[12:08] <Burgwork> trappist, how you doing docudo?
[12:08] <trappist> saying ./start-docudo.py
[12:09] <Burgwork> trappist, *doing with
[04:31] <Madpilot> cool, Flight6 is out
[06:41] <Madpilot> So, should I inflict something April 1st-ish on the wiki's front page? :P
[06:42] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: not so much
[06:42] <Burgundavia> but a discrete link might be funny
[07:33] <highvoltage> salut!
[07:34] <Burgundavia> salut highvoltage
[07:35] <highvoltage> :)
[07:36] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: where can i fing the oficial getting started docs again?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: which one? the desktop guide?
[07:38] <robotgeek> howdy jsgotangco 
[07:39] <jsgotangco> hola
[07:39] <jsgotangco> recovering from flu
[07:39] <jsgotangco> :/
[07:39] <Madpilot> back later, got a Flight6 LiveCD burned now...
[07:39] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: ah, no good
[07:39] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: erm, I'm not sure. last night i saw some references to an official Ubuntu getting started guide, which is aparently very, very good. and I'd just like to take a look to see what I'm missing for the edubuntu getting started guide
[07:39] <robotgeek> recovering is good though :)
[07:39] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[07:39] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: doc.ubuntu.com
[07:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, hi there
[07:43] <jsgotangco> ahh tux magazine still chose mandriva
[07:46] <jsgotangco> "I will also be working closely with Ubuntu, another one of the coolest distributions around. Together we'll bring Linux to the desktops!"
[07:47] <Madpilot> Discuss: While XChat is a POS, XChat-Gnome is equally a POS, for opposite reasons... (only half-kidding...)
[07:47] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: got a link?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> must be an april fools prank
[07:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, planet debian
[07:48] <jsgotangco> (Linus Torvalds)
[07:48] <Madpilot> Anyway, Flight6 LiveCD works, but the usual LiveCD startup sequence has gone odd
[07:48] <jsgotangco> it does?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: no, the mandriva one
[07:49] <robotgeek> i downloaded flight 5 today. <sigh>
[07:49] <jsgotangco> ahh
[07:50] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, its Tux Magazine's latest issue
[07:50] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: you know the standard LiveCD start - choose language, choose locale, etc? It didn't happen with this Flight6 liveCD...
[07:50] <jsgotangco> we got a dismal 1 on mutlimedia
[07:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:50] <Burgundavia> is this the tux distro shootout?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> hmm interesting..
[07:50] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, yeah
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I am not surprised then went with mandriva. They have a hateon for gnome
[07:51] <jsgotangco> yes it is very much a KDE lovin' zine
[07:51] <Burgundavia> brb
[07:53] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is better
[07:53] <Madpilot> ?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> I was getting a bouncing when I switched channels
[07:54] <Burgundavia> when I switched channels, the text would bounce up and down
[07:54] <Madpilot> fun
[07:55] <Burgundavia> hmm, maybe the live cd installer will work on this flight
[07:57] <poningru> jsgotangco: oh man I was hoping it wasnt an april fools joke
[07:57] <poningru> :(
[07:57] <poningru> I shouldnt have commented on it
[07:57] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:57] <jsgotangco> but it was timestamped a few minutes before april fools
[07:57] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:57] <Burgundavia> I like ubuntuforums.org
[07:57] <poningru> yeah thats why I was like hmm
[07:57] <jsgotangco> typepad is not free no?
[07:58] <Madpilot> the purple is... interesting... :P
[07:58] <Burgundavia> poningru: what are you referring to?
