[12:41] <CDigger> Hi All
[12:43] <LaserJock> hi CDigger
[12:45] <Se7h> hi
[12:56] <phanatic> hi people
[12:57] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[12:58] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[12:58] <truz24> hi phanatic
[12:58] <phanatic> hey truz24 :)
[01:06] -banbot:#ubuntu-motu- lol g, join #bant0wn and get hugs visit http://binrev.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown for more info. #ubuntu-motu SUCKS
[01:07] <Erlang> -_o
[01:08] <Tm_T> yeah, spambot!
[01:09] <Erlang> don't visit that URL.
[01:10] <Tm_T> ofcourse not
[01:10] <LaserJock> seems as if banbot hit all the ubuntu channels, how odd
[01:10] <Tm_T> noone of us is that stupid, right guys?
[01:10] <phanatic> what's behind that url? :)
[01:10] <Tm_T> guys?
[01:10] <Erlang> phanatic: you don't wanna know.
[01:11] <Erlang> I thought it was somewhat related to the channel it was advertising.
[01:11] <phanatic> ok
[01:11] <Tm_T> Erlang: =)
[01:11] <Erlang> it's not......
[01:12] <Erlang> I think I might be lucky I run Linux and not Windows with IE.
[01:12] <Tm_T> surprise, it's spam afterall
[01:13] <Erlang> that'll teach me.
[01:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder how they decide which channels to hit?
[01:31] <kbrooks> feature freeze...
[02:29] <Se7h> im gonna in the middle just to ask a small thing. Why doesn't the pbuilder detect some libs he's supposed to ? (some build-dep maybe)
[02:31] <LaserJock> Se7h: pbuilder only uses what you give it
[02:31] <Se7h> ye i know
[02:31] <LaserJock> Se7h: if you don't have the build deps right then it won't look for them
[02:31] <Se7h> OpenSSL: no, using built-in SHA1 implementation
[02:31] <Se7h> GTK+:    no
[02:31] <Se7h> thats the thing
[02:32] <LaserJock> yep, looks like you need to add some deps
[02:32] <Se7h> i figured, but what deps?
[02:32] <Erlang> check config.log
[02:32] <Erlang> to see that it's trying to find, and how.
[02:33] <Se7h> wheres that?
[02:33] <Erlang> it's in the project root of autotooled upstream packages.
[02:34] <LaserJock> I'm guessing something like libgtk2.0-dev and libssl-dev
[02:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: usually you can also check the INSTALL file or the apps homepage
[02:36] <Erlang> well of course those are the steps that goes before-checking-config.log
[02:36] <Se7h> oh, so the build-deps are always libraries needed for building the program in the shell ?
[02:38] <LaserJock> Se7h: they are all the dependencies that are needed to build the app + anything that you need for the packaging (debhelper for example)
[02:38] <Erlang> build-deps are anything you'd need to build the program on a freshly installed base system.
[02:43] <Se7h> oh ok
[02:43] <Se7h> much clear now :)
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm, is simple-patchsys only used with cdbs?
[02:56] <tseng> yes
[02:59] <CDigger> I try to find any russian-speaking people in ubuntu developers community
[02:59] <CDigger> . Do you help me?
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <Kyral> bddebian!!!
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi Kyral and bddebian
[04:00] <Kyral> hey LJ
[04:01] <LaserJock> anybody familiar with the Debian Python Policy?
[04:01] <Kyral> uhh
[04:01] <Kyral> oh god
[04:01] <Kyral> I remember something about site-python
[04:01] <Kyral> but I looked over it briefly
[04:02] <Kyral> prolly just wanna check the manual itself
[04:02] <LaserJock> yeah, a package I have in Debian installs a few .py files but it can be used by either 2.3 or 2.4
[04:02] <LaserJock> so I'm wondering if I should install  the files to /usr/lib/site-python/ rather than /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages/
[04:03] <Kyral> ask in #debian-mentors...
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya Kyral, LaserJock
[04:12] <bddebian> How'd I get a Karma of 5K?  I haven't done shit lately :-(
[04:13] <tseng> you've done more than me, apperantly
[04:13] <tseng> i only have a few hundred points
[04:32] <Amaranth> i think i have 300
[04:33] <bddebian> Holy crap there are a lot of bugs out there.. :-(
[04:33] <Amaranth> Karma:  697
[04:33] <Amaranth> ooh
[04:43] <bddebian> Gah, looking at this bug list makes me remember how stupid I really am.. :-(
[04:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: please stop describing yourself as stupid
[04:47] <bddebian> ignorant?
[04:47] <bddebian> idiot?
[04:47] <ajmitch> just don't
[05:28] <zakame> hi all
[05:28] <bddebian> Hello zakame
[05:29] <zakame> hi bddebian!
