[12:06] <LNS> well, sxw will be better so if you want you can mod it - http://www.mythtvr.com/other/Edubuntu_overfiew.sxw
[12:25] <spacey> LNS i have a meeting monday about that
[12:25] <spacey> were gonna compete against a company who offers a windows thin client solution
[12:27] <spacey> LNS: overView
[12:27] <spacey> :)
[12:27] <Burgwork> spacey, crib from this http://userful.com/document/DiscoverStation-and-ThinClients
[12:28] <Burgwork> spacey, most of the nasty stuff we say about thin clients there only applies to windows-based thin clients
[12:29] <spacey> ok
[12:30] <spacey> its only one page
[12:30] <Burgwork> it should only be one page
[12:30] <spacey> i don't find it useful :P
[12:31] <Pygi> spacey: can I give you a url to check out? but you are forbidden to comment on the forum, at least ;)
[12:31] <Burgwork> bugger
[12:32] <spacey> Pygi: ok
[12:32] <Pygi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=880142&posted=1#post880142
[12:32] <Pygi> last post
[12:33] <spacey> Pygi: so? :)
[12:33] <Pygi> spacey: nothing ^_^
[12:33] <spacey> i don't use wpa
[12:33] <Burgwork> Pygi, stopping development?
[12:33] <spacey> although it would have been nice
[12:33] <Burgwork> Pygi, who are you referring to as upstream, in this instance?
[12:34] <spacey> i don't like the forums :P
[12:34] <Pygi> Burgwork: well, the are stoping development ^_^
[12:35] <Burgwork> Pygi, who is stopping development? network-manager? wpa-supplicant?
[12:35] <Pygi> Burgwork: yes, both...and me, and johan
[12:36] <Pygi> Burgwork: anything against it? :P
[12:36] <Burgwork> are you saying that network-manager is no longer going to be developed?
[12:36] <Pygi> yup, that is what I am saying
[12:36] <Pygi> please comment at foru
[12:36] <Pygi> forum*
[12:36] <Burgwork> in ubuntu or in general?
[12:36] <Pygi> both ;)
[12:37] <Burgwork> oh, this is an aprils fools joke
[12:37] <Pygi> shhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:37] <Pygi> be quiet :P
[12:38] <LNS> you guys are nuts =p
[12:38] <Burgwork> it is 2:37pm on Friday, March 31st here
[12:38] <spacey> damn timezones! :P
[12:38] <LNS> spacey, thanks for the typo correction ;) didn't see that one
[12:38] <Pygi> Burgwork: ah, sorry about that then ;) but shhhhhhhhh now ;)
[12:39] <Burgwork> you might want to drop the bit about security
[12:39] <Pygi> Burgwork: I did had it, but erased
[12:39] <Pygi> they can get it by that
[12:48] <spacey> good night people :)
[12:48] <Burgwork> spacey, do you need help your proposal with edubuntu?
[12:49] <spacey> Burgwork: well if you have some information thats always useful
[12:49] <spacey> i will have a meeting on monday with another company
[12:49] <spacey> we will try to offer an edubuntu solution together
[12:49] <Burgwork> spacey, if you want to send me the proposal on the weekend, I can do some edits
[12:49] <spacey> vs the windows one
[12:50] <spacey> Burgwork: not in that stage yet, but thanks
[12:50] <spacey> i might know more on monday
[12:50] <spacey> i still need the details
[12:50] <Pygi> spacey: go to sleep ;)
[12:50] <spacey> :P
[12:50] <spacey> yeh
[12:50] <spacey> goodnight!
[12:50] <spacey> thanks anyway Burgwork
[12:50] <Pygi> night ;)
[12:53] <Burgwork> spacey, ok, bug me if you need help
[01:11] <LNS> i'm glad to see so many people going out and hitting up businesses/other places with edubuntu solutions
[01:11] <Pygi> LNS: hehe ;)
[01:12] <LNS> seriously
[01:12] <Pygi> yup, I know
[01:12] <LNS> for once I feel 100% excited and believe in my work! before it was all just M$ support
[01:12] <LNS> =)
[01:12] <LNS> that makes me a much better salesman
[01:12] <Pygi> ;)
[01:12] <Pygi> yup ;)
[01:13] <LNS> where are you located Pygi?
[01:13] <Pygi> Croatia
[01:13] <Pygi> why?
[01:13] <LNS> where's that?
[01:13] <LNS> Just curious
[01:13] <Pygi> Europe
[01:13] <LNS> ahh nice
[01:14] <Pygi> you?
[01:14] <LNS> US / California
[01:14] <Pygi> aha
[01:14] <Pygi> it's better there probably, but here...
