <ged> k
[08:19] <lengau> hmm...
[08:20] <lengau> xftr
[08:20] <lengau> jjtynjbfr
[08:20] <lengau> dt6i
[08:20] <tubasoldier> lengau what package did you tell me to search for earlier to install lame and other codecs like that?
[08:20] <lengau>  t555555bn
[08:20] <lengau> tubasoldier: lame is just the package lame
[08:22] <kameron> "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.1-ubuntu1) ..." stalls every time. anyone else experiencing this? i'm in dapper.
[08:22] <lengau> kameron: this channel is for breezy. Try #ubuntu+1
[08:22] <kameron> lengau, already did, just thought i'd cover my options. thanks though.
[08:23] <Columcille> ok, I think I'm going to reinstall kubuntu to start fresh, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed (it's now among the packages that won't install hehe) and try from there.
[08:23] <lengau> Okay.
[08:23] <lengau> Columcille: Wait, don't do that yet.
[08:23] <Columcille> other ideas?
[08:24] <lengau> thinking
[08:24] <robotgeek> kameron: try apt-cache clean and try reinstalling
[08:25] <robotgeek> lengau: well, just guessing :)
[08:25] <Columcille> okay, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop fails because of two dependencies: kaddressbook ksysguard. kaddressbook requires libgnokii2
[08:26] <lengau> Columcille: robotgeek's idea for kameron might work for you, too.
[08:26] <lengau> WAIT! I THINK I HAVE IT
[08:26] <robotgeek> Columcille: and why doesn't libgnokii2 install?
[08:26] <robotgeek> ged, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:26] <lengau> Columcille: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:26] <Columcille> robotgeek: it's not finding it in my repositories, trying to hunt down why
[08:27] <lengau> Columcille: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:28] <Columcille> do now hehe, libgnokii2 now installed
[08:29] <lengau> Always some mundane detail
[08:29] <lengau> does it upgrade now?
[08:30] <Columcille> having a problem with ksysguard, says that ksysguard depends on ksysguardd3.5.1 but ksysguardd3.5.2 is to be installed - and yet I've set up my repositories for 3.5.1
[08:31] <Columcille>   ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed
[08:31] <lengau> set your repos for 3.5.2
[08:31] <Columcille> let me clean the cache
[08:32] <Columcille> hey, there we go
[08:32] <Columcille> switched to 3.5.2 now and it is upgrading it all
[08:32] <ged> robotgeek: thanks, through that I indirectly figured out that it was I missing libxine-extracodecs...  I thought because I had xmms working before I should have been okay...  maybe I'll file a bug that amarok should complain if it doesn't want to play a codec
[08:32] <lengau> Why didn't I think of that before?
[08:33] <Columcille> so how are the universe/multiverse sources different from others?
[08:33] <ged> right now it just instantly finishes playback
[08:33] <lengau> There are four official Kubuntu sources.
[08:33] <lengau> the two that are by default enabled are main and restricted.
[08:34] <lengau> main is any free software that is considered stable, and restricted is non-free software
[08:35] <lengau> Universe is basically "testing" and multiverse is anything that's been contributed, iirc
[08:35] <robotgeek> lengau: nope
[08:35] <lengau> then what is it?
[08:35] <robotgeek> !components
[08:35] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[08:36] <lengau> Main and Restriced are the only officially supported repositories.
[08:36] <Columcille> ok update done, restarting x. bbiam
[08:37] <lengau> So Universe is contrib and multiverse is non-free contrib (in debian terms)?
[08:38] <lengau> robotgeek: (I was a debian user before I switched to Kubuntu)
[08:39] <robotgeek> lengau: i don't recall the debian terms, i used it 1.5 years ago
[08:40] <lengau> okay.
[08:43] <Columcille> very nice, all works.
[08:43] <lengau> YAY!!!
[08:43] <Columcille> even kubuntu-desktop is installed now hehe
[08:43] <Columcille> thanks for the help lengau and robotgeek
[08:44] <lengau> you're welcome. sorry it took so long
[08:44] <fatejudger> !wireless
[08:44] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[08:45] <fatejudger> for some reason my wireless doesn't start up at boot
[08:45] <Columcille> psh, that just gave me more chances to learn stuff hehe
[08:46] <lengau> Well, must be going. Hope you like 3.5.2, Columcille!
[08:46] <Columcille> thanks again. :)
[08:46] <lengau> :-)
[08:48] <myndmelder> Evening everyone
[08:50] <fatejudger> !wireless
[08:50] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[08:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[08:54] <Hobbsee> hey again fatejudger
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: for some reason wireless seems very strange in Dapper
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it doesn't autodetect cards
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and bring up wireless connections
[08:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: are the cards supposed to be autodetected, or do you use ndiswrapper?
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: atheros
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: you using network manager kde at all?
[08:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: no
[08:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces to get it working
[08:56] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:56] <Hobbsee> is there an auto (interface) line there?
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yes
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got the card to come up
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but it doesn't properly do dhcp
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yep, does it fully work, once it's up?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I wish that they would have built in the facilities to autodetect cards
[08:57] <Hobbsee> what's the line below auto (interface)?
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I thought they were supposed to, or did they run out of time?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: meet knm
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> when you get dapper :P
[08:58] <Hobbsee> it detects quite nicely
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what does?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> network-manager-kde
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well I have Dapper on my laptop now
[08:58] <_lukasz> hey
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what kind of options do I have?
[08:58] <_lukasz> i have a Question
[08:58] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[08:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:59] <_lukasz> how i can change language in my KDE ? before i have Gnome and than i have ny poish language but now i have only english ... How i can change it ?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it's probably easier to force your wireless to work without knm first.  what does iwconfig and /etc/network/interfaces look like?  can you pastebin them please?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: system settings, regions and accessibility,
[09:00] <_lukasz> please answer me here
[09:01] <_lukasz> ok
[09:01] <_lukasz> but i was there
[09:01] <Hobbsee> country/region & language tab
[09:01] <Hobbsee> add language
[09:01] <_lukasz> and in list i have only english
[09:01] <_lukasz> i done that
[09:01] <_lukasz> but there is onlky english
[09:01] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: add the country that you want first, then do the language?
[09:02] <_lukasz> yes i done that
[09:02] <_lukasz> but in list i still have only english
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ah...
[09:02] <Hobbsee> what language did you want?
[09:03] <_lukasz> polish
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !+info language-pack-pl
[09:04] <ubotu> language-pack-pl: (translation updates for language Polish), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !+info language-pack-kde-pl
[09:04] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-pl: (KDE translation updates for language Polish), section translations, is optional. Version: 20060126 (breezy), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[09:04] <fatejudger_> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/630348
[09:04] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: you may want install both of them, then try again
[09:04] <_lukasz> ok
[09:05] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: auto ath0 is usually above the ath0 parameters, so you might want to swap them
[09:05] <Hobbsee> and i wonder what that script does
[09:07] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: then check iwconfig, to see if your essid shows up, otherwise do a "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid Chiron", until it shows up in iwconfig
[09:07] <_lukasz> IT WORKS !
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: yay!
[09:08] <_lukasz> Hobbsee thx :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: no problems :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: use apt-cache search pl for other interesting localisation packages you may want to install
[09:09] <_lukasz> but how to use it ? :P
[09:09] <_lukasz> i havew linux only few hours ;P
[09:10] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: then sudo apt-get install (packagename)
[09:10] <Xsecrets> anyone know how to find a bad .desktop file?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> better still, use adept, then search for pl
[09:10] <Hobbsee> and click install for any that look useful
[09:10] <_lukasz> but what packagename ?
[09:10] <_lukasz> i dont know what packages are useful ;P
[09:11] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: in adept, it gives you a whole lot of package descriptions
[09:11] <Hobbsee> by those descriptions, you'll see if they're useful
[09:11] <Hobbsee> if in doubt, you can always install ones at random or something :P
[09:11] <_lukasz> but how i know which i of them need ?
[09:11] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the Network Config thing didn't work
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and now keeps crashing
[09:12] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yeah, it never does.  why were you in there?
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: just to test it out
[09:12] <Hobbsee> it stops crashing, when the network works..
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know there's a program for Linux that autodetects these cards now
[09:12] <Hobbsee> oh...hehe...i coulda told you that - i filed a bug on that months ago
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: they must have delayed the implementation in Kubuntu
[09:12] <Hobbsee> there may well be
[09:12] <Hobbsee> do the devs know it exists?
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm sure they do
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it probably took to long to implement
[09:14] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: do you have a link to it?  i've never heard of it
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there are oodles of programs written now for easy autodetection
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I don't have it offhand, do a little googling and I'm sure you'll find it
[09:15] <Hobbsee> true
[09:15] <Hobbsee> if looking for the right thing
[09:17] <heinkel_111> good morning :)
[09:20] <robotgeek> kokurya-kai: hmm, public aways and arrivals :)
[09:24] <_lukasz> :P
[09:24] <_lukasz> i have another question
[09:24] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[09:24] <ubotu> I guess ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[09:25] <_lukasz> o :P
[09:26] <_lukasz> how i can write polish sings ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> sings?
[09:26] <_lukasz> letters
[09:27] <_lukasz> in my kaybord
[09:28] <_lukasz> ??
[09:33] <_lukasz> did somone know ?
[09:43] <simian__> if I insert a picture into Kword and save it, the next time i open the document, the picture would have moved to somewhere in the second page
[09:43] <simian__> is this a known bug or am i missing something
[09:47] <fatejudger> simian__: are you using the new Release Candidate?
[09:47] <simian__> yes rc1
[09:48] <fatejudger> simian__: maybe, go on their bug tracking system and see
[09:48] <fatejudger> simian__: if not, report it as a bug
[09:48] <spiritz> please report it as a bug so it get fixed
[09:49] <simian__> fatejudger: ok will do
[09:50] <fatejudger> simian__: for some reason RC1 does seem a little buggier than beta 2
[09:50] <fatejudger> simian__: if Beta 2 worked for you, you can always downgrade in the meantime
[09:50] <Hobbsee> what's this for?
[09:50] <fatejudger> simian__: it won't hurt anything
[09:50] <Hobbsee> koffice, or soemthing?
[09:50] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: KWord
[09:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: RC1 seems a little flaky
[09:51] <Hobbsee> mm...was a good guess then :)
[09:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: Beta 2 was pretty solid, I'm surprised
[09:51] <Hobbsee> heh - so the opposite of kde 3.5 packages, yep
[09:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well you did see the RC1 thing
[09:51] <Hobbsee> yes, and plenty of thigns could be released at RC1
[09:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but how many Kubuntu packages have been released at RC1
[09:52] <Hobbsee> good point
[09:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that are common
[09:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: anyway, equation editor seems broken
[09:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm kind of pissed
[09:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: guess I'll have to downgrade or something
[09:52] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: meh, I've given up on Equation Editor for Kword
[09:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I just use MS Word
[09:55] <fatejudger> that's the only reason I boot into Windows now
[09:55] <fatejudger> is for Word
[09:55] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:55] <fatejudger> maybe Crossover might work for me
[09:57] <robotgeek> oo equation editor is pretty good, with conversion to latex also
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ssh
[09:57] <ubotu> ssh is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[09:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ;) thanks ubotu
[10:04] <fatejudger> robotgeek: the equation editor for OOo is horrible
[10:04] <fatejudger> robotgeek: no WYSIWYG
[10:06] <robotgeek> fatejudger: it has wysiwyg
[10:07] <fatejudger> robotgeek: where?
[10:08] <robotgeek> fatejudger: you can see the equation when you type it?
[10:10] <fatejudger> lol
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: I meant like you click on the fraction
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: button
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: and then the fraction comes up
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: then you can type in that
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: remembering all of that equation editor shorthand is stupid
[10:10] <fatejudger> robotgeek: and makes copying and pasting difficult
[10:11] <robotgeek> fatejudger: hmm, it worked well for me :)
[10:11] <fatejudger> robotgeek: oh, I see, it's a combo
[10:12] <fatejudger> robotgeek: wtf, it won't resize properly
[10:12] <fatejudger> robotgeek: this is even worse than KWord
[10:12] <fatejudger> anyway, I'm out
[10:12] <fatejudger> I'll cya guys later
[10:21] <[Nige] > anyone know how to get a soundblaster live and kmixer to work properly
[10:21] <[Nige] > ?
[10:21] <[Nige] > if I hit mute on the master volume it only mutes the front speakers
[10:23] <me2win> [Nige] , not sure
[10:23] <[Nige] > hmm okay
[10:23] <[Nige] > i also need to get my multimedia kesy working
[10:24] <[Nige] > they dont seem to work with keytouch :S
[10:24] <me2win> keyboard config is in the system settings
[10:25] <danimo> has anyone noticed that kwin is more crashy on dapper since the 3.5.2 update?
[10:27] <dr3as> hmm, got dependency error when trying to install opera
[10:27] <dr3as> on dapper that is
[10:31] <robotgeek> danimo: it hasn't crashed for me in about 3 days
[10:32] <danimo> ok
[10:33] <rubso> hey guys, do you know how to share my connection to my Xbox 360?
[10:38] <rubso> Hello ?!
[10:39] <robotgeek> rubso: well, i guess no one knows :)
[10:53] <SlicerDicer-> where the hell are the kernel headers?
[10:56] <robotgeek> SlicerDicer-, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:56] <SlicerDicer-> robotgeek: errrm its already on my system
[10:56] <SlicerDicer-> I am just trying to locate the includes
[10:57] <ninniuz> hi have you visited amarok 1.3.9 download pages?
[10:59] <seletz> moin.
[11:03] <s08> hai
[11:17] <Den> Hi - There are Mouse, Wifi & KDE problems with the new kubuntu - can someone here help?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Den: ah yep, i think there's a bug on that in malone, with how to solve it
[11:18] <Den> Hobbsee: ?? So, what do I do?
[11:18] <iGadget> morining
[11:19] <robin> what is skim ?
[11:19] <heinkel_111> Den: which version?
[11:19] <Den> Hobbsee: & there's a bug in _what_?  I mentioned 3 defferent problems
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Den: in the mouse scroll.
[11:19] <Den> heinkel_111: the dev release 5?
