[12:05] <isomania> research and development is still on tha way
[12:05] <isomania> which is by the school it self
[12:05] <isomania> the school pay this project 
[12:05] <isomania> and i'm dead because solo lol ;p
[12:07] <isomania> the system also come with mobile checking
[12:07] <isomania> need major php brain in this
[12:08] <Burgwork> are you looking for people to help you on your project?
[12:08] <isomania> yes i am lol
[12:08] <Burgwork> is this project open source?
[12:08] <isomania> help wanted ;p
[12:09] <isomania> i can make it an open source
[12:09] <isomania> because it's mine ;p
[12:09] <isomania> it's really my solo work .. no kidding
[12:10] <isomania> but as you see i'm not good in php 
[12:11] <isomania> if you guys can help me please give me an idea before it has to be commercial
[12:11] <Pygi> python better ;)
[12:12] <isomania> ok ;)
[12:12] <isomania> anyways thank you for your time :)
[12:12] <Pygi> hm, ok, listen
[12:13] <Pygi> why don't you put ur project on sourceforge, give specs, invite people to help you out?
[12:14] <isomania> i started the research since 1999 and this is the key to malaysia government
[12:14] <isomania> if it's fall into the wrong hand they gonna make money 
[12:14] <isomania> that's y :)
[12:15] <isomania> pls read moe.gov.my
[12:15] <isomania> read the ICT project
[12:16] <isomania> also i have apply 5% of the software in kelantan government and i won
[12:17] <isomania> http://www.kelantan.gov.my/ppst/pemenangaplikasi05.htm
[12:17] <Burgwork> isomania, I am still a little confused about how we can help you
[12:18] <Burgwork> edubuntu can only support free and open source software and we (edubuntu) already has a school management tool, schooltool
[12:18] <isomania> i say at the school they install your edubuntu
[12:18] <isomania> say = saw lol
[12:18] <Burgwork> if you are looking for people to help you, as Pygi mentioned, list it on sourceforge
[12:18] <isomania> and interested the way you guys work .. i just trying my luck with the best team :)
[12:19] <Pygi> :-P
[12:20] <isomania> anyway thanks :) all the best guys .. 
[12:21] <isomania> ok guys i'm tired need some sleep thanks for your time
[12:22] <isomania> if you guys change your mind please contact me at my email and i'll be glad to give you more info
[12:22] <isomania> ery@eonline.com.my
[12:22] <Burgwork> isomania, it is not a matter of changing our mind. I am not certain what you need
[12:23] <Burgwork> it is a question of not understanding
[12:23] <isomania> oh
[12:23] <isomania> my motif is trying to get another edubuntu for malaysia school
[12:23] <isomania> which is integrated with my sms (school management system)
[12:24] <Burgwork> ah, so you need edubuntu to be able to support your sms?
[12:24] <isomania> yeah with a bit of little work
[12:24] <Burgwork> I would suggest emailing edubuntu-devel with a list of what edubuntu lacks
[12:25] <isomania> ah that's a great idiea
[12:26] <Burgwork> with the understanding that edubuntu can only support free and open source software in edubuntu itself
[12:26] <Burgwork> ie, if you need a pieces to get your sms to run that is not FLOSS, you will need to provide it yourself
[12:27] <isomania> sorry for my bugging and fast explaining because i'm in a state between comercialysing  or opensource
[12:27] <Burgwork> np
[12:27] <Burgwork> I would try and break your application into distinct pieces, so you can open source the majority and have closed source plugins
[12:28] <isomania> this sms is gonna memoradom of understanding with india & us company if i not try to open-source it
[12:28] <isomania> they also will provide the fund that's y i'm so fast explaining lol
[12:30] <isomania> what do you need from mee database structure?
[12:34] <isomania> ie, if you need a pieces to get your sms to run that is not FLOSS, you will need to provide it yourself <== oh
[12:35] <isomania> kk.. i try the edubuntu and make it intergrated
[12:35] <isomania> i'll be contacting you later and see what can be done so the merging can be solve
[12:36] <isomania> Thank you burgwork for explaining 
[01:09] -banbot:#edubuntu- lol g, join #bant0wn and get hugs visit http://binrev.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #edubuntu SUCKS
[01:09] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[01:09] <iGotNoTime> disappointing
[01:11] <iGotNoTime> Hey I am using GAIM for IRC and I don't like it, can anyone suggest a good IRC client other than Xchat ?
