=== ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-20-75.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === adn [n=adn@wahe.diwi.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === caravena [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] What are the chances of getting a package into universe these days? [01:11] pretty low [01:11] we're chasing bugs and so forth [01:11] that's not to say there isn't a chance, rather our priorities lie elsewhere === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] will I be kicked out of Ubuntu for changing my Desktop to ArchLinux? [01:54] uh, very interesting: http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/ [01:54] Kyral: I wouldn't think so. :) [01:55] Why the change anyway? [01:55] Just curious. [01:55] Because there is an instability since I reinstalled from Flight 5 [01:55] I wanted to see if it was the distro and NOT my M/B [01:55] RAM passed Memtest86 so.... [01:56] Plus I have heard good things about Arch [01:56] omg... [01:56] You know you want flight 6. [01:56] It's calling you [01:56] TheMuso: We shall see how Arch fares [01:56] I'll still run Ubuntu on my Server and Laptop :D [01:56] man, i don't feel like seeing all the April fools news stories tomorrow [01:56] and continue to develop :D [01:57] Kyral, does breezy work fine? [01:57] truz24: I haven't touched Breezy since October :P [01:58] Its good to experiment with other distros anyway [01:58] so you don't become "one dimensional" [01:58] Kyral: Very true. [01:58] true [01:58] and like I have said, I have heard good things about Pacman === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] though I KNOW I'm gonna do "sudo apt-get install" at least once tonight.... [01:59] by accident :P [02:00] damn, flight 6 came out today [02:00] lol === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] I'm still using Xubuntu and Breezy so don't worry :D [02:00] Ubuntu will always be my "old reliable" :P [02:01] 'cause I know how to operate it :D [02:02] I just wish windows never happened and linux was accepted as the mainstream OS [02:02] lol [02:02] so that we wouldn't have all this software created for windows [02:02] Windows is windows [02:03] The OS in and of itself is not evil [02:03] just horribly insecure [02:03] i don't have a problem with windows [02:03] Microsoft on the other hadn.... [02:03] i have a problem with all the software that is only created for windows [02:08] I have a problem with Microsoft's business tactics, and Windows insecurity. [02:08] And how most users run with admin privelages. [02:09] yah === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] I mean if XP locked down the Admin account [02:09] then 90% of its security issues would die === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe36dd00-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] And most 3rd party apps are not multi-user aware which makes things difficult as well. [02:10] Quake3 didn't make it to Dapper Multiverse+ [02:10] ? === Erlang puts himself in don't-believe-anything-I-read-on-the-net mode. [02:10] Erlang [02:10] The Sky Is Blue [02:10] do you believe it :P [02:10] hahaha [02:10] Kyral: ha! it's pitch black here, liar! [02:11] Erlang: [02:11] I am your Father's Brother's Nephew's Cousin's Former Roommate! === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port163-222.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] -_o even if it was true, I wouldn't care [02:12] damnit never saw SpaceBalls eh? [02:12] a long time ago [02:12] in french [02:12] O_o === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] bddebian!!! [02:13] Heya Kyral [02:13] sup? === elmopot [n=gnu@unaffiliated/elmopot] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] has canonical merged with mandriva/ [02:32] kbrooks: I don't know, but, for whatever you read today and tomorrow, check the date... [02:34] ./: I HATE THE PINK [02:34] PINK, PINK, PINK. FOR EVERYONE? NO [02:34] FOR GIRLS? YES [02:34] FOR BOYS? NO [02:35] um, that's immediately ETOPIC? [02:35] heh [02:36] (sorry, but I'm attempting to chase down bugs, so every flash is incredibly annoying if it's not directly related to some dev work) [02:36] sts = topic_checker("I HATE THE PINK"); sts # ETOPIC; if (sts == ETOPIC) { exit(1); } [02:36] :) === Erlang [i=neumann@toronto-HSE-ppp4000837.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:36] Go crimsun go.. === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-205-203.