=== jshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.251] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.146] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-106.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@155.229.229.162] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@155.229.229.162] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034210059.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@155.229.229.162] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] bah [07:13] network-manager-kde is working great [07:13] but my wireless doesn't work right now [07:14] it scans, but can't connect === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:32] kwwii: good morning === faked [n=faked@83-65-239-207.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] sooo, /me starts working on the dapper artwork todo === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] kwwii: Are there plans for a new default icon theme for Kubuntu? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] Parkotron: nope, but there are plans to make a few icons which were missing [07:57] hi kwwii [07:57] check out the wiki page for the list of things toDo until now [07:57] hi Hobbsee [07:57] which wiki page is this? [07:58] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo [07:59] ah yes [08:00] the first thing I will work on is the usplash stuff [08:01] yay! [08:02] kwwii: Sorry, I meant to say a new CURSOR theme. [08:02] I realise that Dapper is fast approaching, so I don't expect anything to happen soon, but I really think Kubuntu could use some new cursors. [08:03] Parkotron: well, that is on the list :-) [08:03] Really? I really like the cursor theme [08:03] The Ubuntu Human ones are nice, but they're quite Gnomish. [08:03] simple and clean [08:03] they are the best ones we have now, imho [08:04] but they could fit beter with the KDE look and feel [08:04] They could also stand to have a bigger version. On high resolution displays, they can look awfully small. [08:09] Personally I'd like to see something like Pinux's Tux Cursors (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506&PHPSESSID=9ce6a9d6dc6598761e7ea68f43bea9dd) but they would definately need some changes. [08:09] well, I already started work on a new default cursor theme for KDE which includes a bigger version [08:09] Excellent. [08:09] Are they svg based? [08:10] everything I do is SVG based :-) [08:10] but the small pics are pretty much redrawn by hand when necessary [08:11] Understandable. You wouldn't happen to have a sample you'd be willing to share, do you? [08:12] to be honest, I only have two cursors done until now...but once I have enough done to really show I will post them [08:14] Well, thanks anyway. Daylight saving time just happed here, some I'm now up really late plus an extra hour. Good night. [08:14] night [09:04] night === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nael [n=nael@ppp-71-139-201-168.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nael [n=nael@ppp-71-139-201-168.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-201-168.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD95088C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.146] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz_ [n=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-232.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:19] hello [10:19] is anyone up? === faked [n=faked@83-65-239-119.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-232.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz [n=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@pD95088C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked_ [n=faked@83-65-239-119.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked_ [n=faked@83-65-239-119.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp85-adsl-237.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [01:00] KNetworkmanager works great here :) [01:01] kmon: great [01:01] my problem was that the bcm43xx kernel driver doesn't support wpa, wep with rate=54 === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-52-10.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F768E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] http://kubuntu.org/ [02:03] amarok 3.3.6 ???!!!! [02:03] someone should correct that ;) [02:03] ;) [02:03] imo [02:03] hehe === My8os [n=My8os@ppp85-adsl-237.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [02:03] we're just going way into the future... === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:08] my poor little brain mixed up amarok and qt [02:08] hehe [02:08] poor riddell brain... [02:08] we need more random kubuntu images for website stories [02:09] tell you what, i'll do the site if you do my maths test tomorrow :P [02:10] maths is easy, especially with the groovy katapult calculator plugin [02:10] resort to speedcrunch for advanced stuff [02:10] hehe [02:11] it's calculus though... [02:11] stuff i cant really do with a calculator... === Hobbsee throws more seeds out of her dinner - i'm not a bird, for goodness sake!!!! [02:12] Hobbsee: ;-) [02:12] hehe, guess I should add calculus to the katapult calculator plugin :p === Hobbsee cant fly either! === tvo continues studying numerical mathematics :/ [02:15] wow great [02:15] thanks Riddell for telling about the katapult calculator [02:16] however I don't call that maths ;) [02:16] Lure: yay, n-m was mentioned in TUX [02:16] altought not directly :-P [02:17] Hobbsee: what kind of calculus is it? [02:17] raphink: evil stuff - first year [02:17] evil stuff is not a subject I know of [02:17] I think I must have missed this one [02:18] hehe [02:21] Riddell: what is your plan regarding knm - should we push for main? [02:22] Lure: not yet I suggest... not until we have n-m 0.6.2 [02:23] n-m-gnome is in main and on Live CD, why should we do the same with Kubuntu Live CD [02:23] there will be always another bug to fix... [02:24] sure [02:24] and as Ploum suggested, we should get some bugs in Dapper [02:24] there are too few [02:24] ;) [02:25] loool [02:25] exactly === Pygi kills raphink ;) [02:25] Pygi: you didn't read the bug report? [02:25] raphink: no? [02:25] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579 [02:25] Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Critical,Rejected] [02:26] notice rejected [02:26] yep [02:26] of course, thankfully ;) [02:26] lol [02:26] someone noted that this bug conflicted with malone 1 [02:26] Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [02:27] why kaffeine can not stop screensaver when it play in fullscreeen mode [02:27] raphink: hi === genioreal [n=carlos@pc-65-35-241-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] hi freeflying [02:33] raphink: you owe me a review ,hehe [02:34] freeflying: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/30018 [02:34] Malone bug 30018 in kaffeine "screensaver starts while kaffeine is playing a film in fullscreen" [Normal,Confirmed] [02:35] someone suggested a solution in there [02:35] "the problem is to do with missing -lXtst at compile time" [02:36] so we need someone to try that and upload an updated package [02:36] kmon: seems the build-dep need add something [02:44] freeflying: I don't remember owing you anything [02:44] raphink: :) === jtshaw [n=jtshaw@65.207.116.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-168.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:38] Riddell: around? [04:02] kwwii: around? === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-8-249.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked [n=faked@83-65-239-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked_ [n=faked@83-65-239-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === mikeblamires [n=mikeblam@adsl-83-100-181-65.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mart [n=mart@socksgw1.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] is it OK to copy a bug off launchpad and file it upstream? === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] what bug [04:48] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine/+bug/31633/ [04:48] Malone bug 31633 in gtk-qt-engine "emacs-snapshot-gtk unusable with gtk-qt-engine" [Normal,Confirmed] [04:48] it's not mentioned in the freedesktop.org bugzilla [04:48] so I guess they don't know about it [04:48] oh, bug out :) [04:48] mart: only if you are sure that bug is upstream... [04:48] yup [04:48] Lure: how could I possibly tell? [04:49] at least if I file it upstream they can check [04:49] first indication might be that ubuntu has older version than upstream [04:49] really, I can't see them releasing anything past 0.6 [04:50] which is the package I'm using. [04:51] so....? [04:51] since ubuntu changes are not substantial, it is probably common bug [04:52] therefore it makes sense to request bug fix from upstream [04:52] ok, I'll ask upstream if they are able to reproduce. [05:01] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-168.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-168.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp105-adsl-131.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-168.