[12:31] <Pupeno-> Hello.
[12:31] <crimsun> hi.
[12:35] <Pupeno-> Does anybody know what might be causing this error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/18522 ?
[12:37] <Pupeno-> I am currently uploading the package for all to see, but it'll take a while on my dialup.
[12:38] <crimsun> is emacs21 installed?
[12:38] <bddebian> The emacs lisp crap isn't installed?
[12:38] <crimsun> i.e., why dpkg -i ?
[12:39] <crimsun> is erlang-base installed?
[12:39] <Pupeno-> crimsun: emacs21 is installed.
[12:40] <Pupeno-> bddebian: the package didn't have a problem untill I upgraded so I supouse the emacs lisp *crap* is installed.
[12:40] <Pupeno-> crimsun: how else should I install a .deb ?
[12:40] <Pupeno-> crimsun: erlang-base is installed.
[12:40] <Pupeno-> Note: this is a package I am building (actually, upgrading).
[12:40] <crimsun> Pupeno-: I presume erlang is already installed, then.
[12:41] <crimsun> i.e., what are the differences in the postinsts?
[12:42] <Pupeno-> crimsun: I am installing erlang. Erlang is the package I am making.
[12:42] <Pupeno-> crimsun: none, I kept the debian directory as is. I only got rid of most of the patches to the rest of the tree (most were patched upstream).
[12:44] <crimsun> Pupeno-: dpkg -l erlang|grep ^ii
[12:44] <Pupeno-> $ dpkg -l erlang|grep ^ii
[12:44] <Pupeno-> ii  erlang         10.b.10        A real-time, concurrent and distributed functional language
[12:45] <crimsun> it installed just fine. You just need to check the emacs policy to make sure the site-locals are correct.
[12:45] <crimsun> (I'm not familiar w/ emacs policy)
[12:46] <Pupeno-> crimsun: I know it finishes installing, but emacs complaints, the original version didn't have that problem.
[12:46] <Pupeno-> ok.
[12:47] <crimsun> Pupeno-: then you should ask in an emacs-related channel; this one's not really appropriate.
[12:47] <crimsun> I don't know offhand who our emacs gurus are, so I can't point you to them readily
[12:48] <Pupeno-> but I'll try anyway.
[12:49] <bddebian> It certainly isn't me, I'm a nano fan.. :-)
[01:08] <crimsun> mm buildd screwage.
[01:08] <crimsun> http://librarian.launchpad.net/1834920/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.linuxdcpp_0.0.1.cvs20060116-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:12] <bddebian> Nice
[01:12] <bddebian> better tell infinity :-)
[01:13] <crimsun> even worse, I spent 1 hour futzing with migrating pbuilder only to discover pmount's flags prevented that (nothing sudo mount -o remount,.. doesn't fix), and then I discover that linuxdcpp builds just fine. Blarg.
[01:13] <bddebian> Doh
[01:21] <enyc> urrm
[01:22] <enyc> ?where is the UVF-exception precess described/detailed ?
[01:24] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[02:43] <bddebian> crimsun: You there?
[02:45] <bddebian> Someone help, I need a dpatch refresher :-)
[02:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: you're on a roll dude
[02:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you need?
[02:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: I got it, never mind.  I couldn't remember dpatch-edit-patch for some reason?? :-(  Thanks though~
[02:53] <bddebian> !
[02:55] <LaserJock> ah, yes, fun-n-games with dpatch ;-)
[03:17] <Toadstool> 'night here
[03:40] <bddebian> Ack what do I do with this piece of crap that doesn't have a dirs file?
[03:41] <LaserJock> something like install -d perhaps
[03:42] <bddebian> I was thinking that
[03:42] <bddebian> It creates the debian/usr/share/applications but doesn't install it.. :-(
[03:43] <LaserJock> you did install -d on the directory or file?
[03:45] <bddebian> Neither it was a patch on Malone.  He just added dh_install... and dh_desktop
[03:53] <bmonty> hi LaserJock, bddebian
[03:53] <LaserJock> hi bmonty!
[03:55] <bmonty> bddebian: are you working on packages again?
[03:55] <bmonty> LaserJock: how are things going?
[03:56] <LaserJock> bmonty: oh, very busy. Got tons of stuff to do. And you?
[03:56] <bmonty> very busy as well....seems like every day this week, by the time I get home I only feel like going to sleep :(
[03:59] <LaserJock> yep
[04:08] <bddebian> bmonty: Moi?  No never :-)
[04:33] <bmonty> hmm..I hope bluefoxicity comes back...I've got openldap+kerberos running on my network and I am thinking about writing a spec for dapper+1
[04:43] <dolson> bddebian: I am here now...
[04:46] <dolson> slomo__: ah yes, that was my doing. :D
[05:04] <crimsun> bddebian: pong
[05:04] <crimsun> bddebian: unpong
[05:08] <bddebian> Ugh?
[05:08] <bddebian> Oh
[05:16] <bddebian> Jesus, maelstroms rules file is a freakin' mess
[05:55] <rami> \q
[05:59] <dolson> bddebian: hey.. I was using diff. I never heard of debbdiff before
[06:02] <bddebian> dolson: Well it appears that you are diffing against an empty directory or something.  Everything looks like it's coming in as a new file.
[06:02] <bddebian> dolson: Check out debdiff.  After you build a package you can just debdiff the resulting .dsc or .deb against the original
[06:03] <dolson> that's weird... I made patches before that next had that problem
[06:04] <LaserJock> hi seth
[06:04] <bddebian> dolson: What do you use with diff?  -Nurp?
[06:04] <dolson> yeah
[06:04] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:04] <LaserJock> hmm, I usually use -Naur or -ruN (that one is easy to remember)
[06:06] <dolson> -purN is like porn, but with a u
[06:08] <LaserJock> hmm, ok I didn't really want that picture ("check out the diff pr0n")  ;-)
[06:08] <dolson> put that in your doc
[06:09] <bddebian> heh
[06:46] <truz24> LaserJock, So I got dapper installed by installing breezy and then upgrading to dapper... but now it says xorg won't start because xorg isn't setup correctly, is it because my video card is too new ( ati x700 )
[06:46] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[06:47] <LaserJock> did it work with breezy?
[06:47] <truz24> no
[06:48] <truz24> I was hoping it would be fixed in dapper :-)
[06:48] <hub> truz24: what if you force to ati driver?
[06:49] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=x700&fullsearch=Text might be promising
[06:49] <hub> truz24: the problem with video cards is that it is not simple
[06:51] <truz24> lspci |grep ati shows "ati tech ... Unknown device "
[06:51] <hub> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards?highlight=%28x700%29
[06:51] <hub> but you are out of luck
[06:51] <hub> kick ATI for that
[06:52] <truz24> how do i force it to use "ati"
[06:54] <hub> you need to edit the xorg.conf file
[06:55] <truz24> isn't there a dpkg-reconfigure way to do it ?
[06:55] <hub> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:55] <truz24> its been a looong time since i've had to configure x manually
[06:55] <hub> end https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:55] <truz24> yeah, i saw the redirect too
[06:57] <truz24> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -- thats what i was thinking of :-)
[07:02] <truz24> hub, thanks, i am up and going in xorg now :-)
[07:03] <truz24> I just used the fglrx driver
[07:24] <persia> About .desktop bugs: some time ago I filed a bunch, and was uploading patches, but was asked to stop.  I've seen quite a few uploads with the new .desktop files in the past few days.  May I resume creating/fixing .desktop files & drafting patches to packages?
[07:24] <bddebian> persia: Hmm, uh oh, maybe that was my mistake.  Am I not supposed to be uploading them? :)
[07:26] <persia> I don't know.  I think they should be fixed, but the stated reason to avoid fixing them in Ubuntu was that it increased the load on those coordinating with Debian, and broke automatic sync from sid.
[07:27] <bddebian> Great, I'm probably in trouble again :-)
[07:28] <persia> bddebian: Maybe it's a timing question.  I started my mass effort before the freeze, and was only asked to stop after opening >40 bugs in a single day :)
[07:31] <bddebian> Well, shit.. :-(
[07:32] <truz24> lol
[07:38] <ajmitch__> hey Hobbsee
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch__
[07:40] <Kyral> Shower felt good :D
[07:40] <Kyral> lol
[07:40] <Hobbsee> off to fix the phone...
[07:41] <bddebian> persia: ajmitch__ might know, he knows everything :-)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> or not...woot!
[07:42] <Hobbsee> phone has to work - dad just called from teh US
[07:42] <persia> ajmitch_: Do you know if fixes for .desktop files for Dapper are welcome?
[07:42] <Kyral> lol
[07:42] <Kyral> talk about long distance :D
[07:42] <Kyral> oh that reminds me
[07:42] <Kyral> LaserJock: go ahead and upload that patch to EasyChem
[07:43] <Kyral> I cannot apply it right now for obvious reasons
[07:47] <LaserJock> persia: they are
[07:48] <persia> LaserJock: Thanks.  I'll make some more, and upload patches.  If bddebian is allowed out of his hole, he'll probably upload them :)
[07:49] <Kyral> LJ?