[11:20] <heinkel_111> 5.10 = breezy or are you using the development cersion a.k.a dapper?
[11:20] <Den> Hobbsee: well, it's is the speed of the mouse, I haven't gotten to using the scroll yet
[11:20] <Den> heinkel_111: dev
[11:20] <Den> heinkel_111: release 5?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Den: ahhh....
[11:20] <Hobbsee> that was supposed to be fixed, in flight 5, i thought
[11:21] <Den> The mouse takes about 10 passes across the mouse pad to move fully across the scr4een\
[11:21] <Hobbsee> hmm...where's that solution gone?
[11:21] <heinkel_111> what is the offical version number of dapper anyway..i thought that would be 6?
[11:21] <Den> I tried to adjust the acceleration from 2 (default) to 10, but no difference
[11:22] <heinkel_111> any way i am on breezy..no help from me :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ack, where's it gone!
[11:22] <Den> Is this a KDE, or sony vaio, or ubuntu problem?
[11:23] <Den> Hobbsee: ??
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Den: looking for it...
[11:23] <Den> Hobbsee: ok, waiting...
[11:23] <Hobbsee> looks like launchpad search is borked again
[11:24] <Hobbsee> i should be assigned to this bug - i wrote it!
[11:24] <Hobbsee> well, i wrote the bug report!
[11:25] <Den> Hobbsee: Also, regarding the mouse, tapping on the mousepad fails to make a mouseclick - is that something you are asware of also?
[11:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:26] <visik7> anyone here using crossoffice ?
[11:26] <Den> Hobbsee: ok. Are you assigned to that also?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> IIRC, it's in the same bug
[11:26] <Hobbsee> i just cant seem to find it at all, for some reason
[11:27] <Den> Hobbsee: Are the mouse problems bugs in KDE itself, or in Kubuntu's implementation?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> it's in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[11:27] <Hobbsee> solution is to add stuff to a file
[11:27] <Hobbsee> ahh...it might be on the forums, too...
[11:27] <Den> Hobbsee: `is that a configuration issue, or a code issue?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> config, i think
[11:28] <Hobbsee> there's a known fix
[11:28] <Den> Hobbsee: Gotcha.   Are you a kde coder?  A kubuntu configurator?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Den: not yet, i'm a user, and looking to get into that, and i've packaged some of the stuff
[11:29] <Hobbsee> yay!
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Den: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/28648
[11:31] <Den> Hobbsee: I'm lookin at the page.  Is there something I can do to fix this on my laptop?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Den: i'm listed as part of the devel team, too :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Can every body please use the default config and add the following 3 lines to the synpatic section of xorg.conf
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Option "MinSpeed" "1.0"
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Option "MaxSpeed" "1.0"
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Option "AccelFactor" "0.3"
[11:31] <Hobbsee> In some cases this will speed up too much.
[11:31] <Den> Hobbsee: Devel for Kub or Ub?
[11:32] <Hobbsee> or keep scrolling down, for the next fix
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Den: both
[11:32] <Den> Hobbsee: So, should  add those options to some config file on my system?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> yes, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Den: this link, from the bug report, works quite well: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=673281#post673281
[11:33] <Hobbsee> then after you've done it, restart x
[11:36] <kosh> synaptic seciton of xorg.conf?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> kosh: yes
[11:36] <kosh> ah for a touchpad
[11:36] <kosh> I don't have one of those
[11:36] <kosh> and I definitely can't use a default xorg.conf
[11:36] <nico8481> hi
[11:37] <mendred> Tm_t: thr?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> kosh: i get that bug too - so i backup my xorg.conf each time, and copy it, along with sources list, etc
[11:37] <kosh> I don't have that bug
[11:37] <kosh> what I have is a quad monitor setup
[11:37] <kosh> a default xorg.conf won't work at all
[11:38] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, so I read the 2nd page you mentioned.  That's quite longer than th 3 options for min, max & accel you mentioned.  Will changing those 3 options work, or do I need that whole section from the web page?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Den: i'm not sure.  the 3 options worked for me
[11:38] <Hobbsee> and do you have the latest updates?
[11:38] <wincide> hi, first sorry about my english, i only  speak a little bit. I have a problem with kwifimanager... all networks (including mine, without wep encription) seems to be wep encripted
[11:39] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, and what about getting that fixed in the iso?
[11:39] <wincide> and i cannot connecto to any of these
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Den: it's supposedly fixed by the later version
[11:39] <Hobbsee> wincide: you on dapper?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[11:39] <ubotu> hmm... wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:39] <wincide> Hobbsee:  breezy
[11:40] <Hobbsee> wincide: ok, use that ^ guide up there, and configure your wifi via the command line (console), rather than with the gnome config tools
[11:40] <Den> Hobbsee: I just dl'd the iso yesterday, & this problem is there.  The Synaptix touchpad has only 4 options set in /etc/...
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Den: which ISO did you download?
[11:40] <Den> Hobbsee: The latest, I think
[11:40] <wincide> i don't know if its a bug in kwifimanager, but there's no encription
[11:40] <Den> Hobbsee: How can I tell from my running system
[11:40] <Hobbsee> wincide: yeah, it's a bug in kwifimanager
[11:40] <Den> ?
[11:41] <Hobbsee> Den: as to which flight?  dont remember.  run a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:41] <Hobbsee> that'll get you the latest packages
[11:41] <wincide> Hobbsee:  do u know another kde program to manage wifi ?
[11:41] <mescaline> anyone alive?
[11:41] <mescaline> I installed Ubuntu, and i was never asked to set a root password, but i was asked to set another username/password so i added mescaline/******, but i cant login with any of it...
[11:41] <Den> Hobbsee: Can't do that yet, cause of the next bug - wifi won't cconnect - I'll get to that in a minute here.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Den: ah, i thought you were connected with that machine now, via a wired connection
[11:42] <Hobbsee> !tell mescaline about root
[11:42] <Den> Hobbsee: No, 2 machines
[11:42] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[11:42] <Blippe> mescaline, the "root" password is your userpassword, and if that doesn't work you must have borked it at the installation
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Den: let's do the wifi first then - what type of encryption are you using?
[11:44] <mescaline> damn
[11:44] <bimberi> mescaline: boot into recovery mode (which boots to a root shell) and set the password with 'passwd mescaline'
[11:45] <mescaline> hah the username was wrong
[11:46] <mescaline> i was gonna have "mescaline" but i've typed "mescalien"
[11:47] <mescaline> another question, when i boot the screen turns black after initializing, then i have to type ctrl+alt+f1 to get into console, how can i configure so i go to X by default instead?
[11:48] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, I added the 3 lines to Synaptic, and logged out of my kde session.  Do I go to a root console, & do "restartx"?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Den: no, just ctrl + alt + backspace, then login again
[11:50] <Den> Hobbsee: I'd logged out before you sent your msg.  I relogged in - no change.  I do ctrl-alt-bsp, & nothing happens.  What do I do?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Den: hmm...you did save /etc/X11/xorg.conf, didnt you?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> how'd you edit it?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> (exploring the stupidity options, as something's screwed up, and we may as well try the simple stuff first)
[11:51] <Den> Hobbsee: I saved the original as a backup, edited the original & saved it.
[11:51] <Den> Hobbsee: changed the name on the original
[11:51] <Hobbsee> so you used sudo nano, or kdesu kate, or something?
[11:52] <mescaline> When i try to start X i get this message: "Fatal Error: Server is already active for display 0"
[11:52] <Den> Hobbsee: vi
[11:52] <Hobbsee> Den: and the changes are still there now?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> in the file, that is?
[11:53] <Den> Hobbsee: So, crl alt bsp does nothing - how do I restart?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> something's weird about this...
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Den: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:53] <Den> Hobbsee: the changes are  in the file.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> ok, cool
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/x<tab> restart
[11:53] <Hobbsee> try the dkm restart then
 ended up with text org-common? :/
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds right
[11:55] <mescaline> k i did it, should i do startx again?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: what happens if you press 'ctrl+alt+f7'?
[11:56] <mescaline> lemme try
[11:56] <mescaline> comes to the console again
[11:56] <Den> Hobbsee: I did su to root, (I'd already set a root pw up), then did "/etc/init.d/kdm restart", and that killed the X & dropped me to the text (non x) console.  Alt-F7 does nothing - X is dead.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> try startx then?
[11:57] <Den> Hobbsee: er, ctrl-alt-F7
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: and what happens if you `sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart`?
[11:58] <mescaline> command not found
[11:58] <Den> Hobbsee: ok, X is starting, and the mouse moves nice now :)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yay!
[11:58] <Hobbsee> but you shouldnt log into the gui as root
[11:58] <Den> Hobbsee: I log into the gui as user
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Den: not with start x, from a root shell...
[11:59] <Den> Hobbsee: You right.  I just logged out now, & will reloginn
[11:59] <Hobbsee> :) k
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: you want KDE right?
[11:59] <mescaline> Kamping_Kaiser i dunno i just want X :)
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: eright.... what do you want to do with your x?
[12:00] <mescaline> what you mean
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: well it sounds like you did a server install and just installed part of x, or borked a dist-upgrade - is that correct?
[12:01] <mescaline> umm nope.. i installed this: ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: type in either "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" or "sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop"
[12:02] <mescaline> k
[12:02] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, I'm rebooting so I get into a known state.  It looks like those 3 lines fixed the scrolling, though - so 1)  Why didn't my attempt to fix the scrollin from within the kde mouse control work?
[12:03] <mescaline> "ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version"
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Den: dont know, but i have vague ideas.  do you really want to know?
[12:03] <Den> Hobbsee: and 2)  Why wan't this fix in the latest release, & 3) Will the fix get into the next release??
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> mescaline: o_0 ok. can you join #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic and chat with me there?
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> this isnt a Kubuntu question anymore :)
[12:03] <Den> Hobbsee: Yes, short answer please
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Den: it'll get fixed - it's apparently already fixed, in the latest packages
[12:04] <mescaline> Kamping_Kaiser oh ok go to the offtopic channel
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[12:04] <Den> Hobbsee: latest packages means the ones after the last build?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> well, i suspect the mouse section in kcontrol refers to ksynaptics or something, which is a different package
[12:04] <Hobbsee> after the last flight, yes
[12:05] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, & THANKS!!!! for your help :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> do an apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[12:05] <Hobbsee> what version does it say?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[12:06] <Den> Hobbsee: Version: 0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu2
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Den: yeah, the latest upgrade to that package fixes it
[12:07] <Den> Hobbsee: If I had had a net connection on that laptop, would I have been able to do an apt-get update, & have gotten the fix?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Den: yes
[12:09] <Den> Hobbsee: While were on the mouse topic, can we get the double click by tapping on the touchpad to work?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> i thoguht that should fix it
[12:09] <Hobbsee> maybe try some more of the options from that thread
[12:09] <Den> Hobbsee: Or, might it be better to fix the wifi, so I can update?
[12:09] <Hobbsee_away> dishes, back soon
[12:09] <Hobbsee_away> Den: the later, yes
[12:09] <Hobbsee_away> !wifi
[12:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:12] <Den> Hobbsee_away: Please msg to let me know you're back.  BTWE, I have this exact laptop wifi setup running properly under the stable kubuntu (the 5 month old released kubuntu)
[12:14] <nico8481> how do you call the < > characters ?
[12:16] <robin> how can I create a version.h while not having to compile the whole kernel
[12:20] <alessandro_> Hi Can anybody know why I can't read mp3 with amarok but only with xmms?
[12:22] <heinkel_111> i don't know xmms, bui i suppose you are missing some packages that makes amaroK able to read mp3
[12:23] <heinkel_111> I suggest a search on http://www.kubuntuforums.net on "amaroK mp3"
[12:23] <alessandro_> heinkel_111: I think it also but the same problem is also under Kakkeine
[12:23] <Den> Hi - can anyone here help me get wifi setup under the test release of Kub?
[12:23] <alessandro_> heinkel_111: kaffeine sorry
[12:24] <heinkel_111> probably because amaraoK and kaffeine use exactly the same packages to play mp3 :)
[12:24] <heinkel_111> speaking of kaffeine
[12:25] <alessandro_> heinkel_111: I hope... Now I read the forum thanks
[12:25] <heinkel_111> do you use breezy (Kubuntu 5.10?)
[12:26] <heinkel_111> alessandsro: i had same problems myself when i installed about 2 weeks ago
[12:27] <Den> Wifi help, anyone?????
[12:27] <alessandro_> heinkel_111: I use dapper
[12:27] <Hobbsee_away> Den: ping
[12:28] <Den> Hobbsee_away: hey
[12:28] <Den> Hobbsee: I looked over that wifi page, it refers to gnome gui wifi mgr - where's the kde page?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Den: so what's the story with the wireless - do you need to use ndiswrapper for it?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> there isnt one - you need the console section of it
[12:29] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[12:29] <heinkel_111> alessandro_: I use breezy, enogh hacking to get that working.I wouldn't want to wrestle with the development version :P
[12:29] <Den> Hobbsee: I didn't need that for the released Kubuntu
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Den: right, so where is the problem?
[12:29] <Den> Hobbsee: With the release Kub, I don't recall what I had to do to get it workin, but now it just alwas works, iirc.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> want to paste the iwconfig, ifconfig, and /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin, please?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[12:30] <Den> Hobbsee: so, I did the test install with the wifi card installed in pcmcia.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> alessandro_: install libxine-extracodecs
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Den: yep
[12:30] <Den> Hobbsee: I think it found the card when it did the install
[12:30] <Hobbsee> right, yep - are any of the lights flashing on the card at all?
[12:30] <Den> Hobbsee: So, I go to the kde system settings > network settings
[12:31] <Hobbsee> and it crashes, when you hit configure?
[12:31] <Den> Hobbsee: The only led is "on"
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Den: right, good
[12:31] <Hobbsee> want to paste the iwconfig, ifconfig, and /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin, please?
[12:31] <Den> Hobbsee: also, on console, ifconfig shows only l0
[12:31] <Hobbsee> what about iwconfig?
[12:32] <Den> Hobbsee: and, iwconfig, strangely, shows "eth1 no wireless extensions", and "eth0 " has the wifi info - that is reverse of what the released kubuntu shows, iirc
[12:33] <Hobbsee> right, okay
[12:33] <Den> Hobbsee: on the regular kub, iirc, eth0 is the wired port, & eth1 is the wifi port
[12:33] <Hobbsee> what does sudo ifup eth0 do?