[07:58] <poningru> there is a trial period
[07:58] <jsgotangco> the supposed linus torvalds post in planet debian
[07:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:58] <robotgeek> hmm, i had the default to kubuntu theme, i missed all the ugly colors ")
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:59] <poningru> http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/2006/04/account_created.html
[08:00] <poningru> yeah now I wished I hadnt commented on it
[08:00] <jsgotangco> there are now 2 trackbacks lol
[08:01] <Burgundavia> ok, this is good, /. is linking to http://www.cuteoverload.com/
[08:01] <jsgotangco> lets see whats on digg
[08:01] <Madpilot> URL soon to be changed to cuteslashdotted.com :P
[08:01] <poningru> the nubuntu article
[08:01] <poningru> god I seem to be falling for everything :(
[08:02] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[08:02] <jsgotangco> even the colors
[08:03] <jsgotangco> it got dugg
[08:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:04] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1,_2006
[08:04] <jsgotangco> nice one on ubuntu pastbin
[08:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:04] <highvoltage> poningru: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/izilla.shtml?cpg=28H
[08:04] <poningru> hehe who owns that?
[08:04] <poningru> seveas?
[08:04] <poningru> ubuntu pastebin I mean
[08:05] <poningru> rofl I know right that one is pretty funny
[08:05] <poningru> the best is the wireless extension cords
[08:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:05] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:05] <poningru> tesla is spinning in his grave
[08:05] <jsgotangco> who stated the ponies thing?
[08:05] <poningru> no clue
[08:06] <jsgotangco> i know jdub has been saying it for years but hmmm
[08:06] <jsgotangco> must be related to the toon that my daughter loves
[08:08] <poningru> rofl
[08:08] <poningru> they toon with ponies now yech
[08:08] <poningru> have*
[08:09] <jsgotangco> yeah its for girls
[08:10] <highvoltage> ( NOT! )
[08:11] <poningru> lol
[08:12] <poningru> it was all ' Transformer: Beast wars' for highvoltage 
[08:12] <Madpilot> paste.ubuntu-nl.org has suffered a ROT13 attack, I think... :P
[08:14] <robotgeek> lol
[08:15] <poningru> who owns that?
[08:15] <robotgeek> seveas
[08:15] <poningru> canonical or someone else?
[08:15] <poningru> ah ok
[08:15] <poningru> guessed correctly the first time
[08:17] <jsgotangco> jeezz i must have been really sick i just placed my glass of ice tea inside my microwave and almost started it
[08:20] <jsgotangco> poningru, ok so linus is now a DD and wants to work on ubuntu, he'll be a member first hah
[08:20] <highvoltage> he could always sneek in improvements through the kernel, though
[08:20] <poningru> rofl
[08:20] <Madpilot> He was rude about Gnome, let's deny him membership! :D
[08:20] <poningru> konq would be happy
[08:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, what happened to his supposed contribution to edubuntu?
[08:21] <poningru> he did what now?
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: he wouldn't put a license on it :(
[08:21] <jsgotangco> gee
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we can't distribute anything without a license
[08:21] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ogra pested him quite a bit, but he didn't get back to us
[08:22] <highvoltage> he just gave us the code and said "use it", but didn't attach a license
[08:22] <poningru> he lives in the US right?
[08:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:22] <poningru> then its full copyright and all rights reserved
[08:22] <Burgundavia> beaverton oregon
[08:22] <poningru> huh did not know that
[08:24] <jsgotangco> poningru, that's the assumption when you're in the US?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: who gave you code?
[08:24] <poningru> jsgotangco: yes
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: any country that has signed the berne convention on copyrights
[08:24] <jsgotangco> ahh
[08:24] <poningru> Burgundavia: not true the tripps does allow certain leaveway
[08:24] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
[08:25] <jsgotangco> computer software is artistic?
[08:25] <Madpilot> in the broadest sense, sure
[08:25] <Burgundavia> anything is artistic
[08:25] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[08:26] <Burgundavia> minor edits to something are not artisitic and thus probably don;t fall under copyright
[08:27] <Madpilot> Dog, XChat-Gnome made the sound-alerts thing a seperate plugin, rather than just a basic option... have I mentioned how much I dislike this app? :P
[08:27] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: Linus Torvalds
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: ugh, that is ridiculous
[08:28] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: it's a back-end tool to track the ammount of time a user is logged in to the system, you can also limit the ammount of time a user may be logged in
[08:28] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Linus wrote it?