[07:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:50] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah, yeah ;-)
[07:51] <Kyral> 'cause yanno, its hard to build debpacks on ArchLinux :P
[07:51] <Kyral> I'll start using Kubuntu again when Dapper+1 opens :D
[07:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: it's called dual booting
[07:52] <Kyral> you should talk....
[07:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: heh, I'm versatile.
[07:53] <Kyral> and I'm curious....
[07:53] <Kyral> and that sounded sketchy
[07:53] <bddebian> persia: No, thank YOU :-)
[07:53] <bddebian> OK, it's 2am now with daylight savings.  Gnight folks
[07:53] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[08:13] <Amaranth> crap, that's tonight
[08:13] <Amaranth> at 1am it jumps to 2am, right?
[08:13] <Kyral> huhwha?
[08:13] <Kyral> in the US?
[08:14] <ajmitch__> probably
[08:16] <Kyral> what time is it? UTC?
[08:17] <robitaille> yes, US is change time tonight
[08:17] <robitaille> s/change/changing
[08:18] <Kyral> someone just tell me what time it is Eastern so I can set my clock lol
[08:18] <Kyral> already screwed up my system clocl
[08:18] <robitaille> I think it should 2:18am in the east...with the time change already done
[08:24] <Kyral> meh I'll just let my computer take care of it...
[08:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:25] <Hobbsee> just make sure you turn up to work/whatever at teh right time
[08:25] <Kyral> stupid DST
[08:25] <Kyral> only thing tomorrow is Church
[08:25] <Kyral> I mean my Cell hasn't "turned over" yet
[08:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, well it's worth being on time to that...
[08:27] <robitaille> I'm sure my kids will wake me up at the "wrong" time anyway tomorrow morning...
[08:27] <Kyral> maybe it takes affect at 2 AM?
[08:28] <ajmitch__> Kyral: it usually does
[08:28] <Kyral> MEH! Why did they even invent DST?!
[08:28] <ajmitch__> to confuse people like you
[08:28] <Kyral> ....
[08:28] <Kyral> are you calling me a simpleton
[08:28] <ajmitch__> Hobbsee: stalkers?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch__: just idiots - doubt they'd stalk
[08:29] <Hobbsee> besides, i'm unfindable
[08:29] <ajmitch__> heh
[08:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:29] <Hobbsee> well, mostly
[08:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:30] <Kyral> Screw it I'm going to bed
[08:30] <Hobbsee> well, when you visit up here, you can have a location, then i'll meet you.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> night Kyral...
[08:30] <ajmitch__> Hobbsee: most likely the airport, knowing me :)
[08:30] <ajmitch__> night Kyral
[08:30] <Hobbsee> ack...
[08:30] <ajmitch__> Hobbsee: it turns out that it'll probably be cheapest for me to fly to melbourne via sydney
[08:30] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[08:30] <ajmitch__> yeah
[08:31] <Hobbsee> true
[08:31] <ajmitch__> since the train does stop right at the international & domestic terminals, iirc
[08:32] <Hobbsee> that is true
[08:33] <ajmitch__> though you'll probably get your key signed before then :)
[08:33] <Hobbsee> possibly...
[08:34] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I'll sign your key if you like.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> StevenK: oh goody, when?
[08:34] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Whenever we meet up for lunch or something
[08:38] <StevenK> Whee, Debian has built 91% of the amd64 archive.
[08:39] <ajmitch__> not bad
[08:39] <ajmitch__> it should be mostly usable now
[08:40] <StevenK> I'm waiting for the magical 95% mark before I build a sid-amd64 chroot.
[08:41] <ajmitch__> we just need bddebian to do hurd-amd64
[08:41] <StevenK> Ugh, hurd
[09:44] <Lathiat> anyone knwo any kernel patches to hdie user processes from each other?
[09:44] <Lathiat> no grsec for 2.6.15/16 :(
[09:45] <kelmo> i hear sony have done that before
[09:45] <Lathiat> haha
[09:45] <Lathiat> nahlike, so you can only see your own processes
[09:45] <Lathiat> and root can see all
[09:46] <crimsun> the /proc patch originally from openwall?
[09:46] <crimsun> SD/openwall
[12:58] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2232 --< looking for review
[01:12] <Toadstool> hi here
[02:56] <TomaszD> I'm probably the hundreth person to ask, but why isn't, for example, Wine 0.9.11 being UVF-exceptioned? It might do more good than harm to upload a newer version. I know you guys focus on bugfixing now, but still. Are there no UVF exceptions given in this period?