[01:14] <LNS> I'm of italian heratige though
[01:14] <Pygi> just one school in entire state is on linux/edubuntu
[01:14] <LNS> well i'm sure there is more than one in cali that is on linux, but probably not many more
[01:15] <LNS> it's still very much dominated by microsoft over here
[01:15] <Pygi> hm, here a state has a contract with ms
[01:15] <Pygi> MS*
[01:15] <LNS> that's kind of the way it is here too
[01:16] <Pygi> bah, it'll get better
[01:16] <LNS> but the thing is, they charge so much for their software in retail, but turn around and give it away to non-profits and/or gov't
[01:16] <LNS> I am very confident it will get better
[01:16] <LNS> I'm gonna make sure of that =)
[01:16] <Pygi> LNS: good luck, if you need help you can always ask someone ;)
[01:17] <LNS> Pygi, thanks =) Likewise for you. That's our real strength in the OSS community. =)
[01:18] <LNS> we're like millions of little bugs eating away at a monstrosity of a company... we'll all do it together
[01:18] <LNS> it'll taste like shit though! ;)
[01:18] <Pygi> hehee ;)
[01:19] <LNS> You know as a consultant i'm all for the best tool for the job...in a lot of cases micrsofoft is the best fit for someone
[01:19] <LNS> i have no real beef with them besides their leverage on entities that might do better with something else
[01:20] <Pygi> Bah, If I need some tools I just get down to it and write it, or help some open source product develop more ;)
[01:20] <Pygi> s/write it down/code
[01:21] <LNS> well i wish i could say the same...
[01:21] <LNS> <--- not a programmer
[01:21] <Pygi> ah, in Open source world not everyone has to be a programmer to contribute
[01:24] <Burgwork> it can be argued that a distro like Ubuntu needs more people doing marketing and helping the end user than actually developoing
[01:24] <Pygi> documenting, helping, etc
[01:24] <Pygi> there is a lot of work
[01:27] <Pygi> Anyway, LNS, Burgwork, it's been a pleasure talking to you... I need to sleep after 5 days of not sleeping ;)
[01:30] <Burgwork> Pygi_ZzZ, night
[01:31] <LNS> night Pygi_ZzZ =)
[01:31] <Burgwork> LNS, whom do you work for>
[01:31] <LNS> i agree with Pygi_ZzZ ...i aim to do as much marketing of Edubuntu as possible
[01:32] <LNS> I work for myself
[01:32] <LNS> http://www.logicalnetworking.net
[01:33] <Burgwork> I am planning to do a page for edubunt similar to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop
[01:33] <Burgwork> LNS, you could adapt something like that for http://www.logicalnetworking.net/products/index.html
[01:33] <Burgwork> LNS, oh, and nuke the flash on your site
[01:34] <Burgwork> menus in flash are evil and not very accesible
[01:34] <LNS> well i plan a different approach to marketing than the standard page talking about the benefits
[01:34] <LNS> lol..evil? =)
[01:35] <Burgwork> flash is hated by open source people, for a number of different reasons
[01:35] <LNS> i don't see anything wrong with flash.. i have the links elsewhere in html as well
[01:35] <Burgwork> but screenreaders cannot read flash
[01:35] <Burgwork> flash doesn't work by default in edubuntu
[01:35] <LNS> it's because flash isn't OSS
[01:36] <Burgwork> more than that
[01:36] <Burgwork> it is also heavy on the bandwidth
[01:36] <LNS> but edubuntu has repositories for not necessarily true OSS software too
[01:36] <LNS> compared to what?
[01:36] <Burgwork> and what you are doing can be done with CSS quite easily
[01:36] <LNS> well i'm not a web dev. though, someone made my site for me
[01:37] <nathan_> hey, I need some help installing Edubuntu, I'm getting problems I can;t work out
[01:37] <LNS> Burgwork, "flash is hated by open source people, for a number of different reasons" is a very broad and stereotypical comment
[01:37] <nathan_> can anyone help?
[01:37] <LNS> shoot nathan_ 
[01:37] <nathan_> Every time I try to install, at a certain point I get "killed" repeated, scrolling down the screen continuouslty
[01:38] <LNS> what version are you installing? what is the "certain point"?
[01:38] <Burgwork> LNS, http://www.1cog.com/flash-web-design.html
[01:38] <Sergi0> nathan_: you could check the cd
[01:38] <nathan_> the leatest stable version, can't remember it's number offhand sorry
[01:39] <nathan_> yeah I've tried different CDs all with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu on
[01:39] <LNS> Burgwork, that is one person's opinion
[01:39] <nathan_> it happens after it connects to the network, detects hardware, all that
[01:39] <nathan_> I think before it *should* go to the manage partitions bit
[01:40] <LNS> You can't say "Open source people" like it's one person
[01:41] <LNS> nathan_, i've never seen this problem...have you tried skipping the step that's causing it to crash? what about hitting ALT+F4 to look at the console logs?
[01:41] <Burgwork> LNS, there are two issues: flash is not OSS and that flash makes for bad websites
[01:41] <LNS> Burgwork, your second issue is an opinion, not an issue
[01:41] <nathan_> I don;t think I can skip the step...
[01:41] <Burgwork> LNS, the intersection of people who want to make good websites and those who use OSS are high
[01:41] <LNS> nathan_, how do you know, if you don't know which one it is? ;)
[01:42] <LNS> try looking at the logs in tty4 and see if that tells you anything
[01:42] <nathan_> I read somewhere it's a problem with the memory, that the Linux Out of Memory thing is the only thing that can produce a 'killed' message, and it only seems to happen if you have 64mb memory, so I bought two new 64mb sticks and put them in in replacement
[01:43] <nathan_> well I don't know how I can skip a step in the installation
[01:43] <LNS> Burgwork, i respect your opinion about flash but seriously, you're acting as though you're the spokesperson for open source software, which is the exact opposite of what open source is supposed to be about
[01:44] <nathan_> but it obviously still didn't work
[01:44] <LNS> nathan_, if you hit "<Go Back>" on any of the steps i believe it kicks you to a screen where you select the steps, like in Debian installs
[01:44] <nathan_> ok
[01:45] <LNS> open source is supposed to be about choice, and i choose to use flash
[01:45] <LNS> If you follow your line of thinking, we might as well go back to punchcards for the people who don't have monitors
[01:48] <nathan_> so... I should just try skipping the next step in the install
[01:49] <LNS> well depending on what it is
[01:49] <nathan_> okay...
