[12:05] <sivang> _mvo_: yes
[12:05] <sivang> mdke: okay, thanks
[12:06] <sivang> _mvo_: I just want a cd iso
[12:09] <sivang> _mvo_: you know where I can download one?
[12:10] <Pygi> sivang: ISO of what?
[12:10] <KaiL_> oh, cool
[12:10] <KaiL_> eh - wrong window ;)
[12:10] <sivang> Pygi: 5.10 
[12:11] <sivang> Pygi: breezy, not DVD. releases.ubuntu.com has only DVD images
[12:11] <Burgwork> sivang, I believe that is due to the isntaller vuln
[12:11] <sivang> Burgwork: okay, so I better start downloading...
[12:11] <Mithrandir> sivang: uh?  http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ ?
[12:11] <Pygi> sivang: torrents?
[12:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: I arrived at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ from cdimage.u.c
[12:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: thanks
[12:37] <Pygi> damn, espresso just failed to install ubuntu :(
[12:39] <Pygi> people, wake up...flight 6 doesn't work
[12:41] <sladen> Pygi: how did it fail?
[12:42] <sladen> Pygi: what error messages were there?  Can you please file a bug at:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/espresso/+filebug
[12:43] <Pygi> sladen: grub installation failed, and once I fixed it, the system refused to boot at all
[12:44] <Pygi> sladen: I fixed everything with live cd, but Xserver refuses to load
[12:47] <sivang> good night all!
[12:48] <Pygi> night sivang
[12:49] <Pygi> bah, nevermind, drop that failing things, etc.
[12:49] <Pygi> everyone is sleeping mostly anyway or working :P
[12:58] <Fjodor> Does anyone know why I am having trouble linking against code compiled with the libstdc++5 things and gcc-3.3? Is this a bug that I need to file with you guys?
[01:01] <Seveas> you should recompile - everything in Ubuntu is compiled with 4.0 which is abi-incompatible with 3.3
[01:03] <Fjodor> Well, the whole point is to compile against the 3.3 things. I am trying out pathscale, which is based on 3.3
[01:06] <Fjodor> What made me think I might trouble you guys with it was, that dapper provides the 3.3-things, so I guess it should be possible to use it
[01:08] <Fjodor> Actually, it compiles fine, but fails on referenced in section `.rodata' of seti_boinc-schema_master.o: defined in discarded section
[01:08] <Fjodor> when linking
[01:10] <Fjodor> However, I won't hold it aginst you if you tell me to seek advice elsewhere :-)
[01:13] <Seveas> I'm no C++ expert, but as I understand it it's not possible to do what you want
[01:14] <Fjodor> Hmm, that's sort of a let-down. Can I ask you some questions in private about this, or are you busy?
[01:15] <Fjodor> ... and/or not interested :-P
[01:20] <Seveas> neither busy nor interested - but I'm off anyway (bedtime)
[01:21] <Fjodor> Fair enough. Thanks for your time anyway :-)
[01:21] <Fjodor> And sleep well
[02:07] <robertj> does anyone else get a warning dialog between the time they open the theme preference dialog and the time it appears but it goes away automatically?
[02:43] <jdong> guys, no Ubuntu april fools joke yet?
[02:45] <yves> a few
[02:45] <yves> @#ubuntu-motu: <kbrooks> has canonical merged with mandriva/
[02:45] <yves> :-D
[02:47] <whiprush> I'm waiting for the joke gdm splash like last time. :D
[02:49] <yves> I've just helped this canonical/mandriva merge joke to spread hehe
[03:49] <OgMaciel> anyone seen this yet?  http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/2006/04/account_created.html   sounds like an April's fool joke to me
[03:50] <Lathiat> no kidding :)
[04:11] <gonffen> oh noes nubuntu
[04:12] <Keybuk> English please on here
[04:17] <gonffen> Keybuk: nubuntu is no more
[04:17] <gonffen> is that good for you?
[04:17] <Keybuk> what was nubuntu?
[04:17] <gonffen> nubuntu.org
[04:17] <gonffen> maybe it's part of this whole conical/mandirva merger?
[04:18] <Keybuk> this is all a bit off-topic for this channel
[04:18] <gonffen> you sure?
[04:18] <gonffen> it is related to the development of ubuntu
[04:18] <gonffen> or did I get the topic wrong?
[04:19] <Keybuk> it doesn't matter too much at this time of night and weekend of course, I guess
[04:19] <Keybuk> most people are asleep or being forced to spend time with their partners :p
[04:20] <Amaranth> nubuntu was ubuntu for script kiddies?
[04:20] <Keybuk> Amaranth: heh, that was my opinion at first glance too :)  I thought I'd be more diplomatic though
[04:20] <gonffen> lol
[04:20] <gonffen> ubuntu is linux for people who don't want to learn it :)
[04:21] <Amaranth> windows is for people who don't want to learn DOS
[04:21] <Keybuk> blenders are for people who don't want to use a whisk
[04:21] <Amaranth> a keyboard is for people who don't want to learn how to flip switches to generate hex codes
[04:21] <gonffen> 
[04:21] <gonffen> windows is for people too stupid to learn dos
[04:22] <Keybuk> a dog is for life, not just for christmas
[04:22] <gonffen> never heard that one before :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:22] <Amaranth> If you're going to be annoying and try to 'r00t' me at least know what you're doing
[04:22] <gonffen> lol
[04:22] <gonffen> ya I hear ya
[04:23] <Keybuk> Amaranth: I just set my root password to "god"
[04:23] <Keybuk> for some reason, kiddies never try that oine
[04:23] <Amaranth> haha
[04:23] <gonffen> that and sex
[04:23] <Keybuk> yeah, script kiddies never try sex
[04:23] <Keybuk> it explains a lot about them
[04:23] <gonffen> I make all my secure passwords sex
[04:23] <Amaranth> 'password' works for me
[04:24] <Keybuk> "...so, would her holiness mind changing her password?"
[04:24] <gonffen> wow it's sad when you can actually quote Hackers :\
[04:25] <Keybuk> I can quote pretty much any film I've seen, or any book I've read
[04:25] <Keybuk> you'd think it'
[04:25] <whiprush> hi Keybuk 
[04:25] <Keybuk> d be useful at dinner parties, but it usually results in me getting stapped
[04:25] <Keybuk> stabbed too
[04:25] <Keybuk> whiprush: heyhey
[04:25] <gonffen> lol
[04:25] <whiprush> you think bug 37128 is a dupe of 37084? 
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37128 in network-manager network-manager-gnome "nm-applet doesnt start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37128
[04:26] <Keybuk> I've no idea
[04:26] <Keybuk> I must admit that I've tended to ignore most nm bugs
[04:26] <whiprush> It's currently crashing when there are entries in /etc/network/interfaces.
[04:26] <infinity> whiprush: Not entries, entries with extra info in the iface stanza.
[04:26] <Keybuk> looks the same
[04:27] <Keybuk> and looks like the bug infinity told me about
[04:27] <infinity> whiprush: (ie: anything more than just "iface eth1 inet dhcp")
[04:27] <whiprush> I fixed 95% of my n-m problems by replacing the madwifi in my X40 with an ipw2200. I recommend spending the money.
[04:27] <whiprush> infinity: k.
[04:27] <whiprush> So should I dupe these reports or .. ?
[04:27] <Keybuk> yeah if you like
[04:27] <Keybuk> fix it too :)
[04:28] <Amaranth> the firmware needed for the latest ipw2200 driver isn't redistributable, is it?
[04:28] <infinity> Amaranth: No less so than any previous version we've shipped.
[04:29] <Keybuk> infinity: I've pretty much decided NM isn't getting seeded at this point
[04:29] <Amaranth> infinity: It sounds like older vesions were ok
[04:29] <Keybuk> so I'm kinda slacking on bugs in it, and instead looking at better fruit
[04:29] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:29] <Amaranth> from this blog i'm reading
[04:29] <infinity> Keybuk: ... To desktop, or do you mean you're removing it from suported?
[04:29] <Keybuk> *my* patch to disable interfaces was fine
[04:29] <Keybuk> looks like the upstream functionality isn't
[04:29] <Keybuk> infinity: leave it in supported, just not in a meta package
[04:29] <infinity> Right, I assumed that's how it would end up.
[04:30] <infinity> (Well, it still seems a good fit for live...
[04:30] <infinity> )
[04:30] <infinity> Amaranth: And where is this blog?
[04:30] <Keybuk> yeah, less user configuration to get in the way of
[04:30] <Keybuk> NM is just *such* a bitch to get going when it's decided to be horrid
[04:30] <Amaranth> oh, i read it wrong
[04:30] <Amaranth> the problem is just that it needed new firmware
[04:30] <Keybuk> requires a degree in advanced fuckery just to get a working machine
[04:31] <whiprush> the wpa bugs keep piling up too.
[04:31] <Keybuk> wpa bugs?
[04:31] <Keybuk> on NM or suppository?
[04:31] <whiprush> on NM I mean
[04:31] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:31] <Keybuk> I still can't get it to work
[04:32] <infinity> It worked over here, in testing.
[04:32] <Keybuk> it's worked for some people
[04:32] <whiprush> It works great for some people
[04:33] <Keybuk> but for me, it just sits in a "yeah, associated, BUT NO CIGAR" state
[04:33] <Keybuk> I think it's NM being stupid
[04:33] <Keybuk> because WPA works perfectly if I just put the appropriate suppository stanzas in /e/n/i
[04:33] <infinity> Well, "it works great for some people" seems to be a good argument for the "ship it, but don't install it by default" state.
[04:34] <Keybuk> with the changes to wpasuppository itself though, I'm entirely happy for that to be seeded
[04:34] <Keybuk> want it in the minimal seed
[04:34] <Keybuk> along with wireless-tools
[04:36] <whiprush> Keybuk: a month ago you were kind of against this whole nm .6 thing. And at the time I thought you were crazy.
[04:36] <Keybuk> I'm still against it
[04:36] <whiprush> Now I'm thinking you were probably right
[04:37] <Keybuk> :o)
[04:37] <whiprush> now people assume that dapper will have working gui WPA support and whatnot.
[04:37] <whiprush> now you guys are kind of screwed. :-/
[04:37] <Keybuk> my experience of NM is not good
[04:37] <Keybuk> it's some of the worst code I've ever seen
[04:37] <Keybuk> I really do not like it
[04:37] <Keybuk> but hey
[04:37] <Keybuk> it's the second coming apparently
[04:37] <Keybuk> so I guess we have to ship it
[04:38] <whiprush> though, I think those guys from the community working on the problem is a good thing.
[04:38] <whiprush> Pity they weren't around like, 2 cycles ago. :-/
[04:42] <Amaranth> what ever happened to wifigui or whatever that project was called
[04:43] <Amaranth> it an ubuntuforums community project thing, written in python
[04:44] <Amaranth> gtkwifi
[04:45] <Keybuk> what did it do?
[04:45] <Amaranth> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=132677&ssid=18920
[04:46] <Amaranth> not dapper material but maybe something to take a look at for dapper+1
[04:46] <Amaranth> last release was almost a year ago though :/
[04:46] <Amaranth> May 15th, 2005
[04:47] <Amaranth> comments like "good job bsoft, works perfectly and is lighter weight the networkmanager" make me interested
[04:48] <Keybuk> that looks like what NM is trying to solve
[04:48] <Keybuk> and I don't see how that's addressed the permissions problems
[04:48] <Amaranth> sure, it has it's own problems
[04:49] <Amaranth> but it actually seems to work :P
[05:24] <infinity> mdz: Was requesting X SWAT membership and then deactivating same an intentional thing?
[05:25] <mdz> infinity: that is the only way for me to add bug contacts right now
[05:25] <mdz> by temporarily joining the team
[05:25] <infinity> Oh, special.
[05:51] <CarlFK> Kamion: preseed - partitioner is stuck in a loop or something 
[05:52] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar31/d/
[06:04] <_TomB> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[06:16] <Amaranth> is it trying to be gentoo?
[06:17] <_TomB> it's changed again
[06:18] <Amaranth> purple and green, same as the first time i looked
[06:18] <LaserJock> hmm, some sort of sick April 1st joke?
[06:19] <_TomB> purple and musturdy color for me
[07:16] <YokoZar> does anyone here know something about reprepro?
