=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] Riddell: kdelibs patch works, sending you the diff === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@222.50.183.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] [12:57] will kmplayer substitute kaffeine? === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387FEE9.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Moin] [12:58] for konqueror plugin yes [12:58] so kubuntu will ship with 2 media players? or kaffeine + kmplayer plugin? === Tm_T thinks kmplayer > kaffeine === kmon leaves, good night everyone [01:04] kmon: 1 applications, 1 plugin [01:04] Riddell: nice. Ok. [01:04] good night [01:04] Riddell: ping ? [01:04] Tonio_: pong [01:04] found a little issue with new knetworkconf [01:05] it recorgnises ubuntu but not kubuntu [01:05] which results the old warning when launched for the first time [01:06] Tonio_: how can it recognise ubuntu but not kubuntu? [01:07] Riddell: I mean, the windows says it cannot detect the distro, but in the "detected list" you can find ubuntu [01:07] Riddell: let me show you a screenshot [01:08] hmm, right [01:08] Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png [01:09] Riddell: or maybe the detection function bugs...... === banbot [n=banbot@tor/session/x-e6ee67d8fed4a666] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] -banbot:#kubuntu-devel- lol g, join #bant0wn and get hugs visit http://binrev.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #kubuntu-devel SUCKS === banbot [n=banbot@tor/session/x-e6ee67d8fed4a666] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Riddell reports [01:13] hmm, works for me [01:14] but I've had another complaint today that it doesn't work [01:14] Riddell: I tested at work, and on my desktop [01:14] Riddell: tested on a new profile ? [01:15] yeah, just tested on a fresh install === BearPerson [i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] BearPerson: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/631722 [01:16] Riddell: strange......... === BearPerson hrrm's === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:28] Tonio_: I have the problem on a live CD [01:28] Riddell: ah.... [01:29] hello! [01:29] Tonio_: ah hah :) [01:29] it's the change to 6.06 version number [01:29] hi jmarrero [01:29] man I had to stop paying my net because I got a new car [01:29] Riddell, we're looking into the problem, thanks [01:29] I never could help with dapper drake [01:29] :( [01:29] BearPerson: great, thanks [01:30] and now I just have net for one day a frind lend me his cable modem :D I just hooled up to the old line and It works like a charm [01:30] but just for one day [01:30] Riddell: that simple......... [01:30] I I am downloading the latest kubuntu flight , the new breezy live cd [01:31] and updating my breezy intall with kde 3.5.2 [01:31] jmarrero: they never cut you off? [01:31] nope the line is still online [01:31] I can even watch local tv [01:31] :) [01:32] jmarrero: they usually don't bother cutting off the tv, in the UK at least they have to come to your street to do that [01:32] but internet they can do from their exchange [01:32] that is good because I am going to put cable modem again next month :) [01:32] well, don't do too much bittorrenting, they'll startto notice you :) [01:32] the thing is that my friend live very cloose to me [01:33] and I can use his mac adrees from my home were i in the same node I think [01:33] aah [01:34] man I cant wait for KDE 4 [01:34] in kde-look there some screenshoots of what it may look like it looks sweet [01:34] those aren't screenshots [01:35] that are just gimp mookups? [01:35] or krita mockups [01:35] :( [01:35] well now I want to cry somehow [01:38] don't worry, the real thing will look even better [01:40] :) [01:40] next wendsday I am going to give a little talk about linux [01:41] I am going to install Kubuntu on a machine and also gona run kubuntu and ubuntu on their live cds so they can see the difference bettwen gnome and kde [01:42] I am in collage studying compther ciense and there almost noone uses linux I am just in the first year and I am going to give a talk about Linux and opensource lol [01:43] shame I don't have any kubuntu CDs left to give you [01:43] u were sending kubuntu cds? [01:44] nevermind there never will be on time I live in Puerto Rico [01:46] Riddell what are u working on right now? espresso? [01:49] jmarrero: I'm trying to yes [01:49] things keep distracting me :( [01:49] Sime: display module rocking works for me :) [01:50] Riddell lol like this IRC [01:50] na I will go back to my one day net fun [01:51] Riddell: interested in crystal icons for guidance ? [01:51] I must say I don't much like those actually