[01:49] <LNS> if it's something like partitioning a hard disk, try another disk
[01:49] <LNS> sounds like it could definitely be hardware issues
[01:49] <LNS> Unless, of course....
[01:50] <LNS> you got hit by that new "Killbuntu" worm that's going around...;
[01:51] <nathan_> ?
[01:51] <LNS> well
[01:51] <LNS> it's a big security risk to even talk about it on a public chan
[01:51] <nathan_> oh
[01:51] <LNS> but word is, there's a ubuntu-specific worm going around the past couple of days
[01:51] <LNS> and since edubuntu is basically ubuntu it's affected too
[01:52] <nathan_> well I just downloaded the images off the Kubuntu and Edubuntu listed mirrors
[01:52] <LNS> those mirrors have all been hit...
[01:52] <LNS> you don't have any other computers on your network do you?
[01:52] <nathan_> yeah
[01:52] <LNS> what's the OS on them?
[01:52] <nathan_> XP
[01:52] <LNS> ack
[01:52] <nathan_> this is the first linux one we're trying
[01:53] <LNS> ;)
[01:53] <LNS> APRIL FOOLS!! =p
[01:53] <LNS> sorry
[01:53] <LNS> hehehe..i had to do it
[01:53] <nathan_> aha genius
[01:53] <LNS> i figured i'd get you until you said it's the first linux you're installing
[01:53] <nathan_> it's only 53 minutes into April Fools where I am, and you're already at it
[01:53] <LNS> then i just felt bad :)
[01:54] <LNS> well it's still the 31st here..so maybe i should get slapped with a big trout
[01:54] <LNS> i kinda jumped the gun on my end
[01:54] <LNS> anyway
[01:54] <LNS> it does sound like hardware issues
[01:54] <LNS> especially if you're using 5.10 (Breezy) stable
[01:54] <LNS> try taking all unnecessary hardware out of the box during install
[01:55] <LNS> see if it "breezes" by the killed msg you're getting
[01:55] <nathan_> hmmm
[01:57] <nathan_> I can take out the netowrk card
[01:57] <LNS> and try swapping out any hardware too, vid card or hdd or anything else
[01:57] <LNS> can you verify the PC works with another OS installed?
[01:58] <LNS> also, try selecting "Memtest86" option from cd boot menu to verify your RAM's integrity
[01:58] <nathan_> well that's the thing... it died, that's why I was doing linux, because I can't find the Win98 CD, I thought we coudl try something else
[01:58] <nathan_> so I formatted it
[01:59] <LNS> yeah it's most likely hardware
[01:59] <nathan_> hmm crapola
[01:59] <LNS> find out what hardware is causing it and replace it, then install linux :)
[01:59] <nathan_> well I thought it was RAM, that's why I replaced both sticks
[01:59] <LNS> welp...doesn't look like it now though, does it?
[02:00] <Sergi0> nathan_: maybe set the bios to the defaults? 
[02:00] <LNS> good point Sergi0 
[02:01] <nathan_> why?
[02:01] <Sergi0> nathan_: overclocking or other setting could harm anything
[02:01] <nathan_> as far as I know it's not overclocked at all
[02:01] <nathan_> but I guess it wouldn't hurt to try
[02:01] <Sergi0> nathan_: but memory speed etc etc, and it would not hurt to try
[02:02] <Sergi0> nathan_: is the harddrive ok? can it handle dma?
[02:03] <nathan_> dma?
[02:05] <nathan_> ?
[02:06] <nathan_> to be honest I'm not 100% sure the hardrive is ok... win98 never booted properly, it could have easily been a HD problem
[02:06] <nathan_> because Scandisk would jam at 15%
[02:06] <LNS> sounds like it is a hdd problem nathan_ 
[02:06] <nathan_> crapola
[02:06] <LNS> put another hard drive in and install again
[02:06] <nathan_> I guess :(
[02:07] <LNS> sorry dude ;)
[02:07] <nathan_> guess I'll have to buy one
[02:07] <Sergi0> nathan_: well, u got a good point there, good luck
[02:08] <nathan_> lol
[02:12] <nathan_> okay well thanks for the help
[05:03] <Yagisan> I broke my system by upgrading to dapper :(
[05:04] <Yagisan> no kernels boot, either old or new :(
[05:44] <gboutwel1> I'm having trouble getting a sound card to work..
[05:44] <gboutwel1> It's an aztec 2320 and seems to need an isapnp module preloaded before it and i'm not seeing this and modprobe can't find it.
[05:51] <gboutwel1> Anyone around that can help?
