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| k31th | Hi guys, how do i find out what sections need docs for ? | 12:34 |
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| LaserJock | k31th: what do you mean? | 12:40 |
| k31th | LaserJock: well i need to contribute I cant code. Id like to give some thing back... Where do i look to see wat docs need to be made etc | 12:41 |
| k31th | :D | 12:41 |
| robotgeek | k31th: moment | 12:43 |
| k31th | robotgeek: k | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects is a list of all projects, and most have status pages | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | status pages say which ones need help :) | 12:44 |
| k31th | i guess there is a wiki on wat tools you use etc? docbook by any chance ? | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted | 12:45 |
| k31th | tbh i can do alot of the server stuff... | 12:45 |
| k31th | Right, I will find the time to do some docs as Ubuntu has helped me alot. | 12:47 |
| k31th | but rite now im gonna go to bed im nakard | 12:47 |
| k31th | night all | 12:47 |
| trappist | k31th: if you know wireless networking that needs help bad | 12:47 |
| trappist | so does the apache2 section of the serverguide | 12:47 |
| k31th | trappist: well thats good :D | 12:47 |
| k31th | as i know alot about wireless! | 12:47 |
| trappist | ossum | 12:47 |
| k31th | trappist: and i use apache alot daily | 12:48 |
| k31th | :D | 12:48 |
| k31th | trappist: the wireless stuff | 12:48 |
| k31th | is that in desktop guide or in server ? | 12:48 |
| k31th | or ? | 12:48 |
| trappist | server | 12:48 |
| trappist | maybe both but definitely server | 12:48 |
| k31th | I see | 12:49 |
| k31th | well can i put my name down for that ? | 12:49 |
| trappist | no need | 12:49 |
| k31th | I just write it ? | 12:49 |
| trappist | keep in touch with me on it though, as I was gonna be messing with the apache stuff too | 12:49 |
| k31th | kool... | 12:50 |
| k31th | I guess ill read your getting started age first | 12:50 |
| k31th | page | 12:50 |
| k31th | I take it all these guides are for dapper | 12:50 |
| k31th | apt-get install docbook then ? | 12:52 |
| trappist | yeah you'll want docbook stuff | 12:53 |
| trappist | and yeah dapper | 12:53 |
| k31th | I run dapper here and at work on my desktop there. | 12:54 |
| k31th | does that app use rsync to make sure ui have the latest version of the docs ? | 12:56 |
| k31th | just following this | 12:56 |
| k31th | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository | 12:56 |
| trappist | not exactly | 12:58 |
| trappist | it's more like cvs | 12:58 |
| k31th | Ahh i know cvs | 01:01 |
| k31th | well i know how to set it up :D | 01:01 |
| k31th | trappist: what editor do you guys use ? | 01:03 |
| k31th | Is samba4 going to be in dapper | 01:05 |
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| Burgwork | k31th, no | 01:06 |
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| k31th | ah | 01:06 |
| k31th | night | 01:07 |
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| Burgundavia | anybody awake | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxsoftwareformat | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | this needs to be renamed. I was thinking SoftwarePackingFormats, but I am not crazy on that title | 03:48 |
| kbrooks | Burgundavia, "Source files are nothing but raw code which requires compilation to work." | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia | kbrooks: the text is going to be edited next | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia | right now I am looking for input into the name | 03:52 |
| kbrooks | Python source code doesnt "require" compilation | 03:52 |
| kbrooks | well, i think that is a good name | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia | done | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 03:53 |
| kbrooks | Burgundavia, which, in general, requires compilation to work. | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | if you want to go to town on the text, be my guset | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackagingFormats | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | ok, software installation on the wiki is a mess | 03:59 |
| kbrooks | Burgundavia, mess how | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | many many pages with duplicated content | 04:03 |
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| robotgeek | /away | 05:17 |
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| robotgeek | actually, that was to remove my away status :P | 05:20 |
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| mgalvin | could anyone possibly take a good n-m screenshot? | 06:08 |
| === mgalvin only has 1 wired nic :-/ | ||
| Burgundavia | mgalvin: just a sec, but I believe nm is segfaulting | 06:14 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: yea i know there are still issues with it atm... i could always drop it from the review for now and cover it in a future review (if it stabalizes) | 06:16 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: but if you can than great | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia | mgalvin: ok, coming up | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia | I need to go offline for a sec so that x-g doesn't show up in my notification area | 06:17 |