[09:58] <kelmo> g'day
[10:33] <siretart> kelmo: hi there!
[10:34] <siretart> kelmo: Yesterday, I had a quite stressful query with Scott, we really wanted some changes, which I reverted back
[10:35] <siretart> kelmo: I sent a summary of changes to pkg-wpa-devel, would be great if I could hear if you are okay with these changes
[10:35] <kelmo> hi siretart
[10:35] <kelmo> looking at them now
[10:35] <siretart> ok
[10:36] <siretart> I tried to be quite detailed in the email
[10:37] <kelmo> the change to ifupdown script is most important to me personally, and it is fine
[10:37] <kelmo> i just cleaned it up a bit more
[10:37] <siretart> puh. then I'm delighted :)
[10:37] <kelmo> he could have removed more, but maybe was being too nice ; )
[10:38] <kelmo> oh
[10:38] <kelmo> well
[10:38] <kelmo> the symlinking
[10:38] <kelmo> hmm
[10:38] <siretart> yes, I was quite unsure about this point as well
[10:39] <siretart> but he has a point, if we don't break other packages, they won't be fixed
[10:40] <siretart> hm. your last commit took away the support for this 'wpa-conf managed' completely
[10:40] <siretart> since we never released or advertised that, I'm okay
[10:40] <kelmo> well, wpa-conf is not even required with last changes
[10:40] <kelmo> so i just remove it
[10:41] <kelmo> ok, symlinks look ok, i have no problems with those
[10:41] <siretart> it wasn't required, it was even deprecated. but existing configs with that stanzas wouldn't break. now they do. but I don't have a bad concience with that
[10:42] <siretart> ok, I'm glad in particular that he helped us with the maintainer scripts.
[10:42] <siretart> espc. since he maintained dpkg for a while ;)
[10:43] <kelmo> how would they break wpa-conf X stanza's?
[10:43] <kelmo> (haven't tested yet)
[10:43] <kelmo> i would think the option would just be ignored
[10:43] <siretart> I mean if someone has a stanza 'wpa-conf ignored'
[10:43] <kelmo> yeah
[10:43] <siretart> then the script will now notice that there is no file 'ignored' and bail out
[10:44] <kelmo> no
[10:44] <kelmo> if
[10:44] <kelmo> elif
[10:44] <kelmo> elif will catch it
[10:44] <siretart> argl. you are right
[10:44] <siretart> I'm wrong. everyone happy :)
[10:44] <kelmo> well, the maintainer scripts, ok, i am happy he gave them some love
[10:46] <kelmo> and maybe the only other major change is the removal of the compat symlink to the binaries
[10:46] <kelmo> no probs with that here
[10:49] <lucas> raaah launchpad sucks
[10:49] <lucas> it is supposed to be xhtml
[10:49] <lucas> but isn't valid xml
[10:49] <siretart> lucas: tell #launchpad
[10:49] <lucas> yeah I know
[10:50] <lucas> just wanted to share by disapointment ;)
[10:50] <kelmo> siretart: an important point is this: wpa-ssid is required for any meaninful e/n/i stanzas
[10:51] <kelmo> siretart: unless you plan to manuall self configure with wpa_{cli,gui}
[10:51] <kelmo> manually*
[10:52] <kelmo> all in all, it looks quite good, good enough for public consumption
[10:56] <siretart> kelmo: well, yes, but do we really need to handle this cornercase? I think that perhaps a note about this in README.modes should be sufficient
[10:57] <kelmo> siretart: no, i was just mentioning it, its not something that i am concerned about at all
[10:57] <siretart> ok. great :)
[10:57] <siretart> dapper/main is still in freeze
[10:57] <siretart> hmm
[10:58] <kelmo> i am really happy with all of it right now, thanks siretart (and Scott)
[10:58] <siretart> :)
[10:59] <siretart> ok, I'm off to uni now, and will see if I can upload wpasupplicant from there
[10:59] <siretart> will again retest wpasupplicant there, and ask nobse to upload it to debian then, ok?
[11:00] <kelmo> fine with me
[11:00] <siretart> ok. cu later, bye
[11:33] <lucas> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/t.html
[11:33] <lucas> multidistrotools now has build status :)
[12:27] <phanatic> hi people
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[12:29] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> Is it still time to package something NEW which won't need anything else for dapper?
[12:33] <Mithrandir> Gloubiboulga: yes
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> cool :)
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> I was thinking about listen, the gnome music player
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> s/gnome/GNOME ;)
[12:35] <Toadstool> well not exactly THE GNOME music player but a promising GNOME equivalent to amaroK :)
[12:36] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, +1, it wasn't very clear
[12:36] <Toadstool> :)
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> can I use use a foo.install.in file to create the .install file during the build, or is it a policy violation or something?
