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sistpotyhi folks12:11
crimsun'lo sistpoty12:11
ajmitchhi12:18
LaserJockhi sistpoty12:19
sistpotyhi LaserJock, hi ajmitch12:19
sistpotyhi crimsun12:19
bddebianHeya sistpoty, crimsun, ajmitch, LaserJock.... :-)12:21
ajmitchthe man is here!12:21
sistpotyhi bddebian12:22
ajmitchbddebian: got some stuff to upload today?12:22
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bddebianYeah, sure.. gnumach ;-P12:23
ajmitchI mean real stuff12:23
ajmitchfor ubuntu12:23
bddebianNo, I suck :-(12:24
ajmitchno, you're just as lazy as I am ;)12:24
ajmitchthough by now your karma has decayed quite a bit, since you need a kick in the rear to get working again ;)12:25
sistpotybtw.: I noticed some strange karma jumps last week...12:26
ajmitchrebalancing12:27
ajmitchnow translators don't get super-karma compared to everyone else12:27
sistpotyah... I personally liked the rebalancing that gave me > 50k karma *g*12:28
ajmitchyeah12:28
ajmitchI'm back up to 23k though12:28
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sistpoty~ 16k12:28
AmaranthKarma:  71012:29
Amaranth:(12:29
Amaranthpeople need to file more bugs on alacarte that i can reject or dupe :P12:29
bddebianajmitch: Aye, am I negative yet? :-(12:31
ErlangAmaranth: okay12:32
ajmitchbddebian: not yet..12:39
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Se7hhi, is there any build-dep to be able to check libraries on the system?12:53
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Riddellwho owns ubotu?01:23
TheMusoRiddell: Someone on the ubuntu-au team I think.01:28
Amaranthcafuego02:03
Amaranthwhy? want him in #kubuntu?02:04
Toadstoolre02:05
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monziehi all02:13
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Toadstoolgood night02:24
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^Odd^hi i was wondering what i do with this patch for streamtuner? streamtuner-0.99.99-live365.diff03:15
^Odd^i don't know if i am supposed to exicute it or place it some where can some one please help me?03:15
Erlangwhere did  you get it?03:16
^Odd^from the streamtuner site03:16
^Odd^i clicked about in the title bar of stream tuner and a link poped up and i followed it03:17
^Odd^there is no instructions but i know that i need that patch03:17
^Odd^live 365 changed there login and i cannot get in with streamtuner03:17
^Odd^http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/03:18
^Odd^is where it came from03:18
Erlangdid you fill a bug explaining this?03:18
^Odd^um no why would i have to?03:18
^Odd^it's just a patch that goes somewhere i would imagine03:19
^Odd^i just don't have the knowledge as to what to do with it03:19
ErlangBecause that patch would probably benifit all the users of streamtuner.03:19
^Odd^i got it from there site03:19
^Odd^other can as well can't they?03:19
Erlangwell, others would be like you and have no clue what to do with it :D03:20
^Odd^i thought bug reports where for important things like the nvidia drivers being broken lol03:20
^Odd^ahh03:20
^Odd^ok how about you help me figure out what to do with it and i will include it in a howto and in a bug report?03:20
Erlang^Odd^: What you say is that streamtuner is broken for Live365.  That may not be a critical bug, but that's a bug nonetheless.03:20
^Odd^that way people can go to the ubuntu forums and see it and get help from both places03:21
^Odd^ok i see03:21
^Odd^i did not know lol03:21
^Odd^as used to linux as i am getting there are still something that are new to me03:21
^Odd^i am always afraid that i will get yelled at or something03:21
^Odd^where do i file a bug report?03:21
Erlanghttps://launchpad.net/malone03:22
Erlangcould you give me the exact url to that patch?03:22
^Odd^this should be fun i have never done this before03:22
^Odd^yea sure ^_^03:22
ErlangI'm gonna do the required steps on my PC first.03:22
^Odd^http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/streamtuner/streamtuner-0.99.99-live365.diff03:23
ErlangIt shouldn't be that hard, but you'll see after that why people won't want to do it themselves.03:23
^Odd^i will start work on my first bug report >.<03:23
^Odd^oh ok03:23
Erlangwait a minute, that patch seems already in the source.03:26
Erlang^Odd^: What version of Ubuntu are you using?03:27
^Odd^breezy03:27
Erlangthat explains it.  the patch you are talking about is already integrated in package distributed in the next version of Ubuntu03:28
^Odd^so do not submit the report?03:28
^Odd^and is nvidias agp support problem going to be fixed as well in the next release?03:29
^Odd^as nvidia drivers have broken the agp support for my system03:29
Erlangwell, I'm not sure of what I say yet... please file the bug, we'll just close it turns out to be not revelant.03:29
Erlang^Odd^: I'm not aware of all the issues yet.03:30
^Odd^ok03:30
Erlang^Odd^: Has Live365 support (whatever that is) been broken for a long time or just recently?03:31
