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[12:26] ;) [12:27] dieman: fix some bugs... ;-) [12:28] heh === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208219.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:39] has anyone tried running knm? === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@S01060030ab12b2fb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@dslb-082-083-226-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-184-244-160.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yves is now known as nictuku === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-184-244-160.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@p54BCF9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jadaz87 [n=jadaz87@pool-70-111-105-18.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BlueHeron [n=sdf@c-67-186-34-99.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] hi can somone help me i was told i have a memory leak in gam_server ? [02:18] it is using 500MB of memoy === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sm [n=simon@69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F7AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] has benc gone awol? === desrt misses the constant kernel image upgrades :) === deaddog [n=abelcheu@221.126.152.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gonffen [i=gonffen@unaffiliated/gonffen] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Channel] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === deaddog is now known as abelcheung === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jadaz87 [n=jadaz87@pool-70-111-105-18.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] when is it appropriate to start discussing dapper+1 goals? [04:05] on the ubuntu-devel@ list [04:06] bluefoxicy: probably better to write a spec first, IMO [04:06] bluefoxicy: if you have a spec written, anytime's fine. === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] LaserJock, neuralis: I don't have a spec ready. I would rather gather more information, especially as I have nfc what I'm really doing at the moment ;) [04:07] Right now I'm trying to get pam_ldap to work with an openldap server (slapd) running behind me, just trying to get experience setting up centralized authentication [04:07] and it ain't working [04:07] and I'm at the same time thinking of the changes that would be needed to make ubuntu integrate well with ldap.. which I'd want to discuss on the list to get a better idea of before writing up a spec [04:08] at least, that's the short version of it [04:08] bluefoxicy: maybe sounder would be better then [04:08] sounder? [04:08] the mailing list [04:08] it is for bouncing ideas around [04:08] uhh... direction? [04:09] should I subscribe or can i just throw a mail at some address? [04:10] bluefoxicy: re: pam_ldap, see http://times.usefulinc.com/2005/09/25-ldap === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] bluefoxicy: there's already a spec that covers this, but we deferred it to dapper+1. [04:11] neuralis: ah. [04:11] bluefoxicy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder [04:11] bluefoxicy: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication [04:12] neuralis: integration with users-admin and the installer et al? [04:12] bluefoxicy: it's all in the spec. [04:12] bluefoxicy: rather, look at the spec for details; i haven't looked at it since ubz. 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[05:13] universe and multiverse [05:16] oh... do I need deb-src? [05:18] CarlK: normally not,no [05:30] !paste === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] what am I missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11286 [05:44] CarlFK: Why do you have breezy and dapper repos mixed in your sources.list? [05:44] oh crap... cuz I am an idiot? [05:45] Nah, that's my job :-) === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] and thatwould be what I was missing [05:47] glad someone is doing there job :) [05:50] Heh === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drew [n=drew@203-214-121-3.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178025142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freestone [i=j1@north-mesh-wlan-220.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD43B0F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Eleaf [n=ethan@71-208-126-224.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] hi! [07:44] hi === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] In the Ubuntu LiveCd (Dapper or any), where is the file stored that expresses the system hostname and default username? [07:47] I know hostname is /etc/hostname ... But what defines this? [07:47] On the actual livecd. === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] Any ideas? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD43B0F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [n=mark@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] Eleaf: it's set in code in various scripts in /scripts/casper-bottom/ inside /install/initrd.gz (which is a gzipped cpio archive) [09:14] Eleaf: probably easier to do 'apt-get source casper' and look at that [09:14] alright [09:14] hmm [09:14] dapper differs from breezy here, we reorganised the live CD a fair bit [09:14] alright, is that for dapper? [09:14] yes [09:15] I'm not seeing a scripts dir, is that in the base? [09:15] have you unpacked /install/initrd.gz? [09:15] yes, I just get another initrd thing. [09:15] what is the best way to unpack it? [09:16] make a temporary directory, cd into it, 'zcat /cdrom/install/initrd.gz | cpio -id' [09:16] great, one sec. [09:16] like I say, 'apt-get source casper' is easier ... [09:18] Ok I'm in initrd [09:18] if you want to modify it, you can build and install a modified casper .deb, then 'update-initramfs', and copy out the /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` you get [09:18] (that's what we do in the live CD build process) [09:19] mmk [09:19] ah. [09:19] I think I got it [09:20] is it scripts/casper-bottom/18hostname for the hostname I'm assuming? [09:21] yeah [09:22] Sweet, thank you very much. Just curios, what corrilation does casper have to do with this? [09:22] curious* [09:22] note that update-initramfs will clobber your existing initrd.img in /boot; you may want to keep a backup [09:22] correlation [09:22] (the new one should work anyway, it's just over-the-top) [09:22] humm [09:23] casper is the package that implements the live CD boot process [09:23] I see === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] Speaking of which, Kamion, what flags are used for building the squashfs filesystem? === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] TheMuso: none, just mksquashfs [09:59] Ok thanks === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.145] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-232.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] hello? [10:20] anyone here? [10:20] there are always people here... [10:20] just that sometimes they maybe asleep and shouting might wake them up [10:21] i have a question, there is a package, in ubuntu that no longer works, but it is never upgraded even though an upgrade exists, so effectively the package that comes with breezy is usless [10:21] package name? [10:21] gtk-gnutella === deaddog [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] i'm seeing 0.95.4-1 in breezy and 0.96.1-0 in dapper. looks normal. what specific problem are you having? [10:23] neuralis: the .95x versions no longer connect to the network, they purposefully dont connect to the network anymore, when i run it, it says, this version of gnutella no longer works, please upgrade to .96x [10:25] so you're saying you want 0.96 for breezy? you'll have to make a request to the backports people to provide a backport for you. [10:25] otherwise, you'll have 0.96 in universe once you upgrade to dapper. [10:26] i mean considering that the one that ships with breezy no longer works, having a working version would be nice [10:26] c'mon no one should have to wait 4 months to have a working gnutella [10:26] upgrade their entire os? [10:26] there is no chance that 0.96.1 will be stuffed into breezy proper. breezy-backports is a possibility. [10:26] cant it be offered as an upgrade? [10:26] you could compile it yourself or run a normal binary [10:26] glick: we will not introduce a whole new software version as a breezy update. [10:27] glick: ask for a backport, it's precisely what backports are for [10:27] neuralis: but what ships is dead software [10:27] glick: that's beside the point. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] glick: backports are meant to solve this kind of problem, so ask for one, or wait until dapper (which is out in about 2 months, not 4). [10:27] glick: that is upstream's decision. There is technically nothing _broken_ with the version that ships in breezy proper. The viable recourse is breezy-backports, and there's a procedure for that. [10:28] so how an i make a request for a backport? [10:28] glick: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/wiki/index.php/Requesting_A_Backport [10:30] looks like someone already filed a request for it [10:31] a while ago [10:32] glick: unfortunately, that's all that can be done at the moment. === nyu [n=rmh@debian/developer/rmh] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo [n=egon@p54A65393.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=Ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@69-172-102-74.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] are any ogf the main developers for yubuntu currently here and awake? [10:45] sladen: any new idea for bug 34592? I would really like this one to get away... [10:45] Malone bug 34592 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "dapper flight 5: install menu never comes" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34592 [10:45] shadeofgrey: what happened? [10:45] pygi: well... actually i just found out that i have like lewss than 6 months to live [10:45] and id like an opportunity to say thanks tio them directly before i die [10:46] if its noit too much troublke [10:46] uh :-/ [10:46] just...do me a favor [10:46] give some of them my email addfress [10:46] (shadeofgrey@gmail.com) [10:47] shadeofgrey: did you mean to say yubuntu or ubuntu? [10:47] Lure: yeah, my personal hunch is that it's to do with crappy Video BIOS, or IDE enumeration [10:47] ubuntu [10:47] shadeofgrey: well, I'm here and a member of the core team. [10:47] sladen: it seems like infinite loop to me, as the fans are going on like mad... [10:48] shadeofgrey: sounds quite bad. :-( === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] mith: great... can we speak in private for a minute? === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] Mithrandir: if you'd like to tell lots of people and have it recorded so that everyone can see if (regardless of whether they're currently awake), you could email the sounder@lists.ubuntu.com which would be a wonderful testimonial to receive there [10:49] s/Mithrandir/shadeofgrey/ [10:50] ah excellenty [10:50] ill send an email straight away === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] sladen: do you know which package is involved at that time of boot process (gfx-boot?) as I would like to inspect changelogs [10:55] between Flight4 and first daily build I spotted the problem 20060312 === Oculus [n=oculus@pD95088C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] Lure: gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu. [10:59] infinity: thanks - I have seen that only theme has changed between Feb 17 and Mar 12 [11:01] Lure: Which would explain why the bug is already assigned to the theme. === j^_ is now known as j^ === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2BA6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-232.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:19] hiya. sorry to be slightly off topic, but it's a sunday :) I'm trying to install gnome-doc-utils from cvs, and it is complaining about two missing m4 macros: glib-gettext.m4 and intltool.m4. Any idea if these come with ubuntu somewhere? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] mdke: they do. packages intltool and libglib2.0-dev [11:21] neuralis, lovely, i'll try that: thanks [11:21] yep. [11:22] hmz [11:23] something is foobared in dapper, but no idea what package has the bug really [11:23] what's the problem? [11:24] basically bringing up the wireless interface with wpa fails for the first time, as af_inet isn't loaded by default [11:25] sladen: you are probably right regarding VGA BIOS - all have ATI cards from x700/x800 line [11:25] so wpa_supplicant exits with an error. then dhclient is starting, af_inet gets loaded, and on the second try wpasupoplicant is runnig fine [11:26] kaloz: sounds like a NM issue? i suggest you talk to pygi or _ion and see what they make of it. [11:27] okay, thanks :) I can simply use /etc/modules, but this isn't The Right Way (tm) to fix it [11:27] Kaloz: or siretart - he is the wpasupplicant guy [11:29] well, to be honest, i was wondering why the hell isn't this in the kernel statically :) [11:31] Kaloz: bug 37697 looks similar to your problem [11:31] Malone bug 37697 in wpasupplicant "wpasupplicant only authenticates immediately after atheros kernel modules freshly loaded." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37697 [11:33] Lure: nope, that's a problem in the madwifi driver. I'm on centrino gear anyways :) [11:44] Kaloz: is it really af_inet or af_packet? see bug 37121 [11:45] Malone bug 37121 in wpasupplicant "ifupdown script 0_wpasupplicant assumes CONFIG_PACKET=y" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37121 [11:46] ah,l af_packet, right.. it's too early in the morning here [11:47] Kaloz: see also related bug 36634 [11:47] Malone bug 36634 in wpasupplicant "fails to autostart using the if-preup.d script" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36634 === stockholm [n=andreas@petrus.schuldei.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] siretart thinks it should be fixed with latest wpasupplicant... === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] are there backports for newer wireless drivers to breezy available somewhere? [11:48] ah, the new version was uploaded yesterday night [11:48] preferably packaged? [11:50] mjg59: are you ubuntu's wireless driver person? are there backports of newer drivers (acx111 chipset) available? [11:51] stockholm, they come with the kernel, so I think it is unlikely [11:52] yeah. === sabdf1 [n=mark@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] stockholm, new versions do not get backported, except in one specific case (Mozilla Firefox, due to upstream boneheadedness) [11:53] 99% of problems people have with acx* drivers are usually issues with selecting the wrong firmware anyway. [11:54] yeah, i have one of those cards, such a pain [11:54] infinity: i have a dlink G650+ here, which is rather new but can work with linux [11:54] ah, that's the one I have [11:54] stockholm: I suspect it will work fine with both the drivers in breezy and dapper, but needs a certain firmware image that either a) we don't ship, or b) we don't select by default for your PCI ID. [11:54] mdke: ah, how did you get it to work? [11:55] it works with breezy, if you find the right firmware, I think. === delire_z1 [n=delire@p54BCD36E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] If you could figure out what that was, we'd love a bug. :) [11:55] but i don't think it is shipped [11:55] (so we can match PCI ID to firmware, and make it Just Work) === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] mdke: i have here a howto where you need to extract firmware from the windows drivers [11:55] once the binary file was installed this card here got mighty hot [11:56] so i am not 110% sure it is alife any more. [11:56] is that "normal"? [11:56] i haven't used my card since hoary, but it worked ok then [11:56] It's normal if the firmware cranks the Tx/Rx power sky high... [11:57] Hopefully, this HOWTO isn't telling people to use AP firmware on desktop/laptop cards. [11:57] infinity: well, i never saw that before. [11:57] (Since APs tend to have much better cooling solutions, and tend to have higher Tx levels) [11:57] no, it seems to mix the firmware supplied with the windows driver with a linux wrapper/driver [11:58] Hrrrm.... ? where are UVF-exception requests made/listed ? [11:58] mdke: horay seems old for this card... i thougt this model was rather new [11:59] stockholm, no, I don't think it's very new [11:59] *shrug* [11:59] i would like a precompiled package, but with the windows firmware that is unlikely i guess === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-123-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3A187.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] mdke: um, do you remember if you have a acx111 or acx100 chipset? [12:08] the firmware i find here http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/acx100/ only has firmware for acx100, not for 111 [12:10] i just had a kernel crash with the lastest kernel for breezy (security upgraded). is that a known problem? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] the system now crashes after max one minute after boot. [12:15] crashes, as in, panics? [12:15] neuralis: i dont see any oops, X covers it [12:16] neuralis: crashes as in not responding to anything (or pings or so) except for hard reset [12:16] mousepointer does not move, etc [12:17] when was that newest kernel security upgrade released? [12:17] if it's max one minute after boot, can you switch to a console and wait for it to freeze? [12:17] yes, i guess i can === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stockholm does that === iceman [n=iceman@81.247.164.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] it only crashed after i switched back to X. no luck. [12:24] stockholm: dapper ships (lots of) firmware for acx100 and acx111... See /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/acx/readme.txt [12:24] and it is rather save to install drapper, since you are only polishing, right? [12:25] Pretty much, yeah. [12:25] infinity: do you know why keyserver.ubuntu.com only syncs with 3 SKS peers? [12:25] You've lived on the edge with sid before, I'm sure, this isn't much different. [12:25] cool, will try that, then [12:25] neuralis: No idea. [12:25] infinity: that's elmo? [12:25] infinity: it is a friend of mine, he usually lives not on any edge. (c: [12:26] thanks for helping. === stockholm [n=andreas@petrus.schuldei.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === deaddog [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] neuralis: Indeed. === deaddog is now known as abelcheung [12:27] infinity: cool, i'll poke him. thanks. [12:28] hi everyone [12:30] I have a bug in dapper but I don't know in which component or package I have to report it [12:30] I'm trying to install a network printer (SMB) [12:31] iceman: you can report it w/o package on somebody from bug team will help [12:31] iceman: see #ubuntu-bugs [12:31] s/on/and/ [12:32] Lure: thanks but it's easier for devellopers if I file it correctly rightaway ;-) === stockholm [n=andreas@petrus.schuldei.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] infinity: what is the aptsources.list line for drapper? [12:35] stockholm: What component? [12:35] TheMuso: i want to upgrade from breezy to drapper. the whole sytem [12:35] Just replace every instance of breezy with dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list. [12:36] stockholm: $ sed -i s/breezy/dapper/ /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade [12:36] neuralis: i tried that with drapper instead of dapper. (c: [12:36] lol [12:36] ok [12:37] oh and by now it crashed again. not a fat chance that the update would go through in that time. [12:38] no oops, either. [12:38] stockholm: is this a notebook and do you have laptop-support on? [12:38] azeem: it is a notebook, yes [12:38] stockholm: mvo has a very good dist-upgrade tool that i recommend you use instead, unless you're very comfortable with the command line and fixing any problems that might arise during a dist-upgrade. [12:38] stockholm: on battery or mains power? [12:38] neuralis: i am quite compfortable with the commandline,yes [12:38] azeem: main power [12:38] ok, nevermind then [12:39] neuralis: i am used to fixing upgrade problems in debian, is it much differnet with ubuntu? [12:39] harder, better problems? (c: [12:39] stockholm: no, but the dist-upgrader tool can benefit from your testing. [12:39] stockholm: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/dist-upgrader/ [12:40] neuralis: right, good poiont. [12:40] on that note, i'm off to sleep. cheers, all. [12:40] but not on this box, it crashed again just now. [12:40] perhpas it is just dying. old one... [12:40] good night [12:41] stockholm: fyi, dist-upgrader instructions are here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html === neuralis *poof* in a sleepy smoke.. [12:45] stockholm, acx111 was my card [12:48] Lure: It's quite bothering me: nobody's answering on ubuntu-bugs, and it doesn't feel right to report a bug without having searched if it wasn't already filed [12:49] _ion: around? [12:49] stockholm: I'm on the phone right now, but can we talk about this in a bit? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum_ [n=Ploum@81.247.174.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] stockholm: Not really, and not as far as I know === Jobman [n=Jobman@p508E45C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jobman [n=Jobman@p508E45C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-225.