[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs patch works, sending you the diff
[12:57] <kmon> will kmplayer substitute kaffeine?
[12:58] <Riddell> for konqueror plugin yes
[12:58] <kmon> so kubuntu will ship with 2 media players? or kaffeine + kmplayer plugin?
[01:04] <Riddell> kmon: 1 applications, 1 plugin
[01:04] <kmon> Riddell: nice. Ok.
[01:04] <kmon> good night
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[01:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: pong
[01:04] <Tonio_> found a little issue with new knetworkconf
[01:05] <Tonio_> it recorgnises ubuntu but not kubuntu
[01:05] <Tonio_> which results the old warning when launched for the first time
[01:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: how can it recognise ubuntu but not kubuntu?
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I mean, the windows says it cannot detect the distro, but in the "detected list" you can find ubuntu
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell:  let me show you a screenshot
[01:08] <Riddell> hmm, right
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: or maybe the detection function bugs......
[01:12] -banbot:#kubuntu-devel- lol g, join #bant0wn and get hugs visit http://binrev.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #kubuntu-devel SUCKS
[01:13] <Riddell> hmm, works for me
[01:14] <Riddell> but I've had another complaint today that it doesn't work
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested at work, and on my desktop
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested on a new profile ?
[01:15] <Riddell> yeah, just tested on a fresh install
[01:15] <Riddell> BearPerson: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/631722
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange.........
[01:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have the problem on a live CD
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah....
[01:29] <jmarrero> hello!
[01:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah hah :)
[01:29] <Riddell> it's the change to 6.06 version number
[01:29] <Riddell> hi jmarrero 
[01:29] <jmarrero> man I had to stop paying my net because I got a new car
[01:29] <BearPerson> Riddell, we're looking into the problem, thanks
[01:29] <jmarrero> I never could help with dapper drake
[01:29] <jmarrero> :(
[01:29] <Riddell> BearPerson: great, thanks
[01:30] <jmarrero> and now I just have net for one day a frind lend me his cable modem :D I just hooled up to the old line and It works like a charm
[01:30] <jmarrero> but just for one day
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: that simple.........
[01:30] <jmarrero> I I am downloading the latest kubuntu flight , the new breezy live cd
[01:31] <jmarrero> and updating my breezy intall with kde 3.5.2
[01:31] <Riddell> jmarrero: they never cut you off?
[01:31] <jmarrero> nope the line is still online
[01:31] <jmarrero> I can even watch local tv
[01:31] <jmarrero> :)
[01:32] <Riddell> jmarrero: they usually don't bother cutting off the tv, in the UK at least they have to come to your street to do that
[01:32] <Riddell> but internet they can do from their exchange
[01:32] <jmarrero> that is good because I am going to put cable modem again next month :)
[01:32] <Riddell> well, don't do too much bittorrenting, they'll startto notice you :)
[01:32] <jmarrero> the thing is that my friend live very cloose to me
[01:33] <jmarrero> and I can use his mac adrees from my home were i in the same node I think
[01:33] <Riddell> aah
[01:34] <jmarrero> man I cant wait for KDE 4
[01:34] <jmarrero> in kde-look there some screenshoots of what it may look like it looks sweet
[01:34] <Riddell> those aren't screenshots
[01:35] <jmarrero> that are just gimp mookups?
[01:35] <Riddell> or krita mockups
[01:35] <jmarrero> :(
[01:35] <jmarrero> well now I want to cry somehow
[01:38] <Riddell> don't worry, the real thing will look even better
[01:40] <jmarrero> :)
[01:40] <jmarrero> next wendsday I am going to give a little talk about linux
[01:41] <jmarrero> I am going to install Kubuntu on a machine and also gona run kubuntu and ubuntu on their live cds so they can see the difference bettwen gnome and kde
[01:42] <jmarrero> I am in collage studying compther ciense and there almost noone uses linux I am just in the first year and I am going to give a talk about Linux and opensource lol
[01:43] <Riddell> shame I don't have any kubuntu CDs left to give you
[01:43] <jmarrero> u were sending kubuntu cds?
[01:44] <jmarrero> nevermind there never will be on time I live in Puerto Rico
[01:46] <jmarrero> Riddell what are u working on right now? espresso?
[01:49] <Riddell> jmarrero: I'm trying to yes
[01:49] <Riddell> things keep distracting me :(
[01:49] <Tonio_> Sime: display module rocking works for me :)
[01:50] <jmarrero> Riddell lol like this IRC 
[01:50] <jmarrero> na I will go back to my one day net fun
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in crystal icons for guidance ?
[01:51] <Tonio_> I must say I don't much like those actually used......
[01:51] <jmarrero> see u all laterz
[01:51] <jmarrero> seeya Riddell nice to talk to u , God bless I am off to downloading cr*p
[01:51] <Tonio_> they don't fit nicelly with the others in systemsettings
[01:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's only display that isn't crystal no?
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think other ones are flat icons too, but only display looks really different from others, that's true
[01:53] <Tonio_> hum, have they been changed recently ?