| mhz | does dapper include XGL ? | 06:21 |
| crimsun | in universe, yes. | 06:30 |
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| Burgundavia | mgalvin: got a screencast | 06:33 |
| mgalvin | groovy! | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | shall I upload it Flight6 ? | 06:33 |
| mgalvin | go ahead and add it, i gotta edit an image now anyway | 06:33 |
| mgalvin | yup :) | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | mgalvin: I am going to break the intro up some too, it is too many words in one para | 06:34 |
| mgalvin | ok, it is a bit long | 06:35 |
| mgalvin | maybe move some of the delay info to the delay section possibly | 06:35 |
| mgalvin | if it fits well | 06:35 |
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| Burgundavia | mgalvin: take a look now | 06:50 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: cool, looks good, thanks... i would keep the notes on top together somewhere for two reasons... | 06:54 |
| mgalvin | one all the other previous flight have the note that way and | 06:54 |
| mgalvin | the intro now does not talk about the delayed date so the note doesn't seem to fit there quite right | 06:55 |
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| Burgundavia | the note is important and I think relevant right away | 06:56 |
| Burgundavia | moreover, the first note is far more important and needs to be stated right away | 06:56 |
| mgalvin | i read it again, yea it sounds fine as it is now, and the shorter sections keep the reader reading quickly | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.impi.org.za/ <-- ok, their website kicks our ass | 07:10 |
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| kk100 | Hi | 07:36 |
| kk100 | Dose Ubuntu support PPPoE connection? | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | kk100: I have no idea. This is a channel for documentation. The help channel is #ubuntu | 07:37 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 08:15 |
| robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 08:18 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, so no Bellingham for you this year? | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | sadly no | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | I will arrive in Seattle at 1pm on Saturday | 08:26 |
| Madpilot | you'll be coming back from making that sale, right? | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | 1pm Sat - even if I flew down to SEA to meet you, we'd only get back to Bellingham in time for the last hour or two of the thing | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 08:27 |
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| Madpilot | I see the Xubuntu docs folks have posted to the ML - is someone going to add their stuff to SVN? | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: go nuts | 08:39 |
| Madpilot | heh. OK... | 08:39 |
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| mdke_ | it's just one folk right now isn't it? | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | afaik | 08:41 |
| robotgeek | yup | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | that is what janimo seemed to indicate in his speech | 08:41 |
| mdke | if we put it in the archive, we ought to think about getting the folk access | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | and quickly | 08:44 |
| mdke | unless we want to make him send patches for a while. But he seems to know pretty well what he's doing | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | boy dasher is fun | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | seems to be using less cpu that before | 08:45 |
| mdke | Madpilot, do you know strict xhtml? | 08:46 |
| Madpilot | mdke, I can hack away at it, with help from Bluefish & Screem | 08:46 |
| Madpilot | BTW, I'm about to commit the Xubuntu stuff... | 08:47 |
| mdke | Madpilot, do you have any time to convert ubuntu/browserstartpage/C/index.html? | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | mdke, to XHTML Strict? | 08:47 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | not this week, no. But next week with luck I'll have free time - and our freeze isn't until the 6th, yes? | 08:48 |
| mdke | that's right | 08:48 |
| mdke | if we can get it to strict, it may be easier to translate. | 08:49 |
| Madpilot | right - I'll convert it sometime next week, then | 08:50 |
| Madpilot | XDG committed, btw | 08:50 |
| mdke | nice | 08:50 |
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| mdke | yes, commit access. I'll send an email today | 09:00 |
| mdke | are we making an exception for the "ubuntu member" rule? | 09:01 |
| mdke | if so, let's make one for trappist too | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | fine by me | 09:01 |
| mdke | i never liked that rule :) | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | the CC might have another opinion, though... | 09:01 |
| mdke | it's our rule, I thought, not the CC's | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | I consider the creation of that xubuntu stuff enough for ubntu membership | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | and I think if we think a cadidate is likely to pass, there is no reason to get them started earlier | 09:02 |