[12:34] <Den> Hobbsee: "ifup eth0" (I'm logged in as root on the console) shows "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[12:34] <Hobbsee> okay...
[12:34] <Den> Hobbsee: strange
[12:34] <Hobbsee> is there anything about eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> right, launchpad bug search is BORKED!
[12:36] <Den> Hobbsee:`No, only lo
[12:36] <vicks> ahould i have an akregator icon in my konq sidebar? i have asked for it in #kde and they say i should have one. is it removed in kubuntu?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Den: right
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Den: check you have an "auto eth0" line in your network configs
[12:36] <Hobbsee> vicks: try running akregator first, then you'll get an icon
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: he just did that
[12:36] <Den> Kamping_Kaiser: Where are my "network configs"
[12:36] <Den> ?
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  /etc/network/interfaces
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^
[12:37] <Den> Kamping_Kaiser: Hobbsee Yeah - nothing there.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Den: modify this line, and stick it into that file:
[12:37] <Hobbsee> auto eth0
[12:37] <Hobbsee> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:37] <Hobbsee> make eth0 eth1
[12:37] <Hobbsee> no, wait...lol
[12:37] <mrkev1n> in trying to install Kubuntu and in the installing the base system...i get the message.... "could not download zlib1g"..... any ideas anybody
[12:37] <Hobbsee> add it like that, then try ifup eth0 again
[12:37] <vicks> Hobbsee: thanks, but it didn't work. probably becuase i'm on dapper
[12:38] <Hobbsee> vicks: really?  try running akregator from console
[12:40] <Den> Hobbsee: In the gui kde network settings, I have eth0 & eth1 showing up, eth0 is "Disabled Wi Net Dev".  I click on Admin mode, enter pw, right click on eth0, select config, & it seg faults.  When I click on enable interface, the interface says "enabled" for about 1 second, then changtes back to "disabled"
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yes.  the GUI for it is borked.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> that's why you have to do it via console.
[12:41] <vicks> Hobbsee: are we talking about the same "bar". i'm talking about the one the left hand side when in file-browse mode, that exposes the file-tree amongst other things
[12:41] <Den> Hobbsee: ok, what did you mean "no, wait ... lol"?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Den: i got mixed up between your eth0 and eth1 lines - i copied my wired line, knowing that it would work for your wireless, which i thought was eth1
[12:41] <Hobbsee> then remembered that yours are switched, so it really is your eth0
[12:42] <Den> Hobbsee: So, I do what?  change the line in /etc/net/interfaces to???
[12:42] <Hobbsee> so you can add what i pasted above to your /etc/network/interfaces file, and then do sudo ifup eth0
[12:42] <Hobbsee> add these 2 lines:
[12:42] <Hobbsee> [21:37]  <Hobbsee> auto eth0
[12:42] <Hobbsee> [21:37]  <Hobbsee> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:43] <Hobbsee> just at the bottom, hit enter, and save
[12:43] <Den> Hobbsee: will do - BTW, you say "gui for it is borked" - is that problem known, & is there a fix for the _gui_?
[12:44] <Dr_Doud> hello there
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Den: yes, i filed a bug for it, and no, i dont know what the solution is
[12:44] <Dr_Doud> got a pb : I cannot lock my KDE session anymore
[12:45] <Dr_Doud> it simply doesn't work
[12:45] <Dr_Doud> note that System Settings / Desktop / Screensaver does not work also
[12:46] <mrkev1n> in trying to install Kubuntu and in the installing the base system...i get the message.... "could not download zlib1g"..... any ideas anybody
[12:47] <mrkev1n> i am installing from a CD iso image
[12:48] <Den> Hobbsee: I added the 2 lines, did ifup eth0.     It did a listening, sending, dhcpdiscover... like is often done, but got no response.  Then I noticed the led on the wifi card was off.  I ctrl-C 'd it.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Den: okay...
[12:49] <Hobbsee> i wonder why the light went off...
[12:49] <Den> Hobbsee: Well, not ok! :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> if the light's gone off, i'd try rebooting the machine...
[12:50] <Den> Hobbsee: rebooting...
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Den: okay
[12:51] <Den> Hobbsee: When'd you file the bug on borked wifi gui, & is someone working on it yet?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Den: a couple of months ago, and i'm not sure
[12:51] <Den> Hobbsee: What's the bug # & url?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> bug 30710
[12:52] <Den> Hobbsee: Couple months - that's pretty bad, given a june release date, yes?
[12:52] <Den> Hobbsee: What the bug track url?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> there's a lot of bugs
[12:52] <Hobbsee> looking for it
[12:52] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30710
[12:52] <Hobbsee> launchpad's down for maintence, i think you'll find
[12:58] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, so rebooted, wifi led is on.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Den: good :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> what's ifup eth0 do now?
[12:59] <Den> Hobbsee: Did ifconfig, it shows only lo.  iwconfig whows eth0 wifi info.  Set the essid ok.
[01:00] <Den> Hobbsee: "ifup eth0" > "ifup: ineerface eth0 alerady configured"
[01:00] <Hobbsee> so the essid is set to off/any, or the actual SSID?
[01:00] <Den> Hobbsee: the actual
[01:00] <Hobbsee> good
[01:00] <Hobbsee> ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[01:00] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[01:01] <Den> Hobbsee: down & up: goes down, led goes off, & tries to bring up the interface, repeating dhcpdiscover, failing
[01:02] <Hobbsee> and dhclient eth0?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> i wonder why the led goes off...
[01:02] <_shane> Hi I am setting up an encrypted loop device, when I mount it, it is asking for the password, is there any way I can supply this from a file?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> you might need to /etc/init.d/network restart first
[01:02] <Den> Hobbsee: led off, still, and again dhcpdiscovers failing
[01:03] <mornfall> what's with wlan?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> you might need to /etc/init.d/network restart
[01:03] <mornfall> i just fighted it a bit :] 
[01:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: with Den?
[01:03] <mornfall> nah, with my ipw2200
[01:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[01:03] <mornfall> had to hibernate+dehibernate to get it back running
[01:03] <mornfall> and then it turns out signal is too weak even for dhcp
[01:03] <mornfall> and then it magically started working :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:04] <Den> Hobbsee: There is not /etc/init.d/network  There is a "networking"
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it
[01:05] <Hobbsee> and i have an alias :P
[01:05] <mornfall> with the added benefit of iwoff/ifoff turning off the power on the device
[01:06] <Den> Hobbsee: same as ifup, basically.  no led.  dhcpdiscovers fail.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> crud.
[01:06] <mornfall> Den: weak signal? what are the parameters
[01:06] <Hobbsee> what does iwlist eth0 scan show?
[01:06] <mornfall> Den: does it complain about checksums?
[01:07] <Den> Hobbsee: before I rebooted, I tried "cardctl eject"  "cardctl insert", but it wouldn't bring up the wifi card - it wouldn't install - cardctl ident fialed to show anything.  Could something ther be broken?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> got no idea - dont know what cardctl is...
[01:09] <Den> Hobbsee: iwlist eth0 scan   shows the many wifi aps here - & the led is still off!
[01:09] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[01:09] <Hobbsee> tried physically removign the card, then putting it back in?  or cant you do that?
[01:10] <Den> Hobbsee: cardctl is the program that talks to the pcmcia cards - "cardctl ident" shows details of what pcmcia card is installed, it's id#.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:12] <Den> Hobbsee: Well, re physically removing the card - i usually do cardctl eject, to tell the system to turn off the card, then remove it, do "cardctl insert" to let the system know I'm gonna insert the card, insert it, and usu (iirc) the card comes up (cardctl ident shows the card - taht failed last time here, before I rebooted - wouldn't see the card after reinsert)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm ok
[01:12] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea, sorry
[01:12] <Hobbsee> you've got even more troubles than i did with installing my card, and getting it to work lol - congratulations!
[01:15] <mrkev1n> in trying to install Kubuntu and in the installing the base system...i get the message.... "could not download zlib1g"..... any ideas anybody
[01:16] <Den> Hobbsee: Ok, cardctl eject, removed card, reinserted card, cardctl ident - it sees the card, no led on, ifdown - THE LED COMES ON! - iwconfig shows eht0, I set the essid, ifup eth0, LED GOES OFF - ...
[01:17] <Hobbsee> so it's just the ifup/down that's somehow borked...
[01:17] <Hobbsee> instead of using ifup eth0, i'd try going straight to dhclient eth0
[01:18] <Den> Hobbsee: ifup eth0, led is still off - BUT IT COMES UP!!!!!!!
[01:18] <Hobbsee> nice!
[01:18] <Hobbsee> does it get an IP address as well?
[01:19] <Den> Hobbsee: ITS WORKING!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Den: YAY!
[01:19] <Den> Hobbsee: Fin wierd!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> oh, you should be able to configure it in kcontrol now :P
[01:19] <mornfall> Den: if it's ipw2200 and you don't use the hardware shortcut to turn txpower on/off, you can load ipw2200 with led=1
[01:19] <_shane> how do you send data from a file to a programs stdin ?
[01:19] <mornfall> Den: and the led will work :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:21] <xcorpio> Hola!
[01:22] <xcorpio> Alguien puede ayudarme con la configuracion de un modem
[01:22] <xcorpio> en Ubuntu
[01:22] <xcorpio> ?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Den
[01:23] <Hobbsee> is there anythign else you massively need - i'd kinda like sleep
[01:23] <Den> Hobbsee: ye
[01:23] <Hobbsee> what was the other issue?
[01:24] <Den> Hobbsee: 1 min please :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Den: go quick :P
[01:25] <den2> Hobbsee: & here i am
[01:25] <Den> den2: Hi
[01:25] <Hobbsee> yay
[01:25] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hi den2
[01:25] <den2> Hobbsee: This is strange - the way the eth0 came up
[01:26] <Hobbsee> definetly!
[01:26] <den2> Hobbsee: Can I past the ifup report here?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:26] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - You can install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar
[01:27] <den2> Hobbsee: do you have a minute to look at the ifup on the past url?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yes, paste the URL in here
[01:28] <den2> Hobbsee: it's up there
[01:29] <nuky> hi, i was following the wiki instructions on installing the multimedia codecs.. but i used aptitude and after the initial selecting and unpacking of packages, i get a whole bunch of error when it comes to actually setting up the packages.. http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630554 can anyone help with this? i'm not even sure what those errors mean, i thought it was permissions but aptitude sruns as rot..
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: looking
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: paste in in pls
[01:29] <Hobbsee> weird
[01:29] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks :)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: link is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11085
[01:29] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Meaning?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> but yeah, better to paste the link in
[01:30] <Hobbsee> den2: if someone asks you to paste something, you paste the stuff in, hit send, then copy the link that's in your browser afterwards - there are many different pastebins
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: interesting. can you check if you have a program called "gst-register"
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: looking
[01:31] <den2> Hobbsee: very strange it took 3 dhcpdiscovers, and what are those chown & chmod /etc/resolve.conf errors?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> got no idea
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: run `sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf` and try again
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: do youhave gst-register?
[01:32] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: i have gst-register-0.8, i ran it just now by accident and it said that it added a whole list of plugins..
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: ok, try the installs again now
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: does touching the file make your DHCP work ok?
[01:33] <den2> Hobbsee: Thanks!
[01:33] <Hobbsee> den2: no problems
[01:33] <_ubuntu> help! I installed windows and now my ubuntu grub is gone! The WIKI page for this doesnt work here!
[01:33] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Um, ok, well I'm connected now, so,...
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: 'doesnt work' means what inthis case?
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: so?
[01:34] <_ubuntu> mounting the hard disk failed
[01:34] <den2> Hobbsee: Do you have a minute to assis with if I shouold apt-get update, or anything, to get further patches?
[01:34] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm just trying it now, i have to uninstall to reinstall because aptitude says they are already installed..
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: oh, don't remove them (unless you already have)
[01:35] <_ubuntu> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda7 /hda7 returns mount point hda7 doesnt exist
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: why are you mounting hda7?
[01:35] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: ah, just finished uninstalling.. i tried looking for broken packages and updating but nothing can up.. sorry..
[01:35] <_ubuntu> uuhm its said in the wiki :P
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: can you run dhclient again to check if it has that chown/chmod problem pls?
[01:36] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser:
[01:36] <den2> root@aa:/etc# ll res*
[01:36] <den2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root dhcp 118 2006-03-30 03:29 resolv.conf
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: ah ok thenb. i was going to sugest `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. looks good den2
[01:36] <_ubuntu> wich hard disk should I mount then... I have a c, d and e partition for windows and a swap and ext3 for kubuntu
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines root.root, if thast of intrest
[01:37] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: So, I didn't touch it - that's just what was there after it came up.
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: which partition is a bit up to you - try them one at a time, with `sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/<partition number> /mnt` and see which one works
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: looks fine
[01:37] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Any thoughts about the wifi netwokding  in kde for (is dapper the dev version?)?
[01:38] <_ubuntu> okaz ill try
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't have wifi, so i cant help a lot there i'm afraid
[01:38] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Somethins seriously screwey, i think.
[01:38] <sorush20> guys I'm unable to save anything to my Kontact what can I do could someone please help..
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> is your card supported, or is it an ndiswarapper job den2?
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: what's kontact, and what do you mean 'unable to save' - is tht the error message?
[01:39] <sorush20> Kamping_Kaiser: its the organiser in the KDE ,
[01:39] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser: hda1,hda2,hda3,hda4,hda5,hda6 and hda7 doesnt work..
[01:39] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: I presume it's supported, since I din't do anything with ndiswrapper
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: i see. what do you mean "cant saved"?
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: ok. well tell me what's wrong, but i cant promice anythign
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: how bizare - what error does it give you?
[01:40] <sorush20> let me send you the screenshot..
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[01:40] <_ubuntu> special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[01:41] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: did you see earlier when Hobbsee was guiding me, and said that the KDE gui network stuff was broken, & therre was a bug on it, buth the bug server was down for maintaince?
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: are you using sata or scsi?