used...... [01:51] see u all laterz [01:51] seeya Riddell nice to talk to u , God bless I am off to downloading cr*p === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:51] they don't fit nicelly with the others in systemsettings [01:52] Tonio_: it's only display that isn't crystal no? [01:52] Riddell: I think other ones are flat icons too, but only display looks really different from others, that's true === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] hum, have they been changed recently ? [01:53] sorry [01:53] last thing [01:53] Riddell: the other ones are crystal, that's true ;) [01:53] someone here kwons if I can intall xgl and compiz in kubuntu dapper drake and it work nice? [01:54] just like in gnome [01:54] ? [02:04] jmarrero: no === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] :( [02:04] that is bad [02:04] :( [02:04] xgl and kde will be nice os X crusher [02:07] jmarrero: in my view xgl is born dead ;) [02:08] Tonio_ why? [02:08] jmarrero: because of aiglx [02:08] imagin a simple xorg module that allow the same things [02:08] what is that? [02:09] in fact xgl is more a technical demo [02:09] the future of xgl is xogl [02:09] nice [02:09] which will be a mix between xgl and xorg [02:09] merging codes [02:09] :) [02:09] the problem with this is that all distros will have to work on its (very diffucult) implementation [02:10] that's novell's view of the future [02:10] and on the other hand, you have aiglx [02:10] the redhat project [02:10] it is a simple xorg module [02:10] so the implementation is VERY easy [02:10] cause you don't have to change anything [02:10] and it is fast and can do the same things with videos that xgl does? [02:11] it is a kind of "super composite" extension [02:11] it does the same things yes [02:11] or at least it is supposed to [02:11] so in my view distros will probably choose this because it is way easier to implement [02:11] but on the other hand, effects can be added to xgl/xogl without touching kde or gnome [02:12] with aiglx, the distros will have to implement effects using the module........ [02:12] so that more work for developpers, but less work for distros [02:12] I think that's the option that will win ;) [02:12] but we'll see ;) [02:13] s/ the distros will have to implement / the DM will have to implement [02:14] of course ;) [02:15] jmarrero: http://www.gnome.org/~jrb/aiglx/shot01.ogg [02:15] very very short video :) [02:15] but that shows the same things are possible with aiglx [02:15] downloading it [02:15] Tonio_: moin [02:16] Tm_T: ? [02:16] well? any results with patch? [02:16] Tm_T: works :) === Tm_T is sleeping as you all can see [02:16] whoa [02:16] Tm_T: Riddell uploaded [02:16] nice Tonio_ [02:16] good [02:17] jmarrero: that's only a personal opinion, but I really think the future is aiglx [02:17] and when is this going to be realeased for general use like xgl? [02:17] jmarrero: ask redhat ;) [02:17] lol [02:17] ok [02:18] jmarrero: the problem with aiglx is that is requires development in the desktop managers [02:18] so if kde isn't going to use it, we will not be able to use it in..... [02:18] :( that is bad [02:18] and I don't know what is kde4 thinking about in the 3D part [02:19] but I dont think kde will stay back in this tech [02:19] jmarrero: that is bad and good at the same time... [02:19] jmarrero: it is not "bad" in the way that it is logic that effects are provided by the desktop manager [02:19] the X server is only supposed to provide backends [02:20] but that's a bit too technical for me ;) [02:21] I did not even usdestood u lol [02:21] backends is a too dificult word for me [02:21] backend ~= engine/framework [02:26] ok [02:26] uff [02:26] now my english is limited somehow by my spanish [02:27] time to repackage Kopete, I think [02:31] hmm, should I package beta2 sources or svn?! [02:31] bah, beta2 still :) === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034213194.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] ubuntu Breezy for i386 PCs with KDE 3.5.2 and KOffice 1.5 RC 1, created on 2006-03-26 [02:35] this live cd is in english? [02:36] possibly only due to space constraints [02:37] I as kbecause the one with kde 3.5.1 and koffice beta was in dutch or german or something like that I just know I downloaded it and I did not undestood a thing [02:37] heh [02:38] fitting stff on live cd is getting harder as people expect more [02:40] the idea of the dapper drake live cd with espresso is insane I love it [02:40] I think a lot of people will just swith from the normal install cd to that [02:41] switch* <-- I think that is how u spell it [02:43] yup [02:43] AC/DC - Flick Of The Switch [02:43] ;) [02:48] nite all ;) [02:48] seya in three days :) [02:51] openoffice-kde doesn't like media:/ [02:51] Tm_T: hehe, I was just listening to that. [02:51] in three days? [02:58] ugh [02:58] kwin crashed === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] I think there's a problem in Kubuntu with the KDE3.5.