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Pupeno-Hello.12:31
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crimsunhi.12:31
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Pupeno-Does anybody know what might be causing this error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/18522 ?12:35
Pupeno-I am currently uploading the package for all to see, but it'll take a while on my dialup.12:37
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crimsunis emacs21 installed?12:38
bddebianThe emacs lisp crap isn't installed?12:38
crimsuni.e., why dpkg -i ?12:38
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crimsunis erlang-base installed?12:39
Pupeno-crimsun: emacs21 is installed.12:39
Pupeno-bddebian: the package didn't have a problem untill I upgraded so I supouse the emacs lisp *crap* is installed.12:40
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Pupeno-crimsun: how else should I install a .deb ?12:40
Pupeno-crimsun: erlang-base is installed.12:40
Pupeno-Note: this is a package I am building (actually, upgrading).12:40
crimsunPupeno-: I presume erlang is already installed, then.12:40
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crimsuni.e., what are the differences in the postinsts?12:41
Pupeno-crimsun: I am installing erlang. Erlang is the package I am making.12:42
Pupeno-crimsun: none, I kept the debian directory as is. I only got rid of most of the patches to the rest of the tree (most were patched upstream).12:42
crimsunPupeno-: dpkg -l erlang|grep ^ii12:44
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Pupeno-$ dpkg -l erlang|grep ^ii12:44
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Pupeno-ii  erlang         10.b.10        A real-time, concurrent and distributed functional language12:44
crimsunit installed just fine. You just need to check the emacs policy to make sure the site-locals are correct.12:45
crimsun(I'm not familiar w/ emacs policy)12:45
Pupeno-crimsun: I know it finishes installing, but emacs complaints, the original version didn't have that problem.12:46
Pupeno-ok.12:46
crimsunPupeno-: then you should ask in an emacs-related channel; this one's not really appropriate.12:47
crimsunI don't know offhand who our emacs gurus are, so I can't point you to them readily12:47
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Pupeno-but I'll try anyway.12:48
bddebianIt certainly isn't me, I'm a nano fan.. :-)12:49
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crimsunmm buildd screwage.01:08
crimsunhttp://librarian.launchpad.net/1834920/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.linuxdcpp_0.0.1.cvs20060116-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz01:08
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bddebianNice01:12
bddebianbetter tell infinity :-)01:12
crimsuneven worse, I spent 1 hour futzing with migrating pbuilder only to discover pmount's flags prevented that (nothing sudo mount -o remount,.. doesn't fix), and then I discover that linuxdcpp builds just fine. Blarg.01:13
bddebianDoh01:13
enycurrm01:21
enyc?where is the UVF-exception precess described/detailed ?01:22
crimsunhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html01:24
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bddebiancrimsun: You there?02:43
bddebianSomeone help, I need a dpatch refresher :-)02:45
LaserJockbddebian: you're on a roll dude02:46
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LaserJockbddebian: what do you need?02:51
bddebianLaserJock: I got it, never mind.  I couldn't remember dpatch-edit-patch for some reason?? :-(  Thanks though~02:53
bddebian!02:53
LaserJockah, yes, fun-n-games with dpatch ;-)02:55
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Toadstool'night here03:17
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bddebianAck what do I do with this piece of crap that doesn't have a dirs file?03:40
LaserJocksomething like install -d perhaps03:41
bddebianI was thinking that03:42
bddebianIt creates the debian/usr/share/applications but doesn't install it.. :-(03:42
LaserJockyou did install -d on the directory or file?03:43
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bddebianNeither it was a patch on Malone.  He just added dh_install... and dh_desktop03:45
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bmontyhi LaserJock, bddebian03:53
LaserJockhi bmonty!03:53
bmontybddebian: are you working on packages again?03:55
bmontyLaserJock: how are things going?03:55
LaserJockbmonty: oh, very busy. Got tons of stuff to do. And you?03:56
bmontyvery busy as well....seems like every day this week, by the time I get home I only feel like going to sleep :(03:56
LaserJockyep03:59