[05:52] <Burgundavia> gboutwel1: edubutu and ubuntu share the same logic for this, so you might try #ubuntu
[06:00] <gboutwel1> gotta go, not getting any help there either, croses fingers that it works after getting all the available updates
[09:25] <highvoltage> ogra: is the configure xserver-xorg resolution setting really needed?
[09:58] <Bluekuja> good morning
[09:58] <Bluekuja> :)
[10:00] <cbx33> hi Andrea
[10:00] <Bluekuja> hi :)
[10:00] <Bluekuja> just woken up
[10:00] <Bluekuja> hehe
[10:00] <cbx33> heheh
[10:01] <Bluekuja> we have to wait jon one moment
[10:01] <Bluekuja> is sure around i think
[10:01] <highvoltage> booya!
[10:01] <Bluekuja> hey jon!!!!!!!!!!!1
[10:02] <Bluekuja> :)
[10:02] <highvoltage> hi there Bluekuja 
[10:02] <Bluekuja> how are you? all ok?
[10:02] <highvoltage> yep, forging ahead with our Edubuntu Getting Started guide.
[10:02] <Bluekuja> heeh
[10:02] <highvoltage> coming along very nicely. i'd go as far as to say it could be a pre-release version for the cookbook :)
[10:03] <cbx33> oooooooh
[10:03] <Bluekuja> cool :) later ill give an eye
[10:03] <Bluekuja> to the testing wiki
[10:03] <Bluekuja> to add/modify something
[10:03] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: where is they getting started guide?
[10:03] <Bluekuja> oi corey :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> salut Bluekuja
[10:04] <Bluekuja> :)
[10:04] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: on my laptop, let me upload a fresh copy..
[10:07] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: where to?
[10:07] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: just a sec...
[10:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: ping
[10:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/
[10:14] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i haven't touched styling yet, will do that a bit later. my focus is on getting a whole bunch of content in there today
[10:16] <Burgundavia> what are you doing you doc in?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> html?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> in order for it to get translated, you need to make it docbook or xhtml strict (not transitional)
[10:17] <Burgundavia> can I send you a diff?
[10:17] <highvoltage> yeah, if you look ath the actual 'html', you'll see it's very xhtml'y
[10:17] <highvoltage> i'll just change that description on top to xhtml strict and run it through w3c
[10:18] <highvoltage> shouldn't be much of a problem at all
[10:18] <Burgundavia> it should be fairly easy to make it strict
[10:18] <highvoltage> shouldn't take more than 5 mins, since it's very, very close to strict.
[10:19] <Burgundavia> I am about to send you a diff of some content
[10:20] <highvoltage> ok
[10:21] <Bluekuja> jon nice page
[10:21] <Burgundavia> you have some wierd line issues, hope that doesn;t mess my diff up
[10:24] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: where shall I dump my diff?
[10:28] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: how large?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> just the first para
[10:28] <highvoltage> you can paste in /msg, or e-mail to jonathan@ubuntu.com
[10:29] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: sent via email. I need to sleep. I will look some more tomorrow
[10:30] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: sure, thanks
[10:39] <spacey> good morning
[10:43] <highvoltage> morning
[10:44] <juliux> morning
[11:30] <highvoltage> ogra: ever considered replacing dhcpd with dnsmasq?
[12:05] <ogra> highvoltage, not really
[12:07] <highvoltage> ogra: using dnsmasq will probably save some space, and i think it's a real handy thing to have anyway
[12:07] <mhz> hi all
[12:08] <highvoltage> hi mhz 
[12:09] <ogra> highvoltage, i think dnsmasq is fine for home users or as dns proxy ... 
[12:09] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there, you installed 200 labs_
[12:09] <mhz> ?
[12:09] <ogra> but i dont think that justifies code duplication in main 
[12:10] <ogra> isc dhcpd is somewhat standard, and the app you will find the most documentation for on the net ...
[12:10] <highvoltage> mhz: close, it's at ~196 atm
[12:10] <highvoltage> mhz: will be 200 in next 3 weeks or so
[12:11] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, that does make sense
[12:11] <mhz> highvoltage: and what has been your duty in such task?
[12:14] <highvoltage> mhz: that has changed just about every six months. from ~August 2003, Hilton and Jason and I did everything, sharing it with the other tuxlab volunteers (i was volunteering full time at that stage). back then I did everything from carrying hundreds of computers around to fixing problems at schools, helping schools with technical things by phone, and doing some other arb contract work for TSF.
[12:15] <mhz> wow! lotta worka
[12:15] <highvoltage> mhz: then in March 2004 I was employed full time, my job desc. said 'technical co-ordinator' (actually it still does, but is not as apt, really)
[12:15] <highvoltage> jason moved on to other projects, and hilton and i were far too stretched (there were 30 schools at this stage)
[12:15] <highvoltage> so we hired an admin person, Casey, do help us with that.
[12:16] <mhz> oh, I see
[12:16] <mhz> so it is still growing
[12:16] <highvoltage> when we got to ~40 schools, we couldn't keep up with support and roll-out, so we hired 2 help desk staff, chandre and wesley.
[12:16] <highvoltage> but we still couldn't keep up, so we hired Jeremey, a full-time on-site technician
[12:17] <highvoltage> at one stage we were installing 4-5 schools every weekend for 2 months, and we were so busy that the help desk slacked off a bit, i couldn't keep an eye on them all the time, so Riaan joined the team as help desk manager.
