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| shawarma | What are the chances of getting a package into universe these days? | 01:05 |
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| crimsun | pretty low | 01:11 |
| crimsun | we're chasing bugs and so forth | 01:11 |
| crimsun | that's not to say there isn't a chance, rather our priorities lie elsewhere | 01:11 |
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| Kyral | will I be kicked out of Ubuntu for changing my Desktop to ArchLinux? | 01:54 |
| truz24 | uh, very interesting: http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/ | 01:54 |
| TheMuso | Kyral: I wouldn't think so. :) | 01:54 |
| TheMuso | Why the change anyway? | 01:55 |
| TheMuso | Just curious. | 01:55 |
| Kyral | Because there is an instability since I reinstalled from Flight 5 | 01:55 |
| Kyral | I wanted to see if it was the distro and NOT my M/B | 01:55 |
| Kyral | RAM passed Memtest86 so.... | 01:55 |
| Kyral | Plus I have heard good things about Arch | 01:56 |
| Erlang | omg... | 01:56 |
| TheMuso | You know you want flight 6. | 01:56 |
| TheMuso | It's calling you | 01:56 |
| Kyral | TheMuso: We shall see how Arch fares | 01:56 |
| Kyral | I'll still run Ubuntu on my Server and Laptop :D | 01:56 |
| truz24 | man, i don't feel like seeing all the April fools news stories tomorrow | 01:56 |
| Kyral | and continue to develop :D | 01:56 |
| truz24 | Kyral, does breezy work fine? | 01:57 |
| Kyral | truz24: I haven't touched Breezy since October :P | 01:57 |
| Kyral | Its good to experiment with other distros anyway | 01:58 |
| Kyral | so you don't become "one dimensional" | 01:58 |
| TheMuso | Kyral: Very true. | 01:58 |
| truz24 | true | 01:58 |
| Kyral | and like I have said, I have heard good things about Pacman | 01:58 |
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| Kyral | though I KNOW I'm gonna do "sudo apt-get install" at least once tonight.... | 01:59 |
| Kyral | by accident :P | 01:59 |
| truz24 | damn, flight 6 came out today | 02:00 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:00 |
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| Kyral | I'm still using Xubuntu and Breezy so don't worry :D | 02:00 |
| Kyral | Ubuntu will always be my "old reliable" :P | 02:00 |
| Kyral | 'cause I know how to operate it :D | 02:01 |
| truz24 | I just wish windows never happened and linux was accepted as the mainstream OS | 02:02 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:02 |
| truz24 | so that we wouldn't have all this software created for windows | 02:02 |
| Kyral | Windows is windows | 02:02 |
| Kyral | The OS in and of itself is not evil | 02:03 |
| Kyral | just horribly insecure | 02:03 |
| truz24 | i don't have a problem with windows | 02:03 |
| Kyral | Microsoft on the other hadn.... | 02:03 |
| truz24 | i have a problem with all the software that is only created for windows | 02:03 |
| TheMuso | I have a problem with Microsoft's business tactics, and Windows insecurity. | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | And how most users run with admin privelages. | 02:08 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:09 |
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| Kyral | I mean if XP locked down the Admin account | 02:09 |
| Kyral | then 90% of its security issues would die | 02:09 |
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| TheMuso | And most 3rd party apps are not multi-user aware which makes things difficult as well. | 02:10 |
| cyberix | Quake3 didn't make it to Dapper Multiverse+ | 02:10 |
| cyberix | ? | 02:10 |
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| Kyral | Erlang | 02:10 |
| Kyral | The Sky Is Blue | 02:10 |
| Kyral | do you believe it :P | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | hahaha | 02:10 |
| Erlang | Kyral: ha! it's pitch black here, liar! | 02:10 |
| Kyral | Erlang: | 02:11 |
| Kyral | I am your Father's Brother's Nephew's Cousin's Former Roommate! | 02:11 |
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| Erlang | -_o even if it was true, I wouldn't care | 02:12 |
| Kyral | damnit never saw SpaceBalls eh? | 02:12 |
| Erlang | a long time ago | 02:12 |
| Erlang | in french | 02:12 |
| Kyral | O_o | 02:12 |
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| Kyral | bddebian!!! | 02:12 |
| bddebian | Heya Kyral | 02:13 |
| Kyral | sup? | 02:13 |
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| kbrooks | has canonical merged with mandriva/ | 02:32 |
| Erlang | kbrooks: I don't know, but, for whatever you read today and tomorrow, check the date... | 02:32 |
| kbrooks | ./: I HATE THE PINK | 02:34 |
| kbrooks | PINK, PINK, PINK. FOR EVERYONE? NO | 02:34 |
| kbrooks | FOR GIRLS? YES | 02:34 |
| kbrooks | FOR BOYS? NO | 02:34 |
| crimsun | um, that's immediately ETOPIC? | 02:35 |
| bddebian | heh | 02:35 |
| crimsun | (sorry, but I'm attempting to chase down bugs, so every flash is incredibly annoying if it's not directly related to some dev work) | 02:36 |
| kbrooks | sts = topic_checker("I HATE THE PINK"); sts # ETOPIC; if (sts == ETOPIC) { exit(1); } | 02:36 |
| kbrooks | :) | 02:36 |
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| bddebian | Go crimsun go.. | 02:36 |
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| hub | so what is the name of dapper+1? | 02:58 |
| yves | dappes | 02:59 |
| spacey | Wifebeater Wombat | 02:59 |
| bddebian | hehe | 02:59 |
| bddebian | gonaditropis | 03:00 |
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| LaserJock | hi tritium | 04:20 |
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| LaserJock | anybody here use VNC? | 04:32 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, how is Gnome's keyboard layout set? | 04:43 |
| Amaranth | System->Preferences->Keyboard | 04:50 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: meaning backend? | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah kinda | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | I'm having problems with the keys being scrambled when I use vnc | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | it works with openbox | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | but Gnome is all messed up | 04:51 |
| crimsun | sounds like an xkb issue | 04:52 |
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| LaserJock | so how would I diagnos such an issue? | 04:53 |
| crimsun | I'm not familiar w/ gnome; ask seb later? | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: you don't use gnome or you don't know the inner workings? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | just curious | 04:56 |
| crimsun | the latter | 04:56 |
| crimsun | my guess is that gnome is failing to set xkb magic | 04:57 |
| crimsun | (which is precisely the opposite of my experience w/ Xfce) | 04:57 |
| tritium | Hi LaserJock. Sorry, stepped away for a bit. | 04:59 |
| ajmitch__ | hi | 05:01 |
| tritium | hello crimsun, ajmitch__ | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch__ | 05:02 |
| whiprush | hi ajmitch__, crimsun, others .... | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | hi whiprush, thanks for the muttrc, btw ;-) | 05:02 |
| whiprush | hey crimsun, I read your wiki entry, so you're really a U professor? | 05:03 |
| whiprush | LaserJock: dude that was like 4 weeks worth of work, heh. | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | whiprush: yeah, I'm still trying to figure it out | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm still not sure if mutt is for me, but it sure seems cool | 05:04 |