[08:28] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: Linus wrote it to stop his kids fighting over who could use the computer
[08:28] <highvoltage> yep.
[08:28] <Burgundavia> rofl
[08:29] <Burgundavia> but he attached no copyright to it
[08:29] <highvoltage> ogra started working on integrating it with the student control panel front-end in edubuntu, but we can't include it until we have that license :/
[08:29] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-Related_aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights#The_requirements_of_TRIPs
[08:29] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:29] <poningru> btw
[08:32] <poningru> oh wow you got to that a lot faster than me
[08:32] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: http://userful.com/products/pre-book
[08:32] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: no license on that either, but it IS open source. I will fix that next week
[08:32] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: by definition, it can't be open source if it doesn't have a license
[08:33] <Burgundavia> sadly it is written in openacs
[08:33] <poningru> Burgundavia: do you know of a good linux distro that is aimed at library systems?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> poningru: I sell one
[08:33] <poningru> 0.o
[08:34] <highvoltage> :)
[08:34] <poningru> link?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> userful.com/library-ds
 In the interests of, you know, full disclosure and such... :P
[08:34] <poningru> yeah there right now
[08:35] <Burgundavia> poningru: which library?
[08:35] <poningru> tampa
[08:35] <poningru> err
[08:35] <poningru> hillsborough public library system
[08:35] <poningru> http://www.thpl.org/
[08:36] <poningru> http://www.hcplc.org/
[08:36] <poningru> hcplc is kinda like a cooperative of many library systems
[08:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, let's put a "for kids use so they won't fight over the computer"  license then
[08:36] <jsgotangco> mom and dad approved
[08:36] <poningru> rofl
[08:36] <jsgotangco> not OSI
[08:36] <robotgeek> wow, my blog readership jumped from 11 to 21 for some reason!
[08:37] <Burgundavia> poningru: oh joy, florida. What a nightmare of incest and political crap
[08:37] <poningru> indeed
[08:37] <poningru> err only the latter
[08:37] <jsgotangco> give them to me anytime
[08:37] <poningru> we dont look to kindly to the former
[08:37] <Burgundavia> our company has basically been getting the run around from florida libraries
[08:37] <poningru> too*
[08:37] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: that doesn't sound gpl compatible, though :)
[08:37] <poningru> Burgundavia: hmm really?
[08:38] <poningru> let me see what I can do
[08:38] <poningru> ...
[08:38] <highvoltage> robotgeek: where's your blog?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> poningru: do you work for a library?
[08:38] <poningru> my sister is involved with them a little bit
[08:38] <poningru> naah
[08:38] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, multiverse? hehe
[08:38] <robotgeek> highvoltage: http://robotgeek.org/blog
[08:38] <Burgundavia> poningru: florida is not my territory, so I wouldn't see a dime
[08:38] <poningru> :(
[08:38] <Burgundavia> I'd rather sell to hicks in OK and Kansas
[08:38] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, must because of EasyUbuntu
[08:39] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, subscribers. hits is okay. 
[08:39] <poningru> robotgeek: easyubuntu is on linux.com iirc
[08:39] <poningru> or was it newsforge
[08:39] <poningru> something like that
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the former
[08:40] <robotgeek> weird. well, i just hope some one is not leeching :P
[08:41] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, you're already a member right? why not get aggregated in planet?
[08:41] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i mailed jeff about it, havent heard back. i should remail and remind
[08:42] <poningru> Burgundavia: jeez these flash apps are crazy beautifull/well thought out
[08:42] <Burgundavia> poningru: flash apps?
[08:42] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, nahh, he'll add them all in one sitting
[08:42] <poningru> err presentations
[08:42] <Burgundavia> poningru: got a funny email about that the other day
[08:42] <poningru> arr?
[08:43] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, maybe yes. 
[08:43] <Burgundavia> poningru: basically boiled down to "I watched those flash apps and they wasted my time. Do you have something better?"