bddebianbmonty: Moi?  No never :-)04:08
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bmontyhmm..I hope bluefoxicity comes back...I've got openldap+kerberos running on my network and I am thinking about writing a spec for dapper+104:33
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dolsonbddebian: I am here now...04:43
dolsonslomo__: ah yes, that was my doing. :D04:46
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crimsunbddebian: pong05:04
crimsunbddebian: unpong05:04
bddebianUgh?05:08
bddebianOh05:08
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bddebianJesus, maelstroms rules file is a freakin' mess05:16
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rami\q05:55
dolsonbddebian: hey.. I was using diff. I never heard of debbdiff before05:59
bddebiandolson: Well it appears that you are diffing against an empty directory or something.  Everything looks like it's coming in as a new file.06:02
bddebiandolson: Check out debdiff.  After you build a package you can just debdiff the resulting .dsc or .deb against the original06:02
dolsonthat's weird... I made patches before that next had that problem06:03
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LaserJockhi seth06:04
bddebiandolson: What do you use with diff?  -Nurp?06:04
dolsonyeah06:04
bddebianHmm06:04
LaserJockhmm, I usually use -Naur or -ruN (that one is easy to remember)06:04
dolson-purN is like porn, but with a u06:06
LaserJockhmm, ok I didn't really want that picture ("check out the diff pr0n")  ;-)06:08
dolsonput that in your doc06:08
bddebianheh06:09
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truz24LaserJock, So I got dapper installed by installing breezy and then upgrading to dapper... but now it says xorg won't start because xorg isn't setup correctly, is it because my video card is too new ( ati x700 )06:46
LaserJockhmm, not sure06:46
LaserJockdid it work with breezy?06:47
truz24no06:47
truz24I was hoping it would be fixed in dapper :-)06:48
hubtruz24: what if you force to ati driver?06:48
LaserJockhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=x700&fullsearch=Text might be promising06:49
hubtruz24: the problem with video cards is that it is not simple06:49
truz24lspci |grep ati shows "ati tech ... Unknown device "06:51
hubhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards?highlight=%28x700%2906:51
hubbut you are out of luck06:51
hubkick ATI for that06:51
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truz24how do i force it to use "ati"06:52
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hubyou need to edit the xorg.conf file06:54
truz24isn't there a dpkg-reconfigure way to do it ?06:55
hubsee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto06:55
truz24its been a looong time since i've had to configure x manually06:55
hubend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI06:55
truz24yeah, i saw the redirect too06:55
truz24sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -- thats what i was thinking of :-)06:57
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truz24hub, thanks, i am up and going in xorg now :-)07:02
truz24I just used the fglrx driver07:03
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persiaAbout .desktop bugs: some time ago I filed a bunch, and was uploading patches, but was asked to stop.  I've seen quite a few uploads with the new .desktop files in the past few days.  May I resume creating/fixing .desktop files & drafting patches to packages?07:24
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bddebianpersia: Hmm, uh oh, maybe that was my mistake.  Am I not supposed to be uploading them? :)07:24
persiaI don't know.  I think they should be fixed, but the stated reason to avoid fixing them in Ubuntu was that it increased the load on those coordinating with Debian, and broke automatic sync from sid.07:26
bddebianGreat, I'm probably in trouble again :-)07:27
persiabddebian: Maybe it's a timing question.  I started my mass effort before the freeze, and was only asked to stop after opening >40 bugs in a single day :)07:28
bddebianWell, shit.. :-(07:31
truz24lol07:32
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ajmitch__hey Hobbsee07:38
Hobbseehey ajmitch__07:39
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KyralShower felt good :D07:40
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Kyrallol07:40
Hobbseeoff to fix the phone...07:40
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bddebianpersia: ajmitch__ might know, he knows everything :-)07:41
Hobbseeor not...woot!07:42
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Hobbseephone has to work - dad just called from teh US07:42
persiaajmitch_: Do you know if fixes for .desktop files for Dapper are welcome?07:42
Kyrallol07:42
Kyraltalk about long distance :D07:42
Kyraloh that reminds me07:42
KyralLaserJock: go ahead and upload that patch to EasyChem07:42
KyralI cannot apply it right now for obvious reasons07:43
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LaserJockpersia: they are07:47
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persiaLaserJock: Thanks.  I'll make some more, and upload patches.  If bddebian is allowed out of his hole, he'll probably upload them :)07:48
KyralLJ?07:49
LaserJockyeah07:50
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LaserJockyeah, yeah, yeah ;-)07:50
Kyral'cause yanno, its hard to build debpacks on ArchLinux :P07:51
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KyralI'll start using Kubuntu again when Dapper+1 opens :D07:51
LaserJockKyral: it's called dual booting07:51
Kyralyou should talk....07:52
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LaserJockKyral: heh, I'm versatile.07:53
Kyraland I'm curious....07:53
Kyraland that sounded sketchy07:53
bddebianpersia: No, thank YOU :-)07:53
bddebianOK, it's 2am now with daylight savings.  Gnight folks07:53
LaserJockcya bddebian07:53
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Amaranthcrap, that's tonight08:13
Amaranthat 1am it jumps to 2am, right?08:13
Kyralhuhwha?08:13
Kyralin the US?08:13
ajmitch__probably08:14
Kyralwhat time is it? UTC?08:16
robitailleyes, US is change time tonight08:17
robitailles/change/changing08:17
Kyralsomeone just tell me what time it is Eastern so I can set my clock lol08:18
Kyralalready screwed up my system clocl08:18
robitailleI think it should 2:18am in the east...with the time change already done08:18
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Kyralmeh I'll just let my computer take care of it...08:24
Hobbseehehe08:25
Hobbseejust make sure you turn up to work/whatever at teh right time08:25
Kyralstupid DST08:25
Kyralonly thing tomorrow is Church08:25
KyralI mean my Cell hasn't "turned over" yet08:25
Hobbseeyeah, well it's worth being on time to that...08:25
robitailleI'm sure my kids will wake me up at the "wrong" time anyway tomorrow morning...08:27
Kyralmaybe it takes affect at 2 AM?08:27
ajmitch__Kyral: it usually does08:28
KyralMEH! Why did they even invent DST?!08:28
ajmitch__to confuse people like you08:28
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Kyral....08:28
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Kyralare you calling me a simpleton08:28
ajmitch__Hobbsee: stalkers?08:28
Hobbseeajmitch__: just idiots - doubt they'd stalk08:29
Hobbseebesides, i'm unfindable08:29
ajmitch__heh08:29
Hobbseehehe08:29
Hobbseewell, mostly08:29
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Hobbsee:P08:29
KyralScrew it I'm going to bed08:30
Hobbseewell, when you visit up here, you can have a location, then i'll meet you.08:30
Hobbseenight Kyral...08:30
ajmitch__Hobbsee: most likely the airport, knowing me :)08:30
ajmitch__night Kyral08:30
Hobbseeack...08:30
ajmitch__Hobbsee: it turns out that it'll probably be cheapest for me to fly to melbourne via sydney08:30
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Hobbseeah ok, yep08:30
ajmitch__yeah08:30
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Hobbseetrue08:31
ajmitch__since the train does stop right at the international & domestic terminals, iirc08:31
Hobbseethat is true08:32
ajmitch__though you'll probably get your key signed before then :)08:33
Hobbseepossibly...08:33
StevenKHobbsee: I'll sign your key if you like.08:34
HobbseeStevenK: oh goody, when?08:34
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StevenKHobbsee: Whenever we meet up for lunch or something08:34
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StevenKWhee, Debian has built 91% of the amd64 archive.08:38
ajmitch__not bad08:39
ajmitch__it should be mostly usable now08:39
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StevenKI'm waiting for the magical 95% mark before I build a sid-amd64 chroot.08:40
ajmitch__we just need bddebian to do hurd-amd6408:41
StevenKUgh, hurd08:41
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Lathiatanyone knwo any kernel patches to hdie user processes from each other?09:44
Lathiatno grsec for 2.6.15/16 :(09:44
kelmoi hear sony have done that before09:45
Lathiathaha09:45
Lathiatnahlike, so you can only see your own processes09:45
Lathiatand root can see all09:45
crimsunthe /proc patch originally from openwall?09:46
crimsunSD/openwall09:46
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freeflyinghttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2232 --< looking for review12:58
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Toadstoolhi here01:12
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TomaszDI'm probably the hundreth person to ask, but why isn't, for example, Wine 0.9.11 being UVF-exceptioned? It might do more good than harm to upload a newer version. I know you guys focus on bugfixing now, but still. Are there no UVF exceptions given in this period?02:56
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bmontyTomaszD: it may be that nobody has had time to write up the exception03:23
enycHrrrm.... ? where are UVF-exception requests made/listed ?03:25
bmontyenyc: you create a new bug in malone with info on the new package, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html03:25
Toadstoolenyc: https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+assignedbugs for the list03:26
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enycbmonty: thatnks ;-)03:31
enycToadstool: thanks ;-)03:31
enycevidently the bug I filed whichi generated a reply sayintg they will request a UVF exception.... has not had the UVF requested yet ;-)03:32
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TomaszDbmonty, I see that a mortal like me isn't really able to ask for an UVF exception, given that one needs to attach a "diffstat" and such. What can I do then, I'd really like to see a more up-to-date version of wine in Ubuntu's universe...03:49
bmontyTomaszD: do you know how to create debdiffs?03:49
TomaszDbmonty, if I knew what all this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html means, then I wouldn't even ask about anything and went ahead to produce a correct uvf exception request :)03:50
bmontyTomaszD: does debian have the new version of wine packaged?03:50
TomaszDbmonty, will check.03:51
Toadstoolnope, current debian version is 0.9.10-103:52
TomaszDyeah03:52
TomaszDdamn it03:52
TomaszDI have to go03:52
TomaszDbbl03:52
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bmontylooks like our version of wine is from july03:52
bmontyhey bddebian03:52
bddebianHeya bmonty03:53
bddebianAre lamont's pages stil the place to look at the build logs?03:55
bmontybddebian: its in launchpad now03:56
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bmontyhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu03:57
bddebianI'm already there.  Now what? :-)03:57
bmontytype the name of the source package03:57
bddebianOh View Builds maybe? :-)03:57
bmontythat too03:58
bmontythere are several ways to get to the build logs for a package03:58
bmontyhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/<source package name>03:58
bddebianHmm, I think lamont's pages may actually have been more concise :-)03:59
bmontybddebian: I agree03:59
bddebianYou what would be awesome would be to have it e-mail the uploader back with the results for each arc :-)04:00
bddebianErr arch even04:00
bmontybddebian: you could open a wishlist bug against malone for that...I'd add a +1 for it :)04:03
bmontys/malone/launchpad04:03
bddebian:-)04:04
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bmontyhmm...I think that it would be better to not ask for a UVF for wine and then use backports for new versions04:08
bmontythey release a new version almost every week it seems04:08
bddebianGotta keep up with the Windows bugs ya know :-)04:09
bmonty:)04:10
bddebianHmm look at more bugs or play Morrowind....04:14
spaceyplease don't use 0.9.1004:14
spaceyit has some regressions04:14
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spaceyi'm more happy with 0.9.904:14
spacey:)04:14
=== spacey filing bugs for that is still on my todo
spacey0.9.11 is already out btw04:15
bddebianbmonty: How are you using dolson's patches? (REVU)?04:17
bddebianOr do you grab the .dsc and such and build that way?04:19
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bmontybddebian: I usually grab the dapper packages and apply his patches to them04:22
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bmontya LOT of the patches in malone require you to figure out what they did and apply them manually04:22
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bddebianbmonty: Ah, OK04:23
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bddebianWTF, I upload a bunch of stuff and close bugs and my karma goes down? :'-(04:47
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bddebianHeya Yagisan04:52
bddebianIf these bugs are tagged as In Progress, does that mean someone is actually working on them?04:53
Yagisanbddebian: yes04:53
Yagisanbddebian: I'm having a shit weekend :(04:53
bddebian:-(04:54
freeflyinganyone tell me how to write manpage04:54
bddebianfreeflying: Try help2man first, it makes it much easier :-)04:54
Yagisanbddebian: my dvd burner has now stopped too04:54
bddebianWho is Jonathan Patrick?04:54
bddebianYagisan: d00d :-(04:54
Yagisanfreeflying: I did mine in xml04:54
freeflyingYagisan: I'm cofused which will be the easiest :)04:55
Yagisanfreeflying: you'll need to look up deng on revu though. My system was fubared upgrading to dapper, so I don't have a handy link04:55
Yagisanbddebian: yeah, "only" 150GB more to go04:55
freeflyingYagisan: thx04:55
freeflyingbddebian: thx04:56
bddebianNP04:57
Yagisanbddebian: have a dvd-burner ?04:59
bmontyYagisan: what are you using to burn dvds?05:00
Yagisank3b05:01
bmontywhich is a frontend for growisofs, yes?05:01
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bmontyanyone know what package generates the update applet in the notification area?05:06
Yagisanbmonty: probably. the physical burner itself is buggered though05:07
Yagisanbmonty: syslog is full of errors from it. and not reading anything is a dead give away05:08
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Yagisanhmm. lite-on dvd burners - any good ?05:11
pefYagisan: depends on what you mean by "good" :)05:12
freeflyingI wonder if I must provide manpage for a library package05:13
Yagisanpef: no overheating issues, can read the disks they burn, can read disks burned in other machines, don't fill syslog with errors trying to read pressed cd's and dvds that work in other units fine05:13
pefYagisan: do you care about cdrws burn quality ?05:14
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Yagisanpef: I tend to use rewritables a lot, but to a certain extent yes.05:16
pefYagisan: dvd burners tends to write bad quality cdrws :/05:16
pefYagisan: you should check http://www.cdfreaks.com/, very good tests about burners05:17
Yagisanpef: I have a cdrw drive still. but yes, I noticed that too05:17
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bmontyYagisan: I have a lite-on05:19
Yagisanpef: thanks for link. checking now05:19
bmontyyou can get them real cheap on newegg.com05:19
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Yagisanbmonty: happy with it ?05:19
bmontyYagisan: so far...I've used lite-on burners for years and never had a problem05:20
Yagisanbmonty: I'm in Aus, so I walk to my wholesalers05:20
Yagisanthey are like 4km away. easy walk05:20
bmontyYagisan: should be even cheaper for you then...less distance to ship it05:20
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Yagisanbmonty: I wish that were true, but its not. after conversion it's about the same price05:20
bmontyyou can get a lite-on DVD burner for <$40 US05:21
bmontywith shipping05:21
Yagisanbmonty: less quantity here. 20M in AUs, and that's what NYC ?05:21
bmontyheh, yeah maybe05:22
Yagisanbmonty: I can get a lite-on for about $58 AU.05:23
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bmontythe only issue I have had is that dvdrecord refuses to work with the drive....growisofs works just fine though05:23
bmontyYagisan: any idea what the conversion is?05:23
Yagisanbmonty: about $43-44 US05:26
bmontyYagisan: like you said...the same price05:26
Yagisanbmonty: only place I found cheaper was Tokyo, but I need a burner now, so I'm not going to wait for shipping05:27
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paddyhi05:50
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alonhello world\06:12
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bddebianHmm, I haven't gotten an accept or reject message for xfonts-marumoji06:39
ograbddebian, NEW ?06:40
bddebianogra: No06:40
bddebianMalone #3421706:40
UbugtuMalone bug 34217 in firestarter "Initscript does not use lsb-base functions" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3421706:40
bddebianWhoops wrong one06:40
ogra:)06:41
bddebianShit, now I can't find the bug #06:42
ograno need for that :) wont solve LP issues if there are any ;)06:43
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wasabiIf anybody is curious: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GAptI   Just trying to generate interest/comments/etc.08:06
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nictukuinteresting08:10
nictukuwill it install dependencies too?08:11
ograhow does that differ from gdebi ?08:11
wasabiogra: jump to ThirdPartyApt08:15
ograjust read it, sorry for the unqualified question :)08:15
wasabinp.08:16
wasabiJust put a big === Security === section to head off the obvious.08:18
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nictukuwill dapper version still be 6.04?08:21
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truz24no, 6.608:26
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truz24or maybe 6.0608:26
wasabiogra: any furthur thoughts? :)08:27
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