[01:53] <jmarrero> sorry
[01:53] <jmarrero> last thing
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: the other ones are crystal, that's true ;)
[01:53] <jmarrero> someone here kwons if I can intall xgl and compiz in  kubuntu dapper drake and it work nice?
[01:54] <jmarrero> just like in gnome
[01:54] <jmarrero> ?
[02:04] <Riddell> jmarrero: no
[02:04] <jmarrero> :(
[02:04] <jmarrero> that is bad
[02:04] <jmarrero> :(
[02:04] <jmarrero> xgl and kde will be nice os X crusher
[02:07] <Tonio_> jmarrero: in my view xgl is born dead ;)
[02:08] <jmarrero> Tonio_ why?
[02:08] <Tonio_> jmarrero: because of aiglx
[02:08] <Tonio_> imagin a simple xorg module that allow the same things
[02:08] <jmarrero> what is that?
[02:09] <Tonio_> in fact xgl is more a technical demo
[02:09] <Tonio_> the future of xgl is xogl
[02:09] <jmarrero> nice
[02:09] <Tonio_> which will be a mix between xgl and xorg
[02:09] <Tonio_> merging codes
[02:09] <jmarrero> :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> the problem with this is that all distros will have to work on its (very diffucult) implementation
[02:10] <Tonio_> that's novell's view of the future
[02:10] <Tonio_> and on the other hand, you have aiglx
[02:10] <Tonio_> the redhat project
[02:10] <Tonio_> it is a simple xorg module
[02:10] <Tonio_> so the implementation is VERY easy
[02:10] <Tonio_> cause you don't have to change anything
[02:10] <jmarrero> and it is fast and can do the same things with videos that xgl does?
[02:11] <Tonio_> it is a kind of "super composite" extension
[02:11] <Tonio_> it does the same things yes
[02:11] <Tonio_> or at least it is supposed to
[02:11] <Tonio_> so in my view distros will probably choose this because it is way easier to implement
[02:11] <Tonio_> but on the other hand, effects can be added to xgl/xogl without touching kde or gnome
[02:12] <Tonio_> with aiglx, the distros will have to implement effects using the module........
[02:12] <Tonio_> so that more work for developpers, but less work for distros
[02:12] <Tonio_> I think that's the option that will win ;)
[02:12] <Tonio_> but we'll see ;)
[02:13] <Tonio_> s/ the distros will have to implement / the DM will have to implement 
[02:14] <Tonio_> of course ;)
[02:15] <Tonio_> jmarrero: http://www.gnome.org/~jrb/aiglx/shot01.ogg
[02:15] <Tonio_> very very short video :)
[02:15] <Tonio_> but that shows the same things are possible with aiglx
[02:15] <jmarrero> downloading it
[02:15] <Tm_T> Tonio_: moin
[02:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T:  ?
[02:16] <Tm_T> well? any results with patch?
[02:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: works :)
[02:16] <Tm_T> whoa
[02:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: Riddell uploaded
[02:16] <jmarrero> nice Tonio_
[02:16] <Tm_T> good
[02:17] <Tonio_> jmarrero: that's only a personal opinion, but I really think the future is aiglx
[02:17] <jmarrero> and when is this going to be realeased for general use like xgl?
[02:17] <Tonio_> jmarrero: ask redhat ;)
[02:17] <jmarrero> lol
[02:17] <jmarrero> ok
[02:18] <Tonio_> jmarrero: the problem with aiglx is that is requires development in the desktop managers
[02:18] <Tonio_> so if kde isn't going to use it, we will not be able to use it in.....
[02:18] <jmarrero> :( that is bad
[02:18] <Tonio_> and I don't know what is kde4 thinking about in the 3D part
[02:19] <jmarrero> but I dont think kde will stay back in this tech
[02:19] <Tonio_> jmarrero: that is bad and good at the same time...
[02:19] <Tonio_> jmarrero: it is not "bad" in the way that it is logic that effects are provided by the desktop manager
[02:19] <Tonio_> the X server is only supposed to provide backends
[02:20] <Tonio_> but that's a bit too technical for me ;)
[02:21] <jmarrero> I did not even usdestood u lol
[02:21] <jmarrero> backends is a too dificult word for me
[02:21] <Tonio_> backend ~= engine/framework
[02:26] <jmarrero> ok
[02:26] <Tm_T> uff
[02:26] <jmarrero> now my english is limited somehow by my spanish
[02:27] <Tm_T> time to repackage Kopete, I think
[02:31] <Tm_T> hmm, should I package beta2 sources or svn?!
[02:31] <Tm_T> bah, beta2 still :)
[02:34] <jmarrero> ubuntu Breezy for i386 PCs with KDE 3.5.2 and KOffice 1.5 RC 1, created on 2006-03-26
[02:35] <jmarrero> this live cd is in english?