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: i'm afraid not - i was reading email at the time :), i just saw a line here or there
[01:41] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser im using a sata disk
[01:41] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: i get exactly the same error that i had before.. then i tried `sudo dpkg --configure -a` but there was any output for that..
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: oooh. it's your only disc?
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: can you look in launchpad for a similar bug?
[01:42] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11086
[01:42] <sorush20> Kamping_Kaiser:
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: looking
[01:42] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser im on a live CD now... do I have to get drivers..
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: i agree - that has to be one of the least usefull errors i have ever seen
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: no, you don't
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: but is the SATA your only drive?
[01:43] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser yes it is
[01:44] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, i'm checking it now..
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: then instead of "hd?", you want "sd?"
[01:44] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser but not my only partition
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should have asked firstr, sorry :$
[01:44] <_ubuntu> so sda1,sda2 enz..
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: thanks. if it's not, can you file a bug on it
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: correct
[01:45] <_ubuntu> well, this seems to be better
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: were you folloowing the wiki page in the !rescuegrub factoid?
[01:46] <mrkev1n> in trying to install Kubuntu and in the installing the base system...i get the message.... "could not download zlib1g"..... any ideas anybody....... I am working off a CD iso image
[01:46] <_ubuntu> i were following the phbc50/howtos/how-to reistall grub
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: i don't think i can help with that - not having use dteh program for 3 years (and then as an email client iirc)
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: ah ok. don't kno wthat one
[01:47] <sorush20> Kamping_Kaiser: don't worry thanks anyways..
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> mrkev1n: can you check the md5sum of your cd is correct?
[01:47] <mrkev1n> OK..I will try that
[01:47] <mrkev1n> thanks KK
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> feel free to ask again if it's not that :)
[01:47] <mrkev1n> ta
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: sorry about that :/
[01:47] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30710
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lookiing den2
[01:48] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: May I ask- what do you do for kubuntu?
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: i used to help out a fiar bit in this channel - now i help out of hobbsee asks me to lend a hand
[01:48] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: That bug is 1.8 monts old  - is someone from Kubuntu working on finding out if it is a kde , or kubuntu bug?
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: let me look at it for a mintue ;)
[01:49] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: are you a kde developer? user? ??
[01:49] <thoreauputic> den2: basically Kamping_Kaiser hangs around and misleads people ;-)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> :D
[01:49] <_ubuntu> Kamping_Kaiser it works!!! Thnx!
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: btw - hello :)
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: i don't use KDE/Kubuntu at all ;)
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi thoreauputic, what are mates for ;)
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ubuntu: awsome :) welll done with it
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: exactly - if you can't mislead a mate, who can you mislead ?
 thoreauputic, a Kubuntu user :P
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: so that's the bug you get?
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: do you have an account on launchpad?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: ah, yes - the gullible Kubuntu user is an easy target
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[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, welcome - and we managed to kill the support requests in one fell swoop
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: wake up :)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> an achievement indeed
[01:53] <thoreauputic> BOFH tactic #1275
[01:54] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Same bug as 30710 I think - kde system settings networking crashes when try to configure the wifi interface, and the enable only enables for 1 second, then goes back to disable.,
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: dialup time limit...
[01:54] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, i have an account on launchpad.
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: bizare - can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file for me?
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: ah ok
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm supposed to get ADSL next month
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: i have a mate who got banned form his ISP because he was 'leet haxoring' them -  he's just your above average UNIX geek :D
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl with the ADSL
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: what did they claim he was doing?
[01:55] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: past here?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: was he using nmap or something?
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: no! pastebin
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: no, mounting the ftp webspace they provide into his FS and using fetchmail - stuff like that
[01:56] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11089
[01:56] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: haha - I guess they don't like people who have brains ;-)
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking den2
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. basicly anyone who isnt your clasic looser doze user (excluding good doze users from that staement)
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: and you have just the one network device?
[02:00] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: sony vaio laptop, wifi card in pcmcia, attatched to base station now, both base station & laptop have wired ethernet, which usu shows up as eth0, & eth1 is wifi, but on this kubuntu install (dev version) the wifi pcmcia is coming up as eth0
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: so your running dapper?
[02:00] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: if dap is the dev version.
[02:01] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: release 5 of test iso, kub
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: can you pastebin 'lspci' as well - i'm trying to get an idea of what network gear is involved
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[02:01] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: there's no bug in Launchpad, and i was about to submit, but i installed mplayer and i can watch .wmv files and listen to .mp3!! i'm not sure if it's still a bug!
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: i think it's a packaging bug, but i don't know if it will survive to the next package update as a bug.
[02:02] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11090
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: weitehr or not mp3s work is a moot point - it didnt work the way it was mean to, so it's a bug ;)
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking
[02:03] <nuky> Kamping_Kaiser: ah i see... i'll submit it then, just in case.. thanks! :)
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: so what if you add eth1 back in?
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: thanks
[02:03] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: So, joking aside, are youy a kde developer? Kubuntu developer?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: joking aside - i use Ubuntu, so Gnome. I do help in here because it's usualy more in need of it.
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> I do have Kubuntu installed in a chroot, i just odn tuse it a lot
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> *don't use it a lot
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb thoreauputic
[02:05] <taneli> where i can get package libvga.so.1
[02:05] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: I'd rather not unnecessarily complicate things at this point - I won't be using eth1 (wired ethernet) only wifi - I'm only concerned that the networking kde control panel get fixed, & want to ensure someone is working actively on that bug, cause it would be very bad to release dapper with that bug.
[02:05] <_shane> does anyone know how to use the '-p' option for losetup?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: can you file a bug/add to a bug with this info (and aything else you think it might need):
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> uname -a, wifi card, ethernet card, description of the problem
[02:07] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, I'll try to do that tomowrow
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: also, KDE version,a nd network tool version if you can
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks den2
[02:07] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: what is "net tool version"?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: the config tool - i don't remember what's it's called (what component of the controll center)
[02:08] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Was it you who suggsted I do "apt get update; apt-get dist-upgrade"?  If so, is it ok/better to use the Adept Package Mgr to do that?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: i didnt, but it *should* make no difference adept/apt-
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> but it's a good idea actualy :)
[02:09] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: How do I find out the version of that control panel thingy?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: what's it called? do
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> *-do
[02:11] <nuky> is there an option for aptitude that's similar to apt-get --simulate? this is really useful sometimes, but i can't figure out an equivalent form in aptitude..
[02:11] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: ??
[02:11] <den2> *-do  ????
[02:12] <Blippe> kdedo ?
[02:12] <Blippe> atp-get?
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> nuky: don't know.
[02:12] <sorush21> guys I have installed evolution and I want it to show in my kde menu what can I do so that it becomes available in my kde menu... ?
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush21: right click on the k and hit edit
[02:13] <sorush21> Kamping_Kaiser: that dosen't help...
[02:14] <sorush21> I think I have to log out and back in again..
[02:14] <sorush21> see you in a bit..
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: let me know what bug you file/add to and i'll cc myself to it so i can see if it goes anyware
[02:18] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: How do I let you know? here in the irc?  what if youyo're not in when Im around? want me to mail you?
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: um. just say my name, and the link to the bug
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> or /msg it to me
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> (whichever)
[02:20] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: what if you're not around?
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: i will be if you file it in the next 4 hours, and i'm willing to idle online
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: or email me if you want - Karl _AT_ itshare _DOT_ org _DOT_ au
[02:22] <den2> Kamping_Kaiser: Probably gott get to sleep, won't file till tomorrow
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:24] <munzir> Hi, in kde 3.5.2 @kubunt there is two arabic language flags in the keyboard layout, why is this? I suppose it's bug, no?
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> munzir: are they the same keyboard layout?
[02:26] <den2> Who are the KDE developers for Kubuntu, & is there a web page for Kubuntu development?
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> den2: try http://launchpad.net/people/Kubuntu
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> (iirc)
[02:28] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday
[02:28] <munzir> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> munzir: sound like a bug then
[02:30] <munzir> Kamping_Kaiser: I have done an update now and noticed one of them disappeared but the one remained is the one with the wrong flag, it's "ara" though it should be "ar" can you confirm this?
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> munzir: no, i don't hvae arabic keyboard setup stuff (i don't have the applet)
[02:59] <exsanet> hai?
[03:02] <whoiam55> Hi guys, I need some help regarding iptables. is it possible to restrict the number of connection on a particular port with iptables. I have a IP Address and I have 110 and 25 port open on this IP Now I want to no one made initiate more than 2 pop/smtp connection within say 5 sec or 10 sec.
[03:08] <phreak97> where do i go to set up keyboard shortcuts?
[03:09] <_shane> I have a usb flash drive it is mounting as 'noexec' how do I change this ?
[03:17] <mhterres> hi guys
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:26] <slow-motion> bbl
[03:29] <mhterres> hey, anybody knows if there openldap 2.3.20 for debian sarge or ubuntu breezy ?
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> apt-cache search OpenLDAP
[03:43] <Nabiki> I am not sure what I pushed, but in KDE my cursor is now a plus sign under a corner looking thing.  like an angle with the point in the upper left corner.
[03:44] <Nabiki> And it will not access anything.  I am having to do everything without the mouse for now.   :/  Any suggestions?
[03:45] <mhterres> k3sp4wn: just openldap 2.2.26
[03:58] <ganymed_> hallo
[03:58] <tRSS> how can I add kubuntu to my existing ubuntu installation
[03:58] <ganymed_> is there a gimp 2.2.10 package for ubuntu?
[03:59] <trappist> tRSS: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <trappist> ganymed_: in dapper, yes
[03:59] <tRSS> which repositories should be used other than the default ones in Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy)?
[03:59] <ganymed_> i mean a backport for breezy
[03:59] <trappist> ganymed_: not that I know of
[04:00] <ganymed_> tRSS: universe, if you like
[04:00] <ganymed_> sh**.. i mean what a shame
[04:00] <tRSS> ganymed: can I get a sample sources.list file for breezy? I have found one for hoary.. but I would like to see one for breezy as well
[04:01] <ganymed_> tRSS: ok, wait, i'll paste mine
[04:01] <ganymed_> trappist: is flight 5 the last beta?
[04:01] <trappist> ganymed_: what I used to do when I ran breezy was add a deb-src item in my sources.list for dapper, so I could apt-get source a dapper package and dpkg-buildpackage it for breezy
[04:01] <trappist> ganymed_: I think so, for now.  I think I heard flight6 was on its way out though.
[04:02] <tRSS> ganymed: thanks alot! :)
[04:02] <ganymed_> trappist: that's clever
[04:03] <ganymed_> the link is: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630755
[04:03] <tRSS> ganymed: link is for me?
[04:03] <ganymed_> but there is more than just the standard stuff. standard + universe + backports + amarok + kde 3.5.1
[04:03] <ganymed_> tRSS: yes
[04:04] <tRSS> ganymed: thanks... let me check and I will get back if I have other questions
[04:04] <brosioz> help, nvtv works only with nv drivers ? or works also with nvidia ? nvtv doesn't recornise my 6600 videocards
[04:04] <ganymed_> trappist: can you give your deb-src line for dapper?
[04:05] <ganymed_> tRSS: np, have a lot of fun
[04:05] <ganymed_> maybe i shouldn't say this. people might think i'm from suse
[04:06] <apokryphos> ganymed_: say what?
[04:06] <ganymed_> never mind :)
[04:07] <apokryphos> ganymed_: not that it's a problem; I use suse mainly too these days.
[04:07] <ganymed_> just a joke. i have started with suse...
[04:08] <ganymed_> i wish they were still independent, though
[04:08] <Tamanoir> Hi
[04:08] <ganymed_> hallo
[04:08] <apokryphos> ganymed_: why?
[04:09] <apokryphos> I think novell's sponshorship is emphatically a *good* thing
[04:09] <Tamanoir> Still my USB headphones problem, but i've found something i think : whe i type "/bin/dmesg | grep usb", i have "USB HID v1.00 Device [C-Media USB Headphone Set  ] " in my list...so i suppose it's recognized but
[04:09] <Tamanoir> Still no sound...
[04:10] <Tamanoir> I doesnt understan, since it seems to be identified by the system...
[04:10] <ganymed_> apokryphos: well, just a big business allergy of mine... has some m$ aftertaste...
[04:11] <trappist> ganymed_: what I have now: deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[04:11] <apokryphos> ganymed_: /j #kubuntu-offtopic :P =)
[04:11] <ganymed_> trappist: can i write all the repos in one line?
[04:11] <trappist> if by repos you mean things like main, restricted, universe, etc., then yes
[04:12] <ganymed_> apokryphos: sorry... didn't wanna bother anybody
[04:12] <ganymed_> thx
[04:12] <ganymed_> thought i need an extra line for each
[04:12] <apokryphos> ganymed_: I'm sure you weren't; that channel is more for other related issues. Join us :)
[04:13] <HymnToLife> jourd'hui encore :p
[04:16] <Tamanoir> Help :(
[04:22] <ganymed_> trappist: thx
[04:23] <brosioz> help, nvtv works only with nv drivers ? or works also with nvidia ? nvtv doesn't recornise my 6600 videocards
[04:26] <ganymed_> trappist: i get an error like dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format:
[04:30] <trappist> ganymed_: when you do what
[04:30] <TheFuzzball> who knows how to install an rmp file?
[04:30] <trappist> TheFuzzball: you mean rpm
[04:30] <TheFuzzball> .rpm
[04:30] <ganymed_> trappist: dpkg-biuldpackage
[04:30] <trappist> you don't
[04:30] <TheFuzzball> I am wanting to install a file called blobwars-1.04-1.src.rpm
[04:31] <ganymed_> TheFuzzball: alien it
[04:31] <trappist> ganymed_: well you have to do it from the right directory (the dir created by apt-get source) and you usually have to run it with sudo
[04:31] <TheFuzzball> kk
[04:33] <TheFuzzball> yay, it worked, thanks a lot
[04:33] <ganymed_> trapppist: that's new to metrappist: where does it put the src files (standard?)?
[04:38] <TheFuzzball> what does adept mean when it says download: 7M, Installation: 272k, does it mean that when its installed it will be smaller?
[04:39] <Kyral> TheFuzzball: what package?