[07:35] <zyga> hello
[07:35] <zyga> did you guys see the news, microsoft is buying cannonical!
[07:37] <_TomB> lol
[07:37] <nictuku> ah ok
[07:37] <Burgundavia> zyga: got a link?
[07:38] <zyga> Burgundavia: yes, just a moment
[07:39] <zyga> Burgundavia: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm
[08:10] <CarlFK> pasteland went crazy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11211
[08:11] <jsgotangco> happy april fools
[08:11] <CarlFK> tee hee
[08:11] <CarlFK> apparently if you submit the jibberish, you get goodness: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11212
[08:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK: rot13
[08:13] <CarlFK> should that "Brokenpackages" be bugged?
[10:05] <Treenaks> omg... slashdot HAS ponies!
[10:05] <Treenaks> And we don't!
[10:05] <TomB|> ubuntuforums.org has powerpuff girls
[10:05] <Treenaks> TomB|: that's not a pony!
[10:06] <Lathiat> haha
[10:07] <TomB|> hehe
[10:10] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> slashdot is pink?!
[10:13] <Treenaks> UbuntuStudio, a wiki for using Ubuntu Linux for a digital music studio, redirects to FruityLoops.com, a Windows application.
[10:13] <Treenaks> ... http://www.nubuntu.org/
[10:14] <TomB|> hehe
[10:15] <jsgotangco> yeah go canonical go to a suing spree
[10:17] <Treenaks> What's it with all these sites turning pink and ponyish :)
[10:17] <Treenaks> Lots of sites seem share the same joke :)
[10:18] <TomB|> because its the new trend
[10:19] <jsgotangco> its becoming pretty lame after a few hours though
[10:20] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: yeah..it's only funny once.. if at all
[10:20] <jsgotangco> the first one i saw was with /. and it was funny
[10:20] <jsgotangco> but when i saw the forums have strange colors i wasn't that much surprised at all
[10:21] <jsgotangco> there's also the one with planet debian having linus
[10:45] <spoob> Is jdub aruond these days? Or is he away overseas?
[11:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I believe you just give ports/daily as the source rather than daily and publish-release will work the rest out for itself
[11:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: oh, and you'll probably need to say ARCHES='hppa ia64 sparc'
[11:21] <sivang> morning all
[11:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: sorry, went to bed early. the cron job is running now, and ubuntu seems to have been synced, working on kubuntu now
[11:57] <giftnudel> is flight 6 the daily from yesterday?
[12:00] <Kamion> giftnudel: yeah
[12:00] <giftnudel> thanks
[12:00] <jsgotangco> my download suddenly died
[12:00] <jsgotangco> :/
[12:06] <ogra> no flight 6 announcement ? or is my mailserver dizzy ?
[12:06] <maswan> ogra: waiting for me
[12:06] <ogra> ah, k
[12:07] <maswan> my mirroring should be done in 15 minutes or so, then it is up to Mithrandir, Kamion or someone else to push out a release
[12:07] <maswan> cdimage is horribly slow to mirror from, otherwise the croned mirror would be done by now
[12:07] <ogra> i didnt want to be pushy :) just noted there is no announcement yet :)
[12:08] <maswan> I meant to be pushy wrt cdimage slowness. ;)
[12:11] <ogra> heh
[12:12] <infinity> Not everyone has more free academic bandwidth than they know what to do with. :P
[12:13] <torkel> infinity: just wait till we have 10G :-)
[12:13] <ogra> torkel, wait until we drop CDs and switch to DVDs :P
[12:18] <giftnudel> oh, if you install, pay attention that you don't select the wrong partition to be formatted
[12:19] <giftnudel> (at least for me, it did select the wrong as default ...)
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> Hm, isn't cdmirror a hefty little machine?
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> main archive is still pretty snappy.
[12:19] <infinity> HiddenWolf: Nothing wrong with the machines, the bandwidth out of the DC is crap.
[12:20] <HiddenWolf> infinity: oh, fun. 
[12:20] <infinity> (You may think it's great, but you don't have as much of a pipe as maswan does...)
[12:20] <HiddenWolf> infinity, I couldn't care less, I have a straight 100mbit line to the isp across the street, which has a mirror. :)
[12:21] <HiddenWolf> Living in a converted office building across the street from my isp. ;)
[12:22] <HiddenWolf> I was just imagining what the dapper release would do, when we look at the stats from breezy. :)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> maswan: yeah, I noticed.  No worries. :-)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ok, let's try that, then. :-)
[12:25] <Mithrandir> ogra: the announcement was sent several hours ago, but it needs to be approved.
[12:25] <ogra> ah
[12:31] <maswan> Mithrandir: done
[12:32] <maswan> infinity: you guys should get more mirrors to take the load, and perhaps a mozilla-style bouncer for the images? :)
[12:33] <Mithrandir> maswan: we should, yes.
[12:33] <maswan> Mithrandir: Can it be the "OMG!! Ducklings!" release? ;)
[12:34] <Mithrandir> maswan: haha.  Dragonettes if so.
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> Mithrandir: any plans in that direction?
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> Mithrandir: the site was dead-slow for a week after breezy, imagine what Dapper will do.
[12:34] <maswan> Mithrandir: pfft. the poll on the fridge clearly showed that the dapper drake is a duck. :)
[12:34] <Mithrandir> HiddenWolf: not that I know of.  Flight 6, while announced today was released yesterday and is a very real release.
[12:34] <Znarl> maswan : It's slow not because of the data centre bandwidth but because one of the cdimage machines has poor disk IO.
[12:34] <Znarl> maswan : We plan to upgrade the machine in the next few days.
[12:35] <maswan> Znarl: Ah, ok. Great.
[12:35] <Mithrandir> maswan: that's just the plebe talking.
[12:35] <maswan> Znarl: What kind of new storage are you putting in?
[12:35] <Mithrandir> Znarl: now that we're doing some sort of QoS-ing, would it be possible to put maswan in the "free bandwidth" class?
[12:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: That'd only help network though, not disk
[12:36] <Znarl> Mithrandir : We are not yet doing QoS either. 
[12:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: true, but I think network is a limiting factor.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> Znarl: we're just limiting bandwidth in total?  Or did we stop?