[02:36] <seaLne> possibly only due to space constraints
[02:37] <jmarrero> I as kbecause the one with kde 3.5.1 and koffice beta was in dutch or german or something like that I just know I downloaded it and I did not undestood a thing
[02:37] <seaLne> heh
[02:38] <seaLne> fitting stff on live cd is getting harder as people expect more
[02:40] <jmarrero> the idea of the dapper drake live cd with espresso is insane I love it
[02:40] <jmarrero> I think a lot of people will just swith from the normal install cd to that
[02:41] <jmarrero> switch* <-- I think that is how u spell it
[02:43] <Tm_T> yup
[02:43] <Tm_T> AC/DC - Flick Of The Switch
[02:43] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:48] <Tonio_> nite all ;)
[02:48] <Tonio_> seya in three days :)
[02:51] <LeeJunFan> openoffice-kde doesn't like media:/
[02:51] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: hehe, I was just listening to that.
[02:51] <raphink> in three days?
[02:58] <Tm_T> ugh
[02:58] <Tm_T> kwin crashed
[03:42] <Parkotron> I think there's a problem in Kubuntu with the KDE3.5.* versions of Kommander.
[03:45] <Parkotron> I have a script that works perfectly on 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 but causes the kmdr-executor to lock up on 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1.
[03:47] <Parkotron> The about boxes show both as Kommander version 1.2, so the problem has to be with the Kubuntu packages, right?
[05:22] <jmarrero> If I install dapper-drake I will be able to update to the stable vertion once it is done via apt-get?
[05:45] <robotgeek> hey freeflying 
[05:46] <freeflying> robotgeek: hi
[05:46] <robotgeek> freeflying: took a look at kubuntu desktop guide (in khelpcenter)
[05:47] <robotgeek> do you feel like contributing a small section on howto use skim/input non-latin lanugages?
[05:52] <freeflying> robotgeek: no problem , how to write it ? 
[05:53] <robotgeek> freeflying: just write it as a text file and email me, i will take care of docbook stuff 
[05:53] <freeflying> robotgeek: I'd write it as soon as I can 
[05:54] <robotgeek> freeflying: doc string freeze is 6 days away
[05:54] <freeflying> ok
[05:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: thank you :)
[06:22] <freeflying> robotgeek: ping
[06:22] <robotgeek> freeflying: pong
[06:22] <freeflying> robotgeek: flood you , sorry
[06:23] <freeflying> :)
[06:23] <robotgeek> heh, np
[06:23] <robotgeek>  need to install basket
[06:24] <freeflying> robotgeek: you'd correct some grammar adn spelling error for me  :)
[06:24] <freeflying> s/adn/and
[06:25] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes. also it is way too technical for our target audience, i will correct :)
[06:27] <freeflying> hehe 
[06:27] <robotgeek> basket has nice features. 
[06:28] <freeflying> or rewrite it ?
[06:28] <robotgeek> freeflying: no, i needed technical information :)
[06:28] <robotgeek> freeflying: i will write it today, and maybe you can check a little later?
[06:30] <freeflying> robotgeek: my pleasure :)
[06:52] <robotgeek> freeflying: is the language support package installed if correct language is selected on startup?
[06:52] <robotgeek> err, on installation
[06:53] <freeflying> robotgeek: ya
[06:53] <robotgeek> freeflying: okay. cool (one lesser step :) )
[06:53] <freeflying> robotgeek: hehe
[06:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: you meant like language-support-zh ?
[06:58] <freeflying> robotgeek: y
[06:58] <robotgeek> freeflying: curiousity :)
[07:13] <robotgeek> freeflying: written, and commited. do you have svn checked out?
[07:14] <robotgeek> freeflying: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/config-system.xml
[07:34] <robotgeek> howdy seth 
[07:34] <seth> hey hey robotgeek 
[07:50] <robotgeek> howdy seth 
[08:57] <robotgeek> i remember in one of the meetings, we replaced krita by something else (kolourpaint or something). i can't find it in my menu 
[09:18] <hunger> kNM is not in the archives yet?
[09:19] <danimo> hunger: that would be really fast, plus it is said to require NM 0.6.2
[09:20] <hunger> danimo: The gnome stuff seems to get into the archives way faster:-(
[09:20] <danimo> hunger: well, no idea about politics
[09:20] <hunger> danimo: I don't care: hibernate does not work on my laptop due to swap being encrypted.
[09:20] <danimo> hunger: but knm just got imported into _kdereview_, yesterday, it hardly compiling for anything != suse
[09:21] <danimo> hunger: encrypted swap? sounds wicked
[09:21] <hunger> danimo: I got kNM installed. Works fine.
[09:21] <hunger> danimo: Why?
[09:21] <danimo> hunger: doesn't sounds like a well-performing idea
[09:21] <hunger> danimo: I got all user-writeable partitions encrypted.
[09:21] <danimo> yes, but for something that needs to be accessed real fast...
[09:22] <hunger> danimo: I value privacy more than speed;-)
[09:22] <danimo> hunger: did you build debs for knm or just from sources?
[09:22] <hunger> danimo: It is hardly ever used and if it is mostly for tmpfs stuff that I do not really need anyway.
[09:23] <hunger> danimo: Nope. Got it from some archive somewhere.
[09:23] <danimo> and there it is pavckaged already?
[09:23] <hunger> danimo: Well, passwords, etc. can end up getting swapped out, so encrypting swap is important.
[09:23] <hunger> danimo: Yeap.
