=== mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] Hi guys, how do i find out what sections need docs for ? === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] k31th: what do you mean? [12:41] LaserJock: well i need to contribute I cant code. Id like to give some thing back... Where do i look to see wat docs need to be made etc [12:41] :D [12:43] k31th: moment [12:44] robotgeek: k [12:44] k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects is a list of all projects, and most have status pages [12:44] status pages say which ones need help :) [12:44] i guess there is a wiki on wat tools you use etc? docbook by any chance ? [12:45] k31th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted [12:45] tbh i can do alot of the server stuff... [12:47] Right, I will find the time to do some docs as Ubuntu has helped me alot. [12:47] but rite now im gonna go to bed im nakard [12:47] night all [12:47] k31th: if you know wireless networking that needs help bad [12:47] so does the apache2 section of the serverguide [12:47] trappist: well thats good :D [12:47] as i know alot about wireless! [12:47] ossum [12:48] trappist: and i use apache alot daily [12:48] :D [12:48] trappist: the wireless stuff [12:48] is that in desktop guide or in server ? [12:48] or ? [12:48] server [12:48] maybe both but definitely server [12:49] I see [12:49] well can i put my name down for that ? [12:49] no need [12:49] I just write it ? [12:49] keep in touch with me on it though, as I was gonna be messing with the apache stuff too [12:50] kool... [12:50] I guess ill read your getting started age first [12:50] page [12:50] I take it all these guides are for dapper [12:52] apt-get install docbook then ? [12:53] yeah you'll want docbook stuff [12:53] and yeah dapper [12:54] I run dapper here and at work on my desktop there. [12:56] does that app use rsync to make sure ui have the latest version of the docs ? [12:56] just following this [12:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository [12:58] not exactly [12:58] it's more like cvs [01:01] Ahh i know cvs [01:01] well i know how to set it up :D [01:03] trappist: what editor do you guys use ? [01:05] Is samba4 going to be in dapper === k31th goes to bed [01:06] k31th, no === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:06] ah [01:07] night === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:48] anybody awake [03:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxsoftwareformat [03:48] this needs to be renamed. I was thinking SoftwarePackingFormats, but I am not crazy on that title [03:52] Burgundavia, "Source files are nothing but raw code which requires compilation to work." [03:52] kbrooks: the text is going to be edited next [03:52] right now I am looking for input into the name [03:52] Python source code doesnt "require" compilation [03:52] well, i think that is a good name [03:53] done [03:53] thanks [03:54] Burgundavia, which, in general, requires compilation to work. [03:55] if you want to go to town on the text, be my guset [03:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackagingFormats [03:59] ok, software installation on the wiki is a mess [04:02] Burgundavia, mess how [04:03] many many pages with duplicated content === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-140-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:17] /away === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:20] actually, that was to remove my away status :P === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.43.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] could anyone possibly take a good n-m screenshot? === mgalvin only has 1 wired nic :-/ [06:14] mgalvin: just a sec, but I believe nm is segfaulting [06:16] Burgundavia: yea i know there are still issues with it atm... i could always drop it from the review for now and cover it in a future review (if it stabalizes) [06:16] Burgundavia: but if you can than great [06:16] mgalvin: ok, coming up [06:17] I need to go offline for a sec so that x-g doesn't show up in my notification area [06:21] does dapper include XGL ? [06:30] in universe, yes. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:33] mgalvin: got a screencast [06:33] groovy! [06:33] shall I upload it Flight6 ? [06:33] go ahead and add it, i gotta edit an image now anyway [06:33] yup :) [06:34] mgalvin: I am going to break the intro up some too, it is too many words in one para [06:35] ok, it is a bit long [06:35] maybe move some of the delay info to the delay section possibly [06:35] if it fits well === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-54-238.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] mgalvin: take a look now [06:54] Burgundavia: cool, looks good, thanks... i would keep the notes on top together somewhere for two reasons... [06:54] one all the other previous flight have the note that way and [06:55] the intro now does not talk about the delayed date so the note doesn't seem to fit there quite right === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:56] the note is important and I think relevant right away [06:56] moreover, the first note is far more important and needs to be stated right away [06:59] i read it again, yea it sounds fine as it is now, and the shorter sections keep the reader reading quickly [07:10] http://www.impi.org.za/ <-- ok, their website kicks our ass === kk100 [i=WinNT@toronto-HSE-ppp4082932.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:36] Hi [07:36] Dose Ubuntu support PPPoE connection? [07:37] kk100: I have no idea. This is a channel for documentation. The help channel is #ubuntu === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] hi all [08:16] hey Madpilot [08:18] salut Madpilot [08:26] Burgundavia, so no Bellingham for you this year? [08:26] sadly no [08:26] I will arrive in Seattle at 1pm on Saturday [08:26] you'll be coming back from making that sale, right? [08:27] yep [08:27] 1pm Sat - even if I flew down to SEA to meet you, we'd only get back to Bellingham in time for the last hour or two of the thing [08:27] ya === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:35] I see the Xubuntu docs folks have posted to the ML - is someone going to add their stuff to SVN? [08:39] Madpilot: go nuts [08:39] heh. OK... === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-156-246.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] it's just one folk right now isn't it? [08:41] afaik [08:41] yup [08:41] that is what janimo seemed to indicate in his speech [08:42] if we put it in the archive, we ought to think about getting the folk access [08:44] and quickly [08:44] unless we want to make him send patches for a while. But he seems to know pretty well what he's doing [08:45] boy dasher is fun [08:45] seems to be using less cpu that before [08:46] Madpilot, do you know strict xhtml? [08:46] mdke, I can hack away at it, with help from Bluefish & Screem [08:47] BTW, I'm about to commit the Xubuntu stuff... [08:47] Madpilot, do you have any time to convert ubuntu/browserstartpage/C/index.html? [08:47] mdke, to XHTML Strict? [08:47] yeah [08:48] not this week, no. But next week with luck I'll have free time - and our freeze isn't until the 6th, yes? [08:48] that's right [08:49] if we can get it to strict, it may be easier to translate. [08:50] right - I'll convert it sometime next week, then [08:50] XDG committed, btw [08:50] nice === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-156-246.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:00] yes, commit access. I'll send an email today [09:01] are we making an exception for the "ubuntu member" rule? [09:01] if so, let's make one for trappist too [09:01] fine by me [09:01] i never liked that rule :) [09:01] the CC might have another opinion, though... [09:01] it's our rule, I thought, not the CC's [09:01] I consider the creation of that xubuntu stuff enough for ubntu membership [09:02] and I think if we think a cadidate is likely to pass, there is no reason to get them started earlier [09:02] what if we're wrong and then they don't? do we remove the access? [09:03] then we wait === mdke states for the record that it's a bad rule [09:03] ok let's go for it with trappist and luzi. [09:04] I think, in general, them being an Ubuntu member or actively trying is a good rule === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] Burgundavia, if someone only likes documentation, it's difficult to become an ubuntu member without first getting on the docteam, I think [09:05] "actively trying" might be ok though. albeit tricky to judge [09:06] actively trying is "on the list and wants to become a member" [09:07] if they express no interest in becoming an ubuntu member, I question why they are even trying to help us [09:07] sure [09:08] are there Xubuntu LiveCDs yet? [09:08] not yet [09:09] the building of xubuntu cds has been delayed until everything in xubuntu-meta is in main [09:09] ah [09:10] which I believe just happened, so after flight 6 I believe it will be turned on [09:10] cool [09:13] ok, that is broken. OO.o stores their recovery files in tmp, which doesn't help when the power dies [09:18] Burgundavia: somewhat related to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/33444 === Burgundavia is going to open a bug "OO.o is shite. It must die. Kthxbye" [09:19] Burgundavia: lol [09:20] I heard of a company in Redmond that ship a great office product :) [09:20] here is another fun one --> tell where I search for the bug database on this page: http://qa.openoffice.org/issuelinks.html [09:20] no thanks [09:20] gotta love their bug tracker [09:20] even the OO.o people bitch about their infrastructure === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] wow, that is cool. Not only does this movie crash totem, it also crashes gdb [09:39] OK, that's odd - I can't get XDG's Common Tasks chapter to display in Yelp/Breezy [09:39] robitaille: do you have the various gstreamer plugins enabled? can you download http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/vforvendetta/Super_Bowl_1280.zip and confirm that it crashes? === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [09:43] anyone else want to try the XDG in Yelp? [09:44] Madpilot: moment [09:45] Madpilot: works [09:45] robotgeek, Breezy or Dapper? === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-181-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:46] dapper [09:47] Madpilot: sorry, i did not see your comment [09:47] hmm. bug in Yelp/Breezy, then. it validates, so I'll just commit the thing... :P [09:54] OK, another XDG commit done, just for the heck of it [09:57] how do we cut and paste tables in oo, it's too tough for me [09:58] robotgeek: first you take a knife and hold out your wrist. Then you press down and cut, opening the vein. This would be less painful that using OO.o [10:00] yes. it is actually that frustrating [10:00] i find it easier in xml/latex [10:05] Burgundavia: that Super Bowl ad crashes for me using totem-gstreamer in Dapper [10:05] robitaille: cool, I will file [10:06] Burgundavia: it also crashes gxine and vlc. I think there is something wrong with that movie [10:08] robitaille: might be [10:09] i can't see the video, even on vlc [10:11] Madpilot, the thunar entity isn't defined [10:11] I'll fix, if that's ok [10:12] sure - what did I leave out, though? it's in xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent [10:12] it's in the wrong directory :) should be in menus/C [10:14] it still doesn't look great in yelp, because there is no title on the sect1 heading [10:14] gah, I just created it in menus/... bleh [10:15] That's what I get for messing with a new set of docs at midnight after a long day :P [10:15] heh [10:15] wow this guy knows what he is doing, Makefile looks good === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-181-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] Morning [10:18] yo [10:18] yo ho ho [10:18] Anyone got links handy for the Ubuntu Documentation things translatable in Rosetta? [10:19] mpt_, they are not there yet [10:20] How are they going to be processed into a format Rosetta understands? [10:20] mpt_, using xml2po [10:20] thanks [10:21] mpt_, why do you ask? [10:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation mpt_ [10:22] mdke, because the Ubuntu-Women are trying to use Rosetta to translate stuff [10:22] and I think they're translating only wiki pages, so Rosetta isn't really useful [10:22] I would agree [10:22] just reading that mail now [10:23] if she can get pot files from the wiki pages, it can be done, I suppose [10:26] seems like a bit of a hassle to request a separate set of ubuntu-women translators for each language, though. [10:29] yeah [10:29] there's only about a dozen of them in total [10:30] and integrating with the existing Ubuntu teams isn't an option? [10:30] i know the italian team would welcome any new contributors [10:31] would anyone know offhand how to specify only certain xml tags for translation? [10:31] using xml2po, that is [10:32] you can't do it [10:32] you can include comments (in the usual way) though [10:33] okay, thanks [10:34] include the comment directly before the tag [10:35] why do you need it? [10:37] mdke: well, for easyubuntu descriptions [10:40] night, all [10:43] robotgeek, oh right, np [10:46] mdke: well, i can ask people to translate only the ones with label tags :) [10:47] the tags should get stripped out, no? [10:47] i mean, #: pkg-breezy-x86.xml:41(label) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:49] ah === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-154-16.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:50] anyways, back to stupid gui popping [10:51] robotgeek, you might be able to talk to the xml2po maintainer and ask if single tags can be specified, or if not, how difficult it would be to enable that functionality [10:52] mdke: well, i gotta get the program up and running first, translations should be a snap after that [10:52] robotgeek, :) === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-156-147.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:29] at the risk of being silly was it intentional that the directory in a users home directory called examples was all read only? I put the latest and greatest on my laptop last night went for the orange desktop and was happy :) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:51] ompaul, ECHAN? [12:03] mdke, ehh how to rephrase [12:03] ompaul, we don't look after example-content. But yes, I think it is intentional [12:03] ahh okay [12:04] cos it was sample docs and stuff I thought there might have been input from here :) [12:15] Jesus this dell site is so slow [12:29] k31th: praying won't make the internet faster === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCAFC73.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:44] :D [12:44] Using konquer works well on the dell site === sclark [n=sclark@HSE-London-ppp3510403.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz_libre [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.130] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:34] robotgeek_away: is the kubuntu updated and ready for an updated package build? [04:45] mdke: will you hate me forever if i have lost my password for svn ? === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:52] what licences does the ubuntu-doc team use? GNU FDL and one of the CC licences? [04:52] let me check [04:53] thanks. [04:53] i wasnt sure where to start looking [04:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License [04:54] thanks === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host235-236.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [06:17] jjesse, yeah [06:17] (not really, *hugs*) [06:18] i think when i wiped my hard drive and reinstalled dapper it got lost in one of my backups ;( [06:19] these things happen. Have you still got your gpg key? [06:20] i think so [06:20] i can find it from a back [06:20] up [06:20] just make sure you've got it (A60BF16A) and I'll ask elmo to resend your password === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:57] jjesse, any luck? [07:01] -> home === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:26] mdke: yes i have my key === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host123-174.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:10] jjesse: ping [08:10] robotgeek: pong [08:11] jjesse: for the kubuntu-docs package? i'm sure that we will be getting more changes as the week goes, but i guess abuild would be ok [08:12] robotgeek: riddell was working for a build for flight6 [08:12] was/is === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:18] jjesse: okay. 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