[12:08] trappist, how you doing docudo? [12:08] saying ./start-docudo.py [12:09] trappist, *doing with === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-181-41.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4207620.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:31] cool, Flight6 is out === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] So, should I inflict something April 1st-ish on the wiki's front page? :P [06:42] Madpilot: not so much [06:42] but a discrete link might be funny === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-197.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.198] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@203-166-246-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:33] salut! [07:34] salut highvoltage [07:35] :) [07:36] Burgundavia: where can i fing the oficial getting started docs again? [07:36] highvoltage: which one? the desktop guide? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:38] howdy jsgotangco [07:39] hola [07:39] recovering from flu [07:39] :/ [07:39] back later, got a Flight6 LiveCD burned now... [07:39] jsgotangco: ah, no good [07:39] Burgundavia: erm, I'm not sure. last night i saw some references to an official Ubuntu getting started guide, which is aparently very, very good. and I'd just like to take a look to see what I'm missing for the edubuntu getting started guide [07:39] recovering is good though :) [07:39] hi jsgotangco [07:39] highvoltage: doc.ubuntu.com [07:39] highvoltage, hi there [07:43] ahh tux magazine still chose mandriva === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:46] "I will also be working closely with Ubuntu, another one of the coolest distributions around. Together we'll bring Linux to the desktops!" [07:47] Discuss: While XChat is a POS, XChat-Gnome is equally a POS, for opposite reasons... (only half-kidding...) [07:47] jsgotangco: got a link? [07:47] must be an april fools prank [07:47] Burgundavia, planet debian [07:48] (Linus Torvalds) [07:48] Anyway, Flight6 LiveCD works, but the usual LiveCD startup sequence has gone odd [07:48] it does? === jsgotangco about to burn flight 6 now [07:49] jsgotangco: no, the mandriva one [07:49] i downloaded flight 5 today. [07:49] ahh [07:50] Burgundavia, its Tux Magazine's latest issue [07:50] jsgotangco: you know the standard LiveCD start - choose language, choose locale, etc? It didn't happen with this Flight6 liveCD... [07:50] we got a dismal 1 on mutlimedia [07:50] heh [07:50] is this the tux distro shootout? [07:50] hmm interesting.. [07:50] Burgundavia, yeah [07:51] I am not surprised then went with mandriva. They have a hateon for gnome [07:51] yes it is very much a KDE lovin' zine [07:51] brb === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:53] hmm, that is better [07:53] ? [07:53] I was getting a bouncing when I switched channels [07:54] when I switched channels, the text would bounce up and down [07:54] fun [07:55] hmm, maybe the live cd installer will work on this flight [07:57] jsgotangco: oh man I was hoping it wasnt an april fools joke [07:57] :( [07:57] I shouldnt have commented on it [07:57] lol [07:57] but it was timestamped a few minutes before april fools [07:57] heh [07:57] I like ubuntuforums.org [07:57] yeah thats why I was like hmm [07:57] typepad is not free no? [07:58] the purple is... interesting... :P [07:58] poningru: what are you referring to? [07:58] there is a trial period [07:58] the supposed linus torvalds post in planet debian [07:58] heh [07:58] hmm, i had the default to kubuntu theme, i missed all the ugly colors ") [07:58] ah [07:59] http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/2006/04/account_created.html [08:00] yeah now I wished I hadnt commented on it [08:00] there are now 2 trackbacks lol [08:01] ok, this is good, /. is linking to http://www.cuteoverload.com/ [08:01] lets see whats on digg [08:01] URL soon to be changed to cuteslashdotted.com :P [08:01] the nubuntu article [08:01] god I seem to be falling for everything :( [08:02] hehehe [08:02] even the colors [08:03] it got dugg [08:03] hehe [08:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1,_2006 [08:04] nice one on ubuntu pastbin [08:04] heh [08:04] poningru: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/izilla.shtml?cpg=28H [08:04] hehe who owns that? [08:04] seveas? [08:04] ubuntu pastebin I mean [08:05] rofl I know right that one is pretty funny [08:05] the best is the wireless extension cords [08:05] yeah [08:05] haha [08:05] tesla is spinning in his grave [08:05] who stated the ponies thing? [08:05] no clue [08:06] i know jdub has been saying it for years but hmmm [08:06] must be related to the toon that