* versions of Kommander. === BearPerson [i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson] has left #kubuntu-devel ["*wave*"] [03:45] I have a script that works perfectly on 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 but causes the kmdr-executor to lock up on 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1. [03:47] The about boxes show both as Kommander version 1.2, so the problem has to be with the Kubuntu packages, right? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:22] If I install dapper-drake I will be able to update to the stable vertion once it is done via apt-get? === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] hey freeflying [05:46] robotgeek: hi [05:46] freeflying: took a look at kubuntu desktop guide (in khelpcenter) [05:47] do you feel like contributing a small section on howto use skim/input non-latin lanugages? [05:52] robotgeek: no problem , how to write it ? [05:53] freeflying: just write it as a text file and email me, i will take care of docbook stuff [05:53] robotgeek: I'd write it as soon as I can [05:54] freeflying: doc string freeze is 6 days away [05:54] ok [05:55] freeflying: thank you :) === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:22] robotgeek: ping [06:22] freeflying: pong [06:22] robotgeek: flood you , sorry [06:23] :) [06:23] heh, np [06:23] need to install basket [06:24] robotgeek: you'd correct some grammar adn spelling error for me :) [06:24] s/adn/and [06:25] freeflying: yes. also it is way too technical for our target audience, i will correct :) [06:27] hehe [06:27] basket has nice features. [06:28] or rewrite it ? [06:28] freeflying: no, i needed technical information :) [06:28] freeflying: i will write it today, and maybe you can check a little later? [06:30] robotgeek: my pleasure :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact_ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] freeflying: is the language support package installed if correct language is selected on startup? [06:52] err, on installation [06:53] robotgeek: ya [06:53] freeflying: okay. cool (one lesser step :) ) [06:53] robotgeek: hehe [06:55] freeflying: you meant like language-support-zh ? [06:58] robotgeek: y [06:58] freeflying: curiousity :) [07:13] freeflying: written, and commited. do you have svn checked out? [07:14] freeflying: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/config-system.xml === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@206.248.107.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] howdy seth [07:34] hey hey robotgeek [07:50] howdy seth === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-82.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-82.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-82.maa.sify.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] i remember in one of the meetings, we replaced krita by something else (kolourpaint or something). i can't find it in my menu === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:18] kNM is not in the archives yet? [09:19] hunger: that would be really fast, plus it is said to require NM 0.6.2 === danimo wonders why dapper doesn't have suspend2 integrated [09:20] danimo: The gnome stuff seems to get into the archives way faster:-( [09:20] hunger: well, no idea about politics [09:20] danimo: I don't care: hibernate does not work on my laptop due to swap being encrypted. [09:20] hunger: but knm just got imported into _kdereview_, yesterday, it hardly compiling for anything != suse [09:21] hunger: encrypted swap? sounds wicked [09:21] danimo: I got kNM installed. Works fine. [09:21] danimo: Why? [09:21] hunger: doesn't sounds like a well-performing idea [09:21] danimo: I got all user-writeable partitions encrypted. [09:21] yes, but for something that needs to be accessed real fast... [09:22] danimo: I value privacy more than speed;-) [09:22] hunger: did you build debs for knm or just from sources? [09:22] danimo: It is hardly ever used and if it is mostly for tmpfs stuff that I do not really need anyway. [09:23] danimo: Nope. Got it from some archive somewhere. [09:23] and there it is pavckaged already? [09:23] danimo: Well, passwords, etc. can end up getting swapped out, so encrypting swap is important. [09:23] danimo: Yeap. [09:24] I'd rather make sure that swap gets cleaned with a byte pattern on shutdown [09:24] a random one,that is [09:24] danimo: Then someone might still gleam into it at runtime. [09:25] danimo: Plus that is really slow... and your data passwords are on the disk in the clear whenever you hibernate. [09:25] well, If I am root, i can just as well hook into the kernel wherever it can read the swap encrypted [09:25] err, decrypted [09:26] hunger: about knm it's probably better to ask Riddell, but last time I checked knm was waiting for a freeze exception. maybe he also wanted to wait until knm lives up to kde quality standards [09:27] (there were some minor issues that made knm not compile in kde svn, because the build environment is very strict there) [09:35] Riddell: ping? [09:36] what is the default camera handling program for kubuntu? (digikam is in unierse) === _freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:46] hunger: do you have the url of that archive? === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] will someone ping me about the camera handling program in Kubuntu. Need to finish a section === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387C22B.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact_ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] uh [11:57] Tm_T: evening [11:59] yup [11:59] ok, I'm playing more around with versioning [12:00] now it's 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu0 [12:01] Tm_T: maybe 4:3.5.2-kopete0.12-0ubuntu1 [12:01] hmm, why 1 [12:02] ah, then, taking back! :p [12:02] it was 1 :p [12:04] ok, no touching [12:05] freeflying: all seems ok? http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ [12:07] Tm_T: nice , but withour ppc package :) [12:07] freeflying: buy me 12" ibook and that change ;) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] Tm_T: let me build it for you :) [12:10] yay! [12:10] thanks === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] Tm_T: hah, you are useing native source tarball instead of debian's [12:23] debians? [12:23] is there any debian's source... [12:25] freeflying: problem is, I haven't found any debian maintainer who works on 0.12 release [12:25] so I'm in solo here [12:26] 0.12 of what? [12:26] Kopete [12:26] ah [12:26] well [12:26] I tried ml but had no real response [12:27] but, I'll try again === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] hunger: knetworkmanager is in NEW === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp100-adsl-169.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:38] freeflying: what's up === Tm_T will drink guinness today [01:39] I think I deserve it [01:44] hmmpf [01:44] I can't retrieve my emails in kmail anymore ... [01:44] the button is greyed [01:44] :( [01:44] lovely [01:44] I'm about to restart my pc [01:44] let's see what kind of problems I find :p [01:45] hehe === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Riddell: someone can close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460 [01:52] Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Confirmed] [01:54] done [01:55] a-ha! [01:55] usplash-thingy in shutdown doesn't work [01:55] just some pieces of it overlayed the normal text flood [02:10] Tm_T: it sometimes works === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] Riddell: hehe @ ubuntu. [02:18] Hobbsee: hmm? [02:18] Riddell: the bit about the difference between star office and open office... [02:36] the license [02:36] no, 100 quid. [02:37] probably that too [02:37] 100 quid ? [02:37] I'd say the biggest difference is the license [02:37] all the other ones are only a result of this main one [02:37] ;) [02:37] just as for mozilla & netscape [02:37] just my opinion [02:43] Hobbsee: sounds reliable =) [02:43] Tm_T: i was quoting... === Hobbsee never deals in quid :P [02:47] :) [02:47] Hobbsee: I mean't 15:10 < Hobbsee_away> Tm_T: it sometimes works [02:48] Tm_T: oh...right...yes. [03:12] any else having problem staying logged into various sites with the latest updates? [03:12] struggeling with launchpad.net, slashdot and the wiki [03:12] every page is asking me to login [03:19] kded dieing/ [03:19] ? [03:29] ugh [03:29] hmm, maybe I run selfcompiled kwin from now on [03:32] oh my... [03:33] we really need something that tells to users that *ubuntu's are all the same one big community [03:33] ugh, yes please - and that you can use the ubuntu packages on kubuntu, and vice versa [03:33] Hobbsee: my small effort: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/k-ed-ubuntu/images.html === faked [n=faked@85-124-44-60.