[12:17] <highvoltage> installations is quieting down now, mostly, so my job at the moment is enhancing our project and making more things work, adding more depth to the project.
[12:18] <highvoltage> that includes a lot of documentation on how we do things, and making our project more packagable so that other people can easily replicate it on mass scale.
[12:18] <mhz> highvoltage: and who carried out training to schools lab admins/teachers ?
[12:18] <highvoltage> training has always been a big problem for us.
[12:19] <highvoltage> we train educators to do training. which works really well, but then the educators get too skilled up in Linux, and they find a better job.
[12:19] <highvoltage> we have some headmasters who are a big angry because we gave their best teachers some valueble skills and then they left the school :/
[12:20] <mhz> oooooooppppps
[12:20] <highvoltage> so what we've done since the last year or so, is to have a group of champions at a school, instead of 1.
[12:20] <highvoltage> the 1-champion idea, which a lot of projects do, doesn't work so well here.
[12:20] <mhz> but that is not "your issue", that is market's
[12:20] <highvoltage> so each school has to have a computer committee, made up of educators, students, and community members, so that there's better skill fallover.
[12:21] <highvoltage> it's our issue because we have to make this project work!
[12:21] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah! great idea!
[12:21] <mhz> .oO(it sounds like a CSS idea)
[12:21] <highvoltage> CSS?
[12:21] <highvoltage> cascading style sheets? :)
[12:21] <mhz> yeah, :)
[12:21] <highvoltage> ok :)
[12:21] <mhz> fallover
[12:22] <mhz> knowledge resources are shared among the group
[12:22] <highvoltage> people assume our model is about technology and software, but the tuxlab model is much more about community and sustainability, and how to make things work in schools.
[12:22] <mhz> yeah, like edu-communities
[12:23] <mhz> (we are proposing similar model here in TC)
[12:24] <mhz> highvoltage: it feels good to know you are there and that is your model
[12:24] <mhz> and it's working
[12:25] <mhz> our main prob. here so far is getting teachers motivated to share knowledge and commit to "bazaar" ways
[12:25] <highvoltage> yeah, it took us a long time to get here though, we still have a lot of work ahead of us. *a lot*
[12:25] <mhz> incredibly, the are not so used to team work
[12:26] <mhz> highvoltage: but my feeling is you know you'll get there
[12:26] <mhz> highvoltage: it will ber VERY good we'll have time to share those experiences
[12:27] <highvoltage> yep, i have that feeling too
[12:27] <highvoltage> yeah :)
[12:27] <mhz> .oO(if we raise all funds. Though, personally, you are in my "priorities list for the event"))
[12:28] <highvoltage> mhz: some schools don't want to help each other here too, in the very poor areas, the schools are in competition to be the best school so that they can get more learners (more income), since they don't get money from government
[12:28] <mhz> well, you + themuso
[12:28] <highvoltage> :)
[12:28] <mhz> hmmm
[12:28] <mhz> damn, that seems to be happening in many schools in LA
[12:28] <ogra> highvoltage, thats an evil rule, you should change your laws
[12:29] <highvoltage> ogra: no shit!
[12:29] <highvoltage> we have lots of very, very stupid laws.
[12:29] <highvoltage> but there are many people working on changing them. they're getting slightly better all the time.
[12:29] <ogra> heh... youre not the only country with that prob :)
[12:29] <highvoltage> yeah, i suppose so.
[12:30] <highvoltage> ogra: 
[12:30] <highvoltage> ogra: this is still very ugly, and needs proofreading, but perhaps you'd just like to see what I've got so far: http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/
[12:32] <ogra> "The third option installs a server setup. ..."
[12:32] <ogra> make that: "The 'server' option installs a minimal system"
[12:32] <highvoltage> oh yes, i asked you about that last night, but i think you missed it
[12:32] <highvoltage> ok. i wanted to check whether it install minimal or edubuntu server without gui
[12:32] <highvoltage> thanks
[12:33] <ogra> i hadnt slept for about 50h yesterady, i went to bed early
[12:33] <mhz> highvoltage: or, '''The {{{server}}} option installs a minimal setup'''    :D
[12:34] <mhz> ogra: that is definately no good for your brain
[12:34] <highvoltage> ogra: wow, np though. sorry, didn't mean to complain or anything
[12:34] <ogra> mhz, everything that currently happens in my life isnt :)
[12:35] <ogra> highvoltage, i know :)
[12:35] <mhz> at least sleeping 3 hours after 9 hour-periods is healthier if you know you'll spend too many hours withour sleep
[12:35] <ogra> i had no 3h thhe last days
[12:36] <mhz> ogra: that bad? (is that happening to many people I know, including myself ?)
[12:38] <highvoltage> i need to ask this to clear my ignorance a bit, because I'm very confused on the status of 'the cookbook'.
[12:39] <highvoltage> have we been planning (recently) to ship it with dapper still?
[12:39] <mhz> iirc, yes
[12:39] <mhz> oh, "ship it" ?
[12:40] <mhz> hmmm
[12:40] <mhz> iirc, yes
[12:40] <highvoltage> package / distribute, not as in shipit.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <mhz> lol
[12:40] <mhz> good clarification
[12:40] <highvoltage> and the goals of it? is that to cover how to do an edubuntu lab? we could use the getting started doc as a base, can't we?