| whiprush | it never hurts to have a mutt config handy. | 05:04 |
| whiprush | on a shell someplace or something | 05:05 |
| tritium | hi whiprush | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | well, I got procmail going which was good in any case | 05:06 |
| ajmitch__ | whiprush: you didn't know that crimsun was a professor? :) | 05:06 |
| crimsun | whiprush: yes. | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | I don't know what to do for an address book though | 05:06 |
| whiprush | crimsun: I work at an .edu | 05:07 |
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| LaserJock | Prof. crimsun, MOTU ;-) | 05:07 |
| whiprush | I think that's awesome. | 05:07 |
| crimsun | whiprush: rock | 05:07 |
| whiprush | I wish our faculty were as involved in oss. | 05:07 |
| whiprush | do you give talks and stuff? | 05:07 |
| crimsun | on floss? I wish. | 05:07 |
| whiprush | my dean is very pro-OSS. | 05:07 |
| tritium | whiprush: where are you? | 05:08 |
| whiprush | I wonder what it would take to get you up here to michigan ... | 05:08 |
| whiprush | tritium: Detroit area, Michigan, USA. | 05:08 |
| tritium | Oh, you're at UofM? | 05:08 |
| whiprush | ajmitch__: yeah, I didn't know. | 05:08 |
| whiprush | no, oakland.edu | 05:08 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: you here ? | 05:08 |
| whiprush | about 1 hour north. | 05:08 |
| tritium | Ah, okay. | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Yo | 05:09 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 05:09 |
| whiprush | Most of our faculty have a linux box, but none of them really /get/ OSS. | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm, better than our faculty | 05:10 |
| tritium | Hi bddebian :) | 05:10 |
| whiprush | it's unfortunate, I | 05:10 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: remember yesterday I joked about copping it if I broke my system in the dapper upgrade ? | 05:10 |
| whiprush | MO | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Uh oh | 05:10 |
| truz24 | How can i determine which version of dapper ( flight ) i have currently installed? | 05:10 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: I broke the system all right | 05:10 |
| bddebian | :-( | 05:11 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: *no* kernels boot. old or new | 05:11 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: and none of my boot cd's can find my lvm on raid partitions | 05:11 |
| whiprush | crimsun: out of curiosity, is OSS part of your coursework? | 05:11 |
| Yagisan | w00t :( | 05:11 |
| crimsun | whiprush: yes | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: :-( | 05:12 |
| nictuku | truz24, packages are pushed every day to the repositories, so | 05:12 |
| whiprush | crimsun: man, that's totally awesome. | 05:12 |
| truz24 | So flightX isn't really a vesion, but more of a snapshot? | 05:13 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: error is "PANIC Circular dependency. Exiting." on new kernel | 05:13 |
| nictuku | flights are snapshots | 05:13 |
| truz24 | k | 05:13 |
| nictuku | truz24, from what I know, yes | 05:13 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: or endless segmentation faults on older | 05:13 |
| truz24 | was just curious if there was a file that said "this is flight5" anywhere | 05:13 |
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| LaserJock | whiprush: I collaborated with a Physics prof at Oakland in my undergrad research | 05:13 |
| crimsun | whiprush: we use Hugs98, Eclipse, NachOS, Kdevelop, Minix, Linux, and Ubuntu. | 05:14 |
| whiprush | LaserJock: wow, awesome! | 05:14 |
| whiprush | crimsun: dude, you should come do a talk at our school. | 05:14 |
| crimsun | they walk around with 5.10 live cds, I'm proud to say | 05:14 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: I'm logged in via my firewall now, no X, nothing. At least it still works. | 05:15 |
| bddebian | That sucks man, sorry | 05:16 |
| ajmitch__ | can I ask any MOTUs with spare time to review patches on https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs & upload them? | 05:16 |
| whiprush | crimsun: do you have a faculty page? I want to totally get you to come speak at our U (if you want to that is). | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch__: I can try | 05:16 |
| crimsun | whiprush: not really. | 05:17 |
| ajmitch__ | thanks LaserJock :) | 05:17 |
| ajmitch__ | it helps keep patches coming in if we show interest in contributions | 05:17 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: it's mocking me today. will need to put a burner on the firewall soon | 05:17 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch__: it sure does | 05:17 |
| whiprush | crimsun: If I got you sponsored to come speak on OSS, would you be interested? | 05:17 |
| crimsun | whiprush: (that was in response to the page) I'd love to, but I'm extremely tight on time currently | 05:18 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch__: I might be able to try now | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | go bddebian go! | 05:19 |
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| whiprush | crimsun: We can work something out in the future? I'm 95% sure our department would sponsor an OSS speaker, especially one in academia already. | 05:19 |
| ajmitch__ | bddebian: great! | 05:20 |
| crimsun | whiprush: I'm certainly open to that; e-mail contact is viable. | 05:20 |
| whiprush | crimsun: Will do so... | 05:20 |
| whiprush | crimsun: this made my day, I've been doom and gloom about OSS in schools for months. | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | whiprush: well, I'm certainly trying to change that in the scientific community ;-) | 05:22 |
| crimsun | really? most of the public NC universities are pretty stalwart OSS users | 05:22 |
| crimsun | particularly NCSU, since Red Hat is located right on their campus | 05:22 |
| whiprush | crimsun: we're about 50 feet from Daimler-Chrysler. We teach Java and CAD. That's about it. | 05:23 |
| whiprush | LaserJock: where are you at? | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Oh man, look at all those EASY .desktop files I can knock out.. :-) | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | whiprush: University of Nevada, Reno | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Of course my Gnome is fuXX0red | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | whiprush: Department of Chemistry :-) | 05:24 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: yours too ? gconf2 nver configured itself | 05:24 |
| whiprush | cool. | 05:24 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: before the kernel decided it didn't want to restart | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | it would be fun to have an Ubuntu Academia BOF some time | 05:25 |
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| whiprush | yeah really LaserJock | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | all the profs in my department use macs or windows | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | and most of the data collection is Windows | 05:30 |
| truz24 | So if each flight is a "snapshot", then why do I have to type apt-get dist-upgrade to get some of the newer packages? | 05:30 |
| truz24 | what is the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade? | 05:30 |
| nictuku | is OSS spread in government agencies in the US? any of you work for the government? | 05:31 |