[01:11] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: do you want a GUI?
[01:11] <iGotNoTime> LaserJock: I assume it is easier to work with?
[01:11] <iGotNoTime> LaserJock:  do you use a CLI?
[01:12] <iGotNoTime> I would be willing to try one out :)
[01:12] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: a lot of people use irssi which is CLI
[01:12] <iGotNoTime> ok will try that one :)
[01:12] <LaserJock> it is incredibly powerful especially when you use it with screen
[01:12] <iGotNoTime> with screen?
[01:13] <LaserJock> I usually use xchat (if I feel GUI) or irssi (if I want to ssh into another box and chat)
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> can I have it run as my desktop background?
[01:13] <LaserJock> apt-cache show screen
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> like behind my gnome widget?
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> :D
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> thanks
[01:14] <LaserJock> screen is a really cool app if you do things CLI or ssh into your box
[01:14] <iGotNoTime> no never
[01:15] <iGotNoTime> but will look anyhow :)
[01:15] <LaserJock> if you do KDE it all konversation is a great irc client
[01:15] <iGotNoTime> ok
[01:15] <iGotNoTime> thanks for the help :)
[01:16] <LaserJock> np
[01:29] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: how's the testing going?
[01:29] <iGotNoTime> I gave up :P
[01:29] <iGotNoTime> Xchat it is
[01:29] <iGotNoTime> I don't like leaving terminal open
[01:30] <p4olo> http://linux-club.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=829
[01:31] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: lol, I live in terminals. I haven't seen an Ubuntu X for a couple weeks
[01:32] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[01:32] <iGotNoTime> I am too new :)
[01:32] <iGotNoTime> I still have cheat sheets for CLI commands all over my desk
[01:33] <LaserJock> ah
[01:33] <LaserJock> then I think xchat is probably the way to go
[07:18] <LNS> Hey ogra, you there?
[07:19] <LNS> Anybody have a URL to some nice pictures, presentations, slideshows or the like for Edubuntu? I have a demonstration tomorrow for it and I'd like some nice shtuff to show off...
[07:22] <mhz> LNS, did you check the wiki_
[07:22] <mhz> ?
[07:23] <mhz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Presentations
[07:23] <mhz> or ConferenceAppereance
[07:23] <mhz> or something
[07:23] <mhz> like that
[07:23] <mhz> LNS: I have only in spanish,and not here but at the office
[07:24] <LNS> thank you mhz
[07:24] <mhz> sorry for not helping you
[07:25] <LNS> no that was good, i'll check those out =) thanks!! i'm gonna try and make one too i think, a nice pdf
[09:00] <JaneW> spacey: ping
[09:00] <highvoltage> WenaJ iH
[09:01] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: are you bored on a Friday?
[09:01] <highvoltage> semitemos :aivadnagruB
[09:02] <highvoltage> i really, really needed another hour or two worth of sleep
[09:06] <spacey> JaneW: pong
[09:06] <spacey> early
[09:08] <JaneW> hi 
[09:08] <JaneW> egatlovhgiH olleH
[09:08] <JaneW> spacey: I just wanted to ask about the cookbook
[09:09] <spacey> pigy said he sent you a mail
[09:09] <JaneW> Pygi wasn;t very happy about the meeting
[09:09] <spacey> but i don't know whats in there
[09:09] <spacey> :p
[09:09] <spacey> meeting was quite useless
[09:09] <spacey> pigy and i were the only ones who prepared
[09:09] <JaneW> fwded mail to you
[09:10] <JaneW> do you think it can still happen?
[09:10] <spacey> ofcourse flint was starting rambling about other stuff as usual
[09:10] <spacey> we got some small suggestions from kjcole and hedgemage
[09:10] <spacey> but thats it
[09:10] <spacey> not real input
[09:10] <spacey> so
[09:11] <spacey> i was thinking about a small work meeting
[09:11] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with some of the things you said in your email
[09:11] <highvoltage> the cookbook project needs a strong leader, i don't know if we have someone that has really stepped up to that yet
[09:11] <spacey> with you, me, piggy and highvoltage or something
[09:12] <spacey> ah
[09:12] <spacey> see the mail now
[09:12] <spacey> not sure why he didn't sent it to me:p
[09:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: that implies that you didn't agree with others...? ;)
[09:13] <spacey> he is probably not too happy with me :P
[09:13] <JaneW> spacey: ah I feared flint would have been there!
