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| seth | bah | 07:13 |
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| seth | network-manager-kde is working great | 07:13 |
| seth | but my wireless doesn't work right now | 07:13 |
| seth | it scans, but can't connect | 07:14 |
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| Tm_T | kwwii: good morning | 07:32 |
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| kwwii | sooo, /me starts working on the dapper artwork todo | 07:37 |
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| Parkotron | kwwii: Are there plans for a new default icon theme for Kubuntu? | 07:51 |
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| kwwii | Parkotron: nope, but there are plans to make a few icons which were missing | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | hi kwwii | 07:57 |
| kwwii | check out the wiki page for the list of things toDo until now | 07:57 |
| kwwii | hi Hobbsee | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | which wiki page is this? | 07:57 |
| kwwii | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 07:59 |
| kwwii | the first thing I will work on is the usplash stuff | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 08:01 |
| Parkotron | kwwii: Sorry, I meant to say a new CURSOR theme. | 08:02 |
| Parkotron | I realise that Dapper is fast approaching, so I don't expect anything to happen soon, but I really think Kubuntu could use some new cursors. | 08:02 |
| kwwii | Parkotron: well, that is on the list :-) | 08:03 |
| seth | Really? I really like the cursor theme | 08:03 |
| Parkotron | The Ubuntu Human ones are nice, but they're quite Gnomish. | 08:03 |
| seth | simple and clean | 08:03 |
| kwwii | they are the best ones we have now, imho | 08:03 |
| kwwii | but they could fit beter with the KDE look and feel | 08:04 |
| Parkotron | They could also stand to have a bigger version. On high resolution displays, they can look awfully small. | 08:04 |
| Parkotron | Personally I'd like to see something like Pinux's Tux Cursors (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506&PHPSESSID=9ce6a9d6dc6598761e7ea68f43bea9dd) but they would definately need some changes. | 08:09 |
| kwwii | well, I already started work on a new default cursor theme for KDE which includes a bigger version | 08:09 |
| Parkotron | Excellent. | 08:09 |
| Parkotron | Are they svg based? | 08:09 |
| kwwii | everything I do is SVG based :-) | 08:10 |
| kwwii | but the small pics are pretty much redrawn by hand when necessary | 08:10 |
| Parkotron | Understandable. You wouldn't happen to have a sample you'd be willing to share, do you? | 08:11 |
| kwwii | to be honest, I only have two cursors done until now...but once I have enough done to really show I will post them | 08:12 |
| Parkotron | Well, thanks anyway. Daylight saving time just happed here, some I'm now up really late plus an extra hour. Good night. | 08:14 |
| kwwii | night | 08:14 |
| robotgeek | night | 09:04 |
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| glick | hello | 10:19 |
| glick | is anyone up? | 10:19 |
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| kmon | KNetworkmanager works great here :) | 01:00 |
| Lure | kmon: great | 01:01 |
| kmon | my problem was that the bcm43xx kernel driver doesn't support wpa, wep with rate=54 | 01:01 |
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| raphink | http://kubuntu.org/ | 02:03 |
| raphink | amarok 3.3.6 ???!!!! | 02:03 |
| raphink | someone should correct that ;) | 02:03 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:03 |
| raphink | imo | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:03 |
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| Hobbsee | we're just going way into the future... | 02:03 |
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| Riddell | my poor little brain mixed up amarok and qt | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | poor riddell brain... | 02:08 |
| Riddell | we need more random kubuntu images for website stories | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | tell you what, i'll do the site if you do my maths test tomorrow :P | 02:09 |
| Riddell | maths is easy, especially with the groovy katapult calculator plugin | 02:10 |
| Riddell | resort to speedcrunch for advanced stuff | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | it's calculus though... | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | stuff i cant really do with a calculator... | 02:11 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: ;-) | 02:12 |
| tvo | hehe, guess I should add calculus to the katapult calculator plugin :p | 02:12 |
| === Hobbsee cant fly either! | ||
| === tvo continues studying numerical mathematics :/ | ||
| raphink | wow great | 02:15 |