^Odd^i just thought i would try to get my system fixed lol i am always bragging how ubuntu is awesome for games native and non native03:31
^Odd^about a month i have noticed03:31
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Erlangthen that patch probably won't cut it.  the patch you have has been integrated in the Breezy package too.03:31
^Odd^really\03:32
^Odd^then how come it does not work03:32
Erlangyeah, it's old.03:32
^Odd^oh ok03:32
^Odd^see i don't know these things lol03:32
ErlangThey might have changed the site again.03:32
^Odd^not trying to be offencive or rude03:32
LaserJockin a bash script how do I check if a directory does not exist?03:32
^Odd^that might have03:32
Erlang^Odd^: You bug report only becomes more revelant.03:33
^Odd^oh ok03:33
^Odd^so what should i put in there i can pastebin what i have so far03:33
^Odd^i want this to be something productive that can help others03:33
Se7him gonna in the middle just to ask a small thing. Why doesn't the pbuilder detect some libs he's supposed to ?03:34
Erlangjust provide as much detail you can about that what is working, what is not working, when it stopped working and such.03:34
Se7h(might be some build dep)03:34
sistpotyLaserJock: if [! -d yourdirectory] ; then... at least iirc ;)03:34
Se7hhi LaserJock03:34
LaserJocksistpoty: ! -e is for files?03:34
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Erlang^Odd^: If there is any information missing, the person triaging your bug will ask for more information.  You'll receive notification by email.03:34
TheMusoLaserJock: man test03:35
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sistpotyLaserJock: man test ([ is a symlink to test, though it usually is a shell-builtin which behaves identically)03:35
LaserJockTheMuso: thanks dude03:35
TheMusoThe [ program is basically the same as test.03:35
^Odd^ok03:35
Erlang^Odd^: but if you link this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341531, in your report, there shouldn't be much information to add since this is a bug report on Debian which may explain things.03:35
UbugtuDebian bug 341531 in streamtuner "Subject: streamtuner: categories incorrectly parsed in Live365 plugin" [Normal,Open] 03:35
LaserJockyeah, I was just wondering -d vs. -e I had the [ part ;-)03:35
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Erlangthank you Ubugtu.03:36
Hobbseehi all03:36
TheMusoHey Hobbsee.03:36
TheMusoDid you get anywhere with warped?03:36
Hobbseenope03:36
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^Odd^shoot there going to send it to the wrong email address03:37
^Odd^thank you all for helping me i really appriciate it03:37
Erlangnp03:37
ajmitchhello Hobbsee03:37
Hobbseehi ajmitch :)03:37
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^Odd^is lurking allowd here so i can learn? it seems pritty geeky here "in the good sence of the word"03:38
sistpoty^Odd^: sure ;)03:38
TheMuso^Odd^: Many of us idle here most of the time. Feel free to stick around.03:38
^Odd^thanx your also welcome in any of the channels that i am in03:38
^Odd^if you want03:38
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bddebianLater gang03:39
^Odd^if any of you hate windoze then #winflame is a good place to trash it03:39
ajmitchbye bddebian03:39
sistpotycya bddebian03:39
Erlang^Odd^: I'm past the "Windows suck! Linux rulez!" age.  I've become more moderate ;D03:39
^Odd^well i have used windows most of my life03:40
^Odd^and for some reason it just wasent doing it for me to many bsod03:40
ajmitchHobbsee: anything new & exciting at uni today? :)03:40
Hobbseeajmitch: not really - i was pretty much so sick due to tiredness that i was about to collapse...so that kinda sucked...03:40
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^Odd^then i herd about linux and ubuntu so i decided to give it a try and quickly realized that pirating windowz and it's software was not a good thing03:40
Hobbseehehe!  i agree with you Mithrandir!  what meeting is that early?03:41
Se7h^Odd^ wise choice :)03:41
^Odd^it's nice haveing ubuntu on my box the peace of mind knowing that all of my software is legit and mine is nice03:41
^Odd^and all my freinds think i am uber smart because i use ubuntu and i tell them that it's not hard03:41
Se7hahahah03:41
ajmitchHobbsee: let me guess, got to bed about 3am?03:41
^Odd^so has anyone herd of the nvidia agp problem?03:41
MithrandirHobbsee: distro team meeting.  Rotates six hours each week, and this week it's the "let's make it suck for the europeans" week03:41
ajmitchMithrandir: excellent!03:42
Hobbseeah yep, fun03:42
^Odd^roflmao03:42
^Odd^thats awsome03:42
Hobbseeajmitch: no, i actually went to bed at around 12.30am last night...03:42
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Se7ho.0 Mithrandir03:42
^Odd^from what i can tell all sis chipsets are busted with the new nvidia drivers03:42