[12:38] <Znarl> We've stoped limiting bandwidth.  We had to limit before because a flight was released and a number of security updates at the same time.  We gave the bandwidth to the security updates and limited the flight.
[12:38] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[12:39] <maswan> Znarl: Btw, you guys could go back to dumping more of cdimage releases traffic our way. We don't mind. :)
[12:39] <Znarl> There's a fast full mirror of cdimage here : http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/
[12:39] <maswan> Znarl: ftp.heanet.ie?
[12:39] <Znarl> maswan : Yes.
[12:39] <Mithrandir> Znarl: is that triggered by publish-release too?
[12:39] <Mithrandir> uh, sync-mirrors
[12:39] <Mithrandir> sorry.
[12:40] <Znarl> Mithrandir : Not setup as a trigger or push mirror yet.
[12:40] <Znarl> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ is a mirror in the US that has flights too.
[12:50] <Mithrandir> hmm, we didn't do ubuntu-server flight 6.  Should we?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> id love to test that
[12:51] <Kamion> no harm in it, if you want to
[12:51] <Kamion> although post-flight-6 uploads have already started
[12:51] <Mithrandir> it'd be fairly untested, but I don't see why not.
[12:51] <Mithrandir> sure, but that seems to mostly be gui stuff
[12:51] <Kamion> installer too
[12:51] <Mithrandir> hm, ok
[12:51] <Kamion> should be safeish though
[12:52] <Mithrandir> we do kubuntu ports too?
[12:52] <Mithrandir> I'll just tag it and we can we test it and see if it's good.
[12:52] <Kamion> not so far, AFAICR
[12:52] <Mithrandir> 1 15 * * *      for-project kubuntu cron.ports_daily; for-project kubuntu cron.ports_daily-live
[12:54] <Mithrandir> doesn't seem to be in the tree, though
[12:54] <Mithrandir> also, should we do flight releases of the DVDs?  (Next time, that is)
[12:55] <Kamion> not so keen on that for bandwidth reasons
[12:56] <Mithrandir> ok
[12:56] <Kamion> no objection to people actually starting to *test* the damn things, but ...
[12:56] <Mithrandir> we could just publish the torrents and rsync urls for them?
[12:57] <Kamion> s/ and rsync urls/ I think
[12:58] <Kamion> s/ and rsync urls// I think (er, yeah, mornings)
[12:58] <maswan> Mithrandir: or just publish the ie location? ;)
[12:58] <maswan> well, you might want to ask the mirror admin first, of course
[12:58] <Mithrandir> maswan: if they're fine with that, we could.  Else, it would be a bit harsh. :-)
[01:00] <Mithrandir> we don't have ubuntu-server live images? ;-P
[01:01] <maswan> I think they put that on the main image, but I'm not sure
[01:02] <maswan> server live = debsums, chkrootkit, other forensics
[01:10] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: do you want to test before or after I mark ubuntu-server as flight-6?
[01:15] <Znarl> cdimage preformance should improve shortly.
[01:19] <Mithrandir> there, ubuntu-server flight 6 released too
[01:20] <maswan> Mithrandir: should I mirror those too?
[01:20] <Mithrandir> maswan: I doubt we'll have a ton of interest, but please do feel free.  Both ports and ubuntu-server would be nice to have.
[01:20] <maswan> hmm.. I don't have an rsync line for ubuntu-server yet.
[01:21] <Mithrandir> it's just edubuntu with s/edubuntu/ubuntu-server/.
[01:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: Yeah, syncing now. Ports first.
[01:22] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[01:23] <Kamion> did you just build ubuntu-server on the spot and release it? :)
[01:23] <Kamion> or were there sensible dailies available?
[01:24] <maswan> "If it mkisofss, it's releasable - If it boots, it's perfect"?
[01:24] <Kamion> speaking of, I hope you at least rebuilt amd64 ... :)
[01:25] <maswan> Mithrandir: So, 1M/s sync speed, you can guess when it's done
[01:28] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I just built it and released it.
[01:29] <Harti> hello. is the package "wpasupplicant" now per default installed?
[01:29] <Mithrandir> based on the "what could possibly go wrong?" assumption
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ekk
[01:29] <jsgotangco> didnt notice
[01:29] <jsgotangco> i'm grabbing it anyway
[01:29] <jsgotangco> sorry
[01:30] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: if it's utterly broken, I'm not fussed to do flight-6.0.1 for ubuntu-server.
[01:30] <jsgotangco> no worries at least we'll know
[01:32] <Kamion> Mithrandir: cool.
[01:32] <Kamion> Harti: it will be in dapper; technical problems with the archive maintenance software mean it isn't quite installed by default yet
[01:32] <Kamion> (AFAIK)
[01:32] <Harti> Kamion: ok, thx
[01:34] <Kamion> (bug 37156, if you care)
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37156 in launchpad-upload-and-queue "can't change sections or priorities with change-override.py" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37156
[01:35] <Kamion> oh, hey, actually it's not blocked on that right now because somebody moved wpasupplicant to standard, so a new ubuntu-meta upload would sort it out
[01:35] <Kamion> but we really need to get the above bug sorted because wpasupplicant should be alongside wireless-tools in minimal
[01:37] <ploum> Hello..
[01:37] <ploum> I think this bug must be adressed before Dapper release :
[01:37] <ploum> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:39] <j^> ploum 2006-04-01
[01:46] <jsgotangco> nice advocay bug though
[01:47] <jsgotangco> i'd download an ubuntu server to fix that :P
[01:53] <G0SUB> ploum: is that a april fools joke?
[01:55] <tseng> hm, my network manager is insiting on using /sbin/wpa_supplicant
[01:55] <tseng> not /usr/sbin
[01:56] <tseng> thusly failing on all encrypted networks
[01:58] <Lure> tseng: that is correct - install wpasupplicant from offical repo 
[01:59] <tseng> Lure: ah, I knew it had to be that pre stuff
[01:59] <tseng> i checked version on nm only
[01:59] <Lure> tseng: I think even version is the same - remove and install again and it should work
[01:59] <ploum> G0SUB, guess...
[01:59] <tseng> thanks, couldnt find a bug report.
[02:00] <slomo_> hm, what happened to the buildds?
