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| LaserJock | muahaha | 12:53 |
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| LaserJock | I just installed a Moin Desktop Edition on my laptop, now I have my own little personal wiki | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the GUI editor is sweet | 12:57 |
| Madpilot | check Tomboy out - it's a mini-wiki/notes app for Gnome, quite cool | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I use it quite a bit | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking of trying to get the department sys admin to add a wiki for the new Chemistry Graduate Student Association at my uni | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | so I was checking Moin out | 01:02 |
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| LaserJock | anybody set up a mediawiki before? | 01:09 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: nope | 01:16 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know what version of moin we use for wiki.u.c? | 03:35 |
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| LaserJock | Burgundavia: ah, you're here. Do you know what version of moin w.u.c uses? | 03:37 |
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| mgalvin | LaserJock: 1.3.something | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: hmm, ok | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: 1.5 seem pretty sweet | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | the GUI editor and "render as Docbook" as especially sweet for Ubuntu I think | 04:03 |
| rob | what program is this? | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | you have to moin | 04:04 |
| rob | ah | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | sorry, that should be just moin | 04:04 |
| rob | new version? | 04:04 |
| rob | how clean is the Docbook it outputs? | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | rob: looked good to me. just go to http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ and click on "More Actions" | 04:05 |
| rob | have you guys seen http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing ? | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | I think Corey has been drooling over that ;-) | 04:06 |
| rob | yeah, I was talking to the guy behind it, it was done as part of Google's summer of code | 04:07 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: 1.5 is nice but the problem is that our moin has been customized (especially the main www.ubuntu.com site) and it is not a straight forward upgrade :-/ | 04:08 |
| rob | I was thinking about messing around/Ubuntu-izing it | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: ah, makes sense | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | I just installed a DesktopEdition on my laptop and got the ubuntuized theme install. quite cool | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | I took me all of 10 min. to install it, fire it up, get some themes. And I didn't have a clue about it to start with | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | that is pretty impressive to me | 04:12 |
| Madpilot | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579 | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: lol, that's pretty good | 04:44 |
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| Madpilot | hey Burgundavia, you finally got an ubuntu/member/ hostmask | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: indeed I did | 05:03 |
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| jsgotangco | robitaille: ping? | 07:55 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco: pong | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille: how are you able to run n-m? | 07:56 |
| robitaille | it just works for me | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | i got n-m and the gnome package | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | nothing appears on my notification list | 07:56 |
| robitaille | maybe you have to start "nm-applet" manually the first time around | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | there | 07:56 |
| robitaille | then it will be in your session for future logins | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | there's an nm-applet in startup sessions though | 07:57 |
| robotgeek | nm-applet --sm-disable is better | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: that's what's in sessions | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | nothing seems to happen when i try to invoke it | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | should it be sudo? | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, no sude | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | sudo | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | it just hangs | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: you are going to hate me for this, but restart once :) | 07:59 |
| robitaille | but tonight I did lose the applet for a while after putting the laptop to sleep. But it sorted itself out after a reboot. | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | ive already restarted twice | 07:59 |
| robotgeek | i used to run nm in breezy, i don;t run it anymore | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | i got network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | there's another nm-applet not installed but i think this is just a transition package | 07:59 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: tail -f /var/log/syslog | 08:00 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco: you have to remove "nm-applet" | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | its not installed | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: i get some gconf stuff | 08:00 |
| robitaille | I'm about to start installing flight 6...so in a hour or so I'll see if I have to do any special magic to get it working on my laptop | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | im now in flight 6 | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | its not installed by default | 08:01 |
| robitaille | my first attempt at expresso | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | my startup program has nm-applet --sm-disable though | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | should i try removing it then restart? | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | then manually invoke it? | 08:02 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | nm-applet is running though but where | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:03 |
| robitaille | why don't you kill it...remove it from your session manager, then reboot. It should restart by itself | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: removing interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces is quite hackish to be useful | 08:06 |
| robotgeek | i did not have to do it in breezy though | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | we're in dapper :P | 08:07 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: maybe to avoid conflict with the gnome tool? not sure | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | in breezy, nm-applet just starts by itself though | 08:07 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco: I had to remove my wired interface in /etc/network/interfaces so that nm can manage it...it's a new Dapper thing | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | i would guess so | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | ekkk | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | ok let me try that | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | i still have to modprobe my ipw just to be able to reboot though | 08:08 |
