| Burgwork | trappist, how you doing docudo? | 12:08 |
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| trappist | saying ./start-docudo.py | 12:08 |
| Burgwork | trappist, *doing with | 12:09 |
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| Madpilot | cool, Flight6 is out | 04:31 |
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| Madpilot | So, should I inflict something April 1st-ish on the wiki's front page? :P | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: not so much | 06:42 |
| Burgundavia | but a discrete link might be funny | 06:42 |
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| highvoltage | salut! | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | salut highvoltage | 07:34 |
| highvoltage | :) | 07:35 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: where can i fing the oficial getting started docs again? | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: which one? the desktop guide? | 07:36 |
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| robotgeek | howdy jsgotangco | 07:38 |
| jsgotangco | hola | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | recovering from flu | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | :/ | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | back later, got a Flight6 LiveCD burned now... | 07:39 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: ah, no good | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: erm, I'm not sure. last night i saw some references to an official Ubuntu getting started guide, which is aparently very, very good. and I'd just like to take a look to see what I'm missing for the edubuntu getting started guide | 07:39 |
| robotgeek | recovering is good though :) | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: doc.ubuntu.com | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, hi there | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | ahh tux magazine still chose mandriva | 07:43 |
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| jsgotangco | "I will also be working closely with Ubuntu, another one of the coolest distributions around. Together we'll bring Linux to the desktops!" | 07:46 |
| Madpilot | Discuss: While XChat is a POS, XChat-Gnome is equally a POS, for opposite reasons... (only half-kidding...) | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: got a link? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | must be an april fools prank | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, planet debian | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | (Linus Torvalds) | 07:48 |
| Madpilot | Anyway, Flight6 LiveCD works, but the usual LiveCD startup sequence has gone odd | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | it does? | 07:48 |
| === jsgotangco about to burn flight 6 now | ||
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: no, the mandriva one | 07:49 |
| robotgeek | i downloaded flight 5 today. <sigh> | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, its Tux Magazine's latest issue | 07:50 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: you know the standard LiveCD start - choose language, choose locale, etc? It didn't happen with this Flight6 liveCD... | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | we got a dismal 1 on mutlimedia | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | is this the tux distro shootout? | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | hmm interesting.. | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, yeah | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | I am not surprised then went with mandriva. They have a hateon for gnome | 07:51 |
| jsgotangco | yes it is very much a KDE lovin' zine | 07:51 |
| Burgundavia | brb | 07:51 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm, that is better | 07:53 |
| Madpilot | ? | 07:53 |
| Burgundavia | I was getting a bouncing when I switched channels | 07:53 |
| Burgundavia | when I switched channels, the text would bounce up and down | 07:54 |
| Madpilot | fun | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, maybe the live cd installer will work on this flight | 07:55 |
| poningru | jsgotangco: oh man I was hoping it wasnt an april fools joke | 07:57 |
| poningru | :( | 07:57 |
| poningru | I shouldnt have commented on it | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | but it was timestamped a few minutes before april fools | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | I like ubuntuforums.org | 07:57 |
| poningru | yeah thats why I was like hmm | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | typepad is not free no? | 07:57 |
| Madpilot | the purple is... interesting... :P | 07:58 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: what are you referring to? | 07:58 |
| poningru | there is a trial period | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | the supposed linus torvalds post in planet debian | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | hmm, i had the default to kubuntu theme, i missed all the ugly colors ") | 07:58 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 07:58 |
| poningru | http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/2006/04/account_created.html | 07:59 |
| poningru | yeah now I wished I hadnt commented on it | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | there are now 2 trackbacks lol | 08:00 |
| Burgundavia | ok, this is good, /. is linking to http://www.cuteoverload.com/ | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | lets see whats on digg | 08:01 |
| Madpilot | URL soon to be changed to cuteslashdotted.com :P | 08:01 |
| poningru | the nubuntu article | 08:01 |
| poningru | god I seem to be falling for everything :( | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | even the colors | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | it got dugg | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1,_2006 | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | nice one on ubuntu pastbin | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:04 |
| highvoltage | poningru: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/izilla.shtml?cpg=28H | 08:04 |
| poningru | hehe who owns that? | 08:04 |
| poningru | seveas? | 08:04 |
| poningru | ubuntu pastebin I mean | 08:04 |
| poningru | rofl I know right that one is pretty funny | 08:05 |
| poningru | the best is the wireless extension cords | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 08:05 |
| poningru | tesla is spinning in his grave | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | who stated the ponies thing? | 08:05 |
