[12:53] <LaserJock> muahaha
[12:55] <LaserJock> I just installed a Moin Desktop Edition on my laptop, now I have my own little personal wiki
[12:57] <LaserJock> hmm, the GUI editor is sweet
[01:00] <Madpilot> check Tomboy out - it's a mini-wiki/notes app for Gnome, quite cool
[01:01] <LaserJock> yeah, I use it quite a bit
[01:02] <LaserJock> I'm thinking of trying to get the department sys admin to add a wiki for the new Chemistry Graduate Student Association at my uni
[01:02] <LaserJock> so I was checking Moin out
[01:09] <LaserJock> anybody set up a mediawiki before?
[01:16] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: nope
[03:35] <LaserJock> anybody know what version of moin we use for wiki.u.c?
[03:37] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ah, you're here. Do you know what version of moin w.u.c uses?
[04:01] <mgalvin> LaserJock: 1.3.something
[04:03] <LaserJock> mgalvin: hmm, ok
[04:03] <LaserJock> mgalvin: 1.5 seem pretty sweet
[04:03] <LaserJock> the GUI editor and "render as Docbook" as especially sweet for Ubuntu I think
[04:04] <rob> what program is this?
[04:04] <LaserJock> you have to moin
[04:04] <rob> ah
[04:04] <LaserJock> sorry, that should be just moin
[04:04] <rob> new version?
[04:05] <rob> how clean is the Docbook it outputs?
[04:05] <LaserJock> rob: looked good to me. just go to http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ and click on "More Actions"
[04:05] <rob> have you guys seen http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing ?
[04:06] <LaserJock> I think Corey has been drooling over that ;-)
[04:07] <rob> yeah, I was talking to the guy behind it, it was done as part of Google's summer of code
[04:08] <mgalvin> LaserJock: 1.5 is nice but the problem is that our moin has been customized (especially the main www.ubuntu.com site) and it is not a straight forward upgrade :-/
[04:08] <rob> I was thinking about messing around/Ubuntu-izing it
[04:09] <LaserJock> mgalvin: ah, makes sense
[04:09] <LaserJock> I just installed a DesktopEdition on my laptop and got the ubuntuized theme install. quite cool
[04:12] <LaserJock> I took me all of 10 min. to install it, fire it up, get some themes. And I didn't have a clue about it to start with
[04:12] <LaserJock> that is pretty impressive to me
[04:39] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579
[04:44] <LaserJock> Madpilot: lol, that's pretty good
[05:02] <Madpilot> hey Burgundavia, you finally got an ubuntu/member/ hostmask
[05:03] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: indeed I did
[07:55] <jsgotangco> robitaille: ping?
[07:55] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  pong
[07:55] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:56] <jsgotangco> robitaille: how are you able to run n-m?
[07:56] <robitaille> it just works for me
[07:56] <jsgotangco> i got n-m and the gnome package
[07:56] <jsgotangco> nothing appears on my notification list
[07:56] <robitaille> maybe you have to start "nm-applet" manually the first time around
[07:56] <jsgotangco> there
[07:57] <robitaille> then it will be in your session for future logins
[07:57] <jsgotangco> there's an nm-applet in startup sessions though
[07:57] <robotgeek> nm-applet --sm-disable is better
[07:57] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: that's what's in sessions
[07:58] <jsgotangco> nothing seems to happen when i try to invoke it
[07:58] <jsgotangco> should it be sudo?
[07:58] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, no sude
[07:58] <robotgeek> sudo
[07:58] <jsgotangco> it just hangs
[07:59] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: you are going to hate me for this, but restart once :)
[07:59] <robitaille> but tonight I did lose the applet for a while after putting the laptop to sleep.  But it sorted itself out after a reboot.
[07:59] <jsgotangco> ive already restarted twice
[07:59] <robotgeek> i used to run nm in breezy, i don;t run it anymore
[07:59] <jsgotangco> i got network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed
[07:59] <jsgotangco> there's another nm-applet not installed but i think this is just a transition package
[08:00] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[08:00] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  you have to remove "nm-applet"
[08:00] <jsgotangco> its not installed
[08:00] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: i get some gconf stuff
[08:01] <robitaille> I'm about to start installing flight 6...so in a hour or so I'll see if I have to do any special magic to get it working on my laptop
[08:01] <jsgotangco> im now in flight 6
[08:01] <jsgotangco> its not installed by default
[08:01] <robitaille> my first attempt at expresso
[08:02] <jsgotangco> my startup program has nm-applet --sm-disable though
[08:02] <jsgotangco> should i try removing it then restart?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> then manually invoke it?
[08:02] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager
[08:03] <jsgotangco> nm-applet is running though but where
[08:03] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:04] <robitaille> why don't you kill it...remove it from your session manager, then reboot.  It should restart by itself
[08:06] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: removing interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces is quite hackish to be useful
[08:06] <robotgeek> i did not have to do it in breezy though
[08:07] <jsgotangco> we're in dapper :P
[08:07] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: maybe to avoid conflict with the gnome tool? not sure
[08:07] <jsgotangco> in breezy, nm-applet just starts by itself though
[08:07] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  I had to remove my wired interface in /etc/network/interfaces  so that nm can manage it...it's a new Dapper thing
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i would guess so
[08:07] <jsgotangco> ekkk
[08:07] <jsgotangco> ok let me try that
[08:08] <jsgotangco> i still have to modprobe my ipw just to be able to reboot though
[08:14] <jsgotangco> robitaille: killing the session the editing /etc/network/interfaces seemed to work though
[08:16] <robitaille> good.  Still not user friendly, isn't it :)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i have to try wpa though
[08:19] <robitaille> that should work out of the box now
[08:19] <robitaille> only wpa...not wpa2.  My router had both choices
[08:19] <jsgotangco> ah same here
[08:19] <robitaille> and I never managed to get wpa2 to work.
[08:21] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:21] <jsgotangco> i still have to go to console to turn on my wired ethernet though
[08:22] <robitaille> that works fine here.  I just did it a few minutes ago
[08:23] <jsgotangco> i don't have to go to System -> Administration -> Networking anymore right?
[08:24] <robitaille> no; I never use it anymore.  that take care of /etc/network/interfaces, which should be nearly empty now except for the lo interface
[08:27] <jsgotangco> ok one more test
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:31] <jsgotangco> robitaille: everything i start, it asks for my keyring password before connecting?
[08:34] <robitaille> yes...annoying but normal
[08:34] <robitaille> nm keeps your wpa password in the keyring.  Install gnome-keyring-manager to access it
[08:35] <robitaille> I'm back on my laptop...my 1st expresso install ever :)
[08:36] <jsgotangco> it works?
[08:37] <robitaille> yep it worked. 
[08:38] <robitaille> except for the laptop not rebooting at the end of the install; I had to turn it off/on manually
[08:39] <jsgotangco> mine doesn't reboot at all, the wireless is not being unloaded
[08:40] <robitaille> If you start gnome-terminal, do you get a little message about the need to use "sudo" for administrative commands?
[08:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:40] <robitaille> that's anoying...I wonder where it comes from to turn it off
[08:40] <jsgotangco> well i think you only get that for the first time
[08:41] <jsgotangco> because now i dont get it
[08:42] <robitaille> oh...I logged out, and logged back in, and it is still there for every gnome-term I open
[08:43] <robitaille> now it's time to reinstall nm
[08:45] <robitaille> the backports are gone from a default sources.list?
[08:46] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice it at all
[08:50] <jsgotangco> ok now to test other stuff
[08:50] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:45] <mdke_> morning
[10:46] <highvoltage> morning mdke
[10:46] <mdke> heya highvoltage 
[10:46] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[10:47] <mdke> hi Madpilot :)
[10:47] <Madpilot> odd - did I send a blank email to the doc ML?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, you awake>
[10:50] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:50] <Madpilot> hi
[10:50] <mdke> so are people generally in favour of rearranging the yelp toc?
[10:51] <Madpilot> to put our own docs at the top? Yes
[10:51] <mdke> ok, so then we need to figure out the wording for the second title
[10:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, tomorrow, shall we meet in the afternoon and look over the desktop guide?
[10:52] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sure - what time?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> 2?
[10:53] <Madpilot> 2 is fine, I've got a couple of errands to run tomorrow but I can be back here by 2
[10:53] <mdke> it's still saturday over there?
[10:54] <mdke> you guys must be up late
[10:54] <Madpilot> it's actually Sunday, but only just - 0055 here
[10:55] <mdke> ah
[10:57] <Burgundavia> holy crap my desktop machine is noisy. Forgot how bad it was
[10:58] <Madpilot> quiet hardware is worth the extra money :P
[10:59] <highvoltage> 10:55 here. working peacefully with cricket on in the background.
[10:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:59] <mdke> highvoltage, *envy*
[10:59] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, that edubuntu diff email bounced
[11:00] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, shall I do some work tonight and send it to you?
[11:00] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: which e-mail address did you use?
[11:00] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: that would be great!
[11:00] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, jonathon@ubuntu.com
[11:00] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, do you have the link again?
[11:02] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: see http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf
[11:02] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://jonathancarter.co.za/docs/ed-gs/ <- getting started
[11:04] <mdke> cool
[11:05] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, thanks. Are you actively hacking on it right now?
[11:05] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: kind of, i only started with it on friday evening, so it's still a bit raw
[11:05] <Madpilot> mdke, I just had a quick look at converting our browser startpage to XHTML Strict, and it turned out to be a matter of changing four or five tags only
[11:05] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: just a sec...
[11:06] <Madpilot> (I love Screem when it works...)
[11:06] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i'm moving it here: http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[11:06] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: if you create an account on the proto site, then we could work a bit easier collaboratively on it
[11:07] <highvoltage> (still busy uploading, so you'll notice the images are missing)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, ok, I will hack the text there
[11:07] <Burgundavia> trappist, did you ever get docudo working?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> personally, I think docudo is the way forward
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, cool: if you have time, that would be cool. But it's not that essential, so don't go out of your way to do it
[11:09] <Madpilot> mdke, I've just done it, I'll commit it in about a minute 
[11:09] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, the one issue with having it there is hardcopy
[11:11] <Madpilot> Committed revision 2706.
[11:12] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yep
[11:12] <mdke> Madpilot, rock
[11:12] <mdke> thanks dude
[11:12] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, do you have plans for that or do we need to keep a seperate copy in the doc repos?
[11:12] <Madpilot> no problem - it was already XHTML Trans, so moving it up to Strict was easy
[10:43] <manicka> ?join #ubuntu-au
[10:44] <manicka> oops