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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdelibs patch works, sending you the diff | 12:16 |
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| kmon | will kmplayer substitute kaffeine? | 12:57 |
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| Riddell | for konqueror plugin yes | 12:58 |
| kmon | so kubuntu will ship with 2 media players? or kaffeine + kmplayer plugin? | 12:58 |
| === Tm_T thinks kmplayer > kaffeine | ||
| === kmon leaves, good night everyone | ||
| Riddell | kmon: 1 applications, 1 plugin | 01:04 |
| kmon | Riddell: nice. Ok. | 01:04 |
| kmon | good night | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 01:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pong | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | found a little issue with new knetworkconf | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | it recorgnises ubuntu but not kubuntu | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | which results the old warning when launched for the first time | 01:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how can it recognise ubuntu but not kubuntu? | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I mean, the windows says it cannot detect the distro, but in the "detected list" you can find ubuntu | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me show you a screenshot | 01:07 |
| Riddell | hmm, right | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: or maybe the detection function bugs...... | 01:09 |
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| Riddell | hmm, works for me | 01:13 |
| Riddell | but I've had another complaint today that it doesn't work | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I tested at work, and on my desktop | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tested on a new profile ? | 01:14 |
| Riddell | yeah, just tested on a fresh install | 01:15 |
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| Riddell | BearPerson: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/631722 | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: strange......... | 01:16 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: I have the problem on a live CD | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah.... | 01:28 |
| jmarrero | hello! | 01:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ah hah :) | 01:29 |
| Riddell | it's the change to 6.06 version number | 01:29 |
| Riddell | hi jmarrero | 01:29 |
| jmarrero | man I had to stop paying my net because I got a new car | 01:29 |
| BearPerson | Riddell, we're looking into the problem, thanks | 01:29 |
| jmarrero | I never could help with dapper drake | 01:29 |
| jmarrero | :( | 01:29 |
| Riddell | BearPerson: great, thanks | 01:29 |
| jmarrero | and now I just have net for one day a frind lend me his cable modem :D I just hooled up to the old line and It works like a charm | 01:30 |
| jmarrero | but just for one day | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that simple......... | 01:30 |
| jmarrero | I I am downloading the latest kubuntu flight , the new breezy live cd | 01:30 |
| jmarrero | and updating my breezy intall with kde 3.5.2 | 01:31 |
| Riddell | jmarrero: they never cut you off? | 01:31 |
| jmarrero | nope the line is still online | 01:31 |
| jmarrero | I can even watch local tv | 01:31 |
| jmarrero | :) | 01:31 |
| Riddell | jmarrero: they usually don't bother cutting off the tv, in the UK at least they have to come to your street to do that | 01:32 |
| Riddell | but internet they can do from their exchange | 01:32 |
| jmarrero | that is good because I am going to put cable modem again next month :) | 01:32 |
| Riddell | well, don't do too much bittorrenting, they'll startto notice you :) | 01:32 |
| jmarrero | the thing is that my friend live very cloose to me | 01:32 |
| jmarrero | and I can use his mac adrees from my home were i in the same node I think | 01:33 |
| Riddell | aah | 01:33 |
| jmarrero | man I cant wait for KDE 4 | 01:34 |
| jmarrero | in kde-look there some screenshoots of what it may look like it looks sweet | 01:34 |
| Riddell | those aren't screenshots | 01:34 |
| jmarrero | that are just gimp mookups? | 01:35 |
| Riddell | or krita mockups | 01:35 |
| jmarrero | :( | 01:35 |
| jmarrero | well now I want to cry somehow | 01:35 |
| Riddell | don't worry, the real thing will look even better | 01:38 |
| jmarrero | :) | 01:40 |
| jmarrero | next wendsday I am going to give a little talk about linux | 01:40 |
| jmarrero | I am going to install Kubuntu on a machine and also gona run kubuntu and ubuntu on their live cds so they can see the difference bettwen gnome and kde | 01:41 |
| jmarrero | I am in collage studying compther ciense and there almost noone uses linux I am just in the first year and I am going to give a talk about Linux and opensource lol | 01:42 |
| Riddell | shame I don't have any kubuntu CDs left to give you | 01:43 |
| jmarrero | u were sending kubuntu cds? | 01:43 |
| jmarrero | nevermind there never will be on time I live in Puerto Rico | 01:44 |
| jmarrero | Riddell what are u working on right now? espresso? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | jmarrero: I'm trying to yes | 01:49 |
| Riddell | things keep distracting me :( | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: display module rocking works for me :) | 01:49 |
| jmarrero | Riddell lol like this IRC | 01:50 |
| jmarrero | na I will go back to my one day net fun | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interested in crystal icons for guidance ? | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | I must say I don't much like those actually used...... | 01:51 |
| jmarrero | see u all laterz | 01:51 |
| jmarrero | seeya Riddell nice to talk to u , God bless I am off to downloading cr*p | 01:51 |
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| Tonio_ | they don't fit nicelly with the others in systemsettings | 01:51 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's only display that isn't crystal no? | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think other ones are flat icons too, but only display looks really different from others, that's true | 01:52 |
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| Tonio_ | hum, have they been changed recently ? | 01:53 |