[12:59] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: why would you want to do that anyway? ;) but sounds like a policy violation imho...
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> slomo__, because the .install files for this package need to be updated for every new release
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> some automated stuff could be cool, but it won't be enough in that case anyway
[01:01] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: why is that? is the version number in some path?
[01:01] <Gloubiboulga> slomo__, yep
[01:02] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: use * ;) can you paste your .install file somewhere? just to take a look at it
[01:02] <Gloubiboulga> well, I've updated the version...
[01:03] <Gloubiboulga> debian/rules needs to be updated too
[01:03] <slomo__> perfect ;) sounds very ugly
[01:03] <Gloubiboulga> it's for bug 32363
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32363 in libccscript3 "libccscript3-1.0-0 has an unmet dep" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32363
[01:04] <slomo__> you can get the version in rules with something like this: UPVERSION = $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Vers | cut -d\  -f2 | sed 's,-.*,,')
[01:05] <slomo__> and you could call dh_install directly in rules for the files/directories that have the version number somewhere
[01:07] <Gloubiboulga> yes, it could be a solution
[01:08] <Gloubiboulga> buit I think I'll attached a debdiff with harcoded version, and maybe work on this later and send a patch to the debian maintainer
[01:08] <slomo__> Gloubiboulga: as long as it works... :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee, raphink
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[01:36] <raphink> hi ajmitch :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> heh
[02:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: enjoy dinner?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep :) - attempted to do the sudoku while munching, but it screwed up
[02:15] <ajmitch> heh
[02:16] <Hobbsee> pasta bake - reheated from last night
[02:16] <ajmitch> I think bug triage while eating is better
[02:16] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it could have been, but it was kinda messy, and i didnt want it over my keyboard
[02:17] <ajmitch> heh
[02:17] <ajmitch> it's rather annoying have to clean the keyboard after dinner
[02:19] <Hobbsee> true
[02:19] <ajmitch> hm, looks like most of the RAM in this box is being used
[02:20] <ajmitch> closing firefox would probably free up 1GB or so
[02:20] <ajmitch> ah, 521M for firefix, 775M for galeon
[02:21] <Yagisan> evening all
[02:22] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[02:22] <Yagisan> ajmitch: hows it going ?
[02:23] <ajmitch> good, how about you?
[02:23] <ajmitch> how's your wife going now?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[02:24] <Yagisan> physicall the same, but getting more depressed
[02:24] <Yagisan> evening Hobbsee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:25] <Yagisan> I've been trying to build things with my nice shiny gcc41 but I must have a mistake in my test .debs rules file
[02:26] <Yagisan> I have an "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1"
[02:26] <Yagisan> but the app dies with
[02:26] <ajmitch> CXX?
[02:26] <Yagisan> checking for i486-linux-gnu-gcc... /usr/bin/gcc-4.1
[02:26] <Yagisan> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:26] <ajmitch> hm
[02:26] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: do you have build-essential installed?
[02:26] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: yep. it's in a pbuilder
[02:26] <Mithrandir> oh, gcc 4.1
[02:27] <Mithrandir> what does config.log look like?
[02:27] <Yagisan> no idea. pbuilder unhelpfully erased it, so I need to login and run it again
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: someone's complaining about zope in #ubuntu+1
[02:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: great
[02:29] <Hobbsee> did you want to go speak to htem, on what they can do?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> heh ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ack!
[02:30] <ajmitch> not particularly, since they can't do much with zope 2.x right now
[02:30] <Hobbsee> okay
[02:30] <ajmitch> not until some new packages are thrown into universe
[02:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you went easy on him today
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yes, only for today
[02:32] <Hobbsee> darn...i always get the tab and enter keys around the wrong way...
[02:32] <StevenK> Oh, I can see how you could confuse them.
[02:32] <ajmitch> you say my name, and I suddenly think you're about to say some horribly important statement
[02:32] <StevenK> You know, them being so close together.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hehe sorry ajmitch :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i tend to hit aj<tab>, enter, enter
[02:33] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hah
[02:33] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Only because you're stalking him.
[02:33] <StevenK> Oh damn, I wasn't supposed to tell.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:34] <ajmitch> you could probably find out where I live, etc in about 10 minutes
[02:34] <StevenK> ajmitch: Less for me. :-P
[02:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: yes but you're special :P
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: probably, most people give way too much info over the net.
[02:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you've got more reason to be unfindable
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yes, i know
[02:35] <Hobbsee> more at stake
[02:35] <ajmitch> most guys don't get harassed
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yes...lucky them
[02:35] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: we can find you. it's only about 2 million places to door knock
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:36] <Yagisan> ;)
[02:36] <StevenK> Slightly less, since I know what suburb about she lives in.