[02:00] <G0SUB> ploum: oh! I am a fool ... I rejected the bug :(
[02:02] <Kamion> slomo_: looks like they all fell over with socket errors - https://launchpad.net/+builds
[02:02] <Kamion> infinity: around?
[02:04] <giftnudel> where can I file bugs against the live cd? (under which component)
[02:05] <Kamion> giftnudel: casper if it's the live CD startup process; if it's a particular application on the live CD, then just file on that application
[02:07] <giftnudel> cool
[02:07] <giftnudel> thanks
[02:07] <giftnudel> than I will write some bug reports
[02:08] <giftnudel> then
[02:09] <jsgotangco> lol someone from the united nations list picked up the nubuntu joke
[02:11] <ploum> jsgotangco, what is the nubuntu joke ?
[02:11] <Yagisan> ploum: it's supposed to be a "security tools" version of ubuntu
[02:11] <ploum> G0SUB, any objection that I mark this bug as confirmed for today ?
[02:12] <Kamion> er ... nubuntu has been around for a while longer than April 1
[02:12] <ploum> well, it seems so.. I don't understand where the joke is
[02:12] <jsgotangco> Kamion, yeah but check out the site
[02:13] <jsgotangco> Canonical has asked for nUbuntu to Cease Development
[02:13] <Kamion> ah, heh
[02:14] <Yagisan> how long is it supposed to take gconf2 (2.14.0-1ubuntu1) to set up ? it's 20 minutes so far on a 2GHz amd64
[02:15] <azeem> Yagisan: gconf2 doesn't compute the answer to the question about life, the universe and everything
[02:15] <tseng> jsgotangco: is that the same guy who thought canonical was going to fund and host his project any day?
[02:16] <jsgotangco> nahhh
[02:16] <tseng> there are two projects called nubuntu, btw
[02:16] <jsgotangco> oh?
[02:16] <tseng> yeah.
[02:16] <_ion> azeem: Of course not, that would be rather redundant.
[02:16] <_ion> Instead it is computing the question.
[02:16] <Pygi> _ion: hi :)
[02:16] <_ion> Hi Pygi
[02:16] <_ion> What's up?
[02:17] <tseng> jsgotangco: .com and .org
[02:17] <bpuccio> wait, the nubuntu thing is an april fools? (I saw it on digg hours ago, but was waiting to see what the word from canonical was, but didn't see anything on the lists)
[02:17] <Pygi> _ion: nothing, made a joke on forum about nm ;)
[02:17] <_ion> pygi: URL please? :-)
[02:17] <jsgotangco> tseng, oh that's him then, doing the joke (.org)
[02:17] <Yagisan> azeem: it would be nice if it works soon. I'd like to use that box for motu related work
[02:17] <Pygi> _ion: sec pls
[02:18] <Pygi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=881226#post881226
[02:18] <Pygi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=881416#post881416
[02:18] <Pygi> find it somewhere pls
[02:18] <Pygi> I'll be back asap ;)
[02:18] <Kamion> bpuccio: guess
[02:18] <azeem> Yagisan: is it hung, or does it take up CPU tie?
[02:18] <azeem> time
[02:19] <_ion> pygi: Hehe.
[02:19] <_ion> Thomann (a company i ordered monitor speakers from) made a nice april fools joke. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/pictures/monitorit/
[02:19] <Yagisan> azeem: I think it's hung
[02:27] <G0SUB> ploum: please go ahead
[02:34] <G0SUB> _ion: what is the joke in damaged speakers?
[02:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: ports done, doing server now
[02:36] <Pygi> _ion: by monday, we need 0.6.2 ;)
[02:36] <_ion> g0sub: Well, i ordered non-damaged speakers. :-)
[02:36] <G0SUB> _ion: bah!
[02:37] <_ion> The speakers in the pictures are actually the ones they sent after i returned the ones they sent initially  those were faulty. :-D
[02:38] <G0SUB> agh!
[02:38] <G0SUB> _ion: the fault was with the courier guys I guess
[02:40] <_ion> g0sub: I wouldn't blame the postal service. Thomann had neglected to put some protective styrox over the speakers inside the cardboard box.
[02:40] <G0SUB> I see
[02:40] <G0SUB> _ion: is it a german company?
[02:40] <_ion> g0sub: Yes.
[02:41] <_ion> pygi: I'll try to build and upload j's 0.6.2 package to tonio's repo today.
[02:41] <G0SUB> _ion: have you tried Bose?
[02:41] <Pygi> _ion: no, no need for that ;) 
[02:41] <Pygi> we need patches for 0.6.1 to 0.6.2
[02:41] <Pygi> that's all
[02:42] <_ion> You mean diff -Nru the-nm-0.6.{1,2}-tree?
[02:42] <_ion> g0sub: Bose?
[02:42] <G0SUB> _ion: yeah, Bose speakers
[02:43] <_ion> g0sub: Nope, i haven't.
[02:43] <G0SUB> _ion: have you heard about them?
[02:43] <_ion> g0sub: I have heard the name, but i don't know much about them.
[02:43] <Yagisan> w00t. now metacity hangs in unpack
[02:44] <Pygi> _ion: that, and we need to make sure the patches we applied against 0.6.1 are if some needed, make them work if they don't
[02:45] <_ion> pygi: Hm, okay...
[02:45] <Pygi> notice the "hm" :P
[02:46] <azeem> lifeless: I've uploaded the first few plugins now
[02:46] <G0SUB> _ion: http://bose.com/
[02:51] <lifeless> azeem: sweet
[02:57] <maswan> Mithrandir: done.
[03:02] <Mithrandir> maswan: yay, thanks
[03:04] <maswan> Mithrandir: thanks to Znarl too, for fixing me a bigger straw to suck bits through. :)
[03:04] <Mithrandir> maswan: mmm, straws.
[03:14] <bpuccio> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=207098011 The Bose FAQ (it started on usenet I think)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> fabbione, it seems we're getting some similar bugs regarding widscreen lcds for laptops not getting the correct rez with Intel 915?
[03:24] <fabbione> jsgotangco: possible...
[03:25] <fabbione> jsgotangco: ask them for the DEbuggingXAutoconfig thing
[03:25] <jsgotangco> yeah consolidating them as well
[03:26] <giftnudel> fabbione: what do you need exactly
[03:26] <giftnudel> everything on the wiki page?