ajmitchHobbsee: that's rather early03:42
Se7hi'm european.....oops?03:42
Hobbseei know03:42
^Odd^glx will not function and all the other modules are way way tooo slow03:43
Hobbseethink it was the endless lots of 2am falling asleep...03:43
ajmitchyeah03:43
^Odd^and vesa is kinda busted as well03:43
ajmitchnot healthy03:43
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^Odd^no matter what i do the glx module will not load it refuses to03:43
Erlang^Odd^: I don't know really.  I don't always do thing the "Ubuntu-way".03:43
^Odd^lol03:43
^Odd^i don't know any other way lol03:43
^Odd^i tryed suse becasue of the agp support problem and mlech03:44
^Odd^it was horrible even with the gnome interface03:44
Erlangbrb, bigass Debian update.03:44
^Odd^for some reason the only os i use and feel comfy in is ubuntu all the others scare me or suck03:45
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^Odd^how is this?03:47
^Odd^https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/streamtuner/+bug/3726903:47
UbugtuMalone bug 37269 in streamtuner "broken live365 link sighn in" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 03:47
^Odd^holy shit03:47
^Odd^wow that was quick03:47
^Odd^lol03:47
^Odd^http://kisain.deviantart.com/03:49
^Odd^thought you all would like to see what i have done to my ubuntu03:50
ErlangWhy didn't you provide the correct email address first?03:51
^Odd^becassue i logged in with my old account forgot i created one there a long time ago03:53
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^Odd^it was just luck that the sites desighn remided me of it03:53
Erlangcan't you change it? because emails are sent automatically by the system when someone append things to the bug report.03:54
^Odd^how?03:54
^Odd^theres a way? O_O03:54
Erlangin the profile I guess...03:54
^Odd^i'll check03:54
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Erlangit's not03:56
Erlangthe page doesn't exist.03:56
^Odd^oh wonder why it told me diffrent.....not text but for my name in the header03:56
^Odd^ok fixed03:58
^Odd^should i create a wiki on me? lol that would be kind of neat03:58
^Odd^or useless03:58
Erlangdo as you please, that's a wiki03:59
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^Odd^i thought a wiki was a conglomeration of technical info03:59
Erlangnot exactly.03:59
^Odd^like an online encyclopedia if you wil03:59
Erlanga wiki is a site everyone can edit, it's not bound by the content.04:00
^Odd^oh ok04:00
^Odd^thats neat04:00
Erlangnow if you please, I need to work :D04:00
^Odd^ok04:00
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robertjwhat could cause build/release-linux-x86 instead of build/release-linux-i386 to be created?04:10
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sistpotyrobertj: hm...? in what context?04:13
robertjby dh_installdirs I guess04:13
sistpotyrobertj: not really sure... dpkg-architecture semantics had changed some time ago, maybe from that? (though I don't see x86 in there)04:15
robertjhrmm, crazy Makefile it appears04:15
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Kyralanyone know where I can get my hands on AutoMake 1.604:48
HobbseeKyral: why 1.6?  most of the others are in the repos...04:49
KyralBecause this damn Window Deco needs it04:49
Kyraltrying to compile the "Serenity" deco04:51
sistpotyKyral: 1.6 was removed (though I don't know for what reason)04:52
Mithrandirit's obsolete.04:54
sistpotywell, there is 1.{4789}... I guess 1.4 -> 1.5 had some big incompatible changes, so that's the reason 1.4 is still there?04:55
Mithrandircorrect04:58
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KyralMithrandir: tell that to the program05:17
Kyralanyway....I just grabbed it and compiled it05:17
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Hobbseebug 1234505:28
UbugtuMalone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234505:28
ajmitchheh05:28
ajmitchplaying with the bot again?05:28
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sistpotygn8 everyone05:33
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KyralNight MOTUish people07:36
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lucashi motus09:47
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siretarthi lucas09:48
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lucassiretart: I just assigned a bug to motu-uvf. would be great if you could review it since I have some time to work on it right now09:57
dholbachhm? time to work on it? didn't you start doing the package yet?09:58
siretartdholbach: this is bug 3728909:59
UbugtuMalone bug 37289 in python-libgmail "UVF exception" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3728909:59
siretartdholbach: he argues that the diffstat and buildlog wouldn't matter, because there is only one reverse depends and the package is broken currently anyway. it couldn't get any more broken09:59
dholbachplease attach that information10:00