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Flosoft [n=admin@65.128-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Flosoft [n=admin@65.128-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] Riddell, raphink: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899 === mart [n=mart@socksgw1.ncl.ac.uk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-232-196.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jtshaw@65.207.116.251] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === My8os [n=My8os@ppp105-adsl-131.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-41.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-14-41.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:48] Riddell, kwwii: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154000&page=2 [07:49] wow [07:49] see how people take art personally [07:50] he says he would never have made it GPL if he'd have known people were going to change it [07:50] funny taht [07:50] that [07:50] kwwii: btw, how can a fix my 1920x1200 wallpapers - I am showing my kubuntu to ppl and this is still an ugly issue [07:51] kwwii: true, some do not get GPL... [07:52] I will have to make new versions of the wallpaper [07:52] since I did them with bitmaps [07:53] (the bubbles, I mean) [07:53] kwwii: can I replace them somehow (temporary fix)? [07:54] Lure_: well, you could try to simply scale them with GIMP and see how they work [07:54] bubbles are not an issue, as they are stretched - t is more a KDM login screen and splash during login [07:54] or, if you say "pretty please" I will make bigger ones tonight :-) [07:54] well, the bg for that is really easy to change [07:55] kwwii: pretty please, please [07:55] give me a few hours (to put my son to bed) and then I will take care of it [07:55] ok, thanks - probably easier fo you to just do it that explaining to me [07:55] ;-) [07:59] yeah, it would save time [07:59] so the kdm bg is the most important right now [07:59] ? [07:59] Lure_: kdm and ksplash should be ok [07:59] Riddell: did you make a bigger version of the bg? [07:59] Riddell: not for 1920x1200 [08:00] the orig was 1600x1200 which would not be scaled at bigger sizes [08:00] icons are now placed corectly, but background image (soft blue) is just 1600x1200, so I have some trash at right [08:00] /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png: PNG image data, 1600 x 1200, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced [08:00] guess not [08:00] I will take care of it [08:01] it is only stripesw :-) [08:01] stripes [08:01] Riddell: should I send a mail to JBUS about the kdm, etc? [08:02] I really knew nothing about the whole situation and I hate that someone is angry [08:02] kwwii: it's the first I've heard of it. if you think you can be diplomatic enough then do contact him === Lure_ is now known as Lure === hunger [n=tobias@p54A645C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked_ [n=faked@83-65-232-168.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked [n=faked@83-65-232-168.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked_ [n=faked@83-65-232-168.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #kubuntu-devel ["http://linux-weblog.de"] === _jdong [n=jdong@d192-24-132-154.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:34] hello :) [09:37] salut Tonio_ [09:38] hi Tonio_ [09:39] bonjour Riddell [09:39] hi Lure :) [09:39] Tonio_: any ideas why antialiasing and mouse cursor themes are broken in flight 6? [09:40] Riddell: are they ? [09:40] Tonio_: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899 [09:40] I didn't test flight6 [09:40] on new installs yes, but not on upgraded ones [09:40] I've run out of ideas on what's caused them both [09:40] Riddell: I will test... [09:41] Riddell: does flight6 contains 3.5.2 ? [09:41] Lure: yes I agree, we at least should have beta version of cups....... [09:41] Lure: sounds strange having an outdated svn version [09:41] Riddell: who is doing cups in Ubuntu? [09:42] Lure: pitty [09:42] Lure: pitti [09:42] I've pointed the recent blog out to him [09:42] Tonio_: I am just concerned that new version will not help with kdeprint - and old cups is just used as excuse [09:42] sorry for the bad name :) [09:42] ;) [09:42] Lure: yes, but we can ask for something to kde devs if we have a beta version, not an svn..... [09:43] Lure: unless I'm wrong [09:45] the kdeprint maintainer knows about the problem and has been promising to fix it since august [09:45] hrm, I forgot my wiki login :-( [09:45] Riddell: technically, a flight 5 up to date with 3.5.2 should give the same result than a flight 6 when using a virgin profile [09:45] Riddell: I'm trying to reproduce [09:46] Lure: I made a 1920x1200 version for kdm [09:46] print seems to major grief by new users