| raphink | thanks Riddell for telling about the katapult calculator | 02:15 |
| raphink | however I don't call that maths ;) | 02:16 |
| Pygi | Lure: yay, n-m was mentioned in TUX | 02:16 |
| Pygi | altought not directly :-P | 02:16 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: what kind of calculus is it? | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: evil stuff - first year | 02:17 |
| raphink | evil stuff is not a subject I know of | 02:17 |
| raphink | I think I must have missed this one | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: what is your plan regarding knm - should we push for main? | 02:21 |
| Pygi | Lure: not yet I suggest... not until we have n-m 0.6.2 | 02:22 |
| Lure | n-m-gnome is in main and on Live CD, why should we do the same with Kubuntu Live CD | 02:23 |
| Lure | there will be always another bug to fix... | 02:23 |
| raphink | sure | 02:24 |
| raphink | and as Ploum suggested, we should get some bugs in Dapper | 02:24 |
| raphink | there are too few | 02:24 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:24 |
| Pygi | loool | 02:25 |
| Lure | exactly | 02:25 |
| === Pygi kills raphink ;) | ||
| raphink | Pygi: you didn't read the bug report? | 02:25 |
| Pygi | raphink: no? | 02:25 |
| raphink | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579 | 02:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Critical,Rejected] | 02:25 |
| Pygi | notice rejected | 02:26 |
| raphink | yep | 02:26 |
| raphink | of course, thankfully ;) | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 02:26 |
| raphink | someone noted that this bug conflicted with malone 1 | 02:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 02:26 |
| freeflying | why kaffeine can not stop screensaver when it play in fullscreeen mode | 02:27 |
| freeflying | raphink: hi | 02:27 |
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| raphink | hi freeflying | 02:29 |
| freeflying | raphink: you owe me a review ,hehe | 02:33 |
| kmon | freeflying: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/30018 | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30018 in kaffeine "screensaver starts while kaffeine is playing a film in fullscreen" [Normal,Confirmed] | 02:34 |
| kmon | someone suggested a solution in there | 02:35 |
| kmon | "the problem is to do with missing -lXtst at compile time" | 02:35 |
| kmon | so we need someone to try that and upload an updated package | 02:36 |
| freeflying | kmon: seems the build-dep need add something | 02:36 |
| raphink | freeflying: I don't remember owing you anything | 02:44 |
| freeflying | raphink: :) | 02:44 |
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| pradeepto | Riddell: around? | 03:38 |
| Lure | kwwii: around? | 04:02 |
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| mart | is it OK to copy a bug off launchpad and file it upstream? | 04:45 |
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| Tm_T | what bug | 04:47 |
| mart | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine/+bug/31633/ | 04:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31633 in gtk-qt-engine "emacs-snapshot-gtk unusable with gtk-qt-engine" [Normal,Confirmed] | 04:48 |
| mart | it's not mentioned in the freedesktop.org bugzilla | 04:48 |
| mart | so I guess they don't know about it | 04:48 |
| Tm_T | oh, bug out :) | 04:48 |
| Lure | mart: only if you are sure that bug is upstream... | 04:48 |
| Tm_T | yup | 04:48 |
| mart | Lure: how could I possibly tell? | 04:48 |
| mart | at least if I file it upstream they can check | 04:49 |
| Lure | first indication might be that ubuntu has older version than upstream | 04:49 |
| mart | really, I can't see them releasing anything past 0.6 | 04:49 |
| mart | which is the package I'm using. | 04:50 |
| mart | so....? | 04:51 |
| Lure | since ubuntu changes are not substantial, it is probably common bug | 04:51 |
| Lure | therefore it makes sense to request bug fix from upstream | 04:52 |
| mart | ok, I'll ask upstream if they are able to reproduce. | 04:52 |
| _Sime | Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) | 05:01 |
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| Lure | Riddell, raphink: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899 | 05:56 |
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| Lure_ | Riddell, kwwii: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154000&page=2 | 07:48 |
| kwwii | wow | 07:49 |
| kwwii | see how people take art personally | 07:49 |
| kwwii | he says he would never have made it GPL if he'd have known people were going to change it | 07:50 |
| kwwii | funny taht | 07:50 |
| kwwii | that | 07:50 |
| Lure_ | kwwii: btw, how can a fix my 1920x1200 wallpapers - I am showing my kubuntu to ppl and this is still an ugly issue | 07:50 |
| Lure_ | kwwii: true, some do not get GPL... | 07:51 |
| kwwii | I will have to make new versions of the wallpaper | 07:52 |
| kwwii | since I did them with bitmaps | 07:52 |
| kwwii | (the bubbles, I mean) | 07:53 |
| Lure_ | kwwii: can I replace them somehow (temporary fix)? | 07:53 |
| kwwii | Lure_: well, you could try to simply scale them with GIMP and see how they work | 07:54 |
| Lure_ | bubbles are not an issue, as they are stretched - t is more a KDM login screen and splash during login | 07:54 |
| kwwii | or, if you say "pretty please" I will make bigger ones tonight :-) | 07:54 |
| kwwii | well, the bg for that is really easy to change | 07:54 |
| Lure_ | kwwii: pretty please, please | 07:55 |
| kwwii | give me a few hours (to put my son to bed) and then I will take care of it | 07:55 |
| Lure_ | ok, thanks - probably easier fo you to just do it that explaining to me | 07:55 |
| Lure_ | ;-) | 07:55 |
| kwwii | yeah, it would save time | 07:59 |
| kwwii | so the kdm bg is the most important right now | 07:59 |
| kwwii | ? | 07:59 |
| Riddell | Lure_: kdm and ksplash should be ok | 07:59 |
| kwwii | Riddell: did you make a bigger version of the bg? | 07:59 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: not for 1920x1200 | 07:59 |
| kwwii | the orig was 1600x1200 which would not be scaled at bigger sizes | 08:00 |
| Lure_ | icons are now placed corectly, but background image (soft blue) is just 1600x1200, so I have some trash at right | 08:00 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png: PNG image data, 1600 x 1200, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced | 08:00 |
| Riddell | guess not | 08:00 |
| kwwii | I will take care of it | 08:00 |
| kwwii | it is only stripesw :-) | 08:01 |
| kwwii | stripes | 08:01 |
| kwwii | Riddell: should I send a mail to JBUS about the kdm, etc? | 08:01 |
| kwwii | I really knew nothing about the whole situation and I hate that someone is angry | 08:02 |
| Riddell | kwwii: it's the first I've heard of it. if you think you can be diplomatic enough then do contact him | 08:02 |
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| Tonio_ | hello :) | 09:34 |
| Riddell | salut Tonio_ | 09:37 |
| Lure | hi Tonio_ | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | bonjour Riddell | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | hi Lure :) | 09:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: any ideas why antialiasing and mouse cursor themes are broken in flight 6? | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are they ? | 09:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899 | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't test flight6 | 09:40 |
| Riddell | on new installs yes, but not on upgraded ones | 09:40 |
| Riddell | I've run out of ideas on what's caused them both | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will test... | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: does flight6 contains 3.5.2 ? | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes I agree, we at least should have beta version of cups....... | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: sounds strange having an outdated svn version | 09:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: who is doing cups in Ubuntu? | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: pitty | 09:42 |
| Riddell | Lure: pitti | 09:42 |
| Riddell | I've pointed the recent blog out to him | 09:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I am just concerned that new version will not help with kdeprint - and old cups is just used as excuse | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | sorry for the bad name :) | 09:42 |
| Lure | ;) | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, but we can ask for something to kde devs if we have a beta version, not an svn..... | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: unless I'm wrong | 09:43 |
| Riddell | the kdeprint maintainer knows about the problem and has been promising to fix it since august | 09:45 |
| kwwii | hrm, I forgot my wiki login :-( | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: technically, a flight 5 up to date with 3.5.2 should give the same result than a flight 6 when using a virgin profile | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm trying to reproduce | 09:45 |
| kwwii | Lure: I made a 1920x1200 version for kdm | 09:46 |
| Lure | print seems to major grief by new users of dapper | 09:46 |
| Lure | kwwii: thank you!!! | 09:46 |
| kwwii | Lure: but my screen is so small that I am not 100% sure that it is exactly the same as the one before :-) you'll have to test it | 09:46 |
| Lure | kwwii: ;-) | 09:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's what I thought, so I installed flight 5 and upgraded qt then kde then everything else, and it still had no problems with anti-aliasing | 09:47 |