[02:36] <ajmitch> StevenK: is 'protects' some euphemism for 'jumps on'?
[02:36] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'll pick you up and we can start tonight? :-P
[02:36] <Hobbsee> we had to call security tonight - some random thugs were going around in the shopping centre, stealing stuff...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <StevenK> ajmitch: Certainly not.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i only gave you an approx suburb :P
[02:37] <StevenK> It narrows it down to roughly a 5km radius instead of 'the whole of Sydney'
[02:37] <Yagisan> StevenK: I can't :( It takes the babysitter about 14 hours to fly over, so I need advance planning
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <StevenK> Yagisan: :-P
[02:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: ok, I'll take your place then?
[02:38] <StevenK> I don't need to try.
[02:38] <StevenK> My sister goes to MQ
[02:38] <Mithrandir> there are only like five of those in Sydney?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> then you'd only have a few buildings to search through.
[02:38] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Um, more like 12
[02:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: my place is on my website. hell, I can even give you the google maps link if you want
[02:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and we know what you're studying
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, that gives it away
[02:38] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: but do they know what you look like?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> guess you could find what subjects i do, therefore what rooms i'm in for the lectures
[02:39] <StevenK> No, but we have her name, so we'll just have to ask to see everyon's ID.
[02:39] <Yagisan> yep. a chick. should be easy to find.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not that i recall - i dont think i've given pics out around here
[02:39] <StevenK> Er, everyone
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:39] <StevenK> Yagisan: :-P
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: there's more than one chick, hehe!
[02:39] <StevenK> There'll only be like four of them
[02:39] <Yagisan> and only one with an Ubuntu system
[02:39] <Yagisan> easy.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:39] <StevenK> Ah hah, a clue
[02:40] <Hobbsee> when i actually take in my laptop, yes
[02:41] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: they'll stalk the building for weeks, then
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: as long as you could prove you really are who you say you are
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure.  drivers licence, and student ID for uni.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> 2 forms of photo id.
[02:42] <ajmitch> since there's no longer direct flights to melbourne from dunedin
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ugh.
[02:42] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I need my new key signed, so I'm sure I could meet you at some stage
[02:42] <ajmitch> either that or I'll fly christchurch->melbourne
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:43] <Hobbsee> pft, who wants to go to melbourne anyway?  :P
[02:43] <Mithrandir> they got decent beer in Melbourne, don't they?
[02:43] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: speaking of keys, I've still got your business card on my desk :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> decent beer? in australia?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:43] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: cooper's good
[02:44] <Mithrandir> beer is good.
[02:44] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what's dangerous about beer?
[02:44] <ajmitch> at least you didn't say fosters was good
[02:44] <Mithrandir> beer, I said.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, probably me drinking it....which could lead to other things that i'd prefer not to think about...
[02:45] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you know, there's somewhere between "sober" and "completely wasted and doesn't remember anything the next day". :-P
[02:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:45] <Hobbsee> well, to be perfectly honest, i was more thinking along the lines of being groped and/or harrassed, but yeah, i see your point :P
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:46] <Hobbsee> the beer i can cope with - the other...i'd prefer not to go there
[02:47] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:47] <ajmitch> you could always just fix bugs
[02:47] <Hobbsee> that is true
[02:47] <Yagisan> beer. that tastes like crap.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> and create more in the process
[02:48] <Yagisan> sprits are much better
[02:48] <Yagisan> :)
[02:48] <Yagisan> gcc4.1 is mocking me
[02:48] <ajmitch> Yagisan: depends on the type - eg I wouldn't drink nasty cheap vodka
[02:49] <StevenK> Al Jourgensen, that is
[02:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I rather like umeshu (japanese plum wine) and midori (japanese melon liquor - apparently a chicks drink, but I haven't been out in like 6 years now)
[02:50] <StevenK> Yes, Midori is a chick drink.
[02:50] <ajmitch> StevenK: good taste
[02:51] <Yagisan> but it tastes so nice. I can easy drink the whole bottle, and still be sober
[02:51] <StevenK> Yagisan: And you wonder why it's a chick drink?
[02:51] <Yagisan> I like a good bourbon myself
[02:51] <StevenK> I have bourbon too
[02:51] <ajmitch> probably years :)
[02:51] <StevenK> And vodka, tequila, etc ...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:52] <Yagisan> StevenK: mate, 6 years since I've been out. midori does have a relatively high alcohol content though
[02:54] <Yagisan> hmm. my rules file mus be stuffed. gcc4.1 works inside the pbuilder manually, but not in an autobuild setup
[02:54] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: while pretending, where there any guys that *didn't* hit on you ?