[12:45] <mhz> ogra: unfortuantelly, cfdisk is not working properly for me, nor fdisk. cfdisk only allows me to write changes while fdisk allows me to do anything. BUT, when I try to mount partitions, the "do not exist"
[12:45] <mhz> when I i try to use mkfs.* same thing, "dont exist"
[12:48] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[12:48] <Bluekuja> oi pete
[12:48] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:48] <cbx33> sorry got here a little late
[12:49] <Bluekuja> np
[12:49] <cbx33> great news from john
[12:49] <mhz> hi Bluekuja 
[12:49] <Bluekuja> hey mauricio!!!!!
[12:49] <Bluekuja> how are you man?
[12:49] <mhz> in the wiki, bluekuja is not Bluekuja 
[12:49] <mhz> :)
[12:49] <Bluekuja> mmmm...
[12:49] <Bluekuja> in ubuntu wiki
[12:49] <Bluekuja> its Bluekuja
[12:50] <Bluekuja> in launchpad bluekuja
[12:50] <Bluekuja> ^^
[12:50] <Bluekuja> how are you mauricio?
[12:51] <cbx33> Bluekuja, I'll let ou guys know the next time we can do i
[12:51] <cbx33> think it'll be teamspeak
[12:51] <cbx33> ?
[12:51] <mhz> Bluekuja: pissed off, I was happily sleeping when a group of 6 stupid kids woke me up (I have a little park -just 5 trees + grass area and some seats) at 4:50 AM and since then, i am here
[12:51] <cbx33> mhz, not a great start to the day
[12:51] <mhz> nope
[12:52] <Bluekuja> when lol
[12:52] <Bluekuja> hehe not nice
[12:52] <Bluekuja> sometimes my little sister come to wake me up
[12:52] <mhz> and I know that tonight, my neighbour will have a family party (we share a wall... very common in Chilean housing)
[12:52] <Bluekuja> and thats not nice
[12:52] <Bluekuja> ehhe
[12:52] <Bluekuja> tonight i start the trip for amsterdam
[12:52] <Bluekuja> at 21
[12:53] <mhz> Bluekuja: hehehe, at least that is a nice waking up. These kids were drunk
[12:53] <Bluekuja> haha
[12:53] <mhz> and told them, to !@#$%
[12:53] <Bluekuja> hehe
[12:53] <mhz> I will never do that to my kids >D
[12:53] <mhz> :)
[12:53] <Bluekuja> of course :)
[12:53] <Bluekuja> xD
[12:54] <Bluekuja> cbx
[12:54] <Bluekuja> pete
[12:54] <Bluekuja> is ok for you next week?
[12:54] <Bluekuja> coz there must be jane
[12:54] <Bluekuja> ogra
[12:54] <Bluekuja> and mauricio if he want
[12:54] <mhz> Bluekuja: in your email to marketing ML, it was a typo: bluekuja for the wiki
[12:54] <Bluekuja> really?
[12:54] <Bluekuja> aww
[12:54] <mhz> Bluekuja: my advice, simply link b to B
[12:55] <Bluekuja> great man
[12:55] <Bluekuja> let me do it
[12:55] <Bluekuja> one second
[12:55] <mhz> and hence you'll own 2 pages shown like one
[12:55] <Bluekuja> yeah correct
[12:55] <Bluekuja> just a moment
[12:57] <Bluekuja> okie done
[12:57] <Bluekuja> try now
[12:58] <Bluekuja> pete
[12:58] <Bluekuja> where did you go?!?
[12:59] <Bluekuja> it work good?
[12:59] <Bluekuja> the page 
[12:59] <mhz> yesp
[12:59] <Bluekuja> okie perfect
[12:59] <mhz> had to kill X
[12:59] <Bluekuja> again?
[12:59] <Bluekuja> hehe
[01:00] <mhz> :)
[01:00] <Bluekuja> i wait you :)
[01:00] <mhz> Bluekuja: where did you get the CSS for -it wiki?
[01:00] <Bluekuja> you mean ubuntu-it wiki?
[01:01] <mhz> yup
[01:01] <Bluekuja> mizar did it
[01:01] <Bluekuja> mizar(one of the leaders)
[01:02] <Bluekuja> him with the support of website group and others
[01:03] <Bluekuja> the forum template
[01:03] <Bluekuja> was made by mizar
[01:03] <Bluekuja> buttons
[01:03] <Bluekuja> etc too
[01:04] <Bluekuja> ah mauricio when you will re-start working to edubuntu-study-content tell me
[01:04] <Bluekuja> ;)
[01:05] <mhz> rumour says mid-april, Bluekuja 
[01:05] <Bluekuja> perfect
[01:05] <Bluekuja> i will be there
[01:05] <mhz> Bluekuja: I should have a lba installed for teachers to test Edubuntu by then
[01:06] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[01:06] <mhz> so I will have a kind of "focus-group" to ask questions for edubuntu-study-content
[01:06] <Bluekuja> ok perfect , ill help
[01:06] <Bluekuja> you
[01:06] <Bluekuja> :)
[01:06] <Bluekuja> i go eat 
[01:06] <mhz> thx. it is needed
[01:06] <Bluekuja> brb 30 minutes
[01:07] <Bluekuja> ;)
[03:45] <juliux> JaneW, ping
[03:45] <Pygi> highvoltage: you like to be OP, don't you? ;)
[03:50] <highvoltage> Pygi: sure, why not :)
[03:52] <Pygi> bah ;)
[03:54] <highvoltage> /kick Pygi 
[04:14] <ima> ?