[09:13] <JaneW> damn
[09:13] <JaneW> look this is a community project and anyone can and may speak up
[09:13] <JaneW> BUT flint hasn't taken ownership of anything
[09:14] <JaneW> and has explicitly told me he won't either
[09:14] <JaneW> so I think we should disregard him when he is merely being disruptive and causing trouble
[09:14] <JaneW> he enjoys conflict
[09:14] <JaneW> and we simply don;t have the time or resources to continually indulge in circular debates
[09:15] <JaneW> I am of the opinion that we get the damn thing done
[09:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: i actually just spead-read through it, so i can't say yet that I 100% agree with everything (yet)
[09:15] <JaneW> (as I have said numerous times)
[09:15] <spacey> highvoltage: read through what?
[09:15] <JaneW> it doesn;t have to be perfect
[09:15] <highvoltage> spacey: jane's mail
[09:15] <JaneW> it just has to be FINISHED
[09:15] <JaneW> once it is finished we can always improve on it
[09:15] <spacey> ah
[09:15] <highvoltage> there's a bunch of people who have food intentions that we shoudn't entirely exclude
[09:15] <Burgundavia> damn, I wish I had time to help you guys
[09:15] <spacey> i forgot to read the response
[09:16] <highvoltage> (good intentions)
[09:16] <JaneW> but to date we really have nothing to show after more than 6 months
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco made a good start initially, but simply didn;t have the time to commit to it
[09:16] <JaneW> Burgundavia: do it! ;)
[09:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: are you hungry?
[09:17] <highvoltage> i don't have time to help manage the edubuntu cookbook either :( if i had, i would've sorted it out ages ago
[09:17] <JaneW> yup
[09:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: perhaps more of a force of habit ;)
[09:17] <JaneW> so we need to either find
[09:17] <JaneW> 1) One person who has the time and ability to do it
[09:17] <JaneW> or
[09:17] <Burgundavia> JaneW: my editor would kill me
[09:17] <spacey> JaneW: i'm not sure what pygi's problem is with me. i find it wierd that he didn't sent the mail to me, maybe he misunderstands me, or was not happy how i handled the meeting.
[09:17] <JaneW> 2) A small group who are able to work together and split the load between them, to finish it together
[09:18] <JaneW> spacey: I dunno...
[09:22] <highvoltage> i think a very small group should just get *a* version done, doesn't have to be big, doesn't have to be fancy
[09:23] <highvoltage> then a larger group can work on polish and specific sections that they are interested in.
[09:23] <highvoltage> that would be both the fastest way, and...
[09:23] <highvoltage> and i've lost my train of though.
[11:30] <tttme> hello everybody
[11:32] <tttme> hello lns
[11:37] <tttme> leave bye
[11:39] <tttme> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg
[06:13] <highvoltage> channel ping
[06:15] <Yagisan> highvoltage: whats up ?
[06:16] <highvoltage> Yagisan: friday afternoon, just chilling a bit :)
[06:18] <highvoltage> Yagisan: and you?
[06:19] <Yagisan> highvoltage: saturday morning here. have a 1062MB upgrade to do :(
[06:19] <Yagisan> highvoltage: and I'm spearheading a copyright and license audit of a FLOSS project
[06:20] <highvoltage> geez!
[06:20] <highvoltage> Yagisan: happy april fools day to you then :)
[06:20] <Yagisan> is it ?
[06:20] <Yagisan> damm - I'm really out of it then
[06:21] <Yagisan> highvoltage: do you like auditing licenses ?
[06:22] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i haven't done it before, but from what i've read, it can get tedious, depending on what you have to do
[06:23] <highvoltage> Yagisan: does that include things like, checking the code for parts that belongs under an incompatible license?
[06:23] <Pygi> spacey: around?
[06:25] <Pygi> JaneW: ping
[06:25] <Yagisan> highvoltage: oh yes. exactly like that.  http://deng.sourceforge.net/blog/?p=33
[06:27] <Pygi> highvoltage: here?
[06:28] <highvoltage> Pygi: yep
[06:28] <highvoltage> Yagisan: looking...
[06:28] <Pygi> whats up?
[06:30] <highvoltage> getting ready for the weekend
[06:30] <highvoltage> i have lots of work planned for myself. need to get that organised.