[09:24] <danimo> I'd rather make sure that swap gets cleaned with a byte pattern on shutdown
[09:24] <danimo> a random one,that is
[09:24] <hunger> danimo: Then someone might still gleam into it at runtime.
[09:25] <hunger> danimo: Plus that is really slow... and your data passwords are on the disk in the clear whenever you hibernate.
[09:25] <danimo> well, If I am root, i can just as well hook into the kernel wherever it can read the swap encrypted
[09:25] <danimo> err, decrypted
[09:26] <danimo> hunger: about knm it's probably better to ask Riddell, but last time I checked knm was waiting for a freeze exception. maybe he also wanted to wait until knm lives up to kde quality standards
[09:27] <danimo> (there were some minor issues that made knm not compile in kde svn, because the build environment is very strict there)
[09:35] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[09:36] <robotgeek> what is the default camera handling program for kubuntu? (digikam is in unierse)
[09:46] <danimo> hunger: do you have the url of that archive?
[10:00] <robotgeek> will someone ping me about the camera handling program in Kubuntu. Need to finish a section
[11:56] <Tm_T> uh
[11:57] <freeflying> Tm_T: evening 
[11:59] <Tm_T> yup
[11:59] <Tm_T> ok, I'm playing more around with versioning
[12:00] <Tm_T> now it's 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu0
[12:01] <freeflying> Tm_T: maybe 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu1
[12:01] <Tm_T> hmm, why 1
[12:02] <Tm_T> ah, then, taking back! :p
[12:02] <Tm_T> it was 1 :p
[12:04] <Tm_T> ok, no touching
[12:05] <Tm_T> freeflying: all seems ok? http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/
[12:07] <freeflying> Tm_T: nice , but withour ppc package :)
[12:07] <Tm_T> freeflying: buy me 12" ibook and that change ;)
[12:10] <freeflying> Tm_T: let me build it for you :)
[12:10] <Tm_T> yay!
[12:10] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:22] <freeflying> Tm_T: hah, you are useing native source tarball instead of debian's 
[12:23] <Tm_T> debians?
[12:23] <Tm_T> is there any debian's source...
[12:25] <Tm_T> freeflying: problem is, I haven't found any debian maintainer who works on 0.12 release
[12:25] <Tm_T> so I'm in solo here
[12:26] <mornfall> 0.12 of what?
[12:26] <Tm_T> Kopete
[12:26] <mornfall> ah
[12:26] <mornfall> well
[12:26] <Tm_T> I tried ml but had no real response
[12:27] <Tm_T> but, I'll try again
[12:50] <Riddell> hunger: knetworkmanager is in NEW
[01:38] <Tm_T> freeflying: what's up
[01:39] <Tm_T> I think I deserve it
[01:44] <raphink> hmmpf
[01:44] <raphink> I can't retrieve my emails in kmail anymore ...
[01:44] <raphink> the button is greyed
[01:44] <raphink> :(
[01:44] <Tm_T> lovely
[01:44] <Tm_T> I'm about to restart my pc
[01:44] <Tm_T> let's see what kind of problems I find :p
[01:45] <raphink> hehe
[01:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: someone can close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[01:54] <Riddell> done
[01:55] <Tm_T> a-ha!
[01:55] <Tm_T> usplash-thingy in shutdown doesn't work
[01:55] <Tm_T> just some pieces of it overlayed the normal text flood
[02:10] <Hobbsee_away> Tm_T: it sometimes works
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe @ ubuntu.
[02:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the bit about the difference between star office and open office...
[02:36] <raphink> the license
[02:36] <Hobbsee> no, 100 quid.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> probably that too
[02:37] <raphink> 100 quid ?
[02:37] <raphink> I'd say the biggest difference is the license
[02:37] <raphink> all the other ones are only a result of this main one
[02:37] <raphink> ;)
[02:37] <raphink> just as for mozilla & netscape
[02:37] <raphink> just my opinion
[02:43] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: sounds reliable =)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i was quoting...
[02:47] <Tm_T> :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I mean't 15:10 < Hobbsee_away> Tm_T: it sometimes works
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh...right...yes.
[03:12] <jjesse> any else having problem staying logged into various sites with the latest updates?
[03:12] <jjesse> struggeling with launchpad.net, slashdot and the wiki
[03:12] <jjesse> every page is asking me to login
[03:19] <seaLne> kded dieing/
[03:19] <seaLne> ?
[03:29] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:29] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I run selfcompiled kwin from now on
[03:32] <Tm_T> oh my...
[03:33] <Tm_T> we really need something that tells to users that *ubuntu's are all the same one big community
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ugh, yes please - and that you can use the ubuntu packages on kubuntu, and vice versa
[03:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: my small effort: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/k-ed-ubuntu/images.html
[03:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: but we need that kind of stuff to ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu artwork packages
[03:45] <Hobbsee> true
[03:45] <Hobbsee> argh!!!!
[03:45] <Tm_T> =)
[03:49] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: nooo
[03:49] <Hobbsee> what, you want me to fall asleep on you?
[03:49] <Tm_T> yes please
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:50] <Hobbsee> dream on
[03:50] <Tm_T> I do I do
[03:50] <Tm_T> :p
[03:50] <Tm_T> anyway, good night and sleep tight
[03:50] <Tm_T> I keep harrassing you tomorrow ;)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ugh
[03:51] <Riddell> jjesse: did you manage to do flight 6 release screenshots?