[04:24] <highvoltage> i don't know what you are.
[04:50] <Bluekuja> jon still there?
[04:50] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: am now.
[04:51] <Bluekuja> i have added an emblem and a description
[04:51] <Bluekuja> to the page
[04:51] <highvoltage> for testers?
[04:51] <Bluekuja> yeah
[04:51] <Bluekuja> tell me if u like 
[04:52] <Bluekuja> emblem is linked to the testing idea
[04:52] <Bluekuja> ^^
[04:54] <highvoltage> ah yes. i think we need to make it more edubuntuy
[04:54] <Bluekuja> right jon
[04:54] <Bluekuja> i add edubuntu logo behind?
[04:55] <Bluekuja> it can be nice
[04:55] <highvoltage> yep
[04:55] <Bluekuja> let me see
[04:55] <highvoltage> have you seen the other edubuntu emblems?
[04:55] <Bluekuja> yeah
[04:55] <Bluekuja> i try something
[04:56] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: it's operating system hey, not operative system
[04:58] <Bluekuja> oh yeah sorry 
[04:58] <Bluekuja> :)
[04:59] <Bluekuja> that was for another page
[04:59] <Bluekuja> ^^
[04:59] <Bluekuja> what do you suggest?
[05:00] <Bluekuja> for the emblem?
[05:59] <highvoltage> eina!
[06:02] <Pygi> highvoltage: when will you have time next week?
[06:02] <highvoltage> Pygi: depends for what :)
[06:02] <Pygi> the BOOK
[06:02] <Pygi> :-P
[06:03] <highvoltage> Thursday is a public holiday
[06:03] <highvoltage> that looks good.
[06:03] <highvoltage> Pygi: have you seen what i've done last night and this morning?
[06:03] <Pygi> highvoltage: hm...no? :-P
[06:04] <Pygi> highvoltage: please respond to that mail, and send proposal for meeting day/time
[06:04] <highvoltage> http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/
[06:04] <highvoltage> Pygi: ok, i'm behind with e-mail responding, but will do tonight
[06:05] <highvoltage> Pygi: a big part of 'getting started' could be used for cookbook
[06:05] <highvoltage> Pygi: the missing parts we could hand out to people to complete, and we give short deadlines like, 24 hours. and say do it!
[06:05] <Pygi> highvoltage: no, no deal
[06:06] <Pygi> we'll talk to Jane and Herman (and ogra?), and we'll write it on our own
[06:06] <Pygi> at least for dapper
[06:06] <Pygi> it won't be written if we go any other way
[06:06] <highvoltage> well, with people I mean us :)
[06:07] <highvoltage> but i do believe in the short deadline thing
[06:07] <Pygi> yes, short deadline
[06:07] <Pygi> but I doubt we'll be able to ship this as a package
[06:07] <highvoltage> perhaps not for ogra, we shouldn't ask additional things from him at this stage
[06:08] <Pygi> yes, I know...that's why I said "?"
[06:08] <highvoltage> there's an edubuntu-docs package, i don't think it would cause trouble putting it in there, if size permits
[06:08] <highvoltage> oh, right. sorry!
[06:08] <Pygi> highvoltage: problems with time
[06:08] <Pygi> so we can't get it into docs
[06:09] <Pygi> we'll have to work a lot on the book to even get it finished
[06:10] <highvoltage> Pygi: can you explain to me what the goals of the book is atm, i've been out of touch and I'm not sure anymore
[06:12] <Pygi> highvoltage: well, the "right" goals are still to be set by us, but... the point where we are now: Learn a user how to deploy & use & effectivly administrate edubuntu enviroment
[06:12] <highvoltage> ok
[06:13] <highvoltage> Pygi: i'll make pretty much any time available for us to discuss it, except for tuesday evening.
[06:13] <Pygi> yes,yes, I know ^_^
[08:56] <dabaR> Is edubuntu also put back to 1st June?
[08:57] <dabaR> Is the version number also to be 6.06?
[08:57] <crimsun> they'll all be 6.06
[08:57] <dabaR> OK, I will edit the wiki page for edubuntu a little bit then.
[09:01] <dabaR> I bet someone is writing/wrote a script for that.
[09:07] <highvoltage> to update 6.04 to 6.06?
[09:08] <dabaR> ya
[10:33] <Pygi> spacey, JaneW, highvoltage...
[10:35] <highvoltage> Pygi
[10:36] <Pygi> highvoltage: you have time now?
[10:45] <highvoltage> Pygi: yes
[10:45] <highvoltage> Pygi: just responded to your mail
[10:46] <Pygi> k, I'll look it up
[10:46] <Pygi> I wanted us to start a draft of chapter/articles layout
[10:46] <highvoltage> excellent.
[10:47] <highvoltage> that was what i've been stronly hinting at in my mail :)
[10:48] <Pygi> and I wasn't imposing secrecy or anything
[10:48] <Pygi> just leave the writing things beetween three of us
[10:49] <dabaR> I heard it too..