my daughter loves [08:08] rofl [08:08] they toon with ponies now yech [08:08] have* [08:09] yeah its for girls === highvoltage watched "My little pony" when he was little [08:10] ( NOT! ) [08:11] lol [08:12] it was all ' Transformer: Beast wars' for highvoltage [08:12] paste.ubuntu-nl.org has suffered a ROT13 attack, I think... :P [08:14] lol [08:15] who owns that? [08:15] seveas [08:15] canonical or someone else? [08:15] ah ok [08:15] guessed correctly the first time [08:17] jeezz i must have been really sick i just placed my glass of ice tea inside my microwave and almost started it [08:20] poningru, ok so linus is now a DD and wants to work on ubuntu, he'll be a member first hah [08:20] he could always sneek in improvements through the kernel, though === highvoltage imagines a kernel module that turns Ubuntu blue [08:20] rofl [08:20] He was rude about Gnome, let's deny him membership! :D [08:20] konq would be happy [08:21] highvoltage, what happened to his supposed contribution to edubuntu? [08:21] he did what now? [08:21] jsgotangco: he wouldn't put a license on it :( [08:21] gee [08:21] jsgotangco: we can't distribute anything without a license [08:21] yes [08:21] jsgotangco: ogra pested him quite a bit, but he didn't get back to us [08:22] he just gave us the code and said "use it", but didn't attach a license [08:22] he lives in the US right? [08:22] yes [08:22] then its full copyright and all rights reserved [08:22] beaverton oregon === highvoltage doesn't know [08:22] huh did not know that [08:24] poningru, that's the assumption when you're in the US? [08:24] highvoltage: who gave you code? [08:24] jsgotangco: yes [08:24] jsgotangco: any country that has signed the berne convention on copyrights [08:24] ahh [08:24] Burgundavia: not true the tripps does allow certain leaveway [08:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works [08:25] computer software is artistic? [08:25] in the broadest sense, sure [08:25] anything is artistic [08:25] pretty much [08:26] minor edits to something are not artisitic and thus probably don;t fall under copyright [08:27] Dog, XChat-Gnome made the sound-alerts thing a seperate plugin, rather than just a basic option... have I mentioned how much I dislike this app? :P [08:27] Burgundavia: Linus Torvalds [08:28] Madpilot: ugh, that is ridiculous [08:28] Burgundavia: it's a back-end tool to track the ammount of time a user is logged in to the system, you can also limit the ammount of time a user may be logged in [08:28] very cool [08:28] Linus wrote it? [08:28] Burgundavia: Linus wrote it to stop his kids fighting over who could use the computer [08:28] yep. [08:28] rofl [08:29] but he attached no copyright to it [08:29] ogra started working on integrating it with the student control panel front-end in edubuntu, but we can't include it until we have that license :/ [08:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-Related_aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights#The_requirements_of_TRIPs [08:29] very cool [08:29] btw [08:32] oh wow you got to that a lot faster than me [08:32] highvoltage: http://userful.com/products/pre-book [08:32] highvoltage: no license on that either, but it IS open source. I will fix that next week [08:32] Burgundavia: by definition, it can't be open source if it doesn't have a license === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-197.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host123-174.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@haas.workdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:33] sadly it is written in openacs [08:33] Burgundavia: do you know of a good linux distro that is aimed at library systems? [08:33] poningru: I sell one [08:33] 0.o === Burgundavia works for Userful [08:34] :) [08:34] link? [08:34] userful.com/library-ds [08:34] In the interests of, you know, full disclosure and such... :P [08:34] yeah there right now [08:35] poningru: which library? [08:35] tampa [08:35] err [08:35] hillsborough public library system [08:35] http://www.thpl.org/ [08:36] http://www.hcplc.org/ [08:36] hcplc is kinda like a cooperative of many library systems [08:36] highvoltage, let's put a "for kids use so they won't fight over the computer" license then [08:36] mom and dad approved [08:36] rofl [08:36] not OSI [08:36] wow, my blog readership jumped from 11 to 21 for some reason! [08:37] poningru: oh joy, florida. What a nightmare of incest and political crap [08:37] indeed [08:37] err only the latter [08:37] give them to me anytime [08:37] we dont look to kindly to the former [08:37] our company has basically been getting the run around from florida libraries [08:37] too* [08:37] jsgotangco: that doesn't sound gpl compatible, though :) [08:37] Burgundavia: hmm really? [08:38] let me see what I can do [08:38] ... [08:38] robotgeek: where's your blog? [08:38] poningru: do you work for a library? [08:38] my sister is involved with them a little bit [08:38] naah [08:38] highvoltage, multiverse? hehe [08:38] highvoltage: http://robotgeek.org/blog [08:38] poningru: florida is not my territory, so I wouldn't see a dime [08:38] :( [08:38] I'd rather sell to hicks in OK and Kansas [08:38] robotgeek, must because of EasyUbuntu [08:39] jsgotangco: hmm, subscribers. hits is okay. [08:39] robotgeek: easyubuntu is on linux.com iirc [08:39] or was it newsforge [08:39] something like that [08:39] the former [08:40] weird. well, i just hope some one is not leeching :P [08:41] robotgeek, you're already a member right? why not get aggregated in planet? [08:41] jsgotangco: i mailed jeff about it, havent heard back. i should remail and remind [08:42] Burgundavia: jeez these flash apps are crazy beautifull/well thought out [08:42] poningru: flash apps? [08:42] robotgeek, nahh, he'll add them all in one sitting [08:42] err presentations === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:42] poningru: got a funny email about that the other day [08:42] arr? [08:43] jsgotangco: hmm, maybe yes. [08:43] poningru: basically boiled down to "I watched those flash apps and they wasted my time. Do you have something better?" [08:43] lol [08:43] rofl [08:43] yes here's your 2mins back using a white hole [08:43] would you like some matter with that too? [08:44] nah, I suckered her into a demo with your truly, this time with java === Burgundavia enjoys being a sales drone sometimes [08:45] I wished I could do stuff like that === poningru sucks at sales pitches [08:45] my boss on the other hand... [08:45] the stuff I am learning at Userful has been great for my Ubuntu work [08:46] dude how much would that stuff cost for a library? [08:46] poningru: some ;) [08:47] hehe /me looks around for price quotes [08:47] Burgundavia, you seem to enjoy it though [08:47] more than breadbox, less than a space trip [08:47] poningru: don't bother [08:47] hehe nm [08:47] we hide it [08:47] yeah understandable [08:47] its a service industry it seems [08:48] by the time I have told you the price, hopefully I will already have you in my "tender" embrace [08:48] :D === poningru runs as fast as he can [08:48] you mean your salesdrone pseudopods? [08:48] Madpilot: sshhh! [08:48] rofl [08:49] Oh, sorry - I forgot Rule #1: You don't talk about the tentacles. [08:49] :P [08:49] in all seriousness, library software ain't cheap [08:50] yes [08:50] our product isn't bad, for what you get [08:50] see the thing is our library only has donated stuff and they just use the win license already on it (semi-legal) === trappist desices to start writing library software [08:50] *decides [08:51] most of what you need, edubuntu already does [08:51] bolt on Sabayon and pessulus and enjoy [08:51] yeah I was looking at that [08:51] although dont know what those latter two are === poningru googles [08:51] trappist: please, write a decent catalog-control app. The one I have to use at work sucks dead donkey schlong [08:52] I am working with Vuntz to get pessulus to the point of being useful for public computers [08:52] Madpilot: bug the koha people [08:52] then convince GVPL to migrate [08:52] oh yeah [08:52] is that what ubuntu calls 'lock down agent' or something? [08:52] yep [08:52] err lockdown editor [08:52] Madpilot: tellico? [08:52] Madpilot: oh, you gnome ppl [08:53] robotgeek: the library catalog thing we have to use is called Millenium; the front-end is actually a giant Java app... [08:53] yeah that is what I was going to take to my library system [08:53] edubuntu + lockdown editor [08:53] Madpilot: hmm, okay! [08:54] the one piece you will not beat Userful on is the Multiseat stuff [08:56] true [08:56] the in-X multiseat stuff sucks, tbh [08:56] but we have bunch of old hardware running win 95 and usually an ok new server [08:56] that is per library btw [08:57] the 'server' is used to keep track of many things including book checkout [08:57] and communication with the mainframe downtown [08:57] I should learn their system better before trying to figure out a software plan [08:57] err software attack plan [08:58] yep [08:58] figure out what their biggest needs and pains are [08:58] and then figure out how edubuntu can solve them [08:58] yeah [08:59] I should volunteer at a library this summer just to find out what kind of system they use [08:59] s/system/backend systems [09:00] robotgeek: rofl I love the advice you give at the end [09:00] of your pro