[08:43] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:43] <poningru> rofl
[08:43] <poningru> yes here's your 2mins back using a white hole
[08:43] <poningru> would you like some matter with that too?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> nah, I suckered her into a demo with your truly, this time with java
[08:45] <poningru> I wished I could do stuff like that
[08:45] <poningru> my boss on the other hand...
[08:45] <Burgundavia> the stuff I am learning at Userful has been great for my Ubuntu work 
[08:46] <poningru> dude how much would that stuff cost for a library?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> poningru: some ;)
[08:47] <poningru> hehe /me looks around for price quotes
[08:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, you seem to enjoy it though
[08:47] <Burgundavia> more than breadbox, less than a space trip
[08:47] <Burgundavia> poningru: don't bother
[08:47] <poningru> hehe nm
[08:47] <Burgundavia> we hide it
[08:47] <poningru> yeah understandable
[08:47] <poningru> its a service industry it seems
[08:48] <Burgundavia> by the time I have told you the price, hopefully I will already have you in my "tender" embrace
[08:48] <Burgundavia> :D
[08:48] <Madpilot> you mean your salesdrone pseudopods?
[08:48] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: sshhh!
[08:48] <poningru> rofl
[08:49] <Madpilot> Oh, sorry - I forgot Rule #1: You don't talk about the tentacles.
[08:49] <Madpilot> :P
[08:49] <Burgundavia> in all seriousness, library software ain't cheap
[08:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:50] <Burgundavia> our product isn't bad, for what you get
[08:50] <poningru> see the thing is our library only has donated stuff and they just use the win license already on it (semi-legal)
[08:50] <trappist> *decides
[08:51] <Burgundavia> most of what you need, edubuntu already does
[08:51] <Burgundavia> bolt on Sabayon and pessulus and enjoy
[08:51] <poningru> yeah I was looking at that
[08:51] <poningru> although dont know what those latter two are
[08:51] <Madpilot> trappist: please, write a decent catalog-control app. The one I have to use at work sucks dead donkey schlong
[08:52] <Burgundavia> I am working with Vuntz to get pessulus to the point of being useful for public computers
[08:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: bug the koha people
[08:52] <Burgundavia> then convince GVPL to migrate
[08:52] <poningru> oh yeah
[08:52] <poningru> is that what ubuntu calls 'lock down agent' or something?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:52] <poningru> err lockdown editor
[08:52] <robotgeek> Madpilot: tellico?
[08:52] <robotgeek> Madpilot: oh, you gnome ppl
[08:53] <Madpilot> robotgeek: the library catalog thing we have to use is called Millenium; the front-end is actually a giant Java app... 
[08:53] <poningru> yeah that is what I was going to take to my library system
[08:53] <poningru> edubuntu + lockdown editor
[08:53] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, okay!
[08:54] <Burgundavia> the one piece you will not beat Userful on is the Multiseat stuff
[08:56] <poningru> true
[08:56] <Burgundavia> the in-X multiseat stuff sucks, tbh
[08:56] <poningru> but we have bunch of old hardware running win 95 and usually an ok new server
[08:56] <poningru> that is per library btw
[08:57] <poningru> the 'server' is used to keep track of many things including book checkout
[08:57] <poningru> and communication with the mainframe downtown
[08:57] <poningru> I should learn their system better before trying to figure out a software plan
[08:57] <poningru> err software attack plan
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:58] <Burgundavia> figure out what their biggest needs and pains are
[08:58] <Burgundavia> and then figure out how edubuntu can solve them
[08:58] <poningru> yeah
[08:59] <poningru> I should volunteer at a library this summer just to find out what kind of system they use
[08:59] <poningru> s/system/backend systems
[09:00] <poningru> robotgeek: rofl I love the advice you give at the end 
[09:00] <poningru> of your pro keyboard blog post
[09:00] <robotgeek> poningru: :)
[09:13] <robotgeek> okay, sent off mail to jeff (from @ubuntu.com) address
[09:17] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:19] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: gmail allows for nice masking :)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> can I get opinions on the text of /Website/Desktop ?