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-93-124.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] mvo: is the update-manager from your site broken? === iceman is now known as iceman_mange [01:38] let'a [01:38] ah, let's say this differently, for me it's broken === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] giftnudel: broken in what way? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] mvo: I click on dapper upgrade, upgrade again, it downloads something and get a index out of bounds exceptio [01:50] n === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:52] mvo: it says: Preparing installation, the error is in the downloaded dapper.tar.gz [01:53] giftnudel: what version of update-manager do you have installed? [01:55] mvo: 0.42.2ubuntu9~bp1 according to dpkg -s update-manager [01:55] ~bp1 ?? === Ekushey [n=Ekushey@203.112.197.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] I added "deb htp://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/backports/update-manager /" to sources.list, according to the mail in ubuntu-announce [01:57] Mithrandir: I wanna talk to you about LDAP, so when you have time ^_^ === slomo__ is now known as slomio === slomio is now known as slomo === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] jdub: u there? === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] giftnudel: hm, that should be the right one. could you please run it from a terminal and paste the exception to a pastebin? === cassidy [n=cassidy@186-132.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] mvo: the exception comes in a dialog box, but I will do [02:04] mvo: http://pastebin.com/635668 [02:05] mvo, you dont use the backports naming scheme ? [02:05] giftnudel: interessting, thanks. can you add your sources.list please [02:05] of course [02:05] (~breezy1 instead of ~bp1) === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] ogra: this is just a private repo for now, but I should change this when it goes into the official backports/updates repo [02:05] :) [02:06] giftnudel: it seems to be choking on one entry in it [02:06] mvo, btw OT, "realkauf" sells unicycles for 49 [02:06] ogra: woooahhhh! get one ;) [02:06] ogra: so we can have fun together at the next conf :) [02:06] i was pondering ... dunno where a real is around here [02:07] mvo: http://pastebin.com/635692 [02:07] ogra: are you interessted in learning it? [02:07] mvo, if time permits :) i'm not sure if i have *any* spare minute the next months :) [02:08] ogra: yes, a big problem :/ but I find it refreshing (for mind and body) to spend a bit of time on something else then ubuntu [02:09] mvo, yep, but my sparetime will be "help susus take over the empire and prepare the move to kassel" the next months, no idea how much time is left there [02:10] ogra: *ohhh* right [02:10] giftnudel: thanks! [02:10] but given that it wont break if its stored in the garage, i'll probably buy one :) i guess i wont get one this cheap usually [02:11] giftnudel: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? === iceman_mange is now known as iceman [02:11] mvo: I don't have that directory [02:11] ogra: no, they are usually more expensive. it will be great fun to bring on to the next conference :) [02:11] giftnudel: ok, thanks [02:12] mvo, given we dont have to fly to the northpole for it or something :) [02:12] who knows where it will be :) [02:13] so true :) === ogra sends hugs and kisses to Seveas, thats soo cool to finally have the forum gateway solved on -users === Natja [n=lionel@st-209-250.student.fundp.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] giftnudel: strange, locally it seems to be working. what is the output of /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release? === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] http://pastebin.com/635707 [02:22] mvo: ^ [02:23] giftnudel: looks fine too. very strange [02:23] mvo: let me reboot the system, there might be a problem with a recent update? [02:24] giftnudel: could you please file a bug against update-manager and assign it to me? include the three files? I don't have that much time today for it :/ [02:24] ok, I'll do that [02:24] giftnudel: thanks [02:25] giftnudel: the error indicates that there is a problem with reading your sources.list, but testing it locally didn't caused a error here [02:27] mvo: ok, I will file the bug, a reboot didn't change anything (as expected ...) [02:36] mvo: bug 37716, anything in there you want? [02:36] Malone bug 37716 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade chokes on sources.list" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37716 === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178025142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman is now known as iceman_away === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] mvo: ping [02:54] mvo: back from lunch [02:54] <_ion> pygi: Pong [02:54] indish.... goood [02:54] stockholm: I'm on the phone (again :), can we talk in ~5min? [02:54] _ion: N-M was indirectly mentioned in Tux ^_^ [02:54] mvo: i am around for now [02:54] <_ion> pygi: Tux? [02:54] _ion: hm, LInux magazine? ^_^ [02:54] <_ion> Ok. :-) [02:55] i look for an iso for dapper (i386). where are they? [02:55] stockholm: Suggest you try flight 6 which can be found at cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper [02:56] TheMuso: thanks [02:56] _ion: bah, gah ^_^ [02:58] Lure: can you fix the bug report so that it reads usplash/gfxboot/vgafb problem on ATI x700/x800 (you understand that the error is) === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F656B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] sladen: I can change the summary, however I still do not understand what the error is ;-) [03:02] Lure: I suspect it's because gfxboot is using 640x480 and/or not resetting the mode afterwards [03:02] sladen: "install hangs on ATI x700/x800" and leave it on gfxboot? [03:03] sladen: possible, but nothing beside the theme changed, so what could cause such regression? === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] Lure: so, an earlier gfxboot theme worked? [03:06] Lure: what happens if you follow the other questions on the bug report (eg, tell gfxboot to use text-mode) [03:06] sladen: Flight 4 works [03:06] and also 2 and 3 ;-) [03:06] === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] Lure: oh right "flight5/6 theme breaks ATI..." [03:07] sladen: no way to switch to text console, as it does not get that far [03:07] Lure: what bug number is it? [03:07] bug 34592 [03:07] Malone bug 34592 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "flight 5&6: install hang on ATI x700/x800" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34592 [03:07] Lure: so it might be the kernel---can you remind me of the bug number and I have a feeling there were a few suggestions to try [03:08] flight 4 has/had the issue that it installed only in text, due to unreleated bug 31974 [03:08] Malone bug 31974 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "Kubuntu Dapper Flight 4 - Boot menu boots into a kernel panic" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31974 [03:09] sladen: Kamion told me that it cannot be kernel, as it does not get started yet [03:10] funny is that in both bugs you have more or less same reporters (=HW) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Lure: that's what we'd expect. It's only an issue with that particular hardware (eg. buggy hardware/firmware/BIOS) [03:21] sladen: true, but we changed something in theme that now triggers it (and did not in Flight < 5) [03:26] Lure: if you press Escape and then [enter] ("yes, exit graphical mode and return to text mode"), and then press enter to boot the system, does that work? [03:27] sladen: with Flight 5/6 I do not get to menu at all - just kubuntu image on top and fans go to full [03:28] that was the issue on Flight4 (I am just doing install from F4 BTW) [03:30] I was thinking to build custom CD with only gfxboot-theme change with F4, but not sure if that is possible [03:30] Lure: so, pressing escape, enter, enter was a workaround for F4 [03:31] Lure: but Flight5/6 just hang completely before the menu appears? [03:31] exactly [03:32] machine hangs as no key works, just power button [03:32] and it looks like a infinite loop as fans start to go full speed in couple of seconds [03:33] Lure: yes, using a rewritable CD you should be just able to overwrite the /isolinux directory [03:33] or wheve-ever it is [03:34] sladen: problem is that I do not have CD/RW at home [03:35] I will try one CD-R, but I expect it will work === erez [n=erez@85-250-130-252.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] Mithrandir: Kamion wow guys I am really impressed with Espresso in Flight 6 [03:41] is mmapr available in dapper? It seemed to be in xserver-xorg-core in breezy, but no more? [03:43] seems not [03:45] azeem: mmapr? [03:46] http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Tifm21-howtodump [03:46] probably there is some other way to dump that information [03:47] azeem: if it's missing from a package it's a regression for breezy (assuming it's not deprecated upstream) [03:48] azeem: could you please file a bug and assign it to me? [03:48] i will look at it on monday [03:50] seems to be a case of random-binaries-not-makeing-the-switch-to-modular [03:50] like ioport as well [03:50] but ok [03:51] azeem: sure.. if you find them just put the list somewhere and i will look at it [03:51] unfortunatly our Contents files are broken [03:51] and it takes time to figure the stuff out [03:52] well, it's debateably those should be in xorg I guess [03:52] yeah but if they were there before, they can still land in some xutils-extra-crap [03:52] they look like some helper programs to figure out PCI information, but I doubt xorg support them officially [03:52] ok === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182053091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] oh, fabbione is around ... === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] fabbione, you dont happen to have a bzr branch with thew [04:05] re all [04:06] hey ogra , Fade [04:06] silo change to ltsp ? [04:06] oops [04:06] fabbione, even [04:06] Heya ogra, sivang [04:06] ogra: Do you happen to know if there is any website I can use to deposit to you? [04:07] bddebian, nope, i dont think so, the bank/account data should be correct now though [04:07] you 'll need to do a normal transfer i fear ... [04:07] ogra: the what? [04:07] ogra: i just added silo to the Depends: [04:08] nothing more [04:08] ok [04:08] it was only, as i wrote in the changelog, to make it installable [04:08] and allow people to hack easily on it [04:08] ogra: Damn, OK, thanks [04:08]