| nictuku | truz24, dist-upgrade is a bit more radical resolving dependencies | 05:31 |
| truz24 | ok, i noticed it was upgraded my kernel and stuff | 05:32 |
| nictuku | see apt-get(8) | 05:32 |
| truz24 | So going from the final flight up to 6.10 will be fine with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade? | 05:33 |
| truz24 | or is a fresh install the best solution? | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | dist-upgrade | 05:33 |
| nictuku | dist-upgrade | 05:34 |
| truz24 | sweet | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | I have never used apt-get upgrade | 05:34 |
| truz24 | I see | 05:34 |
| truz24 | so no need for the two separate commands | 05:34 |
| nictuku | well you still need update | 05:35 |
| nictuku | besides, consider using aptitude instead of apt-get | 05:35 |
| nictuku | but if you want to use aptitude, ALWAYS use aptitude | 05:36 |
| nictuku | and review pending actions, since it removes unused packages | 05:36 |
| nictuku | some aptitude beginners have a lot of trouble with that | 05:36 |
| Yagisan | dist-upgrade will delete .debs to make the upgrade work IIRC | 05:36 |
| truz24 | so you don't keep using more and more disk space for packages? | 05:37 |
| whiprush | the occasional apt-get clean does the trick | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | I think he means it will remove packages to satisfy dependencies | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | or maybe not | 05:38 |
| Yagisan | yes | 05:38 |
| Yagisan | sorry - half here. try to fix my dead box | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | I've never gotten the hang of aptitude. I always get it in an unfixable (at least for me) state fairly quickly | 05:39 |
| truz24 | So if you install flight5 and apt-get dist-upgrade to flight6, and then apt-get clean, you should use the same space on your hard disk as if you installed flight6 fresh? | 05:39 |
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| LaserJock | more or less | 05:40 |
| nictuku | truz24, probably not because packages could grow - or it can install new packages | 05:40 |
| truz24 | So a package grows... wouldn't apt-get dist-upgrade delete the old one? | 05:41 |
| nictuku | it can grow, it does not pile up one over the other | 05:42 |
| whiprush | at worst, you'll maybe have an old config someplace. | 05:42 |
| truz24 | thats not *too* bad :-) | 05:42 |
| whiprush | generally speaking though, it just works. | 05:42 |
| nictuku | truz24, new icons could be added to gnome themes, for example | 05:42 |
| truz24 | yeah, but again, that would require the same space as if you installed flight6 fresh right? | 05:42 |
| whiprush | If you install flight5 right now, and apt-get update and upgrade, you'll get flight6 | 05:43 |
| whiprush | or whatever is current. | 05:43 |
| truz24 | Agreed. | 05:43 |
| whiprush | I've had the same install on my laptop since hoary. | 05:44 |
| whiprush | there's probably a bit of cruft, but generally speaking | 05:44 |
| whiprush | it works. | 05:44 |
| truz24 | The topic we are discussing is if you install flight5, apt-get update & upgrade, does that == fresh install of flight6 | 05:44 |
| truz24 | and it seems that there might be some odd files left behind | 05:44 |
| truz24 | but nothing big | 05:44 |
| whiprush | right | 05:45 |
| truz24 | I assume those files left behind are dynamically generated by some packages, and are not cataloged by the repositories | 05:45 |
| Kyral | okay...dist-upgrade path definately broken | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: do you get EasyChem bug reports? | 05:49 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: no..have there been? | 05:50 |
| truz24 | whiprush, so when you upgraded from hoary to breezy, did you just go into sources.lst and change all instances of hoary to breezy? | 05:50 |
| whiprush | yep. | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yeah, there was a .desktop bug | 05:51 |
| whiprush | truz24: knowing apt and dpkg well help, sometimes there's a bug. | 05:51 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: tell me about it | 05:52 |
| Kyral | i prolly got the email but skipped over it | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: you .desktop file sucks <g> | 05:52 |
| truz24 | well, its a server install, hopefully it will be simple :-) if not i'll learn | 05:52 |
| whiprush | if you're tracking a devel release, then knowing how dpkg works well helps a ton. | 05:52 |
| truz24 | yeah, i'm not gonna take it to the devel versions | 05:52 |
| truz24 | just from hoary to breezy | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: it is bug #36371 | 05:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36371 in easychem ".desktop file is incomplete" [Minor,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36371 | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | truz24: I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now (last time was probably ~ Flight4) 381 packages upgrade | 05:56 |
| truz24 | have you guys ever downgraded with dist-upgrade? | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | I did once or twice. It seemed much harder but it sorta works | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | seemed like a fresh install worked better | 05:58 |
| Yagisan | no, but I've manually downgraded with aptitude | 06:00 |
| Yagisan | downgrades don't seem to be really supported | 06:00 |
| Yagisan | but they usually work | 06:00 |
| truz24 | Are there any implementations of Wakeup on Lan in ubuntu? | 06:01 |
| truz24 | I'm wanting to hibernate a couple of servers when they aren't being used, and have them startup when a lan request is made... | 06:02 |
| Yagisan | truz24: WoL is a bios/netcard rom feature IIRC | 06:02 |
| truz24 | right, but doesn't the OS have to support it as well? | 06:02 |
| Yagisan | truz24: better to just turn powersaving on so the spin down the drives and throttle the cpu | 06:03 |
| truz24 | powersaving can be turned on in the server distro? | 06:03 |
| truz24 | or do you mean at the bios level | 06:03 |
| Yagisan | truz24: I turn it on. actually IIRC it was there by default when I put breezy on | 06:05 |
| Yagisan | wish me luck people. my flight6 iso has downloaded, now to try and fix my box | 06:12 |
| bddebian | Good luck Yagisan | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | go Yagisan go! | 06:12 |
| truz24 | interesting. I just upgraded the server from hoary to breezy, and did apt-get clean, and its using 20 megs less disk space :-) | 06:20 |
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| kelmo_lap | hi siretart | 09:14 |
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| siretart | hey, kelmo_lap, how are you? | 09:27 |
| kelmo_lap | pretty good, its saturday after all :) | 09:28 |
| siretart | :) | 09:28 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=wpasupplicant looks quite cleaned up for now :) | 09:30 |
| kelmo_lap | now that i have had enough time to go over the just released code, i have found some minor shortcomings | 09:30 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, it does indeed | 09:30 |
| siretart | yes? what are they? | 09:30 |
| kelmo_lap | well, the most critical: | 09:31 |
| kelmo_lap | * Remove check for wpa_cli pidfile when executing an action script. This | 09:31 |
| kelmo_lap | check was racy, and not always successful. Sometimes, the device was | 09:31 |
| kelmo_lap | marked as up without allowing the action script a chance to finish. | 09:31 |