[06:36] <Pygi> highvoltage: ah, we need to have a meeting soon
[06:37] <highvoltage> kiki click on "Edit", but it doesn't give me a place to change the user (by a co-incidence, ogra) into an administrator :/
[06:37] <highvoltage> bah, wrong window
[06:38] <Pygi> ogra: you here?
[06:41] <Pygi> highvoltage: have you rea new mail I just sent?
[06:41] <Pygi> s/rea/read
[06:41] <highvoltage> Pygi: let me check.. my mail is still downloading... should be here in a minute or so.
[06:43] <Yagisan> highvoltage: as you can see "fun" times ahead for me
[06:44] <highvoltage> Yagisan: yep, yep
[06:47] <Pygi> ogra: what is happenning to you? :P
[06:48] <highvoltage> ogra must have some heavy IRC withdrawel symptoms :)
[06:49] <highvoltage> Pygi: got it
[06:49] <highvoltage> Pygi: read it
[06:50] <Pygi> highvoltage: k, mind to respond if you have time?
[06:50] <highvoltage> Pygi: i feel that we should include everyone who wants to contribute, even though i do agree that a small team should dedicate some time to get the 1st version up
[06:50] <highvoltage> ok, will reply by e-mail
[06:51] <Pygi> highvoltage: I am still for the thing that we should write the book (three or four of us)
[06:51] <Pygi> highvoltage: will be much better....
[06:52] <highvoltage> Pygi: there is a time constraint problem though :/
[06:52] <Pygi> highvoltage: bah, we can make it ^_^
[06:52] <highvoltage> Pygi: if we all had a solid 2/3 days, we could do it easily
[06:52] <Pygi> highvoltage: we can do it this way as well, just a bit more tougher
[06:53] <highvoltage> Pygi: i suppose i'll have to think about this in more depth, i never got involved with the edubuntu cookbook, since i assumed flint was handling it
[06:53] <Yagisan> well that sucked. gaim suddenly quit
[06:54] <Pygi> highvoltage: ah,k
[06:54] <highvoltage> Pygi: i am interested, though, i did big parts of the tuxlab cookbook, on which the edubuntu cookbook would be based on
[06:55] <Pygi> ah :)
[06:55] <highvoltage> Pygi: i've been tempted to skip sleep this weekend and just adapt the software module update to V2.00 to a edubuntu cookbook draft, but i'm not 100% sure that i'm up to that quite yet :)
[06:55] <Pygi> :-P
[07:10] <highvoltage> ogra: how are things? we miss you.
[07:11] <ogra> highvoltage, not so good ... 
[07:13] <highvoltage> ogra: how so?
[07:13] <ogra> we had a fatality in my GFs family ... my life is a bit upside down atm
[07:13] <highvoltage> :(
[07:13] <highvoltage> i'm sorry to hear that
[07:13] <ogra> and will get worse predictably
[07:14] <Bluekuja> me too oliver
[07:14] <highvoltage> geez. was it direct family member?
[07:14] <ogra> her mother 
[07:14] <Bluekuja> really unhappy to hear that things
[07:15] <Yagisan> ogra: my condolences to you and GF
[07:15] <ogra> Yagisan, thanks i'll forward it ...
[07:16] <ogra> btw, flight-6 is ready
[07:16] <ogra> (not released yet, but should happen the next hours)
[07:16] <highvoltage> ogra: i know there's nothing i can do to make things better, but my condolences too, i can't imagine what she (and you) must be going through, but she can be glad she has you, i'm also glad that you're putting her first
[07:17] <Pygi> ogra, my condolences as well 
[07:17] <ogra> highvoltage, my prob is, that its way more than just a dies mother, she cared for my GFs handicapped brother and has a lot of real estate stuff at the other side of the country ...
[07:18] <ogra> highvoltage, i'm currently starting to pack boxes to prepare moving etc ...
[07:18] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll pvt msg you...
[07:18] <ogra> yep
[07:35] <LaserJock> ogra, what do you think about possibly doing a squeak virtual package that depends on squeak-sources squeak-vm and squeak-image
[07:35] <ogra> as you like :)
[07:36] <ogra> i'm fine with the idea
[07:37] <LaserJock> could I just tack that binary on to the squeak-vm source package or do I need to make a whole new source package?
[07:41] <ogra> i think its fine in -vm
[07:42] <LaserJock> I also whipped up a zenity script to handle starting squeak from the menu
[07:43] <ogra> is that really necessary ? 