dholbachend of story10:00
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lucasdone.10:03
Gloubiboulgamorning10:04
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lucasnote that this package is an interesting example of universe brokeness : the gmailfs bug has been opened for a month and a half, and the updated package was uploaded to debian in november10:05
dholbachlucas: you know too that this has to do with the amount of people working in universe, right?10:06
lucasthis was not a rant, just a remark10:06
dholbachok, it sounded a bit bitter, that's why I said it10:07
Hobbseedholbach: do we have a specific way of searching for stuff that needs updating?  or is it just 'i've happened to notice it needs updating, i'll update it"?10:07
dholbachthe latter10:08
lucashowever, since the current amount of people working on universe doesn't seem to be enough to get universe in a "satisfying" state, maybe we should reconsider some of our processes10:08
lucasHobbsee: I use multidistrotools on subsets of the archive10:08
dholbachlucas: which processes are you referring to?10:08
lucashttp://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ruby-packages.html10:08
lucaswell, the fact that we fail to monitor updates of most packages is disturbing10:09
lucasmaybe we should enforce more "responsibilities"10:10
dholbachthat doesn't work10:10
lucaslike "lucas is in charge of monitoring ruby packages". "laserjock monitors science package".10:10
dholbachpeople do that already10:10
dholbachwhat do you want to do if they don't?10:10
lucasif we know the level of monitoring for each package, we also know which ones might not be monitored in a satisfying way10:10
lucasnothing10:10
lucasjust know that package X is not monitored by anybody10:11
dholbachhm10:11
dholbachyou can't give people 1000 package or something10:11
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dholbachpeople already are in teams or work on stuff that they like10:11
lucasbut they don't cover the whole archive10:11
dholbachI dislike the idea of coercing people into taking care of stuff that they don't care about (and pushing a high workload on them)10:13
lucasthe fact that python-libgmail is broken shows us that the python team is not working properly (ie in a satisfying way)10:13
dholbachmaybe nobody cares about the package10:13
lucassome users care10:13
dholbach"cares" as in "it doesn't matter"10:13
lucas(proof is, there's an UNCO bug against gmailfs for a month and a half)10:14
dholbachsame goes for bugs10:14
dholbachwe might have what? 5000 bugs for universe? more?10:14
lucasI know, but monitoring smaller subsets of packages make it manageable10:14
lucasI know about all open bugs against ruby packages10:14
lucashttp://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ruby-packages.html lists them all10:15
dholbachif people like doing that, they will do so, giving people hundreds of packages to take care of they don't care about will wear them out and not give them any fun10:15
dholbachdon't get me wrong, if somebody is all crazy about ruby and takes care of bugs and packages, I appreciate that10:15
dholbachbut it's nothing I'd every try to enforce10:16
Toadstoolhi everybody10:16
lucasit's the "how much can we depend on volunteers" debate again :)10:18
lucasanyway10:18
lucaswhat about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-libgmail/+bug/37289 ?10:18
UbugtuMalone bug 37289 in python-libgmail "UVF exception" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 10:18
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kelmo_laphey siretart ; )11:00
siretartkelmo_lap: hey Kel!11:04
kelmo_lapsiretart, i just started thinking about your last mail, about providing a defaul conffile for wpa_sup11:05
kelmo_lapdefault*11:05
siretartkelmo_lap: I don't there there is any sane default. we cannot guess passwords ;)11:05
kelmo_lapi think it is bad todo so11:05
kelmo_lapeven more than that:11:05
kelmo_lapdo we really want dpkg to show differences (along with passwords) when wpasupplicant upgrades each time?11:06
siretartI completely agree with you11:06
kelmo_lapthat is a security risk, albeit quite small11:06
siretartI was about to remove debian/wpasupplicant.defconf from trunk/11:06
kelmo_lapsec11:06
kelmo_lapi made changes already11:06
siretartoh. Isee11:06
kelmo_lapi think we should keep that file in examples11:07
kelmo_lapas it is nice and small11:07
kelmo_lapand convinient for users to base their own on11:07
kelmo_lapwhat do you think?11:07
siretartperhaps we can dump it to /usr/share/doc/examples/wpa_connect_open_ap.conf11:07
siretartkelmo_lap: I agree with you. In fact, I already added a note suggesting that in README.Debian11:08
kelmo_laphmm, your choice, let me just remove some unneccessary code then11:08
siretartok, then lets move that to examples11:08
kelmo_lapjust as is?11:08
kelmo_lapi also excepted it from compression, do you think that is ok or not?11:09
siretartwith name wpa_connect_open_ap.conf and perhaps a note about security implications as comments in the headers11:09
kelmo_lapah, k11:09
kelmo_lapno problem11:09
siretart:)11:09
=== siretart likes wpacli-action-skeleton :)
siretartnicely documented, perfect for basing local configuration11:10
kelmo_lapi reverted what i did for wpa_defconf11:10
kelmo_lapso its a clean slate11:10
kelmo_lapmaybe rename it11:11
kelmo_lapthen just add it to *.examples11:11
kelmo_lapcase closed11:11
siretartok. I'm on it11:11
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kelmo_lapbbl, dinner11:13
siretartcommited11:14
j^wpasupplicant is configured by network-manager or in /etc/network/interfaces now11:21
siretartj^: right11:23
siretartj^: kelmo and me are working for ifupdown integration and documentation on the wpasupplicant side11:23
siretartj^: wpasupplicant won't start by default any longer. this makes integration with nm way easier11:23
j^ah ok, documentation is always good to have11:24
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Hobbseeis the launchpad search borked *again*, or is it just me?11:27
ajmitchHobbsee: which part of it?11:29
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Hobbseeajmitch: bug searching - particularly the ones that are assigned to me, or that i wrote11:29
ajmitchHobbsee: advanced search works11:30
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Hobbseei thought that was what i tried11:30
dholbachhttp://launchpad.net/people/<login>/+reportedbugs http://launchpad.net/people/<login>/+assignedbugs11:30
ajmitchthe links on the side portlets are a little broken, I talked with bradb about it earlier11:30
kelmo_lapsiretart, just read your mail11:30
Hobbseeah ok11:30
siretartkelmo_lap: ok. I just tried the new timeout feature for the action script11:33
siretartkelmo_lap: excellent work, as always :)11:34
kelmo_lapit lays the framework, for future stuff, i think11:34
siretartbut the example with dhcp only works here like a charm. I love it :)11:34
kelmo_lapbut now is a good time to focus on the final bits of a release11:34
siretartkelmo_lap: whats left for an upload to unstable?11:35
kelmo_lapsiretart, well, nothing that cannot be added afterward (documentaion, menu file for wpagui, other minor things)11:35
kelmo_lapsiretart, but i would like a couple of hours just to go over a few things11:35
kelmo_lapi do not expect any changes, however11:36
siretartkelmo_lap: we could upload another preview release to dapper for letting the dapper ppl beta testing it11:36
siretart;)11:36
kelmo_lapwell, just a little patience for a code review, and you can request it get uploaded anywhere you like ; )11:37
siretartkelmo_lap: ah, one more thing. perhaps.11:37
siretartkelmo_lap: currently, the preinst only removes obsolete conffiles when upgrading from << 0.4.8-111:38
siretartI'm not sure anymore why we have that restriction11:38
kelmo_lapthen remove it11:38
siretartok. will do11:39
kelmo_lapon a side note, pkg-madwifi is getting ready to push madwifi-ng into debian/experimental11:39
siretartcool :)11:40
kelmo_lapthis also has consequences with wpasupplicant, as you are aware11:40
kelmo_lapbut we'll deal with that in due time11:40
siretartkelmo_lap: btw, did you read that comment regarding that patch for specifying includes for madwifi-ng?11:40
kelmo_lapno, where was it?11:41
kelmo_lapuness you speak of the oldish debian bug i replied to11:41
siretarton the list, wait, I'll look11:41
siretartno11:41
siretartkelmo_lap: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354388,  last comment11:43
UbugtuDebian bug 354388 in wpasupplicant "Subject: wpasupplicant: please recompile with madwifi-dev" [Wishlist,Open] 11:43
kelmo_lapisn;t my reply at the bottom of that report?11:43
kelmo_lapthat guy was misinformed11:43
siretartno, I don't see any reply from you there. could you please bounce it?11:44
kelmo_laphmm11:44
siretartkelmo_lap: would it be possible to have 2 backends, one called 'madwifi-old' and one called 'madwifi-ng'?11:44
kelmo_lapsiretart, i already spoke to Jouni about this, as part of my testing/patching/support of madwifi-ng, when it was first able to use wpa_supplicant11:45
kelmo_laphe simply stated, no, he will not maintain two seperate pieces of madwifi code todo that11:46
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kelmo_lapand i think it would be foolish to go against his advice, that is just my opinion11:47
kelmo_lapof course it is a pain11:47
kelmo_lapbut one we must deal with responsibly11:47
siretartok, cancel that idea then11:48
kelmo_lapafter all, madwifi *is* an experimental, non-free driver11:48
kelmo_lapuntil it makes a release, its hard to bend over backwards for it11:48
siretartI see us end up with wpasupplicant in unstable being compiled against madwifi and in experimental compiled against madwifi-ng..11:49
kelmo_lapor else you will surely take on more work than you expected11:49
siretartI see11:49
kelmo_lapsiretart, i think so yes11:49
kelmo_lapbu in experimental, we will also use the 0.5 branch again, i suppose11:49
kelmo_lapthat work i am happy todo11:50
siretartok11:50
kelmo_lapi would not like to be responsible for maintaining a forked piece of code, without upstreams blessing11:50
kelmo_laphmm11:51
kelmo_lapi _really_ like the last idea on that bug report11:51
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kelmo_laphowever11:52
kelmo_lapthat me be wrong in the eyes of debian-policy, i am not sure11:53
kelmo_lapit certainly touches on that area of policy => non-free11:53
siretarthm11:53
kelmo_lapanyway, something to think about in a week or two11:54
kelmo_laplets not get sidetracked ; )11:54
siretartok11:55
siretartthis means that I currently wait for an answer from Jouni about http://launchpad.net/bugs/37070, and depending on his answer, we can upload to unstable, right?11:56
UbugtuMalone bug 37070 in network-manager "wpasupplicant talks a bit TO much" [Critical,Needs info] 11:56
Mithrandirslomo_: you're aware that your quodlibet-plugins made it uninstallable?11:56
TheMusoWow! Amazing how an OpenOffice update causes one to have to download 74MB. :)11:59
kelmo_lapsiretart, hmm, not sure where th problem is there (wpa_sup / nm), but it certainly is no showstopper for me12:02
kelmo_lapnot a good problem however12:02
siretartok12:03
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siretartkelmo_lap: well, ok, then lets check that all bugs which should get fixed with this upload actually gets closed in the *changes file and get this one uploaded to unstable12:08
siretartah no, I wait for response from Jouni, sorry12:08
siretartanyway, need to work on my other project right now :P12:09
kelmo_lapwell, also allow me the chance to finish checking too ; )12:09
kelmo_lapno probs12:09
siretartsure. double checking is always a good idea12:09
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Hobbseebug 1071012:52
Hobbseebug 3071012:52
kelmo_lapsiretart, btw, imho, you do not need to move a manpage to another section, when you move that binary from sbin to bin12:56
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siretartkelmo_lap: err, which manpage are you talking about?12:57
kelmo_lapwpa_gui(8) (found an old reply from you on google ;)12:59
kelmo_lapsorry for being a bit out of the blue ; )12:59
siretartok, but wpagui is still in /usr/sbin/, isn't it?01:00
kelmo_lapyes, it has not moved01:01
kelmo_lapbut i could see it in either sbin or bin01:02
siretarthm. really?01:02
siretartI think of it rather than an administrative utility01:03
kelmo_lapyeah, me too01:03
kelmo_lapbut i could be persuaded either way01:03
siretartbecause you need priviledges to use it. lets leave it it /usr/sbin for now01:03
kelmo_lapyep, thats fine01:03
crimsunit makes no sense for normal users to be able to execute it, so it doesn't belong in /usr/bin01:04
siretartwell, in fact, it does start when unpriviledged. but the same reasoning applies to /sbin/ifconfig as well01:04
siretartah, hi crimsun01:04
crimsun(hi, just popping in for a few secs)01:04
kelmo_lapit could start if you were ina gruop defined in wpa's conffile01:05
kelmo_lapgroup*01:05
kelmo_lapthen the ctrl_interface would be usable01:05
kelmo_lapto someone in that group01:05
kelmo_lapanyway, i was only commenting on the manpage aspect of that topic ; )01:06
siretartthats how I use it on my laptop01:06
siretartbut thats local configuration which needs to be specified in the wpa_supplicant.conf, and from a packaging standpoint of view, there isn't much we can do about that01:06
kelmo_lapsure, enough already ; )01:07
siretartok :)01:07
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kelmo_lapsiretart, would you mind if i forked a new experimental branch at this stage, 0.5.X and support for madwifi-ng (will work on that other idea in the future maybe) at the old location?01:17
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siretartkelmo_lap: I'd rather say update our current experimental branch with what we have in trunk/ and work on that01:25
kelmo_lapok, then i'll give more thought about the other idea in that case, at another time01:26
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kelmo_lapbut be sure, i'll be asking the question again when we upload madwifi-ng to debian/experimental ; )01:26
siretartok. thanks :)01:30
siretartajmitch: that would be awesome. did you contribute something?01:30
kelmo_lapgn801:32
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Hobbseenight all...01:33
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ajmitchsiretart: nope01:37
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ajmitchjust waiting for another one to build01:39
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StevenKWhee, my launchpad bug has been commited.02:07
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ajmitchStevenK: lucky you02:08
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StevenKajmitch: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3516002:19
UbugtuMalone bug 35160 in launchpad "Merge result notification could be worded better" [Normal,Fix committed] 02:19
ajmitchubuntu bug count is keeping fairly steady at the moment, though we need more people fixing bugs :)02:21
ajmitchdown to 9614 open02:21
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StevenKajmitch: I feel like fixing one, but not looking for one. :-P02:28
ajmitcheven I've managed to fix bugs02:33
ajmitchand you know how uselessly lazy I am ;)02:33
StevenKHeh02:37
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KyralMorning02:39
siretartRiddell: what do you think about having qt 4.1.1 in universe? I tried to compile lastfm, but is seems unhappy with 4.1.0, which we currently have02:41
Riddellsiretart: sure, go for it, but go to 4.1.2 if you're doing it02:44
siretartRiddell: uuh, I see. well, I'd make sure to double check because there are tons of reverse dependencies on that.02:46
siretartif someone whants to go ahead of me, just do :)02:46
Riddellthere's all of 4 reverse dependencies on qt402:52
siretartoh. I see02:52
cacihi02:59
cacinot sure about the procedures here... i just attached a fix to bug #33362. i guess now i just have to wait until a MOTU comes along an uploads it?03:00
UbugtuMalone bug 33362 in resolvconf "Runtime directory does not exist during /etc/rcS1.d/08loopback setup" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3336203:00
caciyeah, that one :-)03:00
dholbachcaci: assign it to motureviewers03:00
cacithanks03:01
lucashas somebody already played with gmailfs ?03:03
lucasI'm not sure whether it doesnt work because it's broken, or if I'm not doing the right thing to make it work03:03
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bugadholbach: in what order do you process bugs assigned to motureviewers? I reported a bug and attached a trivial patch too, a debdiff is attached by an ubuntu developer and he reassigned the bug to motureviewers, but the process is stalled here. :(03:12
ajmitchbuga: what package? there's quite a lot of patches that we have to review, sadly (82 that are open/fix committed)03:13
dholbachat the moment I daresay I don't find much time for motureviewers03:13
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bugaajmitch: it's bug #34890 in openntpd.03:14
UbugtuMalone bug 34890 in openntpd "openntpd doesn't start on dapper, due to /var/run being mounted tmpfs" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3489003:14
ajmitchok03:15
ToadstoolI've added one or two patches like this one to launchpad too ;)03:16
cacihehe that tmpfs is a constant source of joy :-)03:18
Toadstool:)03:18
ajmitchyep03:19
lucasdholbach: gmails _should_ work (there's no bug opened in debian, and the maintainer seems to care a lot). however, I can't make it work, and I'm tired of trying. what should I do :03:24
lucas(a) keep the version in ubuntu that we know doesnt work03:24
lucas(b) sync the debian version that might work, even if I haven't been able to make it work03:25
lucass/gmails/gmailfs/03:25
dholbachif you seem to have a package you could upload it to launchpad and ask the reporters to test03:27
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truz24lucas, gmailfs doesn' work ?03:40
truz24in dapper?03:40
lucasI dunno03:40
lucasthe package currently in dapper doesnt work for sure03:40
lucas1/ the version of python-libgmail was broken, I synced a new version from debian, which works (tested)03:41
lucas2/ but the version of python-libgmail in dapper is now incompatible with the version of gmailfs in dapper03:41
lucas3/ gmailfs in debian seems to work (no bug reports + a caring maintainer), but I couldn't get it to work in dapper03:42
lucashowever, I never played with gmailfs before, so I don't know if I'm doing something wrong03:42
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trappistshould bugs that were reported on breezy, and fixed or n/a in dapper, be closed?03:58
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trappistalso, the last couple of times I tried to generate a debdiff, the diff only included my changes to the changelog.  what could I be doung wrong?04:09
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bddebianHeya gang04:30
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Se7his there any date preview on the an update for 'farsight' ?06:12
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pefhello !07:36
Gloubiboulgasalut pef ;)07:38
pefGloubiboulga: salut :) suis content, j'ai de nouveau du temps libre07:39
Gloubiboulgapef, bonne nouvelle, on te voyait plus beaucoup...07:39
pefGloubiboulga: en effet :/ maintenant faut que je me remette dans le bain07:41
Gloubiboulga:)07:41
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littlepaulping dholbach07:51
dholbachlittlepaul: pong07:52
truz24who put "maximise" instead of "maximize" in the gnome menus?07:53
truz24I guess we're all moving to the UK version of ubuntu?07:53
littlepauldholbach, just searched fridge and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Report. The last Report was sent in january. Are there further Reports planed?07:53
dholbachsure there are07:54
dholbachbut nobody stepped up to write them :(07:54
dholbachand i got very busy07:54
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Tonio_hi ;)07:54
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robertjhow can I rerun dh_installdocs instead of doing dpkg-buildpackage and waiting for the clean, compile, etc again?08:26
Gloubiboulgayou can use the -nc option08:27
robertjthx08:28
Gloubiboulgabut don't forget to build the package with pbuilder or something like that ;)08:28
Gloubiboulgamy pbuilder is broken btw, it always wants xlibs-deb 7.0.0-0ubuntu1808:29
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Gloubiboulgais there any way to fix that without recreating everything?08:29
robertjGloubiboulga: I think it's going to be a long time before I get this package to a pbuilder :(08:30
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Gloubiboulgarobertj, if you work on the dh_installdocs stuff, you've already done the biggest part of the work I guess08:35
robertjGloubiboulga: no I commented out the biggest part of the work ;)08:36
Gloubiboulgahehe08:36
robertjgrg08:39
robertjbbiab08:39
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ErlangI just upload the fakesynced praat 4.4.14-1build1 on REVU if anyone cares.  upid: 222608:48
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Tonio_slomo_: ping ?09:08
slomo_Tonio_: pong09:09
Tonio_slomo_: I said you stupid things concerning the autostart .desktop for beagle :) it needs a very few modifications......09:09
Tonio_slomo_: can I send tou a diff ?09:10
Tonio_s/tou/you09:10
slomo_Tonio_: sure09:10
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slomo_Tonio_: where is it?09:20
Tonio_slomo_: I have a doubt on a kde option ;)09:20
Tonio_slomo_: I have to restart kde to test if that's okay09:20
Tonio_slomo_: I'll have it in 5 minutes09:21
slomo_Tonio_: ok, np :) just ping me when you have something to look at ;)09:21
Tonio_slomo_: okay ;)09:21
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LaserJockhi all, I have a question about wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU09:48
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LaserJockit says in Additional Rules:09:49
LaserJock"the package must be known to build on top of the main component of the current ubuntu stable release, it may require other packages already in universe"09:49
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LaserJockthat shouldn't be "current ubuntu *stable* release" should it?09:50
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trappistLaserJock: any idea why a debdiff of two .dsc files would only give me the changes to the changelog?10:07
LaserJocktrappist: if only the changelog was changed ;-)10:10
trappistnot the case10:13
trappistit happened the last two times I tried to use it10:13
LaserJockhmm, sure you have the right .dsc files10:14
trappistmade my changes, updated the changelog, said debuild -S, cd .. and debdiff this.dsc that.dsc10:14
trappistyeah, debuild -S made a new one for me (so I'm *pretty* sure)10:14
LaserJockhmm, that is odd.  usually the debdiff give you more than you want if anything10:14
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ajmitchmorning10:44
LaserJockhi ajmitch10:44
Mithrandirhi ajmitch10:44
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bddebianHeya ajmitch, LaserJock, Mithrandir10:48
ajmitchbddebian: ready to fix some bugs today?10:48
bddebianSure what'ya want me to break.. err a fix?10:49
ajmitchwe've got ~9600 open bugs in ubuntu10:49
ajmitchget to it10:49
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bddebianajmitch: Didn't the BugTeam fix them all already? :-)10:53
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.10:54
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ajmitchbddebian: no, that's your job10:56
bddebianHeh10:57
bddebianHello TheMuso10:57
ajmitchbddebian: we want to be down to ~9000 by monday if that's ok with you?10:57
bddebianSure, go for it :-)10:58
ajmitchthanks for volunteering10:59
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LaserJockgrrr, I've got a bash script problem11:17
LaserJockif I run the program from within the script (using variables) it doesn't run but if I echo the same thing and run it in the terminal it works11:19
ajmitchnice11:19
LaserJockhmm, ok I figured it out11:21
trappistLaserJock: try $(echo $yourstuff)11:22
LaserJockit was using a env variable that I was setting using export variable="/path/" but variable=/path/ works11:22
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