| Riddell | kwwii: it's your e-mail address used in launchpad | 09:47 |
| Lure | kwwii: you can reset password in lauchpad | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: problem with the building of flight6 ? | 09:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, can't be | 09:48 |
| Riddell | you can turn on antialiasing easily enough | 09:48 |
| kwwii | thankfully I only have three different email accounts and 6 passwords | 09:48 |
| kwwii | my sixth try worked :-) | 09:48 |
| kwwii | I'll put the pic, and the svg on the wiki | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the difference can be the default kde config files maybe | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | when you install flight5 and upgrade, you should have differences on that point | 09:49 |
| Riddell | yep, but I was deleteing everything in the home directory on each try | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: weird...... | 09:50 |
| Riddell | very | 09:50 |
| === Lure hides - raphink is banging on #ubuntu-devel with his core-dev hat regarding cups... ;) | ||
| Tonio_ | okay, let's burn flight6 | 09:52 |
| raphink | bah | 09:53 |
| raphink | pitti is not there anyway | 09:53 |
| Lure | raphink: ;-) | 09:53 |
| === Tonio_ is missing a blank cd at home....... | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will test this week.... we can correct the problem in k-d-s anyway even if we don't understand it | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: by adding the required values to reactivate antialiasing | 09:54 |
| Riddell | yeah it may come to that. the weird thing is that kdm and ksplash seem to be fine, it's only after ksplash that apps don't use antialiasing | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can I make main inclusion report for knetworkmanager ? | 09:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes please! | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: doing :) | 09:55 |
| kwwii | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: nice :) | 09:57 |
| raphink | kwwii: if you have things to upload iin k-d-s, I need to change the background back | 09:57 |
| raphink | so please ask ;) | 09:58 |
| raphink | so I don't have to make just a version to revert | 09:58 |
| kwwii | raphink: not sure I understand you | 09:58 |
| raphink | kwwii: k-d-s currently has the 1st april wallpaper | 09:58 |
| Riddell | raphink: kwwii has no upload rights | 09:58 |
| raphink | so if you have new stuff to upload | 09:58 |
| kwwii | ahhhh, gotcha | 09:58 |
| raphink | tell me | 09:58 |
| raphink | so I don' thave to make a new version just to revert the wallpaper to previous | 09:58 |
| kwwii | oh no, I'll tell Riddell and let him sort it out P) | 09:59 |
| Lure | Riddell, kwwii: remind me - where is background located? | 09:59 |
| kwwii | raphink: ahh, yeah, might be easier for everyone if you do it | 09:59 |
| Riddell | Lure: which one? | 09:59 |
| Lure | raphink: this is just login wallpaper | 09:59 |
| Lure | kdm login screen and ksplash | 10:00 |
| kwwii | Lure: easiest of all is: http://bootsplash.org/kdm-bg2-wide.png | 10:00 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/apps/{ksplash,kdm} | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did someone else but you confirm that antialiasing bug ? | 10:00 |
| kwwii | Lure: oops, as in, in the system you meant...sorry | 10:01 |
| Lure | kwwii: no pb, just want to try before raphink packages it... ;-) | 10:01 |
| raphink | hehe | 10:01 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:01 |
| kwwii | test it, my monitor is not that big | 10:01 |
| kwwii | definitely test it first | 10:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes had one other complaint | 10:02 |
| kwwii | if the thing is scaled in any way we need to remove it | 10:02 |
| kwwii | scaling stripes is evil | 10:02 |
| Riddell | kwwii: that image is cropped, not scaled | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I will focuss on this tomorrow, when I bought some cds :) | 10:02 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yeah, and until someone with a monitor that bigs tells me that it works I still won't sleep well :-) | 10:03 |
| seth | is that a bigger version of the stripe wallpaper than we have now? | 10:03 |
| seth | my 1680x1050 monitor has a black strip because the stripe wallpaper isn't big enough | 10:03 |
| kwwii | seth: well, that should be fixed with my new version :-) | 10:04 |
| seth | great :-) | 10:04 |
| kwwii | seth: test it and tell us! | 10:04 |
| seth | is it in the archive? | 10:04 |
| mornfall | [snipped a pageful of "rewrite all package systems on all distributions" style wish] "I'm happy to help (by thinking through problems) whoever wants to tackle this (if anyone), but I don't have time to do any coding myself." | 10:04 |