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] Hobbsee: but we need that kind of stuff to ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu artwork packages [03:45] true [03:45] argh!!!! === Hobbsee is not a bot! === Hobbsee does not know everything! [03:45] =) === Hobbsee beds, before getting asked more stuff that she doesnt know the answers to === Tm_T has nice moire effects in his desktop <3 [03:49] Hobbsee: nooo [03:49] what, you want me to fall asleep on you? [03:49] yes please [03:50] heh [03:50] dream on [03:50] I do I do [03:50] :p [03:50] anyway, good night and sleep tight [03:50] I keep harrassing you tomorrow ;) [03:51] ugh === Hobbsee glares at Tm_T [03:51] jjesse: did you manage to do flight 6 release screenshots? [03:52] ugh === Hobbsee curses at pasters... [03:53] Hobbsee: I understand you have to glare me, I have my charm afterall [03:53] Tm_T: please, can it. for tonight, at least. i've already been to work tonight. [03:53] =) === Tm_T quit's his self irony for a moment, have to be serious sometimes [03:56] Riddell: i did not have time [03:56] argh why cant i stay logged into websites with konq since the last updates? [03:58] everytime i acces a page that requires me to sign in, it logs me out. for example i login on the wiki, click on a link and i need to login. only started happening wiith the latest updates [04:01] So the same oops happens with 2.6.16.1 and suspend2 2.2.2. === My8os [n=My8os@ppp1-adsl-69.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] ** flight 6 candidates for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060331/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060331.1/ === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AAC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.251] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AAC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] hey raphink [05:56] hi jpatrick [05:56] how's it going? [05:57] good thanks [05:57] you? [05:57] not too good [05:57] aw why? [05:58] aw :( [06:02] Riddell: can I upload this kbfx if I fix the CVS dir stuff? [06:03] jpatrick: you should get another person to revu it [06:03] oh yeah [06:03] poke raphink [06:05] Riddell: btw is kubuntu.org powered by Drupal? [06:05] kubuntu-es.org webmaster is planning to change to Drupal and he'll like to use the theme [06:07] jpatrick: it's php [06:08] ok I'll tell him that === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] hey apachelogger [06:19] ahoy jpatrick [06:20] Riddell: Tonio asked you about removiing /usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/entries/system.desktop ? [06:21] raphink: UVF exception for kblogger granted http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2202 === My8os [n=My8os@ppp81-adsl-107.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-246-208.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:26] apachelogger: fine I'll upload [06:26] thx :) [06:27] uploaded === hunger [n=tobias@p54A63BD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] raphink: yeah, I want to test the system stuff more but that seems to be what we should do [06:35] well it doesn't work [06:35] I rebuilt kdebase with this [06:35] and it didn't remove the system tab [06:36] it's just a desktop file anyway [06:36] so I should say I've removed this desktop file [06:36] and it didn't remove the tab, if that was what was intented === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [06:39] oh dear [06:44] Riddell: I think I have a problem [06:45] kbfx_0.4.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-20-75.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] grr. i just downloaded flight 5 [06:48] good [06:48] except flight 6 will soon be out [06:48] raphink: i saw flight 6 canidate in scrollback :P [06:49] hehe [06:50] raphink: would you know if there is something other than digikam for managing digital cameras in kde (digikam is in universe) [06:50] well konqueror does it [06:50] with camera:/ [06:52] i need to finish the Desktop GUide,and since i don't have a camera :P [06:52] hehe [07:00] jpatrick: that's good thing no? === pef is now known as pef_aw [07:01] raphink: it pops up a box same as when yu put in a CD and takes you to camera:/ [07:01] robotgeek rather [07:01] Riddell: how's the knm coming? [07:02] Pygi: you can see the archives, you tell me [07:03] ah, bad :-/ [07:03] or should I update :) [07:04] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knetworkmanager doesn't exist, so still in NEW [07:04] ah, k, thanks ^_^ [07:09] Riddell: ah, thanks [07:09] yes Riddell === gouchi [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-95-254.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] salut gouchi [07:14] re :) === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] i tried the Flight 5 and in Windows, it has a title of Ubuntu(instead of Kubuntu) in the window that pops up [07:21] robotgeek: live or install? [07:21] live [07:21] robotgeek: what windows software is on there? [07:22] i'll have to reboot to find out, one sec [07:22] that would be useful, thanks === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-243.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:28] kdepim, kexi, firefox, thunderbird, nvu, audacity, abiword, pdfcreator, gimp, celestia. << Riddell [07:30] robotgeek: groovy, thanks [07:30] would be nice to get scribus on there [07:30] maybe replace audacity [07:31] kdepim (kontact?) is available for windows? [07:31] not kontact, just korganiser and kaddressbook [07:33] live cd works great on this laptop (except wireles) [07:33] robotgeek, me to blame :-P [07:33] Pygi: i know you tried hard. [07:33] its available for windows? [07:33] robotgeek: will be better ^_^ [07:34] Pygi: i'm on flight 5 currently, maybe flight 6 will be better :) [07:34] robotgeek: yes :-P [07:37] Riddell: well noone else looked at it === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] jpatrick: did you upload to ubuntu accidently? [07:40] yes [07:41] jpatrick: ah :) [07:42] Riddell: dput defaults to revu on my other computer, so i didn't know [07:45] well, it'll be fine [07:45] archive it on revu [07:45] Riddell: do you know if the example content is going to be preinstalled on the install cd? [07:46] robotgeek: yes, it is [07:46] nice. it will help a lot while testing [07:48] robotgeek: can you use usb stick disc on your ppc [07:48] raphink: around? [07:48] freeflying-ibook: let me see [07:50] freeflying-ibook: yup. works [07:50] freeflying-ibook: kerry was uploaded [07:50] jpatrick: got it , hehee [07:51] robotgeek: I can nort use it , even can not be found by lsusb [07:51] nice work with kerry, i like it. [07:51] freeflying-ibook: maybe usb is busted? [07:51] robotgeek: but no problem with other use device === robotgeek put a usb wireless stick in the laundry yesterday [07:53] what is kerry? [07:53] jjesse: beagle frontend [07:54] jjesse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kerry [07:54] ah front end for beagle :) [07:55] dose beagle's maininclusion approved? === gouchi [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-95-254.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:55] what was the keyboard shortcut for catapult again? [07:55] alt+space [07:56] same as kerry's i think [07:56] freeflying-ibook: beagle's libraries are in main but the app is in universe [07:56] Riddell: then we can not include kerry in main ? [07:56] no [07:56] because it deps on beagle === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034217112.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] jpatrick: what for? [08:02] raphink: revu wants my old email (which I don't have my secret key for) [08:02] ah [08:02] you changed your pgp ? [08:02] no it just won't accept the key [08:02] so I can't reset password [08:03] hmm weird [08:03] do you want a new REVU password ? [08:03] that's what you want? [08:03] yes, please [08:06] what's the address you use to log in jpatrick? [08:07] jpatrickdavies@gmail.com one === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5472.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] hmmm [08:18] hmm, adept needs to depend on app-install-data [08:19] indeed === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:19] Riddell: would you like me to fix that? [08:20] impossible with it in main === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-20-75.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:20] jpatrick: sorry? [08:20] isn't adept(ept) in main? [08:20] sure it is [08:20] but Riddell and I can upload to main [08:21] btw I have a n00b question? Can I have 2 kubuntus (different versions) on same box? Different hdds perhaps. [08:21] sure pradeepto [08:21] pradeepto: yes [08:21] on different partitions [08:21] not even diff hdds [08:21] And 2 versions as in dapper flight 5 and daily build [08:21] err? [08:22] now I don't understand [08:22] both dappers? and mean't to upgrade daily? [08:22] interesting thanks :) raphink jpatrick === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-181.