| kelmo_lap | this will directly impact the report that was just closed | 09:31 |
| siretart | oh | 09:31 |
| kelmo_lap | bug #287223 | 09:32 |
| kelmo_lap | the guy who wanted a drop in replacement for waproamd | 09:32 |
| kelmo_lap | i am guessing he'll start exploring the action script setup soon | 09:32 |
| kelmo_lap | he might find a small hole in it ; ) | 09:33 |
| kelmo_lap | fixed in svn | 09:33 |
| kelmo_lap | second point i'd like to discuss quickly: | 09:33 |
| kelmo_lap | maybe we should arrange a new debian/experimental upload, after importing all the stuff from current trunk? | 09:33 |
| siretart | yes, I agree | 09:34 |
| kelmo_lap | alot has changed in the last two or so days | 09:34 |
| kelmo_lap | the i will leave you be for a little while ; ) | 09:34 |
| kelmo_lap | then* | 09:34 |
| kelmo_lap | ok, i will prepare the experimental branch | 09:35 |
| kelmo_lap | based on trunk | 09:35 |
| siretart | ok. great | 09:36 |
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| kelmo | siretart: i also have some concerns about how the maintainer scripts handle removing/backing up the conffiles when they are symbolic links, this is crucial in the if-pre-up/if-post-down directories, or else ifupdowns run-parts may execute two instances of it | 10:17 |
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| Toadstool | hi here | 11:03 |
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| enyc | apparently I have to come ehre if I need to nag people about versions of packages that need updating ;-) | 11:59 |
| enyc | ?whatis #ubuntu-motu ? | 12:00 |
| enyc | aaaaaaaah | 12:01 |
| mhz | enyc: it's the developers maintaining universe packages | 12:01 |
| enyc | Masters of the Universe | 12:01 |
| enyc | ;-) | 12:01 |
| mhz | .) | 12:01 |
| mhz | yeah | 12:01 |
| mhz | M.O.T.U | 12:01 |
| enyc | ;-) | 12:02 |
| enyc | 1 moment.... | 12:02 |
| enyc | just testing debian freedoom deb ;-) | 12:02 |
| enyc | that works | 12:03 |
| enyc | (not tested extensively) | 12:03 |
| enyc | however | 12:03 |
| enyc | This seems silly | 12:03 |
| enyc | Breezy and Dapper have freedoom 0.3 versions... | 12:03 |
| enyc | Sarge and deb/unstable have freedoom 0.4.1 version... | 12:04 |
| enyc | and the sarge freedoom deb (appears) to work fine on breezy | 12:04 |
| enyc | (its arch-independant data) | 12:04 |
| enyc | its unlikely to have any compatibiltiy rpbolems besides potential moved-locations-of-files | 12:05 |
| ogra | enyc, file a bug and assign it to MOTUGames | 12:05 |
| enyc | where/how ? ;-) | 12:05 |
| enyc | malone something? | 12:05 |
| DarkMageZ | enyc: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 12:05 |
| enyc | right.. and launchpad _uses_ malone [?] | 12:06 |
| ogra | malone is a part of launchpad | 12:07 |
| enyc | so nalone is the bugtracker? | 12:08 |
| azeem | enyc: ys | 12:10 |
| azeem | yes, even | 12:10 |
| enyc | ok | 12:11 |
| enyc | got login working.... | 12:11 |
| enyc | searched for bugs (none found) | 12:11 |
| enyc | now writing new bug ;-) | 12:11 |
| enyc | what I cant see is how to do the 'assign' / MOTUgames | 12:12 |
| enyc | maybe that comes after 'add'ing the bug | 12:13 |
| ajmitch__ | yes, it does | 12:13 |
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| enyc | Umm errr... | 12:22 |
| enyc | I can see "Assigned To" readout but not a link to actually add an assignment to the bug | 12:22 |
| ajmitch__ | isn't malone great? | 12:22 |
| ajmitch__ | click on the arrow on that details line | 12:22 |
| enyc | aaaah ;-) | 12:23 |
| enyc | Affects Status Severity Assigned To | 12:24 |
| enyc | freedoom (Ubuntu) Unconfirmed Normal Motu Games Team | 12:24 |
| enyc | ;-) | 12:24 |
| enyc | done ;-) | 12:24 |
| enyc | thanks all ;-) | 12:24 |
| Toadstool | hub: is_computer_on() is a great idea :p | 12:25 |
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| Hobbsee | hi everyone | 12:48 |
| ajmitch__ | hi Hobbsee | 12:50 |
| ajmitch__ | how's it going? | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch__ - well, i made it out of work tonight - they tried to lock me in! | 12:51 |
| ajmitch__ | heh | 12:51 |
| ajmitch__ | they must value your contributions ;) | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | well, my car in - but they forgot to add a padlock to the lock - so it was just unclippable :P | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | they must do... | 12:51 |
| === Hobbsee glares - 11 hours... | ||
| ajmitch__ | 11 hours? | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | till i have to be back in there again | 12:53 |
| ajmitch__ | ah | 12:53 |
| ajmitch__ | you sound like you're not looking forward to it :) | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:53 |
| === Hobbsee will cool off soon enough :P | ||
| === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's foot | ||
| Mithrandir | ouch | 12:57 |
| === Hobbsee pokes Mithrandir | ||
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| Mithrandir | my fiancee did that last night. Accidentially, I may add, but still. It hurts when people do that. | 12:57 |
| === Hobbsee then goes and tickles Mithrandir | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:58 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not very tickly, I'm sorry. | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, one of *those* people | 12:58 |
| Mithrandir | yeah. Shame, isn't it? | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | very | 01:03 |
| === Hobbsee is very ticklish... | ||
| ajmitch__ | heh | 01:03 |
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| === Yagisan finally gets his system booting | ||
| Yagisan | hmm firefox ate my home page. This has been the upgrade from hell | 01:58 |
| Yagisan | no menus, no taskbar, heaps of errors on a console login :( | 01:58 |
| === Yagisan picked a bad time to upgrade | ||
| Yagisan | but on the plus side, everything from universe that was upgraded seems to work | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 02:00 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: oh the system would not boot for 6 hours | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | yuck | 02:00 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: initramfs didn't genrate properly | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 02:00 |
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| Yagisan | Hobbsee: and I gave away all my ubuntu cd's, so had to download and amd64 livecd from my firewall, install a burner, burn it (severral times - damm coasters), and try to resuscitate it. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | eek! | 02:02 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: I have a big box in the middle of my screen. its blank, but the title is question. If I force kill it, the panel restarts and it comes back | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | lol great | 02:03 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: and whatever gconf2 is, it still hasn't configured itself after 15 minutes | 02:04 |
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| === Yagisan is having a bad day :( | ||
| Yagisan | so Hobbsee, hows your day been | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: pretty good, apart from stupid centre management deciding to lock my car in :) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | and mum being sick all last night | 02:47 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: my misses seems to have caught something too. | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 02:48 |