| Lure | seth: exactly, but yours is is only 80 pixels wide (I suppose), mine is 320... | 10:04 |
| kwwii | seth: nope, you gotta do it per hand | 10:04 |
| seth | mmkay | 10:04 |
| seth | Lure, yeah, it looks to be about 80-100 px, so if the old one was 1600 and this one is 1920, we're golden | 10:05 |
| === seth tests | ||
| seth | while I test, free cookie to anyone who tells me why my bcm43xx is broken (but knetworkmanager is working great, so props to that team) | 10:05 |
| Lure | kwwii: ppl are asking if new theme would also have a name (like kubuntu 6.06) in order to be able to switch back | 10:06 |
| Lure | similarly, some would like to have breezy defaults still available as another theme | 10:06 |
| kwwii | Lure: that would be a great idea | 10:06 |
| kwwii | can't think of a new name atm though :-( | 10:07 |
| Lure | you know ppl - they get used to something and do not want to switch | 10:07 |
| kwwii | I guess the idea of this is that we wanted it to match crystal better | 10:07 |
| === Lure likes defaults - even more if they change each release ;-) | ||
| kwwii | bring out more of the bling from crystal | 10:07 |
| Lure | kwwii: do not get me wrong - lot's of ppl like new bling (now that crystal is now CPU hungry anymore) | 10:08 |
| kwwii | well, the crystal window deco still needs some work...I really meant the crystal icon theme | 10:09 |
| kwwii | I am not a big fan of the window deco myself | 10:09 |
| Lure | interesting: kdm uses png, ksplash .jpg | 10:09 |
| kwwii | but I understand the idea of making the best out of what kde has to offer now | 10:09 |
| kwwii | now that is messed up | 10:09 |
| kwwii | the file is like 28KB as png | 10:10 |
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| kwwii | it must be three times that size as jpeg | 10:10 |
| kwwii | or more | 10:10 |
| Lure | I will just use .png as all files are png otherwise (just need to fix Theme.rc | 10:10 |
| kwwii | yepp, best idea | 10:10 |
| kwwii | it is striped solid colors so it should not be a problem as png | 10:10 |
| Lure | kwwii: jpg was 287k (for 1600x1200) - I can imagine that stripes cost in fractals... ;-) | 10:11 |
| === Lure will logout to try new background | ||
| kwwii | exactly :-) | 10:13 |
| kwwii | I take that back about it being 28KB as png...it is only 11 | 10:17 |
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| Lure | kwwii: it worked for ksplash, but not sure if kdm is caching is somewhere :-( | 10:18 |
| kwwii | yes, it is, if I remeber correctly | 10:19 |
| kwwii | Riddell: ! | 10:20 |
| Lure | kwwii: I know for kspash cache, this is why it works ;-) | 10:21 |
| kwwii | the honest truth is that I am not sure cause I have worked with suse systems for the last 7 years | 10:22 |
| kwwii | I know that suse caches it in the boot stuff to make it start quicker (theoretically) | 10:22 |
| kwwii | but bootsplash != usplash | 10:22 |
| Lure | kwwii: there is also install splash (we still have old one - I have added it to todo wiki) | 10:23 |
| Lure | ;-) | 10:23 |
| Lure | kwwii: problem is that I cannot find single file with same size as old wallpaper for kdm :-( | 10:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you know if kdm also caches background image and where? | 10:24 |
| kwwii | hehe | 10:25 |
| Lure | kwwii: it is not cached, but kubuntu.xml has 1600 as width set! | 10:25 |
| kwwii | the install splash is instsys stuff, or? | 10:26 |
| _Sime | Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) | 10:26 |
| kwwii | Lure: lol, it is sometimes easier than you would guess | 10:26 |
| Lure | kwwii: I think install splash is in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package | 10:26 |
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| kwwii | yepp gfxboot, I know that stuff pretty well | 10:27 |
| Lure | _Sime: you are fast! | 10:27 |
| kwwii | steffen is the maintainer if I am not mistaken (my ex-collegue at suse) | 10:27 |
| _Sime | Lure: there are still outstanding bugs. But it is anyway time to get a new release out and tested. | 10:28 |
| Riddell | _Sime: rocking | 10:28 |
| Lure | _Sime, kwwii: I will still have issue with huge fonts in kdm login screen | 10:29 |
| Lure | I think problem is that displayconfig script to fix dpi for fonts starts after login | 10:29 |
| _Sime | true | 10:29 |
| kwwii | so do we *really* need a 1920 bg for the desktop? it means making two different pics | 10:29 |
| Lure | or we just use too huge fonts for kdm (however I do not see much other complaints) | 10:30 |
| kwwii | Lure: sounds about right | 10:30 |
| Riddell | kwwii: why two different pics? | 10:30 |
| kwwii | no, the normal fonts are ok in size | 10:30 |
| kwwii | Riddell: well, I cannot simply scale one or the other | 10:30 |
| Lure | kwwii: scaled background does not look that bad, just bubbles are wide | 10:30 |
| Lure | ;-) | 10:30 |
| kwwii | so the smaller one *might* be a crop fo the bigger one, but that might not looks so good | 10:31 |
| kwwii | Lure: yeah, wide bubbles suck | 10:31 |
| kwwii | s/fo/of | 10:31 |
| Lure | kwwii: not that bad (I got used to them) | 10:31 |
| kwwii | hehe :-) | 10:31 |
| Lure | problem is that raphink's konqi also got on weight a bit ;-) | 10:32 |
| Lure | _Sime: any way to start your script before kdm login script? | 10:33 |
| Lure | I would at least try to see if it would help | 10:33 |
| Riddell | hmm, I thought I'd deleted the debian directory in guidance | 10:34 |
| Riddell | guess not | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: need to send an email to the ML or is that done automatically ? | 10:35 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: wrong spelling | 10:36 |
| Pygi | reviewed buy MOTUs | 10:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: maybe mention that it is included in SLED 10.1 | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | oups....... Pygi thanks :) | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes good point :) | 10:36 |
| Pygi | yw Tonio_ | 10:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks for pushing this forward | 10:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: add it to the unreviewed section in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue | 10:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: schedule your day tommorow for 0.6.2 helping me ^_^ | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done | 10:38 |
| _Sime | Lure: kdm might have a way of running a script after it starts up... | 10:38 |
| Lure | related question - can we get rid or kwifimanager from kubuntu-desktop - it just gives false hopes to users | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I will :) | 10:38 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: thank you ^_^ | 10:38 |
| Lure | _Sime: will research this a bit as I think this would be best way to address this issue | 10:39 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes, when wlassistant gets in | 10:39 |
| kwwii | Riddell: so are we sticking to the crystal theme for now? (ie. should I continue working on buttons for crystal?) | 10:39 |
| Lure | Riddell: great - is wlassistant already on the way to main? | 10:40 |
| kwwii | window-deco, I mean, of course | 10:40 |
| _Sime | Lure: if you just want consistent font sizes in kdm, then maybe a simple script that sets Xft.DPI with xrdb might be enough. | 10:40 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yes, crystal win deco is the plan | 10:40 |
| Riddell | _Sime: we could add it to the X server args in kdmrc | 10:41 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: add http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=knetworkmanager&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED | 10:41 |
| Riddell | as upstream bug tracker | 10:41 |
| _Sime | Riddell: you can certainly try. ;-) but it might cause regessions for some people who want real X DPIs. | 10:41 |
| Riddell | _Sime: yes, just realised that | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? I wasn't sure for this ;) | 10:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: I think bugzilla.novell.com would be more appropriate | 10:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: this is where "Report bug" action i n knm points | 10:42 |
| Lure | but I cannot find simple way to filter only knm related issues | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm checking | 10:44 |
| Riddell | Lure: well spotted | 10:44 |
| Riddell | https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=knetworkmanager | 10:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you need only open issues? | 10:45 |
| Lure | most are fixed on this list | 10:45 |
| kwwii | Riddell: tomorrow I will work on the Ubuntu Usplash first, to get that out of the way, then I either do buttons or backgrounds | 10:46 |
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| Lure | kwwii: kdm login now ok - thanks | 10:49 |
| Lure | kwwii: just need to fix the font size - "Menu" text is currently larger than button | 10:49 |
| kwwii | Lure: cool :-) | 10:50 |
| Lure | raphink: will you package new wallpaper for kdm and ksplash? | 10:50 |
| jjesse | is there a reason the krita manual is not included ? | 10:50 |
| Lure | two things to watch: | 10:50 |
| Lure | 1. change Background.jpg to Background.png for ksplash (need to change Theme.rc too) | 10:51 |
| Lure | 2. kdm requires to change width from 1600 to 1920 in kubuntu.xml | 10:51 |
| Lure | all the rest is just replacing the Background.png and kubuntu-wallpaper.pnd with the one kwwii put in wiki | 10:52 |