of dapper [09:46] kwwii: thank you!!! [09:46] Lure: but my screen is so small that I am not 100% sure that it is exactly the same as the one before :-) you'll have to test it [09:46] kwwii: ;-) [09:47] Tonio_: that's what I thought, so I installed flight 5 and upgraded qt then kde then everything else, and it still had no problems with anti-aliasing [09:47] kwwii: it's your e-mail address used in launchpad [09:47] kwwii: you can reset password in lauchpad [09:47] Riddell: problem with the building of flight6 ? [09:48] Tonio_: no, can't be [09:48] you can turn on antialiasing easily enough [09:48] thankfully I only have three different email accounts and 6 passwords [09:48] my sixth try worked :-) [09:48] I'll put the pic, and the svg on the wiki [09:49] Riddell: the difference can be the default kde config files maybe [09:49] when you install flight5 and upgrade, you should have differences on that point [09:49] yep, but I was deleteing everything in the home directory on each try [09:50] Riddell: weird...... [09:50] very === Lure hides - raphink is banging on #ubuntu-devel with his core-dev hat regarding cups... ;) [09:52] okay, let's burn flight6 [09:53] bah [09:53] pitti is not there anyway [09:53] raphink: ;-) === Tonio_ is missing a blank cd at home....... [09:54] Riddell: will test this week.... we can correct the problem in k-d-s anyway even if we don't understand it [09:54] Riddell: by adding the required values to reactivate antialiasing [09:55] yeah it may come to that. the weird thing is that kdm and ksplash seem to be fine, it's only after ksplash that apps don't use antialiasing [09:55] Riddell: can I make main inclusion report for knetworkmanager ? [09:55] Tonio_: yes please! [09:55] Riddell: doing :) [09:56] http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen [09:57] kwwii: nice :) [09:57] kwwii: if you have things to upload iin k-d-s, I need to change the background back [09:58] so please ask ;) [09:58] so I don't have to make just a version to revert [09:58] raphink: not sure I understand you [09:58] kwwii: k-d-s currently has the 1st april wallpaper [09:58] raphink: kwwii has no upload rights [09:58] so if you have new stuff to upload [09:58] ahhhh, gotcha [09:58] tell me [09:58] so I don' thave to make a new version just to revert the wallpaper to previous [09:59] oh no, I'll tell Riddell and let him sort it out P) [09:59] Riddell, kwwii: remind me - where is background located? [09:59] raphink: ahh, yeah, might be easier for everyone if you do it [09:59] Lure: which one? [09:59] raphink: this is just login wallpaper [10:00] kdm login screen and ksplash [10:00] Lure: easiest of all is: http://bootsplash.org/kdm-bg2-wide.png [10:00] /usr/share/apps/{ksplash,kdm} [10:00] Riddell: did someone else but you confirm that antialiasing bug ? [10:01] Lure: oops, as in, in the system you meant...sorry [10:01] kwwii: no pb, just want to try before raphink packages it... ;-) [10:01] hehe [10:01] :-) [10:01] test it, my monitor is not that big [10:02] definitely test it first [10:02] Tonio_: yes had one other complaint [10:02] if the thing is scaled in any way we need to remove it [10:02] scaling stripes is evil [10:02] kwwii: that image is cropped, not scaled [10:02] Riddell: okay, I will focuss on this tomorrow, when I bought some cds :) [10:03] Riddell: yeah, and until someone with a monitor that bigs tells me that it works I still won't sleep well :-) [10:03] is that a bigger version of the stripe wallpaper than we have now? [10:03] my 1680x1050 monitor has a black strip because the stripe wallpaper isn't big enough [10:04] seth: well, that should be fixed with my new version :-) [10:04] great :-) [10:04] seth: test it and tell us! [10:04] is it in the archive? [10:04] [snipped a pageful of "rewrite all package systems on all distributions" style wish] "I'm happy to help (by thinking through problems) whoever wants to tackle this (if anyone), but I don't have time to do any coding myself." [10:04] seth: exactly, but yours is is only 80 pixels wide (I suppose), mine is 320... [10:04] seth: nope, you gotta do it per hand [10:04] mmkay [10:05] Lure, yeah, it looks to be about 80-100 px, so if the old one was 1600 and this one is 1920, we're golden === seth tests [10:05] while I test, free cookie to anyone who tells me why my bcm43xx is broken (but knetworkmanager is working great, so props to that team) [10:06] kwwii: ppl are asking if new theme would also have a name (like kubuntu 6.06) in order to be able to switch back [10:06] similarly, some would like to have breezy defaults still available as another theme [10:06] Lure: that would be a great idea [10:07] can't think of a new name atm though :-( [10:07] you know ppl - they get used to something and do not want to switch [10:07] I guess the idea of this is that we wanted it to match crystal better === Lure likes defaults - even more if they change each release ;-) [10:07] bring out more of the bling from crystal [10:08] kwwii: do not get me wrong - lot's of ppl like new bling (now that crystal is now CPU hungry anymore) [10:09] well, the crystal window deco still needs some work...I really meant the crystal icon theme [10:09] I am not a big fan of the window deco myself [10:09] interesting: kdm uses png, ksplash .jpg [10:09] but I understand the idea of making the best out of what kde has to offer now [10:09] now that is messed up [10:10] the file is like 28KB as png === jjesse [i=user@69-87-141-130.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:10] it must be three times that size as jpeg [10:10] or more [10:10] I will just use .png as all files are png otherwise (just need to fix Theme.rc [10:10] yepp, best idea [10:10] it is striped solid colors so it should not be a problem as png [10:11] kwwii: jpg was 287k (for 1600x1200) - I can imagine that stripes cost in fractals... ;-) === Lure will logout to try new background [10:13] exactly :-) [10:17] I take that back about it being 28KB as png...it is only 11 === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] kwwii: it worked for ksplash, but not sure if kdm is caching is somewhere :-( [10:19] yes, it is, if I remeber correctly [10:20] Riddell: ! [10:21] kwwii: I know for kspash cache, this is why it works ;-) [10:22] the honest truth is that I am not sure cause I have worked with suse systems for the last 7 years [10:22] I know that suse caches it in the boot stuff to make it start quicker (theoretically) [10:22] but bootsplash != usplash [10:23] kwwii: there is also install splash (we still have old one - I have added it to todo wiki) [10:23] ;-) [10:24] kwwii: problem is that I cannot find single file with same size as old wallpaper for kdm :-( [10:24] Riddell: do you know if kdm also caches background image and where? [10:25] hehe [10:25] kwwii: it is not cached, but kubuntu.xml has 1600 as width set! [10:26] the install splash is instsys stuff, or? [10:26] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) [10:26] Lure: lol, it is sometimes easier than you would guess [10:26] kwwii: I think install splash is in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-245-69.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:27] yepp gfxboot, I know that stuff pretty well [10:27] _Sime: you are fast! [10:27] steffen is the maintainer if I am not mistaken (my ex-collegue at suse) [10:28] <_Sime> Lure: there are still outstanding bugs. But it is anyway time to get a new release out and tested. [10:28] _Sime: rocking [10:29] _Sime, kwwii: I will still have issue with huge fonts in kdm login screen [10:29] I think problem is that displayconfig script to fix dpi for fonts starts after login [10:29] <_Sime> true [10:29] so do we *really* need a 1920 bg for the desktop? it means making two different pics [10:30] or we just use too huge fonts for kdm (however I do not see much other complaints) [10:30] Lure: sounds about right [10:30] kwwii: why two different pics? [10:30] no, the normal fonts are ok in size [10:30] Riddell: well, I cannot simply scale one or the other [10:30] kwwii: scaled background does not look that bad, just bubbles are wide [10:30] ;-) [10:31] so the smaller one *might* be a crop fo the bigger one, but that might not looks so good [10:31] Lure: yeah, wide bubbles suck [10:31] s/fo/of [10:31] kwwii: not that bad (I got used to them) [10:31] hehe :-) [10:32] problem is that raphink's konqi also got on weight a bit ;-) [10:33] _Sime: any way to start your script before kdm login script? [10:33] I would at least try to see if it would help [10:34] hmm, I thought I'd deleted the debian directory in guidance [10:34] guess not [10:34] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager [10:35] Riddell: need to send an email to the ML or is that done automatically ? [10:36] Tonio_: wrong spelling [10:36] reviewed buy MOTUs [10:36] Tonio_: maybe mention that it is included in SLED 10.1 [10:36] oups....... Pygi thanks :) [10:36] Lure: yes good point :) [10:36] yw Tonio_ [10:37] Tonio_: thanks for pushing this forward [10:37] Tonio_: add it to the unreviewed section in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [10:37] Tonio_: schedule your day tommorow for 0.6.2 helping me ^_^ [10:38] Riddell: done [10:38] <_Sime> Lure: kdm might have a way of running a script after it starts up... [10:38] related