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| Yagisan | Hobbsee: I'm just waiting to see what breaks next now | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | apt? | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: gconf2 and metacity won't configure, they just hang apt. | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | ugh | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: it seems a lot of stuff depends on gconf2 as well | 02:51 |
| Yagisan | :( | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 02:51 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: w00t another problem now :( | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | what's this one? | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | packages hangs on removal | 02:58 |
| === Yagisan is going to get a strong drink, and prepare to sacrifice a chicken to fix the computer | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:03 |
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| Yagisan | wb Hobbsee | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | ty | 03:50 |
| === Hobbsee just saw something interesting, and thought she'd congratulate those involved | ||
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| bradb | Why is it that I have a five hour old email on dapper-changes about yaboot, but I still can't see the new version when I update/dist-upgrade? I got the impression from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildDaemons that the delay should be about an hour, at most. | 04:01 |
| Toadstool | bradb: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/yaboot/+builds <-- build is pending | 04:03 |
| bradb | Ah. I thought dapper-changes were emails about things that have changed in dapper. | 04:03 |
| bradb | But it seems like it's more of a dapper-uploads. | 04:03 |
| Toadstool | well, dapper-changes mail come when the package is uploaded, not when it's built | 04:04 |
| Toadstool | *mails | 04:04 |
| bradb | yeah. so if the build fails, nothing changes in dapper, right? | 04:04 |
| Toadstool | yep | 04:04 |
| Toadstool | except for the source package | 04:04 |
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| bradb | interesting | 04:05 |
| bmonty | doko: ping | 04:08 |
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| bddebian | Heya Gang | 04:36 |
| Yagisan | G'day bddebian | 04:37 |
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| bddebian | Heya Yagisan, any luck? | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: got the system booting again, now trying to clean up the mess from a failed dapper upgrade | 04:40 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: Great | 04:41 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: not really. several packages hang in config stage | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Oh Ugh | 04:44 |
| bddebian | Heya bmonty | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: and as luck would have it, those are needed by most of gnome | 04:44 |
| bmonty | wow, is malone actually aggregating changes to bugs into a single email? | 04:45 |
| Toadstool | bmonty: there's a 5 minutes cache to avoid flooding ubuntu-bugs | 04:47 |
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| bmonty | Toadstool: cool, it is a very welcome change | 04:48 |
| Toadstool | yep :) | 04:48 |
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| truz24 | mmm, how come this is redirecting to the ISO? : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-6/dapper-live-i386.iso.torrent | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11242 the packages that are causing all the trouble | 05:19 |
| bddebian | WTF? | 05:21 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking too | 05:21 |
| bddebian | I assume you have tried apt-get -f install? | 05:21 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: nope. they hang and need a Ctrl+C | 05:22 |
| bddebian | Ugh | 05:22 |
| Yagisan | Do I win a prize ? | 05:24 |
| bddebian | heh, sure :-) | 05:25 |
| Yagisan | bugger it. I'll see if I can downgrade the system | 05:26 |
| truz24 | has anyone noticed a big performance gain going from i386 to amd64 versions on their amd? | 05:29 |
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| Yagisan | truz24: for what workload ? | 05:31 |
| truz24 | any | 05:31 |
| truz24 | Aren't there still a lot of packages that don't have a 64 bit equivalent? | 05:32 |
| Yagisan | truz24: well depending on what you use it for you won't see any improvement | 05:32 |
| Yagisan | truz24: not really. You can run those in an i386 chroot very easily | 05:32 |
| siretart | Yagisan: amd64 has twice as much registers available compared to x86 | 05:33 |
| truz24 | but thats one additional step that the i386 install doesn't need... | 05:33 |
| siretart | truz24: If you are asking question like this, I suspect you are better off with an i386 install | 05:33 |
| truz24 | ok | 05:34 |
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| Yagisan | siretart: I know. It also has a 1 byte overhead on instructions so cache is slightly less effective in 64bit mode, | 05:35 |
| Yagisan | siretart: if he's after something cpu bound it will help, otherwise no, he should go with i386 | 05:36 |
| siretart | Yagisan: 64bit instructions and pointers are twice as big as their 32bit equivalents, so his caches will fill up faster | 05:37 |
| siretart | Yagisan: so even on cpu bound application, there might be a performance loss. | 05:37 |
| Yagisan | siretart: yes, but usually the throughput in 64bit mode overcomes that small loss | 05:39 |
| Yagisan | bbs - hope my box comes back up after this reboot | 05:40 |
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| truz24 | Dapper flight 5 or 6 does not boot on my machine, but 5.10 does... anything new that might cause this? | 06:02 |
| truz24 | flight5 & 6 just hang on the initial ubuntu splash screen | 06:02 |
| truz24 | and doesn't display the "what type of install do you want" text | 06:02 |
| cyberix | slomo_: Are you there? | 06:03 |
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| slomo_ | cyberix: yes | 06:11 |
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| cyberix | slomo_: GNUnet 0.7.0c has some really important fixes for bugs in 0.7.0b | 06:13 |
| cyberix | slomo_: We were wondering, if they are bad enought so 0.7.0c could still make it to Dapper. | 06:13 |
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| slomo_ | cyberix: no idea :) but in any case you have to file a UVF exception... read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html | 06:14 |
| cyberix | slomo_: UVF? | 06:16 |
| cyberix | Ubuntu Version Freeze? | 06:17 |
| crimsun | upstream | 06:17 |
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| paniq | what the hell | 06:34 |
| paniq | www.ubuntustudio.com | 06:34 |
| jdong | paniq, april fools! | 06:34 |
| paniq | yes | 06:34 |
| paniq | obviously | 06:34 |
| paniq | i got fooled | 06:34 |
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| paniq | i wrote the fruityloops guys an angry email! | 06:34 |
| slomo_ | paniq: ubuntustudio is older and real ;) | 06:34 |
| paniq | i called them assholes | 06:34 |
| slomo_ | oh... | 06:34 |
| paniq | oh no :( | 06:34 |
| paniq | i thought its some kind of domain snagging | 06:34 |
| slomo_ | the forward to FL is new | 06:35 |
| slomo_ | dolson: do you know anything about this? :) | 06:35 |
| paniq | ok | 06:37 |
| paniq | another thing | 06:37 |
| paniq | i want to provide LASH to ubuntu | 06:37 |