[07:43] <ogra> i'd like to avoid additional complication where possible 
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, basically it was the only way I could find to start the thing from a menu
[07:44] <LaserJock> they do a terrible job of starting the thing up
[07:45] <ogra> hmm, i have started it with the breezy version just fine with the squeak script from the linex dir 
[07:45] <LaserJock> but they actually wanted to include my script in their packages I think (they wanted me to mail it to there ML)
[07:45] <LaserJock> the problem is the included script is fine from the CLI
[07:46] <ogra> its been fine from the menu as well ...
[07:46] <LaserJock> really?
[07:46] <LaserJock> what script did you use?
[07:46] <ogra> at least back whne i built the initial package
[07:46] <ogra> the suqeak script from the linex dir in the squeak-vm source package
[07:47] <LaserJock> ok, well maybe I'll have a look
[07:47] <LaserJock> the ones i\
[07:47] <LaserJock> I've tried become interactive
[07:47] <LaserJock> and so in the menu they just go into infinite loops
[07:48] <ogra> there is no need for interaction 
[07:48] <ogra> lets just define a fixed location for the image ;)
[07:48] <LaserJock> hmmm
[07:48] <ogra> ~/.squeak for example
[07:49] <ogra> if its not there, create a default image, else just start with that one 
[07:49] <LaserJock> the thing is that it seems like people often use more than one image
[07:50] <LaserJock> we can certainly start with a fixed location for sure
[07:50] <ogra> then lets peek your script for a second menu itam we hide by default ... so the "normal" users that just diont care about locations can start ricght away and the advanced ones can enable it with alacarte
[07:50] <ogra> s7peek/keep/
[07:51] <ogra> or even show them both but call one "squeak" and one "select squeak image"
[07:52] <LaserJock> ogra: http://pastebin.com/632978 is my zenity script
[07:54] <LaserJock> it's shorter (and simpler) than the linex script
[07:54] <ogra> i didnt say the linex one is good ;)
[07:54] <ogra> i just said it worked :)
[07:55] <ogra> ok, lets just go with yours 
[07:55] <ogra> but dont forget the dependency on zenity ;)
[07:55] <LaserJock> yes
[07:56] <LaserJock> I hate to increase the deps but since zenity is installed by default in ubuntu and edubuntu I don't think we are loosing much
[07:56] <ogra> nope 
[07:56] <ogra> only if people want suqeak in KDE might be an issue 
[07:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:57] <ogra> or in a lightweight environment ...
[07:57] <ogra> but lest see, if we get no bugs, it must be fine ...
[07:57] <LaserJock> zenity was just the easiest at the time
[07:57] <ogra> yep
[08:00] <LaserJock> anyway, the squeak devs were very interested in the script so I'm hoping this kind of starter will get included upstream so we don't have to worry about it
[08:00] <ogra> yep
[08:00] <LaserJock> it is somewhat annoying that they don't have a very good way of opening images
[08:00] <LaserJock> from the menu
[08:01] <ogra> but as i said before, i doubt the package will see many updates anyway 
[08:01] <ogra> so we dont need to care too much about upstream ...
[08:01] <ogra> (since ther eis not much active development )
[08:03] <LaserJock> ok, so I'm going to add the virtual package and add this zen script as startsqueak or something
[08:03] <ogra> fine 
[08:03] <ogra> :)
[08:03] <LaserJock> and then there will be startsqueak and squeak so everybody is happy
[08:04] <ogra> yep
[08:04] <LaserJock> and I can close ~ 3 bugs
[08:04] <ogra> :)
[08:07] <iGotNoTime> I'm already happy :)
[08:08] <LaserJock> good, less work for me ;-)
[08:08] <iGotNoTime> a few weeks ago someone sent me a link with step by step help for mounting drives in Edubuntu... I have since reformatted
[08:09] <iGotNoTime> does anyone have a link I can use to do that again?
[08:09] <iGotNoTime> I have 6 drives and 4 are not yet mounted
[08:09] <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[08:09] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[08:09] <iGotNoTime> I will bookmark this time :)
[08:10] <ogra> or install ubuntu-dosc, then you have it locally in the help viewer
[08:10] <iGotNoTime> good plan :)
[08:10] <ogra> *ubuntu-docs indeed
[08:11] <LaserJock> ogra: is there an edubuntu-docs package?
[08:11] <ogra> yes, but not much content yet
[08:11] <ogra> and its neither in main nor is it a dep of edubuntu-desktop yet 
[08:11] <iGotNoTime> there is on the WiKi why not copy and paste?
[08:11] <ogra> but thats planned for dapper
[08:11] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: believe me, it's not that easy ;-)
[08:12] <ogra> we want edubuntu specific documentation in edubuntu-docs, not the common stuff thats in ubuntu-docs 
[08:12] <iGotNoTime> why? I mean is it simply a man-power thing?
[08:12] <iGotNoTime> I see
[08:12] <ogra> because that would duplicate the efforts
[08:13] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: your name implies some of the problems :)
[08:13] <iGotNoTime> highvoltage, that's what i assumed the issue was
[08:13] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: kinda, and then docs are usually written in DocBook and you have to make sure you got everything right
[08:13] <iGotNoTime> you guys know the most helpful page I have seen is the Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide
[08:13] <iGotNoTime> It had all the questions I wanted answered in there
[08:13] <Burgwork> ogra, who is working on a basic install guide for edubuntu?
[08:14] <LaserJock> iGotNoTime: try the Ubuntu Desktop Guide on doc.ubuntu.com
[08:14] <ogra> Burgwork, that'd be me on my TODO i guess 
[08:14] <iGotNoTime> yes am there now LaserJock  :)
[08:14] <Burgwork> ogra, ok, I will add it to my todo
[08:14] <ogra> Burgwork, oh, wow, thanks a lot !!
[08:17] <Burgwork> is there work started somewhere?
[08:17] <highvoltage> ogra: where should i find the edubuntu inst guide on my installation again? i looked in /usr/share/doc/edubuntu-docs, but there's just two files in there :/
[08:18] <ogra> Burgwork, EdubuntuInstallNotes 
[08:18] <Burgwork> ok
[08:18] <Burgwork> we want something in docbook?
[08:18] <ogra> yelp can html, no ? 
[08:19] <ogra> if not, then yes, we want docbook 
[08:19] <Burgwork> yelp can do html or docbook
[08:19] <Burgwork> docbook gets us pdf
[08:20] <Burgwork> which, in this market, is a major win
[08:20] <iGotNoTime> blah pdf LOL
[08:20] <LaserJock> Burgwork: is docboook easier for translation?
[08:20] <ogra> but docbook is harder for contributors 
[08:21] <ogra> i'd prefer that anyone can contribute ... doing it with nvu or openoffice html editor for example ...
[08:21] <Burgwork> yes and yes, LaserJock and ogra 
[08:21] <Burgwork> yes, it is a problem but if they provide content, it can be added
[08:21] <ogra> otherwise you need to learn docbook or an editor for it first
[08:22] <LaserJock> OO can export xml if that helps at all
[08:22] <ogra> i think for now i'm fine with either, we'll see if people have problems#
[08:22] <ogra> its the first time we ship any docs anyway ...
[08:22] <ogra> we can change it in later releases
[08:22] <Burgwork> yes
[08:23] <Burgwork> docbook means I can use the existing ubuntu/kubuntu doc toolchain
[08:23] <ogra> i'm preparing a ltsp howto that i'll keep in html for example (simply because you can read it with lynx in a terminal)
[08:24] <ogra> but for desktop only docs, docbook should be fine
[08:24] <highvoltage> ogra: i just got vmware, which seems much smoother than qemu. i can get updated screenshots and instructions for the installation section
[08:24] <ogra> cool
[08:24] <ogra> qemu is a pain
[08:26] <Yagisan> I agree
[08:26] <Yagisan> highvoltage: which version ?
[08:26] <highvoltage> qemu is better than nothing, i think it will improve with time.
[08:26] <highvoltage> Yagisan: vmware? it's 5.5
[08:27] <Yagisan> highvoltage: trial, paid or "extended trial >:)"
[08:28] <highvoltage> trial. will be paid by end of next week.
[08:28] <Yagisan> qemu need to be a bit more user friendly. That's my problem
[08:28] <highvoltage> i could've saved many, many hours if i had it earlier.
[08:28] <Yagisan> qemu and networking causes me so many issues.
[08:29] <Yagisan> wish it was as easy as vmware to set up
[08:40] <Burgwork> how indepth should this install guide by. Should it be "Box to Desktop?"
[08:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm going to combine that 'software' and 'technical' part, then we'll just call it 'Getting started with Edubuntu', that fine?
[08:41] <ogra> yep
[08:42] <ogra> Burgwork, i think just adaptin dapper specifics into the InstallNotes is enough ...