| jmarrero | sorry | 01:53 |
| jmarrero | last thing | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the other ones are crystal, that's true ;) | 01:53 |
| jmarrero | someone here kwons if I can intall xgl and compiz in kubuntu dapper drake and it work nice? | 01:53 |
| jmarrero | just like in gnome | 01:54 |
| jmarrero | ? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | jmarrero: no | 02:04 |
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| jmarrero | :( | 02:04 |
| jmarrero | that is bad | 02:04 |
| jmarrero | :( | 02:04 |
| jmarrero | xgl and kde will be nice os X crusher | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: in my view xgl is born dead ;) | 02:07 |
| jmarrero | Tonio_ why? | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: because of aiglx | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | imagin a simple xorg module that allow the same things | 02:08 |
| jmarrero | what is that? | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | in fact xgl is more a technical demo | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | the future of xgl is xogl | 02:09 |
| jmarrero | nice | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | which will be a mix between xgl and xorg | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | merging codes | 02:09 |
| jmarrero | :) | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | the problem with this is that all distros will have to work on its (very diffucult) implementation | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | that's novell's view of the future | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | and on the other hand, you have aiglx | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | the redhat project | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | it is a simple xorg module | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | so the implementation is VERY easy | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | cause you don't have to change anything | 02:10 |
| jmarrero | and it is fast and can do the same things with videos that xgl does? | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | it is a kind of "super composite" extension | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | it does the same things yes | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | or at least it is supposed to | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | so in my view distros will probably choose this because it is way easier to implement | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | but on the other hand, effects can be added to xgl/xogl without touching kde or gnome | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | with aiglx, the distros will have to implement effects using the module........ | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | so that more work for developpers, but less work for distros | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | I think that's the option that will win ;) | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | but we'll see ;) | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | s/ the distros will have to implement / the DM will have to implement | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | of course ;) | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: http://www.gnome.org/~jrb/aiglx/shot01.ogg | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | very very short video :) | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | but that shows the same things are possible with aiglx | 02:15 |
| jmarrero | downloading it | 02:15 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: moin | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: ? | 02:16 |
| Tm_T | well? any results with patch? | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: works :) | 02:16 |
| === Tm_T is sleeping as you all can see | ||
| Tm_T | whoa | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: Riddell uploaded | 02:16 |
| jmarrero | nice Tonio_ | 02:16 |
| Tm_T | good | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: that's only a personal opinion, but I really think the future is aiglx | 02:17 |
| jmarrero | and when is this going to be realeased for general use like xgl? | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: ask redhat ;) | 02:17 |
| jmarrero | lol | 02:17 |
| jmarrero | ok | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: the problem with aiglx is that is requires development in the desktop managers | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | so if kde isn't going to use it, we will not be able to use it in..... | 02:18 |
| jmarrero | :( that is bad | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | and I don't know what is kde4 thinking about in the 3D part | 02:18 |
| jmarrero | but I dont think kde will stay back in this tech | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: that is bad and good at the same time... | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | jmarrero: it is not "bad" in the way that it is logic that effects are provided by the desktop manager | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | the X server is only supposed to provide backends | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | but that's a bit too technical for me ;) | 02:20 |
| jmarrero | I did not even usdestood u lol | 02:21 |
| jmarrero | backends is a too dificult word for me | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | backend ~= engine/framework | 02:21 |
| jmarrero | ok | 02:26 |
| Tm_T | uff | 02:26 |
| jmarrero | now my english is limited somehow by my spanish | 02:26 |
| Tm_T | time to repackage Kopete, I think | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | hmm, should I package beta2 sources or svn?! | 02:31 |
| Tm_T | bah, beta2 still :) | 02:31 |
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| jmarrero | ubuntu Breezy for i386 PCs with KDE 3.5.2 and KOffice 1.5 RC 1, created on 2006-03-26 | 02:34 |
| jmarrero | this live cd is in english? | 02:35 |
| seaLne | possibly only due to space constraints | 02:36 |
| jmarrero | I as kbecause the one with kde 3.5.1 and koffice beta was in dutch or german or something like that I just know I downloaded it and I did not undestood a thing | 02:37 |
| seaLne | heh | 02:37 |