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:58] so what is the name of dapper+1? [02:59] dappes [02:59] Wifebeater Wombat [02:59] hehe [03:00] gonaditropis === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YokoZar [n=scott@c-24-10-31-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] hi tritium === |Se7h| [n=MUAHAHAH@bl4-81-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] anybody here use VNC? === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0399.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] hmm, how is Gnome's keyboard layout set? [04:50] System->Preferences->Keyboard [04:50] LaserJock: meaning backend? [04:51] crimsun: yeah kinda [04:51] I'm having problems with the keys being scrambled when I use vnc [04:51] it works with openbox [04:51] but Gnome is all messed up [04:52] sounds like an xkb issue === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] so how would I diagnos such an issue? [04:55] I'm not familiar w/ gnome; ask seb later? [04:56] crimsun: you don't use gnome or you don't know the inner workings? [04:56] just curious [04:56] the latter [04:57] my guess is that gnome is failing to set xkb magic [04:57] (which is precisely the opposite of my experience w/ Xfce) [04:59] Hi LaserJock. Sorry, stepped away for a bit. [05:01] hi [05:02] hello crimsun, ajmitch__ [05:02] hi ajmitch__ [05:02] hi ajmitch__, crimsun, others .... [05:02] hi whiprush, thanks for the muttrc, btw ;-) [05:03] hey crimsun, I read your wiki entry, so you're really a U professor? [05:03] LaserJock: dude that was like 4 weeks worth of work, heh. [05:03] whiprush: yeah, I'm still trying to figure it out [05:04] I'm still not sure if mutt is for me, but it sure seems cool [05:04] it never hurts to have a mutt config handy. [05:05] on a shell someplace or something [05:05] hi whiprush [05:06] well, I got procmail going which was good in any case [05:06] whiprush: you didn't know that crimsun was a professor? :) [05:06] whiprush: yes. [05:06] I don't know what to do for an address book though [05:07] crimsun: I work at an .edu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-73-158-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] Prof. crimsun, MOTU ;-) [05:07] I think that's awesome. [05:07] whiprush: rock [05:07] I wish our faculty were as involved in oss. [05:07] do you give talks and stuff? [05:07] on floss? I wish. [05:07] my dean is very pro-OSS. [05:08] whiprush: where are you? [05:08] I wonder what it would take to get you up here to michigan ... [05:08] tritium: Detroit area, Michigan, USA. [05:08] Oh, you're at UofM? [05:08] ajmitch__: yeah, I didn't know. [05:08] no, oakland.edu [05:08] bddebian: you here ? [05:08] about 1 hour north. [05:08] Ah, okay. [05:09] Yo [05:09] Heya tritium [05:09] Most of our faculty have a linux box, but none of them really /get/ OSS. [05:10] hmm, better than our faculty [05:10] Hi bddebian :) [05:10] it's unfortunate, I [05:10] bddebian: remember yesterday I joked about copping it if I broke my system in the dapper upgrade ? [05:10] MO [05:10] Uh oh [05:10] How can i determine which version of dapper ( flight ) i have currently installed? [05:10] bddebian: I broke the system all right [05:11] :-( [05:11] bddebian: *no* kernels boot. old or new [05:11] bddebian: and none of my boot cd's can find my lvm on raid partitions [05:11] crimsun: out of curiosity, is OSS part of your coursework? [05:11] w00t :( [05:12] whiprush: yes [05:12] Yagisan: :-( [05:12] truz24, packages are pushed every day to the repositories, so [05:12] crimsun: man, that's totally awesome. [05:13] So flightX isn't really a vesion, but more of a snapshot? [05:13] bddebian: error is "PANIC Circular dependency. Exiting." on new kernel [05:13] flights are snapshots [05:13] k [05:13] truz24, from what I know, yes [05:13] bddebian: or endless segmentation faults on older [05:13] was just curious if there was a file that said "this is flight5" anywhere === Yagisan hopes the amd64 flight6 live cd will be able to fix the system [05:13] whiprush: I collaborated with a Physics prof at Oakland in my undergrad research [05:14] whiprush: we use Hugs98, Eclipse, NachOS, Kdevelop, Minix, Linux, and Ubuntu. [05:14] LaserJock: wow, awesome! [05:14] crimsun: dude, you should come do a talk at our school. [05:14] they walk around with 5.10 live cds, I'm proud to say [05:15] bddebian: I'm logged in via my firewall now, no X, nothing. At least it still works. [05:16] That sucks man, sorry [05:16] can I ask any MOTUs with spare time to review patches on https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs & upload them? [05:16] crimsun: do you have a faculty page? I want to totally get you to come speak at our U (if you want to that is). [05:16] ajmitch__: I can try [05:17] whiprush: not really. [05:17] thanks LaserJock :) [05:17] it helps keep patches coming in if we show interest in contributions [05:17] bddebian: it's mocking me today. will need to put a burner on the firewall soon [05:17] ajmitch__: it sure does [05:17] crimsun: If I got you sponsored to come speak on OSS, would you be interested? [05:18] whiprush: (that was in response to the page) I'd love to, but I'm extremely tight on time currently === Yagisan must remember not to give away *all* his ubuntu cd's next time [05:18] ajmitch__: I might be able to try now [05:19] go bddebian go! === jtshaw [n=jshaw@155.229.229.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] crimsun: We can work something out in the future? I'm 95% sure our department would sponsor an OSS speaker, especially one in academia already. [05:20] bddebian: great! [05:20] whiprush: I'm certainly open to that; e-mail contact is viable. [05:20] crimsun: Will do so... [05:21] crimsun: this made my day, I've been doom and gloom about OSS in schools for months. [05:22] whiprush: well, I'm certainly trying to change that in the scientific community ;-) [05:22] really? most of the public NC universities are pretty stalwart OSS users [05:22] particularly NCSU, since Red Hat is located right on their campus [05:23] crimsun: we're about 50 feet from Daimler-Chrysler. We teach Java and CAD. That's about it. [05:23] LaserJock: where are you at? [05:23] Oh man, look at all those EASY .desktop files I can knock out.. :-) [05:23] whiprush: University of Nevada, Reno [05:23] Of course my Gnome is fuXX0red [05:24] whiprush: Department of Chemistry :-) [05:24] bddebian: yours too ? gconf2 nver configured itself [05:24] cool. [05:24] bddebian: before the kernel decided it didn't want to restart [05:25] it would be fun to have an Ubuntu Academia BOF some time === Yagisan impatiently waits for flight6 to download [05:25] yeah really LaserJock [05:30] all the profs in my department use macs or windows [05:30] and most of the data collection is Windows [05:30] So if each flight is a "snapshot", then why do I have to type apt-get dist-upgrade to get some of the newer packages? [05:30] what is the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade? [05:31] is OSS spread in government agencies in the US? any of you work for the government? [05:31] truz24, dist-upgrade is a bit more radical resolving dependencies [05:32] ok, i noticed it was upgraded my kernel and stuff [05:32] see apt-get(8) [05:33] So going from the final flight up to 6.10 will be fine with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade? [05:33] or is a fresh install the best solution? [05:33] dist-upgrade [05:34] dist-upgrade [05:34] sweet [05:34] I have never used apt-get upgrade [05:34] I see [05:34] so no need for the two separate commands [05:35] well you still need update [05:35] besides, consider using aptitude instead of apt-get [05:36] but if you want to use aptitude, ALWAYS use aptitude [05:36] and review pending actions, since it removes unused packages [05:36] some aptitude beginners have a lot of trouble with that [05:36] dist-upgrade will delete .debs to make the upgrade work IIRC [05:37] so you don't keep using more and more disk space for packages? [05:38] the occasional apt-get clean does the trick [05:38] I think he means it will remove packages to satisfy dependencies [05:38] or maybe not [05:38] yes [05:38] sorry - half here. try to fix my dead box [05:39] I've never gotten the hang of aptitude. I always get it in an unfixable (at least for me) state fairly quickly [05:39] So if you install flight5 and apt-get dist-upgrade to flight6, and then apt-get clean, you should use the same space on your hard disk as if you installed flight6 fresh? === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] more or less [05:40] truz24, probably not because packages could grow - or it can install new packages [05:41] So a package grows... wouldn't apt-get dist-upgrade delete the old one? [05:42] it can grow, it does not pile up one over the other [05:42] at worst, you'll maybe have an old config someplace. [05:42] thats not *too* bad :-) [05:42] generally speaking though, it just works. [05:42] truz24, new icons could be added to gnome themes, for example [05:42] yeah, but again, that would require the same space as if you installed flight6 fresh right? [05:43] If you install flight5 right now, and apt-get update and upgrade, you'll get flight6 [05:43] or whatever is current. [05:43] Agreed. [05:44] I've had the same install on my laptop since hoary. [05:44] there's probably a bit of cruft, but generally speaking [05:44] it works. [05:44] The topic we are discussing is if you install flight5, apt-get update & upgrade, does that == fresh install of flight6 [05:44] and it seems that there might be some odd files left behind [05:44] but nothing big [05:45] right [05:45] I assume those files left behind are dynamically generated by some packages, and are not cataloged by the repositories [05:46] okay...dist-upgrade path definately broken [05:49] Kyral: do you get EasyChem bug reports? [05:50] LaserJock: no..have there been? [05:50] whiprush, so when you upgraded from hoary to breezy, did you just go into sources.lst and change all instances of hoary to breezy? [05:51] yep. [05:51] Kyral: yeah, there was a .desktop bug [05:51] truz24: knowing apt and dpkg well help, sometimes there's a bug. [05:52] LaserJock: tell me about it [05:52] i prolly got the email but skipped over it [05:52] Kyral: you .desktop file sucks [05:52] well, its a server install, hopefully it will be simple :-) if not i'll learn [05:52] if you're tracking a devel release, then knowing how dpkg works well helps a ton. [05:52] yeah, i'm not gonna take it to the devel versions [05:52] just from hoary to breezy [05:53] Kyral: it is bug #36371 [05:53] Malone bug 36371 in easychem ".desktop file is incomplete" [Minor,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36371 [05:56] truz24: I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now (last time was probably ~ Flight4) 381 packages upgrade [05:57] have you guys ever downgraded with dist-upgrade? [05:58] I did once or twice. It seemed much harder but it sorta works [05:58] seemed like a fresh install worked better [06:00] no, but I've manually downgraded with aptitude [06:00] downgrades don't seem to be really supported [06:00] but they usually work [06:01] Are there any implementations of Wakeup on Lan in ubuntu? [06:02] I'm wanting to hibernate a couple of servers when they aren't being used, and have them startup when a lan request is made... [06:02] truz24: WoL is a bios/netcard rom feature IIRC [06:02] right, but doesn't the OS have to support it as well? [06:03] truz24: better to just turn powersaving on so the spin down the drives and throttle the cpu [06:03] powersaving can be turned on in the server distro? [06:03] or do you mean at the bios level [06:05] truz24: I turn it on. actually IIRC it was there by default when I put breezy on [06:12] wish me luck people. my flight6 iso has downloaded, now to try and fix my box [06:12] Good luck Yagisan [06:12] go Yagisan go! [06:20] interesting. 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[09:28] pretty good, its saturday after all :) [09:28] :) [09:30] kelmo_lap: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=wpasupplicant looks quite cleaned up for now :) [09:30] now that i have had enough time to go over the just released code, i have found some minor shortcomings [09:30] yes, it does indeed [09:30] yes? what are they? [09:31] well, the most critical: [09:31] * Remove check for wpa_cli pidfile when executing an action script. This [09:31] check was racy, and not always successful. Sometimes, the device was [09:31] marked as up without allowing the action script a chance to finish. [09:31] this will directly impact the report that was just closed [09:31] oh [09:32] bug #287223 [09:32] the guy who wanted a drop in replacement for waproamd [09:32] i am guessing he'll start exploring the action script setup soon [09:33] he might find a small hole in it ; ) [09:33] fixed in svn [09:33] second point i'd like to discuss quickly: [09:33] maybe we should arrange a new debian/experimental upload, after importing all the stuff from current trunk? [09:34] yes, I agree [09:34] alot has changed in the last two or so days [09:34] the i will leave you be for a little while ; ) [09:34] then* [09:35] ok, i will prepare the experimental branch [09:35] based on trunk [09:36] ok. great === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] siretart: i also have some concerns about how the maintainer scripts handle removing/backing up the conffiles when they are symbolic links, this is crucial in the if-pre-up/if-post-down directories, or else ifupdowns run-parts may execute two instances of it === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@adt51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457afde7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] hi here === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.27.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc [n=enyc@194.154.174.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] apparently I have to come ehre if I need to nag people about versions of packages that need updating ;-) [12:00] ?whatis #ubuntu-motu ? [12:01] aaaaaaaah [12:01] enyc: it's the developers maintaining universe packages [12:01] Masters of the Universe [12:01] ;-) [12:01] .) [12:01] yeah [12:01] M.O.T.U [12:02] ;-) [12:02] 1 moment.... [12:02] just testing debian freedoom deb ;-) [12:03] that works [12:03] (not tested extensively) [12:03] however [12:03] This seems silly [12:03] Breezy and Dapper have freedoom 0.3 versions... [12:04] Sarge and deb/unstable have freedoom 0.4.1 version... [12:04] and the sarge freedoom deb (appears) to work fine on breezy [12:04] (its arch-independant data) [12:05] its unlikely to have any compatibiltiy rpbolems besides potential moved-locations-of-files [12:05] enyc, file a bug and assign it to MOTUGames [12:05] where/how ? ;-) [12:05] malone something? [12:05] enyc: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [12:06] right.. and launchpad _uses_ malone [?] [12:07] malone is a part of launchpad [12:08] so nalone is the bugtracker? [12:10] enyc: ys [12:10] yes, even [12:11] ok [12:11] got login working.... [12:11] searched for bugs (none found) [12:11] now writing new bug ;-) [12:12] what I cant see is how to do the 'assign' / MOTUgames [12:13] maybe that comes after 'add'ing the bug [12:13] yes, it does === elmopot [n=gnu@unaffiliated/elmopot] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] Umm errr... [12:22] I can see "Assigned To" readout but not a link to actually add an assignment to the bug [12:22] isn't malone great? [12:22] click on the arrow on that details line [12:23] aaaah ;-) [12:24] Affects Status Severity Assigned To [12:24] freedoom (Ubuntu) Unconfirmed Normal Motu Games Team [12:24] ;-) [12:24] done ;-) [12:24] thanks all ;-) [12:25] hub: is_computer_on() is a great idea :p === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] hi everyone [12:50] hi Hobbsee [12:50] how's it going? [12:51] hey ajmitch__ - well, i made it out of work tonight - they tried to lock me in! [12:51] heh [12:51] they must value your contributions ;) [12:51] well, my car in - but they forgot to add a padlock to the lock - so it was just unclippable :P [12:51] they must do... === Hobbsee glares - 11 hours... [12:52] 11 hours? [12:53] till i have to be back in there again [12:53] ah [12:53] you sound like you're not looking forward to it :) [12:53] heh === Hobbsee will cool off soon enough :P === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's foot [12:57] ouch === Hobbsee pokes Mithrandir === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] my fiancee did that last night. Accidentially, I may add, but still. It hurts when people do that. === Hobbsee then goes and tickles Mithrandir [12:58] hehe [12:58] I'm not very tickly, I'm sorry. [12:58] ah yes, one of *those* people [01:02] yeah. Shame, isn't it? [01:03] very === Hobbsee is very ticklish... 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This has been the upgrade from hell [01:58] no menus, no taskbar, heaps of errors on a console login :( === Yagisan picked a bad time to upgrade [01:59] but on the plus side, everything from universe that was upgraded seems to work [02:00] ouch [02:00] Hobbsee: oh the system would not boot for 6 hours [02:00] yuck [02:00] Hobbsee: initramfs didn't genrate properly [02:00] :( === Jobman [n=Jobman@p508E72CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] Hobbsee: and I gave away all my ubuntu cd's, so had to download and amd64 livecd from my firewall, install a burner, burn it (severral times - damm coasters), and try to resuscitate it. [02:02] eek! [02:03] Hobbsee: I have a big box in the middle of my screen. its blank, but the title is question. 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