[03:52] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:53] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I understand you have to glare me, I have my charm afterall
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: please, can it.  for tonight, at least.  i've already been to work tonight.
[03:53] <Tm_T> =)
[03:56] <jjesse> Riddell: i did not have time
[03:56] <jjesse> argh why cant i stay logged into websites with konq since the last updates?
[03:58] <jjesse> everytime i acces a page that requires me to sign in, it logs me out.  for example i login on the wiki, click on a link and i need to login.  only started happening wiith the latest updates
[04:01] <sebas> So the same oops happens with 2.6.16.1 and suspend2 2.2.2.
[04:26] <Riddell> ** flight 6 candidates for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060331/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060331.1/
[05:56] <jpatrick> hey raphink
[05:56] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[05:56] <jpatrick> how's it going?
[05:57] <raphink> good thanks
[05:57] <raphink> you?
[05:57] <jpatrick> not too good
[05:57] <raphink> aw why?
[05:58] <raphink> aw :(
[06:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I upload this kbfx if I fix the CVS dir stuff?
[06:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: you should get another person to revu it
[06:03] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[06:03] <Riddell> poke raphink 
[06:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw is kubuntu.org powered by Drupal?
[06:05] <jpatrick> kubuntu-es.org webmaster is planning to change to Drupal and he'll like to use the theme
[06:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's php
[06:08] <jpatrick> ok I'll tell him that
[06:19] <jpatrick> hey apachelogger
[06:19] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick
[06:20] <raphink> Riddell: Tonio asked you about removiing /usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/entries/system.desktop ?
[06:21] <apachelogger> raphink: UVF exception for kblogger granted http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202
[06:26] <raphink> apachelogger: fine I'll upload
[06:26] <apachelogger> thx :)
[06:27] <raphink> uploaded
[06:33] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, I want to test the system stuff more but that seems to be what we should do
[06:35] <raphink> well it doesn't work
[06:35] <raphink> I rebuilt kdebase with this
[06:35] <raphink> and it didn't remove the system tab 
[06:36] <raphink> it's just a desktop file anyway
[06:36] <raphink> so I should say I've removed this desktop file
[06:36] <raphink> and it didn't remove the tab, if that was what was intented
[06:39] <jpatrick> oh dear
[06:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think I have a problem
[06:45] <jpatrick> kbfx_0.4.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[06:47] <robotgeek> grr. i just downloaded flight 5
[06:48] <raphink> good
[06:48] <raphink> except flight 6 will soon be out
[06:48] <robotgeek> raphink: i saw flight 6 canidate in scrollback :P
[06:49] <raphink> hehe
[06:50] <robotgeek> raphink: would you know if there is something other than digikam for managing digital cameras in kde (digikam is in universe)
[06:50] <raphink> well konqueror does it
[06:50] <raphink> with camera:/
[06:52] <robotgeek> i need to finish the Desktop GUide,and since i don't have a camera :P
[06:52] <raphink> hehe
[07:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: that's good thing no?
[07:01] <Riddell> raphink: it pops up a box same as when yu put in a CD and takes you to camera:/
[07:01] <Riddell> robotgeek rather
[07:01] <Pygi> Riddell: how's the knm coming?
[07:02] <Riddell> Pygi: you can see the archives, you tell me
[07:03] <Pygi> ah, bad :-/
[07:03] <Pygi> or should I update :)
[07:04] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knetworkmanager  doesn't exist, so still in NEW
[07:04] <Pygi> ah, k, thanks ^_^
[07:09] <robotgeek> Riddell: ah, thanks
[07:09] <raphink> yes Riddell
[07:14] <Riddell> salut gouchi 
[07:14] <gouchi> re :)
[07:20] <robotgeek> i tried the Flight 5 and in Windows, it has a title of Ubuntu(instead of Kubuntu) in the window that pops up
[07:21] <Riddell> robotgeek: live or install?
[07:21] <robotgeek> live
[07:21] <Riddell> robotgeek: what windows software is on there?
[07:22] <robotgeek> i'll have to reboot to find out, one sec
[07:22] <Riddell> that would be useful, thanks
[07:28] <robotgeek> kdepim, kexi, firefox, thunderbird, nvu, audacity, abiword, pdfcreator, gimp, celestia.  << Riddell 
[07:30] <Riddell> robotgeek: groovy, thanks
[07:30] <Riddell> would be nice to get scribus on there
[07:30] <Riddell> maybe replace audacity
[07:31] <Lure> kdepim (kontact?) is available for windows?
[07:31] <Riddell> not kontact, just korganiser and kaddressbook
[07:33] <robotgeek> live cd works great on this laptop (except wireles)
[07:33] <Pygi> robotgeek, me to blame :-P
[07:33] <robotgeek> Pygi: i know you tried hard.
[07:33] <pradeepto> its available for windows?