| paniq | i just installed ubuntu yesterday, so i have no idea how to do it | 06:38 |
| paniq | i already learned how to use checkinstall | 06:38 |
| slomo_ | paniq: what's LASH? | 06:39 |
| truz24 | How can I diagnose a boot up freeze ? | 06:39 |
| paniq | slomo: linux audio session handler | 06:39 |
| paniq | slomo: its basically the new ladcca | 06:39 |
| slomo_ | paniq: cool :) | 06:39 |
| truz24 | When I insert 5.10 it boots up fine... but 6.6 flight 5 and 6 freeze on the "select type of install" screen | 06:40 |
| paniq | dave robillard is working on it, and i am helping to get it around | 06:40 |
| slomo_ | paniq: for packaging look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging | 06:40 |
| paniq | hum | 06:40 |
| paniq | kubuntu? ;) | 06:40 |
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| slomo_ | paniq: look at the pages below :) | 06:44 |
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| paniq | ok | 06:45 |
| paniq | i will deal with this later ;) | 06:45 |
| paniq | hmm | 06:46 |
| paniq | alsa sequencer is not supported by default in ubuntu? | 06:46 |
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| cyberix | slomo_: Is this ok? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnunet/+bug/37611/+index | 06:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37611 in gnunet "UVF Exception 0.7.0b -> 0.7.0c" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 06:58 |
| slomo_ | cyberix: hm no... get the new and the old tarball, get a diffstat from the old to new and a diff of the changelog in there | 07:01 |
| slomo_ | diff -Naur old new | diffstat | 07:02 |
| slomo_ | and diff -Nau old/ChangeLog new/ChangeLog or similar | 07:02 |
| bddebian | What are we supposed to do with bugs that have been upload to REVU? | 07:10 |
| bddebian | I.E. just missing .desktop files? | 07:10 |
| bddebian | Should we "review" them per REVU or just take the fix in Malone and upload? | 07:11 |
| bddebian | dolson: ping? | 07:14 |
| bddebian | Hey, wake up people. :) | 07:15 |
| cyberix | slomo_: Now? | 07:18 |
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| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 07:24 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | I'd think if there is a problem with the package on REVU you could review it,etc. If it isn't on REVU but a debdiff is attached in Malone, I'd use that I guess | 07:25 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: There is a diff on REVU but it's wrong. But it's an easy fix so.. ? | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | I'd say it is up to you then ;-) | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | I'd probably just fix it and upload but also provide a comment on REVU | 07:27 |
| bddebian | Aye, that's what I'm doing now :) | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: you probably just want to make it clear that you already uploaded it so then don't need to update | 07:29 |
| bddebian | Aye | 07:29 |
| G0SUB | is there _any_ way to get a NEW package for Dapper? | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:31 |
| G0SUB | it's a trivial package | 07:31 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock: what's the procedure? | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | Not sure at the moment, dholbach was thinking of doing something similar to UVF exceptions | 07:32 |
| G0SUB | hmm | 07:32 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock: should I put it up on REVU? | 07:35 |
| crimsun | yes | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | why not? It should probably go there regardless | 07:35 |
| G0SUB | yes, but it's important that the package is in Dapper | 07:35 |
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| LaserJock | but after it is reviewed it can be decided whether to put it in Dapper or not | 07:36 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock: ok | 07:37 |
| G0SUB | it's kmfl.sf.net ... a very important Input Method for us | 07:37 |
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| bddebian | :'-( | 07:39 |
| Yagisan | I don't even have working X any more | 07:39 |
| Yagisan | must remember to get gpg key and evoulution mail + accounts | 07:40 |
| Yagisan | flight 6 install ok ? | 07:40 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: agh! what's the issue? | 07:40 |
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| Yagisan | G0SUB: I've been moaning on here for about 24hrs about the dapper upgrade from hell | 07:41 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: oh! this happened to me too when I upgraded ... I thankfully have my /home in a different partition | 07:41 |
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| Yagisan | G0SUB: I have / /boot /usr /opt /home /var and /tmp all different, but on lvm | 07:42 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: I learned today that most rescue disk and cd's can't read lvm :( | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | or at least lvm on md | 07:43 |
| G0SUB | yeah | 07:43 |
| G0SUB | agh! md | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | yes it was a server I screwed | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | and not just any, but my ltsp server | 07:44 |
| Yagisan | w00t | 07:44 |
| Yagisan | the only working system here was the firewall | 07:44 |
| G0SUB | hehe | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | with no kb, monitor, or burner | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: 1st initramfs failed to generate. needed the amd64 dapper live cd to fix that | 07:46 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: then about 15-16 odd packages failed to configure | 07:46 |
| G0SUB | that's sad | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: they were things like dbus, gconf2 etc ie the bits everything else depends on | 07:47 |
| G0SUB | eeks | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: and a downgrade failed | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: because gconf2 was changed and had a hissy fit over which gconf2 owned a file | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: so nothing could downgrade because of tight version dependencys on the f*ck gconf2 | 07:49 |
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| Yagisan | which brings me to my question | 07:49 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: did you try pinning gconf2 to an older version? | 07:49 |
| Yagisan | any reported issues with a flight 6 installed system | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: it would not downgrade | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: and the dapper packages would not install with the breezy version | 07:50 |
| G0SUB | hmm | 07:50 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: I am in Dapper atm ... I don't see any issues as such | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: multi-lingual ? | 07:51 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: multi-lingual ? | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | that's partly why I wanted to upgrade. | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: I need english + CJK | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: I have English + Indic | 07:52 |
| Yagisan | J for me, C, and K for the don't park in my car space notes I find I have to write | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | hehe | 07:52 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: the shop downstars really doesn't get the fact that my car space is for *my* customers, not theirs | 07:54 |