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| jsgotangco | robitaille: killing the session the editing /etc/network/interfaces seemed to work though | 08:14 |
| robitaille | good. Still not user friendly, isn't it :) | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | i have to try wpa though | 08:19 |
| robitaille | that should work out of the box now | 08:19 |
| robitaille | only wpa...not wpa2. My router had both choices | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | ah same here | 08:19 |
| robitaille | and I never managed to get wpa2 to work. | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | i still have to go to console to turn on my wired ethernet though | 08:21 |
| robitaille | that works fine here. I just did it a few minutes ago | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | i don't have to go to System -> Administration -> Networking anymore right? | 08:23 |
| robitaille | no; I never use it anymore. that take care of /etc/network/interfaces, which should be nearly empty now except for the lo interface | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | ok one more test | 08:27 |
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| jsgotangco | hmmm | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille: everything i start, it asks for my keyring password before connecting? | 08:31 |
| robitaille | yes...annoying but normal | 08:34 |
| robitaille | nm keeps your wpa password in the keyring. Install gnome-keyring-manager to access it | 08:34 |
| robitaille | I'm back on my laptop...my 1st expresso install ever :) | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | it works? | 08:36 |
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| robitaille | yep it worked. | 08:37 |
| robitaille | except for the laptop not rebooting at the end of the install; I had to turn it off/on manually | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | mine doesn't reboot at all, the wireless is not being unloaded | 08:39 |
| robitaille | If you start gnome-terminal, do you get a little message about the need to use "sudo" for administrative commands? | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:40 |
| robitaille | that's anoying...I wonder where it comes from to turn it off | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | well i think you only get that for the first time | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | because now i dont get it | 08:41 |
| robitaille | oh...I logged out, and logged back in, and it is still there for every gnome-term I open | 08:42 |
| robitaille | now it's time to reinstall nm | 08:43 |
| robitaille | the backports are gone from a default sources.list? | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt notice it at all | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | ok now to test other stuff | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 08:50 |
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| mdke_ | morning | 10:45 |
| highvoltage | morning mdke | 10:46 |
| mdke | heya highvoltage | 10:46 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 10:46 |
| mdke | hi Madpilot :) | 10:47 |
| Madpilot | odd - did I send a blank email to the doc ML? | 10:47 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, you awake> | 10:50 |
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| Burgundavia | ? | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | hi | 10:50 |
| mdke | so are people generally in favour of rearranging the yelp toc? | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | to put our own docs at the top? Yes | 10:51 |
| mdke | ok, so then we need to figure out the wording for the second title | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, tomorrow, shall we meet in the afternoon and look over the desktop guide? | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, sure - what time? | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | 2? | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | 2 is fine, I've got a couple of errands to run tomorrow but I can be back here by 2 | 10:53 |
| mdke | it's still saturday over there? | 10:53 |
| mdke | you guys must be up late | 10:54 |
| Madpilot | it's actually Sunday, but only just - 0055 here | 10:54 |
| mdke | ah | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | holy crap my desktop machine is noisy. Forgot how bad it was | 10:57 |
| Madpilot | quiet hardware is worth the extra money :P | 10:58 |
| highvoltage | 10:55 here. working peacefully with cricket on in the background. | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:59 |
| mdke | highvoltage, *envy* | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, that edubuntu diff email bounced | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, shall I do some work tonight and send it to you? | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: which e-mail address did you use? | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: that would be great! | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, jonathon@ubuntu.com | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, do you have the link again? | 11:00 |
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| highvoltage | Burgundavia: see http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/ <- getting started | 11:02 |
| mdke | cool | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, thanks. Are you actively hacking on it right now? | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: kind of, i only started with it on friday evening, so it's still a bit raw | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | mdke, I just had a quick look at converting our browser startpage to XHTML Strict, and it turned out to be a matter of changing four or five tags only | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: just a sec... | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | (I love Screem when it works...) | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: i'm moving it here: http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: if you create an account on the proto site, then we could work a bit easier collaboratively on it | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | (still busy uploading, so you'll notice the images are missing) | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, ok, I will hack the text there | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | trappist, did you ever get docudo working? | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | personally, I think docudo is the way forward | 11:07 |
| mdke | Madpilot, cool: if you have time, that would be cool. But it's not that essential, so don't go out of your way to do it | 11:09 |
| Madpilot | mdke, I've just done it, I'll commit it in about a minute | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, the one issue with having it there is hardcopy | 11:09 |
| Madpilot | Committed revision 2706. | 11:11 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: yep | 11:12 |
| mdke | Madpilot, rock | 11:12 |
| mdke | thanks dude | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, do you have plans for that or do we need to keep a seperate copy in the doc repos? | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | no problem - it was already XHTML Trans, so moving it up to Strict was easy | 11:12 |
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| manicka | oops | 10:44 |
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