[02:54] <StevenK> Yagisan: The gay ones? :-P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: that was with the girls...
[02:54] <StevenK> Muahahaha, did any of them attempt it? :-P
[02:55] <Hobbsee> i never did get hit on much thru school though - only wiht people since i left...
[02:55] <StevenK> But I'm hiding!
[02:55] <tseng> phew
[02:55] <Hobbsee> we never had any girls like that!  at least, that i know of!
[02:55] <tseng> good morning to you lot, too
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey tseng
[02:55] <StevenK> Heh
[02:55] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[02:55] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i cant find you StevenK...
[02:58] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[02:59] <tseng> anyone have a decent terminal emulator for win32?
[02:59] <tseng> i am getting pretty sick of putty
[02:59] <tseng> urxvt looks much nicer
[03:00] <Yagisan> tseng: cygwin ?
[03:00] <tseng> cygwin isnt much better imo
[03:00] <Yagisan> tseng: no it isn't, but just a thought
[03:00] <tseng> oh yeah
[03:00] <tseng> Xterm has
[03:00] <tseng> AA now
[03:00] <tseng> maybe the cygwin version will be okayish
[03:07] <Yagisan> hmm, my system is mocking me
[03:21] <Yagisan> interesting, CC= is set in config.log, but CPP etc is empty
[03:33] <MrFaber> hi all
[03:33] <MrFaber> I have problems with all vnc versions with amd64 Brezzy and Dapper
[03:34] <MrFaber> And vnc4 isn't in repository
[03:34] <Yagisan> ahh. I worked out why gcc4.1 was dying on me
[03:34] <MrFaber> at least vnc3 and tightvnc
[03:34] <MrFaber> any reason why there is no vnc4?
[03:34] <Yagisan> configure:2541: /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 -Wall -g3 -fstack-protector -O2 -mtune=i686   conftest.c  >&5
[03:34] <Yagisan> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssp_nonshared
[03:35] <Yagisan> looks like it was a PEBKAC error (again)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> night all, Yagisan, StevenK
[03:50] <Yagisan> Night Hobbsee
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:39] <bddebian> Do it.. :-)
[04:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: it will involve a transition from uim to scim
[04:41] <bddebian> Ah
[04:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: it my wife can't type japanese, I may as well cut my own nuts off now
[04:41] <jamessan> heh
[04:41] <bddebian> Hehe
[04:43] <Yagisan> ok. I'll multi-stage it. scim first, then nvidia binary crap, then evolution. if they go well, rest of system.
[05:01] <adn> hi again
[05:01] <bddebian> Hello adn
[05:01] <adn> still me and the vlc package
[05:02] <adn> I did not get any answer from scott
[05:02] <adn> hey, buxy!
[05:02] <adn> hi bddebian
[05:02] <buxy> hey adn :)
[05:07] <infinito> Kyral: ping
[05:08] <infinito> doen anyone know if pkgs on revu.tauware.net can enter dapper yet?
[05:11] <infinito> s/doen/does
[05:12] <lucas> new packages ?
[05:12] <lucas> or updated ones ?
[05:12] <siretart> infinito: revu.tauware.de is some sort of presentation place. you it to show your work to others
[05:13] <infinito> thats 'cause someone (kyral) uploaded and old version of my applet to revu, and its still there
[05:13] <infinito> ans i would to know if i can upload my own pkg to revu
[05:13] <infinito> altought there's a previous version there
[05:13] <siretart> infinito: there is no automatic progress from revu to dapper. and yes, everyone can upload packages to revu
[05:14] <infinito> siretart: i mean, it already on revu, but an old version, and i want to upload the latest
[05:15] <siretart> infinito: then just do it. revu doesn't care for version numbers. only upload date
[05:15] <infinito> siretart: ok, im gonna do it
[05:15] <Yagisan> infinito: remember, source only uploads to revu
[05:16] <infinito> Yagisan: yes, i did already, but a long ago, so i need to reread the docs...
[05:16] <Yagisan> infinito: iirc, it's just a -S to the build opts in pbuilderrc
[05:18] <infinito> Yagisan: my pbuilder needs to be against dapper right?
[05:18] <Yagisan> siretart: while I spearhead the correct licensing efforts of deng, can I still do uploads of deng for packaging revu ?
[05:19] <Yagisan> infinito: source only uploads don't matter so much, but it helps to have a dapper pbuilder for binary testing
[05:19] <siretart> Yagisan: in principle yes, but please make sure to add a big TODO note in debian/copyright to not confuse reviewers
[05:20] <Yagisan> siretart: sure. It is a big notice. upstream was rather happy I audited the code.