[04:39] <TheFuzzball> its ok, its installed now
[04:39] <mornfall> TheFuzzball: no, but you are upgrading some packages that will take roughly 0 space
[04:39] <trappist> TheFuzzball: not that much smaller.  maybe this is an upgrade, and the upgrade is 272k bigger than what you have installed?
[04:39] <mornfall> TheFuzzball: but you still need to download them
[04:40] <mornfall> TheFuzzball: (since the space is already taken by old version)
[04:40] <TheFuzzball> ahh, you are right
[04:42] <TheFuzzball> though, I don't know how it works, I converted the package blobwars-1.04-1.src.rpm to a .deb file, then installed and then the adept notifier said there was one update, and it was an update of the thing I'd just installed
[04:49] <ep> I'm still confused about this. If I have Breezy and want to stick with it (because it's 'official')  Is it possible to install qt version 4.1.x via apt-get?
[04:50] <ep> I already have qt 4.0 installed.
[04:50] <Kyral> uhh, Riddel?
[04:51] <ep> If not, should I try to build it?
[04:51] <Kyral> You can always build it yourself
[04:51] <pradeepto> ep: I have done that so not much of a issue I guess.
[04:52] <Kyral> Like I needed Automake 1.6 last night (don't ask why)
[04:52] <pradeepto> Kyral: why ? :P
[04:52] <ep> Any pitfalls there? Suggestions.
[04:52] <pradeepto> ep: building is better I think because you can keep your qt3 setup as it is.
[04:52] <Kyral> it was old so it wasn't in the repos. I just went to the site, downloaded the tarball, and did the ./configure && make && sudo make install dance
[04:53] <Kyral> pradeepto: for whatever reason the Makefile.dist for the Serenity Deco wanted it
[04:53] <ep> I don't have to uninstall 4.0 before doing the "sudo make install" step?
[04:53] <pradeepto> ep: just apt-get source for it or better still svn co qt-copy
[04:54] <Kyral> SVN is fun :D
[04:54] <pradeepto> heh heh Kyral
[04:54] <Kyral> I wanna build KDE 4 from SVN :D
[04:54] <pradeepto> ep dude if you already have qt4 then whats the problemos?
[04:55] <zaba> ep: qt4 packages are in universe
[04:55] <pradeepto> Kyral: you mean the kdelibs4_snapshots or kde4 libs from trunk?
[04:55] <Kyral> yanno that SVN script on KDE-Apps?
[04:56] <ep> 4.1 is a fewer problems and even additional functions/methods they added after 4.0  (believe it or not)
[04:56] <pradeepto> ya so?
[04:56] <pradeepto> ep get it from the svn if you want
[04:56] <ep> what is svn?
[04:57] <Kyral> Subversion
[04:57] <pradeepto> KDE Subversion
[04:57] <Kyral> well, SVN means Subversion in general
[04:57] <Kyral> Its a way to manage multiple people working on the same sources
[04:57] <pradeepto> yup apologies, I was trying to be Qt/KDE specific
[04:57] <Kyral> and is the successor to CVS
[04:58] <Kyral> pradeepto: you have "One WM itis" :P
[04:58] <pradeepto> Kyral: I missed that joke/point :(
[04:58] <pradeepto> WM itis == ??
[04:59] <Kyral> I mean you have been using KDE alone so long that you forget about the others :P
[04:59] <pradeepto> aah oke gotcha...
[04:59] <Kyral> can also apply to GNOME, XFCE, Fluxbox, E16, E17, etc etc etc
[04:59] <pradeepto> heh I was just trying to specific to ep's requirements :)
[05:00] <pradeepto> And I am happy running KDE, might think of window maker something on my P1 box if I ever get around it :)
[05:02] <Kyral> mmm
[05:02] <Kyral> this server doesn't even run X :P
[05:03] <pradeepto> thought so when you said doesnot run x
[05:03] <pradeepto> ep:  around?
[05:03] <pradeepto> ep if you can svn then ->
[05:04] <pradeepto> ep svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/qt-copy
[05:04] <Kyral> Hell most of the time it doesn't even have a keyboard/monitor/mouse hooked up to it
[05:05] <pradeepto> ep ^^^^^ do that and wait till it over and then read the README.qt-copy and follow instructions
[05:05] <pradeepto> and you will have your own qt4 build, simple.
[05:06] <pradeepto> Kyral: Offlate I am tempted to move over to screen irssi combo
[05:07] <Kyral> heheh
[05:07] <Kyral> its potent :D
[05:07] <pradeepto> I have a very big advantage actually which others will not appreciate perhaps.
[05:07] <Kyral> It gives terminal junkies TRUE POWER!
[05:08] <pradeepto> you see I have to face power cuts twice a day for 2.5 hours each.
[05:08] <Kyral> ...why?
[05:08] <pradeepto> power shortage or some crap like that.
[05:08] <Kyral> ...and where are you?
[05:08] <pradeepto> and hence hate to miss out on some of the irc discussion.
[05:09] <pradeepto> is a small town called Panvel (near Mumbai - Bombay), India.
[05:09] <Kyral> ah
[05:09] <trumee> guys, i am trying to download the ubuntu repository using the command debmirror -a i386  -e http -h gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  -d dapper /home/me/ub --nosource --progress but it is failing
[05:09] <Kyral> ....
[05:10] <Kyral> you want to download the ENTIRE MIRROR?!
[05:10] <trumee> i get this error [0%]  Getting: dists/dapper/Release... dists/dapper/Release failed 404 Not Found
[05:10] <pradeepto> heh heh
[05:10] <trumee> Yes, i want to write it down to a DVD
[05:10] <ep> thx for the help
[05:10] <Kyral> Dude! Thats like 200 GB!
[05:10] <trumee> ugg! is it
[05:10] <Kyral> yah!
[05:11] <trumee> i can atmost make 3d dvds, what should i get. this is the first time i will be using kubuntu#
[05:11] <pradeepto> you need one of those things I read about on /.
[05:11] <pradeepto> 400 GB dvd or something.
[05:11] <Kyral> lol
[05:11] <trumee> so what should i download?
[05:12] <pradeepto> sort of depends what you want to do exactly, I guess.
[05:12] <piepre> only i386 can't be >20GB??
[05:12] <trumee> i want to have all the important packages, I am short of internet bandwidth at home.
[05:12] <pradeepto> dude just download the dvd then
[05:12] <trumee> and I want kde related packages, along with scientific ones like lyx, gnuplot
[05:13] <trumee> does the dvd contain 3.5.2 kde?
[05:13] <pradeepto> Kyral: wonts that work? the dvd iso download, that about 2gb download.
[05:13] <Kyral> Doesn't have the entire thing
[05:13] <Kyral> it might contain all of Main and Restricted
[05:13] <pradeepto> trumee: you can try the weekly dvd but I am not sure.
[05:14] <Kyral> but no way in hell Universe
[05:14] <pradeepto> heh I should have thought that , shucks!
[05:14] <trumee> so what command should i use to mirror Main and Restricted for i386?
[05:14] <pradeepto> well in that case why dont you just download the dvd?
[05:15] <trumee> debmirror command i mean. somebody told me to use it against wget
[05:15] <piepre> debmirror --nosource -m --passive --host=ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de --method=ftp --root=os/linux/dists/ubuntu --progress --dist=breezy --section=main,multiverse,universe --arch=i386 /var/ftp/os/mirror/Ubuntu/ --ignore-release-gpg works for me :)
[05:15] <pradeepto> hey btw do you want dapper or breezy?
[05:16] <piepre> change breezy to dapper ;)
[05:16] <Kyral> meh anyone know anything about Matrix Multiplication
[05:16] <trumee> ok., i will change to dapper. thanks guys
[05:16] <Kyral> the way my book is explaining it sucks
[05:16] <pradeepto> like what? I knew that ages ago.
[05:17] <Kyral> multiplying two matrices
[05:18] <pradeepto> heh there is even a wikipedia page for that, awesome!
[05:18] <Kyral> thus most math texts don't work too well
[05:19] <pradeepto> http://www.mai.liu.se/~halun/matrix/matrix.html
[05:19] <Fukurou> someone know what "echo" means ?
[05:19] <Fukurou> Like here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=91241&postcount=5
[05:19] <Kyral> in what contenx
[05:19] <pradeepto> this is a bit more visual I think
[05:19] <Kyral> usually it means "print this"
[05:20] <Kyral> like typing echo "hello" on the command line would print "hello"
[05:20] <Kyral> it can be used for more fun things mind you
[05:20] <Kyral> echo "hello" >> hello.txt
[05:20] <trumee> guys, what about packages which are related to dvd playing. where can i get them>
[05:20] <pradeepto> Kyral: check that linky, its really explains matrix multiplication nicely.
[05:21] <Kyral> even better if you are logged into the same computer as someone else
[05:21] <Fukurou> Not sure i understood Kyral...so ont this page, it means i should type this "options snd_intel8x0 index=-2" ?
[05:21] <pradeepto> trumee: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:21] <Kyral> Fukurou: I meant it tells the computer to do it
[05:21] <trumee> pradeepto:cheers
[05:21] <Kyral> echo "Owned!" >> /dev/pts1 :P
[05:22] <Fukurou> so i should type "echo blablabla" ? whats on this page ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=91241&postcount=5
[05:22] <Fukurou> Cause it do nothing
[05:22] <Kyral> it shoudln't
[05:23] <Kyral> if it sends it to a file
[05:23] <Kyral> Oy...read my Terminal For Beginners
[05:23] <Kyral> I explain I/O redirection
[05:23] <Fukurou> Great :/
[05:24] <pradeepto> I love this emoticon :/, reminds me of kio slave.
[05:24] <trumee> why does ubuntu build i386 packages and not i586 packages? isnt there a performance hit?
[05:24] <pradeepto> wot:/ , great:/ etc etc
[05:24] <Kyral> trumee: here is no real difference
[05:25] <Kyral> I mean on a kernel level there MIGHT be (which explains the 686 and K7 kernels)
[05:25] <Kyral> but other wise...
[05:25] <pradeepto> Kyral: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/mtrxmult.htm   <--- visual stuff, muaaaaah to the creator of the page
[05:25] <Kyral> plus if we had a version for every subvarient of x86
[05:25] <Kyral> the Repos would be triple or quadruple in size!
[05:26] <jorik> how do i run a command at a specific time ? i tried "at 9:00" (enter "dcop amarok "play()", followed by ctrl-d) but that doesnt seem to do it
[05:27] <XVampireX> Hi, I installed visualboyadvance package but I can't find it anywhere and even when I try to launch it from konsole it doesn't work
[05:27] <DarkShock> I got this error after my last source update in Dapper: http://kde.pastebin.com/630900
[05:28] <quickquestion> try alt-f2 amd type in visualboyadvance
[05:28] <XVampireX> Doesn't work
[05:28] <quickquestion> gimme a sec
[05:28] <DarkShock> it's VisualBoyAdvance the exec name
[05:29] <XVampireX> Oh, let me try
[05:29] <XVampireX> Yes, thanks.
[05:29] <XVampireX> Yeah, this one doesn't have a GUI :P
[05:30] <DarkShock> XVampireX: well you have KVBA, Kamefu(shameless plug)
[05:30] <DarkShock> but in Kamefu, you must enter the exec at hand (for now)
[05:30] <quickquestion> vba my man
[05:30] <ganymed_> trappist: dpkg-buildpackage says: Unmet build dependencies: ....
[05:30] <XVampireX> Oh? kvba?
[05:30] <quickquestion> in terminal type vba
[05:30] <XVampireX> Where's that?
[05:31] <DarkShock> XVampireX: look at kde-apps
[05:31] <ganymed_> i have dowloaded the src files for all packages
[05:31] <XVampireX> Is it in the repositories?
[05:31] <DarkShock> XVampireX: no
[05:33] <XVampireX> nice website... kde-apps :P
[05:34] <DarkShock> XVampireX: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10033 (KVBA), http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36846 (Kamefu)
[05:35] <xavice> Hey.
[05:39] <Mikes11> hi jemand da ?
[05:40] <Mikes11> hallo ?
[05:47] <Advis> Je suis sous kubuntu, et j'aimerai savoir comment killer un processus usb, plus precisement mon dongle wifi : en effet au bout d'un certain ma connection plante : si je debranche le dongle mon systeme gele entierement, et si je ne le debranche pas le seul moyen de le relancer est de redemarrer. Comment je peux remedier a ce probleme ?
[05:51] <Kyral> !fr
[05:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:51] <Mikes11> Hallo
[05:52] <Mikes11> jemand da ?
[05:52] <Kyral> seriously we should have Ubotu trigger the language tthings itself
[05:52] <Kyral> Mikes11: I don't know your language...
[05:52] <Mikes11> Hallo ?
[05:52] <nico8481> Kyral: that message should be modified ("Allez a" --> "Allez sur")
[05:52] <Kyral> nico8481: I don' know French :P
[05:52] <Kyral> I know C++ better :P
[05:52] <Mikes11> oh okay so i thought this is a german channel..
[05:52] <nico8481> hehe
[05:53] <Mikes11> someone in here who speaks german ?
[05:53] <Kyral> whats the german prefix> lol
[05:53] <Mikes11> what ?
[05:53] <Mikes11> de
[05:53] <Kyral> !de
[05:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[05:53] <jtshaw> !gr
[05:53] <ubotu> it has been said that gr is #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[05:53] <Kyral> :P
[05:54] <Mikes11> i think oh hehe
[05:54] <Mikes11> thank you
[05:54] <Mikes11> bye
[05:54] <simian__> are there any nvidia drivers for dapper that work yet
[05:54] <MacAnthony> I think gr is greek
[05:54] <jtshaw> ya.. your right
[05:54] <jtshaw> my bad
[05:54] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:54] <Kyral> NVidia-Glx has been working fine for me since October in Dapper
[05:54] <MacAnthony> it's all greek to me ;)
[05:55] <simian__> Kyral: oh- i must have got my facts wrong
[05:55] <Mikes11> cu
[05:56] <MacAnthony> maybe this channel should be renamed to #kubuntu-en :)
[05:56] <Kyral> lol
[06:00] <asraniel> hi there, any chance i can change the size of a fat32 partition without losing data? linux or windows, dont care. i want to double boot breezy/dapper. (well, tripple boot with windows.. but who needs that=
[06:06] <lwelyn> mornfall : well you read about my problem ?