| G0SUB | Yagisan: haha | 07:54 |
| Yagisan | G0SUB: thats what I say when I'm playing with my keys >:) | 07:55 |
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| Yagisan | right, time for me to go. lets see what else goes wrong. I bet my cd's will become coasters next | 07:58 |
| Yagisan | or the burner will die | 07:58 |
| bddebian | What are you folks using for switches to dpkg-buildpackage/debuild these days? | 07:59 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: I just use debuild -S or debuild -S -sa for including .orig.tar.gz | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: -k if I need to sponsor somebody's upload | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: and -v if I'm doing a fakesync ;-) | 08:12 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I was talking about for a binary build but no worries :-) | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | pbuilder all the way :-) | 08:14 |
| bddebian | pfft :-) | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I'm just providing some noise so you don't think you're alone. | 08:15 |
| bddebian | Thanks :-) | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | I don't think I've ever actually used dpkg-buildpackage directly to build a binary | 08:16 |
| inflate | hello, somebody know how I can 'remaster' (k)ubuntu install CD? I want to add/remove some packages from CD to fill my needs, any help? | 08:16 |
| bddebian | inflate: Not me sorry :-( | 08:17 |
| inflate | well, the question is for all, not for you only :) | 08:17 |
| inflate | I know about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo | 08:18 |
| inflate | but it's not working | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | inflate: that question has come up a few times here and I honestly don't know that anybody here will be much help. | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | inflate: You might have better luck on a mailing list perhaps | 08:20 |
| inflate | ok, but another question | 08:20 |
| inflate | how can I build the installer? | 08:21 |
| inflate | I've downloaded it and compiled | 08:21 |
| inflate | but I don't know how to merge it with packages | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | are you talking about debian-installer? | 08:22 |
| inflate | yes | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | so you downloaded the source package? | 08:23 |
| inflate | yes, also compiled them, and I've a small repository which contain packages I need, | 08:24 |
| inflate | but I don't know how to merge installer with repository | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I have no idea. I've never messed around with d-i before | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what you are trying to do | 08:27 |
| inflate | what I wnat exactly is to create a modified version of kubuntu, the default package selection on ubuntu doesn't fill my needs | 08:28 |
| inflate | I need more packages | 08:28 |
| inflate | and I want to remove the 100MB of lang-packs | 08:28 |
| inflate | I tried to use the article mentioned here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo | 08:29 |
| inflate | but it's not working | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | ok, how often do you want to do that? | 08:29 |
| inflate | well, this is what I'm asking about, the article's way isn't working, so I need another way | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | I'd just modify the kubuntu-desktop meta package | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | or provide a kubuntu-inflate-desktop meta package ;-) | 08:32 |
| inflate | :) | 08:32 |
| inflate | really i tried | 08:32 |
| inflate | installer worked normally, and install the base system | 08:32 |
| inflate | and the kernel + usplash too | 08:33 |
| inflate | but it skip kubuntu-desktop package | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | perhaps because it's dependecies were not met | 08:33 |
| bddebian | Hmm, should .ui files changes have a proper "debian patch" or just hack the source? | 08:34 |
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| akulah | I have a question | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | inflate: what I would do (and am thinking of doing this in the future) is create my own -desktop meta package | 08:35 |
| akulah | anybody want to help me? | 08:35 |
| G0SUB | akulah: sure. just ask | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | inflate: and then remove the installed -desktop package and install mine after install | 08:35 |
| bddebian | akulah: Just ask. Don't ask to ask. If we can help you we will :-) | 08:35 |
| inflate | as I told you, i've done this, also I tested it in a chroot environment | 08:36 |
| inflate | all dependencies are there | 08:36 |
| akulah | ok | 08:37 |
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| akulah | I'm a MOTU wanabe | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | inflate: so what happened? | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | akulah: great! | 08:38 |
| akulah | if i've created some packages what I have to upload to revu? | 08:38 |
| G0SUB | akulah: excellent | 08:38 |
| akulah | th binaey package | 08:38 |
| akulah | ? | 08:38 |
| akulah | binary package? | 08:38 |
| inflate | as I told you, installer skip -desktop meta package | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | akulah: no the source package is what you need to upload | 08:38 |
| akulah | aha | 08:38 |
| akulah | ok tnx | 08:38 |
| G0SUB | akulah: the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, the diff.gz | 08:38 |
| inflate | I checked all logs, nothing about non met deps | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | inflate: no, I'm saying don't mess with the installer or the cd, do it after you install with a regular cd | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | akulah: you need your gpg key added to the REVU keyring before you can upload though. Have you seen wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU? | 08:39 |
| akulah | yes | 08:40 |
| akulah | I've added my key | 08:40 |
| inflate | I don't understand, you mean the official cd, or the modified cd? | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | inflate: official cd | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | inflate: I wouldn't make a modified cd is what I'm saying. I wouldn't bother | 08:41 |
| akulah | I have received the confirmation email today | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | akulah: great | 08:41 |
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| inflate | well, thanks for help | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | akulah: then you are set to upload. just use "dput revu <package>_source.changes" | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | inflate: you would have to modify each install cd in the future, which would be a pain | 08:42 |
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| LaserJock | inflate: you should be able to do everything you want with a metapackage | 08:43 |
| inflate | yes I know, but, I like to learn how things happen, and I want to learn from this more than only modifying kubuntu | 08:44 |
| inflate | also, my internet connection is limit | 08:45 |
| inflate | so i dont want to download packages every day | 08:45 |
| inflate | using a modified cd, i do it once | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | you wouldn't have to | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | anyway, if you want the educational experience go for it. | 08:46 |