| poningru | no clue | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | i know jdub has been saying it for years but hmmm | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | must be related to the toon that my daughter loves | 08:06 |
| poningru | rofl | 08:08 |
| poningru | they toon with ponies now yech | 08:08 |
| poningru | have* | 08:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah its for girls | 08:09 |
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| highvoltage | ( NOT! ) | 08:10 |
| poningru | lol | 08:11 |
| poningru | it was all ' Transformer: Beast wars' for highvoltage | 08:12 |
| Madpilot | paste.ubuntu-nl.org has suffered a ROT13 attack, I think... :P | 08:12 |
| robotgeek | lol | 08:14 |
| poningru | who owns that? | 08:15 |
| robotgeek | seveas | 08:15 |
| poningru | canonical or someone else? | 08:15 |
| poningru | ah ok | 08:15 |
| poningru | guessed correctly the first time | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz i must have been really sick i just placed my glass of ice tea inside my microwave and almost started it | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | poningru, ok so linus is now a DD and wants to work on ubuntu, he'll be a member first hah | 08:20 |
| highvoltage | he could always sneek in improvements through the kernel, though | 08:20 |
| === highvoltage imagines a kernel module that turns Ubuntu blue | ||
| poningru | rofl | 08:20 |
| Madpilot | He was rude about Gnome, let's deny him membership! :D | 08:20 |
| poningru | konq would be happy | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, what happened to his supposed contribution to edubuntu? | 08:21 |
| poningru | he did what now? | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: he wouldn't put a license on it :( | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | gee | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: we can't distribute anything without a license | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: ogra pested him quite a bit, but he didn't get back to us | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | he just gave us the code and said "use it", but didn't attach a license | 08:22 |
| poningru | he lives in the US right? | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 08:22 |
| poningru | then its full copyright and all rights reserved | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | beaverton oregon | 08:22 |
| === highvoltage doesn't know | ||
| poningru | huh did not know that | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | poningru, that's the assumption when you're in the US? | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: who gave you code? | 08:24 |
| poningru | jsgotangco: yes | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: any country that has signed the berne convention on copyrights | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 08:24 |
| poningru | Burgundavia: not true the tripps does allow certain leaveway | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | computer software is artistic? | 08:25 |
| Madpilot | in the broadest sense, sure | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | anything is artistic | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | pretty much | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | minor edits to something are not artisitic and thus probably don;t fall under copyright | 08:26 |
| Madpilot | Dog, XChat-Gnome made the sound-alerts thing a seperate plugin, rather than just a basic option... have I mentioned how much I dislike this app? :P | 08:27 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: Linus Torvalds | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: ugh, that is ridiculous | 08:28 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: it's a back-end tool to track the ammount of time a user is logged in to the system, you can also limit the ammount of time a user may be logged in | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | very cool | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | Linus wrote it? | 08:28 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: Linus wrote it to stop his kids fighting over who could use the computer | 08:28 |
| highvoltage | yep. | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | rofl | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | but he attached no copyright to it | 08:29 |
| highvoltage | ogra started working on integrating it with the student control panel front-end in edubuntu, but we can't include it until we have that license :/ | 08:29 |
| poningru | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-Related_aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights#The_requirements_of_TRIPs | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | very cool | 08:29 |
| poningru | btw | 08:29 |
| poningru | oh wow you got to that a lot faster than me | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: http://userful.com/products/pre-book | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: no license on that either, but it IS open source. I will fix that next week | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: by definition, it can't be open source if it doesn't have a license | 08:32 |
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| Burgundavia | sadly it is written in openacs | 08:33 |
| poningru | Burgundavia: do you know of a good linux distro that is aimed at library systems? | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: I sell one | 08:33 |
| poningru | 0.o | 08:33 |
| === Burgundavia works for Userful | ||
| highvoltage | :) | 08:34 |
| poningru | link? | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | userful.com/library-ds | 08:34 |
| Madpilot | <ahem> In the interests of, you know, full disclosure and such... :P | 08:34 |
| poningru | yeah there right now | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: which library? | 08:35 |
| poningru | tampa | 08:35 |
| poningru | err | 08:35 |
| poningru | hillsborough public library system | 08:35 |
| poningru | http://www.thpl.org/ | 08:35 |
| poningru | http://www.hcplc.org/ | 08:36 |
| poningru | hcplc is kinda like a cooperative of many library systems | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, let's put a "for kids use so they won't fight over the computer" license then | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | mom and dad approved | 08:36 |
| poningru | rofl | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | not OSI | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | wow, my blog readership jumped from 11 to 21 for some reason! | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: oh joy, florida. What a nightmare of incest and political crap | 08:37 |