[05:21] <siretart> I image
[05:28] <infinito> one silly question... to have a dapper pbuilder ina breezy environment, do i ned to install bootstrap from dapper?
[05:28] <bddebian> Damn, I feel sooo out of the game :-(
[05:30] <Yagisan> infinito: no
[05:31] <Yagisan> infinito: in pbuilderrc "DISTRIBUTION=dapper"
[05:32] <siretart> infinito: installing debstrap from dapper is a good idea anyway, however
[05:35] <infinito> siretart, Yagisan: ok thanks, im updating pbuilder to dapper...
[05:43] <freeflying> hi motus, can I use the project name in a package's for the author , because there are too many guys contribute to it
[05:43] <Yagisan> cough cough choke choke 1062MB to upgrade ???
[05:47] <phanatic> hi people
[05:47] <phanatic> hey raphink, Gloubiboulga
[05:47] <freeflying> siretart: hi
[05:47] <raphink> hi phanatic
[05:47] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[05:47] <raphink> hi freeflying
[05:48] <freeflying> raphink: how about my problem above
[05:48] <raphink> there is usually one original/main author
[05:48] <raphink> and there can be many contributors
[05:48] <raphink> just give the name of the main devs
[05:48] <raphink> and let alone the contributors
[05:48] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[05:49] <raphink> yop Gloubiboulga
[05:49] <freeflying> raphink: thx
[05:49] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink
[05:50] <raphink> a roule Gloubiboulga?
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> yes, et toi ?
[05:50] <raphink> ouep a peut aller :)
[06:05] <phanatic> hi G0SUB
[06:06] <G0SUB> phanatic: hello!
[06:06] <phanatic> G0SUB: can i /msg you?
[06:06] <G0SUB> phanatic: sure
[06:17] <Meyer> can anyone review the last update from roundcube-webmail?? the new upstream has nice enhancements over the one already on universe.. it's just a new upstream version of a package already uploaded to universe...
[06:20] <G0SUB> Meyer: are there any critical bug fixes?
[06:21] <Meyer> nope
[06:21] <Meyer> i guess just feature enhancements
[06:21] <G0SUB> Meyer: we are in a Feature freeze now ... only bug fixes will make it
[06:21] <G0SUB> IMO
[06:22] <Meyer> ohh.. i tought that w/ the delay the FF wasnt in yet
[06:27] <Zdra> hi ! is there a reason why gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse is in universe ?? shouldn't it be renamed to gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-universe then ?
[06:27] <pef> does someone knows something about "terrasoftsolutions.com" company ? not very renown in eu
[06:28] <infinito> is it possible to have 2 pbuilders, one for breezy and another for dapper?
[06:28] <phanatic> infinito: you need two config files imho
[06:28] <infinito> phanatic: and will they not interfer each other on /var/cache/pbuilder?
[06:29] <Se7h> hum, 'spe' as been bug fixed and not yet revised tho..
[06:30] <phanatic> infinito: no idea :( but it should work i think...
[06:30] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I have 3 pbuilders here
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> dapper/breezy/sid
[06:31] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: how to do it?
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> I've created several pbuilderrc files
[06:31] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: pfft - only 3
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> and you can choose wich one you want to use with `pbuilder --configfile file'
[06:32] <Gloubiboulga> Yagisan, yes, I'm a beginner ;)
[06:32] <infinito> Gloubiboulga, phanatic : thank u very much :)
[06:32] <Erlang> infinito: just don't forget to specify a different .tgz file for each in /var/cache/pbuilder
[06:32] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: and the files inside apt.config??
[06:33] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: I've got 8 so far.
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, iirc you can set the dir that contains those files in pbuilderrc
[06:33] <Erlang> 8 pbuilders?
[06:33] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: ok, i see, thanks!
[06:34] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, np :)
[06:34] <infinito> one more stupid question, is it possible to login in a pbuilder chroot and execute gnome, for example?
[06:34] <Erlang> warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, etch, sid, but what else?
[06:35] <Yagisan> Erlang: yep. an amd64 and an i386 each of Sarge, Breezy, Dapper, and a Research project based on Dapper
[06:35] <Erlang> oh
[06:35] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I don't think so, but i'm really not sure for this
[06:35] <Erlang> you run AMD64? how did you create an i386 pbuilder of Breezy?
[06:36] <Yagisan> Erlang: Research project is essentially an "Harderned Ubuntu"
[06:36] <Erlang> infinito: You need to set DISPLAY for sure but probably other things.
[06:36] <Yagisan> Erlang: --arch i386
[06:36] <Erlang> that never worked for me...
[06:38] <Erlang> it does now... wtf
[06:38] <Yagisan> Erlang: the other way was to build an i386 chroot and install in there
[06:38] <Yagisan> Erlang: don't ask, just enjoy
[06:39] <Erlang> well it seems to be working with --debbuiltopts --arch i386, but whenever I tried that it failed with a strange error message.