| Riddell | _Sime: new guidance all working | 10:52 |
| === Lure has one firefox question - I hope I will not be banned by konqurer fans ;-) | ||
| Lure | how is KDE stopping apps on logout - firefox is always recovering session after crash (indicating that it was killed the hard way) | 10:54 |
| Lure | I think it is probably firefox issue, but would like to understand this better before submitting bug | 10:55 |
| _Sime | Riddell: are you going throw the new package directly into dapper repos.? | 10:55 |
| Riddell | _Sime: that's the plan | 10:55 |
| _Sime | Riddell: ok... maybe it is a good idea to test a bit first with some of the people here. | 10:56 |
| === Lure always ready for new kde-guidance | ||
| Riddell | I don't have a 386 build | 10:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: give use sources... | 10:57 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/guidance/ | 10:58 |
| jjesse | sorry for the stupid question, but what is guidance? | 11:01 |
| kwwii | hehe, I was just thinking the same thing :-) | 11:01 |
| Riddell | _Sime and sebas's rocking set of configuration tools | 11:01 |
| kmon | http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ | 11:02 |
| Riddell | which sit in systemsettings and are written in python | 11:02 |
| jjesse | is it something i need to add to the release notes and book chapter? | 11:02 |
| kwwii | nifty | 11:02 |
| Riddell | yep, especially the new displayconfig module | 11:02 |
| kmon | jjesse: I think yes. It's a rocking kubuntu feature | 11:03 |
| jjesse | kmon: ok, will need to play with it then :( | 11:03 |
| kmon | jjesse: Your are working on the official ubuntu book? | 11:04 |
| Lure | _Sime: can I count on you to write also module for kpowersave config? ;-) | 11:04 |
| kmon | I mean, you are involved? | 11:04 |
| jjesse | kmon: yes writing the kubuntu chapter for the book | 11:04 |
| kmon | :) | 11:04 |
| kmon | only 1 chapter? | 11:04 |
| jjesse | yup only 1 chapter | 11:05 |
| kmon | how many chapters does gnome have? :P | 11:05 |
| jjesse | well there are 13 if i recall correctly | 11:05 |
| Lure | kmon: too many - since it is meant to limit the user | 11:05 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:06 |
| jjesse | one that covers kubuntu, one that covers the ubuntu desktop, one that covers ubuntu as a server, one that covers other projects | 11:06 |
| jjesse | don't remember exactly all of them | 11:06 |
| kmon | ok | 11:06 |
| kmon | I've read it will be released as a free book as well... | 11:06 |
| kmon | is that true? | 11:06 |
| _Sime | Lure: I don't know much about kpowersave. But seriously, I am interesting in hearing about where Kubuntu is weak with respect to configuration. | 11:07 |
| jjesse | i think they will put it on a wiki that will allow you to edit it and keep it up to date | 11:07 |
| _Sime | Lure: configuring scanners??? is that covered? | 11:07 |
| === kwwii sleeps now...cya tomorrow | ||
| Lure | _Sime: do not know for scanners, but kpowersave config is currently only in yast2 :-( | 11:07 |
| Lure | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave | 11:08 |
| kmon | the klaptop options to configure performance don't work here. Is that a known bug? | 11:08 |
| Lure | if we want to replace klaptopdaemon one day (hope soon), we will need config tool | 11:08 |
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| Lure | kmon: they do not work for me too | 11:09 |
| Lure | maybe it is APM stuff - very hard to say | 11:09 |
| kmon | I remember that gnome's cpu freq applet didn't work out of the box unless you chmod a file.... | 11:09 |
| kmon | maybe klaptop needs something similar? | 11:10 |
| Lure | kmon: which file? | 11:10 |
| kmon | Lure: can't remember :( | 11:10 |
| kmon | I'll ask google... | 11:10 |
| kmon | Lure: http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive42-2005-8-226342.html | 11:11 |
| kmon | second post | 11:11 |
| kmon | chown root:root /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector | 11:11 |
| kmon | chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector | 11:11 |
| Lure | kmon: that is hell of a dirty hack | 11:12 |
| kmon | yes | 11:12 |
| kmon | hehe | 11:12 |
| Lure | kmon: I just prefer powersaved | 11:12 |
| kmon | Lure: do you know when kpowersave will release 0.6 final? | 11:16 |
| Lure | before end of april for sure (when SLED 10.1 is released) | 11:16 |
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| kmon | Lure: found this link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-88836.html related to configure klaptop | 11:24 |
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| verwilst | anybody using nvidia with dualscreen? :) | 11:25 |
| Riddell | hello mindglow | 11:25 |
| Lure | kmon: ok, that is normal - nothing works if you do not configure helper app for klaptop | 11:25 |