[03:23] <bmonty> TomaszD: it may be that nobody has had time to write up the exception
[03:25] <enyc> Hrrrm.... ? where are UVF-exception requests made/listed ?
[03:25] <bmonty> enyc: you create a new bug in malone with info on the new package, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[03:26] <Toadstool> enyc: https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+assignedbugs for the list
[03:31] <enyc> bmonty: thatnks ;-)
[03:31] <enyc> Toadstool: thanks ;-)
[03:32] <enyc> evidently the bug I filed whichi generated a reply sayintg they will request a UVF exception.... has not had the UVF requested yet ;-)
[03:49] <TomaszD> bmonty, I see that a mortal like me isn't really able to ask for an UVF exception, given that one needs to attach a "diffstat" and such. What can I do then, I'd really like to see a more up-to-date version of wine in Ubuntu's universe...
[03:49] <bmonty> TomaszD: do you know how to create debdiffs?
[03:50] <TomaszD> bmonty, if I knew what all this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html means, then I wouldn't even ask about anything and went ahead to produce a correct uvf exception request :)
[03:50] <bmonty> TomaszD: does debian have the new version of wine packaged?
[03:51] <TomaszD> bmonty, will check.
[03:52] <Toadstool> nope, current debian version is 0.9.10-1
[03:52] <TomaszD> yeah
[03:52] <TomaszD> damn it
[03:52] <TomaszD> I have to go
[03:52] <TomaszD> bbl
[03:52] <bmonty> looks like our version of wine is from july
[03:52] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:55] <bddebian> Are lamont's pages stil the place to look at the build logs?
[03:56] <bmonty> bddebian: its in launchpad now
[03:57] <bmonty> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[03:57] <bddebian> I'm already there.  Now what? :-)
[03:57] <bmonty> type the name of the source package
[03:57] <bddebian> Oh View Builds maybe? :-)
[03:58] <bmonty> that too
[03:58] <bmonty> there are several ways to get to the build logs for a package
[03:58] <bmonty> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/<source package name>
[03:59] <bddebian> Hmm, I think lamont's pages may actually have been more concise :-)
[03:59] <bmonty> bddebian: I agree
[04:00] <bddebian> You what would be awesome would be to have it e-mail the uploader back with the results for each arc :-)
[04:00] <bddebian> Err arch even
[04:03] <bmonty> bddebian: you could open a wishlist bug against malone for that...I'd add a +1 for it :)
[04:03] <bmonty> s/malone/launchpad
[04:04] <bddebian> :-)
[04:08] <bmonty> hmm...I think that it would be better to not ask for a UVF for wine and then use backports for new versions
[04:08] <bmonty> they release a new version almost every week it seems
[04:09] <bddebian> Gotta keep up with the Windows bugs ya know :-)
[04:10] <bmonty> :)
[04:14] <bddebian> Hmm look at more bugs or play Morrowind....
[04:14] <spacey> please don't use 0.9.10
[04:14] <spacey> it has some regressions
[04:14] <spacey> i'm more happy with 0.9.9
[04:14] <spacey> :)
[04:15] <spacey> 0.9.11 is already out btw
[04:17] <bddebian> bmonty: How are you using dolson's patches? (REVU)?
[04:19] <bddebian> Or do you grab the .dsc and such and build that way?
[04:22] <bmonty> bddebian: I usually grab the dapper packages and apply his patches to them
[04:22] <bmonty> a LOT of the patches in malone require you to figure out what they did and apply them manually
[04:23] <bddebian> bmonty: Ah, OK
[04:47] <bddebian> WTF, I upload a bunch of stuff and close bugs and my karma goes down? :'-(
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[04:53] <bddebian> If these bugs are tagged as In Progress, does that mean someone is actually working on them?
[04:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: yes
[04:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm having a shit weekend :(
[04:54] <bddebian> :-(
[04:54] <freeflying> anyone tell me how to write manpage
[04:54] <bddebian> freeflying: Try help2man first, it makes it much easier :-)
[04:54] <Yagisan> bddebian: my dvd burner has now stopped too
[04:54] <bddebian> Who is Jonathan Patrick?
[04:54] <bddebian> Yagisan: d00d :-(
[04:54] <Yagisan> freeflying: I did mine in xml
[04:55] <freeflying> Yagisan: I'm cofused which will be the easiest :)
[04:55] <Yagisan> freeflying: you'll need to look up deng on revu though. My system was fubared upgrading to dapper, so I don't have a handy link
[04:55] <Yagisan> bddebian: yeah, "only" 150GB more to go
[04:55] <freeflying> Yagisan: thx
[04:56] <freeflying> bddebian: thx
[04:57] <bddebian> NP
[04:59] <Yagisan> bddebian: have a dvd-burner ?
[05:00] <bmonty> Yagisan: what are you using to burn dvds?
[05:01] <Yagisan> k3b
[05:01] <bmonty> which is a frontend for growisofs, yes?
[05:06] <bmonty> anyone know what package generates the update applet in the notification area?
[05:07] <Yagisan> bmonty: probably. the physical burner itself is buggered though
[05:08] <Yagisan> bmonty: syslog is full of errors from it. and not reading anything is a dead give away
[05:11] <Yagisan> hmm. lite-on dvd burners - any good ?
[05:12] <pef> Yagisan: depends on what you mean by "good" :)
[05:13] <freeflying> I wonder if I must provide manpage for a library package
[05:13] <Yagisan> pef: no overheating issues, can read the disks they burn, can read disks burned in other machines, don't fill syslog with errors trying to read pressed cd's and dvds that work in other units fine
[05:14] <pef> Yagisan: do you care about cdrws burn quality ?
[05:16] <Yagisan> pef: I tend to use rewritables a lot, but to a certain extent yes.
[05:16] <pef> Yagisan: dvd burners tends to write bad quality cdrws :/
[05:17] <pef> Yagisan: you should check http://www.cdfreaks.com/, very good tests about burners
[05:17] <Yagisan> pef: I have a cdrw drive still. but yes, I noticed that too
[05:19] <bmonty> Yagisan: I have a lite-on
[05:19] <Yagisan> pef: thanks for link. checking now
[05:19] <bmonty> you can get them real cheap on newegg.com
[05:19] <Yagisan> bmonty: happy with it ?
[05:20] <bmonty> Yagisan: so far...I've used lite-on burners for years and never had a problem
[05:20] <Yagisan> bmonty: I'm in Aus, so I walk to my wholesalers
[05:20] <Yagisan> they are like 4km away. easy walk
[05:20] <bmonty> Yagisan: should be even cheaper for you then...less distance to ship it
[05:20] <Yagisan> bmonty: I wish that were true, but its not. after conversion it's about the same price
[05:21] <bmonty> you can get a lite-on DVD burner for <$40 US
[05:21] <bmonty> with shipping
[05:21] <Yagisan> bmonty: less quantity here. 20M in AUs, and that's what NYC ?
[05:22] <bmonty> heh, yeah maybe
[05:23] <Yagisan> bmonty: I can get a lite-on for about $58 AU.
[05:23] <bmonty> the only issue I have had is that dvdrecord refuses to work with the drive....growisofs works just fine though
[05:23] <bmonty> Yagisan: any idea what the conversion is?
[05:26] <Yagisan> bmonty: about $43-44 US
[05:26] <bmonty> Yagisan: like you said...the same price
[05:27] <Yagisan> bmonty: only place I found cheaper was Tokyo, but I need a burner now, so I'm not going to wait for shipping
[05:50] <paddy> hi
[06:12] <alon> hello world\
[06:39] <bddebian> Hmm, I haven't gotten an accept or reject message for xfonts-marumoji
[06:40] <ogra> bddebian, NEW ?
[06:40] <bddebian> ogra: No
[06:40] <bddebian> Malone #34217
[06:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34217 in firestarter "Initscript does not use lsb-base functions" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34217
[06:40] <bddebian> Whoops wrong one
[06:41] <ogra> :)
[06:42] <bddebian> Shit, now I can't find the bug #
[06:43] <ogra> no need for that :) wont solve LP issues if there are any ;)
[08:06] <wasabi> If anybody is curious: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GAptI   Just trying to generate interest/comments/etc.
[08:10] <nictuku> interesting
[08:11] <nictuku> will it install dependencies too?
[08:11] <ogra> how does that differ from gdebi ?
[08:15] <wasabi> ogra: jump to ThirdPartyApt
[08:15] <ogra> just read it, sorry for the unqualified question :)
[08:16] <wasabi> np.
[08:18] <wasabi> Just put a big [08:21] <nictuku> will dapper version still be 6.04?
[08:26] <truz24> no, 6.6
[08:26] <truz24> or maybe 6.06
[08:27] <wasabi> ogra: any furthur thoughts? :)
[10:27] <lifeless> moin moin
[10:40] <phanatic> hi people