| seaLne | fitting stff on live cd is getting harder as people expect more | 02:38 |
| jmarrero | the idea of the dapper drake live cd with espresso is insane I love it | 02:40 |
| jmarrero | I think a lot of people will just swith from the normal install cd to that | 02:40 |
| jmarrero | switch* <-- I think that is how u spell it | 02:41 |
| Tm_T | yup | 02:43 |
| Tm_T | AC/DC - Flick Of The Switch | 02:43 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | nite all ;) | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | seya in three days :) | 02:48 |
| LeeJunFan | openoffice-kde doesn't like media:/ | 02:51 |
| LeeJunFan | Tm_T: hehe, I was just listening to that. | 02:51 |
| raphink | in three days? | 02:51 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 02:58 |
| Tm_T | kwin crashed | 02:58 |
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| Parkotron | I think there's a problem in Kubuntu with the KDE3.5.* versions of Kommander. | 03:42 |
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| Parkotron | I have a script that works perfectly on 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 but causes the kmdr-executor to lock up on 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1. | 03:45 |
| Parkotron | The about boxes show both as Kommander version 1.2, so the problem has to be with the Kubuntu packages, right? | 03:47 |
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| jmarrero | If I install dapper-drake I will be able to update to the stable vertion once it is done via apt-get? | 05:22 |
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| robotgeek | hey freeflying | 05:45 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: hi | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: took a look at kubuntu desktop guide (in khelpcenter) | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | do you feel like contributing a small section on howto use skim/input non-latin lanugages? | 05:47 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: no problem , how to write it ? | 05:52 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: just write it as a text file and email me, i will take care of docbook stuff | 05:53 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: I'd write it as soon as I can | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: doc string freeze is 6 days away | 05:54 |
| freeflying | ok | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: thank you :) | 05:55 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: ping | 06:22 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: pong | 06:22 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: flood you , sorry | 06:22 |
| freeflying | :) | 06:23 |
| robotgeek | heh, np | 06:23 |
| robotgeek | need to install basket | 06:23 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: you'd correct some grammar adn spelling error for me :) | 06:24 |
| freeflying | s/adn/and | 06:24 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: yes. also it is way too technical for our target audience, i will correct :) | 06:25 |
| freeflying | hehe | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | basket has nice features. | 06:27 |
| freeflying | or rewrite it ? | 06:28 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: no, i needed technical information :) | 06:28 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: i will write it today, and maybe you can check a little later? | 06:28 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: my pleasure :) | 06:30 |
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| robotgeek | freeflying: is the language support package installed if correct language is selected on startup? | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | err, on installation | 06:52 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: ya | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: okay. cool (one lesser step :) ) | 06:53 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: hehe | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: you meant like language-support-zh ? | 06:55 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: y | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: curiousity :) | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: written, and commited. do you have svn checked out? | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/config-system.xml | 07:14 |
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| robotgeek | howdy seth | 07:34 |
| seth | hey hey robotgeek | 07:34 |
| robotgeek | howdy seth | 07:50 |
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| robotgeek | i remember in one of the meetings, we replaced krita by something else (kolourpaint or something). i can't find it in my menu | 08:57 |
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| hunger | kNM is not in the archives yet? | 09:18 |
| danimo | hunger: that would be really fast, plus it is said to require NM 0.6.2 | 09:19 |
| === danimo wonders why dapper doesn't have suspend2 integrated | ||
| hunger | danimo: The gnome stuff seems to get into the archives way faster:-( | 09:20 |
| danimo | hunger: well, no idea about politics | 09:20 |
| hunger | danimo: I don't care: hibernate does not work on my laptop due to swap being encrypted. | 09:20 |
| danimo | hunger: but knm just got imported into _kdereview_, yesterday, it hardly compiling for anything != suse | 09:20 |
| danimo | hunger: encrypted swap? sounds wicked | 09:21 |
| hunger | danimo: I got kNM installed. Works fine. | 09:21 |
| hunger | danimo: Why? | 09:21 |
| danimo | hunger: doesn't sounds like a well-performing idea | 09:21 |
| hunger | danimo: I got all user-writeable partitions encrypted. | 09:21 |
| danimo | yes, but for something that needs to be accessed real fast... | 09:21 |
| hunger | danimo: I value privacy more than speed;-) | 09:22 |
| danimo | hunger: did you build debs for knm or just from sources? | 09:22 |
| hunger | danimo: It is hardly ever used and if it is mostly for tmpfs stuff that I do not really need anyway. | 09:22 |
| hunger | danimo: Nope. Got it from some archive somewhere. | 09:23 |
| danimo | and there it is pavckaged already? | 09:23 |
| hunger | danimo: Well, passwords, etc. can end up getting swapped out, so encrypting swap is important. | 09:23 |
| hunger | danimo: Yeap. | 09:23 |
| danimo | I'd rather make sure that swap gets cleaned with a byte pattern on shutdown | 09:24 |
| danimo | a random one,that is | 09:24 |
| hunger | danimo: Then someone might still gleam into it at runtime. | 09:24 |
| hunger | danimo: Plus that is really slow... and your data passwords are on the disk in the clear whenever you hibernate. | 09:25 |
| danimo | well, If I am root, i can just as well hook into the kernel wherever it can read the swap encrypted | 09:25 |
| danimo | err, decrypted | 09:25 |
| danimo | hunger: about knm it's probably better to ask Riddell, but last time I checked knm was waiting for a freeze exception. maybe he also wanted to wait until knm lives up to kde quality standards | 09:26 |
| danimo | (there were some minor issues that made knm not compile in kde svn, because the build environment is very strict there) | 09:27 |
| danimo | Riddell: ping? | 09:35 |
| robotgeek | what is the default camera handling program for kubuntu? (digikam is in unierse) | 09:36 |
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| danimo | hunger: do you have the url of that archive? | 09:46 |
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| robotgeek | will someone ping me about the camera handling program in Kubuntu. Need to finish a section | 10:00 |
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| Tm_T | uh | 11:56 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: evening | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | yup | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | ok, I'm playing more around with versioning | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | now it's 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu0 | 12:00 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: maybe 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu1 | 12:01 |
| Tm_T | hmm, why 1 | 12:01 |
| Tm_T | ah, then, taking back! :p | 12:02 |
| Tm_T | it was 1 :p | 12:02 |
| Tm_T | ok, no touching | 12:04 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: all seems ok? http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ | 12:05 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: nice , but withour ppc package :) | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: buy me 12" ibook and that change ;) | 12:07 |
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| freeflying | Tm_T: let me build it for you :) | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | yay! | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 12:10 |
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| freeflying | Tm_T: hah, you are useing native source tarball instead of debian's | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | debians? | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | is there any debian's source... | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: problem is, I haven't found any debian maintainer who works on 0.12 release | 12:25 |
| Tm_T | so I'm in solo here | 12:25 |
| mornfall | 0.12 of what? | 12:26 |
| Tm_T | Kopete | 12:26 |
| mornfall | ah | 12:26 |
| mornfall | well | 12:26 |
| Tm_T | I tried ml but had no real response | 12:26 |
| Tm_T | but, I'll try again | 12:27 |
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| Riddell | hunger: knetworkmanager is in NEW | 12:50 |
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| Tm_T | freeflying: what's up | 01:38 |
| === Tm_T will drink guinness today | ||
| Tm_T | I think I deserve it | 01:39 |
| raphink | hmmpf | 01:44 |
| raphink | I can't retrieve my emails in kmail anymore ... | 01:44 |
| raphink | the button is greyed | 01:44 |
| raphink | :( | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | lovely | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | I'm about to restart my pc | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | let's see what kind of problems I find :p | 01:44 |
| raphink | hehe | 01:45 |
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| jeroenvrp | Riddell: someone can close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460 | 01:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Confirmed] | 01:52 |
| Riddell | done | 01:54 |
| Tm_T | a-ha! | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | usplash-thingy in shutdown doesn't work | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | just some pieces of it overlayed the normal text flood | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee_away | Tm_T: it sometimes works | 02:10 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe @ ubuntu. | 02:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: hmm? | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the bit about the difference between star office and open office... | 02:18 |
| raphink | the license | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | no, 100 quid. | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | probably that too | 02:37 |
| raphink | 100 quid ? | 02:37 |
| raphink | I'd say the biggest difference is the license | 02:37 |
| raphink | all the other ones are only a result of this main one | 02:37 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:37 |
| raphink | just as for mozilla & netscape | 02:37 |
| raphink | just my opinion | 02:37 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: sounds reliable =) | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: i was quoting... | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee never deals in quid :P | ||
| Tm_T | :) | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: I mean't 15:10 < Hobbsee_away> Tm_T: it sometimes works | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: oh...right...yes. | 02:48 |
| jjesse | any else having problem staying logged into various sites with the latest updates? | 03:12 |
| jjesse | struggeling with launchpad.net, slashdot and the wiki | 03:12 |
| jjesse | every page is asking me to login | 03:12 |
| seaLne | kded dieing/ | 03:19 |
| seaLne | ? | 03:19 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 03:29 |
| Tm_T | hmm, maybe I run selfcompiled kwin from now on | 03:29 |
| Tm_T | oh my... | 03:32 |
| Tm_T | we really need something that tells to users that *ubuntu's are all the same one big community | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | ugh, yes please - and that you can use the ubuntu packages on kubuntu, and vice versa | 03:33 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: my small effort: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/k-ed-ubuntu/images.html | 03:33 |
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| Tm_T | Hobbsee: but we need that kind of stuff to ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu artwork packages | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | argh!!!! | 03:45 |
| === Hobbsee is not a bot! | ||
| === Hobbsee does not know everything! | ||
| Tm_T | =) | 03:45 |
| === Hobbsee beds, before getting asked more stuff that she doesnt know the answers to | ||
| === Tm_T has nice moire effects in his desktop <3 | ||
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: nooo | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | what, you want me to fall asleep on you? | 03:49 |
| Tm_T | yes please | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | dream on | 03:50 |
| Tm_T | I do I do | 03:50 |
| Tm_T | :p | 03:50 |
| Tm_T | anyway, good night and sleep tight | 03:50 |
| Tm_T | I keep harrassing you tomorrow ;) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | ugh | 03:51 |
| === Hobbsee glares at Tm_T | ||
| Riddell | jjesse: did you manage to do flight 6 release screenshots? | 03:51 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 03:52 |
| === Hobbsee curses at pasters... | ||
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: I understand you have to glare me, I have my charm afterall | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: please, can it. for tonight, at least. i've already been to work tonight. | 03:53 |
| Tm_T | =) | 03:53 |
| === Tm_T quit's his self irony for a moment, have to be serious sometimes | ||
| jjesse | Riddell: i did not have time | 03:56 |
| jjesse | argh why cant i stay logged into websites with konq since the last updates? | 03:56 |
| jjesse | everytime i acces a page that requires me to sign in, it logs me out. for example i login on the wiki, click on a link and i need to login. only started happening wiith the latest updates | 03:58 |
| sebas | So the same oops happens with 2.6.16.1 and suspend2 2.2.2. | 04:01 |
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| Riddell | ** flight 6 candidates for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060331/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060331.1/ | 04:26 |
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| jpatrick | hey raphink | 05:56 |
| raphink | hi jpatrick | 05:56 |
| jpatrick | how's it going? | 05:56 |
| raphink | good thanks | 05:57 |
| raphink | you? | 05:57 |
| jpatrick | not too good | 05:57 |
| raphink | aw why? | 05:57 |
| raphink | aw :( | 05:58 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can I upload this kbfx if I fix the CVS dir stuff? | 06:02 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: you should get another person to revu it | 06:03 |
| jpatrick | oh yeah | 06:03 |
| Riddell | poke raphink | 06:03 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: btw is kubuntu.org powered by Drupal? | 06:05 |
| jpatrick | kubuntu-es.org webmaster is planning to change to Drupal and he'll like to use the theme | 06:05 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: it's php | 06:07 |
| jpatrick | ok I'll tell him that | 06:08 |
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| jpatrick | hey apachelogger | 06:19 |
| apachelogger | ahoy jpatrick | 06:19 |
| raphink | Riddell: Tonio asked you about removiing /usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/entries/system.desktop ? | 06:20 |
| apachelogger | raphink: UVF exception for kblogger granted http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202 | 06:21 |
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| raphink | apachelogger: fine I'll upload | 06:26 |
| apachelogger | thx :) | 06:26 |
| raphink | uploaded | 06:27 |
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| Riddell | raphink: yeah, I want to test the system stuff more but that seems to be what we should do | 06:33 |
| raphink | well it doesn't work | 06:35 |
| raphink | I rebuilt kdebase with this | 06:35 |
| raphink | and it didn't remove the system tab | 06:35 |
| raphink | it's just a desktop file anyway | 06:36 |
| raphink | so I should say I've removed this desktop file | 06:36 |
| raphink | and it didn't remove the tab, if that was what was intented | 06:36 |
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| jpatrick | oh dear | 06:39 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I think I have a problem | 06:44 |
| jpatrick | kbfx_0.4.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW | 06:45 |
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| robotgeek | grr. i just downloaded flight 5 | 06:47 |
| raphink | good | 06:48 |
| raphink | except flight 6 will soon be out | 06:48 |
| robotgeek | raphink: i saw flight 6 canidate in scrollback :P | 06:48 |
| raphink | hehe | 06:49 |
| robotgeek | raphink: would you know if there is something other than digikam for managing digital cameras in kde (digikam is in universe) | 06:50 |
| raphink | well konqueror does it | 06:50 |
| raphink | with camera:/ | 06:50 |
| robotgeek | i need to finish the Desktop GUide,and since i don't have a camera :P | 06:52 |
| raphink | hehe | 06:52 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: that's good thing no? | 07:00 |
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| Riddell | raphink: it pops up a box same as when yu put in a CD and takes you to camera:/ | 07:01 |
| Riddell | robotgeek rather | 07:01 |
| Pygi | Riddell: how's the knm coming? | 07:01 |
| Riddell | Pygi: you can see the archives, you tell me | 07:02 |
| Pygi | ah, bad :-/ | 07:03 |
| Pygi | or should I update :) | 07:03 |
| Riddell | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knetworkmanager doesn't exist, so still in NEW | 07:04 |
| Pygi | ah, k, thanks ^_^ | 07:04 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: ah, thanks | 07:09 |
| raphink | yes Riddell | 07:09 |
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| Riddell | salut gouchi | 07:14 |
| gouchi | re :) | 07:14 |
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| robotgeek | i tried the Flight 5 and in Windows, it has a title of Ubuntu(instead of Kubuntu) in the window that pops up | 07:20 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: live or install? | 07:21 |