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] whats' the point of doing that pradeepto? [08:22] pradeepto: the main thing we do in dapper lately is fix bugs [08:22] raphink: that's what I'm asking [08:22] so it's better to keep your version up-to-date [08:23] very interesting question. [08:23] having flight 5 installed is useless [08:23] see the point is... [08:23] it's not a fix release [08:23] only a snapshot of the dev version [08:23] I cant afford 2 boxes, but I can pretty much afford a iso download once a week or so. [08:23] jpatrick: in case you didn't know, you can ask me when you need uploads to main ,;) [08:24] pradeepto: why so? [08:24] pradeepto: what's the point in downloading isos ? [08:24] my grand plan is to test kubuntu isos or something if I can manage :) [08:25] ok [08:25] then yes I get your point [08:25] and send reports or something, but these are just plans yet [08:25] what you could do I guess [08:25] is keep your /home on a separate partition [08:25] raphink: ok, cool [08:25] then each time there's a new df [08:25] you can install it [08:25] and test [08:25] so you don't have to keep two systems [08:25] df? dapper flight is it? [08:25] yes [08:27] hmmm interesting, I was thinking in the lines of daily builds but once a week on friday, test it on saturday and sunday or something, as I said *grand* plans [08:27] hmm [08:27] raphink: you want me to use same /home for both the versions? [08:27] why not test it day by day then? [08:27] just dist-upgrading [08:28] hmmm never knew that would work, n00b you see. [08:28] if you're running dapper [08:28] dist-upgrading will have you always up-to-date [08:29] so when you send bug fixes after having dist-upgraded, you are sure to be sending on the latest version [08:29] but dist-upgrade what? flight 5 daily? or the separate installation of some dapper version [08:29] hmm [08:29] I'm not sure you get how apt works, do you? [08:30] we add new packages to dapper all the time [08:30] I mean new versions of packages [08:30] you see this is my main box so I would like to have stable running box all the time. Hence the second installation idea? [08:30] because dapper is in active development [08:30] I understand. [08:31] any flight version is unstable [08:31] and the current dapper is more likely to be more stable than previous flight shots [08:31] if you want stable, you want breezy [08:31] well I am fine with dapper flight 5 actually. [08:31] oh not that stable :P [08:31] dapper will be called stable in june === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6A2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] not before [08:31] yup I know. [08:31] ok [08:32] well there's no reason why dapper flight 5 would be more stable than today's dist-upgrade [08:32] so if you want to test [08:32] my stable thing meant the one install that I wont mess around wit [08:32] better dist-upgrade daily [08:32] we don't work on dapper flight 5 [08:32] nobody minds if dapper flight 5 works or not [08:32] it's past and won't be released [08:32] it only matters as a test version for a short whilte [08:32] while [08:33] that''s what I'm tryinig to tell you ... [08:33] flight snapshots are _not_ stable [08:33] I am getting it, I think. [08:33] you might mess with them just as much as with today's version [08:33] they are just snapshots released once every 2 weeks [08:33] that's it [08:33] a dapper flight CD is no guarantee of stability [08:34] so since I have dapper f5 can I not install it on my box and do a dist-upgrade [08:34] sure [08:34] flight 6 should be out very very soon [08:34] oke cool [08:34] so you can install this one [08:34] just as you want ;) [08:34] then keep your dapper up-to-date by dist-upgrading [08:34] on a regular basis [08:34] April 20 [08:34] what? [08:34] ok [08:35] what april 20 ? [08:35] Tonio upload knetworkmanager [08:35] freeflying-ibook: tonio is not here [08:35] df6, I heard [08:35] pradeepto: much sooner for sure [08:35] df6 should be this week iirc [08:35] raphink: just foun he upload it [08:35] freeflying-ibook: ah ok [08:35] good [08:35] freeflying-ibook: it's NEW currently iirc [08:36] raphink: i was going to install df5 tonight, should I wait a few days? [08:36] pradeepto: doesn't matter much I guess [08:36] you can install df5 and dist-upgrade [08:37] hmmm ok [08:37] unless you want to give feedback on the installation process in df6 [08:38] tempting and I dont mind [08:39] but I want to get rid of fc4 on my desktop :), yuming is not my cup of tea. [08:39] hehe [08:39] freeflying-ibook: where do you want knm uploaded - Kamion just confirmed that sources went from NEW to build [08:40] Lure: dapper-changes [08:41] freeflying-ibook: I think it should appear there now it passed the NEW queue [08:41] ah right [08:41] great [08:41] :) [08:58] hey raphink is it cool if I use a different /home on different hdd, on second hdd as secondary I install df6 with separate /home. [08:58] sure [08:58] you can do that [08:59] you see I have never installed two versions on the same box, hence these questions. [08:59] hop [08:59] I wonder how will it show up on grub? [08:59] uploaded k-d-s with 1st april special background [08:59] raphink: cool! ;-) [08:59] pradeepto: if you set it well, you can have both systems in grub [08:59] depends how you set your menu.lst [08:59] raphink: ha [09:00] :) [09:00] hehe [09:00] k-d-s? [09:00] kubuntu-default-settings [09:00] uh oke [09:04] hop, accepted k-d-s :) === pradeepto just started the df5 installation. Good bye FC4. === pradeepto had a last look at akademy 05 poster that was his wallpaper :) === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] Riddell: crystal is much better now [09:45] let's see on the long run [09:45] raphink: groovy [09:45] Riddell: uploaded the 1st april background [09:45] yeah, well remembered [09:45] it should be available in some minutes [09:46] I wonder if I should do an april 1st dot.kde.org story [09:46] hehe [09:46] "Ubuntu drops gnome, goes KDE only" [09:46] Riddell: hmmmm [09:46] I was thinking of blogging on it [09:46] might annoy a few people :) === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:46] muuuuuaaaahh! [09:46] I was asked to review a new Ubuntu book on my blog today [09:46] raphink: oh yes, the Beginning Ubuntu one? [09:46] yep [09:47] I said they can send it and I'll do my best to review it ;) [09:47] won't harm to get a 400 book [09:47] hehe [09:47] 400 pages [09:47] wicked [09:47] Riddell: did you get this Apple comps offer, too ? [09:47] raphink: you can use it as paper weight [09:47] pradeepto: hmpf [09:48] pradeepto: I actually plan on reading it, really ;) [09:48] raphink: no, someone else did [09:48] ok ok dont get angry :P [09:48] Riddell: ah ok, very interesting offer [09:48] 50% off on Dual and Quad G5 [09:48] makes me want to buy one :) [09:49] sponsored by terrasoft, the developers of YellowDog [09:49] no wonder they want devs to work on powerpc support [09:49] hehe [09:50] I did get that offer, I think they gave it to everyone with a sourceforge account [09:50] nah, I didn't got the offer [09:50] someone else got the ubuntu book review offer [09:51] Pygi: maybe they magically know everyone who has done ppc gnu/linux development [09:51] Riddell: perhaps ;) [09:51] Riddell: the apple comps offer seems to have been sent to devs using powerpcs only [10:12] [22:10] why is http://kubuntu.com what it is? [10:12] good question... [10:15] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2229 [10:16] Lure: whoa [10:17] jpatrick: ? [10:17] how did that get there [10:18] not sure - I just copied from #ubuntu-bugs [10:18] I didn't even know that kubuntu.com exists... [10:18] neither did i === pradeepto is happy to have dapper running : [10:20] :) [10:20] hello where did crystal window decoration go? [10:21] Riddell: maybe we can add this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37188 -- Riddell: so are you going to make a special post for the 1st of april? [11:09] kwin crashed again [11:10] when moving to another window [11:11] oh well, I now have selfcompiled kwin running so I get good backtrace in next crash === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] apachelogger: son! [11:20] mom! [11:23] what's up [11:25] http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04.html#id2584883 freeflying-ibook [11:27] robotgeek: well done === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] freeflying-ibook: is that correct? [11:28] Press Ctrl-Space to activate it and enter characters. Alternatively, Skim can also be started by choosing K-Menu->Utilities->Skim from the desktop menu system. [11:28] robotgeek: dosen't need the later after alternatively [11:29] yeah, that is in palce just if people can't start it (weird keyboard settings, etc) [11:31] robotgeek: without correct configure , skim will be useless [11:32] freeflying-ibook: okay, so the configure is mandatory? [11:37] robotgeek: maybe some experienced guys will use this way [11:38] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633320 is what you told me yesterday. what should i modify it to? === enfact_ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:42] robotgeek: that's for configure [11:43] freeflying-ibook: okay, can you give me instructions for use also? [11:44] robotgeek: just use Ctrl+Space for end uses to input , not mention other, they will be confused by these stuff [11:45] freeflying-ibook: okay. remove the configure part? [11:47] freeflying-ibook: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/633334 okay? [11:47] robotgeek: not configure section , but the Alternatively [11:47] okay. cool. [11:47] robotgeek: okey [11:49] freeflying-ibook: committed, thanks [11:50] robotgeek: hehe , thank you for those great works [11:50] freeflying-ibook: thank you sir :) [11:50] i would be documenting squat without your work :) === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] robotgeek: :D === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gouchi [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-66-238.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel []