[07:13] <seth> bah
[07:13] <seth> network-manager-kde is working great
[07:13] <seth> but my wireless doesn't work right now
[07:14] <seth> it scans, but can't connect
[07:32] <Tm_T> kwwii: good morning
[07:37] <kwwii> sooo, /me starts working on the dapper artwork todo
[07:51] <Parkotron> kwwii: Are there plans for a new default icon theme for Kubuntu?
[07:57] <kwwii> Parkotron: nope, but there are plans to make a few icons which were missing
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[07:57] <kwwii> check out the wiki page for the list of things toDo until now
[07:57] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[07:57] <Hobbsee> which wiki page is this?
[07:58] <kwwii> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[07:59] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[08:00] <kwwii> the first thing I will work on is the usplash stuff
[08:01] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:02] <Parkotron> kwwii: Sorry, I meant to say a new CURSOR theme.
[08:02] <Parkotron> I realise that Dapper is fast approaching, so I don't expect anything to happen soon, but I really think Kubuntu could use some new cursors.
[08:03] <kwwii> Parkotron: well, that is on the list :-)
[08:03] <seth> Really? I really like the cursor theme
[08:03] <Parkotron> The Ubuntu Human ones are nice, but they're quite Gnomish.
[08:03] <seth> simple and clean
[08:03] <kwwii> they are the best ones we have now, imho
[08:04] <kwwii> but they could fit beter with the KDE look and feel
[08:04] <Parkotron> They could also stand to have a bigger version. On high resolution displays, they can look awfully small.
[08:09] <Parkotron> Personally I'd like to see something like Pinux's Tux Cursors (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506&PHPSESSID=9ce6a9d6dc6598761e7ea68f43bea9dd) but they would definately need some changes.
[08:09] <kwwii> well, I already started work on a new default cursor theme for KDE which includes a bigger version
[08:09] <Parkotron> Excellent.
[08:09] <Parkotron> Are they svg based?
[08:10] <kwwii> everything I do is SVG based :-)
[08:10] <kwwii> but the small pics are pretty much redrawn by hand when necessary
[08:11] <Parkotron> Understandable. You wouldn't happen to have a sample you'd be willing to share, do you?
[08:12] <kwwii> to be honest, I only have two cursors done until now...but once I have enough done to really show I will post them
[08:14] <Parkotron> Well, thanks anyway. Daylight saving time just happed here, some I'm now up really late plus an extra hour. Good night.
[08:14] <kwwii> night
[09:04] <robotgeek> night
[10:19] <glick> hello
[10:19] <glick> is anyone up?
[01:00] <kmon> KNetworkmanager works great here :)
[01:01] <Lure> kmon: great
[01:01] <kmon> my problem was that the bcm43xx kernel driver doesn't support wpa, wep with rate=54
[02:03] <raphink> http://kubuntu.org/
[02:03] <raphink> amarok 3.3.6 ???!!!!
[02:03] <raphink> someone should correct that ;)
[02:03] <raphink> ;)
[02:03] <raphink> imo
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee> we're just going way into the future...
[02:08] <Riddell> my poor little brain mixed up amarok and qt
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:08] <Hobbsee> poor riddell brain...
[02:08] <Riddell> we need more random kubuntu images for website stories
[02:09] <Hobbsee> tell you what, i'll do the site if you do my maths test tomorrow :P
[02:10] <Riddell> maths is easy, especially with the groovy katapult calculator plugin
[02:10] <Riddell> resort to speedcrunch for advanced stuff
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:11] <Hobbsee> it's calculus though...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> stuff i cant really do with a calculator...
[02:12] <Lure> Hobbsee: ;-)
[02:12] <tvo> hehe, guess I should add calculus to the katapult calculator plugin :p
[02:15] <raphink> wow great
[02:15] <raphink> thanks Riddell for telling about the katapult calculator
[02:16] <raphink> however I don't call that maths ;)
[02:16] <Pygi> Lure: yay, n-m was mentioned in TUX
[02:16] <Pygi> altought not directly :-P
[02:17] <raphink> Hobbsee: what kind of calculus is it?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: evil stuff - first year
[02:17] <raphink> evil stuff is not a subject I know of
[02:17] <raphink> I think I must have missed this one
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <Lure> Riddell: what is your plan regarding knm - should we push for main?
[02:22] <Pygi> Lure: not yet I suggest... not until we have n-m 0.6.2
[02:23] <Lure> n-m-gnome is in main and on Live CD, why should we do the same with Kubuntu Live CD
[02:23] <Lure> there will be always another bug to fix...
[02:24] <raphink> sure
[02:24] <raphink> and as Ploum suggested, we should get some bugs in Dapper
[02:24] <raphink> there are too few
[02:24] <raphink> ;)
[02:25] <Pygi> loool 
[02:25] <Lure> exactly
[02:25] <raphink> Pygi: you didn't read the bug report?
[02:25] <Pygi> raphink: no?
[02:25] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Critical,Rejected]  
[02:26] <Pygi> notice rejected
[02:26] <raphink> yep
[02:26] <raphink> of course, thankfully ;)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:26] <raphink> someone noted that this bug conflicted with malone 1
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:27] <freeflying> why kaffeine can not stop screensaver when it play in fullscreeen mode
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[02:29] <raphink> hi freeflying
[02:33] <freeflying> raphink: you owe me a review ,hehe 
[02:34] <kmon> freeflying: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/30018
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30018 in kaffeine "screensaver starts while kaffeine is playing a film in fullscreen" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[02:35] <kmon> someone suggested a solution in there
[02:35] <kmon> "the problem is to do with missing -lXtst at compile time"
[02:36] <kmon> so we need someone to try that and upload an updated package
[02:36] <freeflying> kmon: seems the build-dep need add something 
[02:44] <raphink> freeflying: I don't remember owing you anything
[02:44] <freeflying> raphink: :) 
[03:38] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[04:02] <Lure> kwwii: around?
[04:45] <mart> is it OK to copy a bug off launchpad and file it upstream?
[04:47] <Tm_T> what bug
[04:48] <mart> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine/+bug/31633/
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31633 in gtk-qt-engine "emacs-snapshot-gtk unusable with gtk-qt-engine" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[04:48] <mart> it's not mentioned in the freedesktop.org bugzilla
[04:48] <mart> so I guess they don't know about it
[04:48] <Tm_T> oh, bug out :)
[04:48] <Lure> mart: only if you are sure that bug is upstream...
[04:48] <Tm_T> yup
[04:48] <mart> Lure: how could I possibly tell?
[04:49] <mart> at least if I file it upstream they can check
[04:49] <Lure> first indication might be that ubuntu has older version than upstream
[04:49] <mart> really, I can't see them releasing anything past 0.6
[04:50] <mart> which is the package I'm using.
[04:51] <mart> so....?
[04:51] <Lure> since ubuntu changes are not substantial, it is probably common bug
[04:52] <Lure> therefore it makes sense to request bug fix from upstream
[04:52] <mart> ok, I'll ask upstream if they are able to reproduce.
[05:01] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[05:56] <Lure> Riddell, raphink: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899
[07:48] <Lure_> Riddell, kwwii: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154000&page=2
[07:49] <kwwii> wow
[07:49] <kwwii> see how people take art personally
[07:50] <kwwii> he says he would never have made it GPL if he'd have known people were going to change it
[07:50] <kwwii> funny taht
[07:50] <kwwii> that
[07:50] <Lure_> kwwii: btw, how can a fix my 1920x1200 wallpapers - I am showing my kubuntu to ppl and this is still an ugly issue
[07:51] <Lure_> kwwii: true, some do not get GPL...
[07:52] <kwwii> I will have to make new versions of the wallpaper
[07:52] <kwwii> since I did them with bitmaps
[07:53] <kwwii> (the bubbles, I mean)
[07:53] <Lure_> kwwii: can I replace them somehow (temporary fix)?
[07:54] <kwwii> Lure_: well, you could try to simply scale them with GIMP and see how they work
[07:54] <Lure_> bubbles are not an issue, as they are stretched - t is more a KDM login screen and splash during login
[07:54] <kwwii> or, if you say "pretty please" I will make bigger ones tonight :-)
[07:54] <kwwii> well, the bg for that is really easy to change
[07:55] <Lure_> kwwii: pretty please, please
[07:55] <kwwii> give me a few hours (to put my son to bed) and then I will take care of it
[07:55] <Lure_> ok, thanks - probably easier fo you to just do it that explaining to me
[07:55] <Lure_> ;-)
[07:59] <kwwii> yeah, it would save time
[07:59] <kwwii> so the kdm bg is the most important right now
[07:59] <kwwii> ?
[07:59] <Riddell> Lure_: kdm and ksplash should be ok
[07:59] <kwwii> Riddell: did you make a bigger version of the bg?
[07:59] <Lure_> Riddell: not for 1920x1200
[08:00] <kwwii> the orig was 1600x1200 which would not be scaled at bigger sizes
[08:00] <Lure_> icons are now placed corectly, but background image (soft blue) is just 1600x1200, so I have some trash at right
[08:00] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png: PNG image data, 1600 x 1200, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[08:00] <Riddell> guess not
[08:00] <kwwii> I will take care of it
[08:01] <kwwii> it is only stripesw :-)
[08:01] <kwwii> stripes
[08:01] <kwwii> Riddell: should I send a mail to JBUS about the kdm, etc?
[08:02] <kwwii> I really knew nothing about the whole situation and I hate that someone is angry
[08:02] <Riddell> kwwii: it's the first I've heard of it.  if you think you can be diplomatic enough then do contact him
[09:34] <Tonio_> hello :)
[09:37] <Riddell> salut Tonio_ 
[09:38] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[09:39] <Tonio_> bonjour Riddell
[09:39] <Tonio_> hi Lure :)
[09:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: any ideas why antialiasing and mouse cursor themes are broken in flight 6?
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: are they ?
[09:40] <Lure> Tonio_: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899
[09:40] <Tonio_> I didn't test flight6
[09:40] <Riddell> on new installs yes, but not on upgraded ones
[09:40] <Riddell> I've run out of ideas on what's caused them both
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will test...
[09:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: does flight6 contains 3.5.2 ?
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I agree, we at least should have beta version of cups.......
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: sounds strange having an outdated svn version
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: who is doing cups in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: pitty
[09:42] <Riddell> Lure: pitti
[09:42] <Riddell> I've pointed the recent blog out to him
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just concerned that new version will not help with kdeprint - and old cups is just used as excuse
[09:42] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad name :)
[09:42] <Lure> ;)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but we can ask for something to kde devs if we have a beta version, not an svn.....
[09:43] <Tonio_> Lure: unless I'm wrong
[09:45] <Riddell> the kdeprint maintainer knows about the problem and has been promising to fix it since august
[09:45] <kwwii> hrm, I forgot my wiki login :-(
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: technically, a flight 5 up to date with 3.5.2 should give the same result than a flight 6 when using a virgin profile
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to reproduce
[09:46] <kwwii> Lure: I made a 1920x1200 version for kdm
[09:46] <Lure> print seems to major grief by new users of dapper
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: thank you!!!
[09:46] <kwwii> Lure: but my screen is so small that I am not 100% sure that it is exactly the same as the one before :-) you'll have to test it
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: ;-)
[09:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's what I thought, so I installed flight 5 and upgraded qt then kde then everything else, and it still had no problems with anti-aliasing
[09:47] <Riddell> kwwii: it's your e-mail address used in launchpad
[09:47] <Lure> kwwii: you can reset password in lauchpad
[09:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: problem with the building of flight6 ?
[09:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, can't be
[09:48] <Riddell> you can turn on antialiasing easily enough 
[09:48] <kwwii> thankfully I only have three different email accounts and 6 passwords
[09:48] <kwwii> my sixth try worked :-)
[09:48] <kwwii> I'll put the pic, and the svg on the wiki
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: the difference can be the default kde config files maybe
[09:49] <Tonio_> when you install flight5 and upgrade, you should have differences on that point
[09:49] <Riddell> yep, but I was deleteing everything in the home directory on each try
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird......
[09:50] <Riddell> very
[09:52] <Tonio_> okay, let's burn flight6
[09:53] <raphink> bah
[09:53] <raphink> pitti is not there anyway
[09:53] <Lure> raphink: ;-)
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: will test this week.... we can correct the problem in k-d-s anyway even if we don't understand it
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: by adding the required values to reactivate antialiasing
[09:55] <Riddell> yeah it may come to that. the weird thing is that kdm and ksplash seem to be fine, it's only after ksplash that apps don't use antialiasing
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I make main inclusion report for knetworkmanager ?
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please!
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing :)
[09:56] <kwwii> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen
[09:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: nice :)
[09:57] <raphink> kwwii: if you have things to upload iin k-d-s, I need to change the background back
[09:58] <raphink> so please ask ;)
[09:58] <raphink> so I don't have to make just a version to revert 
[09:58] <kwwii> raphink: not sure I understand you
[09:58] <raphink> kwwii: k-d-s currently has the 1st april wallpaper
[09:58] <Riddell> raphink: kwwii has no upload rights
[09:58] <raphink> so if you have new stuff to upload
[09:58] <kwwii> ahhhh, gotcha
[09:58] <raphink> tell me 
[09:58] <raphink> so I don' thave to make a new version just to revert the wallpaper to previous
[09:59] <kwwii> oh no, I'll tell Riddell and let him sort it out P)
[09:59] <Lure> Riddell, kwwii: remind me - where is background located?
[09:59] <kwwii> raphink: ahh, yeah, might be easier for everyone if you do it
[09:59] <Riddell> Lure: which one?
[09:59] <Lure> raphink: this is just login wallpaper
[10:00] <Lure> kdm login screen and ksplash
[10:00] <kwwii> Lure: easiest of all is: http://bootsplash.org/kdm-bg2-wide.png
[10:00] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/{ksplash,kdm}
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: did someone else but you confirm that antialiasing bug ?
[10:01] <kwwii> Lure: oops, as in, in the system you meant...sorry
[10:01] <Lure> kwwii: no pb, just want to try before raphink packages it... ;-)
[10:01] <raphink> hehe
[10:01] <kwwii> :-)
[10:01] <kwwii> test it, my monitor is not that big
[10:02] <kwwii> definitely test it first
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes had one other complaint
[10:02] <kwwii> if the thing is scaled in any way we need to remove it
[10:02] <kwwii> scaling stripes is evil
[10:02] <Riddell> kwwii: that image is cropped, not scaled
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will focuss on this tomorrow, when I bought some cds :)
[10:03] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, and until someone with a monitor that bigs tells me that it works I still won't sleep well :-)
[10:03] <seth> is that a bigger version of the stripe wallpaper than we have now?
[10:03] <seth> my 1680x1050 monitor has a black strip because the stripe wallpaper isn't big enough
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: well, that should be fixed with my new version :-)
[10:04] <seth> great :-)
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: test it and tell us!
[10:04] <seth> is it in the archive?
[10:04] <mornfall> [snipped a pageful of "rewrite all package systems on all distributions" style wish]  "I'm happy to help (by thinking through problems) whoever wants to tackle this (if anyone), but I don't have time to do any coding myself."
[10:04] <Lure> seth: exactly, but yours is is only 80 pixels wide (I suppose), mine is 320...
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: nope, you gotta do it per hand
[10:04] <seth> mmkay
[10:05] <seth> Lure, yeah, it looks to be about 80-100 px, so if the old one was 1600 and this one is 1920, we're golden
[10:05] <seth> while I test, free cookie to anyone who tells me why my bcm43xx is broken (but knetworkmanager is working great, so props to that team)
[10:06] <Lure> kwwii: ppl are asking if new theme would also have a name (like kubuntu 6.06) in order to be able to switch back
[10:06] <Lure> similarly, some would like to have breezy defaults still available as another theme
[10:06] <kwwii> Lure: that would be a great idea
[10:07] <kwwii> can't think of a new name atm though :-(
[10:07] <Lure> you know ppl - they get used to something and do not want to switch
[10:07] <kwwii> I guess the idea of this is that we wanted it to match crystal better
[10:07] <kwwii> bring out more of the bling from crystal
[10:08] <Lure> kwwii: do not get me wrong - lot's of ppl like new bling (now that crystal is now CPU hungry anymore)
[10:09] <kwwii> well, the crystal window deco still needs some work...I really meant the crystal icon theme
[10:09] <kwwii> I am not a big fan of the window deco myself
[10:09] <Lure> interesting: kdm uses png, ksplash .jpg
[10:09] <kwwii> but I understand the idea of making the best out of what kde has to offer now
[10:09] <kwwii> now that is messed up
[10:10] <kwwii> the file is like 28KB as png
[10:10] <kwwii> it must be three times that size as jpeg
[10:10] <kwwii> or more
[10:10] <Lure> I will just use .png as all files are png otherwise (just need to fix Theme.rc
[10:10] <kwwii> yepp, best idea
[10:10] <kwwii> it is striped solid colors so it should not be a problem as png
[10:11] <Lure> kwwii: jpg was 287k (for 1600x1200) - I can imagine that stripes cost in fractals... ;-)
[10:13] <kwwii> exactly :-)
[10:17] <kwwii> I take that back about it being 28KB as png...it is only 11
[10:18] <Lure> kwwii: it worked for ksplash, but not sure if kdm is caching is somewhere :-(
[10:19] <kwwii> yes, it is, if I remeber correctly
[10:20] <kwwii> Riddell: !
[10:21] <Lure> kwwii: I know for kspash cache, this is why it works ;-)
[10:22] <kwwii> the honest truth is that I am not sure cause I have worked with suse systems for the last 7 years
[10:22] <kwwii> I know that suse caches it in the boot stuff to make it start quicker (theoretically)
[10:22] <kwwii> but bootsplash != usplash
[10:23] <Lure> kwwii: there is also install splash (we still have old one - I have added it to todo wiki)
[10:23] <Lure> ;-)
[10:24] <Lure> kwwii: problem is that I cannot find single file with same size as old wallpaper for kdm :-( 
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: do you know if kdm also caches background image and where?
[10:25] <kwwii> hehe
[10:25] <Lure> kwwii: it is not cached, but kubuntu.xml has 1600 as width set!
[10:26] <kwwii> the install splash is instsys stuff, or?
[10:26] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[10:26] <kwwii> Lure: lol, it is sometimes easier than you would guess
[10:26] <Lure> kwwii: I think install splash is in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package
[10:27] <kwwii> yepp gfxboot, I know that stuff pretty well
[10:27] <Lure> _Sime: you are fast!
[10:27] <kwwii> steffen is the maintainer if I am not mistaken (my ex-collegue at suse)
[10:28] <_Sime> Lure: there are still outstanding bugs. But it is anyway time to get a new release out and tested.
[10:28] <Riddell> _Sime: rocking
[10:29] <Lure> _Sime, kwwii: I will still have issue with huge fonts in kdm login screen
[10:29] <Lure> I think problem is that displayconfig script to fix dpi for fonts starts after login
[10:29] <_Sime> true
[10:29] <kwwii> so do we *really* need a 1920 bg for the desktop? it means making two different pics
[10:30] <Lure> or we just use too huge fonts for kdm (however I do not see much other complaints)
[10:30] <kwwii> Lure: sounds about right
[10:30] <Riddell> kwwii: why two different pics?
[10:30] <kwwii> no, the normal fonts are ok in size
[10:30] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I cannot simply scale one or the other
[10:30] <Lure> kwwii: scaled background does not look that bad, just bubbles are wide
[10:30] <Lure> ;-)
[10:31] <kwwii> so the smaller one *might* be a crop fo the bigger one, but that might not looks so good
[10:31] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, wide bubbles suck
[10:31] <kwwii> s/fo/of
[10:31] <Lure> kwwii: not that bad (I got used to them)
[10:31] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[10:32] <Lure> problem is that raphink's konqi also got on weight a bit ;-)
[10:33] <Lure> _Sime: any way to start your script before kdm login script?
[10:33] <Lure> I would at least try to see if it would help
[10:34] <Riddell> hmm, I thought I'd deleted the debian directory in guidance
[10:34] <Riddell> guess not
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to send an email to the ML or is that done automatically ?
[10:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: wrong spelling
[10:36] <Pygi> reviewed buy MOTUs
[10:36] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe mention that it is included in SLED 10.1
[10:36] <Tonio_> oups....... Pygi thanks :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Lure: yes good point :)
[10:36] <Pygi> yw Tonio_
[10:37] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for pushing this forward
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: add it to the unreviewed section in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[10:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: schedule your day tommorow for 0.6.2 helping me ^_^
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: done
[10:38] <_Sime> Lure: kdm might have a way of running a script after it starts up...
[10:38] <Lure> related question - can we get rid or kwifimanager from kubuntu-desktop - it just gives false hopes to users
[10:38] <Tonio_> Pygi: I will :)
[10:38] <Pygi> Tonio_: thank you ^_^
[10:39] <Lure> _Sime: will research this a bit as I think this would be best way to address this issue
[10:39] <Riddell> Lure: yes, when wlassistant gets in
[10:39] <kwwii> Riddell: so are we sticking to the crystal theme for now? (ie. should I continue working on buttons for crystal?)
[10:40] <Lure> Riddell: great - is wlassistant already on the way to main?
[10:40] <kwwii> window-deco, I mean, of course
[10:40] <_Sime> Lure: if you just want consistent font sizes in kdm, then maybe a simple script that sets Xft.DPI with xrdb might be enough.
[10:40] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, crystal win deco is the plan
[10:41] <Riddell> _Sime: we could add it to the X server args in kdmrc
[10:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: add http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=knetworkmanager&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
[10:41] <Riddell> as upstream bug tracker
[10:41] <_Sime> Riddell: you can certainly try. ;-) but it might cause regessions for some people who want real X DPIs.
[10:42] <Riddell> _Sime: yes, just realised that
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I wasn't sure for this ;)
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: I think bugzilla.novell.com would be more appropriate
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: this is where "Report bug" action i n knm points
[10:44] <Lure> but I cannot find simple way to filter only knm related issues
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm checking
[10:44] <Riddell> Lure: well spotted
[10:45] <Riddell> https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=knetworkmanager
[10:45] <Lure> Riddell: do you need only open issues?
[10:45] <Lure> most are fixed on this list
[10:46] <kwwii> Riddell: tomorrow I will work on the Ubuntu Usplash first, to get that out of the way, then I either do buttons or backgrounds
[10:49] <Lure> kwwii: kdm login now ok - thanks
[10:49] <Lure> kwwii: just need to fix the font size - "Menu" text is currently larger than button
[10:50] <kwwii> Lure: cool :-)
[10:50] <Lure> raphink: will you package new wallpaper for kdm and ksplash? 
[10:50] <jjesse> is there a reason the krita manual is not included ?
[10:50] <Lure> two things to watch:
[10:51] <Lure> 1. change Background.jpg to Background.png for ksplash (need to change Theme.rc too)
[10:51] <Lure> 2. kdm requires to change width from 1600 to 1920 in kubuntu.xml
[10:52] <Lure> all the rest is just replacing the Background.png and kubuntu-wallpaper.pnd with the one kwwii put in wiki
[10:52] <Riddell> _Sime: new guidance all working
[10:54] <Lure> how is KDE stopping apps on logout - firefox is always recovering session after crash (indicating that it was killed the hard way)
[10:55] <Lure> I think it is probably firefox issue, but would like to understand this better before submitting bug
[10:55] <_Sime> Riddell: are you going throw the new package directly into dapper repos.?
[10:55] <Riddell> _Sime: that's the plan
[10:56] <_Sime> Riddell: ok... maybe it is a good idea to test a bit first with some of the people here.
[10:57] <Riddell> I don't have a 386 build
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: give use sources...
[10:58] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/guidance/
[11:01] <jjesse> sorry for the stupid question, but what is guidance?
[11:01] <kwwii> hehe, I was just thinking the same thing :-)
[11:01] <Riddell> _Sime and sebas's rocking set of configuration tools
[11:02] <kmon> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[11:02] <Riddell> which sit in systemsettings and are written in python
[11:02] <jjesse> is it something i need to add to the release notes and book chapter?
[11:02] <kwwii> nifty
[11:02] <Riddell> yep, especially the new displayconfig module
[11:03] <kmon> jjesse: I think yes. It's a rocking kubuntu feature
[11:03] <jjesse> kmon: ok, will need to play with it then :(
[11:04] <kmon> jjesse: Your are working on the official ubuntu book?
[11:04] <Lure> _Sime: can I count on you to write also module for kpowersave config? ;-)
[11:04] <kmon> I mean, you are involved?
[11:04] <jjesse> kmon: yes writing the kubuntu chapter for the book
[11:04] <kmon> :)
[11:04] <kmon> only 1 chapter?
[11:05] <jjesse> yup only 1 chapter
[11:05] <kmon> how many chapters does gnome have? :P
[11:05] <jjesse> well there are 13 if i recall correctly
[11:05] <Lure> kmon: too many - since it is meant to limit the user
[11:06] <Lure> ;-)
[11:06] <jjesse> one that covers kubuntu, one that covers the ubuntu desktop, one that covers ubuntu as a server, one that covers other projects
[11:06] <jjesse> don't remember exactly all of them
[11:06] <kmon> ok
[11:06] <kmon> I've read it will be released as a free book as well...
[11:06] <kmon> is that true?
[11:07] <_Sime> Lure: I don't know much about kpowersave. But seriously, I am interesting in hearing about where Kubuntu is weak with respect to configuration.
[11:07] <jjesse> i think they will put it on a wiki that will allow you to edit it and keep it up to date
[11:07] <_Sime> Lure: configuring scanners??? is that covered?
[11:07] <Lure> _Sime: do not know for scanners, but kpowersave config is currently only in yast2 :-(
[11:08] <Lure> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[11:08] <kmon> the klaptop options to configure performance don't work here. Is that a known bug?
[11:08] <Lure> if we want to replace klaptopdaemon one day (hope soon), we will need config tool
[11:09] <Lure> kmon: they do not work for me too
[11:09] <Lure> maybe it is APM stuff - very hard to say
[11:09] <kmon> I remember that gnome's cpu freq applet didn't work out of the box unless you chmod a file....
[11:10] <kmon> maybe klaptop needs something similar?
[11:10] <Lure> kmon: which file?
[11:10] <kmon> Lure: can't remember :(
[11:10] <kmon> I'll ask google...
[11:11] <kmon> Lure: http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive42-2005-8-226342.html
[11:11] <kmon> second post
[11:11] <kmon> chown root:root /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[11:11] <kmon> chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: that is hell of a dirty hack
[11:12] <kmon> yes
[11:12] <kmon> hehe
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: I just prefer powersaved
[11:16] <kmon> Lure: do you know when kpowersave will release 0.6 final?
[11:16] <Lure> before end of april for sure (when SLED 10.1 is released)
[11:24] <kmon> Lure: found this link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-88836.html related to configure klaptop
[11:25] <verwilst> anybody using nvidia with dualscreen? :)
[11:25] <Riddell> hello mindglow 
[11:25] <Lure> kmon: ok, that is normal - nothing works if you do not configure helper app for klaptop
[11:26] <kmon> yup
[11:31] <Lure> _Sime, Riddell: testing kde-guidance 0.6.4: Display applet fixed, UID bug fixed...
[11:33] <Riddell> groovy, thanks Lure 
[11:34] <Lure> one thing (unrelated): were icons in "Admin mode" password window always stretched?
[11:34] <Lure> or did I noticed this now for the first time
[11:35] <Riddell> I think they always have been
[11:36] <Lure> but it looks like only for guidance modules...
[11:36] <Lure> looks ok for adept_updater, Printers....
[11:37] <Riddell> yeah, guidance should include larger icons
[11:37] <Lure> it is funny, since I could say that icons size is the same in System setting as well as in password dialog
[11:37] <Lure> just do not know why they get resized in that dialog...
[11:38] <Riddell> no, password dialogue uses larger icons
[11:41] <Lure> is this ok:
[11:41] <Lure>     sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[11:41] <Lure> sorry:
[11:41] <Lure> Installing new version of config file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore ...
[11:41] <Lure>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist.
[11:41] <Riddell> that's fine
[11:41] <Lure> shouldn't we always overwrite?
[11:42] <Lure> this is why I still had S17 istead of S37 (or whatever) since I cannot install Flight 5/6 (only 4 works)
[11:42] <Riddell> it just uses the normal debian alternatives programmes
[11:46] <Riddell> mornfall: I don't suppose you have a copy of 0.3.4?
[11:46] <mornfall> 0.3.4 of?
[11:46] <mornfall> af?
[11:47] <Riddell> liapt-front
[11:47] <mornfall> hmm, i apparently have 0.3.5
[11:48] <mornfall> what's in breezy?
[11:48] <mornfall> 0.3.3 -- interesting
[11:48] <Riddell> 0.3.3
[11:48] <Riddell> too old for this debtags
[11:49] <Riddell> and 0.3.5 doesn't seem to compile
[11:49] <mornfall> let's see
[11:51] <Riddell> or otherwise how do I checkout from svn for a specific date
[11:52] <mornfall> Riddell: should be -r561
[11:55] <Riddell> ok
[11:57] <mornfall> also note 37696 -- i dunnow what with that
[11:58] <kmon> mornfall: do you have a gdebi qt interface planned for adept?
[11:58] <mornfall> gdebi? wth?
[11:58] <kmon> the tool in gnome for installing single debs
[11:58] <mornfall> no, it was dropped for dapper as not important
[11:58] <Lure> mornfall: this is a hard one... :-(
[11:58] <kmon> mornfall: ok
[11:59] <Lure> is it notmal for pre/post scripts to be interactive?
[11:59] <Lure> s/notmal/allowed/
[11:59] <mornfall> Lure: debian policy guarantees that they have a controlling terminal
[11:59] <mornfall> Lure: but it recommends using debconf
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: and adept in turn Recommends: libqt-perl so we have kdebconf
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: which is ignored in kubuntu
[12:00] <Lure> mornfall: maybe we should check how others (synaptic, kpackage...) are doing it
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: kpackage? hah
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: kpackage freezes
[12:00] <Lure> ;-)
[12:00] <mornfall> hmm, i was thinking kynaptic
[12:00] <mornfall> no kpackage has terminal
[12:00] <mornfall> and synaptic has terminal too, but probably hidden by default
[12:00] <mornfall> dunno
[12:00] <mornfall> it probably makes sure gdebconf is available and used
[12:01] <mornfall> that catches >90% of cases
[12:01] <mornfall> most of the rest will be non-ucf conffile prompts
[12:01] <mornfall> which can be done since dpkg prompts for it
[12:01] <mornfall> that'd cover 99% of cases
[12:01] <Riddell> mornfall: bah, still breaks debtags compile http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636599
[12:02] <mornfall> but that'd require promoting libqt-perl
[12:02] <Riddell> gdebi has a terminal, it's one of the things that would make it hard to port
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: you are compiling with wrong libapt-front (definitely not 0.3.4)
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: looks a lot newer (at that point, entity::Package was not even a template at all)