| poningru | indeed | 08:37 |
| poningru | err only the latter | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | give them to me anytime | 08:37 |
| poningru | we dont look to kindly to the former | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | our company has basically been getting the run around from florida libraries | 08:37 |
| poningru | too* | 08:37 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: that doesn't sound gpl compatible, though :) | 08:37 |
| poningru | Burgundavia: hmm really? | 08:37 |
| poningru | let me see what I can do | 08:38 |
| poningru | ... | 08:38 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: where's your blog? | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: do you work for a library? | 08:38 |
| poningru | my sister is involved with them a little bit | 08:38 |
| poningru | naah | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, multiverse? hehe | 08:38 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: http://robotgeek.org/blog | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: florida is not my territory, so I wouldn't see a dime | 08:38 |
| poningru | :( | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | I'd rather sell to hicks in OK and Kansas | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, must because of EasyUbuntu | 08:38 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, subscribers. hits is okay. | 08:39 |
| poningru | robotgeek: easyubuntu is on linux.com iirc | 08:39 |
| poningru | or was it newsforge | 08:39 |
| poningru | something like that | 08:39 |
| Burgundavia | the former | 08:39 |
| robotgeek | weird. well, i just hope some one is not leeching :P | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, you're already a member right? why not get aggregated in planet? | 08:41 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i mailed jeff about it, havent heard back. i should remail and remind | 08:41 |
| poningru | Burgundavia: jeez these flash apps are crazy beautifull/well thought out | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: flash apps? | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, nahh, he'll add them all in one sitting | 08:42 |
| poningru | err presentations | 08:42 |
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| Burgundavia | poningru: got a funny email about that the other day | 08:42 |
| poningru | arr? | 08:42 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, maybe yes. | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: basically boiled down to "I watched those flash apps and they wasted my time. Do you have something better?" | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 08:43 |
| poningru | rofl | 08:43 |
| poningru | yes here's your 2mins back using a white hole | 08:43 |
| poningru | would you like some matter with that too? | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | nah, I suckered her into a demo with your truly, this time with java | 08:44 |
| === Burgundavia enjoys being a sales drone sometimes | ||
| poningru | I wished I could do stuff like that | 08:45 |
| === poningru sucks at sales pitches | ||
| poningru | my boss on the other hand... | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | the stuff I am learning at Userful has been great for my Ubuntu work | 08:45 |
| poningru | dude how much would that stuff cost for a library? | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: some ;) | 08:46 |
| poningru | hehe /me looks around for price quotes | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, you seem to enjoy it though | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | more than breadbox, less than a space trip | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: don't bother | 08:47 |
| poningru | hehe nm | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | we hide it | 08:47 |
| poningru | yeah understandable | 08:47 |
| poningru | its a service industry it seems | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | by the time I have told you the price, hopefully I will already have you in my "tender" embrace | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | :D | 08:48 |
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| Madpilot | you mean your salesdrone pseudopods? | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: sshhh! | 08:48 |
| poningru | rofl | 08:48 |
| Madpilot | Oh, sorry - I forgot Rule #1: You don't talk about the tentacles. | 08:49 |
| Madpilot | :P | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | in all seriousness, library software ain't cheap | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | our product isn't bad, for what you get | 08:50 |
| poningru | see the thing is our library only has donated stuff and they just use the win license already on it (semi-legal) | 08:50 |
| === trappist desices to start writing library software | ||
| trappist | *decides | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | most of what you need, edubuntu already does | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | bolt on Sabayon and pessulus and enjoy | 08:51 |
| poningru | yeah I was looking at that | 08:51 |
| poningru | although dont know what those latter two are | 08:51 |
| === poningru googles | ||
| Madpilot | trappist: please, write a decent catalog-control app. The one I have to use at work sucks dead donkey schlong | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | I am working with Vuntz to get pessulus to the point of being useful for public computers | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: bug the koha people | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | then convince GVPL to migrate | 08:52 |
| poningru | oh yeah | 08:52 |
| poningru | is that what ubuntu calls 'lock down agent' or something? | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 08:52 |
| poningru | err lockdown editor | 08:52 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: tellico? | 08:52 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: oh, you gnome ppl | 08:52 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek: the library catalog thing we have to use is called Millenium; the front-end is actually a giant Java app... | 08:53 |
| poningru | yeah that is what I was going to take to my library system | 08:53 |
| poningru | edubuntu + lockdown editor | 08:53 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: hmm, okay! | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | the one piece you will not beat Userful on is the Multiseat stuff | 08:54 |