question - can we get rid or kwifimanager from kubuntu-desktop - it just gives false hopes to users [10:38] Pygi: I will :) [10:38] Tonio_: thank you ^_^ [10:39] _Sime: will research this a bit as I think this would be best way to address this issue [10:39] Lure: yes, when wlassistant gets in [10:39] Riddell: so are we sticking to the crystal theme for now? (ie. should I continue working on buttons for crystal?) [10:40] Riddell: great - is wlassistant already on the way to main? [10:40] window-deco, I mean, of course [10:40] <_Sime> Lure: if you just want consistent font sizes in kdm, then maybe a simple script that sets Xft.DPI with xrdb might be enough. [10:40] kwwii: yes, crystal win deco is the plan [10:41] _Sime: we could add it to the X server args in kdmrc [10:41] Tonio_: add http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=knetworkmanager&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED [10:41] as upstream bug tracker [10:41] <_Sime> Riddell: you can certainly try. ;-) but it might cause regessions for some people who want real X DPIs. [10:42] _Sime: yes, just realised that [10:42] Riddell: ah ? I wasn't sure for this ;) [10:42] Riddell: I think bugzilla.novell.com would be more appropriate [10:42] Riddell: this is where "Report bug" action i n knm points [10:44] but I cannot find simple way to filter only knm related issues [10:44] Lure: I'm checking [10:44] Lure: well spotted [10:45] https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=knetworkmanager [10:45] Riddell: do you need only open issues? [10:45] most are fixed on this list [10:46] Riddell: tomorrow I will work on the Ubuntu Usplash first, to get that out of the way, then I either do buttons or backgrounds === Lure logging out to test kdm splash again === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:49] kwwii: kdm login now ok - thanks [10:49] kwwii: just need to fix the font size - "Menu" text is currently larger than button [10:50] Lure: cool :-) [10:50] raphink: will you package new wallpaper for kdm and ksplash? [10:50] is there a reason the krita manual is not included ? [10:50] two things to watch: [10:51] 1. change Background.jpg to Background.png for ksplash (need to change Theme.rc too) [10:51] 2. kdm requires to change width from 1600 to 1920 in kubuntu.xml [10:52] all the rest is just replacing the Background.png and kubuntu-wallpaper.pnd with the one kwwii put in wiki [10:52] _Sime: new guidance all working === Lure has one firefox question - I hope I will not be banned by konqurer fans ;-) [10:54] how is KDE stopping apps on logout - firefox is always recovering session after crash (indicating that it was killed the hard way) [10:55] I think it is probably firefox issue, but would like to understand this better before submitting bug [10:55] <_Sime> Riddell: are you going throw the new package directly into dapper repos.? [10:55] _Sime: that's the plan [10:56] <_Sime> Riddell: ok... maybe it is a good idea to test a bit first with some of the people here. === Lure always ready for new kde-guidance [10:57] I don't have a 386 build [10:57] Riddell: give use sources... [10:58] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/guidance/ [11:01] sorry for the stupid question, but what is guidance? [11:01] hehe, I was just thinking the same thing :-) [11:01] _Sime and sebas's rocking set of configuration tools [11:02] http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ [11:02] which sit in systemsettings and are written in python [11:02] is it something i need to add to the release notes and book chapter? [11:02] nifty [11:02] yep, especially the new displayconfig module [11:03] jjesse: I think yes. It's a rocking kubuntu feature [11:03] kmon: ok, will need to play with it then :( [11:04] jjesse: Your are working on the official ubuntu book? [11:04] _Sime: can I count on you to write also module for kpowersave config? ;-) [11:04] I mean, you are involved? [11:04] kmon: yes writing the kubuntu chapter for the book [11:04] :) [11:04] only 1 chapter? [11:05] yup only 1 chapter [11:05] how many chapters does gnome have? :P [11:05] well there are 13 if i recall correctly [11:05] kmon: too many - since it is meant to limit the user [11:06] ;-) [11:06] one that covers kubuntu, one that covers the ubuntu desktop, one that covers ubuntu as a server, one that covers other projects [11:06] don't remember exactly all of them [11:06] ok [11:06] I've read it will be released as a free book as well... [11:06] is that true? [11:07] <_Sime> Lure: I don't know much about kpowersave. But seriously, I am interesting in hearing about where Kubuntu is weak with respect to configuration. [11:07]