[06:06] <mornfall> some particular reason i should?
[06:06] <lwelyn> amu told me to report you mornfall
[06:07] <mornfall> i must have missed the actual report in that case
[06:07] <mornfall> maybe you can repeat?
[06:07] <slow-motion> re
[06:07] <MacAnthony> asraniel: there is a commercial software called partition magic (I've never used it) or parted on linux (used it once - don't remember enough to help directly)
[06:07] <mornfall> <-- too lazy to look for it in backlog
[06:08] <lwelyn> mornfall: if i start adept then the following message appers
[06:08] <lwelyn> Could not find mime type
[06:08] <lwelyn> application/octet-stream
[06:08] <lwelyn> THen it starts normally
[06:09] <simian__> i've jsut followed the kubuntu wiki for installing nvidia drivers. but now when i run glxgears i get this error message
[06:09] <simian__> i'm using dapper by the way
[06:10] <simian__> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:10] <mornfall> lwelyn: known problem, right, will see what can be done
[06:10] <simian__> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:10] <mornfall> lwelyn: thanks for report
[06:10] <lwelyn> no problem.
[06:24] <ganymed_> ciao
[06:25] <_jason_> 123
[06:25] <zoom8112> 123
[06:26] <zoom8112> anyone here?
[06:27] <crowbar> what's up?
[06:28] <zoom8112> its pretty quiet in here
[06:29] <crowbar> I wish there was a way to remove openoffice without removing kubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <nico8481> crowbar: why do you want to keep kubuntu-desktop? it's just a meta-package, it won't remove anything else than openoffice
[06:30] <crowbar> nico8481: If kubuntu-desktop gets updated though, then I won't get the changes.
[06:31] <crowbar> well, I guess I'm already running dapper, it won't matter until the next kubuntu release.
[06:31] <Foodcoman> Morning
[06:31] <nico8481> crowbar: if any of the package "included" in kubuntu-desktop gets upgraded, you will get its upgraded version when you do an apt-get upgrade
[06:32] <zoom8112> hi
[06:32] <nico8481> hi Foodcoman
[06:32] <Foodcoman> Another day in paradise!   =)
[06:32] <crowbar> nico8481: I know that, but if kubuntu-desktop is changed to include a new package it won't be installed.
[06:32] <nico8481> crowbar: nope but you can still add it manually... no big deal
[06:33] <crowbar> yeah, i guess it's worth not having to upgrade openoffice with 100 megs of updates for no reason
[06:33] <nico8481> or you can regularly run "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to check if it wants to intall anything else than openoffice :-)
[06:33] <nico8481> then you ctrl-C
[06:34] <crowbar> hah, sounds like a plan
[06:34] <Foodcoman> As always, Thank you Riddell
[06:35] <zoom8112> who?
[06:36] <Riddell> Foodcoman: you're welcome (whatever it is)
[06:37] <Foodcoman> Riddell: All you hard work!   ;-)
[06:38] <Sergi0> is searching with beagle possible for kde?
[06:38] <Kyral> Kerry!
[06:38] <Kyral> :D :D
[06:38] <Riddell> Foodcoman: thanks :)
[06:39] <Riddell> Sergi0: kerry is in NEW and should be available soon
[06:39] <Kyral> Riddell: it is now :D
[06:39] <Kyral> !info kerry dapper
[06:39] <Kyral> stupid bot
[06:39] <Sergi0> oh great, ill check it out now
[06:39] <Kyral> I installed it yesterday
[06:39] <Kyral> !info kerry
[06:39] <Riddell> Kyral: oh, groovy
[06:40] <Riddell> Sergi0: so there you go
[06:40] <Sergi0> great, its allready running :) whoop
[06:41] <Sergi0> is there an applet for? to put in text direcly in the panel for searching?
[06:42] <Kyral> it sits in the System Tray
[06:42] <Riddell> Sergi0: no, but kio-beagle is in revu
[06:43] <Kyral> I mean I know I have a sh*tload of stuff to index....
[06:43] <Sergi0> oh okay
[06:45] <Kyral> but it should free the memory....
[06:45] <Kyral> does it store the entire index in memory...
[06:49] <asraniel> question. qtparted shows me that i have a sda1 and a sda-1. it tells me that sda-1 is not formated and has a size of 10 GB. not that would be great. but can i trust this information?
[06:51] <sobersabre> hi
[06:52] <sobersabre> is this the place to ask about kde ubuntu packages (im)perfection ?
[06:52] <sobersabre> I mean dapper
[06:53] <Skrot> sobersabre: Probably #ubuntu+1
[06:53] <sobersabre> ok
[06:54] <tRSS> Anyone knows how to install an OS X like dock in kubuntu?
[06:55] <sobersabre> tRSS do you want to use karamba/kdoxer ?
[06:56] <tRSS> sobersaber: I am not sure karamba/kdoxer?
[07:00] <GNU_Style> hello
[07:00] <GNU_Style> are there people here?
[07:00] <jtshaw> sure are
[07:00] <GNU_Style> why so tranquil?
[07:03] <jtshaw> dunno
[07:03] <GNU_Style> you guys running KUBUNTU?
[07:03] <jtshaw> I sure am
[07:03] <tRSS> Anyone knows where I can find the OS X like dock for kubuntu?
[07:03] <_zaba> KSmoothDock
[07:04] <_zaba> for example
[07:05] <_zaba> or KXDocker
[07:06] <GNU_Style> super karamba
[07:06] <GNU_Style> :)
[07:06] <pradeepto> KXDocker rock!
[07:06] <_zaba> i love SuperKaramba!
[07:06] <pradeepto> rocks
[07:07] <_zaba> I want to try KXDocker too
[07:07] <GNU_Style> OS X's Gui Rocks!
[07:08] <_zaba> KXDocker is cool :)
[07:09] <_zaba> but Kicker is better:|
[07:15] <cedric> hi! last night i was trying to install qtcurve from source, after installing several lib and dev repos, i fail at compiling and installing it.... does anyone as a webpage about qtcurve installation?
[07:19] <zaba_> cedric: try googling deb packages
[07:19] <cedric> ok once i get the deb what should i do ? is it installing by itself?
[07:20] <zaba_> deb is a *package*
[07:21] <pradeepto> cedric: sudo dpkg -i <pkgname>
[07:21] <zaba_> it means it will say what it needs so you can install allthe required libraries as DEBs
[07:21] <pradeepto> cedric: that will work if all the dependencies are satified though.
[07:21] <zaba_> there's no qtcurve package in main/universe
[07:21] <pradeepto> *satisfied
[07:22] <cedric> nope no qtcurve package at all
[07:22] <cedric> maybe i need a better sources.list
[07:22] <zaba_> try to google qtcurve .deb package
[07:23] <zaba_> try google: QTCUrve deb
[07:24] <pradeepto> btw oke why laptop battery settings are lost every time I do an dist-upgrade for upgrading KDE? is that normal?
[07:24] <cedric> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29317 could this be a good thing to add in my sources list or it can mess alot
[07:26] <zaba_> cedric: btw what kde are u runnung?
[07:26] <cedric> i just made a fresh install of kubuntu this morning
[07:26] <cedric> its breezy though
[07:27] <zaba_> it meant KDE 3.4.3?
[07:27] <zaba_> means
[07:27] <nuky> hi, i just did a update on aptitude and it updated a whole load of kde programs to 3.5.2, but my machine still runs on 3.5.1! how can upgrade completely to the new kde?
[07:28] <nuky> i think it's dist-upgrade but i'm not entirely sure and don't want to mess anything up!
[07:28] <zaba_> nuky: add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main to repos list
[07:28] <cedric> how can i return my kde version
[07:28] <zaba_> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main"
[07:29] <zaba_> cedric: why you need it?
[07:29] <cedric> well you asked it to me
[07:29] <nuky> zaba, thanks, i'll try htat now!
[07:29] <zaba_> cedric: why you need to do it?
[07:30] <zaba_> QTCurve asks for kde 3.5.1?
[07:30] <cedric> no but you asked me what was my kde version
[07:31] <zaba_> seems that qtcurve can't be run on new kde...
[07:31] <nuky> http://kubuntu.org breezy/main Packages [ERROR] 
[07:31] <nuky>  404 Not Found
[07:31] <cedric> ? really
[07:31] <nuky> zaba_: when i do an update, i get that error..
[07:32] <zaba_> then try "deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.5.2/kubuntu breezy main"
[07:32] <cedric> whats the command line that will return my kde version
[07:32] <zaba_> cedric: yup
[07:33] <zaba_> cedric on Kicker in context menu Help -> about KDE
[07:33] <jjesse> anyone using evolution to connect to an MS exchange server?
[07:33] <zaba_> cedric:why u need commandline?
[07:34] <jtshaw> jjesse: Yes, use the ximian-connector to configure it
[07:34] <zaba_> nuky: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php -- read it
[07:35] <jtshaw> jjesse: I believe you need the evolution-exchange package installed (or something like that) on top of the normal exchange package
[07:35] <nuky> zaba_: thanks, i just found that.. i can't connect to any of those.. but it does say that they may still be updating!
[07:35] <jtshaw> rather, on top of the normal evolution package
[07:35] <jjesse> jtshaw: i selected evolution-excahnge in adept
[07:35] <zaba_> nuke: that's why i sent link to you
[07:36] <jtshaw> jjesse: Once it is installed, bring up a console, run the ximian-connector program and follow the instructions, when your done, start evolution and you should be good to go
[07:36] <zaba_> nuke: i have upgraded my KDE to 3.5.2 yesterday
[07:36] <zaba_> nuky: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[07:36] <zaba_> nuky: oops
[07:36] <zaba_> nuky: i have upgraded my KDE to 3.5.2 yesterday
[07:37] <nuky> zaba_: hehe.. thanks.. i'll keep trying .. should be ok later thanks :)
[07:37] <pradeepto> nuky: I upgraded to kde 3.5.2 yesterday and "it works", really :)
[07:38] <Petecakes> When I try to mount a blank floppy, I get the following error: "mont: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified". What could be the problem?
[07:38] <zaba_> nuky: first mirror is accessible via HTTP
[07:38] <Petecakes> mount, even
[07:40] <nuky> hmmm.. strange.. maybe something in my sources.list, checking...
[07:41] <zaba_> nuky: what happened?
[07:41] <zaba_> nuky: what's strange?
[07:42] <nuky> zaba_: that i get a 404 error through aptitude, but i can access it through http, on my browser..
[07:43] <zaba_> well, i have the same problem
[07:43] <zaba_> nuky: but I have KDE 3.5.2
[07:43] <jjesse> jtshaw: thanks, now i just need to get ibm client access to work and i can be !ms at work :)
[07:44] <osoh> hi all
[07:44] <jjesse> osoh: hello
[07:45] <jtshaw> jjesse: np
[07:47] <cedric> whats the command line or simple way to know my kde version
[07:47] <sobersabre> dpkg -l kdesktop
[07:48] <nuky> zaba_: i'm a little lost, how come you have 3.5.2 then? you can upgrade still?
[07:48] <trappist> cedric: kde-config -v
[07:49] <cedric> KDE: 3.4.3
[07:49] <cedric> is that old
[07:49] <jtshaw> cedric: That is the normal breezy version
[07:51] <cedric> ok, is it recommended to update
[07:52] <zaba_> nuky: mirror was up yesterday, but not today :-Z
[07:53] <pradeepto> cedric: yes
[07:54] <nuky> zaba_: lol but when i do, dpkg -l kdesktop or kde-config -v they both say that i have 3.5.2!!!!
[07:54] <Tonio_> hello
[07:54] <LeeJunFan> If I specify sync on the mountpoint for a floppy I should be safe if people don't unmount the disc before removal shouldn't I?
[07:55] <zaba_> nuky: use adept
[07:55] <zaba_> nuke try use adept
[07:55] <zaba_> :
[07:55] <zaba_> nuky: try use adept
[07:57] <zaba_> nuky: oh, try to restart
[07:58] <nuky> zaba_: ooooooh d'oh!! sorry, i should have thought of that.. !!
[07:58] <cedric> 3.5.2 is a stable version?
[07:58] <zaba_> cedric: of course
[07:58] <zaba_> :-)
[07:59] <cedric> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu ho ok it was just talking aabout 3.5.1 here
[07:59] <cedric> thats why i m asking
[07:59] <zaba_> cedric: corrent unstabile ver is 4
[08:00] <cedric> ok
[08:00] <cedric> then i must get it
[08:00] <zaba_> cedric: 4.0??
[08:01] <pradeepto> cedric: you wont find it
[08:01] <cedric> 3.5.2
[08:01] <cedric> i must get :)
[08:01] <pradeepto> thats oke then
[08:01] <zaba_> cedric: see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[08:01] <zaba_> there's some info
[08:02] <cedric> is it possible to like preorder kubuntu drapper
[08:02] <cedric> not drapper but the new one
[08:02] <pradeepto> pre-order ...muuuaaaahhh!
[08:02] <cedric> guess not :)
[08:02] <zaba_> preORDER????
[08:03] <zaba_> why order?
[08:03] <pradeepto> cedric: you can download dapper drake flight 5
[08:03] <zaba_> flight is unstabile
[08:03] <cedric> ho i know but im much of a newb for testing version
[08:04] <zaba_> i'll download dapper after release
[08:04] <zaba_> (it's)
[08:04] <zaba_> its)
[08:04] <pradeepto> zaba_: somebody needs to use flight so that it becomes "stable"
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> im upgrading to Dapper Flight 5 right now :)
[08:05] <zaba_> i'm using breesy with kde 3.5.2
[08:05] <zaba_> breezy
[08:06] <pradeepto> I downloaded dapper yesterday and this box is gonna have dapper from tomorrow, I guess
[08:07] <cedric> ok sources.list are uplaoded with the url you paste me for jonathan... what should i install to get kde 3.5.2
[08:08] <pradeepto> cedric: type - > sudo apt-get update
[08:08] <cedric> done too :)
[08:08] <pradeepto> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then
[08:09] <cedric> ho packages r now mark as upgradable and thats it :) nothing else to be done?