[06:41] <Chris_> can someone help me out?
[06:41] <Chris_> :( ubuntu crashed today. .
[06:41] <Chris_> it freezes and beeps twice before hand
[06:42] <Chris_> and i can't really go into the desktop
[06:42] <jpatrick> Chris_: #ubuntu
[06:42] <Chris_> and i am clueless what to do!
[06:43] <Erlang> Yagisan: It doesn't work.  It just made a Breezy 64 bit chroot...
[06:45] <Yagisan> Erlang: I built mine in my i386 chroot.
[06:46] <Erlang> ah
[06:46] <Erlang> that's the typical way to proceed it seems
[06:46] <Erlang> because I get E: No such script: http://archive.ubuntu.com, otherwise
[07:18] <Se7h> what the hell
[07:18] <Se7h> why isnt the app going into the gnome menu ? o.0
[07:18] <Se7h> the menu file looks ok
[07:22] <goslackware> Se7h, save all of what you're doing then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:23] <Se7h> do i need to restart gdm ?
[07:23] <Se7h> i havent till now
[07:24] <goslackware> or, actually first you can try,   killlall gnome-panel
[07:25] <Se7h> goslackware yes i know, i was trying to avoid it
[07:26] <Se7h> oh well gnome-panel all screwd up and the app still isnt there
[07:26] <Se7h> brb
[07:33] <goslackware> Se7h,  did it work?
[07:35] <Se7h> goslackware nop
[07:35] <goslackware> I think `killall gnome-panel`  to restart your panel or `killall nautilus` may have also given you what you wanted
[07:35] <goslackware> ok, what your issue exactly?
[07:35] <Se7h> i cant figure why is wont go there
[07:36] <goslackware> um, which app?
[07:36] <goslackware> I just got on IRC a min ago
[07:36] <Se7h> transmission
[07:37] <goslackware> what's/where's that?
[07:37] <Se7h> http://transmission.m0k.org/
[07:39] <goslackware> did you do a source build?
[07:40] <Se7h> a..ye
[07:40] <goslackware> oh, you did....
[07:41] <goslackware> I would suggest use apt-get instead
[07:41] <goslackware> I'll install it myself and see it
[07:42] <LaserJock> hi azeem
[07:43] <Se7h> hi LaserJock
[07:45] <jpatrick> hola jinty
[07:45] <Se7h> goslackware any luck with the apt-get? :p
[07:45] <jinty> heya jpatrick
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi Se7h
[07:47] <goslackware> um....
[07:48] <goslackware> they have an rpm package using apt
[07:51] <Se7h> so ?
[07:51] <Se7h> LaserJock can u give a hand here?
[07:52] <goslackware> I just got it installed from the rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> now I'm checking to see what it did
[07:52] <goslackware> wget http://naturidentisch.de/packages/fc4/transmission/transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> sudo alien transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[07:52] <goslackware> sudo dpkg -i transmission_0.5-3_i386.deb
[07:53] <LaserJock> Se7h: perhaps, I'm pretty busy at the moment
[07:54] <Se7h> goslackware that no source package :)
[07:54] <Se7h> LaserJock the little thing here is that the app isnt going into the gnome menu, dunno why
[07:54] <LaserJock> does it have a .desktop file?
[07:55] <Se7h> oh right..no
[07:55] <goslackware> doing the three commands above I now have a shortcut
[07:55] <Se7h> isnt the menu file enought ?
[07:55] <goslackware> but...
[07:55] <goslackware> I get a slient error when trying to run it
[07:56] <goslackware> depenecy error I think
[07:56] <Se7h> goslackware ;)
[07:56] <Amaranth> Se7h: Use alacarte to add it to your menu
[07:57] <Amaranth> or add a .desktop file to the source package
[07:57] <Se7h> i'll go for the second
[07:57] <Se7h> i dont know who to create such file tho
[07:57] <Se7h> *how
[07:58] <Amaranth> freedesktop.org has a specification for it
[07:58] <Se7h> ok, ty
[07:58] <Amaranth> but it's probably easier to look at the desktop file for another program
[07:58] <Amaranth> modify it, then use the spec to figure out what to put in for Categories
[08:04] <Se7h> Amaranth i have on of those here, i cant edit it tho
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:05] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian and ajmitch
[08:05] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[08:06] <Se7h> *one
[08:06] <Se7h> damm im dislexic
[08:06] <LaserJock> Se7h: just copy a .desktop from /usr/share/applications and modify it
[08:09] <goslackware> ok, got it to work
[08:10] <goslackware> I would have been done sooner but I made a type in my cli
[08:10] <goslackware> *typo
[08:11] <goslackware> ok,
[08:11] <goslackware> after you do the three command from above then do:
[08:11] <goslackware> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.5
[08:12] <goslackware> so, like this:
[08:12] <goslackware> wget http://naturidentisch.de/packages/fc4/transmission/transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo alien transmission-0.5-2.cru.i386.rpm
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo dpkg -i transmission_0.5-3_i386.deb
[08:12] <goslackware> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.5
[08:14] <goslackware> oh, and then:
[08:14] <goslackware> killall gnome-panel
[08:15] <goslackware> amaranth is alacarte better than smeg?