| robotgeek | live | 07:21 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: what windows software is on there? | 07:21 |
| robotgeek | i'll have to reboot to find out, one sec | 07:22 |
| Riddell | that would be useful, thanks | 07:22 |
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| robotgeek | kdepim, kexi, firefox, thunderbird, nvu, audacity, abiword, pdfcreator, gimp, celestia. << Riddell | 07:28 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: groovy, thanks | 07:30 |
| Riddell | would be nice to get scribus on there | 07:30 |
| Riddell | maybe replace audacity | 07:30 |
| Lure | kdepim (kontact?) is available for windows? | 07:31 |
| Riddell | not kontact, just korganiser and kaddressbook | 07:31 |
| robotgeek | live cd works great on this laptop (except wireles) | 07:33 |
| Pygi | robotgeek, me to blame :-P | 07:33 |
| robotgeek | Pygi: i know you tried hard. | 07:33 |
| pradeepto | its available for windows? | 07:33 |
| Pygi | robotgeek: will be better ^_^ | 07:33 |
| robotgeek | Pygi: i'm on flight 5 currently, maybe flight 6 will be better :) | 07:34 |
| Pygi | robotgeek: yes :-P | 07:34 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: well noone else looked at it | 07:37 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: did you upload to ubuntu accidently? | 07:40 |
| jpatrick | yes | 07:40 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: ah :) | 07:41 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: dput defaults to revu on my other computer, so i didn't know | 07:42 |
| Riddell | well, it'll be fine | 07:45 |
| Riddell | archive it on revu | 07:45 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: do you know if the example content is going to be preinstalled on the install cd? | 07:45 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: yes, it is | 07:46 |
| robotgeek | nice. it will help a lot while testing | 07:46 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: can you use usb stick disc on your ppc | 07:48 |
| jpatrick | raphink: around? | 07:48 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: let me see | 07:48 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: yup. works | 07:50 |
| jpatrick | freeflying-ibook: kerry was uploaded | 07:50 |
| freeflying-ibook | jpatrick: got it , hehee | 07:50 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: I can nort use it , even can not be found by lsusb | 07:51 |
| robotgeek | nice work with kerry, i like it. | 07:51 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: maybe usb is busted? | 07:51 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: but no problem with other use device | 07:51 |
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| jjesse | what is kerry? | 07:53 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: beagle frontend | 07:53 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kerry | 07:54 |
| jjesse | ah front end for beagle :) | 07:54 |
| freeflying-ibook | dose beagle's maininclusion approved? | 07:55 |
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| robotgeek | what was the keyboard shortcut for catapult again? | 07:55 |
| Riddell | alt+space | 07:55 |
| robotgeek | same as kerry's i think | 07:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying-ibook: beagle's libraries are in main but the app is in universe | 07:56 |
| freeflying-ibook | Riddell: then we can not include kerry in main ? | 07:56 |
| jpatrick | no | 07:56 |
| jpatrick | because it deps on beagle | 07:56 |
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| raphink | jpatrick: what for? | 08:01 |
| jpatrick | raphink: revu wants my old email (which I don't have my secret key for) | 08:02 |
| raphink | ah | 08:02 |
| raphink | you changed your pgp ? | 08:02 |
| jpatrick | no it just won't accept the key | 08:02 |
| jpatrick | so I can't reset password | 08:02 |
| raphink | hmm weird | 08:03 |
| raphink | do you want a new REVU password ? | 08:03 |
| raphink | that's what you want? | 08:03 |
| jpatrick | yes, please | 08:03 |
| raphink | what's the address you use to log in jpatrick? | 08:06 |
| jpatrick | jpatrickdavies@gmail.com one | 08:07 |
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| raphink | hmmm | 08:08 |
| Riddell | hmm, adept needs to depend on app-install-data | 08:18 |
| raphink | indeed | 08:19 |
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| raphink | Riddell: would you like me to fix that? | 08:19 |
| jpatrick | impossible with it in main | 08:20 |
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| raphink | jpatrick: sorry? | 08:20 |
| jpatrick | isn't adept(ept) in main? | 08:20 |
| raphink | sure it is | 08:20 |
| raphink | but Riddell and I can upload to main | 08:20 |
| pradeepto | btw I have a n00b question? Can I have 2 kubuntus (different versions) on same box? Different hdds perhaps. | 08:21 |
| raphink | sure pradeepto | 08:21 |
| jpatrick | pradeepto: yes | 08:21 |
| raphink | on different partitions | 08:21 |
| raphink | not even diff hdds | 08:21 |
| pradeepto | And 2 versions as in dapper flight 5 and daily build | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | err? | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | now I don't understand | 08:22 |
| Tm_T | both dappers? and mean't to upgrade daily? | 08:22 |
| pradeepto | interesting thanks :) raphink jpatrick | 08:22 |
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| raphink | whats' the point of doing that pradeepto? | 08:22 |
| raphink | pradeepto: the main thing we do in dapper lately is fix bugs | 08:22 |
| Tm_T | raphink: that's what I'm asking | 08:22 |
| raphink | so it's better to keep your version up-to-date | 08:22 |
| pradeepto | very interesting question. | 08:23 |
| raphink | having flight 5 installed is useless | 08:23 |
| pradeepto | see the point is... | 08:23 |
| raphink | it's not a fix release | 08:23 |
| raphink | only a snapshot of the dev version | 08:23 |
| pradeepto | I cant afford 2 boxes, but I can pretty much afford a iso download once a week or so. | 08:23 |
| raphink | jpatrick: in case you didn't know, you can ask me when you need uploads to main ,;) | 08:23 |
| raphink | pradeepto: why so? | 08:24 |
| raphink | pradeepto: what's the point in downloading isos ? | 08:24 |