[03:26] <fabbione> giftnudel: yes
[03:27] <giftnudel> fabbione: good, one nautilus bug to go, then I will do that
[03:29] <giftnudel> oho, ok, I have a 2 installs on my laptop, on just done with dapper, and one old one
[03:30] <giftnudel> with the installation, I get a hda1 mountpoint in /media/, which is on the desktop with the label "/", this is rather confusing
[03:31] <giftnudel> (I thought it was my root system, while it was the other installed system)
[03:31] <giftnudel> now my question: is this rather a installer bug, a desktop bug or something else?
[03:44] <j^> seb128 have you seen the problem with xv overlays beeing hidden by a gray square? the video only shows up after using something like alt-tab
[03:44] <seb128> no
[03:44] <j^> since i see it in gtk apps it might be some gtk issue
[03:45] <seb128> I doubt of it
[03:45] <seb128> do you have a bug number?
[03:45] <j^> i.e. i have a simple pygtk based player using gst
[03:45] <j^> that has that problem
[03:46] <j^> did not file a bug so far
[03:46] <j^> possibly i am just missing to call some repaint function,
[03:58] <Thingi> is anyone having trouble burning flight 6 on os x?
[04:04] <giftnudel> fabbione, jsgotangco: bug 37596 with all information regarding the i915 laptop
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37596 in xorg "Flight 6: Wrong resolution with live cd (i915, 1400x1050)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37596
[04:04] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: what does sudo ddcprobe on the live cd say?
[04:05] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: before I do that, any other commands/files to recover (need to reboot)
[04:05] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: depends on what that gives you back. :-P
[04:06] <giftnudel> hehe
[04:06] <giftnudel> ok, I will boot my other pc
[04:09] <giftnudel> the cd needs way to much time to boot ...
[04:14] <Mithrandir> I know.
[04:15] <Mithrandir> it helps if you have plenty of memory though
[04:16] <ogra> many widescreen displays report the wrong size (i cant use 1280x800 on any of my laptops here with the new liveCD)
[04:17] <jsgotangco> yeah i'm collecting them they seem to be all i915
[04:17] <ogra> nope, i have one with ati and one nvidia based one 
[04:17] <jsgotangco> ohh
[04:17] <ogra> both fell back to ask the resolution in breezy and now simply go to 1024x786
[04:18] <jsgotangco> seems prevalent among wxga displays
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <Mithrandir> I wonder if it'd helped if we used the newer edid/ddc vesa calls
[04:19] <ogra> what bothers me is that we had the resolution question in the old CD, and the new one has no possibility to set a widescreen res at all ...
[04:19] <ogra> if we could have widescreen vesa modes and preseed from this, we could have them in the gfxboot menu ...
[04:20] <ogra> probably something to look at for dapper+1
[04:20] <Mithrandir> get me a few of the machines with problematic chipsets and I might be able to fix it.
[04:20] <ogra> s/vesa/framebuffer/
[04:20] <ogra> you wont get more out of dccprobe than the display reports :)
[04:21] <ogra> both i have here dont report it right ... it will need either manual override or a new form of probing ...
[04:22] <Chipzz> ogra: yea, grub was totally fucked up on my widescreen laptop
[04:22] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: what was the command you wanted?
[04:22] <Chipzz> ogra: actually, I think it is *necessary* for dapper
[04:22] <ogra> btw, for both the dexconf configuration on install falls back to ask for the resolution, i wonder how daniels solved to find out that it doesnt report it right
[04:22] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: sudo ddcprobe.  From the console, not in X.
[04:23] <Chipzz> ogra: grub did *not work at all* on my widescreen laptop, had to boot with livecd and fix
[04:23] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: which lines do you need
[04:23] <ogra> Chipzz, i fear its a bit to late to add such a feature in dapper, i guess it will require intrusive changes to dexconf ...
[04:24] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: highest resolution is 1280x1024, edidfail
[04:24] <ogra> Chipzz, a normal grub should just use textmode (80x24)... which shoult work everywhere 
[04:24] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: edidfail is kinda bad.
[04:24] <Chipzz> ogra: everyone installing dapper on a laptop with widescreen may have that problem... do you want to risk fucked up bootloaders for all these people who install dapper?
[04:24] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: all of it, preferably.  Redirect it to a file and upload it to pastebin.com or something.
[04:24] <giftnudel> ok, I'll do that
[04:24] <ogra> Chipzz, grub is fine on all my machines here ...
[04:24] <Chipzz> ogra: I couldn't even boot windows...
[04:25] <ogra> usplash looks a bit stretched though
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: grub is in text mode.
[04:25] <Chipzz> well local problem then I guess
[04:25] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: text mode is the default? hrrmm
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: yes, unless you upgraded in the short time span when we tried the gfx stuff in which case you still have it.
[04:26] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: ah then that will have been the problem...
[04:27] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: http://pastebin.com/634209
[04:29] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: it's probably the "cut out the best mode because that often doesn't really work".
[04:30] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: the fun part is, that doing a sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just enter on each step does give 1280x1024
[04:30] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: that's basically what the live cd does, though
[04:31] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: well, xresprobe shows 1400x1050
[04:38] <j^> pam_keyring would be nice to have... it depends on pam 0.99 though(http://www.hekanetworks.com/index.php/publisher/articleview/frmArticleID/25/staticId/31/)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ciao guys goodnight
[05:40] <siretart> is there a trick with rsync iso images?
[05:40] <siretart> my rsync gets always stuck on the last few bytes
[05:42] <ogra> siretart, works for me 
[05:43] <ogra> (i use a script for rsyncing http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh )
[05:46] <siretart> ogra: for me, rsync gets always stuck at about 90% :(
[05:46] <ogra> strange
[05:46] <ogra> which options do you use ? 
[05:47] <siretart> rsync --partial --progress  --size-only --stats  cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/releases/dapper/flight-6/dapper-live-i386.iso .
