[12:34] <k31th> Hi guys, how do i find out what sections need docs for ?
[12:40] <LaserJock> k31th: what do you mean?
[12:41] <k31th> LaserJock: well i need to contribute I cant code. Id like to give some thing back... Where do i look to see wat docs need to be made etc 
[12:41] <k31th> :D
[12:43] <robotgeek> k31th: moment
[12:44] <k31th> robotgeek: k
[12:44] <robotgeek> k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects is a list of all projects, and most have status pages
[12:44] <robotgeek> status pages say which ones need help :)
[12:44] <k31th> i guess there is a wiki on wat tools you use etc? docbook  by any chance ?
[12:45] <robotgeek> k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[12:45] <k31th> tbh i can do alot of the server stuff...
[12:47] <k31th> Right, I will find the time to do some docs as Ubuntu has helped me alot.
[12:47] <k31th> but rite now im gonna go to bed im nakard
[12:47] <k31th> night all
[12:47] <trappist> k31th: if you know wireless networking that needs help bad
[12:47] <trappist> so does the apache2 section of the serverguide
[12:47] <k31th> trappist: well thats good :D
[12:47] <k31th> as i know alot about wireless!
[12:47] <trappist> ossum
[12:48] <k31th> trappist: and i use apache alot daily 
[12:48] <k31th> :D
[12:48] <k31th> trappist: the wireless stuff
[12:48] <k31th> is that in  desktop guide or in server ?
[12:48] <k31th> or ?
[12:48] <trappist> server
[12:48] <trappist> maybe both but definitely server
[12:49] <k31th> I see 
[12:49] <k31th> well can i put my name down for that ?
[12:49] <trappist> no need
[12:49] <k31th> I just write it ?
[12:49] <trappist> keep in touch with me on it though, as I was gonna be messing with the apache stuff too
[12:50] <k31th> kool...
[12:50] <k31th> I guess ill read your getting started age first
[12:50] <k31th> page
[12:50] <k31th> I take it all these guides are for dapper
[12:52] <k31th> apt-get install docbook then ?
[12:53] <trappist> yeah you'll want docbook stuff
[12:53] <trappist> and yeah dapper
[12:54] <k31th> I run dapper here and at work on my desktop there.
[12:56] <k31th> does that app use rsync to make sure ui have the latest version of the docs ?
[12:56] <k31th> just following this 
[12:56] <k31th> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[12:58] <trappist> not exactly
[12:58] <trappist> it's more like cvs
[01:01] <k31th> Ahh i know cvs 
[01:01] <k31th> well i know how to set it up :D
[01:03] <k31th> trappist: what editor do you guys use ?
[01:05] <k31th> Is samba4 going to be in dapper
[01:06] <Burgwork> k31th, no
[01:06] <k31th> ah 
[01:07] <k31th> night
[03:48] <Burgundavia> anybody awake
[03:48] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxsoftwareformat
[03:48] <Burgundavia> this needs to be renamed. I was thinking SoftwarePackingFormats, but I am not crazy on that title
[03:52] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, "Source files are nothing but raw code which requires compilation to work."
[03:52] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: the text is going to be edited next
[03:52] <Burgundavia> right now I am looking for input into the name
[03:52] <kbrooks> Python source code doesnt "require" compilation
[03:52] <kbrooks> well, i think that is a good name
[03:53] <Burgundavia> done
[03:53] <Burgundavia> thanks
[03:54] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, which, in general, requires compilation to work. 
[03:55] <Burgundavia> if you want to go to town on the text, be my guset
[03:55] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackagingFormats
[03:59] <Burgundavia> ok, software installation on the wiki is a mess
[04:02] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, mess how
[04:03] <Burgundavia> many many pages with duplicated content
[05:17] <robotgeek>  /away
[05:20] <robotgeek> actually, that was to remove my away status :P
[06:08] <mgalvin> could anyone possibly take a good n-m screenshot?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: just a sec, but I believe nm is segfaulting
[06:16] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: yea i know there are still issues with it atm... i could always drop it from the review for now and cover it in a future review (if it stabalizes)
[06:16] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: but if you can than great
[06:16] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: ok, coming up
[06:17] <Burgundavia> I need to go offline for a sec so that x-g doesn't show up in my notification area
[06:21] <mhz> does dapper include XGL ?