[10:49] <Pygi> dabaR: Hm, what you heared? 
[10:49] <dabaR> what you were gonna keep between the three of you.
[10:49] <highvoltage> ok
[10:49] <Pygi> dabaR: bah, writing of a book
[10:49] <dabaR> So now I'm in...
[10:50] <Pygi> dabaR: hm, no? :P
[10:50] <dabaR> And I have your email pwd:P
[10:50] <Pygi> dabaR: o, yes, damn :-/
[10:50] <Pygi> highvoltage: let's start with chapters, then we'll write up articles for them
[10:50] <Pygi> so what
[10:50] <Pygi> Chapter 1: Introduction
[10:50] <highvoltage> ok
[10:51] <dabaR> Hey, I did complete that proxy. And then I rewrote it in Ruby
[10:51] <Pygi> dabaR: #ubuntu-hr pls
[10:51] <Pygi> Chapter 2: Getting started
[10:52] <Pygi> Chapter 3: Edubuntu at home
[10:53] <Pygi> Chapter 4: Edubuntu implemented (schools, etc)
[10:53] <Pygi> 5: Administration
[10:53] <Pygi> Chapter 5*
[10:53] <Pygi> Chapter 6: Use it! (tips & tricks on how to use Edubuntu potentials)
[10:54] <Pygi> Chapter 7: Getting support
[10:54] <Pygi> Chapter 8: Contributing to Edubuntu
[10:55] <Pygi> highvoltage: still alive?
[10:55] <highvoltage> yep, sorry, still multitasking a bit
[10:55] <highvoltage> i'm listening though :)
[10:55] <Pygi> bah, what do you think :-P
[10:56] <highvoltage> i think you should mail everyone in the edubuntu cookbook team, and myself, janew and ogra, and propose this structure
[10:56] <highvoltage> also detailing what every section should consist of
[10:56] <Pygi> ah, will do
[10:56] <highvoltage> then ask for volunteers for every subsection, and explain that someone has to do a subsection every 48 hour period, or the work will be given to someone else
[10:57] <highvoltage> it's a bit extreme, but i think we need to be a bit hard at this stage on documentation
[10:57] <Pygi> highvoltage: no, just three of us :P
[10:58] <highvoltage> :P
[10:59] <highvoltage> well, ogra has a lot of work to do before release, we shouldn't count on him, I have lots of work atm too, but i've made some time for this (and there's lots of public holidays coming up)
[10:59] <highvoltage> but-
[10:59] <Pygi> yup, I know we don't count on ogra
[10:59] <Pygi> me, you and Johan
[10:59] <highvoltage> even if that wasn't the case, we should give people a way to contribute, give them a chance to select their level of involvement
[11:00] <highvoltage> oh, Johan. ok.
[11:00] <highvoltage> dabaR = Johan?
[11:00] <Pygi> no :P
[11:00] <Pygi> spacey = Johan
[11:00] <Pygi> lol, Herman 
[11:00] <Pygi> sorry :P
[11:00] <Pygi> not Johan
[11:00] <highvoltage> hehe. I was just about to say :)
[11:02] <Pygi> highvoltage: I am just working on draft
[11:02] <Pygi> complete one
[11:03] <highvoltage> anyone here from jsgotangco lately? he was very interested in the cookbook, I think he'd traveling atm though
[11:05] <Pygi> nop, havent heard
[11:06] <highvoltage> have jelkner, kjcole or flint contributed to the cookbook so far?
[11:06] <highvoltage> they have said a lot in the past, but I can't remember reading their content.
[11:10] <Pygi> agreed, said a lot :P
[11:10] <highvoltage> Pygi: looked at this? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[11:11] <Pygi> yup, thats old
[11:11] <Pygi> me and herman got new one
[11:11] <highvoltage> i think this was Jerome who set up these sub-chapters: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=cookbook&titlesearch=Titles
[11:11] <highvoltage> ok
[11:11] <Pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu
[11:12] <Pygi> highvoltage: huuh, this seems like already written?
[11:12] <Pygi> entire book???!!!
[11:13] <highvoltage> Pygi: i think most of it comes from the tuXlab cookbook, it just needs to be mofified and adapted
[11:13] <Pygi> hm, that isn't much about edubuntu tho
[11:13] <Pygi> it's mostly general
[11:16] <highvoltage> yep
[11:16] <highvoltage> i'm going to bed now... will be here again tomorrow
[11:16] <Pygi> I'll write this soon, so we'll see
[11:16] <Pygi> night ;)
[11:16] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu
[11:19] <dabaR> Hello, nurse.
[11:20] <Pygi> dabaR: ???
[11:21] <dabaR> To ti je iz animaniacsa
[11:23] <Pygi> dabaR: no croatian here, please
[11:36] <spacey> Pygi: tomorrow i'll do some cookbook work
[11:36] <spacey> tonight is ... 
[11:36] <spacey> relaxing!:)
[11:37] <Pygi> spacey: hm, I am just writing a chapters/articles thingy
[11:37] <Pygi> you'll see ;)
[11:37] <spacey> ok
[11:37] <spacey> talk to you tomorrow
[11:37] <spacey> i'll go continue drinking beer with my friend
[11:41] <Pygi> spacey: enjoy
[12:03] <dabaR> sioux