| kmon | yup | 11:26 |
| Lure | _Sime, Riddell: testing kde-guidance 0.6.4: Display applet fixed, UID bug fixed... | 11:31 |
| Riddell | groovy, thanks Lure | 11:33 |
| Lure | one thing (unrelated): were icons in "Admin mode" password window always stretched? | 11:34 |
| Lure | or did I noticed this now for the first time | 11:34 |
| Riddell | I think they always have been | 11:35 |
| Lure | but it looks like only for guidance modules... | 11:36 |
| Lure | looks ok for adept_updater, Printers.... | 11:36 |
| Riddell | yeah, guidance should include larger icons | 11:37 |
| Lure | it is funny, since I could say that icons size is the same in System setting as well as in password dialog | 11:37 |
| Lure | just do not know why they get resized in that dialog... | 11:37 |
| Riddell | no, password dialogue uses larger icons | 11:38 |
| === Lure has reinstalled his last Breezy system (my work partition) - Riddel will need to find new tester for backports ;-) | ||
| === Lure expect Dapper to rock from now on as he depends on it now! | ||
| Lure | is this ok: | 11:41 |
| Lure | sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy | 11:41 |
| Lure | sorry: | 11:41 |
| Lure | Installing new version of config file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore ... | 11:41 |
| Lure | System startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist. | 11:41 |
| Riddell | that's fine | 11:41 |
| Lure | shouldn't we always overwrite? | 11:41 |
| Lure | this is why I still had S17 istead of S37 (or whatever) since I cannot install Flight 5/6 (only 4 works) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | it just uses the normal debian alternatives programmes | 11:42 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I don't suppose you have a copy of 0.3.4? | 11:46 |
| mornfall | 0.3.4 of? | 11:46 |
| mornfall | af? | 11:46 |
| Riddell | liapt-front | 11:47 |
| mornfall | hmm, i apparently have 0.3.5 | 11:47 |
| mornfall | what's in breezy? | 11:48 |
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| mornfall | 0.3.3 -- interesting | 11:48 |
| Riddell | 0.3.3 | 11:48 |
| Riddell | too old for this debtags | 11:48 |
| Riddell | and 0.3.5 doesn't seem to compile | 11:49 |
| mornfall | let's see | 11:49 |
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| Riddell | or otherwise how do I checkout from svn for a specific date | 11:51 |
| mornfall | Riddell: should be -r561 | 11:52 |
| Riddell | ok | 11:55 |
| === mornfall has seen a flurry of octet-stream bugreports over weekend | ||
| === Lure has closed two duplicates at least... ;-) | ||
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| mornfall | also note 37696 -- i dunnow what with that | 11:57 |
| kmon | mornfall: do you have a gdebi qt interface planned for adept? | 11:58 |
| mornfall | gdebi? wth? | 11:58 |
| kmon | the tool in gnome for installing single debs | 11:58 |
| mornfall | no, it was dropped for dapper as not important | 11:58 |
| Lure | mornfall: this is a hard one... :-( | 11:58 |
| kmon | mornfall: ok | 11:58 |
| Lure | is it notmal for pre/post scripts to be interactive? | 11:59 |
| Lure | s/notmal/allowed/ | 11:59 |
| mornfall | Lure: debian policy guarantees that they have a controlling terminal | 11:59 |
| mornfall | Lure: but it recommends using debconf | 11:59 |
| mornfall | Lure: and adept in turn Recommends: libqt-perl so we have kdebconf | 12:00 |
| mornfall | Lure: which is ignored in kubuntu | 12:00 |
| Lure | mornfall: maybe we should check how others (synaptic, kpackage...) are doing it | 12:00 |
| mornfall | Lure: kpackage? hah | 12:00 |
| mornfall | Lure: kpackage freezes | 12:00 |
| Lure | ;-) | 12:00 |
| mornfall | hmm, i was thinking kynaptic | 12:00 |
| mornfall | no kpackage has terminal | 12:00 |
| mornfall | and synaptic has terminal too, but probably hidden by default | 12:00 |
| mornfall | dunno | 12:00 |
| mornfall | it probably makes sure gdebconf is available and used | 12:00 |
| mornfall | that catches >90% of cases | 12:01 |
| mornfall | most of the rest will be non-ucf conffile prompts | 12:01 |
| mornfall | which can be done since dpkg prompts for it | 12:01 |
| mornfall | that'd cover 99% of cases | 12:01 |
| Riddell | mornfall: bah, still breaks debtags compile http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636599 | 12:01 |
| mornfall | but that'd require promoting libqt-perl | 12:02 |
| Riddell | gdebi has a terminal, it's one of the things that would make it hard to port | 12:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: you are compiling with wrong libapt-front (definitely not 0.3.4) | 12:03 |
| mornfall | Riddell: looks a lot newer (at that point, entity::Package was not even a template at all) | 12:03 |
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