[06:30] <crimsun> in universe, yes.
[06:33] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: got a screencast
[06:33] <mgalvin> groovy!
[06:33] <Burgundavia> shall I upload it Flight6 ?
[06:33] <mgalvin> go ahead and add it, i gotta edit an image now anyway
[06:33] <mgalvin> yup :)
[06:34] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: I am going to break the intro up some too, it is too many words in one para
[06:35] <mgalvin> ok, it is a bit long
[06:35] <mgalvin> maybe move some of the delay info to the delay section possibly
[06:35] <mgalvin> if it fits well
[06:50] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: take a look now
[06:54] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: cool, looks good, thanks... i would keep the notes on top together somewhere for two reasons...
[06:54] <mgalvin> one all the other previous flight have the note that way and
[06:55] <mgalvin> the intro now does not talk about the delayed date so the note doesn't seem to fit there quite right
[06:56] <Burgundavia> the note is important and I think relevant right away
[06:56] <Burgundavia> moreover, the first note is far more important and needs to be stated right away
[06:59] <mgalvin> i read it again, yea it sounds fine as it is now, and the shorter sections keep the reader reading quickly
[07:10] <Burgundavia> http://www.impi.org.za/ <-- ok, their website kicks our ass
[07:36] <kk100> Hi
[07:36] <kk100> Dose Ubuntu support PPPoE connection?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> kk100: I have no idea. This is a channel for documentation. The help channel is #ubuntu
[08:15] <Madpilot> hi all
[08:16] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot 
[08:18] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[08:26] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so no Bellingham for you this year?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> sadly no
[08:26] <Burgundavia> I will arrive in Seattle at 1pm on Saturday
[08:26] <Madpilot> you'll be coming back from making that sale, right?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:27] <Madpilot> 1pm Sat - even if I flew down to SEA to meet you, we'd only get back to Bellingham in time for the last hour or two of the thing
[08:27] <Burgundavia> ya
[08:35] <Madpilot> I see the Xubuntu docs folks have posted to the ML - is someone going to add their stuff to SVN?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: go nuts
[08:39] <Madpilot> heh. OK...
[08:41] <mdke_> it's just one folk right now isn't it?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> afaik
[08:41] <robotgeek> yup
[08:41] <Burgundavia> that is what janimo seemed to indicate in his speech
[08:42] <mdke> if we put it in the archive, we ought to think about getting the folk access
[08:44] <Burgundavia> and quickly
[08:44] <mdke> unless we want to make him send patches for a while. But he seems to know pretty well what he's doing
[08:45] <Burgundavia> boy dasher is fun
[08:45] <Burgundavia> seems to be using less cpu that before
[08:46] <mdke> Madpilot, do you know strict xhtml? 
[08:46] <Madpilot> mdke, I can hack away at it, with help from Bluefish & Screem
[08:47] <Madpilot> BTW, I'm about to commit the Xubuntu stuff...
[08:47] <mdke> Madpilot, do you have any time to convert ubuntu/browserstartpage/C/index.html?
[08:47] <Madpilot> mdke, to XHTML Strict?
[08:47] <mdke> yeah
[08:48] <Madpilot> not this week, no. But next week with luck I'll have free time - and our freeze isn't until the 6th, yes?
[08:48] <mdke> that's right
[08:49] <mdke> if we can get it to strict, it may be easier to translate.
[08:50] <Madpilot> right - I'll convert it sometime next week, then
[08:50] <Madpilot> XDG committed, btw
[08:50] <mdke> nice
[09:00] <mdke> yes, commit access. I'll send an email today
[09:01] <mdke> are we making an exception for the "ubuntu member" rule?
[09:01] <mdke> if so, let's make one for trappist too
[09:01] <Madpilot> fine by me
[09:01] <mdke> i never liked that rule :)
[09:01] <Madpilot> the CC might have another opinion, though...
[09:01] <mdke> it's our rule, I thought, not the CC's
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I consider the creation of that xubuntu stuff enough for ubntu membership
[09:02] <Burgundavia> and I think if we think a cadidate is likely to pass, there is no reason to get them started earlier
[09:02] <mdke> what if we're wrong and then they don't? do we remove the access?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> then we wait
[09:03] <mdke> ok let's go for it with trappist and luzi.
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I think, in general, them being an Ubuntu member or actively trying is a good rule
[09:05] <mdke> Burgundavia, if someone only likes documentation, it's difficult to become an ubuntu member without first getting on the docteam, I think
[09:05] <mdke> "actively trying" might be ok though. albeit tricky to judge
[09:06] <Burgundavia> actively trying is "on the list and wants to become a member"
[09:07] <Burgundavia> if they express no interest in becoming an ubuntu member, I question why they are even trying to help us
[09:07] <mdke> sure
[09:08] <Madpilot> are there Xubuntu LiveCDs yet?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> not yet
[09:09] <Burgundavia> the building of xubuntu cds has been delayed until everything in xubuntu-meta is in main
[09:09] <Madpilot> ah
[09:10] <Burgundavia> which I believe just happened, so after flight 6 I believe it will be turned on
[09:10] <mdke> cool
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ok, that is broken. OO.o stores their recovery files in tmp, which doesn't help when the power dies
[09:18] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  somewhat related to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/33444
[09:19] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: lol
[09:20] <robitaille> I heard of a company in Redmond that ship a great office product :)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> here is another fun one -->  tell where I search for the bug database on this page: http://qa.openoffice.org/issuelinks.html
[09:20] <Burgundavia> no thanks
[09:20] <mdke> gotta love their bug tracker
[09:20] <Burgundavia> even the OO.o people bitch about their infrastructure
[09:38] <Burgundavia> wow, that is cool. Not only does this movie crash totem, it also crashes gdb
[09:39] <Madpilot> OK, that's odd - I can't get XDG's Common Tasks chapter to display in Yelp/Breezy
[09:39] <Burgundavia> robitaille: do you have the various gstreamer plugins enabled? can you download http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/vforvendetta/Super_Bowl_1280.zip and confirm that it crashes?
[09:43] <Madpilot> anyone else want to try the XDG in Yelp?
[09:44] <robotgeek> Madpilot: moment
[09:45] <robotgeek> Madpilot: works
[09:45] <Madpilot> robotgeek, Breezy or Dapper?
[09:46] <robotgeek> dapper
[09:47] <robotgeek> Madpilot: sorry, i did not see your comment
[09:47] <Madpilot> hmm. bug in Yelp/Breezy, then. it validates, so I'll just commit the thing... :P
[09:54] <Madpilot> OK, another XDG commit done, just for the heck of it
[09:57] <robotgeek> how do we cut and paste tables in oo, it's too tough for me
[09:58] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: first you take a knife and hold out your wrist. Then you press down and cut, opening the vein. This would be less painful that using OO.o
[10:00] <robotgeek> yes. it is actually that frustrating
[10:00] <robotgeek> i find it easier in xml/latex
[10:05] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  that Super Bowl ad  crashes for me using totem-gstreamer in Dapper
[10:05] <Burgundavia> robitaille: cool, I will file
[10:06] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  it also crashes gxine and vlc.  I think there is something wrong with that movie
[10:08] <Burgundavia> robitaille: might be
[10:09] <robotgeek> i can't see the video, even on vlc
[10:11] <mdke> Madpilot, the thunar entity isn't defined
[10:11] <mdke> I'll fix, if that's ok
[10:12] <Madpilot> sure - what did I leave out, though? it's in xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent
[10:12] <mdke> it's in the wrong directory :) should be in menus/C
[10:14] <mdke> it still doesn't look great in yelp, because there is no title on the sect1 heading
[10:14] <Madpilot> gah, I just created it in menus/... bleh
[10:15] <Madpilot> That's what I get for messing with a new set of docs at midnight after a long day :P
[10:15] <mdke> heh
[10:15] <mdke> wow this guy knows what he is doing, Makefile looks good
[10:18] <k31th> Morning 
[10:18] <mpt_> yo
[10:18] <mdke> yo ho ho
[10:18] <mpt_> Anyone got links handy for the Ubuntu Documentation things translatable in Rosetta?
[10:19] <mdke> mpt_, they are not there yet
[10:20] <mpt_> How are they going to be processed into a format Rosetta understands?
[10:20] <mdke> mpt_, using xml2po
[10:20] <mpt_> thanks
[10:21] <mdke> mpt_, why do you ask?
[10:21] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation mpt_ 
[10:22] <mpt_> mdke, because the Ubuntu-Women are trying to use Rosetta to translate stuff
[10:22] <mpt_> and I think they're translating only wiki pages, so Rosetta isn't really useful
[10:22] <mdke> I would agree
[10:22] <mdke> just reading that mail now
[10:23] <mdke> if she can get pot files from the wiki pages, it can be done, I suppose
[10:26] <mdke> seems like a bit of a hassle to request a separate set of ubuntu-women translators for each language, though.
[10:29] <mpt_> yeah
[10:29] <mpt_> there's only about a dozen of them in total
[10:30] <mdke> and integrating with the existing Ubuntu teams isn't an option?
[10:30] <mdke> i know the italian team would welcome any new contributors
[10:31] <robotgeek> would anyone know offhand how to specify only certain xml tags for translation?
[10:31] <robotgeek> using xml2po, that is
[10:32] <mdke> you can't do it
[10:32] <mdke> you can include comments (in the usual way) though
[10:33] <robotgeek> okay, thanks
[10:34] <mdke> include the comment directly before the <para> tag
[10:35] <mdke> why do you need it?
[10:37] <robotgeek> mdke: well, for easyubuntu descriptions
[10:40] <Madpilot> night, all
[10:43] <mdke> robotgeek, oh right, np
[10:46] <robotgeek> mdke: well, i can ask people to translate only the ones with label tags :)
[10:47] <mdke> the tags should get stripped out, no?
[10:47] <robotgeek> i mean, #: pkg-breezy-x86.xml:41(label) 
[10:49] <mdke> ah
[10:50] <robotgeek> anyways, back to stupid gui popping
[10:51] <mdke> robotgeek, you might be able to talk to the xml2po maintainer and ask if single tags can be specified, or if not, how difficult it would be to enable that functionality
[10:52] <robotgeek> mdke: well, i gotta get the program up and running first, translations should be a snap after that
[10:52] <mdke> robotgeek, :)
[11:29] <ompaul> at the risk of being silly was it intentional that the directory in a users home directory called examples was all read only? I put the latest and greatest on my laptop last night went for the orange desktop and was happy :)
[11:51] <mdke> ompaul, ECHAN?
[12:03] <ompaul> mdke, ehh how to rephrase
[12:03] <mdke> ompaul, we don't look after example-content. But yes, I think it is intentional
[12:03] <ompaul> ahh okay
[12:04] <ompaul> cos it was sample docs and stuff I thought there might have been input from here :)
[12:15] <k31th> Jesus this dell site is so slow
[12:29] <highvoltage> k31th: praying won't make the internet faster
[12:44] <k31th> :D
[12:44] <k31th> Using konquer works well on the dell site
[04:34] <jjesse> robotgeek_away: is the kubuntu updated and ready for an updated package build?
[04:45] <jjesse> mdke: will you hate me forever if i have lost my password for svn ?
[04:52] <kgoetz> what licences does the ubuntu-doc team use? GNU FDL and one of the CC licences?
[04:52] <jjesse> let me check
[04:53] <kgoetz> thanks.
[04:53] <kgoetz> i wasnt sure where to start looking
[04:53] <jjesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License
[04:54] <kgoetz> thanks
[06:17] <mdke> jjesse, yeah
[06:17] <mdke> (not really, *hugs*)
[06:18] <jjesse> i think when i wiped my hard drive and reinstalled dapper it got lost in one of my backups ;(
[06:19] <mdke> these things happen. Have you still got your gpg key?
[06:20] <jjesse> i think so
[06:20] <jjesse> i can find it from a back
[06:20] <jjesse> up
[06:20] <mdke> just make sure you've got it (A60BF16A) and I'll ask elmo to resend your password
[06:57] <mdke> jjesse, any luck?
[07:01] <mdke> -> home
[07:26] <jjesse> mdke: yes i have my key
[08:10] <robotgeek> jjesse: ping
[08:10] <jjesse> robotgeek: pong
[08:11] <robotgeek> jjesse: for the kubuntu-docs package? i'm sure that we will be getting more changes as the week goes, but i guess abuild would be ok
[08:12] <jjesse> robotgeek: riddell was working for a build for flight6
[08:12] <jjesse> was/is
[08:18] <robotgeek> jjesse: okay. (lag)
[08:20] <jjesse> robotgeek: no worries