| poningru | true | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | the in-X multiseat stuff sucks, tbh | 08:56 |
| poningru | but we have bunch of old hardware running win 95 and usually an ok new server | 08:56 |
| poningru | that is per library btw | 08:56 |
| poningru | the 'server' is used to keep track of many things including book checkout | 08:57 |
| poningru | and communication with the mainframe downtown | 08:57 |
| poningru | I should learn their system better before trying to figure out a software plan | 08:57 |
| poningru | err software attack plan | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | figure out what their biggest needs and pains are | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | and then figure out how edubuntu can solve them | 08:58 |
| poningru | yeah | 08:58 |
| poningru | I should volunteer at a library this summer just to find out what kind of system they use | 08:59 |
| poningru | s/system/backend systems | 08:59 |
| poningru | robotgeek: rofl I love the advice you give at the end | 09:00 |
| poningru | of your pro keyboard blog post | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | poningru: :) | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | okay, sent off mail to jeff (from @ubuntu.com) address | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 09:17 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: gmail allows for nice masking :) | 09:19 |
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| Burgundavia | can I get opinions on the text of /Website/Desktop ? | 09:34 |
| poningru | at your employers site or yours? | 09:38 |
| highvoltage | hehe, me sees what the pony stuff is about on /. | 09:38 |
| poningru | you do? | 09:38 |
| poningru | I still have no idea | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | no pony for you then | 09:40 |
| highvoltage | poningru: http://www.slashdot.org | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | poningru: on the wiki | 09:40 |
| poningru | highvoltage: still dont get it :( | 09:44 |
| poningru | bah whatever | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | nyahahah | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | i love weekends | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/angelina_jolie.htm | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | crap. Epip just crashed, taking my almost complete iso with it | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | ewee | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | how do I rsync again? | 09:50 |
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| Madpilot | Anyone know if xubuntu ISOs got created for Flight6? | 10:23 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot: I don't think so | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | ah well | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | I don't think xubuntu is building yet | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | ya, nothing yet | 10:25 |
| poningru | arr? | 10:30 |
| Madpilot | hmm? | 10:31 |
| poningru | the cd package | 10:31 |
| poningru | thing | 10:31 |
| poningru | xubuntu | 10:32 |
| Madpilot | ISOs for it? | 10:33 |
| poningru | yeah | 10:37 |
| Madpilot | night all | 10:52 |
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| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage?action=diff&rev2=102&rev1=101 | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | where's your sense of humour | 11:19 |
| mdke | I'm English | 11:20 |
| jsgotangco | figures | 11:21 |
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| mdke | what the hell am I doing wrong | 11:21 |
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| LaserJock | What should be the capitalization for application names? | 07:07 |
| crimsun | e.g.? | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | Pbuilder vs. pbuilder in titles and at the beginning of a sentence | 07:10 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | imo anything that foollows a full stop is capitalised | 07:10 |
| crimsun | Ah, I wouldn't use it that way. I would use "pbuilder" later in the sentence, because it shouldn't be "Pbuilder." | 07:11 |
| crimsun | I normally check the man page. | 07:11 |
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| crimsun | e.g., To execute pbuilder, do such and such. | 07:12 |
| crimsun | instead of: | 07:12 |
| crimsun | pbuilder can be executed by doing such and such. | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | but for instance I have a section titled "Using Pbuilder", should that be "Using pbuilder" | 07:13 |
| crimsun | Consistency is key. Since the man page for pbuilder uses lowercase, lowercase should be used there. | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | even if the rest of the title is capitalized? | 07:15 |
| crimsun | I would, yes. | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ok | 07:17 |
| crimsun | Note that you can skirt the issue by using: "Using Personal builder (pbuilder)" | 07:17 |
| crimsun | http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder.html | 07:17 |
| crimsun | However, "Pbuilder" is incorrect. | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | hmm, so the pbuilder section on http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html should be changed | 07:18 |
| crimsun | yes. | 07:18 |
| crimsun | Additionally, prepositions should not be capitalised. | 07:18 |
| crimsun | "Building with Personal builder (pbuilder)" | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | arggh, now I have to figure out what a prepostion is ;-) | 07:20 |
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| mdke | if anyone has any views on the yelp frontpage rearrangements ideas, can they post on the list? | 10:13 |
| mdke | http://donscorgie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot-Help-Topics-with-title.png | 10:14 |
| mdke | especially mpt__ :) | 10:14 |
| mgalvin | maybe server guide before the packaging guide? so it reads... desktop, server, packaging... seems like a better flow to me | 10:16 |
| mgalvin | imho | 10:16 |
| mdke | yes, good point. Dunno if that's possible though, it looks alphabetical | 10:16 |
| mgalvin | ah | 10:17 |
| mdke | but the main thing is swapping the ubuntu and non-ubuntu sections, and what the text should be for the bottom section | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | I could chang the name of the PG to the Ubuntu Super Dupa' Packaging Guide ;-) | 10:23 |
| mdke | lol | 10:23 |
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