[08:10] <Isil`Zha> hi. i can't use some keys on my keyboad, which need the use of the right alt key
[08:10] <ciga> hi
[08:11] <Isil`Zha> i tried setting this up in the system setting. unfortunately without any success
[08:11] <zaba_> cedric: u need to uprade all upgradeable packages
[08:11] <cedric> cool then reboot i guess
[08:11] <zaba_> yup
[08:11] <zaba_> and then enjoy new KDE :)
[08:12] <cedric> :)
[08:12] <zaba_> oh it's 10:12..
[08:12] <zaba_> i need to leave...
[08:13] <emanuele> ragazzi cm faccio a fare una condivisione windows
[08:13] <emanuele> ?
[08:14] <AnObfuscator> Is there a KDE equivilent to dvdrip? I hate the look & feel of gtk apps... ;)
[08:14] <emanuele> #kubuntu-it
[08:15] <emanuele> ce nessuno?
[08:16] <frank23> !it
[08:16] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:18] <emanuele> ok thanks ;)
[08:19] <frank23> emanuele: no problem
[08:19] <robotgeek> Sergi0: please turn off public aways
[08:21] <Spudchat> hi guys, when i sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade today i saw a huge amount of packages pertaining to kde to be updated
[08:21] <Spudchat> is there a new release of it?
[08:21] <pradeepto> Spudchat: yes
[08:21] <pradeepto> Spudchat: did you modify your sources.list?
[08:22] <Spudchat> not recently,  but i left the sources from the other kde update in there
[08:22] <pradeepto> Spudchat: and you are running - dapper / breezy ?
[08:22] <Spudchat> breezy
[08:22] <frank23> Spudchat: if you have the kde-lastest repos, maybe kde 3.5.2 was just released there. not sure though...
[08:23] <Spudchat> allright cool, i do have kde 3.5.1, so maybe thats what happened
[08:23] <pradeepto> Spudchat: so now if you want kde 3.5.2 ...http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[08:23] <Spudchat> but the odd part is that they were all held back
[08:23] <cedric> Qt: 3.3.4
[08:23] <cedric> KDE: 3.5.2
[08:23] <cedric> kde-config: 1.0
[08:23] <cedric> wooohooo
[08:23] <pradeepto> cedric: cool
[08:23] <cedric> exept for program cant really see any difference yet
[08:23] <pradeepto> Spudchat: add a line to your sources.list and enjoy shiny new KDE
[08:24] <Spudchat> eheh ok, but which line is the question
[08:24] <pradeepto> cedric: bug fixes are not always visible immediately
[08:24] <pradeepto> Spudchat: hold on
[08:24] <cedric> :) true that
[08:24] <Spudchat> ann hang on, maybe i should see that link
[08:27] <pradeepto> Spudchat: ?
[08:27] <pradeepto> Spudchat: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main
[08:27] <pradeepto> Spudchat: add that line to the end of the sources.list
[08:29] <pradeepto> Spudchat: around?
[08:29] <robotgeek> Sergi0: can you turn off public aways and arrivals?
[08:30] <Sergi0> robotgeek what is the problem whit what i did?
[08:30] <robotgeek> Sergi0: it's irritating, and no one else cares :)
[08:30] <trappist> Sergi0: people on channels you're not actively participating on don't want to see that
[08:31] <Sergi0> yes, i didnt expected it to do that :P
[08:32] <trappist> on busy channels it adds unnecessarily to the scroll.  on slow channels it trips the activity indicator when there's nothing happening.
[08:32] <Spudchat> pradeepto: sorry, i went to smoke, and the ealier post was because maybe i should read that url instead ofe xpecting you to give me the line
[08:32] <pradeepto> so check now I gave the link
[08:32] <trappist> Sergi0: it's probably just configured in your irc client - irc away status is useful, but please do configure your client not announce it publicly.
[08:32] <pradeepto> Spudchat: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main
[08:33] <trappist> s/not announce/not to announce/
[08:33] <Spudchat> pradeepto: thanks a lot
[08:33] <pradeepto> np
[08:34] <Spudchat> woohoo atlantik got an update :)
[08:40] <cedric> good now i just install nvidia driver... but was wu\oundering where should i go to change screen resoltion
[08:41] <frank23> cedric: what version of kde are you using?
[08:42] <cedric> 3.5.2
[08:43] <frank23> cedric: in breezy. There is a problem with that. The menu to change resolution has disappeared in kde 3.5.2   It's because a new menu for that was added to dapper but not to breezy.
[08:43] <cedric> wow
[08:44] <frank23> cedric: it disappeared between kde 3.5.1 and 3.5.2
[08:44] <cedric> i just update to 3.5.2 like 15min ago
[08:44] <cedric> there must be a way via konsole
[08:45] <frank23> cedric: I don't know how to change it in kde 3.5.2  you can try  ctrl-alt-+  and ctrl-alt- -
[08:45] <frank23> cedric: yeah there is probably a way in console to
[08:46] <frank23> cedric: look into   xrandr   for console. I think it changes resolution
[08:47] <cedric> *0   1280 x 1024   ( 322mm x 241mm )  *60 :D great
[08:47] <frank23> cedric: xrandr  to get list of resolutions.    xrandr -s #  to choose one
[08:48] <cedric> do you know any command to return the video driver currently inuse
[08:48] <frank23> cedric: what do you mean?
[08:48] <frank23> like   nv or nvidia?
[08:48] <cedric> like return the video drive i wanna see if my nvidia was correctly installed
[08:49] <cedric> right
[08:49] <frank23> cedric: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf    the "Driver" section tells you which driver is used
[08:49] <frank23> glxinfo | grep direct    tells you if 3d is working
[08:50] <frank23> Direct Rendering: yes  means 3d accelration works
[08:50] <cedric> cool everything is fine guess im getting better now :)
[08:50] <michael> so habs geschafft kubuntu ist installiert..
[08:51] <robotgeek> !de
[08:51] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[08:51] <Kopmon> hello, i'm new in kubuntu and in linux in general, and i've lost my root password, could anyone explain me how to recover it? thank you.
[08:52] <frank23> Kopmon: there is not root password. do you mean your user password?
[08:52] <Kopmon> there is no root password?
[08:52] <frank23> !sudo
[08:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[08:52] <Kopmon> then i can't log in as root
[08:52] <frank23> Kopmon: you use sudo instead   or sudo su   to get a root shell
[08:53] <Kopmon> ok, thank you
[08:53] <Sergi0> Kopman if u want a root account acces, try 'sudo passwd root' en enter the passwd
[08:53] <Kopmon> :)
[08:53] <MacAnthony> didnt know the sudo su trick frank23
[08:54] <frank23> MacAnthony: yeah ;)
[08:54] <MacAnthony> that's cool - gotten by with out it thus far though :)
[08:55] <LeeJunFan> sudo -s or sudo -i will get you root shell, the -s will preserve environment vars.
[08:59] <MacAnthony> is the no root account a ubuntu thing or a debian thing?
[09:00] <cedric> think its ubuntu
[09:00] <frank23> MacAnthony: not many distros use sudo which is why many users are puzzled that the installer doesn't ask for a root password
[09:02] <MacAnthony> I knew some people that don't like ubuntu because of the lack of a root account
[09:02] <MacAnthony> can we call it *buntu to reference all *buntu distros? :)
[09:03] <cedric> all distro as ubuntu in it lets call it ubuntu ;)
[09:04] <knill> is kdevelop in kubuntu?
[09:05] <MacAnthony> I have never actually used ubuntu but I have a machine with edubuntu and one with kubuntu - wasn't sure what to refence them as a distro group as a whole
[09:05] <kaarlo> Hi! Can someone tell me how to install the make utility for kubuntu? I need to compile something.
[09:06] <cedric> i never tried edubuntu
[09:06] <MacAnthony> I have it on my son's machine
[09:06] <MacAnthony> works great for him
[09:06] <pradeepto> MacAnthony: yo!
[09:06] <MacAnthony> hey pradeepto :)
[09:06] <cedric> does it use kde or gnome?
[09:07] <MacAnthony> gnome
[09:07] <MacAnthony> which I don't prefer, but he has no preference.. yet
[09:07] <pradeepto> heh!
[09:07] <MacAnthony> it's his first computer
[09:08] <cedric> ho thats great first time and on linux ;)
[09:08] <MacAnthony> I tried to get him into programming by showing him kturtle :)
[09:09] <pradeepto> MacAnthony: you can install kubuntu on his box and then install the edutainment pkg :)
[09:10] <MacAnthony> pradeepto: I didn't know that at the time
[09:10] <cedric> i should use kturtle lol
[09:10] <nuky> does anyone get a double google search bar in konqueror after updating to kde 3.5.2? like this: http://www.learningspirit.co.uk/double_google.png
[09:10] <Spudchat> hi, im enjoyin kde 3.5.2 but does anyone else have two google searches now in konqueror?
[09:10] <nuky> and there doesn't seem to be an option to remove it either!
[09:10] <cedric> nuky i do
[09:10] <Spudchat> lol
[09:10] <Spudchat> me too
[09:11] <nuky> lol,  does anyone know how to get rid of it?
[09:11] <kaarlo> Nevermind, there is package called make...
[09:11] <Spudchat> maybe the second one can be changed into a different one
[09:11] <Spudchat> different search that is
[09:11] <cedric> i installed 3.5.2 like 15min ago, found that screen resolution is gone and double google bar in konqueror
[09:11] <nuky> Spudchat: i tried that through settings and googling and checking the new features for 3.5.2 in the changelog but no mention of it..
[09:12] <Spudchat> i installed it just a little bit ago, but the resolution stayed the same
[09:12] <cedric> yeah same resolution but try to change it
[09:12] <Spudchat> eheh i dont want to :)
[09:12] <cedric> good then ":)
[09:13] <cedric> spudchat have you ever tried to install qtcurve
[09:13] <Spudchat> cedric nope
[09:13] <cedric> ok
[09:14] <MacAnthony> Im still not convinced you sleep pradeepto
[09:15] <pradeepto> heh
[09:15] <nuky> hmmm, i don't seem to be able to configure konsole after the upgrade either!
[09:16] <cedric> nuky let me try
[09:17] <cedric> true i cant
[09:17] <cedric> kcm_konsole.la not found in path
[09:17] <asraniel> wow this dapper installation takes long...
[09:17] <nuky> says something about orphaned packages.. but i think after an update when the mirrors are back up, should fix that, hopefully!
[09:17] <cedric> my mirror was ok
[09:18] <cedric> i got the same error
[09:18] <MacAnthony> maybe I should be glad I didnt install 3.5.2
[09:18] <nuky> cedric: oh.. :(
[09:18] <pradeepto> MacAnthony: why so?
[09:19] <MacAnthony> Every one seems to have various little issues
[09:19] <MacAnthony> just going off the comments I've been hearing here
[09:20] <cedric> nuky do you know abotu orphaned packages ?
[09:21] <nuky> cedric: not a lot, but a while back i used a package called deporphan, that removed orphaned packages from your system.. i'm wandering if it might be aof any help here..
[09:22] <cedric> can you post a screenshot about the error msg somewhere
[09:22] <noteventime> I have rendered some stuff in blenderm, I want to add them togeather and add some text
[09:23] <noteventime> What software should I use
[09:23] <noteventime> I've tried cinelerra and kino
[09:23] <noteventime> None of them were able to handle AVIs
[09:25] <cedric> The specified library konsole could not be found, The diagnostic is: Library files for "kcm_konsole.la" not found in path...An error occured during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module, You have old third party modules lying around
[09:25] <cedric> is that your error msg nuky?
[09:26] <nuky> cedric: this is a screenshot of the error message when i try to configure configure konsole: http://www.learningspirit.co.uk/konsole_error.png
[09:27] <nuky> cedric: yeah, that's my error too
[09:27] <asraniel> could it be.. that dapper flight 5 downloads all updates from the internet at installation? its installing since 40 minutes now...
[09:27] <cedric> ok
[09:27] <cedric> exactly mine
[09:28] <cedric> lets put our brains together and find a way to fix that
[09:28] <nuky> hehe.. i'm still trying to get a mirror working, cos my upgrade isn't completing..
[09:28] <ljl> any known regressions from kde 3.5.1 in the new 3.5.2 packages?
[09:29] <cedric> ljl.... if you only knew ;)
[09:29] <ljl> =)
[09:30] <spiritz> ljl : yes, there is no more the very cool "file overwright gui"
[09:30] <ljl> spiritz: uh?
[09:31] <spiritz> ljl; on previous kde version, doing copy&past of the same file in the same dir would popup some kind of gui. Now this gui has disapeard and has became a "error, file already exists"
[09:32] <ljl> that doesn't sound too good, as you'd then have to copy, then rename the original file (and assume the copy&paste would still work), then paste
[09:32] <cedric> spirit cant change screen resolution from menu... two google bar search in konqueror... and thishttp://www.learningspirit.co.uk/konsole_error.png
[09:32] <spiritz> yep
[09:33] <asraniel> woho, new splash screen in dapper ... ;-) lets see what else is new
[09:33] <spiritz> I saw someone posted a menuservice do to that on kdeapss
[09:33] <trappist> spiritz: did you file a bug on that?
[09:33] <spiritz> asraniel: screen shot somewhere?
[09:34] <cedric> nuky any thing found?
[09:34] <spiritz> trappist: actually since kde .2 is out since about a week, lot of people must have noticed that before I did
[09:34] <ljl> well i guess i will keep 3.5.1 for a few more days at least... 3.5.2 doesn't sound like it's got that many cool new features anyway
[09:34] <spiritz> trappist: so the answer is no; I should check tough
[09:34] <trappist> spiritz: don't assume that.  it'd be great if you'd file a bug on launchpad
[09:35] <nuky> cedric: nope, i'm trying to clean out packages using apt-get/cache but nothing's working
[09:36] <spiritz> ljl : since it's a "bug fixing" release, it's pretty obvious :)
[09:36] <spiritz> trappist: I'll have a look
[09:36] <trappist> spiritz: according to the 3.5.2 changelog it looks like they didn't mean to do that
[09:37] <ljl> spiritz: yeah but at long as i still suspect that it might have *added* a few bugs, i won't rush to install it, especially given that the *current* bugs are not too bad for me
[09:37] <cedric> sudo reboot
[09:37] <cedric> doh
[09:37] <spiritz> ljl : some very nasty bugs  have been removed. And now konqueror is way faster.