[05:47] <ogra> hmm 
[05:47] <ogra> did you try archive mode ? ( -a )
[05:49] <siretart> hm.. cdimage.ubuntu.com now resets my connection :( - I assume it just hates me now
[05:50] <ogra> or you have an rsync zombie somewhere 
[05:50] <ogra> c.u.c only accepts max two connections from one IP 
[05:51] <siretart> that could be it. I killed some rsync connections
[05:51] <siretart> well, have to leave anyway now. will try again on monday
[05:51] <siretart> cu
[05:51] <ogra> bye
[06:25] <zul> heylo
[06:26] <infinity> Kamion: pong.  I assume it'a sbout the builddmaster deciding all the build-slaves were offline?... Drunk, but fixing nonetheless.
[06:31] <Kamion> infinity: right ...
[06:31] <Kamion> happy drunkenness :)
[06:33] <infinity> Kamion: Fixed, cheers (in more ways than one).
[07:06] <Chipzz> ok, I know this isn't a support channel, but does anyone know what is up with firefox? It renders characters with a small width too small, like i and l (http://nighty.safehex.be/fle.png)
[07:06] <Chipzz> anyone else seeing this?
[07:07] <slomo_> that's a known problem and not only in firefox... but i don't have a bug number at hand ;)
[07:07] <Chipzz> it started after fontconfig pulled in the extra set of fonts...
[07:07] <slomo_> Chipzz: bug #34178
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34178 in pango1.0 libpango1.0-0 "Pango kerning is bad" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34178
[07:08] <gouchi> Hi
[07:09] <gouchi> is there a reason why Ubuntu didn't have iteractive boot ? (pressing I at boot time)
[07:09] <Chipzz> probably cause no-one has come around to implementing it yet?
[07:10] <gouchi> ah ok, because it will be good feature
[07:10] <Chipzz> and most likely because ubuntu is debian-based and debian doesn't have it either ;)
[07:10] <gouchi> yep ;-)
[07:10] <Chipzz> is there any reason to have it appart from "I want it"? ;)
[07:11] <Chipzz> afaik that's a rh specific feature, too :)
[07:11] <gouchi> I didn't want, it was a friend who is using Ubuntu request it
[07:11] <gouchi> Chipzz : gentoo has, mandriva too IIRC
[07:12] <Chipzz> what would be nicer is to have usplash being able to accept input at all ;P
[07:12] <gouchi> yep
[07:12] <Chipzz> like the passphrase for the key to mount a partition
[07:18] <infinity> Chipzz: Usplash can handle input fine, if you know what you're doing.
[07:19] <Chipzz> infinity: hrrm I should rephrase: allow a nice input box or sth ;)
[07:19] <infinity> (It won't echo it back, but who wants a passphrase on their screen anyway?)
[07:19] <Chipzz> are there actually other use cases for input in usplash?
[07:20] <infinity> Yeah, hitting <enter> to eject the CD on reboot in the livefs. ;)
[07:20] <infinity> (This is where we first started looking at "hey, can the thing accept input?" a few days ago.
[07:20] <infinity> )
[07:20] <Chipzz> yea, but you don't need an input box or anything for that ;)
[07:21] <Chipzz> you can just echo "Press enter to eject cd-rom" and read an enter ;)
[07:21] <infinity> You don't NEED an input box for passphrases either, I suspect.
[07:21] <Chipzz> no not /need/, but it would be nice, since you're actually typing more than one character
[07:21] <infinity> Same argument, "Type your passphrase for foo:", read, check, echo response, carry on.
[07:22] <Chipzz> uhu, except if you want stars to appear instead of your pasphrase
[07:22] <infinity> Proper password entry (despite current trends in GUIs) shouldn't echo anything anyway, IMO.
[07:22] <Chipzz> that's a matter of taste I guess :)
[07:22] <infinity> It's not terribly helpful to security to announce to everyine that your password is exactly N characters long.
[07:22] <infinity> eevryone, too.
[07:23] <infinity> Or whatever.  Drinking and typing don't mix.
[07:23] <Chipzz> gdm does it too ;)
[07:23] <infinity> Yes, hence my reference to "GUI applications"
[07:23] <giftnudel> infinity: you can reboot the lifecd with enter
[07:23] <giftnudel> but it doesn't show
[07:23] <infinity> You won't see "Password: *****" in many CLI apps, and you won't see it in usplash, unless my job is threatened over it.
[07:24] <giftnudel> see bug 37602
[07:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37602 in initscripts "Flight 6: Live CD doesn't reboot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37602
[07:24] <infinity> giftnudel: Yes, this is being fixed in the next week, based on evidence gathered in the last few days. :)
[07:24] <giftnudel> ok
[07:24] <giftnudel> anyway, have to go
[07:39] <infinity> jdong: Dude, register with nickserv, I can't send you private messages.  Tsk.
[07:40] <infinity> jdong: Err, wait, it's me who's not logged in.  Feh.
[07:58] <inflate> hello, somebody know how I can 'remaster' (k)ubuntu install CD? I want to add/remove some packages from CD to fill my needs, any help?
[08:01] <lionelp> inflate: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo may help you
[08:01] <ploum> lionelp, arf... I was looking for it !
[08:01] <ploum> (nice name ;-) )
[08:01] <lionelp> ploum: :-)
[08:03] <inflate> lionelp: I've tried it, for some reason, it cannot install kubuntu-desktop package
[08:03] <inflate> in the modified image
[08:03] <inflate> every thing is installed except the main thing :(
[08:08] <inflate> there is no other way?
[08:25] <sladen_> infinity: crypted swap/root requires a password and usplash is in the initramfs so is already running by then
[09:21] <nyu> hi
[09:21] <nyu> what is the equivalent of incoming.debian.org in ubuntu?
[09:21] <ploum> nyu, there is not AFAIK
[09:22] <ploum> because repository is updated as soon as the package is build
[09:22] <ploum> unlike debian where the repository is updated once a day
[09:22] <nyu> ah
[09:22] <ploum> (I might be wrong but it's how I understand things)
[09:23] <crimsun> nyu: we upload to upload.ubuntu.com, but there's no public-facing view for it.
[09:23] <nyu> but, the packages stay there for a while?
[09:23] <crimsun> at most 6 minutes.
[09:23] <nyu> a recently closed bug refers to an upload that isn't in ftp.ubuntu.com yet
[09:23] <nyu> #37011
[09:24] <nyu> or maybe i miss-understood it
[09:25] <lionelp> nyu: it is said that it will be uploaded after Flight 6 released
[09:25] <lionelp> and flight 6 as been released few hours ago
[09:26] <nyu> uhm yes, i got the notification mail during the last hours too :)
[09:26] <lionelp> so maybe it has not been released yet
[09:26] <lionelp> s/released/uploaded/
[09:27] <nyu> ah
[09:27] <nyu> so what does the post with a changelog entry mean?