[08:43] <Burgwork> ok
[08:43] <ogra> so from putting in the Cd until ltsp is running :)
[08:44] <Burgwork> ok
[09:03] <Yagisan> w00t failed dapper upgrade :(
[09:05] <Yagisan> I have a dialog box. The title is question. There is no content, but until it's gone, my gnome panels wont start. If I force quit it, it just restarts. :(
[09:06] <Yagisan> I'm very glad I had an icon for xterm on the desktop. It's the only thing that works.
[09:31] <Pygi> spacey, janew: around?
[09:52] <highvoltage> ogra: the current "Install a server" option, is that a minimal setup, or a bare edubuntu server setup?
[10:10] <highvoltage> my word. i've forgotten how much there is to write about installing edubuntu. just the boot option screen for the cd boot has a lot to write about.
[10:18] <Pygi> yup
[10:42] <Pygi> spacey: around?
[10:45] <spacey> just got in
[10:46] <spacey> let me reply some mails
[10:46] <spacey> brb
[10:46] <Pygi> kk, spacey...
[11:00] <highvoltage> ogra: got http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/ so far tonight, making some nice progress here.
[11:00] <highvoltage> Pygi: btw, will reply to your mail just a bit later
[11:02] <Pygi> highvoltage: ok ^_^
[11:03] <Pygi> spacey: you still alive? ^_^
[11:03] <spacey> yea
[11:03] <spacey> just finished my mail
[11:03] <spacey> some apress lady offered me to review an ubuntu book
[11:03] <spacey> and review it on my blog
[11:03] <Pygi> sorry for the meeting thingy, it really wasn't intentional
[11:04] <spacey> yeh ok, see e-mail
[11:04] <spacey> its fine, just experienced some jaw dropping
[11:04] <Pygi> yup, saw the mail
[11:04] <spacey> no need to make a big issue out of it, just wanted some clarity
[11:04] <Pygi> I was kinda asleep after 5 days of no sleep :P
[11:04] <LaserJock> spacey: lol, I think mdke got a similar email
[11:05] <Pygi> LaserJock: a lot of people got that mail
[11:05] <spacey> LaserJock: let the books come! :)
[11:06] <Pygi> spacey: let's rather work on our book :-P
[11:06] <spacey> Pygi: indeed:)
[11:06] <Pygi> especially if ogra won't be able to help
[11:06] <spacey> i only had ogra in mind for technical QA 
[11:06] <spacey> since he is always quite busy
[11:06] <gboutwel1> edubuntu didn't find/setup my soundcard or my network card.
[11:06] <Pygi> spacey: decide what next, write content, find a publisher (hehe :) ), and publish ;)
[11:06] <spacey> :)
[11:07] <spacey> and translate to different languages
[11:07] <spacey> i would love to see it in dutch
[11:07] <spacey> :)
[11:07] <Pygi> bah :-P
[11:07] <Pygi> but not in dapper timeframe pls ;)
[11:08] <Pygi> you haven't written when is meeting ok for you
[11:08] <Pygi> considering most people can't on weekends ;)
[11:08] <spacey> Pygi: only monday would be a problem
[11:08] <spacey> rest of the week is fine at this stage
[11:08] <Pygi> for me any day next week is a problem, but I'll try to handle it
[11:08] <Pygi> book is important now ;)
[11:09] <spacey> yeh
[11:10] <spacey> we should get this stage finished as quickly as possible
[11:10] <Pygi> if we can really find a publisher, that would be great
[11:10] <Pygi> yup, write TOC, and start working on articles for it
[11:10] <spacey> and define what each chapter should cover (at least)
[11:10] <spacey> so we don't miss something
[11:11] <Pygi> yup, detailed TOC
[11:11] <Pygi> and while we are working on that, send it to publisher
[11:11] <Pygi> any ideas to whom?
[11:11] <gboutwel1> I'm having trouble enabling these 2 devices myself.
[11:12] <spacey> you installed a server or workstation?
[11:12] <spacey> gboutwel1
[11:12] <gboutwel1> workstation
[11:13] <spacey> ok
[11:13] <gboutwel1> One I believe is an AZTEC 2320, which appears to have an Alsa driver, the other is an pretty standard 3Com EtherLink 3c509B
[11:13] <spacey> i never heard of aztec but the 3com nic should work out of the box
[11:14] <spacey> gboutwel1: `ifconfig -a` shows something?