| mdke | what if we're wrong and then they don't? do we remove the access? | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | then we wait | 09:03 |
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| mdke | ok let's go for it with trappist and luzi. | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | I think, in general, them being an Ubuntu member or actively trying is a good rule | 09:04 |
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| mdke | Burgundavia, if someone only likes documentation, it's difficult to become an ubuntu member without first getting on the docteam, I think | 09:05 |
| mdke | "actively trying" might be ok though. albeit tricky to judge | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | actively trying is "on the list and wants to become a member" | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | if they express no interest in becoming an ubuntu member, I question why they are even trying to help us | 09:07 |
| mdke | sure | 09:07 |
| Madpilot | are there Xubuntu LiveCDs yet? | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | not yet | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | the building of xubuntu cds has been delayed until everything in xubuntu-meta is in main | 09:09 |
| Madpilot | ah | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | which I believe just happened, so after flight 6 I believe it will be turned on | 09:10 |
| mdke | cool | 09:10 |
| Burgundavia | ok, that is broken. OO.o stores their recovery files in tmp, which doesn't help when the power dies | 09:13 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: somewhat related to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/33444 | 09:18 |
| === Burgundavia is going to open a bug "OO.o is shite. It must die. Kthxbye" | ||
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: lol | 09:19 |
| robitaille | I heard of a company in Redmond that ship a great office product :) | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | here is another fun one --> tell where I search for the bug database on this page: http://qa.openoffice.org/issuelinks.html | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | no thanks | 09:20 |
| mdke | gotta love their bug tracker | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | even the OO.o people bitch about their infrastructure | 09:20 |
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| Burgundavia | wow, that is cool. Not only does this movie crash totem, it also crashes gdb | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | OK, that's odd - I can't get XDG's Common Tasks chapter to display in Yelp/Breezy | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille: do you have the various gstreamer plugins enabled? can you download http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/vforvendetta/Super_Bowl_1280.zip and confirm that it crashes? | 09:39 |
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| Madpilot | anyone else want to try the XDG in Yelp? | 09:43 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: moment | 09:44 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: works | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, Breezy or Dapper? | 09:45 |
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| robotgeek | dapper | 09:46 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: sorry, i did not see your comment | 09:47 |
| Madpilot | hmm. bug in Yelp/Breezy, then. it validates, so I'll just commit the thing... :P | 09:47 |
| Madpilot | OK, another XDG commit done, just for the heck of it | 09:54 |
| robotgeek | how do we cut and paste tables in oo, it's too tough for me | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: first you take a knife and hold out your wrist. Then you press down and cut, opening the vein. This would be less painful that using OO.o | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | yes. it is actually that frustrating | 10:00 |
| robotgeek | i find it easier in xml/latex | 10:00 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: that Super Bowl ad crashes for me using totem-gstreamer in Dapper | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille: cool, I will file | 10:05 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: it also crashes gxine and vlc. I think there is something wrong with that movie | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille: might be | 10:08 |
| robotgeek | i can't see the video, even on vlc | 10:09 |
| mdke | Madpilot, the thunar entity isn't defined | 10:11 |
| mdke | I'll fix, if that's ok | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | sure - what did I leave out, though? it's in xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent | 10:12 |
| mdke | it's in the wrong directory :) should be in menus/C | 10:12 |
| mdke | it still doesn't look great in yelp, because there is no title on the sect1 heading | 10:14 |
| Madpilot | gah, I just created it in menus/... bleh | 10:14 |
| Madpilot | That's what I get for messing with a new set of docs at midnight after a long day :P | 10:15 |
| mdke | heh | 10:15 |
| mdke | wow this guy knows what he is doing, Makefile looks good | 10:15 |
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| k31th | Morning | 10:18 |
| mpt_ | yo | 10:18 |
| mdke | yo ho ho | 10:18 |
| mpt_ | Anyone got links handy for the Ubuntu Documentation things translatable in Rosetta? | 10:18 |