[08:16] <LaserJock> it is the new smeg I think
[08:16] <ogra> goslackware, is OO
[08:16] <goslackware> 00?
[08:16] <ogra> .O2 better than OO.O1 ?
[08:16] <ogra> (open office) :)
[08:17] <goslackware> oh, is oo.o 2 better than oo.o 1 you mean?
[08:17] <Amaranth> yeah, alacarte is the latest version of smeg
[08:17] <ogra> yes ...
[08:17] <goslackware> ok, I'll try it, smeg sucks
[08:17] <Amaranth> *cough*
[08:18] <Amaranth> (i wrote both)
[08:18] <goslackware> oh
[08:18] <goslackware> I'm very glad you're continuing developement
[08:21] <LaserJock> I think smeg is the only reason I didn't ditch Gnome when I first came to Ubuntu
[08:21] <Amaranth> :D
[08:21] <Amaranth> i'm going to try to get 0.9 into gnome 2.16
[08:22] <goslackware> yeah alacarte is better
[08:22] <Amaranth> goslackware: except for the icon selector
[08:22] <Amaranth> goslackware: the gnome widget i use sucks, i didn't discover this until after i released
[08:23] <goslackware> and that would be fd.o?
[08:23] <Amaranth> ?
[08:23] <Amaranth> the icon selector has nothing to do with freedesktop.org
[08:23] <goslackware> oh, nevermind
[08:24] <goslackware> ok
[08:26] <goslackware> do you have the 0.9 hosted somewhere?
[08:27] <goslackware> or a cvs
[08:28] <goslackware> nevermind looking at the site now
[09:00] <phanatic> hi people
[09:20] <jpatrick> hi phanatic
[09:20] <phanatic> hey jpatrick
[09:33] <raphink> siretart: hehe
[09:35] <siretart> raphink: :)
[09:35] <siretart> raphink: I used that oppurtunity to update our email template here: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/KeyImport
[09:36] <raphink> ah ok siretart
[09:39] <LaserJock> :/ Pbuilder is failing today on something I didn't change
[09:40] <raphink> ah :(
[09:40] <LaserJock> http://pastebin.com/633139
[09:40] <raphink> knm building :)
[09:44] <LaserJock> I don't understand why it would fail today
[10:35] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ping
[10:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: pong
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: plz drop this one http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2229
[10:36] <raphink> archive ?
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: I upload wrong version
[10:36] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: remove them
[10:37] <raphink> do you want me to nuke it ?
[10:37] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: nuke ?
[10:37] <raphink> nuke = remove it permanently
[10:37] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: up to you
[10:38] <raphink> ok I'll nuke it
[10:38] <raphink> done
[10:38] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: have time reviewing ?
[10:38] <raphink> not right now
[10:38] <raphink> I have to prepare something to eat
[10:38] <LaserJock> raphink: can you nuke something real quick for me?
[10:39] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: me too :)
[10:39] <raphink> LaserJock: what?
[10:39] <LaserJock> raphink: squeak-image
[10:39] <LaserJock> I uploaded it to show ogra but it is the repo now
[10:40] <raphink> nuked LaserJock
[10:40] <LaserJock> raphink: thanks
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink: ping?
[11:16] <ajmitch> morning
[11:17] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[11:17] <ajmitch> what's new?
[11:18] <LaserJock> Bug Day
[11:18] <ajmitch> heh
[11:18] <ajmitch> not new :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> new bugs, sometimes
[11:21] <ajmitch> sigh, people who assign to an upstream product in malone
[11:22] <ajmitch> hopefully the bug watch code will pick up the status properly
[11:22] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I really don't understand the bug watch stuff
[11:24] <ajmitch> it's not meant to be understood :)
[11:25] <LaserJock> I wish we had a way of clicking on something in Malone and have it file the bug in Debian (or something similar) although maybe that would lead to trouble
[11:29] <ajmitch> it could lead to a lot of trouble
[11:30] <LaserJock> I guess I just need to develop an efficient technique for pushing stuff to Debian, I hate having to carry deltas ;-)