[11:14] <gboutwel1> spacey: It didn't... But then it's not in PNP mode... It's in Legacy mode
[11:14] <spacey> its ISA?
[11:15] <gboutwel1> spacey: You'll have to forgive me...  The box is at home and I'm looking for ideas of what direction to take here at work... I don't have access to try commands on it from here.
[11:15] <gboutwel1> spacey: Yes it's ISA, there are like only 2 ISA slots in the box, one of them is the NIC
[11:15] <spacey> oh
[11:15] <spacey> i never used ISA in linux
[11:16] <spacey> gboutwel1: did you take a look in the wiki?
[11:16] <spacey> http://wiki.ubuntu.com 
[11:17] <spacey> nothing there it seems
[11:18] <spacey> gboutwel1: you can run an edubuntu desktop on such an old machine?
[11:20] <Pygi> spacey: so, will we continue the discussion? ;)
[11:20] <spacey> ofcourse
[11:21] <spacey> discussion++
[11:22] <Pygi> any idea about the publisher?
[11:28] <gboutwel1> spacey: Is like an Intel 400 with 384 MB of ram and and 12Gig HD...
[11:28] <gboutwel1> But yes.. It runs reasonable...  About the same as Win2k or Win98SE on the same hardware.
[11:29] <gboutwel1> Except that Win2k and Win98SE found was able to get the NIC and Sound card to work out of the box.
[11:33] <spacey> Pygi: i think publisher is not really important at this stage
[11:33] <spacey> we should finish it first
[11:33] <spacey> and it will be included anyway for free
[11:34] <Pygi> spacey: ah, we'll talk at meeting
[11:34] <spacey> i think its quite hard to find publishers for free licensed books
[11:34] <spacey> yeah
[11:34] <Pygi> and yes, it'll be available for free ofcourse in web format ;)
[11:34] <Pygi> rl
[11:34] <Pygi> most probably*
[11:39] <spacey> Pygi: and if its packaged it is available in the help menu from edubuntu i think
[11:52] <LNS> Ok, I need to vent
[11:53] <LNS> I just got done demonstrating Edubuntu to a non-profit, after-school kids club
[11:53] <LNS> they loved it
[11:53] <LNS> they want me to install it at one of their locations as a 'pilot' and the rest of their 5 locations afterwards
[11:54] <LNS> I get back to work, and about 2 hours later I get an e-mail from the CEO saying she just got a letter from the national non-profit center saying they JUST got surprise funding for 10 new computers
[11:54] <LNS> at the PILOT location specifically
[11:55] <LNS> with a "software gift" from Microsoft, with Windows XP, Office 2003, Publisher, Encarta, etc.
[11:55] <LNS> along with a long list of software use restrictions on the new hardware which most likely will necessitate the use of their software on the computers for them to recieve the gift
[11:56] <Burgwork> heh
[11:57] <Burgwork> I would hit back and explain why Edubuntu will save them time and money
[11:57] <Burgwork> free is not free, in this case
[11:59] <LNS> exactly what i tried to tell her in my reply
[12:00] <LNS> just got a reply saying she must keep MS and all computers at that one location for site audits to make sure everything is going "as expected"
[12:00] <LNS> but still wants to move forward with Edubuntu at another site
[12:00] <Burgwork> also talk about long term sustainability and how Eudubntu can help them with providing better service
[12:00] <LNS> so it's not all bad news...but still..ARGH! =p
[12:00] <Burgwork> does it show?
[12:01] <LNS> haha =) yeah it does!
[12:01] <LNS> that's exactly what i told her too
[12:01] <Pygi> LNS: want me to help you compose a letter? ;)
[12:01] <LNS> <--- is a big linux geek, but is learning sales since i'm a business owner..blah hehe
[12:02] <LNS> Pygi, I think this calls for something that more than this situation can benefit from
[12:03] <LNS> we should all compose a PDF/presentation on the specific benefits of using Edubuntu in a school/other educational environment in place of Microsoft software
[12:03] <LNS> so people after me have some arsenal
[12:03] <Burgwork> yep
[12:03] <Burgwork> I am going to be doing a presentation about buntu/edubutnu soon
[12:03] <LNS> awesome
[12:04] <LNS> it's not much but let me upload/link you guys on the presentation pdf i wrote up last night/this morning
[12:04] <Burgwork> my todo list is rather large though