| mdke | mpt_, they are not there yet | 10:19 |
| mpt_ | How are they going to be processed into a format Rosetta understands? | 10:20 |
| mdke | mpt_, using xml2po | 10:20 |
| mpt_ | thanks | 10:20 |
| mdke | mpt_, why do you ask? | 10:21 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation mpt_ | 10:21 |
| mpt_ | mdke, because the Ubuntu-Women are trying to use Rosetta to translate stuff | 10:22 |
| mpt_ | and I think they're translating only wiki pages, so Rosetta isn't really useful | 10:22 |
| mdke | I would agree | 10:22 |
| mdke | just reading that mail now | 10:22 |
| mdke | if she can get pot files from the wiki pages, it can be done, I suppose | 10:23 |
| mdke | seems like a bit of a hassle to request a separate set of ubuntu-women translators for each language, though. | 10:26 |
| mpt_ | yeah | 10:29 |
| mpt_ | there's only about a dozen of them in total | 10:29 |
| mdke | and integrating with the existing Ubuntu teams isn't an option? | 10:30 |
| mdke | i know the italian team would welcome any new contributors | 10:30 |
| robotgeek | would anyone know offhand how to specify only certain xml tags for translation? | 10:31 |
| robotgeek | using xml2po, that is | 10:31 |
| mdke | you can't do it | 10:32 |
| mdke | you can include comments (in the usual way) though | 10:32 |
| robotgeek | okay, thanks | 10:33 |
| mdke | include the comment directly before the <para> tag | 10:34 |
| mdke | why do you need it? | 10:35 |
| robotgeek | mdke: well, for easyubuntu descriptions | 10:37 |
| Madpilot | night, all | 10:40 |
| mdke | robotgeek, oh right, np | 10:43 |
| robotgeek | mdke: well, i can ask people to translate only the ones with label tags :) | 10:46 |
| mdke | the tags should get stripped out, no? | 10:47 |
| robotgeek | i mean, #: pkg-breezy-x86.xml:41(label) | 10:47 |
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| mdke | ah | 10:49 |
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| robotgeek | anyways, back to stupid gui popping | 10:50 |
| mdke | robotgeek, you might be able to talk to the xml2po maintainer and ask if single tags can be specified, or if not, how difficult it would be to enable that functionality | 10:51 |
| robotgeek | mdke: well, i gotta get the program up and running first, translations should be a snap after that | 10:52 |
| mdke | robotgeek, :) | 10:52 |
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| ompaul | at the risk of being silly was it intentional that the directory in a users home directory called examples was all read only? I put the latest and greatest on my laptop last night went for the orange desktop and was happy :) | 11:29 |
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| mdke | ompaul, ECHAN? | 11:51 |
| ompaul | mdke, ehh how to rephrase | 12:03 |
| mdke | ompaul, we don't look after example-content. But yes, I think it is intentional | 12:03 |
| ompaul | ahh okay | 12:03 |
| ompaul | cos it was sample docs and stuff I thought there might have been input from here :) | 12:04 |
| k31th | Jesus this dell site is so slow | 12:15 |
| highvoltage | k31th: praying won't make the internet faster | 12:29 |
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| k31th | :D | 12:44 |
| k31th | Using konquer works well on the dell site | 12:44 |
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| jjesse | robotgeek_away: is the kubuntu updated and ready for an updated package build? | 04:34 |
| jjesse | mdke: will you hate me forever if i have lost my password for svn ? | 04:45 |
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| kgoetz | what licences does the ubuntu-doc team use? GNU FDL and one of the CC licences? | 04:52 |
| jjesse | let me check | 04:52 |
| kgoetz | thanks. | 04:53 |
| kgoetz | i wasnt sure where to start looking | 04:53 |
| jjesse | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License | 04:53 |
| kgoetz | thanks | 04:54 |
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| mdke | jjesse, yeah | 06:17 |
| mdke | (not really, *hugs*) | 06:17 |
| jjesse | i think when i wiped my hard drive and reinstalled dapper it got lost in one of my backups ;( | 06:18 |
| mdke | these things happen. Have you still got your gpg key? | 06:19 |
| jjesse | i think so | 06:20 |
| jjesse | i can find it from a back | 06:20 |
| jjesse | up | 06:20 |
| mdke | just make sure you've got it (A60BF16A) and I'll ask elmo to resend your password | 06:20 |
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| mdke | jjesse, any luck? | 06:57 |
| mdke | -> home | 07:01 |
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| jjesse | mdke: yes i have my key | 07:26 |
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| robotgeek | jjesse: ping | 08:10 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: pong | 08:10 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: for the kubuntu-docs package? i'm sure that we will be getting more changes as the week goes, but i guess abuild would be ok | 08:11 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: riddell was working for a build for flight6 | 08:12 |
| jjesse | was/is | 08:12 |
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| robotgeek | jjesse: okay. (lag) | 08:18 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: no worries | 08:20 |
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