[09:37] <trappist> cedric: don't forget to enter your password!
[09:38] <petros> hi
[09:38] <spiritz> ljl : you've never experienced the bug that would lead OOO to freeze when copy&pasting from konqueror?
[09:38] <petros> is there a howto for upgrading from breezy to dapper?
[09:38] <trappist> !upgrade
[09:38] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[09:38] <ljl> spiritz: i don't have OOo. on the other hand i'm quite interested in a both less buggy and faster konqueror
[09:38] <ljl> konqueror crashes on me a bit more often than i'd like
[09:38] <spiritz> petros: no need for howto, check ubuntu forum. You have to change 2 lines.
[09:39] <petros> ok, thx
[09:39] <petros> is it a risk?
[09:39] <ljl> yes. it's not out, it's not stable, it's experimental, it can break
[09:39] <trappist> petros: it's not released, so it's officially unstable.  but it's in pretty good shape.
[09:40] <spiritz> petros: unless you're happy spending time getty your computer to work and downloading new packages; you should not upgrade. It's like a sport.
[09:40] <trappist> anyway upgrading like that is always a risk
[09:40] <frank23> ljl: which version of kde are you using?
[09:40] <ljl> frank23: 3.5.1
[09:40] <petros> ok, then i'll w8 for the stable release
[09:40] <petros> thx 4 the info guys
[09:41] <frank23> ljl: and konqueror crashes on you? i find it pretty stable. more stable than firefox
[09:41] <spiritz> frank23: I agree with you
[09:42] <ljl> frank23: i can't really compare it to firefox, but it does crash more often than firefox used to on windows. also, besides actual *crashing*, another annoying thing is that sometimes i cannot type in the URL or search bar anymore (looks like it happens when some Javascript or somesuch is executing), until i select another tab
[09:42] <asraniel> spiritz: and i disagree, but well, dont use firefox, only konqueror, but it crashes perhaps once every 2 days
[09:42] <cedric> frank23, after upgrading to 3.5.2. i cant configure konsole its talking about an orphan package... nuky as a url(screenshot) explaining the problem... do you have any clue about that
[09:45] <ljl> note that i have Konqueror configured to keep only one instance open. although it's my understading that it should make it less stable -- just crash harder (i.e. every window goes away) when it does crash
[09:45] <ljl> should=should not
[09:48] <nuky> frank23: this is the konsole configuration error http://www.learningspirit.co.uk/konsole_error.png
[09:51] <Nirvana> try removing and reinstalling konsole
[09:51] <Nirvana> or try locate kcm_konsole.la
[09:51] <Nirvana> and link to it in the PATHs
[09:54] <fotli> hello, i want to move a file from /home to /usr/local/bin but I can't, what must i do?
[09:54] <cedric> how can i find link to the path
[09:56] <noteventime> fotli: You need to move it as rot
[09:56] <noteventime> root
[09:56] <noteventime> Either start a root version of konqueror or to it using the console
[09:57] <noteventime> sudo mv /home/FILE /usr/local/bin/
[09:58] <fotli> ok, thank you
[09:59] <ronald400> hi how do i enable root login in KDE
[09:59] <egonw> hi all, not sure which package takes care of it in dapper, but the graphical shutdown does not work if more than the F7 console is open... is this alreadty reported?
[10:03] <ronald400> hi anybody
[10:03] <egonw> ronald400: you should use sudo instead
[10:04] <ronald400> k
[10:04] <ronald400> but i wanted to enable root login
[10:05] <voicu> ronald400, try sudo -s and then passwd - you will be asked to create a password for root
[10:05] <dan> hi all has anyone got easyubuntu to work with kubuntu?
[10:06] <ronald400> k
[10:12] <nuky> is there a way to manually change the konsole settings? without going through Settings -> Configure Konsole, that is.. I just want to make the text a little bigger
[10:13] <Petecakes> Getting an error during boot: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off". How do I fix this?
[10:14] <pradeepto> nuky: Settings -> Fonts -> Enlarge Fonts
[10:14] <raphink> anybody with a powerpc here?
[10:16] <noteventime> Does anyone know how to add a video clip to an impress presentation?
[10:16] <raphink> ** searching for a powerpc user for some testings in dapper **
[10:17] <Petecakes> I'm assuming that no-one here can help me then?
[10:17] <Zerlinna> noteventime: you need to write a macro and a bash sricpt
[10:17] <noteventime> Ok
[10:18] <Zerlinna> noteventime: wait a sec I'll see if I find mine :-)
[10:19] <noteventime> :) thanks
[10:22] <nuky> pradeepto: thanks, i was looking for some a little more permanent , but that's fine for now.. thanks :)
[10:23] <pradeepto> nuky: save as default
[10:23] <Zerlinna> noteventime: your script should look like this:
[10:23] <Zerlinna> #! /bin/sh
[10:23] <Zerlinna> # file:////path/to/your/script
[10:23] <Zerlinna> xine --no-splash --geometry 400x400+420+420 \
[10:23] <Zerlinna> /path/to/your/videofile
[10:23] <noteventime> Ok, will that show up inside the presentation?
[10:23] <noteventime> Or in a player window?
[10:24] <Zerlinna> then add a new macro to impress (extras --> macros --> openoffice basic)
[10:24] <Zerlinna> noteventime: no, it won't
[10:24] <noteventime> Which one?
[10:24] <noteventime> ;)
[10:24] <Zerlinna> the macro should look like this:
[10:24] <Zerlinna> REM  *****  BASIC  *****
[10:24] <Zerlinna> Sub Second
[10:24] <Zerlinna> shell("/path/to/the/script.sh")
[10:24] <Zerlinna> End Sub
[10:24] <nuky> pradeepto: i can't, since i updated my kde, it's not letting me save defaults for konsole and giving me error when i go to settings -> configure konsole..
[10:25] <Zerlinna> noteventime: and don't forget to make your .sh file executable ;)
[10:25] <pradeepto> nuky: dude Settings -> Save As Default
[10:25] <noteventime> Zerlinna: Thanks
[10:25] <noteventime> :D
[10:25] <Zerlinna> noteventime: your welcome :-)
[10:26] <Zerlinna> noteventime: I had a hard time to find that out myself :-)
[10:26] <nuky> pradeepto: i did.. it doesn't save the setting when i open the konsole again
[10:26] <pradeepto> :(
[10:26] <Zerlinna> noteventime: oh, and you need to put a picture in your presentation - link it with the macro. During the presentation you can just click on the picture, and the video will open in a new window
[10:27] <Zerlinna> noteventime: hmmm... was that clear.. ?
[10:27] <noteventime> Hmm, sorry but I need it to show up inside the presentation
[10:27] <noteventime> That was clear
[10:27] <noteventime> Thanks anyway :D
[10:28] <noteventime> As noones going to control the presentation
[10:28] <Zerlinna> noteventime: at the moment there is no way to do this (really INside)
[10:28] <noteventime> :) Thanks anyway
[10:28] <Zerlinna> noteventime: :-)
[10:32] <pradeepto> MacAnthony: around
[10:32] <MacAnthony> yes
[10:32] <pradeepto> MacAnthony: just wanted to inform that I am going to sleep now :P
[10:33] <MacAnthony> wow
[10:33] <MacAnthony> ;)
[10:33] <pradeepto> so I am not bot ok :P
[10:33] <MacAnthony> I didn't assume you were a bot, just superhuman :)
[10:34] <MacAnthony> pradeepto: have a good night
[10:34] <pradeepto> thanks dude
[10:35] <MacAnthony> gets some rest so you can hellp me later
[10:35] <pradeepto> heh
[10:35] <pradeepto>  have a nice day I gues
[10:35] <pradeepto> *guess
[10:51] <_harm> where is konqeuror installed /usr/lib/? or where?
[10:58] <trappist> _harm: it's installed all over the place - dpkg -L konqueror to see the list of files
[10:58] <_harm> =X so how do i install flash 7? its asking for the installation path
[10:58] <frank23> _harm: you install with adept
[10:58] <frank23> !flash
[10:58] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <Petecakes> Getting an error during boot: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off". Any ideas how to fix this?
[11:00] <_harm> drank23 i see now :D thx
[11:03] <frank23> Petecakes: not really...  never heard about that problem before
[11:04] <Petecakes> (frank23): do you know anywhere I could find any info on it/possible solutions?
[11:05] <frank23> Petecakes: check the ubuntu forums and google I guess
[11:05] <frank23> Petecakes: you can also ask in #ubuntu
[11:05] <Petecakes> frank23; thanks.
[11:06] <joshuafr> hi all
[11:08] <joshuafr> I have a problem with my breezy : the IP is not set like in the /etc/network/interfaces file, and the init level is not good, some programs are launched but in the rc directory they don't appear!
[11:09] <joshuafr> Do someone have a solution?
[11:09] <joshuafr> s/Do/Does (sorry for my bad english)
[11:11] <lengau> when you say the IP is not set, do you mean that you don't get an IP address?
[11:12] <lengau> Are you using static IPs or DHCP?
[11:13] <joshuafr> lengau: hi, my IP is static, 192.168.1.1, but my eth is configured 169.254.161.64
[11:14] <frank23> joshuafr: are you using network-manager?
[11:14] <XVampireX> Hey, what was that file where I have to add locations for new applications repositories?
[11:14] <XVampireX> Or if that is not possible: How do I get the latest Wine installed directly through apt-get?
[11:14] <lengau> XVampireX: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <XVampireX> thanks
[11:15] <frank23> XVampireX: with the wine repository
[11:15] <joshuafr> frank23: knetworkconf the first time, but now I use directly interface
[11:15] <XVampireX> Well, latest wine is 0.9.10
[11:15] <lengau> XVampireX: add the line "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" to it. It goes direcly to the latest version of WINE from the makers.
[11:16] <XVampireX> I did: sudo apt-get install wine . But it only installs 0.9.9
[11:16] <lengau> XVampireX: sudo aptitude update
[11:17] <XVampireX> thanks
[11:17] <lengau> You're welcome.
[11:17] <joshuafr> frank23: a solution?
[11:18] <XVampireX> gonna be using that utorrent program instead of ktorrent because... I'm trying to download some files and they take AGES (100 times slower than utorrent)
[11:18] <lengau> Have you tried Azureus?
[11:18] <frank23> joshuafr: I don't know..
[11:18] <XVampireX> Azureus doesn't work for me
[11:18] <lengau> XVampireX: Okay.
[11:18] <joshuafr> frank23: me too, and it's the problem :-)
[11:19] <XVampireX> It doesn't open up the GUI (Sometimes it does) but it doesn't have any sections to it
[11:19] <frank23> XVampireX: do you have sun java?
[11:19] <XVampireX> Yes
[11:20] <frank23> XVampireX: and java -version  gives you sun java 1.5?
[11:20] <lengau> XVampireX: Does Azureus start up?
[11:20] <XVampireX> sec
[11:20] <XVampireX> no :O
[11:20] <XVampireX> Gives me 1.42
[11:20] <XVampireX> 1.4.2^
[11:21] <lengau> XVampireX: sudo aptitude remove blackdown-jre
[11:21] <XVampireX> That's gotta be it then
[11:21] <frank23> !java
[11:21] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:21] <frank23> !javadebs
[11:21] <frank23> XVampireX: Azureus likes the lastest java ;)
[11:21] <XVampireX> I hope so
[11:22] <frank23> XVampireX: it's also good if you install azureus in your home directory from the tar.bz2 on their website.  the auto-updater will work that way
[11:23] <XVampireX> I did that
[11:24] <frank23> XVampireX: then with the latest java, everything should work fine
[11:24] <XVampireX> Alright, I hope...
[11:27] <XVampireX> It's weird though, I remember installing the latest java..
[11:28] <frank23> maybe try sudo update-alternatives --config java
[11:28] <XVampireX> Yeah, I see 1.5 there
[11:29] <XVampireX> I changed default
[11:31] <XVampireX> It works !
[11:32] <frank23> XVampireX: great!
[11:32] <XVampireX> Thanks ^_^
[11:37] <XVampireX> One more thing, how do I use the konsole to update my system?
[11:37] <noteventime> sudo apt-get update
[11:38] <frank23> XVampireX: you instead of a package manager?   sudo apt-get update  then  sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:38] <noteventime> sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:38] <noteventime> :)
[11:38] <XVampireX> Ah, thanks :)
[11:38] <admrl> does anyone know if aol works under linux
[11:39] <frank23> admrl: I think you need a special dialer for aol. Not sure what its called
[11:40] <Gustaf> anyone run kubuntu on a Sony Vaio TX2 or TX1 laptop?
[11:45] <noteventime> Gustaf: Why?
[11:50] <Obst> Hi
[11:51] <Obst> how i can play wmv movies? :(
[11:51] <Obst> i dont find any package in apt
[11:52] <frank23> you need w32codecs
[11:52] <frank23> !restricted
[11:52] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:52] <frank23> and install kafeine-xine  to replace gstreamer. It's much better
[11:53] <Obst> i use vlc
[11:53] <XVampireX> Hey
[11:53] <XVampireX> I'm gonna be learning programming soon and I'm wondering if anyone ever wants to make an application for linux that is like RPG Maker series for Windows
[11:54] <XVampireX> I know a tiny bit of C++ (Made a console calculator the other day) so I got a little start in C++ :P
[11:55] <travail101> how do I get firefox 1.5?
[11:56] <frank23> !ff1.5
[11:56] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:57] <travail101> is there one for gaim 2.0.0 beta also?
[11:58] <travail101> whoa, that's a LOT OF STEPS...
[11:58] <travail101> oops
[11:58] <travail101> silly caps lock
[12:00] <travail101> !bugs
[12:00] <_redondo_> hi
[12:00] <_redondo_> when is Dapper release going out ?
[12:01] <frank23> !dapper
[12:01] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[12:01] <_redondo_> thanks
[12:02] <_redondo_> but I have a problem
[12:02] <_redondo_> with that distro