| pradeepto | my grand plan is to test kubuntu isos or something if I can manage :) | 08:24 |
| raphink | ok | 08:25 |
| raphink | then yes I get your point | 08:25 |
| pradeepto | and send reports or something, but these are just plans yet | 08:25 |
| raphink | what you could do I guess | 08:25 |
| raphink | is keep your /home on a separate partition | 08:25 |
| jpatrick | raphink: ok, cool | 08:25 |
| raphink | then each time there's a new df | 08:25 |
| raphink | you can install it | 08:25 |
| raphink | and test | 08:25 |
| raphink | so you don't have to keep two systems | 08:25 |
| pradeepto | df? dapper flight is it? | 08:25 |
| raphink | yes | 08:25 |
| pradeepto | hmmm interesting, I was thinking in the lines of daily builds but once a week on friday, test it on saturday and sunday or something, as I said *grand* plans | 08:27 |
| raphink | hmm | 08:27 |
| pradeepto | raphink: you want me to use same /home for both the versions? | 08:27 |
| raphink | why not test it day by day then? | 08:27 |
| raphink | just dist-upgrading | 08:27 |
| pradeepto | hmmm never knew that would work, n00b you see. | 08:28 |
| raphink | if you're running dapper | 08:28 |
| raphink | dist-upgrading will have you always up-to-date | 08:28 |
| raphink | so when you send bug fixes after having dist-upgraded, you are sure to be sending on the latest version | 08:29 |
| pradeepto | but dist-upgrade what? flight 5 daily? or the separate installation of some dapper version | 08:29 |
| raphink | hmm | 08:29 |
| raphink | I'm not sure you get how apt works, do you? | 08:29 |
| raphink | we add new packages to dapper all the time | 08:30 |
| raphink | I mean new versions of packages | 08:30 |
| pradeepto | you see this is my main box so I would like to have stable running box all the time. Hence the second installation idea? | 08:30 |
| raphink | because dapper is in active development | 08:30 |
| pradeepto | I understand. | 08:30 |
| raphink | any flight version is unstable | 08:31 |
| raphink | and the current dapper is more likely to be more stable than previous flight shots | 08:31 |
| raphink | if you want stable, you want breezy | 08:31 |
| pradeepto | well I am fine with dapper flight 5 actually. | 08:31 |
| pradeepto | oh not that stable :P | 08:31 |
| raphink | dapper will be called stable in june | 08:31 |
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| raphink | not before | 08:31 |
| pradeepto | yup I know. | 08:31 |
| raphink | ok | 08:31 |
| raphink | well there's no reason why dapper flight 5 would be more stable than today's dist-upgrade | 08:32 |
| raphink | so if you want to test | 08:32 |
| pradeepto | my stable thing meant the one install that I wont mess around wit | 08:32 |
| raphink | better dist-upgrade daily | 08:32 |
| raphink | we don't work on dapper flight 5 | 08:32 |
| raphink | nobody minds if dapper flight 5 works or not | 08:32 |
| raphink | it's past and won't be released | 08:32 |
| raphink | it only matters as a test version for a short whilte | 08:32 |
| raphink | while | 08:32 |
| raphink | that''s what I'm tryinig to tell you ... | 08:33 |
| raphink | flight snapshots are _not_ stable | 08:33 |
| pradeepto | I am getting it, I think. | 08:33 |
| raphink | you might mess with them just as much as with today's version | 08:33 |
| raphink | they are just snapshots released once every 2 weeks | 08:33 |
| raphink | that's it | 08:33 |
| raphink | a dapper flight CD is no guarantee of stability | 08:33 |
| pradeepto | so since I have dapper f5 can I not install it on my box and do a dist-upgrade | 08:34 |
| raphink | sure | 08:34 |
| raphink | flight 6 should be out very very soon | 08:34 |
| pradeepto | oke cool | 08:34 |
| raphink | so you can install this one | 08:34 |
| raphink | just as you want ;) | 08:34 |
| raphink | then keep your dapper up-to-date by dist-upgrading | 08:34 |
| raphink | on a regular basis | 08:34 |
| pradeepto | April 20 | 08:34 |
| raphink | what? | 08:34 |
| pradeepto | ok | 08:34 |
| raphink | what april 20 ? | 08:35 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio upload knetworkmanager | 08:35 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: tonio is not here | 08:35 |
| pradeepto | df6, I heard | 08:35 |
| raphink | pradeepto: much sooner for sure | 08:35 |
| raphink | df6 should be this week iirc | 08:35 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: just foun he upload it | 08:35 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: ah ok | 08:35 |
| raphink | good | 08:35 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: it's NEW currently iirc | 08:35 |
| pradeepto | raphink: i was going to install df5 tonight, should I wait a few days? | 08:36 |
| raphink | pradeepto: doesn't matter much I guess | 08:36 |
| raphink | you can install df5 and dist-upgrade | 08:36 |
| pradeepto | hmmm ok | 08:37 |
| raphink | unless you want to give feedback on the installation process in df6 | 08:37 |
| pradeepto | tempting and I dont mind | 08:38 |
| pradeepto | but I want to get rid of fc4 on my desktop :), yuming is not my cup of tea. | 08:39 |
| raphink | hehe | 08:39 |
| Lure | freeflying-ibook: where do you want knm uploaded - Kamion just confirmed that sources went from NEW to build | 08:39 |
| freeflying-ibook | Lure: dapper-changes | 08:40 |
| Lure | freeflying-ibook: I think it should appear there now it passed the NEW queue | 08:41 |
| raphink | ah right | 08:41 |
| raphink | great | 08:41 |
| raphink | :) | 08:41 |
| pradeepto | hey raphink is it cool if I use a different /home on different hdd, on second hdd as secondary I install df6 with separate /home. | 08:58 |
| raphink | sure | 08:58 |
| raphink | you can do that | 08:58 |
| pradeepto | you see I have never installed two versions on the same box, hence these questions. | 08:59 |
| raphink | hop | 08:59 |
| pradeepto | I wonder how will it show up on grub? | 08:59 |
| raphink | uploaded k-d-s with 1st april special background | 08:59 |
| Lure | raphink: cool! ;-) | 08:59 |
| raphink | pradeepto: if you set it well, you can have both systems in grub | 08:59 |
| raphink | depends how you set your menu.lst | 08:59 |
| jpatrick | raphink: ha | 08:59 |
| raphink | :) | 09:00 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:00 |
| pradeepto | k-d-s? | 09:00 |
| raphink | kubuntu-default-settings | 09:00 |
| pradeepto | uh oke | 09:00 |
| raphink | hop, accepted k-d-s :) | 09:04 |
| === pradeepto just started the df5 installation. Good bye FC4. | ||
| === pradeepto had a last look at akademy 05 poster that was his wallpaper :) | ||
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| raphink | Riddell: crystal is much better now | 09:45 |
| raphink | let's see on the long run | 09:45 |
| Riddell | raphink: groovy | 09:45 |
| raphink | Riddell: uploaded the 1st april background | 09:45 |
| Riddell | yeah, well remembered | 09:45 |
| raphink | it should be available in some minutes | 09:45 |
| Riddell | I wonder if I should do an april 1st dot.kde.org story | 09:46 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:46 |
| Riddell | "Ubuntu drops gnome, goes KDE only" | 09:46 |
| pradeepto | Riddell: hmmmm | 09:46 |
| raphink | I was thinking of blogging on it | 09:46 |
| Riddell | might annoy a few people :) | 09:46 |
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| pradeepto | muuuuuaaaahh! | 09:46 |
| raphink | I was asked to review a new Ubuntu book on my blog today | 09:46 |
| Riddell | raphink: oh yes, the Beginning Ubuntu one? | 09:46 |
| raphink | yep | 09:46 |
| raphink | I said they can send it and I'll do my best to review it ;) | 09:47 |
| raphink | won't harm to get a 400 book | 09:47 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:47 |
| raphink | 400 pages | 09:47 |
| pradeepto | wicked | 09:47 |
| raphink | Riddell: did you get this Apple comps offer, too ? | 09:47 |
| pradeepto | raphink: you can use it as paper weight | 09:47 |
| raphink | pradeepto: hmpf | 09:47 |
| raphink | pradeepto: I actually plan on reading it, really ;) | 09:48 |
| Riddell | raphink: no, someone else did | 09:48 |
| pradeepto | ok ok dont get angry :P | 09:48 |
| raphink | Riddell: ah ok, very interesting offer | 09:48 |
| raphink | 50% off on Dual and Quad G5 | 09:48 |
| raphink | makes me want to buy one :) | 09:48 |
| raphink | sponsored by terrasoft, the developers of YellowDog | 09:49 |
| raphink | no wonder they want devs to work on powerpc support | 09:49 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:49 |
| Riddell | I did get that offer, I think they gave it to everyone with a sourceforge account | 09:50 |
| Pygi | nah, I didn't got the offer | 09:50 |
| Riddell | someone else got the ubuntu book review offer | 09:50 |
| Riddell | Pygi: maybe they magically know everyone who has done ppc gnu/linux development | 09:51 |
| Pygi | Riddell: perhaps ;) | 09:51 |
| raphink | Riddell: the apple comps offer seems to have been sent to devs using powerpcs only | 09:51 |
| Lure | [22:10] <CarlFK> why is http://kubuntu.com what it is? | 10:12 |
| Lure | good question... | 10:12 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2229 | 10:15 |
| jpatrick | Lure: whoa | 10:16 |
| Lure | jpatrick: ? | 10:17 |
| jpatrick | how did that get there | 10:17 |
| Lure | not sure - I just copied from #ubuntu-bugs | 10:18 |
| Lure | I didn't even know that kubuntu.com exists... | 10:18 |
| jpatrick | neither did i | 10:18 |
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| pradeepto | :) | 10:20 |
| pradeepto | hello where did crystal window decoration go? | 10:20 |
| freeflying-ibook | Riddell: maybe we can add this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37188 --<logout them | 10:21 |
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| raphink | Riddell: so are you going to make a special post for the 1st of april? | 11:02 |
| Tm_T | kwin crashed again | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | when moving to another window | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | oh well, I now have selfcompiled kwin running so I get good backtrace in next crash | 11:11 |
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| Tm_T | apachelogger: son! | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | mom! | 11:20 |
| Tm_T | what's up | 11:23 |
| robotgeek | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04.html#id2584883 freeflying-ibook | 11:25 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: well done | 11:27 |
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| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: is that correct? | 11:27 |
| freeflying-ibook | Press Ctrl-Space to activate it and enter characters. Alternatively, Skim can also be started by choosing K-Menu->Utilities->Skim from the desktop menu system. | 11:28 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: dosen't need the later after alternatively | 11:28 |
| robotgeek | yeah, that is in palce just if people can't start it (weird keyboard settings, etc) | 11:29 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: without correct configure , skim will be useless | 11:31 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: okay, so the configure is mandatory? | 11:32 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: maybe some experienced guys will use this way | 11:37 |
| robotgeek | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633320 is what you told me yesterday. what should i modify it to? | 11:38 |
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| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: that's for configure | 11:42 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: okay, can you give me instructions for use also? | 11:43 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: just use Ctrl+Space for end uses to input , not mention other, they will be confused by these stuff | 11:44 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: okay. remove the configure part? | 11:45 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633334 okay? | 11:47 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: not configure section , but the Alternatively | 11:47 |
| robotgeek | okay. cool. | 11:47 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: okey | 11:47 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: committed, thanks | 11:49 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: hehe , thank you for those great works | 11:50 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: thank you sir :) | 11:50 |
| robotgeek | i would be documenting squat without your work :) | 11:50 |
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| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: :D | 11:54 |
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