| inflate | well, it wil continue trying, may be I can discover what is the problem, and also fix the howto in wiki ;) | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that would be great. Seems like a few people have had problems with the wiki page. | 08:47 |
| inflate | gtg, thank you very much LaserJock | 08:50 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not feeling very helpful this morning. Maybe I just need to shut up :/ | 08:53 |
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| bddebian | Damn I feel rusty.. :'-( | 09:16 |
| crimsun | don't worry, there are 9300 other bugs you can unrust with | 09:18 |
| bddebian | Heh, so I've noticed :-) | 09:18 |
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| kimo_ | I am a motu-wannabe :) | 10:31 |
| kimo_ | Any master want to take my hand | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | kimo_: well, we don't do hand holding here ;-) | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | kimo_: but we can certainly help you and get you going in the right direction | 10:36 |
| kimo_ | LaserJock: please do :) | 10:36 |
| kimo_ | I just subscribed on the mailing list | 10:37 |
| kimo_ | I would just like to know if I have to be a developer ? | 10:37 |
| kimo_ | I can read code, but I am not a programmer per se | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | no, I'm not much of a programmer either | 10:38 |
| kimo_ | ok that's relefing | 10:38 |
| kimo_ | great .. I am on the list .. what's the first thing I can do | 10:39 |
| kimo_ | I have read the wiki for about an hour now .. it does seem too complex :) | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | I would take a look at both the Ubuntu Packaging Guide (at doc.ubuntu.com) and the Debian New Maintainer's Guide (at the bottom of www.debian.org/devel/) | 10:40 |
| Kyral | Hey guys :D | 10:40 |
| kimo_ | ok ... afterwards .. like what's the simplest thing I can start to help with | 10:40 |
| Kyral | I may be running ArchLinux on my Desktop | 10:41 |
| Kyral | but I'm still spreading UBuntu lol (Gave out like 10 Shipit CDs at the Clarkson Open House :D) | 10:41 |
| Kyral | oh LJ I saw that bug | 10:42 |
| Kyral | I'll apply the patch as soon as I make a Dapper VM to work in | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | kimo_: I'd say that doing some bug work at this point would be helpful. | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: Arch? only Arch? You sound like me now :( | 10:43 |
| Kyral | huh? | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: I fired up my Ubuntu box for the first time in weeks today | 10:43 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: I still run Xubuntu on my laptop..and my server is powered by Xen Breezy | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: I've been using OSX and Windows almost exclusively | 10:43 |
| Kyral | Just wanted to try something out :D | 10:43 |
| Kyral | can't get complacent now can I? | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | nope | 10:44 |
| Kyral | meh the latest NVidia drivers are causing my system to freeze | 10:45 |
| Kyral | wonder if 7676 will work | 10:45 |
| kimo_ | LaserJock: how do I start on this bug work ? | 10:45 |
| kimo_ | ok .. just noticed last section of maintiners guide is on bug fixing | 10:47 |
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| Kyral | I must say....Arch makes me realize how much Ubuntu autoconfigures (or remember rather lol) | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | there's one thing we need, some kde4 extras, just sowe can say "we have it, you don't" ;) | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | not very useful but so what | 10:53 |
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| kimo_ | Kyral: then why do u enjoy Arch ? | 10:54 |
| Kyral | kimo_: its a new experiance :P | 10:54 |
| Kyral | Different way of doing things | 10:54 |
| kimo_ | ahh .. | 10:54 |
| Kyral | I mean I know Ubuntu and Debian in and out | 10:55 |
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| Kyral | practically | 10:55 |
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| Kyral | why? | 10:55 |
| Kyral | I will still "work" for Ubuntu :P | 10:56 |
| kimo_ | I am an RHCE, pretty confy with redhat, but I am a noob with debian | 10:56 |
| kimo_ | wish I could say I know debian in & out :) | 10:56 |
| kimo_ | but I'm trying | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | kimo_: I moved from Gentoo to Ubuntu | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | kimo_: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay has some good bug fixing info/links | 10:57 |
| kimo_ | LaserJock: ok thnx | 10:58 |
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| kimo_ | why are the motus only 38! | 11:04 |
| kimo_ | is it too difficult, or simply no people are wanting to become motus | 11:04 |
| bddebian | There's only 38 MOTUs? | 11:06 |
| bddebian | That doesn't sound right | 11:07 |
| kimo_ | just read it on the wiki | 11:07 |
| kimo_ | maybe it's outdated | 11:07 |
| bddebian | I suppose it's possible | 11:08 |
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| === bddebian has only counted as like .00001 MOTU for Dapper :'-( | ||
| Mithrandir | bddebian: you still have time to count as more! | 11:10 |
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| bddebian | Mithrandir: I'm uploading away man.. :-) | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | bddebian: good. :-) | 11:14 |
| bddebian | Probably all wrong, but I'm a uploadin' ;-P | 11:15 |
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| LaserJock | kimo_: there are 40 MOTUs listed on launchpad (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev) but I'd say that only half are really "active" at any given time | 11:42 |
| bddebian | Yeah, we can't all be stars all the time like LaserJock ;-) | 11:43 |
| crimsun | or bddebian ;-) | 11:43 |
| bddebian | Heh, I was going to say crimsun but I wasn't sure if you were here.. Bastage :-) | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | lol | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | unfortunately I haven't really figured out a good way to be here 24 hours a day, yet | 11:44 |
| crimsun | it's my masterful idling | 11:44 |
| truz24 | Have you guys heard of 6.6 hanging on the "select type of install" screen? | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | yes, I need to master that. I get so distracted here that I don't get any work done :( | 11:45 |
| truz24 | it works on my laptop, but not on my desktop machine, wondering what i could disable in the bios to let it through | 11:45 |
| truz24 | 5.10 works on the desktop | 11:45 |
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| truz24 | its sitting at this screen: http://www.howtoforge.com/images/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10_/img_1.gif | 11:58 |
| truz24 | but without any of the text, only the ubuntu logo | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, did you restart? | 11:59 |
| truz24 | several times | 12:00 |
| truz24 | the thing that is odd, is that 5.10 install disc works fine | 12:00 |
| truz24 | i guess i could install 5.10 and then upgrade to dapper | 12:00 |
| truz24 | also, the dapper install cd works fine on my laptop | 12:00 |
| truz24 | so its some hardware conflict i assume | 12:00 |
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