keyboard blog post [09:00] poningru: :) [09:13] okay, sent off mail to jeff (from @ubuntu.com) address [09:17] ? [09:19] jsgotangco: gmail allows for nice masking :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:34] can I get opinions on the text of /Website/Desktop ? [09:38] at your employers site or yours? [09:38] hehe, me sees what the pony stuff is about on /. [09:38] you do? [09:39] I still have no idea [09:40] no pony for you then [09:40] poningru: http://www.slashdot.org [09:40] poningru: on the wiki [09:44] highvoltage: still dont get it :( [09:48] bah whatever [09:48] nyahahah [09:48] i love weekends [09:48] http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/angelina_jolie.htm [09:48] crap. Epip just crashed, taking my almost complete iso with it [09:49] ewee [09:50] how do I rsync again? === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] Anyone know if xubuntu ISOs got created for Flight6? === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:24] Madpilot: I don't think so [10:25] ah well [10:25] I don't think xubuntu is building yet [10:25] ya, nothing yet [10:30] arr? [10:31] hmm? [10:31] the cd package [10:31] thing [10:32] xubuntu [10:33] ISOs for it? [10:37] yeah [10:52] night all === mdke shakes his head at madpilot [11:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage?action=diff&rev2=102&rev1=101 [11:19] where's your sense of humour [11:20] I'm English [11:21] figures === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mdke shrugs [11:21] what the hell am I doing wrong === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-197.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-197.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD6F658.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-155-17.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-137-238.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.198] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD444A5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:07] What should be the capitalization for application names? [07:08] e.g.? [07:10] Pbuilder vs. pbuilder in titles and at the beginning of a sentence [07:10] imo anything that foollows a full stop is capitalised [07:11] Ah, I wouldn't use it that way. I would use "pbuilder" later in the sentence, because it shouldn't be "Pbuilder." [07:11] I normally check the man page. === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD67778.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] e.g., To execute pbuilder, do such and such. [07:12] instead of: [07:12] pbuilder can be executed by doing such and such. [07:13] but for instance I have a section titled "Using Pbuilder", should that be "Using pbuilder" [07:14] Consistency is key. Since the man page for pbuilder uses lowercase, lowercase should be used there. [07:15] even if the rest of the title is capitalized? [07:15] I would, yes. [07:17] hmm, ok [07:17] Note that you can skirt the issue by using: "Using Personal builder (pbuilder)" [07:17] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder.html [07:17] However, "Pbuilder" is incorrect. [07:18] hmm, so the pbuilder section on http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html should be changed [07:18] yes. [07:18] Additionally, prepositions should not be capitalised. [07:19] "Building with Personal builder (pbuilder)" [07:20] arggh, now I have to figure out what a prepostion is ;-) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === akulah [n=akulah@86.34.246.232] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-182-55.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-253.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=nomail@toronto-HSE-ppp4208219.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-181-81.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:13] if anyone has any views on the yelp frontpage rearrangements ideas, can they post on the list? [10:14] http://donscorgie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot-Help-Topics-with-title.png [10:14] especially mpt__ :) [10:16] maybe server guide before the packaging guide? so it reads... desktop, server, packaging... seems like a better flow to me [10:16] imho [10:16] yes, good point. Dunno if that's possible though, it looks alphabetical [10:17] ah [10:17] but the main thing is swapping the ubuntu and non-ubuntu sections, and what the text should be for the bottom section [10:23] I could chang the name of the PG to the Ubuntu Super Dupa' Packaging Guide ;-) [10:23] lol === luzi [n=luzi@84-72-86-43.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [i=user@69-87-141-190.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc