[01:05] <shawarma> What are the chances of getting a package into universe these days?
[01:11] <crimsun> pretty low
[01:11] <crimsun> we're chasing bugs and so forth
[01:11] <crimsun> that's not to say there isn't a chance, rather our priorities lie elsewhere
[01:54] <Kyral> will I be kicked out of Ubuntu for changing my Desktop to ArchLinux?
[01:54] <truz24> uh, very interesting: http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/
[01:54] <TheMuso> Kyral: I wouldn't think so. :)
[01:55] <TheMuso> Why the change anyway?
[01:55] <TheMuso> Just curious.
[01:55] <Kyral> Because there is an instability since I reinstalled from Flight 5
[01:55] <Kyral> I wanted to see if it was the distro and NOT my M/B
[01:55] <Kyral> RAM passed Memtest86 so....
[01:56] <Kyral> Plus I have heard good things about Arch
[01:56] <Erlang> omg...
[01:56] <TheMuso> You know you want flight 6.
[01:56] <TheMuso> It's calling you
[01:56] <Kyral> TheMuso: We shall see how Arch fares
[01:56] <Kyral> I'll still run Ubuntu on my Server and Laptop :D
[01:56] <truz24> man, i don't feel like seeing all the April fools news stories tomorrow
[01:56] <Kyral> and continue to develop :D
[01:57] <truz24> Kyral, does breezy work fine?
[01:57] <Kyral> truz24: I haven't touched Breezy since October :P
[01:58] <Kyral> Its good to experiment with other distros anyway
[01:58] <Kyral> so you don't become "one dimensional"
[01:58] <TheMuso> Kyral: Very true.
[01:58] <truz24> true
[01:58] <Kyral> and like I have said, I have heard good things about Pacman
[01:59] <Kyral> though I KNOW I'm gonna do "sudo apt-get install" at least once tonight....
[01:59] <Kyral> by accident :P
[02:00] <truz24> damn, flight 6 came out today
[02:00] <Kyral> lol
[02:00] <Kyral> I'm still using Xubuntu and Breezy so don't worry :D
[02:00] <Kyral> Ubuntu will always be my "old reliable" :P
[02:01] <Kyral> 'cause I know how to operate it :D
[02:02] <truz24> I just wish windows never happened and linux was accepted as the mainstream OS
[02:02] <Kyral> lol
[02:02] <truz24> so that we wouldn't have all this software created for windows
[02:02] <Kyral> Windows is windows
[02:03] <Kyral> The OS in and of itself is not evil
[02:03] <Kyral> just horribly insecure
[02:03] <truz24> i don't have a problem with windows
[02:03] <Kyral> Microsoft on the other hadn....
[02:03] <truz24> i have a problem with all the software that is only created for windows
[02:08] <TheMuso> I have a problem with Microsoft's business tactics, and Windows insecurity.
[02:08] <TheMuso> And how most users run with admin privelages.
[02:09] <Kyral> yah
[02:09] <Kyral> I mean if XP locked down the Admin account
[02:09] <Kyral> then 90% of its security issues would die
[02:10] <TheMuso> And most 3rd party apps are not multi-user aware which makes things difficult as well.
[02:10] <cyberix> Quake3 didn't make it to Dapper Multiverse+
[02:10] <cyberix> ?
[02:10] <Kyral> Erlang
[02:10] <Kyral> The Sky Is Blue
[02:10] <Kyral> do you believe it :P
[02:10] <TheMuso> hahaha
[02:10] <Erlang> Kyral: ha! it's pitch black here, liar!
[02:11] <Kyral> Erlang:
[02:11] <Kyral> I am your Father's Brother's Nephew's Cousin's Former Roommate!
[02:12] <Erlang> -_o even if it was true, I wouldn't care
[02:12] <Kyral> damnit never saw SpaceBalls eh?
[02:12] <Erlang> a long time ago
[02:12] <Erlang> in french
[02:12] <Kyral> O_o
[02:12] <Kyral> bddebian!!!
[02:13] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[02:13] <Kyral> sup?
[02:32] <kbrooks> has canonical merged with mandriva/
[02:32] <Erlang> kbrooks: I don't know, but, for whatever you read today and tomorrow, check the date...
[02:34] <kbrooks>  ./: I HATE THE PINK
[02:34] <kbrooks> PINK, PINK, PINK. FOR EVERYONE? NO
[02:34] <kbrooks> FOR GIRLS? YES
[02:34] <kbrooks> FOR BOYS? NO
[02:35] <crimsun> um, that's immediately ETOPIC?
[02:35] <bddebian> heh
[02:36] <crimsun> (sorry, but I'm attempting to chase down bugs, so every flash is incredibly annoying if it's not directly related to some dev work)
[02:36] <kbrooks> sts = topic_checker("I HATE THE PINK"); sts # ETOPIC; if (sts == ETOPIC) { exit(1); }
[02:36] <kbrooks> :)
[02:36] <bddebian> Go crimsun go..
[02:58] <hub> so what is the name of dapper+1?
[02:59] <yves> dappes
[02:59] <spacey> Wifebeater Wombat
[02:59] <bddebian> hehe
[03:00] <bddebian> gonaditropis
[04:20] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[04:32] <LaserJock> anybody here use VNC?
[04:43] <LaserJock> hmm, how is Gnome's keyboard layout set?
[04:50] <Amaranth> System->Preferences->Keyboard
[04:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: meaning backend?
[04:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah kinda
[04:51] <LaserJock> I'm having problems with the keys being scrambled when I use vnc
[04:51] <LaserJock> it works with openbox
[04:51] <LaserJock> but Gnome is all messed up
[04:52] <crimsun> sounds like an xkb issue
[04:53] <LaserJock> so how would I diagnos such an issue?
[04:55] <crimsun> I'm not familiar w/ gnome; ask seb later?
[04:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: you don't use gnome or you don't know the inner workings?
[04:56] <LaserJock> just curious
[04:56] <crimsun> the latter
[04:57] <crimsun> my guess is that gnome is failing to set xkb magic
[04:57] <crimsun> (which is precisely the opposite of my experience w/ Xfce)
[04:59] <tritium> Hi LaserJock.  Sorry, stepped away for a bit.
[05:01] <ajmitch__> hi
[05:02] <tritium> hello crimsun, ajmitch__
[05:02] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch__
[05:02] <whiprush> hi ajmitch__, crimsun, others ....
[05:02] <LaserJock> hi whiprush, thanks for the muttrc, btw ;-)
[05:03] <whiprush> hey crimsun, I read your wiki entry, so you're really a U professor?
[05:03] <whiprush> LaserJock: dude that was like 4 weeks worth of work, heh.
[05:03] <LaserJock> whiprush: yeah, I'm still trying to figure it out
[05:04] <LaserJock> I'm still not sure if mutt is for me, but it sure seems cool
[05:04] <whiprush> it never hurts to have a mutt config handy.
[05:05] <whiprush> on a shell someplace or something
[05:05] <tritium> hi whiprush
[05:06] <LaserJock> well, I got procmail going which was good in any case
[05:06] <ajmitch__> whiprush: you didn't know that crimsun was a professor? :)
[05:06] <crimsun> whiprush: yes.
[05:06] <LaserJock> I don't know what to do for an address book though
[05:07] <whiprush> crimsun: I work at an .edu
[05:07] <LaserJock> Prof. crimsun, MOTU ;-)
[05:07] <whiprush> I think that's awesome.
[05:07] <crimsun> whiprush: rock
[05:07] <whiprush> I wish our faculty were as involved in oss.
[05:07] <whiprush> do you give talks and stuff?
[05:07] <crimsun> on floss? I wish.
[05:07] <whiprush> my dean is very pro-OSS.
[05:08] <tritium> whiprush: where are you?
[05:08] <whiprush> I wonder what it would take to get you up here to michigan ...
[05:08] <whiprush> tritium: Detroit area, Michigan, USA.
[05:08] <tritium> Oh, you're at UofM?
[05:08] <whiprush> ajmitch__: yeah, I didn't know.
[05:08] <whiprush> no, oakland.edu
[05:08] <Yagisan> bddebian: you here ?
[05:08] <whiprush> about 1 hour north.
[05:08] <tritium> Ah, okay.
[05:09] <bddebian> Yo
[05:09] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:09] <whiprush> Most of our faculty have a linux box, but none of them really /get/ OSS.
[05:10] <LaserJock> hmm, better than our faculty
[05:10] <tritium> Hi bddebian :)
[05:10] <whiprush> it's unfortunate, I
[05:10] <Yagisan> bddebian: remember yesterday I joked about copping it if I broke my system in the dapper upgrade ?
[05:10] <whiprush> MO
[05:10] <bddebian> Uh oh
[05:10] <truz24> How can i determine which version of dapper ( flight ) i have currently installed?
[05:10] <Yagisan> bddebian: I broke the system all right
[05:11] <bddebian> :-(
[05:11] <Yagisan> bddebian: *no* kernels boot. old or new
[05:11] <Yagisan> bddebian: and none of my boot cd's can find my lvm on raid partitions
[05:11] <whiprush> crimsun: out of curiosity, is OSS part of your coursework?
[05:11] <Yagisan> w00t :(
[05:12] <crimsun> whiprush: yes
[05:12] <bddebian> Yagisan: :-(
[05:12] <nictuku> truz24, packages are pushed every day to the repositories, so
[05:12] <whiprush> crimsun: man, that's totally awesome.
[05:13] <truz24> So flightX isn't really a vesion, but more of a snapshot?
[05:13] <Yagisan> bddebian: error is "PANIC Circular dependency. Exiting." on new kernel
[05:13] <nictuku> flights are snapshots
[05:13] <truz24> k
[05:13] <nictuku> truz24, from what I know, yes
[05:13] <Yagisan> bddebian: or endless segmentation faults on older
[05:13] <truz24> was just curious if there was a file that said "this is flight5" anywhere
[05:13] <LaserJock> whiprush: I collaborated with a Physics prof at Oakland in my undergrad research
[05:14] <crimsun> whiprush: we use Hugs98, Eclipse, NachOS, Kdevelop, Minix, Linux, and Ubuntu.
[05:14] <whiprush> LaserJock: wow, awesome!
[05:14] <whiprush> crimsun: dude, you should come do a talk at our school.
[05:14] <crimsun> they walk around with 5.10 live cds, I'm proud to say
[05:15] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm logged in via my firewall now, no X, nothing. At least it still works.
[05:16] <bddebian> That sucks man, sorry
[05:16] <ajmitch__> can I ask any MOTUs with spare time to review patches on https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs & upload them?
[05:16] <whiprush> crimsun: do you have a faculty page? I want to totally get you to come speak at our U (if you want to that is).
[05:16] <LaserJock> ajmitch__: I can try
[05:17] <crimsun> whiprush: not really.
[05:17] <ajmitch__> thanks LaserJock :)
[05:17] <ajmitch__> it helps keep patches coming in if we show interest in contributions
[05:17] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's mocking me today. will need to put a burner on the firewall soon
[05:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch__: it sure does
[05:17] <whiprush> crimsun: If I got you sponsored to come speak on OSS, would you be interested?
[05:18] <crimsun> whiprush: (that was in response to the page) I'd love to, but I'm extremely tight on time currently
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch__: I might be able to try now
[05:19] <LaserJock> go bddebian go!
[05:19] <whiprush> crimsun: We can work something out in the future? I'm 95% sure our department would sponsor an OSS speaker, especially one in academia already.
[05:20] <ajmitch__> bddebian: great!
[05:20] <crimsun> whiprush: I'm certainly open to that; e-mail contact is viable.
[05:20] <whiprush> crimsun: Will do so...
[05:21] <whiprush> crimsun: this made my day, I've been doom and gloom about OSS in schools for months.
[05:22] <LaserJock> whiprush: well, I'm certainly trying to change that in the scientific community ;-)
[05:22] <crimsun> really? most of the public NC universities are pretty stalwart OSS users
[05:22] <crimsun> particularly NCSU, since Red Hat is located right on their campus
[05:23] <whiprush> crimsun: we're about 50 feet from Daimler-Chrysler. We teach Java and CAD. That's about it.
[05:23] <whiprush> LaserJock: where are you at?
[05:23] <bddebian> Oh man, look at all those EASY .desktop files I can knock out.. :-)
[05:23] <LaserJock> whiprush: University of Nevada, Reno
[05:23] <bddebian> Of course my Gnome is fuXX0red
[05:24] <LaserJock> whiprush: Department of Chemistry :-)
[05:24] <Yagisan> bddebian: yours too ? gconf2 nver configured itself
[05:24] <whiprush> cool.
[05:24] <Yagisan> bddebian: before the kernel decided it didn't want to restart
[05:25] <LaserJock> it would be fun to have an Ubuntu Academia BOF some time
[05:25] <whiprush> yeah really LaserJock
[05:30] <LaserJock> all the profs in my department use macs or windows
[05:30] <LaserJock> and most of the data collection is Windows
[05:30] <truz24> So if each flight is a "snapshot", then why do I have to type apt-get dist-upgrade to get some of the newer packages?
[05:30] <truz24> what is the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade?
[05:31] <nictuku> is OSS spread in government agencies in the US? any of you work for the government?
[05:31] <nictuku> truz24, dist-upgrade is a bit more radical resolving dependencies
[05:32] <truz24> ok, i noticed it was upgraded my kernel and stuff
[05:32] <nictuku> see apt-get(8)
[05:33] <truz24> So going from the final flight up to 6.10 will be fine with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade?
[05:33] <truz24> or is a fresh install the best solution?
[05:33] <LaserJock> dist-upgrade
[05:34] <nictuku> dist-upgrade
[05:34] <truz24> sweet
[05:34] <LaserJock> I have never used apt-get upgrade
[05:34] <truz24> I see
[05:34] <truz24> so no need for the two separate commands
[05:35] <nictuku> well you still need update
[05:35] <nictuku> besides, consider using aptitude instead of apt-get
[05:36] <nictuku> but if you want to use aptitude, ALWAYS use aptitude
[05:36] <nictuku> and review pending actions, since it removes unused packages
[05:36] <nictuku> some aptitude beginners have a lot of trouble with that
[05:36] <Yagisan> dist-upgrade will delete .debs to make the upgrade work IIRC
[05:37] <truz24> so you don't keep using more and more disk space for packages?
[05:38] <whiprush> the occasional apt-get clean does the trick
[05:38] <LaserJock> I think he means it will remove packages to satisfy dependencies
[05:38] <LaserJock> or maybe not
[05:38] <Yagisan> yes
[05:38] <Yagisan> sorry - half here. try to fix my dead box
[05:39] <LaserJock> I've never gotten the hang of aptitude. I always get it in an unfixable (at least for me) state fairly quickly
[05:39] <truz24> So if you install flight5 and apt-get dist-upgrade to flight6, and then apt-get clean, you should use the same space on your hard disk as if you installed flight6 fresh?
[05:40] <LaserJock> more or less
[05:40] <nictuku> truz24, probably not because packages could grow - or it can install new packages
[05:41] <truz24> So a package grows... wouldn't apt-get dist-upgrade delete the old one?
[05:42] <nictuku> it can grow, it does not pile up one over the other
[05:42] <whiprush> at worst, you'll maybe have an old config someplace.
[05:42] <truz24> thats not *too* bad :-)
[05:42] <whiprush> generally speaking though, it just works.
[05:42] <nictuku> truz24, new icons could be added to gnome themes, for example
[05:42] <truz24> yeah, but again, that would require the same space as if you installed flight6 fresh right?
[05:43] <whiprush> If you install flight5 right now, and apt-get update and upgrade, you'll get flight6
[05:43] <whiprush> or whatever is current.
[05:43] <truz24> Agreed.
[05:44] <whiprush> I've had the same install on my laptop since hoary.
[05:44] <whiprush> there's probably a bit of cruft, but generally speaking
[05:44] <whiprush> it works.
[05:44] <truz24> The topic we are discussing is if you install flight5, apt-get update & upgrade, does that == fresh install of flight6
[05:44] <truz24> and it seems that there might be some odd files left behind
[05:44] <truz24> but nothing big
[05:45] <whiprush> right
[05:45] <truz24> I assume those files left behind are dynamically generated by some packages, and are not cataloged by the repositories
[05:46] <Kyral> okay...dist-upgrade path definately broken
[05:49] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you get EasyChem bug reports?
[05:50] <Kyral> LaserJock: no..have there been?
[05:50] <truz24> whiprush, so when you upgraded from hoary to breezy, did you just go into sources.lst and change all instances of hoary to breezy?
[05:51] <whiprush> yep.
[05:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, there was a .desktop bug
[05:51] <whiprush> truz24: knowing apt and dpkg well help, sometimes there's a bug.
[05:52] <Kyral> LaserJock: tell me about it
[05:52] <Kyral> i prolly got the email but skipped over it
[05:52] <LaserJock> Kyral: you .desktop file sucks <g>
[05:52] <truz24> well, its a server install, hopefully it will be simple :-) if not i'll learn
[05:52] <whiprush> if you're tracking a devel release, then knowing how dpkg works well helps a ton.
[05:52] <truz24> yeah, i'm not gonna take it to the devel versions
[05:52] <truz24> just from hoary to breezy
[05:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: it is bug #36371
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36371 in easychem ".desktop file is incomplete" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36371
[05:56] <LaserJock> truz24: I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now (last time was probably ~ Flight4) 381 packages upgrade
[05:57] <truz24> have you guys ever downgraded with dist-upgrade?
[05:58] <LaserJock> I did once or twice. It seemed much harder but it sorta works
[05:58] <LaserJock> seemed like a fresh install worked better
[06:00] <Yagisan> no, but I've manually downgraded with aptitude
[06:00] <Yagisan> downgrades don't seem to be really supported
[06:00] <Yagisan> but they usually work
[06:01] <truz24> Are there any implementations of Wakeup on Lan in ubuntu?
[06:02] <truz24> I'm wanting to hibernate a couple of servers when they aren't being used, and have them startup when a lan request is made...
[06:02] <Yagisan> truz24: WoL is a bios/netcard rom feature IIRC
[06:02] <truz24> right, but doesn't the OS have to support it as well?
[06:03] <Yagisan> truz24: better to just turn powersaving on so the spin down the drives and throttle the cpu
[06:03] <truz24> powersaving can be turned on in the server distro?
[06:03] <truz24> or do you mean at the bios level
[06:05] <Yagisan> truz24: I turn it on. actually IIRC it was there by default when I put breezy on
[06:12] <Yagisan> wish me luck people. my flight6 iso has downloaded, now to try and fix my box
[06:12] <bddebian> Good luck Yagisan
[06:12] <LaserJock> go Yagisan go!
[06:20] <truz24> interesting.  I just upgraded the server from hoary to breezy, and did apt-get clean, and its using 20 megs less disk space :-)
[09:14] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart
[09:27] <siretart> hey, kelmo_lap, how are you?
[09:28] <kelmo_lap> pretty good, its saturday after all :)
[09:28] <siretart> :)
[09:30] <siretart> kelmo_lap: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=wpasupplicant looks quite cleaned up for now :)
[09:30] <kelmo_lap> now that i have had enough time to go over the just released code, i have found some minor shortcomings
[09:30] <kelmo_lap> yes, it does indeed
[09:30] <siretart> yes? what are they?
[09:31] <kelmo_lap> well, the most critical:
[09:31] <kelmo_lap>   * Remove check for wpa_cli pidfile when executing an action script. This
[09:31] <kelmo_lap>     check was racy, and not always successful. Sometimes, the device was
[09:31] <kelmo_lap>     marked as up without allowing the action script a chance to finish.
[09:31] <kelmo_lap> this will directly impact the report that was just closed
[09:31] <siretart> oh
[09:32] <kelmo_lap> bug #287223
[09:32] <kelmo_lap> the guy who wanted a drop in replacement for waproamd
[09:32] <kelmo_lap> i am guessing he'll start exploring the action script setup soon
[09:33] <kelmo_lap> he might find a small hole in it ; )
[09:33] <kelmo_lap> fixed in svn
[09:33] <kelmo_lap> second point i'd like to discuss quickly:
[09:33] <kelmo_lap> maybe we should arrange a new debian/experimental upload, after importing all the stuff from current trunk?
[09:34] <siretart> yes, I agree
[09:34] <kelmo_lap> alot has changed in the last two or so days
[09:34] <kelmo_lap> the i will leave you be for a little while ; )
[09:34] <kelmo_lap> then*
[09:35] <kelmo_lap> ok, i will prepare the experimental branch
[09:35] <kelmo_lap> based on trunk
[09:36] <siretart> ok. great
[10:17] <kelmo> siretart: i also have some concerns about how the maintainer scripts handle removing/backing up the conffiles when they are symbolic links, this is crucial in the if-pre-up/if-post-down directories, or else ifupdowns run-parts may execute two instances of it
[11:03] <Toadstool> hi here
[11:59] <enyc> apparently I have to come ehre if I need to nag people about versions of packages that need updating ;-)
[12:00] <enyc> ?whatis #ubuntu-motu ?
[12:01] <enyc> aaaaaaaah
[12:01] <mhz> enyc: it's the developers maintaining universe packages
[12:01] <enyc> Masters of the Universe
[12:01] <enyc> ;-)
[12:01] <mhz> .)
[12:01] <mhz> yeah
[12:01] <mhz> M.O.T.U
[12:02] <enyc> ;-)
[12:02] <enyc> 1 moment....
[12:02] <enyc> just testing debian freedoom deb ;-)
[12:03] <enyc> that works
[12:03] <enyc> (not tested extensively)
[12:03] <enyc> however
[12:03] <enyc> This seems silly
[12:03] <enyc> Breezy and Dapper have freedoom 0.3 versions...
[12:04] <enyc> Sarge and deb/unstable have freedoom 0.4.1 version...
[12:04] <enyc> and the sarge freedoom deb (appears) to work fine on breezy
[12:04] <enyc> (its arch-independant data)
[12:05] <enyc> its unlikely to have any compatibiltiy rpbolems besides potential moved-locations-of-files
[12:05] <ogra> enyc, file a bug and assign it to MOTUGames
[12:05] <enyc> where/how ? ;-)
[12:05] <enyc> malone something?
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> enyc: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[12:06] <enyc> right.. and launchpad _uses_ malone [?] 
[12:07] <ogra> malone is a part of launchpad
[12:08] <enyc> so nalone is the bugtracker?
[12:10] <azeem> enyc: ys
[12:10] <azeem> yes, even
[12:11] <enyc> ok
[12:11] <enyc> got login working....
[12:11] <enyc> searched for bugs (none found)
[12:11] <enyc> now writing new bug ;-)
[12:12] <enyc> what I cant see is how to do the 'assign' / MOTUgames
[12:13] <enyc> maybe that comes after 'add'ing the bug
[12:13] <ajmitch__> yes, it does
[12:22] <enyc> Umm errr...
[12:22] <enyc> I can see "Assigned To" readout but not a link to actually add an assignment to the bug
[12:22] <ajmitch__> isn't malone great?
[12:22] <ajmitch__> click on the arrow on that details line
[12:23] <enyc> aaaah ;-)
[12:24] <enyc> Affects  	Status  	Severity  	Assigned To
[12:24] <enyc> 	freedoom (Ubuntu) 	Unconfirmed 	Normal 	Motu Games Team
[12:24] <enyc> ;-)
[12:24] <enyc> done ;-)
[12:24] <enyc> thanks all ;-)
[12:25] <Toadstool> hub: is_computer_on() is a great idea :p
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[12:50] <ajmitch__> hi Hobbsee
[12:50] <ajmitch__> how's it going?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch__ - well, i made it out of work tonight - they tried to lock me in!
[12:51] <ajmitch__> heh
[12:51] <ajmitch__> they must value your contributions ;)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> well, my car in - but they forgot to add a padlock to the lock - so it was just unclippable :P
[12:51] <Hobbsee> they must do...
[12:52] <ajmitch__> 11 hours?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> till i have to be back in there again
[12:53] <ajmitch__> ah
[12:53] <ajmitch__> you sound like you're not looking forward to it :)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:57] <Mithrandir> ouch
[12:57] <Mithrandir> my fiancee did that last night.  Accidentially, I may add, but still.  It hurts when people do that.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:58] <Mithrandir> I'm not very tickly, I'm sorry.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> ah yes, one of *those* people
[01:02] <Mithrandir> yeah.  Shame, isn't it?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> very
[01:03] <ajmitch__> heh
[01:58] <Yagisan> hmm firefox ate my home page. This has been the upgrade from hell
[01:58] <Yagisan> no menus, no taskbar, heaps of errors on a console login :(
[01:59] <Yagisan> but on the plus side, everything from universe that was upgraded seems to work
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:00] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: oh the system would not boot for 6 hours
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yuck
[02:00] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: initramfs didn't genrate properly
[02:00] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:02] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: and I gave away all my ubuntu cd's, so had to download and amd64 livecd from my firewall, install a burner, burn it (severral times - damm coasters), and try to resuscitate it.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> eek!
[02:03] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I have a big box in the middle of my screen. its blank, but the title is question. If I force kill it, the panel restarts and it comes back
[02:03] <Hobbsee> lol great
[02:04] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: and whatever gconf2 is, it still hasn't configured itself after 15 minutes
[02:47] <Yagisan> so Hobbsee, hows your day been
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: pretty good, apart from stupid centre management deciding to lock my car in :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> and mum being sick all last night
[02:48] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: my misses seems to have caught something too.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm just waiting to see what breaks next now
[02:50] <Hobbsee> apt?
[02:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: gconf2 and metacity won't configure, they just hang apt.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ugh
[02:51] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it seems a lot of stuff depends on gconf2 as well
[02:51] <Yagisan> :(
[02:51] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:56] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: w00t another problem now :(
[02:56] <Hobbsee> what's this one?
[02:58] <Yagisan> packages hangs on removal
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:49] <Yagisan> wb Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ty
[04:01] <bradb> Why is it that I have a five hour old email on dapper-changes about yaboot, but I still can't see the new version when I update/dist-upgrade? I got the impression from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildDaemons that the delay should be about an hour, at most.
[04:03] <Toadstool> bradb: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/yaboot/+builds <-- build is pending
[04:03] <bradb> Ah. I thought dapper-changes were emails about things that have changed in dapper.
[04:03] <bradb> But it seems like it's more of a dapper-uploads.
[04:04] <Toadstool> well, dapper-changes mail come when the package is uploaded, not when it's built
[04:04] <Toadstool> *mails
[04:04] <bradb> yeah. so if the build fails, nothing changes in dapper, right?
[04:04] <Toadstool> yep
[04:04] <Toadstool> except for the source package
[04:05] <bradb> interesting
[04:08] <bmonty> doko: ping
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya Gang
[04:37] <Yagisan>  G'day bddebian
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan, any luck?
[04:40] <Yagisan> bddebian: got the system booting again, now trying to clean up the mess from a failed dapper upgrade
[04:41] <bddebian> Yagisan: Great
[04:43] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[04:43] <Yagisan> bddebian: not really. several packages hang in config stage
[04:44] <bddebian> Oh Ugh
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[04:44] <Yagisan> bddebian: and as luck would have it, those are needed by most of gnome
[04:45] <bmonty> wow, is malone actually aggregating changes to bugs into a single email?
[04:47] <Toadstool> bmonty: there's a 5 minutes cache to avoid flooding ubuntu-bugs
[04:48] <bmonty> Toadstool: cool, it is a very welcome change
[04:48] <Toadstool> yep :)
[05:00] <truz24> mmm, how come this is redirecting to the ISO? : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-6/dapper-live-i386.iso.torrent
[05:19] <Yagisan> bddebian: :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11242 the packages that are causing all the trouble
[05:21] <bddebian> WTF?
[05:21] <Yagisan> bddebian: yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking too
[05:21] <bddebian> I assume you have tried apt-get -f install?
[05:22] <Yagisan> bddebian: nope. they hang and need a Ctrl+C
[05:22] <bddebian> Ugh
[05:24] <Yagisan> Do I win a prize ?
[05:25] <bddebian> heh, sure :-)
[05:26] <Yagisan> bugger it. I'll see if I can downgrade the system
[05:29] <truz24> has anyone noticed a big performance gain going from i386 to amd64 versions on their amd?
[05:31] <Yagisan> truz24: for what workload ?
[05:31] <truz24> any
[05:32] <truz24> Aren't there still a lot of packages that don't have a 64 bit equivalent?
[05:32] <Yagisan> truz24: well depending on what you use it for you won't see any improvement
[05:32] <Yagisan> truz24: not really. You can run those in an i386 chroot very easily
[05:33] <siretart> Yagisan: amd64 has twice as much registers available compared to x86
[05:33] <truz24> but thats one additional step that the i386 install doesn't need...
[05:33] <siretart> truz24: If you are asking question like this, I suspect you are better off with an i386 install
[05:34] <truz24> ok
[05:35] <Yagisan> siretart: I know. It also has a 1 byte overhead on instructions so cache is slightly less effective in 64bit mode,
[05:36] <Yagisan> siretart: if he's after something cpu bound it will help, otherwise no, he should go with i386
[05:37] <siretart> Yagisan: 64bit instructions and pointers are twice as big as their 32bit equivalents, so his caches will fill up faster
[05:37] <siretart> Yagisan: so even on cpu bound application, there might be a performance loss.
[05:39] <Yagisan> siretart: yes, but usually the throughput in 64bit mode overcomes that small loss
[05:40] <Yagisan> bbs - hope my box comes back up after this reboot
[06:02] <truz24> Dapper flight 5 or 6 does not boot on my machine, but 5.10 does... anything new that might cause this?
[06:02] <truz24> flight5 & 6 just hang on the initial ubuntu splash screen
[06:02] <truz24> and doesn't display the "what type of install do you want" text
[06:03] <cyberix> slomo_: Are you there?
[06:11] <slomo_> cyberix: yes
[06:13] <cyberix> slomo_: GNUnet 0.7.0c has some really important fixes for bugs in 0.7.0b
[06:13] <cyberix> slomo_: We were wondering, if they are bad enought so 0.7.0c could still make it to Dapper.
[06:14] <slomo_> cyberix: no idea :) but in any case you have to file a UVF exception... read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[06:16] <cyberix> slomo_: UVF?
[06:17] <cyberix> Ubuntu Version Freeze?
[06:17] <crimsun> upstream
[06:34] <paniq> what the hell
[06:34] <paniq> www.ubuntustudio.com
[06:34] <jdong> paniq, april fools!
[06:34] <paniq> yes
[06:34] <paniq> obviously
[06:34] <paniq> i got fooled
[06:34] <paniq> i wrote the fruityloops guys an angry email!
[06:34] <slomo_> paniq: ubuntustudio is older and real ;)
[06:34] <paniq> i called them assholes
[06:34] <slomo_> oh...
[06:34] <paniq> oh no :(
[06:34] <paniq> i thought its some kind of domain snagging
[06:35] <slomo_> the forward to FL is new
[06:35] <slomo_> dolson: do you know anything about this? :)
[06:37] <paniq> ok
[06:37] <paniq> another thing
[06:37] <paniq> i want to provide LASH to ubuntu
[06:38] <paniq> i just installed ubuntu yesterday, so i have no idea how to do it
[06:38] <paniq> i already learned how to use checkinstall
[06:39] <slomo_> paniq: what's LASH?
[06:39] <truz24> How can I diagnose a boot up freeze ?
[06:39] <paniq> slomo: linux audio session handler
[06:39] <paniq> slomo: its basically the new ladcca
[06:39] <slomo_> paniq: cool :)
[06:40] <truz24> When I insert 5.10 it boots up fine... but 6.6 flight 5 and 6 freeze on the "select type of install" screen
[06:40] <paniq> dave robillard is working on it, and i am helping to get it around
[06:40] <slomo_> paniq: for packaging look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging
[06:40] <paniq> hum
[06:40] <paniq> kubuntu? ;)
[06:44] <slomo_> paniq: look at the pages below :)
[06:45] <paniq> ok
[06:45] <paniq> i will deal with this later ;)
[06:46] <paniq> hmm
[06:46] <paniq> alsa sequencer is not supported by default in ubuntu?
[06:58] <cyberix> slomo_: Is this ok? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnunet/+bug/37611/+index
[06:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37611 in gnunet "UVF Exception 0.7.0b -> 0.7.0c" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[07:01] <slomo_> cyberix: hm no... get the new and the old tarball, get a diffstat from the old to new and a diff of the changelog in there
[07:02] <slomo_> diff -Naur old new | diffstat
[07:02] <slomo_> and diff -Nau old/ChangeLog new/ChangeLog or similar
[07:10] <bddebian> What are we supposed to do with bugs that have been upload to REVU?
[07:10] <bddebian> I.E. just missing .desktop files?
[07:11] <bddebian> Should we "review" them per REVU or just take the fix in Malone and upload?
[07:14] <bddebian> dolson: ping?
[07:15] <bddebian> Hey, wake up people. :)
[07:18] <cyberix> slomo_: Now?
[07:24] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:24] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:25] <LaserJock> I'd think if there is a problem with the package on REVU you could review it,etc. If it isn't on REVU but a debdiff is attached in Malone, I'd use that I guess
[07:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: There is a diff on REVU but it's wrong.  But it's an easy fix so.. ?
[07:27] <LaserJock> I'd say it is up to you then ;-)
[07:27] <LaserJock> I'd probably just fix it and upload but also provide a comment on REVU
[07:28] <bddebian> Aye, that's what I'm doing now :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: you probably just want to make it clear that you already uploaded it so then don't need to update
[07:29] <bddebian> Aye
[07:31] <G0SUB> is there _any_ way to get a NEW package for Dapper?
[07:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:31] <G0SUB> it's a trivial package
[07:31] <G0SUB> LaserJock: what's the procedure?
[07:32] <LaserJock> Not sure at the moment, dholbach was thinking of doing something similar to UVF exceptions
[07:32] <G0SUB> hmm
[07:35] <G0SUB> LaserJock: should I put it up on REVU?
[07:35] <crimsun> yes
[07:35] <LaserJock> why not? It should probably go there regardless
[07:35] <G0SUB> yes, but it's important that the package is in Dapper
[07:36] <LaserJock> but after it is reviewed it can be decided whether to put it in Dapper or not
[07:37] <G0SUB> LaserJock: ok
[07:37] <G0SUB> it's kmfl.sf.net ... a very important Input Method for us
[07:39] <bddebian> :'-(
[07:39] <Yagisan> I don't even have working X any more
[07:40] <Yagisan> must remember to get gpg key and evoulution mail + accounts
[07:40] <Yagisan> flight 6 install ok ?
[07:40] <G0SUB> Yagisan: agh! what's the issue?
[07:41] <Yagisan> G0SUB: I've been moaning on here for about 24hrs about the dapper upgrade from hell
[07:41] <G0SUB> Yagisan: oh! this happened to me too when I upgraded ... I thankfully have my /home in a different partition
[07:42] <Yagisan> G0SUB: I have / /boot /usr /opt /home /var and /tmp all different, but on lvm
[07:43] <Yagisan> G0SUB: I learned today that most rescue disk and cd's can't read lvm :(
[07:43] <Yagisan> or at least lvm on md
[07:43] <G0SUB> yeah
[07:43] <G0SUB> agh! md
[07:43] <Yagisan> yes it was a server I screwed
[07:44] <Yagisan> and not just any, but my ltsp server
[07:44] <Yagisan> w00t
[07:44] <Yagisan> the only working system here was the firewall
[07:45] <G0SUB> hehe
[07:45] <Yagisan> with no kb, monitor, or burner
[07:46] <Yagisan> G0SUB: 1st initramfs failed to generate. needed the amd64 dapper live cd to fix that
[07:46] <Yagisan> G0SUB: then about 15-16 odd packages failed to configure
[07:47] <G0SUB> that's sad
[07:47] <Yagisan> G0SUB: they were things like dbus, gconf2 etc ie the bits everything else depends on
[07:47] <G0SUB> eeks
[07:47] <Yagisan> G0SUB: and a downgrade failed
[07:48] <Yagisan> G0SUB: because gconf2 was changed and had a hissy fit over which gconf2 owned a file
[07:49] <Yagisan> G0SUB: so nothing could downgrade because of tight version dependencys on the f*ck gconf2
[07:49] <Yagisan> which brings me to my question
[07:49] <G0SUB> Yagisan: did you try pinning gconf2 to an older version?
[07:50] <Yagisan> any reported issues with a flight 6 installed system
[07:50] <Yagisan> G0SUB: it would not downgrade
[07:50] <Yagisan> G0SUB: and the dapper packages would not install with the breezy version
[07:50] <G0SUB> hmm
[07:51] <G0SUB> Yagisan: I am in Dapper atm ... I don't see any issues as such
[07:51] <Yagisan> G0SUB: multi-lingual ?
[07:51] <G0SUB> Yagisan: multi-lingual ?
[07:51] <Yagisan> that's partly why I wanted to upgrade.
[07:52] <Yagisan> G0SUB: I need english + CJK
[07:52] <G0SUB> Yagisan: I have English + Indic
[07:52] <Yagisan> J for me, C, and K for the don't park in my car space notes I find I have to write
[07:52] <G0SUB> hehe
[07:54] <Yagisan> G0SUB: the shop downstars really doesn't get the fact that my car space is for *my* customers, not theirs
[07:54] <G0SUB> Yagisan: haha
[07:55] <Yagisan> G0SUB: thats what I say when I'm playing with my keys >:)
[07:58] <Yagisan> right, time for me to go. lets see what else goes wrong. I bet my cd's will become coasters next
[07:58] <Yagisan> or the burner will die
[07:59] <bddebian> What are you folks using for switches to dpkg-buildpackage/debuild these days?
[08:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: I just use debuild -S or debuild -S -sa for including .orig.tar.gz
[08:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: -k if I need to sponsor somebody's upload
[08:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: and -v if I'm doing a fakesync ;-)
[08:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: I was talking about for a binary build but no worries :-)
[08:14] <LaserJock> pbuilder all the way :-)
[08:15] <bddebian> pfft :-)
[08:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm just providing some noise so you don't think you're alone.
[08:15] <bddebian> Thanks :-)
[08:16] <LaserJock> I don't think I've ever actually used dpkg-buildpackage directly to build a binary
[08:16] <inflate> hello, somebody know how I can 'remaster' (k)ubuntu install CD? I want to add/remove some packages from CD to fill my needs, any help?
[08:17] <bddebian> inflate: Not me sorry :-(
[08:17] <inflate> well, the question is for all, not for you only :)
[08:18] <inflate> I know about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[08:18] <inflate> but it's not working
[08:20] <LaserJock> inflate: that question has come up a few times here and I honestly don't know that anybody here will be much help.
[08:20] <LaserJock> inflate: You might have better luck on a mailing list perhaps
[08:20] <inflate> ok, but another question
[08:21] <inflate> how can I build the installer?
[08:21] <inflate> I've downloaded it and compiled
[08:21] <inflate> but I don't know how to merge it with packages
[08:22] <LaserJock> are you talking about debian-installer?
[08:22] <inflate> yes
[08:23] <LaserJock> so you downloaded the source package?
[08:24] <inflate> yes, also compiled them, and I've a small repository which contain packages I need,
[08:25] <inflate> but I don't know how to merge installer with repository
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, well I have no idea. I've never messed around with d-i before
[08:27] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what you are trying to do
[08:28] <inflate> what I wnat exactly is to create a modified version of kubuntu, the default package selection on ubuntu doesn't fill my needs
[08:28] <inflate> I need more packages
[08:28] <inflate> and I want to remove the 100MB of lang-packs
[08:29] <inflate> I tried to use the article mentioned here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[08:29] <inflate> but it's not working
[08:29] <LaserJock> ok, how often do you want to do that?
[08:31] <inflate> well, this is what I'm asking about, the article's way isn't working, so I need another way
[08:31] <LaserJock> I'd just modify the kubuntu-desktop meta package
[08:32] <LaserJock> or provide a kubuntu-inflate-desktop meta package ;-)
[08:32] <inflate> :)
[08:32] <inflate> really i tried
[08:32] <inflate> installer worked normally, and install the base system
[08:33] <inflate> and the kernel + usplash too
[08:33] <inflate> but it skip kubuntu-desktop package
[08:33] <LaserJock> perhaps because it's dependecies were not met
[08:34] <bddebian> Hmm, should .ui files changes have a proper "debian patch" or just hack the source?
[08:35] <akulah> I have a question
[08:35] <LaserJock> inflate: what I would do (and am thinking of doing this in the future) is create my own -desktop meta package
[08:35] <akulah> anybody want to help me?
[08:35] <G0SUB> akulah: sure. just ask
[08:35] <LaserJock> inflate: and then remove the installed -desktop package and install mine after install
[08:35] <bddebian> akulah: Just ask.  Don't ask to ask.  If we can help you we will :-)
[08:36] <inflate> as I told you, i've done this, also I tested it in a chroot environment
[08:36] <inflate> all dependencies are there
[08:37] <akulah> ok
[08:37] <akulah> I'm a MOTU wanabe
[08:37] <LaserJock> inflate: so what happened?
[08:38] <LaserJock> akulah: great!
[08:38] <akulah> if i've created some packages what I have to upload to revu?
[08:38] <G0SUB> akulah: excellent
[08:38] <akulah> th binaey package
[08:38] <akulah> ?
[08:38] <akulah> binary package?
[08:38] <inflate> as I told you, installer skip -desktop meta package
[08:38] <LaserJock> akulah: no the source package is what you need to upload
[08:38] <akulah> aha
[08:38] <akulah> ok tnx
[08:38] <G0SUB> akulah: the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, the diff.gz
[08:38] <inflate> I checked all logs, nothing about non met deps
[08:39] <LaserJock> inflate: no, I'm saying don't mess with the installer or the cd, do it after you install with a regular cd
[08:39] <LaserJock> akulah: you need your gpg key added to the REVU keyring before you can upload though. Have you seen wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU?
[08:40] <akulah> yes
[08:40] <akulah> I've added my key
[08:40] <inflate> I don't understand, you mean the official cd, or the modified cd?
[08:40] <LaserJock> inflate: official cd
[08:41] <LaserJock> inflate: I wouldn't make a modified cd is what I'm saying. I wouldn't bother
[08:41] <akulah> I have received the confirmation email today
[08:41] <LaserJock> akulah: great
[08:42] <inflate> well, thanks for help
[08:42] <LaserJock> akulah: then you are set to upload. just use "dput revu <package>_source.changes"
[08:42] <LaserJock> inflate: you would have to modify each install cd in the future, which would be a pain
[08:43] <LaserJock> inflate: you should be able to do everything you want with a metapackage
[08:44] <inflate> yes I know, but, I like to learn how things happen, and I want to learn from this more than only modifying kubuntu
[08:45] <inflate> also, my internet connection is limit
[08:45] <inflate> so i dont want to download packages every day
[08:45] <inflate> using a modified cd, i do it once
[08:45] <LaserJock> you wouldn't have to
[08:46] <LaserJock> anyway, if you want the educational experience go for it.
[08:47] <inflate> well, it wil continue trying, may be I can discover what is the problem, and also fix the howto in wiki ;)
[08:47] <LaserJock> yeah, that would be great. Seems like a few people have had problems with the wiki page.
[08:50] <inflate> gtg, thank you very much LaserJock
[08:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not feeling very helpful this morning. Maybe I just need to shut up :/
[09:16] <bddebian> Damn I feel rusty.. :'-(
[09:18] <crimsun> don't worry, there are 9300 other bugs you can unrust with
[09:18] <bddebian> Heh, so I've noticed :-)
[10:31] <kimo_> I am a motu-wannabe :)
[10:31] <kimo_> Any master want to take my hand
[10:36] <LaserJock> kimo_: well, we don't do hand holding here ;-)
[10:36] <LaserJock> kimo_: but we can certainly help you and get you going in the right direction
[10:36] <kimo_> LaserJock: please do :)
[10:37] <kimo_> I just subscribed on the mailing list
[10:37] <kimo_> I would just like to know if I have to be a developer ?
[10:37] <kimo_> I can read code, but I am not a programmer per se
[10:38] <LaserJock> no, I'm not much of a programmer either
[10:38] <kimo_> ok that's relefing
[10:39] <kimo_> great .. I am on the list .. what's the first thing I can do
[10:39] <kimo_> I have read the wiki for about an hour now .. it does seem too complex :)
[10:40] <LaserJock> I would take a look at both the Ubuntu Packaging Guide (at doc.ubuntu.com) and the Debian New Maintainer's Guide (at the bottom of www.debian.org/devel/)
[10:40] <Kyral> Hey guys :D
[10:40] <kimo_> ok ... afterwards .. like what's the simplest thing I can start to help with
[10:41] <Kyral> I may be running ArchLinux on my Desktop
[10:41] <Kyral> but I'm still spreading UBuntu lol (Gave out like 10 Shipit CDs at the Clarkson Open House :D)
[10:42] <Kyral> oh LJ I saw that bug
[10:42] <Kyral> I'll apply the patch as soon as I make a Dapper VM to work in
[10:42] <LaserJock> kimo_: I'd say that doing some bug work at this point would be helpful.
[10:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: Arch? only Arch? You sound like me now :(
[10:43] <Kyral> huh?
[10:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: I fired up my Ubuntu box for the first time in weeks today
[10:43] <Kyral> LaserJock: I still run Xubuntu on my laptop..and my server is powered by Xen Breezy
[10:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: I've been using OSX and Windows almost exclusively
[10:43] <Kyral> Just wanted to try something out :D
[10:44] <Kyral> can't get complacent now can I?
[10:44] <LaserJock> nope
[10:45] <Kyral> meh the latest NVidia drivers are causing my system to freeze
[10:45] <Kyral> wonder if 7676 will work
[10:45] <kimo_> LaserJock: how do I start on this bug work ?
[10:47] <kimo_> ok .. just noticed last section of maintiners guide is on bug fixing
[10:51] <Kyral> I must say....Arch makes me realize how much Ubuntu autoconfigures (or remember rather lol)
[10:52] <Tm_T> ugh
[10:52] <Tm_T> there's one thing we need, some kde4 extras, just sowe can say "we have it, you don't" ;)
[10:53] <Tm_T> not very useful but so what
[10:54] <kimo_> Kyral: then why do u enjoy Arch ?
[10:54] <Kyral> kimo_: its a new experiance :P
[10:54] <Kyral> Different way of doing things
[10:54] <kimo_> ahh ..
[10:55] <Kyral> I mean I know Ubuntu and Debian in and out
[10:55] <Kyral> practically
[10:55] <Kyral> why?
[10:56] <Kyral> I will still "work" for Ubuntu :P
[10:56] <kimo_> I am an RHCE, pretty confy with redhat, but I am a noob with debian
[10:56] <kimo_> wish I could say I know debian in & out :)
[10:56] <kimo_> but I'm trying
[10:57] <LaserJock> kimo_: I moved from Gentoo to Ubuntu
[10:57] <LaserJock> kimo_: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay has some good bug fixing info/links
[10:58] <kimo_> LaserJock: ok thnx
[11:04] <kimo_> why are the motus only 38!
[11:04] <kimo_> is it too difficult, or simply no people are wanting to become motus
[11:06] <bddebian> There's only 38 MOTUs?
[11:07] <bddebian> That doesn't sound right
[11:07] <kimo_> just read it on the wiki
[11:07] <kimo_> maybe it's outdated
[11:08] <bddebian> I suppose it's possible
[11:10] <Mithrandir> bddebian: you still have time to count as more!
[11:14] <bddebian> Mithrandir: I'm uploading away man.. :-)
[11:14] <Mithrandir> bddebian: good. :-)
[11:15] <bddebian> Probably all wrong, but I'm a uploadin' ;-P
[11:42] <LaserJock> kimo_: there are 40 MOTUs listed on launchpad (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev) but I'd say that only half are really "active" at any given time
[11:43] <bddebian> Yeah, we can't all be stars all the time like LaserJock ;-)
[11:43] <crimsun> or bddebian ;-)
[11:43] <bddebian> Heh, I was going to say crimsun but I wasn't sure if you were here.. Bastage :-)
[11:44] <LaserJock> lol
[11:44] <LaserJock> unfortunately I haven't really figured out a good way to be here 24 hours a day, yet
[11:44] <crimsun> it's my masterful idling
[11:45] <truz24> Have you guys heard of 6.6 hanging on the "select type of install" screen?
[11:45] <LaserJock> yes, I need to master that. I get so distracted here that I don't get any work done :(
[11:45] <truz24> it works on my laptop, but not on my desktop machine, wondering what i could disable in the bios to let it through
[11:45] <truz24> 5.10 works on the desktop
[11:58] <truz24> its sitting at this screen: http://www.howtoforge.com/images/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10_/img_1.gif
[11:58] <truz24> but without any of the text, only the ubuntu logo
[11:59] <LaserJock> hmm, did you restart?
[12:00] <truz24> several times
[12:00] <truz24> the thing that is odd, is that 5.10 install disc works fine
[12:00] <truz24> i guess i could install 5.10 and then upgrade to dapper
[12:00] <truz24> also, the dapper install cd works fine on my laptop
[12:00] <truz24> so its some hardware conflict i assume