[07:33] <Pygi> robotgeek: will be better ^_^
[07:34] <robotgeek> Pygi: i'm on flight 5 currently, maybe flight 6 will be better :)
[07:34] <Pygi> robotgeek: yes :-P
[07:37] <jpatrick> Riddell: well noone else looked at it
[07:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: did you upload to ubuntu accidently?
[07:40] <jpatrick> yes
[07:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: ah :)
[07:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: dput defaults to revu on my other computer, so i didn't know
[07:45] <Riddell> well, it'll be fine
[07:45] <Riddell> archive it on revu
[07:45] <robotgeek> Riddell: do you know if the example content is going to be preinstalled on the install cd?
[07:46] <Riddell> robotgeek: yes, it is
[07:46] <robotgeek> nice. it will help a lot while testing 
[07:48] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: can you use usb stick disc on your ppc 
[07:48] <jpatrick> raphink: around?
[07:48] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: let me see
[07:50] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: yup. works
[07:50] <jpatrick> freeflying-ibook: kerry was uploaded
[07:50] <freeflying-ibook> jpatrick: got it , hehee
[07:51] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: I can nort use it , even can not be found by lsusb
[07:51] <robotgeek> nice work with kerry, i like it. 
[07:51] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: maybe usb is busted?
[07:51] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: but no problem with other use device 
[07:53] <jjesse> what is kerry?
[07:53] <robotgeek> jjesse: beagle frontend
[07:54] <jpatrick> jjesse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kerry
[07:54] <jjesse> ah front end for beagle :)
[07:55] <freeflying-ibook> dose beagle's maininclusion approved?
[07:55] <robotgeek> what was the keyboard shortcut for catapult again?
[07:55] <Riddell> alt+space
[07:56] <robotgeek> same as kerry's i think
[07:56] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: beagle's libraries are in main but the app is in universe
[07:56] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: then we can not include kerry in main ?
[07:56] <jpatrick> no
[07:56] <jpatrick> because it deps on beagle
[08:01] <raphink> jpatrick: what for?
[08:02] <jpatrick> raphink: revu wants my old email (which I don't have my secret key for)
[08:02] <raphink> ah
[08:02] <raphink> you changed your pgp ?
[08:02] <jpatrick> no it just won't accept the key
[08:02] <jpatrick> so I can't reset password
[08:03] <raphink> hmm weird
[08:03] <raphink> do you want a new REVU password ?
[08:03] <raphink> that's what you want?
[08:03] <jpatrick> yes, please
[08:06] <raphink> what's the address you use to log in jpatrick?
[08:07] <jpatrick> jpatrickdavies@gmail.com one
[08:08] <raphink> hmmm
[08:18] <Riddell> hmm, adept needs to depend on app-install-data
[08:19] <raphink> indeed
[08:19] <raphink> Riddell: would you like me to fix that?
[08:20] <jpatrick> impossible with it in main
[08:20] <raphink> jpatrick: sorry?
[08:20] <jpatrick> isn't adept(ept) in main?
[08:20] <raphink> sure it is
[08:20] <raphink> but Riddell and I can upload to main
[08:21] <pradeepto> btw I have a n00b question? Can I have 2 kubuntus (different versions) on same box? Different hdds perhaps.
[08:21] <raphink> sure pradeepto
[08:21] <jpatrick> pradeepto: yes
[08:21] <raphink> on different partitions
[08:21] <raphink> not even diff hdds
[08:21] <pradeepto> And 2 versions as in dapper flight 5 and daily build
[08:21] <Tm_T> err?
[08:22] <Tm_T> now I don't understand
[08:22] <Tm_T> both dappers? and mean't to upgrade daily?
[08:22] <pradeepto> interesting thanks :) raphink jpatrick 
[08:22] <raphink> whats' the point of doing that pradeepto?
[08:22] <raphink> pradeepto: the main thing we do in dapper lately is fix bugs
[08:22] <Tm_T> raphink: that's what I'm asking
[08:22] <raphink> so it's better to keep your version up-to-date
[08:23] <pradeepto> very interesting question.
[08:23] <raphink> having flight 5 installed is useless
[08:23] <pradeepto> see the point is...
[08:23] <raphink> it's not a fix release
[08:23] <raphink> only a snapshot of the dev version
[08:23] <pradeepto> I cant afford 2 boxes, but I can pretty much afford a iso download once a week or so.
[08:23] <raphink> jpatrick: in case you didn't know, you can ask me when you need uploads to main ,;)
[08:24] <raphink> pradeepto: why so?
[08:24] <raphink> pradeepto: what's the point in downloading isos ?
[08:24] <pradeepto> my grand plan is to test kubuntu isos or something if I can manage :)
[08:25] <raphink> ok
[08:25] <raphink> then yes I get your point
[08:25] <pradeepto> and send reports or something, but these are just plans yet
[08:25] <raphink> what you could do I guess
[08:25] <raphink> is keep your /home on a separate partition
[08:25] <jpatrick> raphink: ok, cool
[08:25] <raphink> then each time there's a new df
[08:25] <raphink> you can install it 
[08:25] <raphink> and test
[08:25] <raphink> so you don't have to keep two systems
[08:25] <pradeepto> df? dapper flight is it?
[08:25] <raphink> yes
[08:27] <pradeepto> hmmm interesting, I was thinking in the lines of daily builds but once a week on friday, test it on saturday and sunday or something, as I said *grand* plans
[08:27] <raphink> hmm
[08:27] <pradeepto> raphink: you want me to use same /home for both the versions?
[08:27] <raphink> why not test it day by day then?
[08:27] <raphink> just dist-upgrading
[08:28] <pradeepto> hmmm never knew that would work, n00b you see.
[08:28] <raphink> if you're running dapper
[08:28] <raphink> dist-upgrading will have you always up-to-date
[08:29] <raphink> so when you send bug fixes after having dist-upgraded, you are sure to be sending on the latest version
[08:29] <pradeepto> but dist-upgrade what? flight 5 daily? or the separate installation of some dapper version
[08:29] <raphink> hmm
[08:29] <raphink> I'm not sure you get how apt works, do you?
[08:30] <raphink> we add new packages to dapper all the time
[08:30] <raphink> I mean new versions of packages
[08:30] <pradeepto> you see this is my main box so I would like to have stable running box all the time. Hence the second installation idea?
[08:30] <raphink> because dapper is in active development
[08:30] <pradeepto> I understand.
[08:31] <raphink> any flight version is unstable
[08:31] <raphink> and the current dapper is more likely to be more stable than previous flight shots
[08:31] <raphink> if you want stable, you want breezy
[08:31] <pradeepto> well I am fine with dapper flight 5 actually.
[08:31] <pradeepto> oh not that stable :P
[08:31] <raphink> dapper will be called stable in june
[08:31] <raphink> not before
[08:31] <pradeepto> yup I know.
[08:31] <raphink> ok
[08:32] <raphink> well there's no reason why dapper flight 5 would be more stable than today's dist-upgrade
[08:32] <raphink> so if you want to test 
[08:32] <pradeepto> my stable thing meant the one install that I wont mess around wit
[08:32] <raphink> better dist-upgrade daily
[08:32] <raphink> we don't work on dapper flight 5
[08:32] <raphink> nobody minds if dapper flight 5 works or not
[08:32] <raphink> it's past and won't be released
[08:32] <raphink> it only matters as a test version for a short whilte
[08:32] <raphink> while
[08:33] <raphink> that''s what I'm tryinig to tell you ...
[08:33] <raphink> flight snapshots are _not_ stable 
[08:33] <pradeepto> I am getting it, I think.
[08:33] <raphink> you might mess with them just as much as with today's version
[08:33] <raphink> they are just snapshots released once every 2 weeks
[08:33] <raphink> that's it
[08:33] <raphink> a dapper flight CD is no guarantee of stability
[08:34] <pradeepto> so since I have dapper f5 can I not install it on my box and do a dist-upgrade
[08:34] <raphink> sure
[08:34] <raphink> flight 6 should be out very very soon
[08:34] <pradeepto> oke cool
[08:34] <raphink> so you can install this one
[08:34] <raphink> just as you want ;)
[08:34] <raphink> then keep your dapper up-to-date by dist-upgrading
[08:34] <raphink> on a regular basis
[08:34] <pradeepto> April 20
[08:34] <raphink> what?
[08:34] <pradeepto> ok
[08:35] <raphink> what april 20 ?
[08:35] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio upload knetworkmanager
[08:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: tonio is not here
[08:35] <pradeepto> df6, I heard
[08:35] <raphink> pradeepto: much sooner for sure
[08:35] <raphink> df6 should be this week iirc
[08:35] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: just foun he upload it 
[08:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: ah ok
[08:35] <raphink> good
[08:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: it's NEW currently iirc
[08:36] <pradeepto> raphink: i was going to install df5 tonight, should I wait a few days?
[08:36] <raphink> pradeepto: doesn't matter much I guess
[08:36] <raphink> you can install df5 and dist-upgrade
[08:37] <pradeepto> hmmm ok
[08:37] <raphink> unless you want to give feedback on the installation process in df6
[08:38] <pradeepto> tempting and I dont mind
[08:39] <pradeepto> but I want to get rid of fc4 on my desktop :), yuming is not my cup of tea.
[08:39] <raphink> hehe
[08:39] <Lure> freeflying-ibook: where do you want knm uploaded - Kamion just confirmed that sources went from NEW to build
[08:40] <freeflying-ibook> Lure: dapper-changes
[08:41] <Lure> freeflying-ibook: I think it should appear there now it passed the NEW queue
[08:41] <raphink> ah right
[08:41] <raphink> great
[08:41] <raphink> :)
[08:58] <pradeepto> hey raphink is it cool if I use a different /home on different hdd, on second hdd as secondary I install df6 with separate /home.
[08:58] <raphink> sure
[08:58] <raphink> you can do that
[08:59] <pradeepto> you see I have never installed two versions on the same box, hence these questions.
[08:59] <raphink> hop
[08:59] <pradeepto> I wonder how will it show up on grub?
[08:59] <raphink> uploaded k-d-s with 1st april special background
[08:59] <Lure> raphink: cool! ;-)
[08:59] <raphink> pradeepto: if you set it well, you can have both systems in grub
[08:59] <raphink> depends how you set your menu.lst
[08:59] <jpatrick> raphink: ha
[09:00] <raphink> :)
[09:00] <raphink> hehe
[09:00] <pradeepto> k-d-s?
[09:00] <raphink> kubuntu-default-settings
[09:00] <pradeepto> uh oke
[09:04] <raphink> hop, accepted k-d-s :)
[09:45] <raphink> Riddell: crystal is much better now
[09:45] <raphink> let's see on the long run
[09:45] <Riddell> raphink: groovy
[09:45] <raphink> Riddell: uploaded the 1st april background
[09:45] <Riddell> yeah, well remembered
[09:45] <raphink> it should be available in some minutes
[09:46] <Riddell> I wonder if I should do an april 1st dot.kde.org story
[09:46] <raphink> hehe
[09:46] <Riddell> "Ubuntu drops gnome, goes KDE only"
[09:46] <pradeepto> Riddell: hmmmm
[09:46] <raphink> I was thinking of blogging on it
[09:46] <Riddell> might annoy a few people :)
[09:46] <pradeepto> muuuuuaaaahh!
[09:46] <raphink> I was asked to review a new Ubuntu book on my blog today
[09:46] <Riddell> raphink: oh yes, the Beginning Ubuntu one?
[09:46] <raphink> yep
[09:47] <raphink> I said they can send it and I'll do my best to review it ;)
[09:47] <raphink> won't harm to get a 400 book 
[09:47] <raphink> hehe
[09:47] <raphink> 400 pages
[09:47] <pradeepto> wicked
[09:47] <raphink> Riddell: did you get this Apple comps offer, too ?
[09:47] <pradeepto> raphink: you can use it as paper weight
[09:47] <raphink> pradeepto: hmpf
[09:48] <raphink> pradeepto: I actually plan on reading it, really ;)
[09:48] <Riddell> raphink: no, someone else did
[09:48] <pradeepto> ok ok dont get angry :P
[09:48] <raphink> Riddell: ah ok, very interesting offer
[09:48] <raphink> 50% off on Dual and Quad G5
[09:48] <raphink> makes me want to buy one :)
[09:49] <raphink> sponsored by terrasoft, the developers of YellowDog
[09:49] <raphink> no wonder they want devs to work on powerpc support
[09:49] <raphink> hehe
[09:50] <Riddell> I did get that offer, I think they gave it to everyone with a sourceforge account
[09:50] <Pygi> nah, I didn't got the offer
[09:50] <Riddell> someone else got the ubuntu book review offer
[09:51] <Riddell> Pygi: maybe they magically know everyone who has done ppc gnu/linux development
[09:51] <Pygi> Riddell: perhaps ;)
[09:51] <raphink> Riddell: the apple comps offer seems to have been sent to devs using powerpcs only
[10:12] <Lure> [22:10]  <CarlFK> why is  http://kubuntu.com what it is?
[10:12] <Lure> good question...
[10:15] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2229
[10:16] <jpatrick> Lure: whoa
[10:17] <Lure> jpatrick: ?
[10:17] <jpatrick> how did that get there
[10:18] <Lure> not sure - I just copied from #ubuntu-bugs
[10:18] <Lure> I didn't even know that kubuntu.com exists...
[10:18] <jpatrick> neither did i
[10:20] <pradeepto> :)
[10:20] <pradeepto> hello where did crystal window decoration go?
[10:21] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: maybe we can add this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37188 --<logout them 
[11:02] <raphink> Riddell: so are you going to make a special post for the 1st of april?
[11:09] <Tm_T> kwin crashed again
[11:10] <Tm_T> when moving to another window
[11:11] <Tm_T> oh well, I now have selfcompiled kwin running so I get good backtrace in next crash
[11:19] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son!
[11:20] <apachelogger> mom!
[11:23] <Tm_T> what's up
[11:25] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04.html#id2584883 freeflying-ibook 
[11:27] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: well done 
[11:27] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: is that correct?
[11:28] <freeflying-ibook> Press Ctrl-Space to activate it and enter characters. Alternatively, Skim can also be started by choosing K-Menu->Utilities->Skim from the desktop menu system.
[11:28] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: dosen't need the later after alternatively
[11:29] <robotgeek> yeah, that is in palce just if people can't start it (weird keyboard settings, etc)
[11:31] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: without correct configure , skim will be useless
[11:32] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: okay, so the configure is mandatory?
[11:37] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: maybe some experienced guys will use this way 
[11:38] <robotgeek> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633320 is what you told me yesterday. what should i modify it to?
[11:42] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: that's for configure
[11:43] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: okay, can you give me instructions for use also?
[11:44] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: just use Ctrl+Space for end uses to input , not mention other, they will be confused by these stuff
[11:45] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: okay. remove the configure part?
[11:47] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633334 okay?
[11:47] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: not configure section , but the  Alternatively 
[11:47] <robotgeek> okay. cool. 
[11:47] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: okey
[11:49] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: committed, thanks
[11:50] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: hehe , thank you for those great works 
[11:50] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: thank you sir :)
[11:50] <robotgeek> i would be documenting squat without your work :)
[11:54] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: :D