[09:38] <poningru> at your employers site or yours?
[09:38] <highvoltage> hehe, me sees what the pony stuff is about on /.
[09:38] <poningru> you do?
[09:39] <poningru> I still have no idea
[09:40] <jsgotangco> no pony for you then
[09:40] <highvoltage> poningru: http://www.slashdot.org
[09:40] <Burgundavia> poningru: on the wiki
[09:44] <poningru> highvoltage: still dont get it :(
[09:48] <poningru> bah whatever
[09:48] <jsgotangco> nyahahah
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i love weekends
[09:48] <jsgotangco> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/angelina_jolie.htm
[09:48] <Burgundavia> crap. Epip just crashed, taking my almost complete iso with it
[09:49] <jsgotangco> ewee
[09:50] <Burgundavia> how do I rsync again?
[10:23] <Madpilot> Anyone know if xubuntu ISOs got created for Flight6?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I don't think so
[10:25] <Madpilot> ah well
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I don't think xubuntu is building yet
[10:25] <Burgundavia> ya, nothing yet
[10:30] <poningru> arr?
[10:31] <Madpilot> hmm?
[10:31] <poningru> the cd package
[10:31] <poningru> thing
[10:32] <poningru> xubuntu
[10:33] <Madpilot> ISOs for it?
[10:37] <poningru> yeah
[10:52] <Madpilot> night all
[11:18] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage?action=diff&rev2=102&rev1=101
[11:19] <jsgotangco> where's your sense of humour
[11:20] <mdke> I'm English
[11:21] <jsgotangco> figures
[11:21] <mdke> what the hell am I doing wrong
[07:07] <LaserJock> What should be the capitalization for application names?
[07:08] <crimsun> e.g.?
[07:10] <LaserJock> Pbuilder vs. pbuilder in titles and at the beginning of a sentence
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo anything that foollows a full stop is capitalised
[07:11] <crimsun> Ah, I wouldn't use it that way. I would use "pbuilder" later in the sentence, because it shouldn't be "Pbuilder."
[07:11] <crimsun> I normally check the man page.
[07:12] <crimsun> e.g., To execute pbuilder, do such and such.
[07:12] <crimsun> instead of:
[07:12] <crimsun> pbuilder can be executed by doing such and such.
[07:13] <LaserJock> but for instance I have a section titled "Using Pbuilder", should that be "Using pbuilder"
[07:14] <crimsun> Consistency is key. Since the man page for pbuilder uses lowercase, lowercase should be used there.
[07:15] <LaserJock> even if the rest of the title is capitalized?
[07:15] <crimsun> I would, yes.
[07:17] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[07:17] <crimsun> Note that you can skirt the issue by using: "Using Personal builder (pbuilder)"
[07:17] <crimsun> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder.html
[07:17] <crimsun> However, "Pbuilder" is incorrect.
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm, so the pbuilder section on http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html should be changed
[07:18] <crimsun> yes.
[07:18] <crimsun> Additionally, prepositions should not be capitalised.
[07:19] <crimsun> "Building with Personal builder (pbuilder)"
[07:20] <LaserJock> arggh, now I have to figure out what a prepostion is ;-)
[10:13] <mdke> if anyone has any views on the yelp frontpage rearrangements ideas, can they post on the list?
[10:14] <mdke> http://donscorgie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot-Help-Topics-with-title.png
[10:14] <mdke> especially mpt__ :)
[10:16] <mgalvin> maybe server guide before the packaging guide? so it reads... desktop, server, packaging... seems like a better flow to me
[10:16] <mgalvin> imho
[10:16] <mdke> yes, good point. Dunno if that's possible though, it looks alphabetical
[10:17] <mgalvin> ah
[10:17] <mdke> but the main thing is swapping the ubuntu and non-ubuntu sections, and what the text should be for the bottom section
[10:23] <LaserJock> I could chang the name of the PG to the Ubuntu Super Dupa' Packaging Guide ;-)
[10:23] <mdke> lol