[09:28] <crimsun> it means it's being uploaded
[09:28] <crimsun> and in this case, it _has_ been uploaded.
[09:28] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ apt-cache madison langpack-locales
[09:28] <crimsun> langpack-locales |     2.3.13 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[09:29] <nyu> aah, ftp.ubuntu.com is not the master site? :)
[09:30] <nyu> uhm curious.  there's source but no .deb
[09:32] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/181349
[09:32] <nyu> ah, you do source-only uploads and then buildds pick it?
[09:32] <crimsun> yes.
[09:33] <nyu> i see
[09:34] <Amaranth> how else would you do it?
[09:34] <crimsun> in Debian, binary packages are uploaded.
[09:35] <Amaranth> wha?
[09:37] <nyu> Amaranth: source-only uploads are forbidden, even
[09:38] <Amaranth> uh
[09:38] <Amaranth> april fools?
[09:38] <nyu> no
[09:39] <crimsun> Amaranth: take a look at incoming.debian.org
[09:40] <Amaranth> what do you need a buildd for then?
[09:40] <nyu> Amaranth: for the other arches
[09:40] <nyu> normaly uploads just contain binaries for one arch
[09:40] <Amaranth> ok so you upload source + the binary for your arch
[09:40] <Amaranth> that seems...fragile
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> complicated, too
[09:41] <nyu> I don't like it either, but there are some advantages
[09:42] <bddebian> nyu: When did you come to the "Dark Side"? :-)
[09:44] <nyu> bddebian: I didn't, it's just a temporary visit ;)
[09:44] <nyu> I'm contributing a pair of minor fixes
[09:46] <Kamion> crimsun: bit longer than 6 minutes, but yeah
[09:46] <Kamion> our archive cycle is an hour at the moment; if you upload just as the publisher run is starting, it'll take about an hour and 20 minutes to be visible
[09:46] <nyu> hi Kamion 
[09:47] <Kamion> Amaranth: the reason for it is that it forces developers to actually build it on at least one architecture - evidence from Ubuntu suggests that if you don't do that, developers will happily upload crap that doesn't build ...
[09:47] <Kamion> nyu: hi
[09:47] <Amaranth> Kamion: hehe, good point
[09:47] <Kamion> nyu: the buildds were down for a while earlier; they're probably still catching up
[09:48] <nyu> Kamion: ah fine.  I could check with the source already, so no prob
[09:48] <Kamion> oh, but it was only uploaded at 19:40 anyway
[09:48] <Kamion> ftp.ubuntu.com is the master (well, the master mirror; there's a hidden real master) although we normally call it archive.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <bddebian> nyu: Ah :-)
[10:02] <nyu> bddebian: one of them is done, it seems.  now i'm just waiting for Kamion to upload localechooser ;)
[10:03] <Kamion> oh, yeah, I have some localechooser stuff queued up ...
[10:07] <mgalvin> is there a way in lauchpad to determine how many bugs where closed during a given timeframe?
[10:09] <mgalvin> i though it would be nice, since bug guts are flying all over the place, to include those numbers in the next release overview to provide an example of how much effort is *really* going into polishing dapper
[10:09] <nyu> Kamion: :)
[10:15] <Kamion> nyu: righto, fix on its way (will need a debian-installer upload before it takes effect, though; that'll be before Flight CD 7 at the latest)
[10:17] <nyu> Kamion: nice, thanks!
[10:17] <nyu> flight cd 7 == dapper 6.07 ?
[10:18] <pitti> nyu: no, dapper will be 6.06 (the final release)
[10:18] <nyu> ah.. so, 7.00 ?
[10:18] <pitti> nyu: the flight CDs are intermediate and (semi)regular testing versions for the final dapper version
[10:18] <nyu> ahm
[10:19] <pitti> nyu: no, flight 7 is something like 6.06 alpha7
[10:19] <nyu> ah i see
[10:20] <Kamion> ("Flight" is the collective noun for drakes (whether dragons or ducks) ...)
[10:20] <nyu> heh
[10:20] <nyu> funny
[10:21] <Kamion> urgh, localechooser's totally changed in trunk, that'll be fun to merge after dapper
[10:21] <Kamion> oh well, will worry about that later
[10:23] <Mithrandir> Kamion: again?  Urg. :-(
[10:26] <Kamion> Mithrandir: well, this time at least it's a simplification
[10:27] <Mithrandir> that might fuck us, though.  Given that we make it a fair bit more complicated.
[10:29] <Kamion> nah, languagelist simplification
[10:29] <Kamion> I think we can deal
[10:29] <Kamion> (watching, not visiting ...)
[10:29] <Mithrandir> oh, that'd be very nice, yes
[10:29] <pitti> Kamion: soccer/football/whatever?
[10:30] <Mithrandir> pitti: political soap opera
[10:51] <G0SUB> on what basis does the update-manager decide if a restart is required or not?
[10:51] <pitti> G0SUB: it doesn't. package maintainer scripts have to request this
[10:52] <G0SUB> pitti: hmm, how?
[10:52] <_ion> A postinst script may run /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required
[10:52] <G0SUB> is there anyway to know which package is requesting the reboot?
[10:55] <G0SUB> btw, the Flight6 page says that the notifications and tooltips now have drop-shadows ... I am on dapper but I don't see those
[11:10] <SteveA> anyone interested in looking into a problem getting vnc on dapper to talk to a mac mini?
[11:21] <pajama> Hi, I'm trying to install Dapper Flight 6 booting with PXE... but it fails with an error while copying files: "base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-install"
[11:22] <pajama> it looks like it's the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-19-386
[11:23] <pajama> I have mounted the ISO to be served from Apache... and in the Apache logs I'm getting a 404 for "/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/" 
[11:23] <pajama> the installer is looking for that directory in the ISO, but it is not there
[11:24] <pajama> has anybody had any luck installing Dapper F6 using PXE??
[11:25] <pajama> sorry, I've just read the Topic.... sorry..... I'm going to #ubuntu